A11 Pacific Highway in Wahroonga

[Michael Mak]

Just spotted a new A11 sign on the corner of Pacific Highway and Pennant Hills Road in Wahroonga.

The sign looks brand new, it has ‘Pacific Highway A11 Sydney’ and ‘To M1 Motorway Newcastle’. The alpha marker has the new fluro Yellow colour.

So is A11 a new route after the opening of Northconnex which presumably will carry the M1 marker or just a simple stuff up?

[davis]

Considering there's no direct east-facing interchange between the M2 and NorthConnex it would be vastly inappropriate to re-route A1 onto this corridor.

[Albert Alcoceba]

The photo seems to show A1 on that sign to Sydney...

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[Michael Mak]

Yeah forgot to add I attached the Google Streetview screenshot to show the exact sign I’m talking about here 

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[ed24f1]

On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 3:50:09 PM UTC+11, Michael Mak wrote:

Still no further A11 signage has been installed elsewhere on the route (that I have seen) and new signage recently installed at the A3/A1 intersection doesn't have any coverplates so maybe it was an error after all?

[Hubert Lam]

I guess the other question is: has the A11 at Pearces Corner been covered up yet? (and presuming the A3/A1 junction has new signage with "A1" on it?)

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[Hubert Lam]

For those that haven't seen the sign:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiGsYN5A84bmnM5VXxWrH14rNYQjxA?e=XklIsG

[Jason Kumar]

Interesting sign!

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[Nihat]

very interesting. if northconnex is to be made m1 then the m2 east of pennant hills rd will be m2/m1 until the gore hill interchange for the continuation of m1. i thought m7 would have been preferred for the northconnex 

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[Albert Alcoceba]

That makes no sense as there won’t be any east-facing ramps at the Southern Interchange of Northconnex to/from M2.

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[ed24f1]

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 9:19:07 PM UTC+10, Albert Alcoceba wrote:

That makes no sense as there won’t be any east-facing ramps at the Southern Interchange of Northconnex to/from M2.

Agreed on both counts regarding NorthConnex - if they built the southbound on-ramp to M2 the M1 designation (which they do have future provision to build) it would have made sense, but not having done that it really should be M7 as a bypass of Sydney. Having said that, if they gave up on the M2/M7 duplex already it's hard to see them re-instating it (unfortunately).

If they do redirect the marked route to Sydney to the longer motorway connection, I wonder if they will also start to change the distance markers throughout the M1 towards Newcastle.

On 30 Jul 2019, at 6:50 pm, Nihat <lbj2...@gmail.com> wrote:

very interesting. if northconnex is to be made m1 then the m2 east of pennant hills rd will be m2/m1 until the gore hill interchange for the continuation of m1. i thought m7 would have been preferred for the northconnex 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:18 PM Jason Kumar <jas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting sign!

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM Hubert Lam <hub...@lamfamily.info> wrote:

For those that haven't seen the sign:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiGsYN5A84bmnM5VXxWrH14rNYQjxA?e=XklIsG

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 12:00 PM Hubert Lam <hub...@lamfamily.info> wrote:

I guess the other question is: has the A11 at Pearces Corner been covered up yet? (and presuming the A3/A1 junction has new signage with "A1" on it?)

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:10 PM ed24f1 <ed2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 3:50:09 PM UTC+11, Michael Mak wrote:

Just spotted a new A11 sign on the corner of Pacific Highway and Pennant Hills Road in Wahroonga.

The sign looks brand new, it has ‘Pacific Highway A11 Sydney’ and ‘To M1 Motorway Newcastle’. The alpha marker has the new fluro Yellow colour.

So is A11 a new route after the opening of Northconnex which presumably will carry the M1 marker or just a simple stuff up?

Still no further A11 signage has been installed elsewhere on the route (that I have seen) and new signage recently installed at the A3/A1 intersection doesn't have any coverplates so maybe it was an error after all?

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[Hubert Lam]

Reported by Daniel Thomas from the Australian & NZ Traffic Sign, Signal & Street Directory Appreciation Group on Facebook: NorthConnex is now signposted as the M11!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/385062571524194/permalink/7114350331928684

The following dashcam footage was off my car - not all signage referring to the NorthConnex has been coverplated or replaced with M11 or "TUNNEL" yet.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 18:30, Hubert Lam <hub...@lamfamily.info> wrote:

The A11 sign is still there - uncovered. 

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[#130km/hforthehume]

Thank goodness common sense took over. It doesn't make sense for a tunnel that long to have no route number (and looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_road_tunnels, not a single tunnel longer than NorthConnex lacks a route number), but I can see why they didn't initially. 

