Matt's El Rancho
Wooly
for dinner.
Spouse had the #1 combo, which looked like pretty standard fare. He did
specify "no vinagrette" (sp) on the crispy taco, so that must be
peculiar to Matt's. Adequate portion sizes.
Spawn had the kid nacho plate, with a side of chili. Looked pretty
small, spawn ate it all, licked the plate, used a corn tortilla to soak
up the last chili int he bottom of the bowl. When we got home he
scarfed down a banana and a couple of cheese sticks for dessert so I
think my estimate of the portion size as "small" is probably not inaccurate.
I had the salmon caeser salad. The dressing was nice - limey with a bit
of bite, very subtle, and not glooped on so heavily that it drowned the
entire plate. The salmon fillet was well prepared, juicy and flavorful
with a nice pan crust on the outside. No bones in the fish and the
greens were crisp and cold. Plenty of freshly-grated parmesan, too.
We got out for less than $40 with one margarita, one iced tea and one
soda in addition to the entrees.
Service was adequate. Mostly the bus staff kept our glasses full, the
waiter only came around to take orders and drop food and he only checked
once to ask if we needed anything. Maybe that's SOP for Matt's?
My only real gripe is the noise level. We arrived late, around 2015.
We waited 30 minutes for a table and then were stuck in the "party room"
at a back corner table that was nearly impossible to reach. I could
barely hear myself think, there was no hope of carrying on a
conversation at our table because the noise level from the parties of
12, 15, 25, 40 was absolutely overwhelming. I would have taken earplugs...
I'll give the food a 7.5, the service a 6, and the "atmosphere" a zero.
aus...@gmail.com
> > I had the salmon caeser salad.
I think you have finally revealed the secret of ordering a decent meal
from Matt's El Rauncho. Stay away from the Mexican food.
Wooly
*shrug* Never having been to Matt's prior to Friday night I have no
response to that.
Chris
I think it's just seen as cool to diss Matt's and other Austin
Institutions, like Hut's. Matt's serves good simple tex mex. I like
it, yellow cheese and all.
Wooly
>
> I think it's just seen as cool to diss Matt's and other Austin
> Institutions, like Hut's. Matt's serves good simple tex mex. I like
> it, yellow cheese and all.
>
>
Dissing Hut's is cool? I never knew that!
Hell, we always get good service there, the burgers are cooked to order
(mine still moos when it hits the table, noplace else in town trusts
their ground beef that much).
I do think they could use a restroom upgrade, but considering where they
are and the space constraints I just hold it and hit the john at Whole
Paycheck when we stroll up there to window shop.
aus...@gmail.com
>
> I think it's just seen as cool to diss Matt's and other Austin
> Institutions, like Hut's. Matt's serves good simple tex mex. I like
> it, yellow cheese and all.
Not true. I love Thundercloud, Magnolia, Schlotzky's, Threadgill''s,
and many other 'institutions'. But longevity alone does not make for
a decent meal. Living proof of that can be found at Matt's El Rauncho
and others.
If your mouth is set for Tex-Mex, why not at least go to a place that
uses fresh ingredients? Even Taco Cabana is better than Matt's.
Wooly
> But they're not flame grilled. Which mean they can't score in the
> top 66% of hamburgers served in Austin.
So name me a place north of the river that does "flame grill" their
burgers and trusts the ground beef such that they'll serve it
rare-nearly-moving? I've been looking for more than 10 years and I have
yet to find one...
Wooly
> If your mouth is set for Tex-Mex, why not at least go to a place that
> uses fresh ingredients? Even Taco Cabana is better than Matt's.
>
>
Taco Cabana gives me the trots. To appease my husband I eat there about
twice a year, same result every time.
Chris
Houston's. Best burger in town.
rosso.dim...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:45:07 -0000, ausj...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Even Taco Cabana is better than Matt's.
>
> but I'm usually glad I did.
>
> -sw
That they have a tortilla machine is a big plus--especially for
breakfast. I know their are places that have hand made tortillas but
fresh tortillas from a tortilla maker always beats supermarket type
tortillas.
Logan Shaw
> Chris wrote:
>> I think it's just seen as cool to diss Matt's and other Austin
>> Institutions, like Hut's. Matt's serves good simple tex mex. I like
>> it, yellow cheese and all.
> Dissing Hut's is cool? I never knew that!
If only it were cool to diss Frank and Angie's. It's owned by the same
people, so why can't I be allowed to hate it as much as so many people
hate Hut's? They're owned by the same people and share a parking lot,
fer cryin' out loud, yet it's OK to hate Hut's and love F&A's, but it's
not OK to like Hut's and be thoroughly and consistently underwhelmed by
F&A's.
