Yet another Indian death
HeadRush
Police have identified a partially burnt body found beside a rural road in
southwest NSW as that of Indian national Ranjodh Singh.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/burnt-body-identified-as-indian-20100106-ltrb.html
HR
uncle wally
yes siree yes indeedy do.
just putting the indian/australian issue aside for a mo....
On another potential explosive
hypothetical scenario: if the jews attacked iran later this year,
would there be
a global tit for tat between the muslims and the jews. Notwithstanding
the fact that we have more than 300 million muslims on our doorstep
in Indonesia and Malaysia combined.
World War III ?!?!?
hopefully some common sense and cooler heads would prevail b4
such a scenario would unravel.
hooroo
wally
▬▬
> http://www.smh.com.au/national/burnt-body-identified-as-indian-201001...
>
> HR
netvegetable
> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
motivation for that is probably racist.
Benway (original non-Zionist)
****************************************
Australia is rapidly being converted to the same
sort of depleted third world shithole they escaped
from. They may as well stay at home.
The surge of surplus third world flesh from feral
immigration enhances wealth acquisition, but
acquiring wealth is not the same activity as
creating wealth, as most plague landlords know.
Those trusting souls of the working class who
merely create wealth are also left carrying the
costs of pandemic immigration.
****************************************
Coach
> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
At least he died doing something he loved.
The Raven
news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested parties
(eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups, universities, and
Australian politicians).
1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone suggest
otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because it
happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a racially
motivated crime.
3. If Indians are so upset by these few crimes, DON'T COME HERE.
4. If universities are so dependant on foreign student money, then they
should move those countries.
5. Politicians shouldshut the f*** up on this issue, focusing on the revenue
it generates shows a bias to financially exploiting other races.
Benway (original non-Zionist)
**************************************************************
But the Oz wealthy only bleed these people because they LOVE them!
Or is there a more sinister reason?
Hack journos and media drones are still spewing
the same old specious drivel about how "vibrant"
and "prosperous" bulk immigration and
multiculturalism have made Australian life, and
how wonderful is the third world conversion of
Australia. Infantile globalist crap plucked hot
from their stinking arses.
*******************************************
rb
yo cooch, i hear there's a lab looking for the likes of u for experiments.
apparently there's some low shit things they can't even get a rat to do.
rb
Superman
Vote out useless supersoft on crime Labor govts. That's what you can do
about it!
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
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"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
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Superman
> "netvegetable"<notrea...@all.com> wrote in message
> news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>>>
>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
>> motivation for that is probably racist.
>>
> This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested parties
> (eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups, universities, and
> Australian politicians).
>
>
Indian students are being bashed and killed. It's a fact. There's even a
name for it.. curry bashing. So hardly just a 'politically motivated
campaign by various self-interested parties'.
> 1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone suggest
> otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
>
That's irrelevant to what happens here.
> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because it
> happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a racially
> motivated crime.
>
It is if their race is deliberately targeted.
> 3. If Indians are so upset by these few crimes, DON'T COME HERE.
> 4. If universities are so dependant on foreign student money, then they
> should move those countries.
> 5. Politicians shouldshut the f*** up on this issue, focusing on the revenue
> it generates shows a bias to financially exploiting other races.
>
>
A Little Bit
> At least he died doing something he loved.
Eating curry...
A Little Bit
> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>
> Police have identified a partially burnt body found beside a rural road in
> southwest NSW as that of Indian national Ranjodh Singh.
>
Obviously a case of self inflicted wounds.
^Tems^
> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
What will they do rip up the ANZ and Telstra contracts and these
companies will have to bring the jobs at their call centres back to
Australia?
>
> Police have identified a partially burnt body found beside a rural road in
> southwest NSW as that of Indian national Ranjodh Singh.
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/national/burnt-body-identified-as-indian-20100106-ltrb.html
>
> HR
>
>
>
I find it interesting that India is saying Melbourne and Australia is an
unsafe place but I don't recall any countries talking about boycotting
the Melbourne Commonwealth games due to security fears.
regn.pickfod
> On 6/01/2010 7:19 PM, The Raven wrote:
>
>> "netvegetable"<notrea...@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>>>>
>>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media.
>>> Their motivation for that is probably racist.
>>>
>> This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested
>> parties (eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups,
>> universities, and Australian politicians).
