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Paul Rands

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Nov 27, 2011, 12:32:11 AM11/27/11
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Hi Guys,

I had to drive to Sydney this weekend, and found handful of these new supplementary panels on the Left Lane Ends signs between Orange and Faulconbridge. I was wondering if anyone has noticed them else where?



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T B

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Standard arrangement according to RMS/RTA's Traffic Signs guide...it says the Merge L/R is no longer used.

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Paul Rands

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Nov 27, 2011, 1:16:31 AM11/27/11
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OK, hadn't seen it in the guide I have on file here. Are they going to do what they do in QLD and change the Left / Right Lane Ends signs to Lane Ends?

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On 27/11/2011, at 4:57 PM, T B wrote:

Standard arrangement according to RMS/RTA's Traffic Signs guide...it says the Merge L/R is no longer used.

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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:32:11 +1100
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Hi Guys,

I had to drive to Sydney this weekend, and found handful of these new supplementary panels on the Left Lane Ends signs between Orange and Faulconbridge. I was wondering if anyone has noticed them else where?


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T B

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Nov 27, 2011, 1:18:25 AM11/27/11
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The L/R Lane Ends is still a standard sign according to their site, it says the "Lane Ends" sign is not used in NSW.

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Nihat

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Nov 27, 2011, 3:33:53 AM11/27/11
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first time i have seen it, didnt know it was on the guide either. i have seen quite a few with nothing bar left lane ends though

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Dr B. J. Winzer

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Nov 27, 2011, 7:20:58 AM11/27/11
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Looks like they're changing it because most drivers are too stupid to know what "Merge Right" means.  Which means we'll see those signs in Victoria soon enough.

T B

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Nov 27, 2011, 7:23:22 AM11/27/11
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I don't understand why, but unfortunately that is true. Personally I think Merge L/R looks better on signs.

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Darren Hodges

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Nov 27, 2011, 7:41:41 AM11/27/11
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I don't like it. It will just make more people change lanes well before the lane ends. There's enough drivers already who seem to consider the MERGE RIGHT plates to be a regulatory sign and merge early to prevent anyone overtaking them. I think that the CHANGE LANES is somewhat redundant. I mean, if you're in a lane that's ending. What else can you do?
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T B

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Nov 27, 2011, 7:46:14 AM11/27/11
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Maybe they'll continue to use the Merge L/R signs and the Change Lanes crap will be phased out...can only hope.

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Paul Rands

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Nov 27, 2011, 3:08:52 PM11/27/11
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Actually to be honest the merge / change plate is a bit redundant, a Left Lane Ends sign should be sufficient to tell motorists they need to merge

On 27/11/2011, at 7:33 PM, Nihat wrote:

first time i have seen it, didnt know it was on the guide either. i have seen quite a few with nothing bar left lane ends though

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Hi Guys,

I had to drive to Sydney this weekend, and found handful of these new supplementary panels on the Left Lane Ends signs between Orange and Faulconbridge. I was wondering if anyone has noticed them else where?


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T B

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Nov 27, 2011, 4:31:22 PM11/27/11
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I've seen that sort of arrangement up here already; on Morayfield Road near Gaffield Street (they'll be removed once the duplication continues south in the next 3 years).

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Lachlan Sims

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Nov 28, 2011, 2:16:27 AM11/28/11
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Only thing I’ve noticed over the last 12 months or so is that new installations have removed the “merge right” plate from the yellow warning sign to a larger black legend on white background regulatory sign at the actual merge (see attached).

 

 

 

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Actually to be honest the merge / change plate is a bit redundant, a Left Lane Ends sign should be sufficient to tell motorists they need to merge

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T B

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Nov 28, 2011, 2:18:24 AM11/28/11
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Is that in NSW? 


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Paul Rands

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Nov 28, 2011, 2:21:10 AM11/28/11
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I have seen this in NSW, and has been common practice in other states such as WA and QLD for a long time. 


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Lachlan Sims

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Nov 28, 2011, 2:27:54 AM11/28/11
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Yes.  On the Bruxner Highway (Alstonville Bypass) and Pacific Highway (Ballina Bypass, and elsewhere)

 

 

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Darren Hodges

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Nov 28, 2011, 5:52:33 AM11/28/11
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FORM X LANE/S covers it pretty well really. :)
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Nihat

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Nov 29, 2011, 1:30:18 AM11/29/11
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victoria as well. nsw seems to be copying other states

T B

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Nov 29, 2011, 1:34:12 AM11/29/11
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Hopefully they will never copy QLD....