- Logan
Mr Clean
F&A's is still open!? I went there once gosh, 10 years ago? I've
never been back. It just didn't do anything for me. And I love
pizza. I'd eat it every meal if I thought I wouldn't turn into a
big tubba goo.
d
motorblade
Thats the same realm i put freebirds in.....standard beans ,cheese and
meat combined in unsuprising ways
aus-mex......like El Patio and El Mercado , Polvos etc.....
wanna be pleasantly suprised? go to a fancier mexican place like
Fonda or such
Omelet
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:45:07 -0000, aus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Even Taco Cabana is better than Matt's.
>
> I think Taco Cabana is pretty decent. I dont' eat there often,
> but I'm usually glad I did.
>
> -sw
I don't. Not any more. Prices were too high anyway and Corporate has
gone Hoplophobic and is now posting 30.06 signs in various locations.
--
Peace, Om
Remove both _ (underscores) to validate gmail e-mails.
"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein
J. Steven Swinnea
Omelet <omp_omelet@g_mail.com> wrote:
> is now posting 30.06 signs in various locations.
Is that really the code section? How ironic.
S. S.
Victor Martinez
> I don't. Not any more. Prices were too high anyway and Corporate has
> gone Hoplophobic and is now posting 30.06 signs in various locations.
Hoplophobic?
--
Victor M. Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam here: u...@ftc.gov
Email me here: pistor...@BOXaustin.rr.com
aus...@gmail.com
Scared of hoplos, of course. Everyone knows that, Victor.
Omelet
Omelet
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:10:54 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article <ke7akw6e1r2p$.d...@sqwertz.com>,
> > Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> >
> >> I think Taco Cabana is pretty decent. I dont' eat there often,
> >> but I'm usually glad I did.
> >
> > I don't. Not any more. Prices were too high anyway and Corporate has
> > gone Hoplophobic and is now posting 30.06 signs in various locations.
>
> I have no idea what that means so I think I'll go and try the
> hoplophobic taco tomorrow.
>
> Does it come with sour cream and chopped tomatoes?
>
> -sw
Might be messy... <g>
It's hard to forget the various restaurant massacres that have occurred
in the past.
Omelet
Victor Martinez <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
> > I don't. Not any more. Prices were too high anyway and Corporate has
> > gone Hoplophobic and is now posting 30.06 signs in various locations.
>
> Hoplophobic?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia
30.06 signs:
http://www.burger.com/gunfaq08.htm
HTH? :-)
Victor Martinez
> HTH? :-)
So... you won't eat a a restaurant that requires you to leave your guns
home?!?!?!?!
Elliot Richmond
wrote:
>Omelet wrote:
>> HTH? :-)
>
>So... you won't eat a a restaurant that requires you to leave your guns
>home?!?!?!?!
A young cowboy named Billy Joe
Grew restless on the farm
A boy filled with wanderlust
Who really meant no harm
He changed his clothes and shined his boots
And combed his dark hair down
And his mother cried as he walked out;
"Don't take your guns to town, son
Leave your guns at home, Bill
Don't take your guns to town."
He sang a song as on he rode,
His guns hung at his hips
He rode into a cattle town,
A smile upon his lips
He stopped and walked into a bar and laid his money down
But his mother's words echoed again;
"Don't take your guns to town, son
Leave your guns at home, Bill
Don't take your guns to town."
-----------------------------------------------
Bill was raged and Billy Joe reached for his gun to draw
But the stranger drew his gun and fired before he even saw
As Billy Joe fell to the floor the crowd all gathered 'round
And wondered at his final words;
"Don't take your guns to town, son
Leave your guns at home, Bill
Don't take your guns to town."
--Johnny Cash
Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Freelance science writer
Logan Shaw
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:10:54 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>> I think Taco Cabana is pretty decent.
>> I don't. Not any more. Prices were too high anyway and Corporate has
>> gone Hoplophobic and is now posting 30.06 signs in various locations.
> I have no idea what that means so I think I'll go and try the
> hoplophobic taco tomorrow.
>
> Does it come with sour cream and chopped tomatoes?
I doesn't come with sour cream and chopped tomatoes, but it does
come with:
* sour cream
* chopped tomatoes
* and more
- Logan
Wooly
> Omelet wrote:
>> HTH? :-)
>
> So... you won't eat a a restaurant that requires you to leave your guns
> home?!?!?!?!
>
I happen to think that I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere I
damned well please and I generally do. What a sissy proprietor doesn't
know may save his ass some fine day...
Yes, I'm a scofflaw.
Victor Martinez
> I happen to think that I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere I
> damned well please and I generally do.
Creepy.
aus...@gmail.com
> Omelet wrote:
> > HTH? :-)
>
> So... you won't eat a a restaurant that requires you to leave your guns
> home?!?!?!?!
Only in Texas would one's access to personal firearms dictate where to
eat lunch.
motorblade
So you believe you should have the right to carry a gun anywhere, and
you scoff the law that restricts that? The reason you SHOULD be able
to carry the gun is because there is a law that makes it your right.