[AlienChex]

This is outta nowhere, wow. M11 makes sense to give it a number, I suppose continuing M7 on from the Westlink with an M2 duplex and then onto the Northconnex would've been too confusing.

[Henry]

I wonder if the M1 southbound and any of the signs near the southern tunnel entrance have been updated too.

Just looking at Google Streetview, it would have been updated since June 2023.

[ed24f1]

I drove the M2 past A28 on Sunday 30th July and all signs were still the original NorthConnex signs - so if they've changed it would only have been this week like the northern end.

Good to see the change implemented and kind of a nice "Easter Egg" to the original A11 mistake.

[MH2351]

Seems we would get something else for the proper designation for M6. 

[ed24f1]

M10 looks likely now I'd say.

[Jason Kumar]

M3 feels a bit left out though...

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[Musa Hodzic]

Wow! And some bordered and some borderless.

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[AlienChex]

I saw today they've made Pymble the focal point for A1, which sort of confuses me with the inconsistency. A1 is supposed to be the "most direct route" linking Sydney to Newcastle and Wollongong, which it always did prior to NCX.

Telling people to use the tunnel to go to Sydney forces them to come out at the PHR intersection and do the awkward M2 shuffle seen below. Some proper east-facing ramps would have prevented this.

Hot take but they should have kept Sydney as the focal point for A1 and removed it entirely from the M11/NCX. The focal points for NCX should stay as Parramatta/Canberra, because that is where the route heads towards.

[Nihat]

I did not know Northconnex had been given a number until now. The previous arrangement of Sydney via Northconnex was simpler. And indeed you're right as to the purpose of the tunnel although while awkward it is one traffic light to hop onto the M2. 

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[Sam L]

I think there is a lot of overreaction about the 'awkward M2 shuffle' mentioned below. It is a single traffic light-controlled left turn movement, it's not complicated, and certainly far less of a stop/start journey than travelling the A1 through Pymble and Chatswood. For the navigation of unfamiliar drivers it makes sense to sign them via the much simpler M11/M2 route. 

I am now curious whether signage on the Gore Hill Freeway has been amended to show Newcastle via the M2?

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[#130km/hforthehume]

Didn't they build stub eastbound tunnels? If the M2 shuffle really does pose a constraint or if it is overcapacity, that door is always open.

[Conrad Zalewski]

Photo from yesterday…

Regards,

Conrad

On 18 Aug 2023, at 21:27, #130km/hforthehume <thenorthernt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Didn't they build stub eastbound tunnels? If the M2 shuffle really does pose a constraint or if it is overcapacity, that door is always open.

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[Conrad Zalewski]

Few more, southbound this time…

Regards,

Conrad

On 20 Aug 2023, at 09:27, Conrad Zalewski <f1f...@gmail.com> wrote:

Photo from yesterday…

[ed24f1]

Glad they replaced this one rather than coverplating as the patch job on the last one was horrendous.

Although they should have used the opportunity to show all 4 lanes and remove the top panel for Hornsby.

[Nihat]

overhead lane gantries would make so much sense but they tend not to do that here in NSW

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[Sam L]

Agree - the sign makes no sense in its current form, especially as it is sitting over the two through lanes.

At a minimum it needed the 'RIGHT TURN LANES' panel at the bottom as done here: https://goo.gl/maps/g6dNpJ9uJEaEruf27

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[ed24f1]

Had a look tonight myself - the southbound lane allocation signs on M1 are already out of date too as there is now a 4th lane added at the M11 exit.

Also I disagree with the signs after the M11 exit being coverplated as Pymble over Sydney. If you have chosen to not take the exit, and it's beyond line of sight, the signs should again say Sydney (and Parramatta too for A28) or at least Pymble/Sydney like at other intersections along the A1.

[Johnny Telcher]

M11 is now on Google Maps

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[ed24f1]

Had a look at the Wahroonga end again this week - surprisingly they still have plenty of signs to go in the rollout/conversion, with only a few new ones done since the initial batch in early August.

[Nihat]

Is there no reference to Northconnex at all now on the M11 signs? I would have thought they keep the name as that is what everyone knows the tunnel as. 

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[ed24f1]

The new/coverplated ones just say M11 or Tunnel - no mention of NorthConnex.

[AlienChex]

I dont know if Northconnex was ever intended to be a long term name or if this M11 renaming is a new idea, but they seem to have completely done away with any mention of Northconnex

[#130km/hforthehume]

I was a bit disappointed when I found out that last month. I had expected they would do signage similar to the Lane Cove Tunnel, but it seems not.

Even VMS signs still use NCX or Northconnex, not M11.