>>
>>
>
> Indian students are being bashed and killed. It's a fact. There's
> even a name for it.. curry bashing. So hardly just a 'politically
> motivated campaign by various self-interested parties'.
>
>> 1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone
>> suggest otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
>>
>
> That's irrelevant to what happens here.
>
>> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because
>> it happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a
>> racially motivated crime.
>>
>
> It is if their race is deliberately targeted.
>
The Indian guy who was stabbed had just finished his masters degree in
accounting
and was looking forward to starting his new career . Meanwhile he hadn't
finished
up working for a fast food franchise.
A signifcant question, not addressed anywhere is
"Why was he still here in Australia
if he had finished his degreeand was looking to start his career (back in
India)"?
Appartantly he was a permanent resident.
i.e. His intent was to thieve opportunities away from natural Australians.
I suspect a great deal of the angst against Indians is generated by call
centres.
Having Indians hang up on you when the conversation gets too much for them
because you've strayed outside their customer interaction flowchart, three
or more times in a row, wasting hours to get through again , certainly makes
me
want a little curry `satisfaction'
The answer is to not permit them to stay.and wear out the welcome
as they have been allowed to.
Australian jobs and opportunities for Australians.
B J Foster
>
> netvegetable wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>
>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
>> motivation for that is probably racist.
> ****************************************
>
> Australia is rapidly being converted to the same
> sort of depleted third world shithole they escaped
> from. They may as well stay at home.
The 'beat up' is about students not refugees.
Perhaps you should keep *your* shithole tightly closed to prevent you
from soiling yourself.
B J Foster
> "netvegetable" <notrea...@all.com> wrote in message
> news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>
>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
>> motivation for that is probably racist.
>
> This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested parties
> (eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups, universities, and
> Australian politicians).
Crap.
>
> 1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone suggest
> otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
Irrelevant. The hard stats which matter are *our* stats.
> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because it
> happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a racially
> motivated crime.
If it happens to a person of a particular race that helps us to prevent
crime. Likewise if the crimes are *by* persons of a certain group that
information helps us too.
> 3. If Indians are so upset by these few crimes, DON'T COME HERE.
You're an idiot. Visitors are welcome here. It is our job to protect
them so that they enjoy their trip & tell people what a great place it
is so that *more* vistors come.
> 4. If universities are so dependant on foreign student money, then they
> should move those countries.
What are you suggesting, close all private enterprise and live off
Rudd's handouts?
> 5. Politicians shouldshut the f*** up on this issue, focusing on the revenue
> it generates shows a bias to financially exploiting other races.
>
Why? They are employed to talk about it - particularly to their
counterparts in India so that we can SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
B J Foster
> Superman" <"the _man_of_steel wrote:
>> On 6/01/2010 7:19 PM, The Raven wrote:
>>
>>> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because
>>> it happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a
>>> racially motivated crime.
>>>
>> It is if their race is deliberately targeted.
>>
>
> The Indian guy who was stabbed had just finished his masters degree in
> accounting
> and was looking forward to starting his new career . Meanwhile he hadn't
> finished
> up working for a fast food franchise.
>
> A signifcant question, not addressed anywhere is
>
> "Why was he still here in Australia
> if he had finished his degreeand was looking to start his career (back in
> India)"?
>
> Appartantly he was a permanent resident.
>
> i.e. His intent was to thieve opportunities away from natural Australians.
>
A guy is murdered and you call him a thief.
Do you know what you are?
HeadRush
"regn.pickfod" <re...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
news:4b44...@news.comindico.com.au...
Therefore they must be bashed and stabbed?
HR
Eunometic
It shows how dangerous Australia can be. The reality is that a local
Australian\'s and a woman will use their local knowledge to take great
care: Don't hitch hike, don't take short cuts through lonely dark
areas where no one can see you.
Remember the backpacker murders and Ivan Milat?
There the victims were White girls and White couples and a LOT of
them, sensational in the UK, Germany since that is where the victims
came from but no hype about racism.
The reality is that with vast amounts of non-White immigration and
tourisim and with White Australians to become a minority in the next
20-30 years that there will be a vast amount of inter-racial crime.
Are every most of these to be labelled "racially motivated". Are they
racially motivated if a racial sledge is exchanged after the beginings
of an altercation?
The Raven
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> On 6/01/2010 7:19 PM, The Raven wrote:
>
>> "netvegetable"<notrea...@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>>>>
>>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
>>> motivation for that is probably racist.