Furthermore , the owner of the establishment should allow you to carry
a gun because it will protect him from others who might break the law
and use a gun violently.
is there anything like a logical throughline there?
gotta love the logic
Mr Clean
> I doesn't come with sour cream and chopped tomatoes,
What else do you not come with?
d
Mr Clean
Remember that movie, "Miss Congeniality," in which Murphy Br... um,
Candice Bergen says "This is Texas, everyone has a gun!"
d
Omelet
Victor Martinez <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
> > HTH? :-)
>
> So... you won't eat a a restaurant that requires you to leave your guns
> home?!?!?!?!
Not since I got my permit. No.
It's a matter of principle now.
Omelet
Wooly <nobody@nunya> wrote:
Yes!!! :-)
Plus crime, like lighting, strikes at random.
It's not predictable even if you normally go out of your way to avoid it.
Right Steve?
Omelet
Victor Martinez <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Wooly wrote:
> > I happen to think that I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere I
> > damned well please and I generally do.
>
> Creepy.
You don't understand, do you Victor. :-(
I pray that you never have your nose rubbed in the "why".
The difference between a CHL holder and a Hoplophobe is usually one
mugging, or rape.
Omelet
aus...@gmail.com wrote:
Not just in Texas...
Trust me.
Try some of the gun forums. There are now very few states left without
"must issue" laws for CCW/CHL.
It's time for Criminals, not law abiding citizens, to be afraid.
For once.
Omelet
motorblade <motor...@aol.com> wrote:
The problem is is that criminals, by definition, do not respect the law.
The "law" that may deprive me of my ability to defend myself isn't going
to deter a criminal.
Making me a helpless victim.
Omelet
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> Doesn't Matt's have a full bar? And wouldn't that possessing a
> gun there illegal?
>
> -sw
It is true, you cannot legally carry in bars.
But again, that's not going to stop a criminal.
It's not unusual for bartenders to be discreetly armed.
Oh, and it also does not apply to LEO's.
Omelet
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:31:32 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article <1jjz78on...@sqwertz.com>,
> > Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> >
> >> Doesn't Matt's have a full bar? And wouldn't that mean possessing a
> >> gun there would be illegal?
> >
> > It is true, you cannot legally carry in bars.
> > But again, that's not going to stop a criminal.
>
> So then I don't get it. You're boycotting Matt's because,
> according to Texas law, they can't allow guns on the premises?
>
> -sw
I'm boycotting Taco Cabana.
I don't go to bars. Not my scene.
Victor Martinez
> You don't understand, do you Victor. :-(
No, I don't understand some americans' obsessions with guns.
> The difference between a CHL holder and a Hoplophobe is usually one
> mugging, or rape.
It depends on the kind of person, I guess. You're much more likely to
get hurt in a car accident than you are to be mugged or raped. That
doesn't stop you from driving, does it? :)
Cheers.
Victor
Omelet
Victor Martinez <pist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 12:26 pm, Omelet <omp_omelet@g_mail.com> wrote:
> > You don't understand, do you Victor. :-(
>
> No, I don't understand some americans' obsessions with guns.
The obsession is not with guns dear.
It's with being able to defend yourself.
Period. A gun is the most effective way to do that.
I'm not trained in martial arts, nor do I have the
physical capability of doing so. Plus, if the criminal
has a weapon, (especially a gun), no fancy martial
arts have a hope in hell against it. Only an equal weapon
does.
A gun is a safety tool, nothing more.
Altho' I must confess I find the personal challenge of target
marksmanship to be fun. But that's only blowing away innocent pieces of
paper.
Cellphones may help in an emergency, but not fast enough. The police
usually arrive in time to help clean up the bodies. :-(
911 = dial-a-prayer
1911 = real self-protection.
Aren't you tired of criminals ruling the streets in some areas?
How would YOU defend yourself against a mugger or home invader?
Give him what he wants and pray he does not kill you?
We live in a world that seems to be increasing in violence.
Violent crime rates are really up, and especially in this area since
Hurricane Katrina. Many home invaders are killing or seriously injuring
anyone they find in the home.
And NO number of gun laws stop criminals from having them!
All more regulations do is to make law abiding citizens more helpless by
not being allowed to own the tools to save their own lives. The police
are not legally obliged to protect you. SCOTUS ruled on that point years
ago.
>
> > The difference between a CHL holder and a Hoplophobe is usually one
> > mugging, or rape.
>
> It depends on the kind of person, I guess. You're much more likely to
> get hurt in a car accident than you are to be mugged or raped. That
> doesn't stop you from driving, does it? :)
>
> Cheers.
>
> Victor
That's beside the point. ;-)
Sure, the odds of me ever having to use my gun in self-defense is low,
but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
See? :-)
Omelet
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:23:32 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article <15e08xdo...@sqwertz.com>,
> > Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> >
> >> So then I don't get it. You're boycotting Matt's because,
> >> according to Texas law, they can't allow guns on the premises?
> >
> > I'm boycotting Taco Cabana.
