Sydney Gateway proposal

[Henry]

A community update has been released for the Sydney Gateway proposal http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-south/sydney-gateway/index.html

It involves direct access to Qantas Drive with flyover ramps to the domestic terminals.

I was hoping to see a direct tunnel to Foreshore Road.

[Musa Hodzic]

Interesting.

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[Paul Rands]

Sydney really needs what Brisbane and Melbourne has, a proper grade-separated limited access high speed road into the airport.

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[Nihat]

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-and-events/media-releases/new-gateway-to-sydney-on-its-way

Project approved but construction won't be completed until 2024. That means around 6-12 months after the M4-M5 link is done which means congestion on roads around the airport for motorists heading from the north 

[Paul Rands]

Oooh, I saw a rude phrase in NSW "Toll Free"! Very nice. 4 years wait is not too bad if it stays on schedule.

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[Jason Kumar]

I suspect they are building in more fat now given the delays in the other recent projects.

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[Hubert Lam]

A new page on the Sydney Gateway project portal has appeared with the upcoming four stages of the traffic switches detailed:

Upcoming Traffic Switches | Sydney Gateway | Transport for NSW (RMS) (caportal.com.au)

[AlienChex]

Finally, the gateway is a missing link that will make getting from the west to the airport so sooo much faster

[#130km/hforthehume]

Why is the link to St Peters Interchange the very last stage? I guess it doesn't make much of a difference in the long term, but I'm curious to know what was their rationale.

[davis]

It's just staging. You need to open new bits to complete the redevelopment of old bits. In this case there's lots of bridges, so instead of staging onto temp new bits, they basically have to open final new bits.

[Hubert Lam]

The Canal Road overbridge has far more work to be done on it than the other bits.

I visit the International Terminal quite frequently, and by the looks of things, if they wanted to open Stage 1 + 2 next week I think it'd be entirely achievable 😂 

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[Hubert Lam]

It looks like Stage 1 of the Sydney Gateway traffic switches will happen in mid November.

https://media.caapp.com.au/pdf/sd2cb2/b98ec157-8afe-4989-bdb2-07937ff75368/October%2023%20Work%20Update.pdf

[Hubert Lam]

The Upcoming Traffic Switches page has now been updated with the following dates:

https://caportal.com.au/rms/sydney-gateway/upcoming-traffic-switches

[Hubert Lam]

Stage 2 is now happening ahead of Stage 1.

• Flyover will be switched on 12/11/2023.
• International Terminal connection will be switched over on 19/11/2023

[#130km/hforthehume]

It is 12 November now. Has any information come up regarding the flyover to the Domestic Terminals, yet? Can't find anything on the caportal website.

[Nihat]

According to livetraffic it is now open as scheduled 

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[JR]

Sydney Airport website says the overpass has now opened: https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/corporate/planning-and-projects/sydney-gateway

Sydney Gateway partially opens next Sunday to connect the two terminals in the eastbound direction (westbound won't open until next year). Looks like the Link Road connection will open as well.

[Hubert Lam]

Drove past it on Sunday night. The new Deborah Lawrie Flyover is definitely open for traffic as expected.

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSsydney/videos/244911964932996

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[Hubert Lam]

Looks like there'll be another phase of traffic changes that's not really documented on the existing Sydney Gateway website. 

From the February 2024 work update:

• February 11 - westbound traffic on Airport Drive rerouted to existing southbound Twin Arch Bridge, original Airport Drive closed. Looks like the existing one will become two-way.
• Mid year - new Twin Arch Bridge opens. I guess that's also when the connection to St Peters Interchange also opens?

[Nihat]

its interesting the gradient on the new arch bridges, wasn't expecting that. i wonder if they could have levelled it further. 

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[Nihat]

i have also noticed coming out of the M8 this onramp constructed earlier has been dug up. not sure what happened there which has resulted in extra construction happening. perhaps this was always temporary? 

[Hubert Lam]

More changes ahead coming in late April, following the latest update published as PDF on the Sydney Gateway site:

Methinks if the weather is good to us, the rest of it could open as early as June? 

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[Hubert Lam]

Second Twin Arch Bridge opening on 21/4/2024.

https://media.caapp.com.au/jz1bhb.pdf

[AlienChex]

Anyone know when the link to the M8 opens? I make the trip to the Airport frequently and the ride through the WCX has been so smooth except for the part through Mascot

[Nihat]

Not sure. There's a lot of criss crossing as you know when you get off the M8 onto Gardeners Rd. Most vehicles from the M4 side go onto Kent changing right whereas most from the south west go straight and have to change left.  Hopefully when gateway opens this will alleviate this issue. 

