"B12" in NSW

[Michael Greenslade]

And from the good work on the B12 in SA and VIC, we move into the deplorable effort on what should be the B12 in NSW. With the recent route numbering changes, this would have been the ideal time to implement it, but nope, NSW have run with the “Balranald – Tooleybuc Road” (it rolls right off the tongue), not to mention the high count of facepalms that lie between Tooleybuc and Kyalite (refer to one of these in Pic P1310656). Seems the signs around Balranald are attempting to push all Adelaide traffic onto the Sturt Hwy and not the shorter & faster B12 route, which is pretty ordinary – at least give people the choice with one of those Adelaide (via A20 xxxx, via B12 xxx) signs.

 

Old sign from 2003 also included for comparison.

 

Cheers,

Michael

[Musa Hodzic]

Yeah, that one's a flop! Love the NH20 they missed.

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[Sam Laybutt]

I have written to RMS at least twice (before and after the September 2012 announcement of routes) on this route and both times been fobbed off. Sheer stupidity. 

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[Paul Rands]

Terrible signage. SA's efforts in your  earlier posts are much nicer

Paul Rands
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[barbs]

I'm guessing their reasoning might be that the route would need alot of money spent on it upgrading the poor road surface, shoulders, etc if it was signed as a B12/ Adelaide alt route.
Not that I agree with this, as it should be B12.

[Musa Hodzic]

In NSW, B routes cannot have a number below 50, that's the main reason and giving it another number would be even more ridiculous.

On 11/04/2014 5:41 PM, "barbs" <bar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm guessing their reasoning might be that the route would need alot of money spent on it upgrading the poor road surface, shoulders, etc if it was signed as a B12/ Adelaide alt route.
Not that I agree with this, as it should be B12.

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[Paul Rands]

At the very least, RMS could signpost it 'To B12'

Paul Rands
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[Alex Csar]

Explain B23, then. At least the excuse would be "well, it's all Victoria's fault" - which would be easy for NSW to say.

Cheers,

Alex.

[Musa Hodzic]

Lol, yeah.

[barbs]

There is always exceptions to the rules

[kakaduhwy21]

just a photoshopped sign of what B12 will look like, how hard it it for RMS to signpost B12. And for the duplicates, with M12 people won't give a toss about it because its more than 1000kms away

Bonus, a Photoshopped B400 (see MVH400)

[thegwh32]

Well it is still against NSW naming conventions, so it is unlikely that there will be aa duplicate.

[kakaduhwy21]

Hi thegwh32

Okay so maybe I kinda don't mind about the duplicate thing probably because I lived in Queensland up until 9 years ago. Now, I don't understand why QLD put duplicate routes in the first place and why aren't they changing it.

Cheers,

thent1234

[kakaduhwy21]

they could also rename the M12 to M11, M13, or M14 not a big deal other than a confusion

[thegwh32]

This is a possibility, however NSW will likely not acknowledge Victorian roads unless the road already has a number, like the B23.

[kakaduhwy21]

well, then whats with B400

[kakaduhwy21]

see my last image, its not that hard to put a sign like that

[thegwh32]

NSW doesn't like to acknowledge it, although the B400 sign is likely a VicRoads sign. It isn't hard, however NSW wants to keep their route numbering mostly consistent.

[kakaduhwy21]

The route numbering consistency only matters to RMS, not ordinary people. Also putting B400 makes it more consistent then leaving it blank.

[Michael Mak]

B23 has set a precedent to break the consistency occasionally for the sake of consistency. The M12 can become something else (M10, M11, M13, M14 for examples aren’t being used). 

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Le 27 oct. 2020 à 20:04, kakaduhwy21 <avign...@gmail.com> a écrit :

The route numbering consistency only matters to RMS, not ordinary people. Also putting B400 makes it more consistent then leaving it blank.

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[kakaduhwy21]

and extending A79 for 500m does not hurt

Bonus (photoshopped sign)

[thegwh32]

Personally, I think this is unlikely.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:08:20 PM UTC+11 Michael Mak wrote:

[kakaduhwy21]

I know it breaks the rules but it helps drivers.

[kakaduhwy21]

also adding A79 is going to cost them no more than 100 bucks, considering they do what I had done (shorten the Calder Hwy and add the route marker) it only needs to be changed on four signs so there's more of a win win.