>
> Oh. I forgot yesterdays conversation. Too much salmon o\n the
> brain. http://i22.tinypic.com/259zebl.jpg
> (The rest of the fillet will be cooked tonight, this was just a
> snack)
>
> -sw
Yeah, and I envy you that bit of fish flesh. <drool>
Logan Shaw
> I happen to think that I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere I
> damned well please and I generally do.
So you believe in individual freedom (to carry), but you don't believe
property owners should have the freedom to choose whether people can
bring guns onto their private property? Makes sense to me.
- Logan
Logan Shaw
> In article <15e08xdo...@sqwertz.com>,
> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:31:32 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>> In article <1jjz78on...@sqwertz.com>,
>>> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>>> Doesn't Matt's have a full bar? And wouldn't that mean possessing a
>>>> gun there would be illegal?
>>> It is true, you cannot legally carry in bars.
>>> But again, that's not going to stop a criminal.
>> So then I don't get it. You're boycotting Matt's because,
>> according to Texas law, they can't allow guns on the premises?
> I'm boycotting Taco Cabana.
>
> I don't go to bars. Not my scene.
Doesn't Taco Cabana serve beer and margaritas, making this essentially
the equivalent situation?
- Logan
joe
Only if 51% or more of their revenue comes from the sale of the beer and
margaritas. If you are really interested I suggest you read the appropriate
statutes to clarify the situation for you. In the case of Taco Cabana, the
management has made the decision to only allow criminals to carry firearms
in their establishment. The decision was not mandated by state law. The
management has chosen to set themselves and their customers up to be
another Kileen Luby's.
Mr Clean
> The obsession is not with guns dear.
> It's with being able to defend yourself.
> Period. A gun is the most effective way to do that.
> I'm not trained in martial arts, nor do I have the
> physical capability of doing so.
I don't own a gun, and don't know martial arts. But I could massage
you to death.
d
Logan Shaw
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> Doesn't Taco Cabana serve beer and margaritas, making this essentially
>> the equivalent situation?
> Only if 51% or more of their revenue comes from the sale of the beer and
> margaritas. If you are really interested I suggest you read the appropriate
> statutes to clarify the situation for you.
Heh. When I wrote that post, I originally had a sentence in there that said
something like, "That is, unless the draconian and convoluted Texas alcohol
laws make some kind of arbitrary and meaningless distinction between 'bars'
and places that merely serve beer and several other kinds of alcohol." I
took the sentence out because it seemed a little silly, although I wasn't
positive it wasn't true, and sure enough...
By the way, I really hate to dredge up that whole horrible chapter of Texas
history, but I tend to agree that in a situation like the Luby's one, just
one good samaritan could've kept the total body count lower. I just think
if you own property, you should be able to say whether guns are allowed,
and other people ought to respect that.
ObFood: I like Maria's Taco-X-Press, but these radio ads are obnoxious.
- Logan
motorblade
> In article <1192040668.655895.243...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Guns are a matter of faith....if you believe in the sanctity of gun
ownership then you have a whole set of assumptions/facts/results that
make guns neccesary ....if you are a non-believer then the whole line
of logic that makes guns "make sense" falls apart.
The gun culture in the US is out of control....at this point it would
be VERY hard to find some more moderate stance and when there are more
guns then criminals and CHL'ers combined then the whole "gun control"
concept becomes a joke
Its a shame that good people with good morals and intentions feel they
must arm themselves to protect themselves and everyone else at a
restaurant.
I remember a thread in austin.general a few years back where someone
was lamenting having to leave their gun home during the ACL
concert.....what a sad day ....people don't feel safe at a freakin
music festival in the park......i know ...altamont ...whatever....its
still a shame
Watch "Bowling for Columbine" Canada has lots of people who have
hunting rifles at home but very little gun crime.....its our culture
that promotes gun toting....and we create our own culture....we begat
an underclass that was given access to guns...they .used guns to
create a drug economy that employs guns as a major element....now we
are enslaved by our own "freedoms"
aus...@gmail.com
> By the way, I really hate to dredge up that whole horrible chapter of Texas
> history, but I tend to agree that in a situation like the Luby's one, just
> one good samaritan could've kept the total body count lower.
Arguably, one good samaritan could have done that. But how about 12
good samaritans?
I'm not sure what worries me more--being in the Luby's scenario with
one armed loonie, or with 13. And then adding the responding cops to
the mix and expecting them to sort the good loonies from the bad.
Sounds like a recipe for crossfire casserole.
Victor Martinez
> I don't own a gun, and don't know martial arts. But I could massage
> you to death.
Now, *that's* my kind of death. :)
--
Victor M. Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam here: u...@ftc.gov
Email me here: pistor...@BOXaustin.rr.com
Victor Martinez
> I'm not sure what worries me more--being in the Luby's scenario with
> one armed loonie, or with 13. And then adding the responding cops to
> the mix and expecting them to sort the good loonies from the bad.
> Sounds like a recipe for crossfire casserole.