>>>
>> This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested
>> parties
>> (eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups, universities, and
>> Australian politicians).
>>
>>
>
> Indian students are being bashed and killed. It's a fact. There's even a
> name for it.. curry bashing. So hardly just a 'politically motivated
> campaign by various self-interested parties'.
I'm sure many other nationalities are being targetted by wackos as well.
That doesn't make every attack racially motivated.
If I'm attacked by a group of Asian men does that mean the attack on me was
racially motivated? Not specifically.
>
>> 1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone suggest
>> otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
>>
>
> That's irrelevant to what happens here.
>
Not really. It's a perfect example of the Pot calling the Kettle black. By
comparison, the Australian crime rate per capita is likely to be much less
than India.
>> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because it
>> happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a racially
>> motivated crime.
>>
>
> It is if their race is deliberately targeted.
Ahhh, and we have had very little evidence that it is. I'm not doubting
*some* incidents *may* be racially motivated but to imply every crime
committed against an Indian student is racially motivated is false.
If I'm attacked by a group of Asians does that mean it was racially
motivated? Not necessarily.
The Raven
news:hi2rui$ce0$1...@bjf.motzarella.org...
> The Raven wrote:
>> "netvegetable" <notrea...@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
>>> motivation for that is probably racist.
>>
>> This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested
>> parties (eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups, universities,
>> and Australian politicians).
>
> Crap.
>
>>
>> 1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone suggest
>> otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
>
> Irrelevant. The hard stats which matter are *our* stats.
>
Which will inevitably show that attacks on Indian students are statistically
insignificant compared to other races.
>> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because it
>> happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a racially
>> motivated crime.
>
> If it happens to a person of a particular race that helps us to prevent
> crime.
How?
> Likewise if the crimes are *by* persons of a certain group that
> information helps us too.
It may be relevant but to assume it's racially motivated would be jumping
the gun.
>
>> 3. If Indians are so upset by these few crimes, DON'T COME HERE.
>
> You're an idiot. Visitors are welcome here.
I'm not debating whether visitors are welcome but if you consider a country
inherently unsafe (as the Indian media are portraying) WTF would you go
there?
> It is our job to protect them so that they enjoy their trip & tell people
> what a great place it is so that *more* vistors come.
Every person in Australia is entitled to equal protection under the law. To
suggest visitors should be given greater protection is stupid.
>
>> 4. If universities are so dependant on foreign student money, then they
>> should move those countries.
>
> What are you suggesting, close all private enterprise and live off
I'm suggesting that foreign students are being seen as a cash cow for
universities. They aren't as concerned about the safety of non-foreign
students.
> Rudd's handouts?
>
>> 5. Politicians shouldshut the f*** up on this issue, focusing on the
>> revenue it generates shows a bias to financially exploiting other races.
>
> Why?
Read the whole sentence.
>They are employed to talk about it - particularly to their counterparts in
>India so that we can SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
Ahhh, 'particularly' their job is to serve the best interests of the people
(specifically citizens/residents). How is India going to resolve this
perceived problem? How is talking to India about crimes here going to change
things HERE?
Here we have a statistically insignificant group of people suffering crimes
no different to anyone else in this nation making out they are the sole
victims and specific targets of crime. The universities are concerned
because foreign students are more profitible and that they may stop coming
here (it's not a safety concern, just a financial one). The politicians are
reacting because of the beat up by the Indians and the universities.
dechucka
"Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
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>
>> "netvegetable"<notrea...@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:jzW0n.15309$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:08:53 +1100, HeadRush wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wait till the Indian media get a hold of this.
>>>>
>>> What can we do about it? All the empirical data shows these are just
>>> isolated incidents, that are being beaten up by the Indian media. Their
>>> motivation for that is probably racist.
>>>
>> This is a politically motivated campaign by various self-interested
>> parties
>> (eg. Indian media, Indian student placement groups, universities, and
>> Australian politicians).
>>
>>
>
> Indian students are being bashed and killed. It's a fact. There's even a
> name for it.. curry bashing. So hardly just a 'politically motivated
> campaign by various self-interested parties'.
>
>> 1. Australia is generally safer than India. I've not heard anyone suggest
>> otherwise but would welcome hard statistics.
>>
>
> That's irrelevant to what happens here.
>
>> 2. A crime committed against a person is still a crime. Just because it
>> happens to a person of a particular race doesn't make it a racially
>> motivated crime.
