Remnant SR, NR, NH, Metroad Signs

[Adrian Biankin]

Let's see some signs that still have some of the old route markers on them.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.1037622,151.62633,3a,15y,185.6h,87.7t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sUTc8iShdBLEx6w3VvQB4qg!2e0!5s20100101T000000!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i48

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.3534727,151.2905101,3a,20.7y,133.39h,89.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLd6yqrSA8Dg2hh9TZ0Xvzw!2e0!5s20091201T000000!7i13312!8i6656

[Sam L]

There's a longish thread here on Metroads remnants

https://groups.google.com/g/aussie-highways/c/p3kiWVQuT08/m/GpOK6E0DAwAJ

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.1037622,151.62633,3a,15y,185.6h,87.7t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sUTc8iShdBLEx6w3VvQB4qg!2e0!5s20100101T000000!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i48

This one is a great find!

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[AlienChex]

That one from Peats Ridge Road is unfortunately an image from 2010. Google hasn’t driven back down that road since :(

[Adrian Biankin]

Its still there! Drove there a few months back and still there. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EitleXWHQ6jKeSOrqwyCzNh1FXHWWmaG/view?usp=sharing

[Aevion]

Man that's one awful sign, although I guess this could be said for all of the modern signage along Peats Ridge Road.

[Adrian Biankin]

They should modernise some of the signage on there. A mashup of small fonts and large fonts, on most signs and some signs that just look odd.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.3120021,151.2612932,3a,15y,248.84h,89.66t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTck5mtAzqZ3sPkxzCem_bA!2e0!5s20100201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.3580269,151.2928959,3a,15y,291.48h,93.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9bS-FGF_JWo1L_9Am4GvcA!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.3640515,151.3039743,3a,15y,274.33h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sf2LnrY1TuCNefUEKC1DXwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 

(They should leave this one. Still has F3 Junction on it :D)

[ed24f1]

Saw a SR123 remnant today on A43 at Gateshead

https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.9920734,151.6896632,3a,15y,214.61h,91.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szbU86qxQAwyhNwwT8nyXvw!2e0!5s20200901T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[Adrian Biankin]

I did see that one before. Couldn’t remember where it was

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[AlienChex]

Newcastle is a goldmine for old state-route signs because a lot of them are just coverplated

[#130km/hforthehume]

Ditto for the northern Central Coast as well. Just all look plain ugly with a coverplate slapped on

[Johnny Telcher]

Found this sign on the Hume Highway north of Albury that has not had its cover plate removed and still says NH31 https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-35.9894924,146.9958566,3a,15y,352.11h,93.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZVeAoKThFW0eHGXoIbyo5Q!2e0!5s20210501T000000!7i16384!8i8192 Also this sign has the name on a cover plate which most likely covers Hume Motorway for some reason which is weird has the Hume Highway doesn't become Hume Motorway until Berrima.

[#130km/hforthehume]

Looking at an old image (https://goo.gl/maps/7HWPRcWEkTveGgrY6), it seems that there was an alpha on that sign before 2008 (looks like an A31(?))

[Sam L]

Certainly was - the original was installed as part of the Albury Bypass project. 

https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/200.jpg. It appears to have been replaced between 2010 and 2015, with the current design. 

There is a series of photos of the Albury Bypass signage from July 2007 on this page: https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/evidence_old.htm

Johnny - in its preparations for alpha-numeric route numbering, RTA/RMS had planned to sign the whole length of Hume Highway as M31/Hume Motorway and signage installed from ~2011 to 2013 had M31/Hume Motorway under coverplates. Example here from 2011: https://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/461.jpg

Evidently that plan fell over when it came time to roll-out the scheme, perhaps because the large number of properties with direct frontage to the Hume would have had a 'Hume Motorway' address. I suspect there were similar plans for 'Federal Motorway' based on similarly coverplated signs on Federal Highway. 