Precisely. The odds of me being killed by some gun-toting lunatic are
infinitesimal. However, if every joe blow is packing heat, those odds
increase exponentially.
rosso.dim...@gmail.com
Omelet wrote:
> but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
>
I'd rather have it and not need it than not have it and not need it.
But that's just me.
jeremy
> I looked it up earlier. For CCW purposes, an establishment that
> generates 51% or more of its revenue from sale of alcohol is
> considered a bar - where CCW would be illegal.
>
> Taco Cabana wouldn't fit that description.
I am pretty sure it would as I have never seen anything approaching edible
come out of their kitchen :-)
JJ
Omelet
Logan Shaw <lshaw-...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
I'm ok with the property owners choice...
providing THEY are willing to take responsibility for security of guests!
And respect my right to sue if their choice takes away my choice and I
get hurt as a result of their hoplophobia.
Omelet
Logan Shaw <lshaw-...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
No.
The law is clear on that.
Greater than 50% of their income has to be made off of booze sales for
the ban to cover them.
I doubt that that is the case at TC's.
Omelet
wrote:
Yep!
"Gun free" zones are potential shooting galleries for criminals that
will NOT obey legal "postings".
That is, after all, what defines them as criminals.
Failure to respect rules/laws.
Omelet
Mr Clean <mrc...@ggmail.com> wrote:
Ooh baby. :-)
Omelet
Logan Shaw <lshaw-...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Private property rights do indeed trump state CHL laws.
Unfortunately, at the time of the Luby's massacre, the "must issue" law
had not yet been passed.
Otherwise, that one girl that is most famous for losing both her parents
to that mess might still have one or both of them today.
She had a gun in her car and chose not to take it inside due to being
afraid of being caught and prosecuted.
Personally, I'd proudly accept a jail sentence in place of losing my
beloved family members to some psychopath.
In a heartbeat.
jeremy
> TB is usually pretty good. AT least I one I visit. You're just
> being a snob :-P
>
> -sw
TC near me has been tried at least five times, four of which I seem to have
experienced some gastric problems, but difficult to pin on the old grease or
unwashed salads.
Sorry meat with greasy sauces, unidimensional chile sauces and cardboard
tomatoes. Better cheaper, quicker at the taco truck 3 blocks away.
JJ
Omelet
motorblade <motor...@aol.com> wrote:
> Guns are a matter of faith....if you believe in the sanctity of gun
> ownership then you have a whole set of assumptions/facts/results that
> make guns neccesary ....if you are a non-believer then the whole line
> of logic that makes guns "make sense" falls apart.
>
> The gun culture in the US is out of control....at this point it would
> be VERY hard to find some more moderate stance and when there are more
> guns then criminals and CHL'ers combined then the whole "gun control"
> concept becomes a joke
>
> Its a shame that good people with good morals and intentions feel they
> must arm themselves to protect themselves and everyone else at a
> restaurant.
>
> I remember a thread in austin.general a few years back where someone
> was lamenting having to leave their gun home during the ACL
> concert.....what a sad day ....people don't feel safe at a freakin
> music festival in the park......i know ...altamont ...whatever....its
> still a shame
>
> Watch "Bowling for Columbine" Canada has lots of people who have
> hunting rifles at home but very little gun crime.....its our culture
> that promotes gun toting....and we create our own culture....we begat
> an underclass that was given access to guns...they .used guns to
> create a drug economy that employs guns as a major element....now we
> are enslaved by our own "freedoms"
You would be very happy in England dear. ;-)
Why don't you apply for citizenship there?
It's our freedoms that make this country great, and keeps us safe.
There is a good reason that our homeland (despite the 911 incident) has
never been physically invaded.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
(Japanese Navy)
"National Security" begins at home.
Omelet
aus...@gmail.com wrote:
Depends on how many of the CHL holders are morons.
There is a right way and a wrong way to defend one's self, and others.
If you'd be more willing to attempt to duck and hide from a madman with
a gun rather than having the ability to defend yourself, be my guest!
Coward.
When the cops show up, the "good guys" know to drop their weapons.
The cops (generally) know this.
I'd expect to be initially handcuffed to be sorted out later.
I'm okay with that. I participate in "continuing education".
There is no perfect scenario but I'd rather be a live defender than a
dead chickenshit.
Omelet
Victor Martinez <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> aus...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm not sure what worries me more--being in the Luby's scenario with
> > one armed loonie, or with 13. And then adding the responding cops to
> > the mix and expecting them to sort the good loonies from the bad.
> > Sounds like a recipe for crossfire casserole.
>
> Precisely. The odds of me being killed by some gun-toting lunatic are
> infinitesimal. However, if every joe blow is packing heat, those odds
> increase exponentially.
That has been proven to be a total misconception in every state that
allows concealed carry.
It's the unproven fear of many a paranoid liberal.
Omelet
rosso.dim...@gmail.com wrote:
Until you get mugged...
Or raped.
You do know there was a gay male rapist running around in Corpus not
long ago.