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The 'Merge Left' sign seems to be on its way out, permanently. The latest (March 2012) edition of the RMS supplement to Australian Standards says not to use them (see page 9):

You might also notice that where the speed differential between two lanes is less than 20%, a zip merge is to be used rather than the traditional termination of the left lane with a continuity line.

Seems like we will be seeing a lot more zip merges in NSW from now on. The only significant one I noticed while I was over there was the new extended westbound overtaking lane on SR121 (Cormorant Road) at Kooragang Island ends in a zip merge.

Paul Rands

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Aug 13, 2012, 5:23:01 AM8/13/12
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This is the one I saw, but saw another as well somewhere, but can't remember which suburb it was, but was in Newcastle somewhere.

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Paul Rands

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Thanks Luke. I wonder if it's worth making a list?

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There's one at Macquarie Rd, Cardiff southbound at the Myall Rd intersection

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Daniel Knott

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Arrghh! - As a Canberra resident - I hate the zip lane.  Something about them just bugs me.  Mostly its the stupid backwards text on the road "Lane One Form".

I just discovered another one of these in newcastle, via nearmap.  Southbound coming out of the newly redesigned Newcastle Road/Thomas Street roundabout in Wallsend. Interesting that RMS hasn't gone wth the backwards text approach used in the ACT. 

Paul Rands

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The backward text is better in my opinion, as the first word is closest to the vehicle.


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Leo Giusti

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It bugs me, yet it makes it easier to read.
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Sam Laybutt

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Aug 14, 2012, 12:47:42 AM8/14/12
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that has been a zip merge as long as I can remember (20+ years). Is it of the new style with form one lane road markings or is it still the same? still looks the same on Nearmap.

Paul Rands

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The last zip merge in NSW that I have used / seen up until the Newcastle ones is the one on the Old Hume Hwy at Alpine, and that's since been changed to broken lined merge. And the last time I used it was over 5 years ago.



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Musa Hodzic

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Aug 14, 2012, 3:03:43 AM8/14/12
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Interesting document Sam. It confirms all what's going on with the lane markings.

Sad about the green reflectors for exit ramps though. They just did them recently on the western part of the M4. Does that mean they'll have to pull them back out, lol.

Laughed at the exit numbering clause near the end of the doc.

Yeah, it's gonna remind me of Canberra and Perth (iirc). Don't like the look of it though but it's better than the current system. Curently, it makes one think that the car in the ending lane must give way to  the car in the right lane, whereas, now both have the right of way. We need to teach NSW-men courtesy. On the other hand, the markings are much neater the way it is now.

 

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Sam Laybutt

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That's correct - you must give way when crossing a lane (dividing?) line so the vehicle in the lane that ends must always give way. of course, traffic only flows if people in the continuing lane don't act like knobs and actually let people in. 

Here's a good question for the road rule interpreters - at a zip merge, do you need to indicate?

I think not, as neither lane actually ends, they merge. Generally if I'm not crossing a dividing line or I'm not making a turn, I don't indicate (although habit gets the better of me at times). A lot of drivers here do indicate when zip merging from the left lane. A decent amount also indicate left when zip merging from the right lane. 

As for a list of zip merges in NSW, here's a few off the top of my head quickly:

- Ryde Road/Pittwater Road, Gladesville, has zip merges on 3 legs of the intersection
- Ryde Road/Mark Street, Hunters Hill has zip merges on 2 legs (including a really dodgy eastbound one where the lane markings disappear for about 300m and then come back again, without any narrowing of the road)
- Church Street/Burns Bay Road - eastern leg of junction is a zip merge, ditto on both on-ramps
- Rutledge Street/Shaftsbury Road, Eastwood - south and west legs
- James Ruse Drive/Church Street eastbound on-ramp
- James Ruse Drive/Pennant Hills Road southbound on-ramp

There must be a heap more; those are just the ones off the top of my head.


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Curently, it makes one think that the car in the ending lane must give way to  the car in the right lane...

Paul Rands

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It used to be that you didnt have to indicate on a zip merge, but not sure if that has changed or not

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Musa Hodzic

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Sam, now that you bring up the zip merges in Sydney, one comes to mind. The Silverwater Rd westbound onramp onto the M4 up to recently used to have the right lane ending and merging to the left but now they have redone that so it's a zip merge.

Albert Alcoceba

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I hate zip merges because people are so impatient they always push
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Burns Bay Road at Victoria Road eastbound on the Gladesville Bridge.
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Curently, it makes one think that the car in the ending lane must
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A particularly nasty one!

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Lancer4247

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I think its still the same in Cardiff, i was going the other way when i saw it

There's also one on the New England Highway at the bottom of Harpers Hill toward Lochinvar

Brendan Terrett

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This zip merge on the Todman Ave onramp of Southern Cross Drive is a real doozy.

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