TfNSW - Alphanumeric Route Markers now borderless
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Brendan Terrett
May 31, 2020, 4:41:49 AM5/31/20
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RIP our sexy alpha borders. Now we have to deal with crap naked alphas like the rest of the country :(
There are several signs lining the M5 East recently installed which have borderless alphas, and apparently replacement signage on the south coast following the bushfires has had the treatment.
The exit sign example in the technical direction sheet looks pretty awful, but it's probably more a layout issue than anything else.
ed24f1
May 31, 2020, 5:36:28 AM5/31/20
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A bit disappointing as I prefer the look with the border, but standardisation does make sense. It is surprising with so many signs recently installed with borders though.
I suppose it's a good time do this type of project and create some jobs for all the coverplating/new signs required!
Albert Alcoceba
May 31, 2020, 6:05:19 AM5/31/20
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I doubt they will be cover plating or replacing any existing signs unless they are due for replacement anyway.
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A bit disappointing as I prefer the look with the border, but standardisation does make sense. It is surprising with so many signs recently installed with borders though.I suppose it's a good time do this type of project and create some jobs for all the coverplating/new signs required!
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Paul Mech
May 31, 2020, 6:31:26 AM5/31/20
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I actually preferred the border alpha signage. Looked tidy.
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I doubt they will be cover plating or replacing any existing signs unless they are due for replacement anyway.
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Aevion
May 31, 2020, 6:46:17 AM5/31/20
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Definitely prefer the bordered numbers, but I also understand why they'd want to standardise it all. That being said, in the name of 'standardisation' it would be nice to finally see a full changeover to alphas country-wide.
Vincent Muller
May 31, 2020, 7:36:42 PM5/31/20
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This seems to speak to the wider trend of standardising signage and markings in NSW. Another example I can point towards - the specifications for pavement arrows looks to have been updated in 2014, and arrows in NSW now more closely resemble those in Victoria/Queensland per the provisions outlined in AS1742.
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Musa Hodzic
Jun 1, 2020, 9:58:55 AM6/1/20
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Yes Vincent, I also noticed that, except that in other states the line of the arrow is centered in the lane whereas in NSW, the whole arrow in centered, which is neater and better IMO. NSW was the only state to have different style turning arrows.
Also, I never actually liked the alphas and if I was to choose, I always preferred them WITHOUT the border. The border seemed to carry on from the shield system, was kinda hard letting it go. If they want to keep the coverplate people busy, well, I wish they bring back the shield system and start from scratch (I'm being silly, but I miss the shields).
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Brad Forbes
Jun 4, 2020, 8:22:36 PM6/4/20
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Noticed the lack of border on new signage in bushfire impacted areas on the south coast (see attached pic).
On Monday, 1 June 2020 23:58:55 UTC+10, Musa Hodzic wrote:
> Yes Vincent, I also noticed that, except that in other states the line of the arrow is centered in the lane whereas in NSW, the whole arrow in centered, which is neater and better IMO. NSW was the only state to have different style turning arrows.
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> This seems to speak to the wider trend of standardising signage and markings in NSW. Another example I can point towards - the specifications for pavement arrows looks to have been updated in 2014, and arrows in NSW now more closely resemble those in Victoria/Queensland per the provisions outlined in AS1742.
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> Definitely prefer the bordered numbers, but I also understand why they'd want to standardise it all. That being said, in the name of 'standardisation' it would be nice to finally see a full changeover to alphas country-wide.
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> On Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:41:49 UTC+10, Brendan Terrett wrote:RIP our sexy alpha borders. Now we have to deal with crap naked alphas like the rest of the country :(
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On Monday, 1 June 2020 23:58:55 UTC+10, Musa Hodzic wrote:
> Yes Vincent, I also noticed that, except that in other states the line of the arrow is centered in the lane whereas in NSW, the whole arrow in centered, which is neater and better IMO. NSW was the only state to have different style turning arrows.
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> Also, I never actually liked the alphas and if I was to choose, I always preferred them WITHOUT the border. The border seemed to carry on from the shield system, was kinda hard letting it go. If they want to keep the coverplate people busy, well, I wish they bring back the shield system and start from scratch (I'm being silly, but I miss the shields).
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> On Mon, 1 Jun 2020, 09:36 Vincent Muller, <vincent...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> This seems to speak to the wider trend of standardising signage and markings in NSW. Another example I can point towards - the specifications for pavement arrows looks to have been updated in 2014, and arrows in NSW now more closely resemble those in Victoria/Queensland per the provisions outlined in AS1742.
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> On Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:41:49 UTC+10, Brendan Terrett wrote:RIP our sexy alpha borders. Now we have to deal with crap naked alphas like the rest of the country :(
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Vincent Muller
Jun 4, 2020, 9:11:26 PM6/4/20
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To be honest, that looks better than I was expecting. I guess we've previously been burned by the experience of dodgy Queensland alpha coverplates? 😂
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Sam Laybutt
Jun 4, 2020, 9:47:53 PM6/4/20
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The RMS layouts are generally a lot easier to read than QLD, NT etc with the route number given similar prominence regardless of whether it's alpha-numeric or a shielded route.