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[#130km/hforthehume]

Rat-running through Mascot is still far better than using the old route via A3 and M5 East.

[Hubert Lam]

Definitely not in May 2024. See the following work update:

https://caportal.com.au/rms/sydney-gateway?view=Card_f5775856

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[Nihat]

Yeah. And you would have seen the onramp to M8 from Gateway still being paved if you exit onto Gardeners Rd, still a bit to go there. 

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[Hubert Lam]

June 2024 update now available, and the twin arch bridges are expected to be operating at full capacity by the end of June.

It looks like there's a possibility that the entire International Airport connection would be open at the same time?

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[Hubert Lam]

Temporary signage on the approach to the southbound Twin Arch Bridge indicates 23/6/2024 for another major traffic switch.

The sign says view details on livetraffic.com, but there's nothing on livetraffic.com to indicate any sort of change 🤦‍♂️

In the meantime, there's only minimal signage that needs to be installed at the Gardeners Road exit for the M8, in the southerly direction. Everything else looks ready. What does get a bit annoying is that all of the signage near the International Terminal has focal points to the city via O'Riordan St, rather than the quickest way, which would be to use the M8, and exit at the Rozelle Interchange. 

[Nihat]

The on ramp still needs finalisation from Gateway to M8, I'll take a picture next time for progress 

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[Nihat]

Yes tomorrow full southbound bridge in operation. The signage is fine although i would have preferred more space between Rockdale and M5 

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[Hubert Lam]

The July 2024 works notice that's been uploaded today says nothing more than what Nihat has posted.

I might take a drive out there in the coming days to see what's going on. But it's going to be a busy schedule of opening new infrastructure in the coming months:

• Metro - August
• Parramatta Light Rail - TBC
• Sydney Gateway - TBC

(in no particular order)

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[#130km/hforthehume]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnsw%2Flikely-opening-date-of-parramatta-light-rail-revealed-as-testing-forges-ahead%2Fnews-story%2F06f5ba1ff5d18f005d7fd6bec6585ff7&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=GROUPA-Segment-1-NOSCORE has the light rail slated for August, so that's a second project confirmed for August.

[Nihat]

Gateway onramp to M8 

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[Hubert Lam]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/when-the-motorway-link-from-sydney-airport-to-westconnex-will-open-20240603-p5jiw1.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR119LmeI9CVZToAnYF1Ya022nXgrHd60BkaFTGnlRPg1FHRWJs88i7ssOg_aem_4kU7TNkum_HgMalW5xOekw#Echobox=1719950020

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[Hubert Lam]

A new video has appeared for the Sydney Gateway!

https://youtu.be/bkmR6oO99ow?si=aTn_ixI9pxB1vc4F

[Hubert Lam]

Plus refreshed St Peters Interchange site:

https://caportal.com.au/rms/sydney-gateway/st-peters-interchange?draft=true&cache=refresh

[Henry Ung]

It will open 1 September 2024 according to New road connection to Sydney Airport to open in September, as government urges drivers to familarise themselves - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/nsw-sydney-gateway-opening/104137440

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[Nihat]

Confirmed for Sunday. 

https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/a-first-class-upgrade-sydney-gateway-to-open-sunday

Notes "For the first time on a big motorway project, signage and road markings were tested in advance with members of the public, resulting in 100 changes pre-opening."

This was not publicly available so must have been a closed group. The amount of changes is astonishing and really goes to show the bureaucrats responsible for the signage in the first place were clueless, no wonder Rozelle was a mess. I'll email the WHT and M6 projects asking for the signage to be publicly displayed for comment.  

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[ed24f1]

Yes that's surprising - will be interesting to see the outcome though, as depending on the focus group the changes to signage may not be necessarily an improvement or consistent with other standards

[Henry Ung]

Hi All,

I have driven on the final section of the Sydney Gateway today on the open day.

I have one picture taken near the West Bridge.

I went from M4 - M8 - St Peters interchange - Domestic Terminal - Tempe and back to Sydney Gateway and M8 Motorway towards the M4 Motorway.

The following link is an Imgur album of screenshots from my dashcam

I found that the speed limits on the entire Sydney Gateway to be quite slow.

It is 70 km/h right up until the tunnel portal heading back into the M8 tunnels.

It could definitely be higher for a longer distance.

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[Nihat]

Thanks. That first picture sees the lanes unaligned, definitely could improve that. Apart from that looks OK. Note coming from International Terminal to go to City - go through Qantas Drive with a few traffic lights and hop on M1 (toll free) not the M8 via Rozelle Interchange. Guess depends where in the city tourists would want to go. Hopefully this project will mean less trucks through Mascot and improve the ambience of that area. 

