Open letter to Chuy's
James Monro
Dear Chuy's management,
When I first moved to Austin in 1987, Chuy's was the
first restraunt I was taken to. Great food, great atmosphere,
and wonderful staff. I have been going there regularly
ever since, both for business and for not-business. I
always try to take out of town guests or family members there.
It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
have offended, insulted, and alienated.
James Monro -- mo...@io.com -- Austin, TX
Roberta and Craig Becker
Would someone care to enlarge a bit on just what this is all
about? I heard a little bit about this on the radio this morning,
but not enough to be able to tell what's going on...lesbians
complaining about the hair policy at Chuy's or somesuch?
Craig
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: Dear Chuy's management,
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mo...@io.com (James Monro) wrote:
>Dear Chuy's management,
>When I first moved to Austin in 1987, Chuy's was the
>first restraunt I was taken to. Great food, great atmosphere,
>and wonderful staff. I have been going there regularly
>ever since, both for business and for not-business. I
>always try to take out of town guests or family members there.
>It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
>I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
>terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
>hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
>have offended, insulted, and alienated.
>James Monro -- mo...@io.com -- Austin, TX
OK, so what IS that new policy........women have to have hair, and men
don't? Or what?
John Ertel
James Monro wrote:
>
> Dear Chuy's management,
>
> When I first moved to Austin in 1987, Chuy's was the
> first restraunt I was taken to. Great food, great atmosphere,
> and wonderful staff. I have been going there regularly
> ever since, both for business and for not-business. I
> always try to take out of town guests or family members there.
>
> It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
> I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
> terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
> hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
> have offended, insulted, and alienated.
>
> James Monro -- mo...@io.com -- Austin, TX
Austin, you might at least explain what it's
about.
Ray Shea
I called Chuys, they said that letters should be addressed to the owner:
Mike Young
1728 Barton Springs Road
Austin, TX 78704
It is definitely sad and depressing that Mr. Young wants nothing but
bowheads and mall hair at his Denny's....er, uh, I mean Chuys restuarants.
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Ray Shea
From the Chuy's web page (volumes of self-serving hype, and no email address;
I don't understand how they can claim to be so customer-oriented when the
only way you can reach them electronically is to order a t-shirt), comes
this choice quote:
> John Zapp on Chuy's Commitment to the Staff:
>
> "We are not in the restaurant business, our staff is. They take care
> of every customer. They create every plate. We want to create a fun
> and caring atmosphere for our employees that is free of rules,
> regulation, harassment, hassles and corporate politics. As our
> employees build pride in their job, their performance improves and our
> product and service improves. Our people-management-pride formula
> allows us to develop a staff of fun, energetic, and creative
> employees."
Either Mr. Zapp isn't aware of how his business is actually run, or he
likes to talk the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Gordon Gunn
In article <4maoi4$j...@news3.realtime.net> Roberta and Craig
Becker, bec...@bga.com writes:
>Would someone care to enlarge a bit on just what this is all
>about? I heard a little bit about this on the radio this morning,
>but not enough to be able to tell what's going on...lesbians
>complaining about the hair policy at Chuy's or somesuch?
All I know is what I heard this morning (KLBJ AM) as well, but
I don't think lesbianism has anything (at least directly) to do
with it. Here's what I got from the discussion; it's hearsay:
Seems that Chuy's hired a waitress with a very short (buzz-cut)
hairstyle. I'm pretty sure she already had it when they hired
her. At some time later, two other waitresses got the same
cut, whereupon the management issued an edict against the
hairstyle and directed the three women to wear hats on duty
until their hair grew back out.
One of the women quit.
There was an article in the Statesman; it was this morning, I
believe.
Gordon in Austin
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Charles Herrick
In article <4maldt$g...@anarchy.io.com>, mo...@io.com (James Monro) wrote:
>Dear Chuy's management,
>
>When I first moved to Austin in 1987, Chuy's was the
>first restraunt I was taken to. Great food, great atmosphere,
>and wonderful staff. I have been going there regularly
>ever since, both for business and for not-business. I
>always try to take out of town guests or family members there.
>
>It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
>I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
>terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
>hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
>have offended, insulted, and alienated.
An open letter to Chuy's:
I've been remiss in not eating lunch or
dinner regularly at your establishment.
Now that I know that you're going to
adopt modest, balanced and fair policies
for your employees, and not knuckle-under
to the political correctoids who think
that any form of behavior regulation
in a private business is anathema,
I'll be eating at your establishment much,
much more frequently.
Thank you for sparing me from having to
lose my appetite while spending my hard-earned
money on food at your private business establishment,
only to have that food served
to me by some multi-body-part pierced, multi-color-hair-dyed,
almost-hairless-headed, braided-hair-armpitted
androgen with dirty feet encapsulated in
tattered Birkenstocks, who thinks that it
is my job in life to be there to see that
unlike the rest of us, they don't have
to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
MMMMMmmmm.... I'm looking forward
to that New Mexico Enchilada special.
Oh, by the way. I'll be there on May 11
to show the Lesbian Avengers, who've decided
to completely overreact and picket your
store(s), that if marginalizing your
special-interest group is the point in life,
they take the cake.
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> OK, so what IS that new policy........women have to have hair, and men
> don't? Or what?
According to a front page story in today's _Austin American Statesman_,
the management at Chuy's will no longer allow its female employees to have
"buzz" haircuts. This news story indicated that three female employees
were told that they would have to wear a hat until their hair had grown
out. One of the employees indicated that male employees were not being
held to this same standard and that she believed the policy to be
discriminatory. Other groups have charged that the policy is homophobic
and directed at lesbians.
Have a nice day.
Bill Huston
Ray Shea (sh...@silver.mcc.com) wrote:
: It is definitely sad and depressing that Mr. Young wants nothing but
: bowheads and mall hair at his Denny's....er, uh, I mean Chuys restuarants.
Can SOMEONE please tell us the scoop on what this is all about!!!??
I LOVE Chuy's! (especially during the Green Chili Festival! Yum!) But if they
are being stupid and un-Austin, I will certainly avoid the place....
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Gordon Gunn
In article <4maojg$p...@newshost.vvm.com> Wayne Smith,
sm...@vvm.com writes:
>OK, so what IS that new policy........women have to have hair, and men
>don't? Or what?
Actually, that's about the size of it.
Queen of Eden
The article appears in today's Statesman, front page. Chuy's corp
offices apparently feel there is an epidemic of the waitresses
"buzz-cutting" their hair.
Apparently they are afraid short hair will alienate their customers, or
some such.
'Barbara Davis, who has worked for CHuy's for seven
years and is now a corp trainer, said the increasing number of women cutting
their hair ultra-short caught the attention of those in the head office'
"They thought it was like an epidemic," she said. "I
think (the policy) was done harmlessly. I don't think they contemplated it
well enough to know how the employees would take it."
I will not be gracing the establishment with my presence or money again.
Chuy's corp office number is: 473-2783
The office staff is very polite, so please voice your opinion in a like
manner.
James Monro (mo...@io.com) wrote:
: Dear Chuy's management,
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> Chuy's corp office number is: 473-2783
>
Anyone have their fax number?
Ray Shea
In article <DqsKw...@txnews.amd.com>,
Charles Herrick <charles...@cyberdigm.com> wrote:
>An open letter to Chuy's:
>
>I've been remiss in not eating lunch or
>dinner regularly at your establishment.
>
>Now that I know that you're going to
>adopt modest, balanced and fair policies
>for your employees, and not knuckle-under
>to the political correctoids who think
>that any form of behavior regulation
>in a private business is anathema,
>I'll be eating at your establishment much,
>much more frequently.
An open letter to Chuy's:
If Chuck Herrick is going to be spending that much time there, I'll
eat somewhere else, thank-you-very-much.
God forbid I should offend him with my tattoos, or be offended by
his offensensitivity.
Charles Herrick
In article <jojo-02059...@slip-31-6.ots.utexas.edu>,
jo...@mail.utexas.edu (Jojo) wrote:
>In article <4maojg$p...@newshost.vvm.com>, sm...@vvm.com wrote:
>
>
>> don't? Or what?
>
>the management at Chuy's will no longer allow its female employees to have
>"buzz" haircuts. This news story indicated that three female employees
>were told that they would have to wear a hat until their hair had grown
>out. One of the employees indicated that male employees were not being
>held to this same standard and that she believed the policy to be
>discriminatory. Other groups have charged that the policy is homophobic
>and directed at lesbians.
Those "other groups" are a bunch of wackos called
"Lesbian Avengers"
terrymoore
>
>Dear Chuy's management,
>
>It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
>I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
>terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
>hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
>have offended, insulted, and alienated.
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Boy-yo-boy-yo-boy!!! Does this ever frost my jaws!?!?!?!?!?
How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
conduct for their employees!!! Don't they know that Austin is the
ultimate enlightened city where the employees make all the rules?!?!?