I think the main issue with alpha-numerics is when you get awfully designed signs like this example from Darwin: https://goo.gl/maps/PB4t4WEQgrSZMChL7
The 'A1' legend height is non-compliant (AS1742.15 specifies it must be the same or one size larger than the main legend height, whereas in this case it matches the smaller road name) plus the positioning and lack of spacing between 'A' and '1' makes it very
difficult to ead.
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Nihat
Jun 5, 2020, 12:14:13 AM6/5/20
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yes looks quite good, similar if not identical to victoria which is fine for me
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Musa Hodzic
Jun 5, 2020, 12:54:05 AM6/5/20
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Much better without the border IMO. Thanks Brad.
Sam, LOL, that IS hideous indeed! HAHA.
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Aevion
Jun 7, 2020, 4:21:17 AM6/7/20
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Not too bad at all, actually. I was prepared to be disappointed but it's actually quite neat.
QTMR need to take a good hard look at this and rectify their so-called 'standards', but perhaps they're beyond help now.
Musa Hodzic
Jun 11, 2020, 10:20:55 PM6/11/20
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I only wish that they don't use the green "footprint" as the background on blue signs. Just the florescent route marker will do.
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Alex Csar
Jun 11, 2020, 10:32:36 PM6/11/20
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If it’s any guide, Victorian tourist signs have route numbers on white-bordered green patches (much like the old NSW alphas), so bordered alphas might not disappear entirely.
Cheers,
Alex.
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Musa Hodzic
Jun 13, 2020, 1:00:02 AM6/13/20
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Oh wow, you got any links to that Alex?
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Nihat
Jun 13, 2020, 5:33:14 AM6/13/20
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Here's an example https://goo.gl/maps/urBZrpUowFQMHsvs7
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Musa Hodzic
Jun 14, 2020, 1:48:45 PM6/14/20
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Oh wow. Thanks for that. Yeah, that looks much better with the border on non-green signs than just slapping a green patch. Love it.
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Yeah that's horrible. And there's loads of them like that in NT, as shown already on my site, and what will be coming in this current update I am working on
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Jul 3, 2020, 2:59:25 AM7/3/20
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Some borderless M5 signs spotted today attached.
There's something dodgy with the font in images 06 and 07 though. For example, the angled ends on "d" and "p" are inverted and the sizing/spacing seems off also.
Bonus image: Remnant Metroad 5 sign (image 09).
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Definitely better without the borders
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Jul 5, 2020, 8:39:58 AM7/5/20
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More borderless signs popping up now. Sorry, the image quality isn't good since they're crops from dashcam video screenshots.
Vincent Muller
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I was a little surprised to see that the M8 signage has borders, but perhaps it was procured and installed before the standards changed?
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Brendan Terrett
Jul 6, 2020, 6:56:08 AM7/6/20
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They didn't change the designs from two years ago (based on old 3D renders where they did have some signage visible), so I'd say so.
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On Friday, 3 July 2020 16:59:25 UTC+10, aussieh...@gmail.com wrote:Some borderless M5 signs spotted today attached.There's something dodgy with the font in images 06 and 07 though. For example, the angled ends on "d" and "p" are inverted and the sizing/spacing seems off also.Bonus image: Remnant Metroad 5 sign (image 09).
On Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:41:49 UTC+10, Brendan Terrett wrote:RIP our sexy alpha borders. Now we have to deal with crap naked alphas like the rest of the country :(There are several signs lining the M5 East recently installed which have borderless alphas, and apparently replacement signage on the south coast following the bushfires has had the treatment.The exit sign example in the technical direction sheet looks pretty awful, but it's probably more a layout issue than anything else.
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Musa Hodzic
Jul 6, 2020, 8:46:30 PM7/6/20
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Awesome
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Vincent Muller
Jul 13, 2020, 5:39:54 AM7/13/20
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Pretty much all the signage between Lithgow and Bell on Bells Line of Road has been replaced by borderless signage. Unfortunately I don't have a dashcam so no photographic evidence, but if I get back up that way I'll have to pull over for a shot.
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Hubert Lam
Jul 14, 2020, 11:09:42 AM7/14/20
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That'd be mainly due to the bushfire?
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Vincent Muller
Jul 14, 2020, 8:22:13 PM7/14/20
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Yeah, the fires came particularly close to that stretch of Bells Line of Road.
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Jul 17, 2020, 5:14:34 AM7/17/20
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Here are some screenshots from my dashcam.
Awesome
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Vincent Muller
Jul 17, 2020, 6:22:29 AM7/17/20
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That's them! Thank you 😁
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stuarthwy87
Oct 7, 2020, 6:29:26 AM10/7/20
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found another one
Paul Rands
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That’s an unattractive and wrong sign
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found another one
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