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[Johnny Telcher]

Well, that's interesting! The sign on Highland Way approaching the Hume Highway says Hume Motorway instead https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.698201,150.0239828,3a,15y,281.68h,89.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVUkyf7fsTOxb7N6b7l92Mw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I know this is not related to this discussion, but I have spotted some signs at the Hume Motorway and Narellan Road interchange that say Hume Highway instead! https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.062098,150.7856449,3a,16.2y,132.15h,103.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smQ4lp8jbsMuvD1FGajujog!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.0632786,150.7868948,3a,43y,180.03h,96.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHZJjAud6d7cknvOdgGa73w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.0634406,150.7869377,3a,42.4y,349.09h,107.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQsIhJeLNXu_s-kSHIJ-ZyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.0601544,150.7821529,3a,20.9y,120.64h,96.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz3F4fK_Bg8SWRT6eEuOd2w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[Luke W]

Street View history shows that the Narellan Road ones did definitely say "Hume Motorway" when it was changed over, but it sounds like the contractors made a blunder when they re-designed the whole interchange a few years ago, starting in 2015, and made replacement signs when done. (If on a desktop, click on the top-left where it says "Street View" and a date, it'll give you pics dating back to 2007-08 when the Street View cars started roaming the streets.)

Highland Way would have likely just been a forgotten coverplate or one that came off, I imagine, nothing to worry too much about - the traffic volumes on that (south of Bundanoon) aren't really much.

[Adrian Biankin]

This SR77 remnant is still here on City View Rd, Pennant Hills

https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.7397414,151.0687121,3a,18.9y,305.66h,96.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBHr5JrXSdXePEhRpdrNOlw!2e0!5s20201001T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[AlienChex]

Reviving this old thread for this one. On the corner of Shepherd and Speed Street in Casula. It’s a strange sign because it’s on a suburban street, but this street leads to the powerhouse arts centre, so this must be for exiting visitors. It has a Metroad 5 cover plate, ready to be removed, but they never removed it in nearly 10 years

https://maps.app.goo.gl/4aiNREZQpMcJSzxKA?g_st=ic

[#130km/hforthehume]

Near that sign is also https://goo.gl/maps/Y5xRJd4X3E6M7ayo8, which is not exactly a remnant route number, but it's still a relic of the past. Not only has the RTA been long gone, but toll gates are now a thing of the past (at least in Australia).

[billyjs...@gmail.com]

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.8255676,144.9451304,3a,26.3y,71.66h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXvf5h-MRh0NqlNOT7ILPpg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This is a new(ish) sign! WTH?

Thanks to aaronp

[NumberMX]

An old NH31 sign north of Melbourne: https://goo.gl/maps/dqcAJJ8HNfY5oMSXA

[MH2351]

NH 31 on SR30 under the M1 West Gate Fwy 

[NumberMX]

A sign on Royal Parade with NR1, NH8, and NR79 on it: https://goo.gl/maps/4jkVNDvGefkWpbug8

[billyjs...@gmail.com]

https://goo.gl/maps/oVeMBEdhHvdiT4iU6

NR1 & NR 79!

[Sam L]

The ultimate "not my job" - Vicroads coverplate the NH8 shield but leave the long-decommissioned NR1 and NR79 shields...

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[Howard]

Has anyone noticed that what appears to be SR43 coverplates on the Tulla/Citylink signs which havent been removed for ages?

[Sam L]

Yes - they cover M2 and should be uncovered by now but there is a significant traffic management cost involved.

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https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.8977084,144.6605494,3a,42.9y,296.94h,93.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stKwXkiqReIuSRyvPS_8Kmg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Seen this one a few times but forgot to post it.

[theoneandon...@gmail.com]

Plenty of these around on the entire Old Princes Hwy route, probably forgot to coverplate them

[Mark Sanders]

Not an old remnant, but a relatively new installation at Lake Hume Village just outside of Albury NSW

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[Damien Berry]

As mentioned above it was easy to find an example on Princes Way, Longwarry via Street view, though this was from March 2010, hopefully it is still there. 

[#130km/hforthehume]

While many MR6 shields in Brisbane have been replaced with M6 shields with a blue background, https://goo.gl/maps/8abp26UL2kFirHyk7, https://goo.gl/maps/kRT6i2fYKSNKCWaX9, https://goo.gl/maps/RczzRUAETeKDNyee7, https://goo.gl/maps/vVQqYdN5N4bKo2Rg6, https://goo.gl/maps/LyanAiHhA8N8SuAYA and https://goo.gl/maps/WkVrwd1rthYmrTBG7 contain remnants of MR6 shields.

https://goo.gl/maps/JSVf3xMBbNd2pKxBA, https://goo.gl/maps/6PdLmXzdvmRjTdpK9 and https://goo.gl/maps/N7o68WMCLBHzo8Q96 also contain (erroneous? Correct me if I'm wrong) MR4 shields.