Even the lowest skid-row bum knows that the only role the boss plays
in running a business is writing the paychecks and keeping his/her
mouth shut otherwise.
Yessiree Bob!!! I am boycotting Chuy's until they get the message that
the employees are the brains of the business - not the bosses. I'm with
you ALL the way James.
Give em hell!!!!!
Terry in Pflugerville
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Chris White
terrymoore wrote:
> Boy-yo-boy-yo-boy!!! Does this ever frost my jaws!?!?!?!?!?
>
> How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
> conduct for their employees!!! Don't they know that Austin is the
> ultimate enlightened city where the employees make all the rules?!?!?
> Even the lowest skid-row bum knows that the only role the boss plays
> in running a business is writing the paychecks and keeping his/her
> mouth shut otherwise.
>
> Yessiree Bob!!! I am boycotting Chuy's until they get the message that
> the employees are the brains of the business - not the bosses. I'm with
> you ALL the way James.
>
> Give em hell!!!!!
>
> Terry in Pflugerville
Myself, I just want to make sure Chuy's knows that I like having
alternative or even downright wierd-lookin' people around me.
Shucks, let the faint of heart eat at Wendy's or Bennigan's, I
say. I especially like watchin' those neon-uncoiffed multipierced
antibimbos sling enchiladas to angst-ridden Republicans in from the
'burbs (who often commit the faux pas of _frozen_ margaritas!
I shudder to think...).
I think that employers have the right to set dress codes.
I just don't think it's in the best interests of Chuy's
to do it in this way.
Make it so, Number One.
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Zed/Amy
Terry,
Greatings, old friend, thought you'd fallen off the planet. Rebut to
your last 'bout Chuy's:
Carefull, folks might start to think you're a leftest liberal. Like me.
I called the folks at Chuy's HQ. They were nice as all get out. We
talked about reasonable apperance and responability on both parts. I got
the impression that they want a (reasonable dress code) Yes such a thing
does exist. What they may do is make a policy that sez word to the
effect:
No one, male or female, shall have an extremly eccenctrict apperance,
i.e. hair styles like mohawks, shaved, or odd and unusual collor.
What they told me was they only asked these emploies to wear a hat while
at work. I asked if they'd ask the same of men. They said no, they would
not. This is clearly discrimation.
While there are those that think we should treat women different
from men or viseversa, Chuy's does seem to be aware of the possible
consequnces of such behavior and stated that they did not want to treat
anyone better or poorer because of any reason.
(please excues poor spelling as I learn'd to spell on my own)
Zed the rantin' liberal
David M. Cook
In article <4mbc0h$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
terrymoore <terry...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
>conduct for their employees!!!
They can dictate away, but when I think the policies are stupid -- and
*requiring* food workers wear long hair (well, longer than a buzz cut) is
definitely stupid -- I'll exercise my right to stay away.
Dave Cook
Skippy
On 2 May 1996 22:12:33 GMT, terry...@mail.utexas.edu (terrymoore) wrote:
:In article <4maldt$g...@anarchy.io.com>, mo...@io.com
:(James Monro) says:
:>
:>Dear Chuy's management,
:>
:
:>It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
:>I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
:>terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
:>hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
:>have offended, insulted, and alienated.
:
:
:******************************************************************
:
:Boy-yo-boy-yo-boy!!! Does this ever frost my jaws!?!?!?!?!?
:
:How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
:conduct for their employees!!! Don't they know that Austin is the
:ultimate enlightened city where the employees make all the rules?!?!?
:Even the lowest skid-row bum knows that the only role the boss plays
:in running a business is writing the paychecks and keeping his/her
:mouth shut otherwise.
:
:Yessiree Bob!!! I am boycotting Chuy's until they get the message that
:the employees are the brains of the business - not the bosses. I'm with
:you ALL the way James.
:
:Give em hell!!!!!
:
:Terry in Pflugerville
:
:********************************************************************
:
I hope your being ironic on the first part of your statement!
Yahoo!
Skippy lives............
To Be Continued..........
James Monro
terrymoore (terry...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
:
: How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
: conduct for their employees!!!(rest of shallow sarcastic stuff deleted)
Didn't get online to post the details befor Jojo did(thanx Jojo)
One problem is that there is NO written policy on hairstyles for
women, and no policy whatsoever aimed at guys. It's all very
arbitrary. In a place that has a tradition of 'anythinig goes,
just do your job well,' it's quite sad to see.
Does Chuy's management have the right to conduct business in any
way they see fit? Certainly, and without a doubt.
If I wanted to be in an atmosphere that suited Charles H's tastes, I'd go
to Luby's or Sonic or Taco Hell. BTW, Charles, have you ever even BEEN to
Chuy's. If you did go once, I'm sure it gave you the hives being around
all those non-straight-ticket-republicans.
So, I'll just vote with my $$$, and take it elsewhere else. I look
forward to being able to return.
"They loved living here. But I can't let them stay.
They'll have to find(TexMex) food. And I hope that they may.
Good luck, boys," he cried. And he sent them away.
--The Lorax referring to the Bar-ba-loots.
Chris White
Zed/Amy wrote:
<snip>
> What they told me was they only asked these emploies to wear a hat while
> at work. I asked if they'd ask the same of men. They said no, they would
> not. This is clearly discrimation.
In customer service industries, it is reasonable to have a dress
code. You don't seem to disagree with that. In this culture,
it is legal to have different dress codes for men and women ...
at this time. As long as it is not taken to extremes, that is
not considered discriminatory. I couldn't make corporate sales
calls in a skirt; might even have to remove my lovely little hoop
from my earlobe. Ah, well.
Back to the point:
I think Chuy's is being uncool, as opposed to doing
anything truly heinous or illegal.
But why should I eat at an uncool place?
Ray Shea
In article <4mb5l6$2...@boris.eden.com>, Queen of Eden <ma...@eden.com> wrote:
>Chuy's corp office number is: 473-2783
>
>manner.
I called and talked to a guy named <something> Crawford. He was very
nice. Said they've been getting lots of calls, and he asked me several
questions and took lots of notes, to make sure he understood my opinion.
Bottom line: they really do seem to care what their customers think
about this issue, so be nice.
Douglas H. Steves
In article <DqsKw...@txnews.amd.com>,Probably the truest thing he's ever written.
Doug
>Right to copy my comments in any form other than netnews and email
>is expressly forbidden, including any form of print or visual
>journalism. This restriction includes any part of my statements
>quoted by anyone anywhere else.
>I retain the right to copyright my statements.
This is more than a bit like a skunk patenting its odor - useful
only if you're trying to offend people. Copyright away, Chuckles.
Bill Huston
: I've been remiss in not eating lunch or
: dinner regularly at your establishment.
: Now that I know that you're going to
: adopt modest, balanced and fair policies
: for your employees,
Forcing only *certain* employees to wear hats, is fair?
: and not knuckle-under
: to the political correctoids
Woah Chuckles! I had political correctoids once, put I took a
suppository and they went away.
: who think
: that any form of behavior regulation
It is not behavior regulation. It is appearance regulation.
Personally, if a waitperson is clean and plesant, I don't
much care what they look like.
I think the reason that many people get tattos/piercings/
wierd hair, is to make a statement about the superficiality
of looks, and is a challange for you to look past the
weirdness and to discover the person inside. Leave
it to Chuckles to espouse the voice of hate and judgement.
If you didn't exist Chuck, austin.general would need to invent
you, just to provide balance of views ;^)
: in a private business is anathema,
: I'll be eating at your establishment much,
: much more frequently.
: Thank you for sparing me from having to
: lose my appetite while spending my hard-earned
: money on food at your private business establishment,
: only to have that food served
: to me by some multi-body-part pierced, multi-color-hair-dyed,
: almost-hairless-headed, braided-hair-armpitted
: androgen with dirty feet encapsulated in
: tattered Birkenstocks,
If you weren't so filled with hate, Charles, perhaps these
very normal variations on humanness wouldn't make you
lose your appetite. (you know, HUMANness, Charles? The
race that you belong to?)
I doubt you have seen a waitperson at Chuy's with dirty
feet, and even if you did, so what? Feet get dirty because
they touch the ground, but then, so do shoes. Do dirty
shoes make you lose your appetite too? Perhaps you have an
eating disorder and should seek treatment. For the eating
disorder, I mean ;^)
: who thinks that it
: is my job in life to be there to see that
: unlike the rest of us, they don't have
: to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
Charles, your vitriolic views MOST CERTAINLY do not
represent the norm, thank god.
Olin Murrell
James Monro wrote:
>
> Charles Herrick (charles...@cyberdigm.com) wrote:
>
> snip
> : unlike the rest of us, they don't have
> : to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
>
> Charles,
> I'm sure we would ALL love to hear your definition of social
> norms. Could you enlighten us?
