Not a helpful answer, I know, but I haven't found good ones in Austin,
sorry.
Cheers,
Dusty
Chicago and New York, I'd expect...
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> wasn't Decent a town in Poland ?!?
>
> Chicago and New York, I'd expect...
>
... and Detroit, but I had in mind something a bit closer.
have you tried calling Phoenicia? or that Russian place on 2222 just
west of Mopac, whats-it-called-again ?!?
...or Fiesta??? yeah, I think it was there I saw it a couple of years
ago. if 'decent' I really wouldn't know...
well, I had Polish refugee friends here in Austin 30 years ago
but lost track of them after we all moved...
and a Russian friend (from Leningrad, not very far) recently left
the country also...
so I did the next best thing: I googled!
(the recipe at the end doesn't sound difficult at all)
<http://www.google.com/search?q=pierogi&btnG=Google+Search>
Pierogi
Mareva's Gourmet Food delivers homemade, european, gourmet pierogi to your door.
Some recent comments... "Thanks so much. ... Invite a friend to Pierogi.com! ...
Description: Selection of Polish pierogis with credit and mail order delivery options.
Category: Shopping > Food > Ethnic and Regional > European > Polish
www.pierogi.com/
What are Pierogi?
... You will continue to hear from me. Thank you!". DA Brookfield, CT.
Invite a friend to Pierogi.com!
What exactly is a Pierogi and where did it come from? ...
www.pierogi.com/what.cfm
Welcome to Millie's Pierogi On Line!
The home of the best handmade, fully cooked pierogi, made fresh and shipped
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Description: Handmade pierogis that are prepared fresh for online ordering
and shipping. Has complete line of products...
Category: Shopping > Food > Ethnic and Regional > European > Polish
www.milliespierogi.com/
The Pierogis Place
Our Story Begins Where you can find us The Great Taste
of Pierogis Cooking Instructions Order Form.
Description: Handmade, using only cabbage, potatoes, onions and cheese,
no additives or preservatives. Order by...
Category: Shopping > Food > Ethnic and Regional > European > Polish
www.thepierogiplace.com/
Pierogi Palace
Pierogi Palace, where the pierogi are not your typical commercial food item.
We've added gourmet fillings to our pierogi for the contemporary palate. ...
www.pastelrecordmusic.com/pierogi/
Whiting Indiana - Pierogi Festival
... Pierogi Festival - July 25-27. ... Big time favorites are "Pierogi" our
festival anthem, sung to the tune of "Matilda" and the charming "Whiting,
Indiana" song. ...
www.whitingindiana.com/pierogi.html
Ravioli
...Page Contents: Ravioli Forms Ravioli Cutters Ravioli Rolling Pin Pierogi
Maker Pocket Pastry Maker Set of 4 Sizes. Related Pages: ...
fantes.com/ravioli_makers.htm
Pierogi
Makes 10 to 12 servings. ... 3, Bring a large pot of water to a boil.
Immerse pierogi. Cook until the dumplings float to the surface. ...
pasta.allrecipes.com/AZ/PierogiII.asp
"A delicious filled dumpling made from fresh pasta. These take time, but are
so worth it! Fill with Sauerkraut Filling or Potato and Cheese Filling.
To freeze, place uncooked pierogies in melted butter. Cool, and place in
freezer bags. The butter will keep them from sticking. "
Ingredients:
8 cups all-purpose flour
4 eggs
1 (8 ounce) container sour cream
1/2 teaspoon salt
warm water
1 recipe Sauerkraut Filling OR
1 recipe Potato Cheese Filling
Directions
+ In a large bowl, beat together eggs, carton sour cream, and salt.
Stir in flour and warm water. Add water until dough feels like velvet.
Turn out onto a lightly floured board, and knead until smooth.
Roll out to a 1/8 to 1/4 inch thickness. Cut out 3 1/2 inch circles
with either the top of a glass or a biscuit cutter.
Cover with waxed paper to prevent drying out if not filling immediately.
2 Place 1 or 2 tablespoons filling on one side of a circle of dough.
Fold over, and seal by pressing the edges with a fork.
Repeat until ingredients are used.
3 Bring a large pot of water to a boil.
Immerse pierogi. Cook until the dumplings float to the surface.
Prep Time: 45 Minutes
Cook Time: 15 Minutes
Ready in: 1 Hour
Detroit? Hamtrammack, maybe.
Cheers,
Dusty
Best ones I have had since my fathers mother passed on.
Don't much care for their cabbage pierogies, however. My
folks live near Traverse City, and these are very available
in the area.
Bruce
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I said Detroit because most people down here probably don't know where
Hamtramck is.
heh! you do know how to bait them...
(I wonder what I'm going to catch with "Whiting"... ;-)
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didn't keep you from saying "Chicago" rather then Whiting...
