Exit numbers on M1 (Melbourne)

[Michael Greenslade]

Hi all,

 

See attached pic showing sign on Monash Fwy with Exit numbers. Pic taken by Jamie Scuglia.

 

I hadnt realised that the Monash was starting Transit Lanes like the Pacific Mwy in Brisbane.

 

Cheers,

Michael

[Michael Greenslade]

Whoops - that should read - "something similar to Transit Lanes". My
bad :-)

Cheers,
Michael

On Mar 1, 1:02 pm, "Michael Greenslade"

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[Sam Laybutt]

Wow, what a shocking sign. there has been some absolute rubbish spewed forth from roads authorities recently!
 
I think the express lanes are collector-distributor lanes, not transit or high occupancy vehicle lanes?
 
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:18:35 -0800
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> Whoops - that should read - "something similar to Transit Lanes". My
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[Paul Rands]

Hey Sam

I tend to agree with your there. It's very sad considering Victoria used to have a reasonable layout on their signs.

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[Viseth]

The term 'Express Lane' is already used on Citylink Western Link which
has the conditions that it can only used by buses/taxis/VHA/VHC.

The problem now is that term is being used again on the Monash Freeway
even though there are no vehicle class restrictions. Its meant to mean
that you can't exit from the two right lanes, however 'Express Lane'
may not be the best way to express this concept (pardon the pun).

In regards to the sign, the Toorak Road ID is somewhat oversized and
the exit number should have been incorporated inside the sign. The
lane allocation sign closer to Burke Road (or was it High St?) is much
worse, as it's a replacement, and for some reason or another it had to
be made the same height as the struts that supported it - thus
resulting in a gigantic sign.

I wouldn't use the word 'shocking' for the signs in the photo - nor
would I use that term for the majority of those Centenary Hwy &
Ipswich Mwy sign pics. Time for a bit of perspective, perhaps.

Viseth

On Mar 1, 2:02 pm, "Michael Greenslade"

[Sam Laybutt]

You're getting soft in your old age! and I'm getting cranky in mine...get off my lawn ;)
 
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[Stuart Fox]

Viseth,

According to the MCW Upgrade website (http://www.mcwupgrade.com.au/theproject/monash-freeway/glenferrie-road-to-warrigal-road.aspx), the Express Lanes can be crossed.

"Motorists will also notice a line delineating the express lanes from the outer lanes.  This is not a solid line and can be crossed, but is there to encourage drivers to choose and then stay in the appropriate lanes for their ultimate destination."

Also

"The choice of the term express lanes to convey the above intent was made after market research to test understanding of different terms."

and 

"A similar treatment will be added to the Monash Freeway inbound carriageway once the additional lane opens in the CityLink section beyond Glenferrie Road, permitting the operation of two dedicated express lanes. "

Stuart.

[Stuart Fox]

Sam -

The signs seem to be clear enough with their intent.  From my experience people tend to stick within the Express Lanes; however I've noticed that if "slow" cars sit in the Express Lanes people go around.  Then when the speed limit increases to 100 km/h, it seems to take a while for people to work out the speed has changed...

How would you have designed them?

Stuart.

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[Viseth]

Hmm, if the article is correct, it looks like they've changed the
linemarking on the carriageway - I believe it used to be a single
continuous lane line (thus you couldn't cross it) when I last look at
the issue.

Viseth

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> Viseth,
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> According to the MCW Upgrade website (http://www.mcwupgrade.com.au/theproject/monash-freeway/glenferrie-roa...),

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[Sam Laybutt]

I'd go with what Trent draws up ( i don't have the time, software or skills to do a mock-up atm, unfortunately)
 
The signs try to say too much without communicating anything clearly.
 

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Sam -

The signs seem to be clear enough with their intent.  From my experience people tend to stick within the Express Lanes; however I've noticed that if "slow" cars sit in the Express Lanes people go around.  Then when the speed limit increases to 100 km/h, it seems to take a while for people to work out the speed has changed...

How would you have designed them?

 

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[Stuart Fox]

Viseth - the white lines are long and thick, but there is a small gap either side of the reflector.  I originally thought it was a single continuously line too and the gap was left for the reflector.  I suspect that's the idea.