Oh God! James, don't ask him THAT!
Oops! Too late.
--
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Austin, TX
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http://www.realtime.com/~olin
Aaron Evans
Charles Herrick wrote:
> Oh, by the way. I'll be there on May 11
> to show the Lesbian Avengers, who've decided
> to completely overreact and picket your
> store(s), that if marginalizing your
> special-interest group is the point in life,
> they take the cake.
Charles, you are so full of yourself. Of course, I have
studied your many postings and you seem to feel that you
always have the definite answer on social problems (this isn't
political, BTW).
FYI, this isn't a lesbian issue. It may be a feminist issue,
however. The case is that Chuy's is holding men and women to
different standards.
You could never possibly relate, being a WASP male. I wish
someone would zap you back in time to a place where your
religion isn't popular... then we'll see how you outlook is.
But back to the point.
Opposite to what you stated in your post (which I cut), body
piercing, hair color, and Birkenstocks are not involved, Mr.
So-self-righteous-that-it-is-alright-to-lie. Is it Chuy's
right to ban short hair? Yes. It's our obligation, as a
community, to fight it however.
Except you; you shall not fight. You are obviously threatened
by women with short hair... no other explaination. My GF has
short hair, btw, so I know that women with short hair are
great! I'm sorry that your limited world-view is so narrow
that you can only except things that fit into a very strict
mold. But that's your misfortune, not ours.
--
free speech applies only to those who agree with me.
aaron evans
Aaron Evans
I just went ahead and cut Terry's entire post.
This is the point of community boy-cott.
The government doesn't have any business setting morals. It
is our obligation to speak out against things we do not agree
with.
You seem to think that we feel that Chuy's doesn't have the
right to tell their employees what to do. This is wrong.
Chuy's has the right to tell employees to do whatever. It is
our obligation, as the community, to speak out against what
Chuy's is doing.
Do you get the point yet? Chuy's can do whatever it wants.
It isn't the government's business to say otherwise. If
citizens don't raise their voice, who does? That IS the point
of capitalism, you know? Vote with your dollars?
Lars Eighner
In our last episode <Dqst...@txnews.amd.com>,
Broadcast on austin.general,austin.food
The lovely and talented charles...@cyberdigm.com (Charles Herrick) wrote:
>Those "other groups" are a bunch of wackos called
>"Lesbian Avengers"
Speaking of which, the last time I had a chance, Tom Doyal
got ahead of me in line and bought the last XXXL Lesbian
Avenger T-shirt they had. I'd dearly love to have one.
Does anyone know where I can get one.
BTW, if the Lesbain Avengers give you the willies, don't
even ask about La Familia.
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In article <DqsKw...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@cyberdigm.com says...
>Now that I know that you're going to
>adopt modest, balanced and fair policies
>for your employees, and not knuckle-under
>to the political correctoids who think
>that any form of behavior regulation
>in a private business is anathema,
So I take it you'd have no problem with your employer requiring
you to grow your hair down to your ass.
Perhaps you don't consider this to be a fair analogy. If so, that's
because you're an idiot.
-Joe Newman
James Monro
terrymoore
In article <318940...@mailserv.bga.com>, Zed/Amy <wil...@mailserv.bga.com> says:
>
>Terry,
>
>Greatings, old friend, thought you'd fallen off the planet. Rebut to
>your last 'bout Chuy's:
>
>Carefull, folks might start to think you're a leftest liberal. Like me.
>I called the folks at Chuy's HQ.
>at work. I asked if they'd ask the same of men. They said no, they would
>not. This is clearly discrimation.
>
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You betcha your boots its discrimination!!! Just because a person
gets an idea for a business and it becomes a big success is no reason
why he/she should make any rules for how the business is operated.
Hells Bells!! If the employees want to appear outlandishly and greet
the customers with "Trick or Treat!!" instead of "What'll you have?",
the bosses have no business whatsoever infringing on their freedom
of expression!!!
Hooters is no better than the rest. They should have one g-string
attired beefcake serving chicken wings for every cheescake beauty
on the premises. Man alive!! That oughta pack the crowds in!!! What
do those bosses know about making money???
Yessireee Bob. Those employees know whats best for business. In fact,
they know so much that I am mystified as to why they don't just stretch
a 2 x 6 across a couple of saw-horses and go into competition against
their mean employers. (They could run an extension cord from the
nearest U'Totem and bum a hot plate from Goodwill.)
Terry in Pflugerville
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Earl Cooley III
charles...@cyberdigm.com (Charles Herrick) wrote:
[...]
>Thank you for sparing me from having to
>lose my appetite while spending my hard-earned
>money on food at your private business establishment,
>only to have that food served
>to me by some multi-body-part pierced, multi-color-hair-dyed,
>almost-hairless-headed, braided-hair-armpitted
>androgen with dirty feet encapsulated in
>tattered Birkenstocks, who thinks that it
>is my job in life to be there to see that
>unlike the rest of us, they don't have
>to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
[...]
You know, for a minute there, it sounded like you were talking about Kerbey
Lane; at least with them, you have a choice between the campus-area site with
the employees as you have described (and background music that sounds like Yoko
Ono on steroids), and the yuppified site up north that features more
normal-looking employees. Of course, it has been a while since the last time I
went to KL, so things may have changed since then.
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terrymoore
In article <31894CD9...@mail.utexas.edu>, Aaron Evans
>
>The case is that Chuy's is holding men and women to
>different standards.
**************************************************************
By golly!!! You are ever so right!!
The managers of Chuy's should be hanged, drawn, and quartered for having
gender oriented restrooms!!
Cheers.
Terry in Pflugerville
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terrymoore
In article <31893cd7...@newshost.cc.utexas.edu>,
>:
>I hope your being ironic on the first part of your statement!
>
>Yahoo!
>
>Skippy lives............
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Hey Skippy!!!! I think this settles our 15% tip discussion once and for
all.
With the servers making themselves up so outlandishly, all the customers
need to do is leave a few pieces of Halloween candy or maybe a
popcorn ball!!!
Cheers.
Terry in Pflugerville
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Roberta and Craig Becker
Aaron Evans (aaron...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
...
: FYI, this isn't a lesbian issue. It may be a feminist issue,
: however. The case is that Chuy's is holding men and women to
: different standards.
Is this unusual? It's been going on for years, the last time I
looked. In fact, I remember a time not so long ago when lots of
businesses discriminated against men with long hair, but women
were allowed to grow their hair as long as they wanted to. In
fact, this kind of thing still happens today...I rather doubt
I could get my long-haired self hired as a waiter at, say, TGI
Friday's.
This sounds to me like the proverbial mountain out of a molehill: I
suspect that someone at Chuy's simply screwed up, word spread,
voices were raised in outrage, and from the posts in this thread,
it sounds like Chuy's is, surprise surprise, listening to their
customers. I except that they'll probably amend their policy and
everything will go back to normal.
But honestly...I could care less about the hair code at the place;
I'd eat there regardless.
Craig
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In article <4mbjnf$l...@anarchy.io.com>, James Monro <mo...@io.com> wrote:
>Charles Herrick (charles...@cyberdigm.com) wrote:
>: to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
>
>norms. Could you enlighten us?
Isn't he that guy on Cheers? Very sociable fella.
Ray Shea
In article <4mbc0h$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
terrymoore <terry...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
>ultimate enlightened city where the employees make all the rules?!?!?
Are you feeling calmer now?
Lots of Chuys customers like the place because of its supposed irreverent
attitude and atmosphere. If they start making the waitstaff all dress
like little Jehovah's Witnesses, then the character of the place is
going to change.
And it is the ultimate right of the customer to complain about a
degradation in quality of an establishment that they frequent. I
thought even you understood that.
Besides that, it's just basically unfair to make the women cover up
their unusual hairstyles, when men with similiarly unusual hairstyles
go unreprimanded.
>Even the lowest skid-row bum knows that the only role the boss plays
>in running a business is writing the paychecks and keeping his/her
>mouth shut otherwise.
Oh, please dry up. You're making a fool of yourself.
Tim Serpas
terrymoore <terry...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>In article <31894CD9...@mail.utexas.edu>, Aaron Evans
>
>By golly!!! You are ever so right!!
>
>The managers of Chuy's should be hanged, drawn, and quartered for having
>gender oriented restrooms!!
>
Hey, at Mojo's Daily Grind they have two generic WCs: "Hi, I'm a
restroom..." "...and so am I!"
As long as us fellas have the decency to aim, I don't see a problem.
"I think it's time you took a swim in Lake You."
Tim Serpas
wre...@io.com
Scott Sexton
In article <jojo-02059...@slip-14-2.ots.utexas.edu>,
jo...@mail.utexas.edu says...
>> Chuy's corp office number is: 473-2783
Fax # 473-8684
Corporate Address
Chuy's Comida Deluxe
1623 Toomey Road
Austin TX 78704
Not wanting to step on anyones toes but WTF.