Omelet
jeremy <jer...@dcnet2000.com> wrote:
Now now Jeremy, their beef Fajitas are quite decent. ;-)
But that's about it, at least imho.
motorblade
>
> Why don't you apply for citizenship there?
>
> It's our freedoms that make this country great, and keeps us safe.
>
> There is a good reason that our homeland (despite the 911 incident) has
> never been physically invaded.
>
> "You cannot invade the mainland United States.
> There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
>
> - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
> (Japanese Navy)
>
> "National Security" begins at home.
> --
> Peace, Om
>
> Remove both _ (underscores) to validate gmail e-mails.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes our freedoms make us great but guns have changed from the time of
the writinng of the constitution and bill of rights.....the founding
fathers did not have access to armor peircing rounds and pocket guns
when they passed out the right to bear arms.America, police, and other
counties have all evolved far from the colonial days and the needs for
survival at that time.
You think i should consider moving because a lot of people carry guns?
then you really don't understand what makes up quality of life for me.
I will live (or die) as the result of the risks i take in my life and
living in americas gun culture is one risk i choose . Maybe you should
move to Britain and spread the cause of gun ownership.
I just am of the opinion that the "law abiding " folks who carry guns
create the need for their own guns by insisting on it being a personal
freedom/right for all with the approval of gun companies .........the
similar odd paradox happens in the way the drug wars make the thugs on
both sides rich as well as the gun companies/lawyers etc.......or how
insurance makes doctors and lawyers and insurance companies rich
through medicine...or tobacco ....or oil companies.....america is rife
with these money loops tied into "freedoms" and "needs" and also loops
tied into whats "wrong" and needs to be controlled by law.
guns are part of what makes america great....really....its definitely
kept war off our soil....other countries obviously stopped short of
invasion because we have the right to bear arms.....it wouldn't be the
ocean, maybe, or something like that, thats silly. Yeah, the right of
all americans to own guns has made us safer. I can say that with a
straight face, really , i can.
Its laughable imho that gun owners think they are deterring crime. At
best you spread guns everywhere then fight them off your own
turf....not a terribly efficient way to stay crime free....very
american though
H. Adam Stevens
It's not unusual for bartenders to be discreetly armed.
"
There used to be a very visible shotgun behind the bar at Casita Jorge's in
the Old Days.
"Omelet" <omp_omelet@g_mail.com> wrote in message
news:omp_omelet-1DCCE...@news.giganews.com...
> In article <1jjz78on...@sqwertz.com>,
> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:24:05 -0500, Wooly wrote:
>>
>> > Victor Martinez wrote:
>> >> Omelet wrote:
>> >>> HTH? :-)
>> >>
>> >> So... you won't eat a a restaurant that requires you to leave your
>> >> guns
>> >> home?!?!?!?!
>> >>
>> >
>> > I happen to think that I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere I
>> > damned well please and I generally do. What a sissy proprietor doesn't
>> > know may save his ass some fine day...
>>
>> Doesn't Matt's have a full bar? And wouldn't that possessing a
>> gun there illegal?
>>
>> -sw
>
> It is true, you cannot legally carry in bars.
> But again, that's not going to stop a criminal.
>
> It's not unusual for bartenders to be discreetly armed.
>
> Oh, and it also does not apply to LEO's.
Victor Martinez
> That has been proven to be a total misconception in every state that
> allows concealed carry.
When was the last time a gun-toting...er... armed law-abiding citizen
stopped a looney from shooting everybody at the local denny's?
> It's the unproven fear of many a paranoid liberal.
I guess you don't see the irony in you calling me paranoid. :) I'm
most definitely liberal, but far from being paranoid. I'll leave that
to the 2nd ammendment folks.
> Peace, Om
More irony indeed. :)
Cheers.
Victor
Peter Principle
> In article <5n3viqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Victor Martinez <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Wooly wrote:
>>> I happen to think that I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere
>>> I damned well please and I generally do.
>>
>
> You don't understand, do you Victor. :-(
>
>
> The difference between a CHL holder and a Hoplophobe is usually one
> mugging, or rape.
More often it's denial or a few dozen fewer IQ points, as evidenced by the
lying fools like Larry "blowjob" Craig still sitting on the NRA board of
directors. Not to mention, how smart can one be when a doddering, drooling,
senile Chuck Heston seemed the ideal spokesperson?
Fact: Owning a handgun *increases* the risk of violent death by a factor of
3 or more.
Fact: Gun owners are far more likely to shoot themselves or someone they
know than to use their gun(s) for self defense.
Fact: Statistically, the *least* likely common use for a handgun is self
defense.
Fact: Gun nuts nonetheless *always* cite self defense as a primary reason
for owning a gun.
Conclusion: Obviously logic isn't the strong suit of gun nuts.
Most of the intelligent people I know who own handguns are honest enough to
tell me they own them because they like them. In that context it's not much
different than many choices people make that bring increased risks, except,
of course, for the increased risk to those around them.