[kakaduhwy21]

also just wondering, even though A79 ends at the border, there are no signs that have a blank Calder Hwy on until B79 so technically A79 crosses the border northbound but its not official.

[thegwh32]

The thing about Route 79 is that it used to cross the border at where the Calder Highway starts. This means that the A79 ended at the border because it would change to National Route 79 when entering NSW. When NR79 became B79, it was extended to the Sturt Highway instead of joining the A79, so it is unlikely the A79 was extended by the RMS.

[kakaduhwy21]

but again, consistency

[thegwh32]

The likely reason is to connect NSW roads to other NSW roads than to connect NSW roads to VIC roads.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:40:39 PM UTC+11 kakaduhwy21 wrote:

and why the bloody hell did RMS decide to reroute Route 79. Probably one of the most sh*t things rms has done. Also what's the point of rerouting route 79 to A20, it does not do any difference but confuse Victorians. Also if they want, can't they make the 23km of highway some sort of number, then why not B790 and continue B79 to the border. Why can't RMS do SA's numbering system.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:33:19 PM UTC+11 theg...@gmail.com wrote:

[kakaduhwy21]

but that just makes life harder for poor Victorians

[kakaduhwy21]

also do you think Castlereagh Hwy should be A55 not B55 whilst A48 Illawarra Hwy should be B48

[thegwh32]

Not necessarily, NSW road routes and the road routes of other states aren't necessarily linked, the National Highway system is basically all gone now.

[kakaduhwy21]

Illawarra Hwy has WAAAAY too many hairpins, where trucks can't go.

Castlereagh Hwy more suits for A55 due to the type of the road

[kakaduhwy21]

Illawarra hwy more suits a B route and TD8 (I'll confirm with what I've entered onto Wikipedia)

[kakaduhwy21]

and I really mean it, it took me a quarter of the time just to cross Mt Murray.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 9:13:02 PM UTC+11 kakaduhwy21 wrote:

[kakaduhwy21]

yep its TD8

[Sam Laybutt]

Prior to alpha-numerics being introduced in NSW in 2013, NR79 was signed to connect directly with the Victorian A79 at Calder Hwy, however the section of Silver City Highway between Calder Highway and Buronga (current B79) was also signed as a spur of NR79. 

It's likely this was an error by the DMR/RTA divisional office but I don't know for sure. Not sure which era NR79 first appeared along the spur to Buronga.

Photos here:

https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/National%20Routes/79/silvercity.htm

https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/National%20Routes/79/nr79-spur.htm

https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/RouteNumbering/National%20Routes/79/nr79-buronga.htm 

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[kakaduhwy21]

Hi

The National Highway system isn't gone in WA and QLD

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 9:10:55 PM UTC+11 theg...@gmail.com wrote:

[Paul Rands]

The NH System is definitely gone from QLD. All the new signs have omitted it for the last couple of years. Anything that has gone up since has been in error and against their own standards. There's a shit tonne of remnants though.

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[li...@paulrands.com]

Ah yes, NH15 from Ripley to NSW border and NH39 from NSW border to Leichhardt Hwy (A5) intersection at Goondwindi. I think I only had the NH alphas on my mind when I was referring to NH system.

Also apparently heaps of new signs on Bruce Hwy between Sunshine Coast and Bundy have recently been replaced or amended with erroneous NH-A1 references

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On 2020-10-29 19:01, kakaduhwy21 wrote:

no there is still NH15 that hasn't been replaced with A15. I suppose that's one of the most shit things to not do. 

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[kakaduhwy21]

Hi Paul, 

I think those NH39's have been missed.

Also do you think QLD's regional alphas will have to be changed like this

A3 --> A30

A4 --> A40

A5 --> A50

A6 --> A60

A7 --> A70

This way, only a 0 will have to be added on a small coverplate. I know QLD likes to add a 1 before or after but since A13, A17 and the future A15 are already used this will work. And for the SR's, They'll decommissioned soon.

[Paul Rands]

QMR had signposted A39 in the Goondiwindi area, but changed it back to NH39 because at the time NSW still had NH39. They cited it was done for continuity reasons.

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[kakaduhwy21]

So this was the only time an alphanumeric route had changed to a numeric route. It's time to change it back now that NSW is fully alpha