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In article <jojo-02059...@slip-14-2.ots.utexas.edu>,
jo...@mail.utexas.edu says...
> Chuy's corp office number is: 473-2783
>Anyone have their fax number?
Fax # 473-8684
Corporate Address
Chuy's Comida Deluxe
1623 Toomey Road
Austin TX 78704
Not wanting to step on anyones toes but WTF.
Joe Newman
In article <4mbjnf$l...@anarchy.io.com>, mo...@io.com says...
>: to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
>
>Charles,
>I'm sure we would ALL love to hear your definition of social
>norms. Could you enlighten us?
I suspect the definition would include zero or one sex
positions, and lots of white people saying "Have a nice day"
while consuming merchandise at an Arboretum superstore.
-Joe Newman
Elektra
terry...@mail.utexas.edu (terrymoore) wrote:
>In article <31894CD9...@mail.utexas.edu>, Aaron Evans
><aaron...@mail.utexas.edu> says:
>>
>>The case is that Chuy's is holding men and women to
>>different standards.
>**************************************************************
>By golly!!! You are ever so right!!
>The managers of Chuy's should be hanged, drawn, and quartered for having
>gender oriented restrooms!!
>Cheers.
>Terry in Pflugerville
>******************************************************************
>
ROTFLMAO!
Gender oriented restrooms is not the issue here, by golly!
Elektra c[ ]
Chris White
Aaron Evans wrote:
>
[Addressed to Mr. Herrick]
> You could never possibly relate, being a WASP male. I wish
> someone would zap you back in time to a place where your
> religion isn't popular... then we'll see how you outlook is.
> But back to the point.
True enough, those of us who are viewed as WASP males don't
know what it's like to be viewed as something else. But
some LWM (Living White Males) do make at least a bit of an
effort to allow for the possibility that there's a whole,
beautiful, weird world out there.
I don't think WASP-bashing is particularly pretty either,
Aaron.
Elektra
sh...@silver.mcc.com (Ray Shea) wrote:
>In article <4mbc0h$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
>terrymoore <terry...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
*Snip*
"Blah, Blah, Blah"
>Oh, please dry up. You're making a fool of yourself.
BRAVO!!! *standing and applauding your directness*
Elektra c[ ]
Charles Herrick
In article <E6VixAwZ...@io.com>, eig...@io.com (Lars Eighner) wrote:
>In our last episode <Dqst...@txnews.amd.com>,
>Broadcast on austin.general,austin.food
>The lovely and talented charles...@cyberdigm.com (Charles Herrick)
wrote:
>
>>Those "other groups" are a bunch of wackos called
>>"Lesbian Avengers"
>
>Speaking of which, the last time I had a chance, Tom Doyal
>got ahead of me in line and bought the last XXXL Lesbian
>Avenger T-shirt they had. I'd dearly love to have one.
>Does anyone know where I can get one.
You can be at Chuy's on May 11 (Saturday) when
the Lesbo Avengers plan to picket the restaurant.
I'm sure if they're wearing anything on their upper
torso at all, they'll be willing to sell it to you.
By the way, according to the AAS, none of the 3
women who will have to wear hats in order to keep
waiting tables belong to the Lesbo Avengers, and
one of them said she can't figure out why the
group wants to have anything to do with the
issue.
Me, I'm putting together a large group of folk
to have lunch at Chuy's on Saturday. I hope
to do my part to make May 11 the biggest day
on Chuy's books.
>BTW, if the Lesbain Avengers give you the willies, don't
>even ask about La Familia.
>
>
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I speak for no one but myself at all times.
Charles Herrick
In article <4mbeah$l...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
dc...@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (David M. Cook) wrote:
>In article <4mbc0h$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
>terrymoore <terry...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>conduct for their employees!!!
>
>*requiring* food workers wear long hair
Not food workers, female waitresses.
According to the AAS article, Chuy's will let their employees
wear hair of any length and color, and pierce any body part,
but if the employee wants to wait on customers, the employee
has to observe a "more constrained" standard of appearance.
And that standard of appearance, when it comes to hair length,
is different for male waiters than it is for female waitresses...
as it should be.
>(well, longer than a buzz cut) is
>definitely stupid -- I'll exercise my right to stay away.
>
>Dave Cook
Charles Herrick
In article <318940...@mailserv.bga.com>,
Zed/Amy <wil...@mailserv.bga.com> wrote:
>Terry,
>
>Greatings, old friend, thought you'd fallen off the planet. Rebut to
>your last 'bout Chuy's:
>
>Carefull, folks might start to think you're a leftest liberal. Like me.
>talked about reasonable apperance and responability on both parts. I got
>the impression that they want a (reasonable dress code) Yes such a thing
>does exist. What they may do is make a policy that sez word to the
>effect:
>
>No one, male or female, shall have an extremly eccenctrict apperance,
>i.e. hair styles like mohawks, shaved, or odd and unusual collor.
>
>What they told me was they only asked these emploies to wear a hat while
>at work. I asked if they'd ask the same of men. They said no, they would
>not. This is clearly discrimation.
Wrong. Even in the AAS article, some spokesdroid for the ACLU
confirmed that dress standards for waitresses that differ from
dress standards for waiters is _NOT_ discrimiation, and is
completely legal.
> While there are those that think we should treat women different
>from men or viseversa,
Women are different from men, and vice versa.
>Chuy's does seem to be aware of the possible
>consequnces of such behavior and stated that they did not want to treat
>anyone better or poorer because of any reason.
>(please excues poor spelling as I learn'd to spell on my own)
Not better. Not poorer. Different.
It's a private business, many of whose customers aren't
there to participate in the personal expression of the
wait staff, but to spend their own money and enjoy
a lunch without having to have someone's controversial
lifestyle shoved down the customers throat along with
the enchiladas.
Have another margarita and get over it.
Aaron Evans
James Monro wrote:
> Charles,
> I'm sure we would ALL love to hear your definition of social
> norms. Could you enlighten us?
Charles subscribes to the hegemonious view of norms. His
norms should be YOUR norms. ;)
The Masked Marauder
>You know, for a minute there, it sounded like you were talking about Kerbey
>Lane; at least with them, you have a choice between the campus-area site with
>the employees as you have described (and background music that sounds like Yoko
>Ono on steroids), and the yuppified site up north that features more
>normal-looking employees...
That's not Yoko Ono on steroids! That's the song of the humpbacked whale,
as performed by Smashing Pumpkins. Sheesh. If you're going to make musical
citations, at least get them right! ;)
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In article <4mbh4n$l...@anarchy.io.com>, mo...@io.com (James Monro) wrote:
>terrymoore (terry...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
>:
>: How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards of
>
>Didn't get online to post the details befor Jojo did(thanx Jojo)
>
>One problem is that there is NO written policy on hairstyles for
>women, and no policy whatsoever aimed at guys.
Please show me where in the Constitution it says that
all private restaurants must have a written policy on
hairstyles for women, and a commensurate written policy
for guys.
While you're at it, maybe with their recent decision, Chuy's
is creating just such a policy.
Look, it's a privately owned business selling a product
to the public, for most of whom, eating is a primary
point, as opposed one secondary to participating in the
controversial sel-expressionism of the wait staff.
>It's all very
>arbitrary. In a place that has a tradition of 'anythinig goes,
>just do your job well,' it's quite sad to see.
>
>Does Chuy's management have the right to conduct business in any
>way they see fit? Certainly, and without a doubt.
>
>If I wanted to be in an atmosphere that suited Charles H's tastes, I'd go
>to Luby's or Sonic or Taco Hell.
Ah, yes. Let's demonize Charles. Instead of refuting his points,
let's imply with slimy innuendo that he dines at places like
Lubys, Sonic, and Taco Bell.
By the way, have you ever thought of doing something about that
extremely classist, "I'm so much better than the masses in
my country" attitude of yours. It really shines brightly when
you choose to lump people into hardwired categories based on
their choice of eating establishments.... many of which I'd bet
you yourself have been in, by the way.
>BTW, Charles, have you ever even BEEN to
>Chuy's. If you did go once, I'm sure it gave you the hives being around
>all those non-straight-ticket-republicans.
Oh yeah, been there many times. Going to go there twice as often.
Going there Saturday, May 11, to offer the price of my meal (along
with my 20% tip) in counterpoint to the Lesbo Avengers, who will
be picketing that day.
Oh, by the way. Next time you're in Chuy's, look around. See that guy
with the earing, longish hair, tattoos, and a "support live music
in Austin" T-shirt? How do you know he's not a Republican?-)
(by the way, it won't be me. I can qualify on all the counts except
for the longish hair. I got into cutting mine:-)
>So, I'll just vote with my $$$, and take it elsewhere else. I look
>forward to being able to return.
Please don't. The lines at Chuys are way too long.
I look forward to waiting only 1/2 hour for those enchiladas.