Don't know if the QLD govt has any plans to replace the few remaining MR6s and 4s near Loganlea, but the MR4s are misleading for the average tourist unfamiliar with Brisbane's roads.

[Sam L]

Logan Motorway (east) was previously signed as Metroad 4, prior to opening of the Gateway Motorway extension. The Metroad 4 signs will generally date from this era. 

It's Queensland, so I have no faith they will replace signs that have been outdated for 20 years and, if they do they will probably stuff them up anyway.

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[#130km/hforthehume]

Interesting to know; you're right about future replacements, though. I wouldn't be surprised if they're still there during the Brisbane 2032 Olympics.

[#130km/hforthehume]

There's also a remnant NR1 in Helensburgh on the Princes Hwy (GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/4kcwmDjAggYbtH8i7). 

[Adrian Biankin]

Looks like the M1 coverplate that was on it fell off.

[barbs]

Heres one, although the NR1 is coverplated, it still has S.E Fwy as focal point, even after City Link and Monash Freeway renaming in 1999.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Melbourne+Skydeck/@-37.8222385,144.9648186,3a,34.3y,21.91h,89.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-q8MQMKmlGQz5xv5sjOYsg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x6ad642ad84e4f741:0x2f497cebc33e9ddd!8m2!3d-37.8213341!4d144.9646982!10e5!16zL20vMDJqa2N0?hl=en

[Damien Berry]

That sign would even pre-date the renaming of the South Eastern Freeway to South Eastern Arterial in 1988.

[Scott Davis]

I don't think this has been mentioned in this thread.... There's a National A20 sign on Main North Road leading in to Adelaide.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.6792819,138.6961952,3a,15y,150.65h,88.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH8ZhLqULMTGQIYUIetiisQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The Sturt Highway used to use this road to enter Adelaide until the Northern Expressway replaced it.

The road is currently State A20, but was State A52 from when the Northern Expressway was opened in 2010 (I think, or some time soon after) until that was redesignated as M2 in 2017 and Main North Road became state A20.

Scott

[Paul Rands]

Nice find. There’s also loads of NR20 and NH20 remnant shields along B201 in Berri

Paul R

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http://www.expressway.online/

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[kjh gfh]

Some old ones I've found plus a bonus pre-metric sign

 (SR89)

 (NR1)
 (NR1)

 (NR1)

 (NR44)

 (25MPH sign)

[Sam L]

Sadly this one was replaced in December 2021. 

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[Mark Sanders]

Here's another one I found. A shiny new one located a few hundred metres further down the road with 'A3' on it.

120 A3

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PvsiM7BCpsHFbjTz8

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[Paul Rands]

Most of the remnants are on council controlled roads there.

The Speed Limit sign is not an original pre-metric sign. The use of Helvetica gives it away. It’s one of the crappy signs produced by safety sign manufacturer Brady that litter the place.

Paul R

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[#130km/hforthehume]

I was intrigued to see the pre-metric sign till I read Paul's comment. Are there any (genuine) remnant pre-metric signs left?

[Sam L]

There are a few still around in WA, generally on private property or Council reserves. Haven't see one on a public road that I can think of.

This one in Port Hedland was still there last time I was up there: https://goo.gl/maps/uZXajHoJX2FjXAS2A

Narembeen: https://goo.gl/maps/MkjwekGJHahckHbT9

Other examples at Beverley and Trayning aren't on Google Street View.

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[Paul Rands]

There are a few about. I have found one or two in country NSW and country WA.

Paul R

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[billyjs...@gmail.com]

Ferntree Gully Rd - Google Maps

On the right (zoom in) there is a NR1 rather than an ALTNR1.

[NumberMX]

There's a few NR1 shields in that area that unfortunately never got updated.

https://goo.gl/maps/V9V4M2G6UoR1qVav5 - approaching Wellington Rd

https://goo.gl/maps/5NQ6m3TSqnLVMcny7 - Same on the other side

And then there's this one approaching Springvale Rd which is outdated enough that it's all wrong - NR1 instead of ALTNR1, Centre Rd is missing its MR16, and Springvale Rd is still showing MR11 instead of MR40.

[NumberMX]

A remnant MR11 for the Mornington Peninsula Fwy: https://goo.gl/maps/4jmxR1TwBmU79nWRA

Also, the sign on the other side hasn't quite got the size of the plate right to cover up the old B110.

[NumberMX]

An NR1 shield on a part of Princes Hwy that's now C101: https://maps.app.goo.gl/CfTKvifozrkCBuJg6