Yes, drunk driving increases risk to others, too. So does 2nd hand smoke.
But those are secondary, not direct increased risks.
The intended use of alcohol is not to drive drunk, nor is the intended use
of tobacco to endanger non-smokers. The intended us of handguns, however, is
to kill. They have no other purpose, spare me the crapola about target
shooting, where the only difference is the target stands in as a substitute.
You own a handgun because you like guns? Fine. Fair enough. I don't agree,
but that's your choice. But to cite improved safety as a reason to own a
handgun is patently absurd, as every possible statistic indicates the exact
opposite is true.
For example, in a population of about 300 million, there currently some
10,000 gun homicides in the US annually. By comparison, with a population of
about 61 million, the UK averages about 25 gun homicides per year.
Overall, the UK murder rate is about 1.1 per 100,000. The US murder rate,
OTOH, is a whopping 5.4 per thousand, with guns accounting for more than 2/3
of those murders.
IOW, the gun murder rate in the US is EIGHTY TIMES higher than the UK while
the overall murder rate is almost 5 times higher in the US. Gee, I wonder if
there's a correlation...
Logic: It's not just for breakfast anymore.
--
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Peter Principle
Where the overall murder rate is only 1/5th of what it is here? Um, speaking
from the POV of safety, duh...
I take it you've never been to England. It's actually a rather nice place.
MUCH safer, too, primarily because the English, like the vast majority of
the civilized world, lack our childish fascination with bang bang sticks...
> Why don't you apply for citizenship there?
>
> It's our freedoms that make this country great, and keeps us safe.
>
> There is a good reason that our homeland (despite the 911 incident)
> has never been physically invaded.
Obviously. NO country with a few thousand miles of ocean on either side is
likely to be invaded. Why, how many times do you think Canada has been
invaded?
Not to mention, there are some who think having the world's most powerful
technology, economy and military might be a factor, too.
But to gun nuts it's always about them...
aus...@gmail.com
> a gun rather than having the ability to defend yourself, be my guest!
>
> Coward.
This is rich. I'm being called a coward by someone who refuses to
appear in public unarmed.
More of that great gun freedom logic, eh?
Omelet
"H. Adam Stevens" <hste...@totalaccess.net> wrote:
> "
> It's not unusual for bartenders to be discreetly armed.
>
> "
>
>
> There used to be a very visible shotgun behind the bar at Casita Jorge's in
> the Old Days.
;-)
jeremy
> I take it you've never been to England. It's actually a rather nice place.
> MUCH safer, too, primarily because the English, like the vast majority of
> the civilized world, lack our childish fascination with bang bang sticks...
>
>> Why don't you apply for citizenship there?
>>
I am a British citizen and the draconian gun and knife laws there have
resulted in law abiding being either stripped of defense or forced to become
law breakers.
The cultural imperatives result in a high density population being less likely
to transfer conflict into deadly force in domestic disputes, but the criminals
have now assumed everyone is defenseless and routinely carry guns. It used to
be that only the diplomatic and flying squads were armed, with back-up
provided by combat trained LEOs from local constabulary only being issued arms
in special circumstances. Now there are SWAT, assault and routinely armed
officers on the streets.
It is not the guns but the society, as evidenced by Switzerland, where home
owners are trained in the use of and entrusted with military grade weapons to
a much higher degree than the USA.
I carry in this state after being held up twice at gunpoint. Not that having a
weapon would have necessarily helped, but having one all the time puts me in a
different state of awareness.
JJ
Mr Clean
wrote:
I'd rather be getting it than not getting it, even if I don't need
it.
Wait, what are we talking about?
rosso.dim...@gmail.com
Omelet wrote:
> In article <1192117750....@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
> rosso.dim...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> > > but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
> > >
> >
> > I'd rather have it and not need it than not have it and not need it.
> > But that's just me.
>
> Until you get mugged...
>
> Or raped.
>
> You do know there was a gay male rapist running around in Corpus not
> long ago.
What? I think you read what I wrote a little too quickly.
Omelet
rosso.dim...@gmail.com wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
> > In article <1192117750....@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
> > rosso.dim...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Omelet wrote:
> > > > but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'd rather have it and not need it than not have it and not need it.
> > > But that's just me.
> >
> > Until you get mugged...
> >
> > Or raped.
> >
> > You do know there was a gay male rapist running around in Corpus not
> > long ago.
>
> What? I think you read what I wrote a little too quickly.
Yes, I did. :-)
Sorry!!!
I rather enjoy the "toy" aspect of them too. I've not been to the range
for awhile due to weather, but that's getting just about perfect right
now in the early mornings. I need to renew my annual membership.
I'm working on a front yard landscaping project tho' that's taking a lot
of my morning time and I'll do a lot of it tomorrow. My front yard looks
like hell so I'm giving it a major face lift. ;-)
John Doe
>> You would be very happy in England dear. ;-)
>>
>> Why don't you apply for citizenship there?