Charles Herrick
miswit
Charles Herrick (charles...@cyberdigm.com) wrote:
: And that standard of appearance, when it comes to hair length,
: is different for male waiters than it is for female waitresses...
: as it should be.
Why?
shawn kevin rutledge
What Chucky-baby left out:
>An open letter to Chuy's:
>
>I've been remiss in not eating lunch or
>dinner regularly at your establishment.
Because I spend most of my time at home alone flaming people who scare me
cuz they're so different...
>
>Now that I know that you're going to
>adopt modest, balanced and fair policies
>for your employees, and not knuckle-under
>to the political correctoids who think
and will instead follow the political hemmoroids...
>that any form of behavior regulation
>in a private business is anathema,
>I'll be eating at your establishment much,
>much more frequently.
instead of Joe Bob Billy's Kountry Kookin' where we have bigoted joke
night...
>
>Thank you for sparing me from having to
>lose my appetite while spending my hard-earned
and the embarrassing erections I get when girls look like boys...
>unlike the rest of us, they don't have
>to be subject to any social norms whatsoever.
or conform to my world-squint...everyone would be better off if they were
bitter and repressed like me...
>
>MMMMMmmmm.... I'm looking forward
>to that New Mexico Enchilada special.
>
>Oh, by the way. I'll be there on May 11
I'll be the guy in the white sheet embroidered with swastikas...
>to show the Lesbian Avengers, who've decided
>to completely overreact and picket your
>store(s), that if marginalizing your
>special-interest group is the point in life,
>they take the cake.
>
>---
>My comments above are offered solely as my personal opinions.
>I speak for no one but myself at all times.
>Right to copy my comments in any form other than netnews and email
>is expressly forbidden, including any form of print or visual
>journalism. This restriction includes any part of my statements
>quoted by anyone anywhere else.
>I retain the right to copyright my statements.
and I retain the right to giggle at them. Listen, Chuy's if this guy is
the market share you're looking for with the new policy, count me out. I
love your food and many of my friends and I eat there regularly, and
unlike most conservatives, we tip well. I won't eat there and support
your hair policy, and more importantly, I don't want my dinner ruined by
having to listen to the bigoted jerk next to me.
Carl Dahlberg
Charles Herrick wrote:
>
> In article <4mbeah$l...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> dc...@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (David M. Cook) wrote:
> >In article <4mbc0h$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
>
> And that standard of appearance, when it comes to hair length,
> is different for male waiters than it is for female waitresses...
> as it should be.
>
Please excuse my laughing.... but why should hair length differ
based on what gender you are? I frequently eat at Chuy's and know
first hand that many of the male waiters have long hair. Why then,
shouldn't the reverse be true when considering your opinion Chuckie?
Should they also restrict the many Chuy's male waiters that wear
earrings from doing so?
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Carmart
I really didn't know anyone ate here! I hate the food! Anyone who
doesn't take the time to properly make spanish rice will not get my
business! If I wanted Rice-A roni imitation spanish rice, I would go by
HEB.
This hair policy confirms my disgust for this restaurant.
Esme Longoria
Ray Shea (sh...@silver.mcc.com) wrote:
:
: It is definitely sad and depressing that Mr. Young wants nothing but
: bowheads and mall hair at his Denny's....er, uh, I mean Chuys restuarants.
:
: --
Benjamin Sloan
In article <Dqu3G...@txnews.amd.com>,
Charles Herrick <charles...@cyberdigm.com> wrote:
>...
>Oh yeah, been there many times. Going to go there twice as often.
>Going there Saturday, May 11, to offer the price of my meal (along
>with my 20% tip) in counterpoint to the Lesbo Avengers, who will
>be picketing that day.
You mean you actually let Missus Herrick out of the kitchen once
in a while? Or does she stay home and feed the kids while you
go out to dinner with your buddies from the bowling league?
All hail obedience,
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Charles Herrick wrote:
>
> In article <4mbh4n$l...@anarchy.io.com>, mo...@io.com (James Monro) wrote:
> Look, it's a privately owned business selling a product
> to the public, for most of whom, eating is a primary
> point, as opposed one secondary to participating in the
> controversial sel-expressionism of the wait staff.
Mr. Herrick, if you would do austin.general the courtesy of
reading posts that you reply to, you would realize that Mr. Monro
never contested Chuy's rights as a private business. (see
below) That's not the point, and only you and Mr. Moore are still
flogging that all-but-petrified horse.
See, Mr. Herrick, Mr Monro does not contest Chuy's rights as
a business. *Pay Attention to Others as well as Yourself*
> >Does Chuy's management have the right to conduct business in any
> >way they see fit? Certainly, and without a doubt.
---
> Oh, by the way. Next time you're in Chuy's, look around. See that guy
> with the earing, longish hair, tattoos, and a "support live music
> in Austin" T-shirt? How do you know he's not a Republican?-)
>
> (by the way, it won't be me. I can qualify on all the counts except
> for the longish hair. I got into cutting mine:-)
Cool, Mr. Herrick. I am *very* curious: what sorta tattoo do
you sport? And is that earring in the left or right earlobe?
:-)^2
Reggie
Whow! this is hard to beleive. Employees make the rules? The guy or girl who
writes the check should have every right to make the rules. If you don't like
his or her rules or can't except them, find another job.
Bill Huston
miswit (mis...@bga.com) wrote:
: Charles Herrick (charles...@cyberdigm.com) wrote:
: : And that standard of appearance, when it comes to hair length,
: : is different for male waiters than it is for female waitresses...
: : as it should be.
: Why?
Because Charles is evidently confused about his sexual identity, and
he feels that if he and every man wears his hair short, and if all
women wear their hair long, that everything "just seems more right",
and it's easier for him to hide his "tendencies". Now if guys have
long hair and girls have short hair, and poor Chuckles starts getting
"aroused" by the "wrong" gender, well then he just starts a-quivering,
and begins praying to his masculine god to come down and destroy this
wicked place, that is the source of such impure thoughts. ;^)
Just funnin' witja, Chuckie! Lighten up, huh?
You should really listen to more Reggae music, Charles. If you did,
you'd be exposed to the notions that we are all kin, living on and
sharing of this One World, and we should love our brothers and sisters
no matter what they look like, because love is what we would want for
ourselves. You want to be loved, don't you, Charlie darling? ;^)
Peace!
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How about: The customer is always right. If I don't like
a business' rules, I'll take my $$ elsewhere.
That's pretty much what all the boycotters have been saying.
It's only the antiboycott force that confuses our distaste
with Chuy's actions with our denying their right to alienate
their customers.
RTFP.
(Read The Frevious Posts)
Ray Shea
In article <318A0A...@tpoint.net>, Reggie <rwor...@tpoint.net> wrote:
>Whow! this is hard to beleive. Employees make the rules? The guy or girl who
>writes the check should have every right to make the rules. If you don't like
>his or her rules or can't except them, find another job.
And if the customers don't like like the rules or can't accept them,
they'll find another restaurant.
Fortunately, Chuys seems to understand this. Since you apparently don't,
I suppose it's a good thing you're not in the restaurant biz.
Jojo
> Whow! this is hard to beleive. Employees make the rules? The guy or girl who
> writes the check should have every right to make the rules. If you don't like
> his or her rules or can't except them, find another job.
I don't think anyone here has actually challenged the authority of Chuy's
management to enforce their chosen dress code. Indeed, I think that the
main objection to the chosen dress code is that it signals a departure
from the wacky, off-beat, diverse-out-the-wazoo restaurant that it once
was.
Once upon a time, when I worked for Chuy's (with my long hair and converse
lowtops), the management prided itself on running a restaurant that
employed and attracted all types of people. My manager once remarked that
Chuy's was unique in that it was common to have a booth full of bikers
next to a table full of bowheads and both would be served by some other
freak.
I guess now, if they still go to Chuy's, they'll get served by Barbie.
Jojo.
terrymoore
In article <Dqu2L...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@cyberdigm.com
>
>Me, I'm putting together a large group of folk
>to have lunch at Chuy's on Saturday. I hope
>to do my part to make May 11 the biggest day
>on Chuy's books.
My wife and I will arrive at the Chuy's on Barton Springs Road
about 6:00PM, May 11th. Hope to see you there.
Terry in Pflugerville
*******************************************************************
Aaron Evans
miswit wrote:
>
> Charles Herrick (charles...@cyberdigm.com) wrote:
> : And that standard of appearance, when it comes to hair length,
> : is different for male waiters than it is for female waitresses...
> : as it should be.
>
> Why?
Because that is the specified norm for our culture. Actually,
for Charles' culture. He doesn't realize that to other
people, hair is not important, and to yet others, a woman's
short hair is a must!
This is what we know. By the "standard of appearance" in
Charles' culture, there are specifications on hair length
based on gender.
Charles says that this is as it should be.