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[Viseth]

It stems from what people interpret what 'Express Lanes' means
(ignoring the explanation given by the project for a minute) - regular
freeway travelers may get confused given there's an 'Express Lane' on
the Tulla. However, with that said, this one is a little tricky to
explain in a few words, the reason why the project chose 'Express
Lanes'

Viseth

On Mar 1, 5:35 pm, Sam Laybutt <crazyknights...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd go with what Trent draws up ( i don't have the time, software or skills to do a mock-up atm, unfortunately)
>
> The signs try to say too much without communicating anything clearly.
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> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:29:09 +1100
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> Sam -
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> The signs seem to be clear enough with their intent.  From my experience people tend to stick within the Express Lanes; however I've noticed that if "slow" cars sit in the Express Lanes people go around.  Then when the speed limit increases to 100 km/h, it seems to take a while for people to work out the speed has changed...
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> How would you have designed them?
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[davis]

Just sign the through focal points on the right two lanes only. Maybe
not quite truthful, but shows the intent.

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[davis]

There's a few examples of this done. The dividing line should be as
thick as the carriageway edge line and as long as three or more of the
standard lane dividing lines with a short gap between each one.

[B.J. Winzer]

So we've got Transit Lanes, Express Lanes, a different kind of Express
Lanes... just wait for the Deer Park Bypass to receive the "M8 Items Or Less
Lane".

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> It stems from what people interpret what 'Express Lanes' means
> (ignoring the explanation given by the project for a minute) - regular
> freeway travelers may get confused given there's an 'Express Lane' on
> the Tulla. However, with that said, this one is a little tricky to
> explain in a few words, the reason why the project chose 'Express
> Lanes'
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> Viseth
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> On Mar 1, 5:35 pm, Sam Laybutt <crazyknights...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I'd go with what Trent draws up ( i don't have the time, software or
>> skills to do a mock-up atm, unfortunately)
>>
>> The signs try to say too much without communicating anything clearly.
>>

>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:29:09 +1100
>> Subject: Re: [Aussie Highways] Re: Exit numbers on M1 (Melbourne)
>> From: stu...@stuartfox.net
>> To: aussie-...@googlegroups.com
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>> Sam -
>>
>> The signs seem to be clear enough with their intent. From my experience
>> people tend to stick within the Express Lanes; however I've noticed that
>> if "slow" cars sit in the Express Lanes people go around. Then when the
>> speed limit increases to 100 km/h, it seems to take a while for people to
>> work out the speed has changed...
>>
>> How would you have designed them?
>>

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[Paul Rands]

LOL!!

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[Michael Greenslade]

LOL You clown Bricks. :-)

Michael

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[Stuart Fox]

Yes, that's what they look like.

But then you have weird-looking short thick lines on Queens Road now too...

[Paul Rands]

Problem with the M8 items or less lane is that you will get some douche with M31 items instead holding things up :)

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[Sam Laybutt]

This would vastly improve sign layout too.
 
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> Just sign the through focal points on the right two lanes only. Maybe
> not quite truthful, but shows the intent.

[Tim]

To my understanding, the breaks in the Queens Rd lines have been created in response to the national road law changes that Victoria adopted last November, where they now state it's illegal to cross a single unbroken line, even in the same direction. Had it remained solid, then the contra-flow lane would have been inaccessible from each end :)

Tim

[Tim]

I hate to disappoint you Stu, but the 80 zone from Darling Station is there to stay. The new variable speed signs aren't designed for 100 km/h operation there. A part of the lower speed was to assist in noise reduction in a deal to poach land of St Kevin's school beside the freeway. They can argue the lower limit on safety terms as well, now that the emergency lane has been removed for large sections of the freeway between Darling Station and Williamstown Rd on the West Gate Fwy.

I do hope they raise the limit to 80 on the collector/distributor ramps on the West Gate Fwy though. For non-weaving and segregated traffic 60 is a load of shite!

Tim

[Stuart Fox]

Indeed.  Was specifically referring to cars doing 80km/h in the 100 km/h posted zone... seems to usually be that way for sometime after year+-long reduce speed limits are removed.  Case in point, many drivers still slow down to 80 km/h through the tulla/calder interchange...