>>
>> It's our freedoms that make this country great, and keeps us
>> safe.
>>
>> There is a good reason that our homeland (despite the 911
>> incident) has never been physically invaded.
>>
>> "You cannot invade the mainland United States.
>> There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
>>
>> - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
>> (Japanese Navy)
>>
>> "National Security" begins at home.
>> --
>> Peace, Om
>>
>> Remove both _ (underscores) to validate gmail e-mails.
>>
>> "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put
>> their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes our freedoms make us great but guns have changed from the time
> of the writinng of the constitution and bill of rights.....the
> founding fathers did not have access to armor peircing rounds and
> pocket guns when they passed out the right to bear arms.America,
> police, and other counties have all evolved far from the colonial
> days and the needs for survival at that time.
The drunken troll misspelled "our founding fathers did not have
access to nukes launched from stealth bombers". Now our leaders do,
and the people have access to armor piercing bullets. The difference
between privately owned arms and government arms has become like the
Grand Canyon. That's the relevant comparison.
>
>
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Omelet
John Doe <jd...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
I just figure that there must be a good reason that the UN so
desperately wants to see the American population disarmed...
--
Peace, Om
Remove - (dash) to validate gmail.
Mr Clean
> I just figure that there must be a good reason that the UN so
> desperately wants to see the American population disarmed...
I was *hoping* to find a political discussion on austin.food this
morning. Wow, I'm not disappointed.
d
Omelet
Mr Clean <mrc...@ggmail.com> wrote:
Sorry. ;-)
I was not paying attention to which group it was...
My bad.
Mr Clean
> In article <ohkqgbo58rcn.1s...@40tude.net>,
> Mr Clean <mrc...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:29:33 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> I just figure that there must be a good reason that the UN so
>>> desperately wants to see the American population disarmed...
>>
>> I was *hoping* to find a political discussion on austin.food this
>> morning. Wow, I'm not disappointed.
>
> Sorry. ;-)
>
> I was not paying attention to which group it was...
>
> My bad.
It's not so much you. It's that thing you were talking to.
d
Omelet
Mr Clean <mrc...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:54:54 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article <ohkqgbo58rcn.1s...@40tude.net>,
> > Mr Clean <mrc...@ggmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:29:33 -0600, Omelet wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just figure that there must be a good reason that the UN so
> >>> desperately wants to see the American population disarmed...
> >>
> >> I was *hoping* to find a political discussion on austin.food this
> >> morning. Wow, I'm not disappointed.
> >
> > Sorry. ;-)
> >
> > I was not paying attention to which group it was...
> >
> > My bad.
>
> It's not so much you. It's that thing you were talking to.
>
> d
I found it amusing that he renewed a dead thread.
Omelet
Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> That's what she gets for crossposting.
<LOL!!!>
>
> ObFood: I had my most excellent beef ribs at Iron Works this
> afternoon at 2:30pm. I barely ate since.
Beast!
Thanks to you, I've had a craving for those things for a couple of weeks
now. I may get my "fix" this weekend if I have time.
Dad wants to hit MT during the Christmas season. He says they stock more
unusual tea leaf varieties.
I need to re-stock my depleted stores of canned chinese veggies. They
are so affordable there!
suzilem
"Omelet" <omp_o...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:omp_omelet-ACD78...@news.giganews.com...
>
> I need to re-stock my depleted stores of canned chinese veggies. They
> are so affordable there!
Are they a good source for bonito flakes? Ms. Lucy Fur is addicted to them,
and I'm getting tired of buying them by the 0.25 ounce at Petco. It was
suggested that an Asian grocer would be a good supplier.
Omelet
"suzilem" <sle...@deflectprocessedmeat.texas.net> wrote:
I've never bought those, but Squertz might know. :-)
J L H
Good Ole matts. Its been at least a decade since I've been there.
It was fantastiv !!!
I had the chicken chile relleno (the diish by which I rate mexican
restaurant0s.
I can't imagine it nor the service being any more perfect --- truly
superb.
So refreshing to find a consistently superior place (I was recently
very bummed out by the "NEw" Binions in Las Vegas --- $3.50 for a
miller lite at the main bar !!!!!!!!!!) ( Benny must be spinning in
his grave !!!!!!!)
And after that, at the Freemont ---- they wanted $7.00 for a pack of
cigarettes SEVEN FRIGGIN DOLLARS (they used to be free sitting out on
the tables!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I was totally bummed out, however two places restored my faith ---
The good ole Golden Gate, where I had the famous shrimp cocktail, it
was and is still great
A new Joint off the strip called Tuscany. Perhaps they didn/t have
free cigs (I admit times change) but everything about the place
harkened back to Vegas of old. I was so impressed I have chosen them
as my new "HOME" casino and am planning a return trip with several
people in the next few mionths. (I could stay at the RIO, the GOlDEN
NUGGET, and many others, (and many that are now blown up) but I now
"CHOOSE" to stay at Tuscany !!!!!!!!!)