Charles is saying that his culture's norm is as it should be.
He accused me of twisting the truth when I called him
culturally hegemonious; now I'm even more convinced.
Hegemonious isn't really the ideal word, though. What I want
is something closer to ethnocentric. Can someone tell me a
word that meaning is like ethnocentric but relative no culture
and not ethnicity?
Chris White
terrymoore wrote:
>
> In article <Dqu2L...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@cyberdigm.com
> (Charles Herrick) says:
>
> >
> >Me, I'm putting together a large group of folk
> >to have lunch at Chuy's on Saturday. I hope
> >to do my part to make May 11 the biggest day
> >on Chuy's books.
>
> *********************************************************************
>
> My wife and I will arrive at the Chuy's on Barton Springs Road
> about 6:00PM, May 11th. Hope to see you there.
>
> Terry in Pflugerville
What IS your point, Mr. Moore?
If you're supporting Chuy's right to have a dress code,
fine. I think 99% of the people posting on this thread
agree with you. BFD.
But from your tone, it almost seems that you
are just protesting that other people are protesting.
To me, that seems silly. Well within your rights, of
course, but silly. In the great pseudoconservative
archcontrarian tradition of certain a.g celeb's, I
reckon.
If you really want to support places with oppressive
dress codes, I suggest you dine at Mickey D's, instead.
They have a legal, sex-specific dress code that their
clients support.
To show their support for the rights of all
employers to adopt absurd rules not supported by
the core of their customer base, maybe some famous
denizens of a.g will buzz their heads: as males,
they would still be eligible for employ by Chuy's!
Wouldn't that frost the jaws of those danged
Lesbian Avengers!
David M. Cook
In article <Dqu2q...@txnews.amd.com>,
Charles Herrick <charles...@cyberdigm.com> wrote:
>Not food workers, female waitresses.
The still carry the food out to tables. Long hairs can still end up in
my enchilada.
>According to the AAS article, Chuy's will let their employees
>wear hair of any length and color, and pierce any body part,
>but if the employee wants to wait on customers, the employee
>has to observe a "more constrained" standard of appearance.
I saw a short interview with one of the "short-haired" female employees
on the news the other day. She was a charming, personable young lady
with a lovely smile. Nothing "un-constrained" about her except her
pleasantness. I'd be quite pleased to have her as as my wait person.
Actually, I think you would, too. You can't possibly be as much of a
dickhead as you make yourself out to be.
Dave Cook
Earl Cooley III
big...@ccsi.com (The Masked Marauder) wrote:
>In article <4mbm93$6...@nntp-1.io.com>, sh...@io.com (Earl Cooley III) wrote:
>>You know, for a minute there, it sounded like you were talking about Kerbey
>>Lane; at least with them, you have a choice between the campus-area site with
>>the employees as you have described (and background music that sounds like Yoko
>>Ono on steroids), and the yuppified site up north that features more
>>normal-looking employees...
>That's not Yoko Ono on steroids! That's the song of the humpbacked whale,
>as performed by Smashing Pumpkins. Sheesh. If you're going to make musical
>citations, at least get them right! ;)
Yeah, the next time I want to test my strength of character by keeping my food
down while listening to Shamu's big brother humping Yoko Ono, I'll certainly
return to Kerbey Lane. heh.
--
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Joe Newman
In article <Dqu3v...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@cyberdigm.com
says...
>
>In article <4mbk13$s...@news3.realtime.net>,
> gun...@bga.com (Joe Newman) wrote:
>>In article <DqsKw...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@cyberdigm.com
says...
>>
>>>adopt modest, balanced and fair policies
>>>for your employees, and not knuckle-under
>>>to the political correctoids who think
>>>in a private business is anathema,
>>
>>you to grow your hair down to your ass.
>>
>>Perhaps you don't consider this to be a fair analogy. If so, that's
>>because you're an idiot.
>
>No, it's because it's a completely inept analogy.
Whatever makes you happy, Chuckie-boy. Now go
jerk off on the flag.
-Joe Newman
terrymoore
In article <Dqt70...@mcc.com>, sh...@silver.mcc.com (Ray Shea) says:
>
>Are you feeling calmer now?
>
>Lots of Chuys customers like the place because of its supposed irreverent
>attitude and atmosphere. If they start making the waitstaff all dress
>like little Jehovah's Witnesses, then the character of the place is
>going to change.
>
>Oh, please dry up. You're making a fool of yourself.
>
Well shoot Ray. Here I try to be sympathetic toward the liberal side
of the equation and this is the thanks I get. There just ain't no justice
in this world.
Jehovah's Witnesses?!?! What sort of hair-do's do they sport? I am
Buddhist and that pretty well sums up my attitude toward short hair-do's.
But you lost me. Is Chuy's management about to replace all their
wait persons with missionaries? I thought "Trick or Treat" was bad
enough for wait persons but "Are You Saved Brother?" is going too far!!
But,again, I've switched over to the liberal side of the house so I'll
have to readjust my tolerance level.
I enjoy Chuy's. I eat there regularly and will continue to do so unless
the food or service goes to pot.
If the people don't like having a little fun poked at them, they shouldn't
draw attention to themselves.
Terry in Pflugerville
*****************************************************************
terrymoore
In article <Dqu0K...@sig.net>, Elektra says:
>
>ROTFLMAO!
>Gender oriented restrooms is not the issue here, by golly!
>
*********************************************************************
No? I thought discrimination was the issue. Aren't "Separate
but Equal" restrooms a form of discrimination? The Supreme
Court ruled that "Separate but Equal" schools were taboo. Why
doesn't that apply to all other public facilities, including
rest rooms?
Terry in Pflugerville
******************************************************************
Joe Newman
In article <4me0hb$c...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, terry...@mail.utexas.edu
says...
>Terry in Pflugerville
Oh, well that explains everything.
-Joe Newman
terrymoore
In article <318A9C...@mail.utexas.edu>, Chris White
>What IS your point, Mr. Moore?
>
>If you're supporting Chuy's right to have a dress code,
>fine. I think 99% of the people posting on this thread
>agree with you. BFD.
>
>But from your tone, it almost seems that you
>are just protesting that other people are protesting.
>To me, that seems silly.
>
I guess you can classify me as a fence straddler. Sure I believe
that the employees have a right to groom themselves anyway they
please. I also believe that the employers have a right to run
their businesses according to their own personal dictums.
I am a senior citizen and never in my whole life have I ever thought
it was up to me, as an employee, to tell my bosses how to run their
businesses. Sure, my employers have solicited my input. At times, my
ideas have been adopted and at times they have been rejected. In the
end though, there can only be one decision maker.
Terry in Pflugerville
**************************************************************
Joe Newman
In article <4mebmg$m...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, terry...@mail.utexas.edu says...
>I guess you can classify me as a fence straddler.
Or as an asshole.
>Sure I believe
>that the employees have a right to groom themselves anyway they
>please. I also believe that the employers have a right to run
>their businesses according to their own personal dictums.
>
>I am a senior citizen and never in my whole life have I ever thought
>it was up to me, as an employee, to tell my bosses how to run their
>businesses. Sure, my employers have solicited my input. At times, my
>ideas have been adopted and at times they have been rejected. In the
>end though, there can only be one decision maker.
>
>Terry in Pflugerville
Gee, Terry in Pflugerville. I guess if your employer wanted to flick
boogers into your mouth, or make you nail your dick to a tree stump,
that would be okay too. After all, there can only be one decision
maker. If someone's dignity needs to be squelched, what the fuck,
let's get on with it. Especially if it spares some anal retentive
the agony of seeing a woman in short hair. My God, what next?
Women in pants?
Interesting how I didn't see any of you ditto-heads defending
First Texas Honda's right to run ads in gay newspapers against
attacks from the Jesus freaks. Probably because the external
interest group is encouraging oppression rather than freedom.
Nothing frightens a mediocre mind more than the thought that
someone else might not fit some idiotic definition of normalcy.
Flee to Pflugerville. They won't dare come into Luby's.
Chuy's can do whatever they damn well please. Their food has
always sucked anyway.
-Joe Newman
Bill Huston
Joe Newman (gun...@bga.com) wrote:
: If someone's dignity needs to be squelched, what the fuck,
: let's get on with it. Especially if it spares some anal retentive
: the agony of seeing a woman in short hair. My God, what next?
: Women in pants?
: Interesting how I didn't see any of you ditto-heads defending
: First Texas Honda's right to run ads in gay newspapers against
: attacks from the Jesus freaks. Probably because the external
: interest group is encouraging oppression rather than freedom.
: Nothing frightens a mediocre mind more than the thought that
: someone else might not fit some idiotic definition of normalcy.
: Flee to Pflugerville. They won't dare come into Luby's.
Joe! Where have you been! We've missed you! BTW: we all saw that
Booger plug; very crafty. Flee should be Pflee, -5 pts, but you
get extra credit for making the class laugh.