<http://www.whitingindiana.com/pierogi.html>
<http://www.whitingindiana.com/map.html>
it's called Sasha's and I had pierogi (or rather the Russian
equivalent) for lunch there today...
...and herring in sour cream as appetizer
...and Russian chocolates for desert
...and I bought a bunch of stuff in jars and cans...
I had *FUN* !!!
p.s.: tell Sasha Werner sent you...
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I'll definitely second the recommendation of Sasha's. Had their dill
chicken crepe/blintzes with sour cream, and it was decidedly delicious.
Definitely not the way to fill yourself up fast and cheap, but it's a great
little place. And what's up with those miniature dried sweet bagels?
Chris Devidal
Actually, she's right. A lot of people - maybe even most - in Hamtramck
don't speak English. It is also, AFAIK, the only city in the US completely
enclosed by another city.
Great place to find absinth, too. And I don't mean that crappy homebrew Goth
fake stuff.
Cheers,
Dusty
Hard to tell with great precision, but looking at a political map, those
appear to be on Houston's - or each other's - periphery and not completely
enclosed by the city limits. I don't see any incorporated areas completely
surrounded by the city, though, as I said, it's hard to tell with precision.
Hamtramck, OTOH, is dead center in the middle of the city of Detroit and
completely surrounded by the city of Detroit.
Cheers,
Dusty
Well, there is always the combination of Highland Park and University
Park in Dallas. They are separate cities (from each other and
Dallas), and both of them are entirely surrounded by Dallas,
although they border each other.
From what I read at http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/
(search for "highland park" and/or "university park"), the story
goes something like this:
In the late 1800's, some developers decided to build a development
north of Dallas, which later became known as Highland Park. It
remained unincorporated for a while and was a small suburban
residential community. Similarly, University Park was a small
community formed around Southern Methodist University. In
the early 1900's, both tried to convince Dallas to annex them
(and University Park tried to convince Highland Park to annex
it as well), but Dallas wasn't interested. (In the case of
University Park, this was because a big investment in
infrastructure would have been required. They had been relying
on SMU for water and sewer services, and SMU was no longer
interested in providing these for a growing city.) Since neither
city could get annexed, each city incorporated on its own.
A few years later, Dallas changed its mind and decided it would
rather annex both of them. There was a vote or two, and
neither was annexed. Dallas, in an effort to prevent University
Park from expanding, used its powers to annex all the surrounding
land as its own. (Perhaps they were hoping this would convince
them to change their minds. We are Dallas; resistance is
futile; you will be assimilated...)
Both Highland Park and University Park have remained independent,
with their own school systems. Together, they are known as Park
Cities, and now they share a water system that is their own.
They also are both home to some of the richest people in the
Dallas area (esp. Highland Park), and Dallas as far as I know
gets none of the property tax money from this tax base.
- Logan
Which would mean neither one is completely surrounded by another city.
Cheers,
Dusty
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>>Well, there is always the combination of Highland Park and University
>>Park in Dallas. They are separate cities (from each other and
>>Dallas), and both of them are entirely surrounded by Dallas,
>>although they border each other.
> Which would mean neither one is completely surrounded by another city.
Well, see, that's where it gets into terminology. "City A is
completely surrounded by City B" could mean either:
1. If you pick a point in City A and then travel in absolutely
any direction from there, then you'll eventually pass through
City B,
or
2. If you pick a point in City A and then travel in absolutely
any direction from there, then you'll eventually pass through
City B with passing through any other city (beside A or B)
first.
Maybe the city which you referred to earlier is claiming they're
the only one that meets definition #2. But, I think either could
be considered a reasonable defintion.
- Logan
Or, it could simply mean city A is completely surrounded by city B, as is
the case with Hamtramck (A) and Detroit (B), which is what I said to begin
with.
Cheers,
Dusty
The only way I can read this is as a rhetorical device which
is meant to get across the idea that you don't believe that
your statement was ambiguous or don't see why it's ambiguous.
But, I think it was ambiguous. If I were one of the 8,900 people
living in 2.2 square mile Highland Park or one of the 23,000 people
living in 3.7 square mile University Park, both of which lie near
the center of Dallas (which has 384.7 square miles of land and
1,211,000 people), I would feel like I was "surrounded" and
"enclosed" by the City of Dallas.
Hamtramck may be the only city in the US that is bordered on
all sides by another city, but you said "completely enclosed",
which I claim could mean other things. It's fine if you meant
"bordered on all sides", but don't expect others to always
interpret ambiguous statements the way you meant them or
the way you interpret them.
- Logan
From what I can tell, they're a ubiquitous snack food in former
Soviet countries. They were all over when we were in Kazakhstan
last year (and are rather yummy and don't crumble).
Debbie