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[Nihat]

Signage at M5 Kingsgrove updated to use M8 for domestic, M5 for international. 

[ed24f1]

Thanks for the photos - and good to hear that the Kingsgrove signage is updated too

[Henry Ung]

Just had a look at the Toll Calculator. A3 to St Peters interchange via the M8 costs $8.47.

A3 to Marsh St exit on the M5 Motorway costs $7.18.

Obviously if you are travelling near the King Georges Rd interchange you don't really need to use either as the free alternative should be okay.

I selected that as it is the last interchange before the split.

The point I was making is that traffic from the M5 would just continue to exit at Marsh St and drive along Airport Dr to Domestic terminal, or even continue along General Holmes Dr.

Traffic from the M4 Motorway and Victoria Rd would be the main users of the St Peters interchange and Sydney Gateway to access both international and domestic terminals.

Lastly those from the City, Eastern Suburbs, and Northern Suburbs would just use the M1 to get to Sydney Airport.

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[ed24f1]

And then will get a lot more use when the WHT opens

[Sam L]

100 changes pre-opening and they still put up garbage like this? Three lanes marked on the road but four lanes shown on the sign. 

Image from the great hi-res dash cam footage posted by Yousheng Li on the FB group: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPB9Ls-effA

Watching the videos I also noticed some other issues - e.g. 'To M5 Motorway' is shown on an advance sign but then disappears at the exit signage. The jumbotron overhead sign leaving International Terminal says 'To M1/M8' but M1 is not mentioned at the Qantas Drive exit on the Gateway etc. 

Fixing any overhead signage on a road like this will be expensive now that it's open to traffic. I wonder what is under the M8 coverplated signs - e.g. in the above screenshot.

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[Sam L]

Thanks Henry - great collection of screenshots.

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[Nihat]

Yep a sign like this would have been more appropriate since the 2nd lane goes to either Airport Dr or M8. I've also found the "only" markings to be helpful which are completely absent in NSW. 

What might be underneath those M8 maybe something when it's closed for maintenance, we shall see.  

And Ed you're right, those changes obviously haven't necessarily been an automatic improvement. That's why placing it publicly so anyone and everyone can comment is a better idea. 

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[Lachlan Sims]

At first glance I thought those were the old louvre style interchangeable signs, but alas, just sloppy coverplates.

Should have been a consolidated single sign with a splitty/V shaped arrow like this:

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[davis]

No, they are louvres. WestConnex is fond of them. Goodness know why - they'll fail when needed even more readily than the electronic inset signs formerly used at advanced signage for for tunnel entrances.

[Albert Alcoceba]

The arrows are on cover plates too.  I wonder if the end sign will be better and just what changes they are planning to make.

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At first glance I thought those were the old louvre style interchangeable signs, but alas, just sloppy coverplates.

Should have been a consolidated single sign with a splitty/V shaped arrow like this:

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100 changes pre-opening and they still put up garbage like this? Three lanes marked on the road but four lanes shown on the sign. 

Image from the great hi-res dash cam footage posted by Yousheng Li on the FB group: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPB9Ls-effA

Watching the videos I also noticed some other issues - e.g. 'To M5 Motorway' is shown on an advance sign but then disappears at the exit signage. The jumbotron overhead sign leaving International Terminal says 'To M1/M8' but M1 is not mentioned at the Qantas Drive exit on the Gateway etc. 

Fixing any overhead signage on a road like this will be expensive now that it's open to traffic. I wonder what is under the M8 coverplated signs - e.g. in the above screenshot.

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Yes that's surprising - will be interesting to see the outcome though, as depending on the focus group the changes to signage may not be necessarily an improvement or consistent with other standards

On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 7:05:49 PM UTC+10 Nihat wrote:

Confirmed for Sunday. 

https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/a-first-class-upgrade-sydney-gateway-to-open-sunday

Notes "For the first time on a big motorway project, signage and road markings were tested in advance with members of the public, resulting in 100 changes pre-opening."

This was not publicly available so must have been a closed group. The amount of changes is astonishing and really goes to show the bureaucrats responsible for the signage in the first place were clueless, no wonder Rozelle was a mess. I'll email the WHT and M6 projects asking for the signage to be publicly displayed for comment.  

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It will open 1 September 2024 according to New road connection to Sydney Airport to open in September, as government urges drivers to familarise themselves - ABC Newshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/nsw-sydney-gateway-opening/104137440

A community update has been released for the Sydney Gateway proposalhttp://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-south/sydney-gateway/index.html

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[Paul R]

Good captures, it's on my list for photos but I'm not sure when I'll get to it, it's not a location I spend a lot of time at. 

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