Nice to have you back!
Peace,
Bill
Motorblade
Lesbian Avengers are not wackos. They are motivated people unlike many
people who rant away their time on computer lines and DO nothing about
their beliefs.
terrymoore
In article <4mekd4$g...@news3.realtime.net>, gun...@bga.com
>
>Gee, Terry in Pflugerville. I guess if your employer wanted to flick
>boogers into your mouth, or make you nail your dick to a tree stump,
>that would be okay too. After all, there can only be one decision
>maker.
******************************************************************
I see that you are a scholar of the first order. You'll be a great
leader when you grow up - maybe even on a par with Bill Clinton.
Cheers.
Terry in Pflugerville
*****************************************************************
Dan
Motormouth (motor...@aol.com) wrote:
You forgot: "...and pay $10 a month for 5 hours' access, then $2.95 an hour
after that."
Clayton Colwell
terrymoore (terry...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: In article <318940...@mailserv.bga.com>, Zed/Amy <wil...@mailserv.bga.com> says:
[snip]
: >What they told me was they only asked these emploies to wear a hat while
: >at work. I asked if they'd ask the same of men. They said no, they would
: >not. This is clearly discrimation.
: >
: ***********************************************************************
: You betcha your boots its discrimination!!! Just because a person
: gets an idea for a business and it becomes a big success is no reason
: why he/she should make any rules for how the business is operated.
Hmmm. Well, it seems like an arbitrary rule to me, but, more to the
point, what evidence do you have, Terry, that implies that short-haired
waitresses is harming the profitability of Chuy's?
: Hells Bells!! If the employees want to appear outlandishly and greet
: the customers with "Trick or Treat!!" instead of "What'll you have?",
: the bosses have no business whatsoever infringing on their freedom
: of expression!!!
Kewl. What do you think happens at many establishments during Halloween?
Sheesh.
: Hooters is no better than the rest. They should have one g-string
: attired beefcake serving chicken wings for every cheescake beauty
: on the premises. Man alive!! That oughta pack the crowds in!!! What
: do those bosses know about making money???
Well, gee, that sounds like a bonus to me! Equal opportunity ob-
jectification, I always say!
Truly, Terry, having sexy waiters and waitresses would appeal to a broader
range of customers, eh?
: Yessireee Bob. Those employees know whats best for business. In fact,
: they know so much that I am mystified as to why they don't just stretch
: a 2 x 6 across a couple of saw-horses and go into competition against
: their mean employers. (They could run an extension cord from the
: nearest U'Totem and bum a hot plate from Goodwill.)
City permits, natch.
--
Clay Colwell "Geek love is strong. Geek love rocks!"
(aka StealthSmurf) -- seen in a Doonesbury strip
er...@bga.com
Clayton Colwell
terrymoore (terry...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
: In article <Dqu0K...@sig.net>, Elektra says:
: >
:
:
: >ROTFLMAO!
: >Gender oriented restrooms is not the issue here, by golly!
: >
:
: *********************************************************************
: No? I thought discrimination was the issue. Aren't "Separate
: but Equal" restrooms a form of discrimination? The Supreme
: Court ruled that "Separate but Equal" schools were taboo. Why
: doesn't that apply to all other public facilities, including
: rest rooms?
That's a excellent point, Terry. And, given that unisex bathrooms
have worked quite well in Europe, we have a precedent supporting such
a proposal.
I didn't know you were quite the liberal, Terry.
John
mo...@io.com (James Monro) wrote:
>Dear Chuy's management,
>
>When I first moved to Austin in 1987, Chuy's was the
>first restraunt I was taken to. Great food, great atmosphere,
>and wonderful staff. I have been going there regularly
>ever since, both for business and for not-business. I
>always try to take out of town guests or family members there.
>
>It is with much saddness and no small measure of disgust, that
>I will no longer be a patron of your fine restraunt unless you
>terminate the (for lack of a better word) silly new women's
>hair policyy and issue a public apology to those that you
>have offended, insulted, and alienated.
>
>James Monro -- mo...@io.com -- Austin, TX
>
>
Don't you thonk that an employer has the right to have a dress code? I
work at Circuit City in Corpus Christi and they have a no earring policy
and we must wear suits. Also we are not allowed to have over coller legnth
hair. Any place of business has the right to have a dress code. It comes
down to this. If you want to work, follow their rules . This is a free
country. You have a right to quit your job and find another. I sell video
equipment to mostly older retired people. I want to dress so those people
will want to come back to me again or seek me out. Away from work I have
the right to dress the way I like and wear my earing.
Olin Murrell
> Don't you thonk that an employer has the right to have a dress code?
Here we go again! Of course they have the right to require a dress code.
Nobody in this looooooong thread said they didn't. Are you intimating
that CUSTOMERS don't have the right to disagree with the management of a
business?
I
> work at Circuit City in Corpus Christi and they have a no earring policy
> and we must wear suits.
Even the state of Texas has relaxed the suit and tie rule.
Also we are not allowed to have over coller legnth
> hair. Any place of business has the right to have a dress code.
And, they retain that right, no matter how idiotic it may be. Several
businesses that compete directly with Circuit City here in Austin do not
appear to have been harmed by allowing/requiring their employees to dress
in t-shirts, i.e. Best Buys and CompUSA. I don't know about you, but when
I go to buy something, knowledge of the product, friendliness and
apparent honesty are much more important to me than whether the sales
person is wearing a tie!
It comes
> down to this. If you want to work, follow their rules . This is a free
> country. You have a right to quit your job and find another. I sell video
> equipment to mostly older retired people. I want to dress so those people
> will want to come back to me again or seek me out. Away from work I have
> the right to dress the way I like and wear my earing.
Some of the most bizzare dressers I've ever seen are "older retired
people." They've finally earned the right to tell the rest of the
so-called civilized world to go pound sand. I congratulate them, but I
notice one of the first things to go when one retires, is the abominable
necktie, perhaps the most useless and uncomfortable acoutrement mankind
has ever devised, save perhaps for the girdle.
It might be wise to question which is more important, productivity or
wearing apparel.
--
Olin Murrell
Austin, TX
ol...@bga.com
http://www.realtime.com/~olin
terrymoore
In article <4mffu2$b...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
>
>In article <4mekd4$g...@news3.realtime.net>, gun...@bga.com
>(Joe Newman) says:
>>
>
>>Gee, Terry in Pflugerville. I guess if your employer wanted to flick
>>boogers into your mouth, or make you nail your dick to a tree stump,
>>that would be okay too. After all, there can only be one decision
>>maker.
>
>******************************************************************
You, know - - I thing you are right. Instead of straddling the fence,
I should be taking sides with the employees. Things have changed since
I was the age of today's bosses. I rather imagine that booger flicking
and dick nailing are pretty much common place these days.
It amazes me how the bosses manage to find employees willing to condone
the booger flicking and dick nailing but somehow I guess that they do.
Say!!! Hmmmmm?!?! Now you've got me wondering about the mentality of
the servers who put up with that sort of treatment. I imagine that the
bosses who inflict that type treatment are in plentiful supply. It
follows, then, that servers willing to put up with it are also in
plentiful supply.
Gives me a lot to think about.
Terry in Pflugerville
********************************************************************
terrymoore
In article <318D2A...@bga.com>, Olin Murrell <ol...@bga.com> says:
>Some of the most bizzare dressers I've ever seen are "older retired
>people." They've finally earned the right to tell the rest of the
>so-called civilized world to go pound sand. I congratulate them, but I
>notice one of the first things to go when one retires, is the abominable
>necktie, perhaps the most useless and uncomfortable acoutrement mankind
>has ever devised, save perhaps for the girdle.
*****************************************************************
The necktie has one good purpose. It seems like last year on
"Coming Out Day", all homosexuals agreed to wear necties (shen appearing
in public) to identify themselves. That sure beats having a red tattoo
on the forhead.
Terry in Pflugerville
*********************************************************************
Olin Murrell
terrymoore wrote:
>
> In article <318D2A...@bga.com>, Olin Murrell <ol...@bga.com> says:
>
> >Some of the most bizzare dressers I've ever seen are "older retired
> >people." They've finally earned the right to tell the rest of the
> >so-called civilized world to go pound sand. I congratulate them, but I
> >notice one of the first things to go when one retires, is the abominable
> >necktie, perhaps the most useless and uncomfortable acoutrement mankind
> >has ever devised, save perhaps for the girdle.
>
>
> *****************************************************************
>
> The necktie has one good purpose. It seems like last year on
> "Coming Out Day", all homosexuals agreed to wear necties (shen appearing
> in public) to identify themselves. That sure beats having a red tattoo
> on the forhead.
>
Heh! Heh!
I actually witnessed the necktie's only known "good" use today in
traffic. There I was, driving down Lamar, behind a non-descript little
red car, toting a folded up lawnmower in its itty bitty trunk. They were
using a striped tie to hold the trunk lid down.
terrymoore
In article <4mhghp$c...@news3.realtime.net>, er...@bga.com
>
>I didn't know you were quite the liberal, Terry.
>
>--
>Clay Colwell
********************************************************************
I am the epitome of liberalism. I invented the word "Liberal".
The issue about Chuy's concerns personal grooming - specifically
the length of feminine hair. Now, I don't think anyone can argue that
there can be extremes in grooming or that those extremese can go either
way. The way I see things is that the servers are the ones in direct
contact with the public and the servers depend on the publics generosity
(tips) for their livlihood. The servers are most likely to groom
themselves to please their customers in order to entice optimum
tipping. On the other hand, bosses are rarely in contact with the
customers in the restaurants. All they do it keep an eye on the books
and write the paychecks. The bosses are out of tune with what pleases
the customers. Unlike the servers, who need the customers for their
groceries, lodging, and transportation, the business is merely a hobby
to the bosses. Running the Chuy's chain of restaurant is merely a pastime
to the bosses, like a game of Monopoly.
Clearly, a line needs to be drawn regarding the extremes of grooming.
But where that line is to be drawn should be a decision of the employees
exclusively and management should stay out of it- - it's none of their
- - - - - - - (business?).
Yes Clay,
I am a true, blue, liberal.
Terry in Pflugerville
*****************************************************************
terrymoore
In article <4mjo9e$9...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
>The bosses are out of tune with what pleases
>the customers. Unlike the servers, who need the customers for their
>groceries, lodging, and transportation, the business is merely a hobby
>to the bosses. Running the Chuy's chain of restaurant is merely a pastime
>to the bosses, like a game of Monopoly.
*****************************************************************
I received an e-mail regarding the above part of my previous post. The
correspondent said that he/she was an ex-employee of Chuy's and could
testify that the people waiting tables, mopping floors, cleaning
up baby spills, etc., could as likely be a manager as a bonafide
wait person.
So, if that is true - and I believe that it is - then it was
glorified wait persons (managers) who made the decision to wear
caps over the buzz hair cuts. Like I've been saying all along,
the decision should be left to those waiting the tables and that seems
to be what has happened. So - - - Where's the Beef??
Terry in Pflugerville
******************************************************************
Ted Samsel
All food service workers should have all hair removed so one
won't be offended by hair in the guacamole.
(ja ja ja ja)
--
Ted Samsel....tejas@infi.net *1996* Year of the Accordion~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Home of the brave, land of the free,
I don't want to be mistreated by no bourgoisie."
Huddie Ledbetter
Ted Samsel
Goodness! I always ask the waitperson if they are fresh when they
proffer a platter of norms. Just ask Miss Manners.
pa...@msg.ti.com
Well THAT settles it -- if I had any doubts about which side I'd come down
on in this fight, seeing the side Charles Herrick chose tells me I need to
run the other way.
Chuy's has always been one of my personal favorites because it was so
individualistic and offbeat. If it is sacrificing that to appease the
Herrick's of the world, I'm deeply saddened. It's a pity that the numbing
sameness people like that aspire to impose on others has damaged another
piece of Austin.
Paul
Ray Shea
In article <318D2A...@bga.com>, Olin Murrell <ol...@bga.com> wrote:
>...Are you intimating
>business?
He works for Circuit City. What do YOU think?
--
Ray Shea
Infosleuth Project
sh...@mcc.com -- MCC
http://www.mcc.com/~shea
vince
In article <DqsEv...@mcc.com>, Ray Shea <sh...@silver.mcc.com> wrote:
>
>> John Zapp on Chuy's Commitment to the Staff:
>>
>> "We are not in the restaurant business, our staff is. They take care
>> of every customer. They create every plate. We want to create a fun
>> and caring atmosphere for our employees that is free of rules,
>> regulation, harassment, hassles and corporate politics. As our
>> employees build pride in their job, their performance improves and our
>> product and service improves. Our people-management-pride formula
>> allows us to develop a staff of fun, energetic, and creative
>> employees."
My girlfriend was fired from her hostess job at the North store last Monday.
She worked doubles on Sunday and three guys complained to her manager
that she wouldn't seat them at a table on the patio that another manager
wanted reserved as a cocktail table. So, her manager starts giving her a
hard time about her "attitude" in front of the customers, which upset
her and prompted me and a pal of mine who were in the restaurant at the
time to fill out a comment card. On the card we wrote that managers
(I think her name is Kathleen) should not yell at employees in front of
customers. Well, Kathleen read the card, started crying, and fired my
girlfriend Tammy the next day. The reason given was customer complaints
regarding her attitude even though there was no documentation of the
complaints.
This same manager makes a habit of yelling at the waitstaff in front
of customers and other employees. This type of behavior from managers
hardly creates a fun and caring atmosphere. I won't say that my gf is
blameless in the matter as the incident in question did put her in
a bad mood. However, one incident with a difficult customer hardly seems like
a reason to fire someone.
Needless to say, I will no longer eat at any of the Comida Deluxe
restaurants.
vince
Olin Murrell
Ray Shea wrote:
>
> In article <318D2A...@bga.com>, Olin Murrell <ol...@bga.com> wrote:
> >...Are you intimating
> >that CUSTOMERS don't have the right to disagree with the management of a
> >business?
>
> He works for Circuit City. What do YOU think?
>
Right! I wasn't thinking. :^)
John Ertel
Gee, at last finally these stupid rules are catching up to the women as well. Being
a man in 95% of austin restaurants you have to put up with their stupid dress codes
such as being clean shaven and having short hair. It's about time they made the
women follow some of these stupid rules, too :) For those of you so shocked, most
of the other restaurants in Austin have these kinds of dress codes, too.
James Monro
John Ertel (er...@xstar.com) wrote:
: For those of you so shocked, most
Yep, that's what Chuy's wants to be like, it seems,...like most of the
other restraunts. Hope y'all enjoy your McChips with McSalsa with your
McMarg.
Mike L Haskell
James Monro wrote:
>
> terrymoore (terry...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
> :
> : How dare the management of a business try to dictate the standards
[diatribe deleted]
>
> If I wanted to be in an atmosphere that suited Charles H's tastes, I'd go
> to Luby's or Sonic or Taco Hell. BTW, Charles, have you ever even BEEN to
> Chuy's. If you did go once, I'm sure it gave you the hives being around
> all those non-straight-ticket-republicans.
>
> So, I'll just vote with my $$$, and take it elsewhere else. I look
> forward to being able to return.
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You know, among this self-righteous bullshit, be it known to Chuy's that
there are MANY of us quiet folk that will re-double our efforts to
patronize Chuy's. You who espouse tolerance for ALL things are
destroying the impetus for stable traditional families. Forcing
these women to deal with a line of tolerance of what the owner
feels is decent is capitalism at its best. You cross the line,
your fucking fired. Plain and simple. It is a rule the rest
of the world have has to live with, what makes them special?
mlh
Douglas H. Steves
In article <318E87...@pswtech.com>,
Mike L Haskell <m...@pswtech.com> wrote:
>You who espouse tolerance for ALL things are
>destroying the impetus for stable traditional families.
was noticing.
>Forcing these women to deal with a line of tolerance of what the owner
>feels is decent is capitalism at its best.
Also the basic modus operandi in the average whorehouse.
>Plain and simple.
You're half right.
Doug
Olin Murrell
Mike L Haskell wrote:
[original text snipped]
>
> You know, among this self-righteous bullshit, be it known to Chuy's that
> there are MANY of us quiet folk that will re-double our efforts to
> destroying the impetus for stable traditional families. Forcing
> these women to deal with a line of tolerance of what the owner
> feels is decent is capitalism at its best.
Nice try, but don't you REALLY think capitalism is a customer base
ACCEPTING a business owner's marketing ideas? By that, I mean simply that
you could build the greatest mouse trap the world has ever seen, market
it wrong, and lose your butt, without the process having anything at all
to do with what your employees wore, or how they cut their hair.
If a business owner thinks appearance is more important than production,
they certainly have the right to put that into their policy manual. This
thread began with a customer who didn't like a policy change at a
restaurant. While business owners certainly have the right to implement
any policy they see fit, does the customer not also have the right to
disagree with same? Somehow, I think they do.
You cross the line,
> your fucking fired. Plain and simple. It is a rule the rest
> of the world have has to live with, what makes them special?
>
It sure is a funny time we live in when "tolerance" is bandied about as a
somehow "ugly" word, and strict adherence to rules without regard to
their usefullness or effectivness is seen as "wholesome." I haven't been
involved in this thread, except as an amused reader, and it seems to me
that intolerance has put one foot down pretty firmly in each camp. But,
ain't that they way it usually goes?
Reggie
Subject:
Re: Open letter to Chuy's
Date:
Tue, 7 May 1996 02:09:02 GMT
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