>>
>
> It is if their race is deliberately targeted.
And that is a very big IF
regn.pickfod
Someone who is saying if the guy got his education and
went home to improve his homelend he would be alive?
Unfortunately his intent of improving his pocket at the expense
of Australians caused him to be in a position where an
unfortunate chain of circumstances led to his demise.
No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent residents
from any country. The law should be changed to stop these back door
fraudulant economic refugees thieving jobs, housing, public utilities,
health
and welfare from Australians and anyone who has a problem with that
needs to seriously reconsider their idea of how Dedicated they are to
Australia
rather than some pie in the sky, juvenile ideals.
regn.pickfod
rightious indignation by making false claims about what I wrote?
Should these back door, economic refugees be permitted to become
Permanent Residents after fraudulantly coming here under the guise of
students hoping to improve their home countries?
dechucka
The after paying for his education and the expense of living here only way
that he could get a job is if he was the best candidate. Would you prefer
that 2nd rate people get the jobs?
regn.pickfod
I think a part time job is an important part of the education experience for
foreign students here in Australia. Exercising their language skills
building up friendships, being saturated in the Australian culture...
All very good things to take back with them to their home countries.
(Besides it's the only time many uni elitists actually experience a
labouring job.)
It is not surprising they all want to come here and live... Greatest place
to
live on the planet IMhO.
But having back door economic refugees coming here as students with the
intent
of not returning to their home countries does neither any good.
Their home countries lose skilled people they have paid for and we lose
quality of
life and wealth because we end up sharing these resources with these blowin
students
who don't want to piss off back home.
Come enjoy the country, get a quality education,take that education back and
improve your countries. Come back later on holidays, bring your families,
enjoy!
Go home and we'll see you next time!
Don't forget ... Avvagdaaay, cachah laytah!
Coach
> dechucka wrote:
> > "regn.pickfod" <r...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
At least he died doing something he loved
dechucka
dechucka
Australia benefits from the money that these o/s bring into the country paid
by the individual. An education in Australia is not a short cut to getting
residency.
regn.pickfod
you should get out more.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/visa-review-may-spark-panic-20091211-kok3.html
Review on Visas could start panic.
(obvously won't get through the Labor mismanagement team )
[quote stt]
Such changes could affect anyone seeking to gain permanent residency
through the skilled migration program, but would have the gravest effect
on students who have spent thousands of dollars and years of their lives
on courses here on the presumption they would secure residency.
There are 137,000 such students here waiting on approval who could
have the rug pulled from under them if the changes are made retrospective.
''The Australian Government has grown fat off these students with the
lure that they can get permanent residency,'' Mr Konrad said.
[quote fin]
Rudd should take a holiday from visitting the world in search of
business opportunities for his Missus
(we know who wears the saddle in _that_ family ... )
and get this passed this _week_ to let some of the anti foreigner blowin
steam out.
dechucka
"on the presumption". There is no automatic granting of residency visas to
O/S students. Obviously if you have Australian qualification, contacts and
financial security ( how else do afford the full fee charged by educational
institutions ) you stand a much better chance of being accepted under the
skilled migration program. As I said a win win situation for Australia, we
get the money for educating these people and than get to cherry pick the
best who want to stay.
It was an interesting article but doesn't show what you were trying to show.
B J Foster
'Homelend' hey?
Exactly right - you're a bigot
>
> Unfortunately his intent of improving his pocket at the expense
> of Australians caused him to be in a position where an
> unfortunate chain of circumstances led to his demise.
Rubbish.
>
> No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent residents
> from any country.
Stupid.
> The law should be changed to stop these back door
> fraudulant economic refugees thieving jobs, housing, public utilities,
> health
> and welfare
How are they fraudulent exactly?
> from Australians and anyone who has a problem with that
> needs to seriously reconsider their idea of how Dedicated they are to
> Australia
> rather than some pie in the sky, juvenile ideals.
>
Anyone who has a problem with boosting exports *and* selecting the
absolute best as migrants is a terminal idiot.
regn.pickfod
Keep in mind the 173 000 students applying for permanant residency
http://www.theage.com.au/national/foreign-students-slave-trade-20090714-dk6d.html
[quote stt]
The vast pool of unpaid labour was created in 2005 when vocational students
were required to do 900 hours work experience.
There was no requirement that they be paid.
Overseas students remained bound to the system as completion of such courses
became a near-guaranteed pathway to permanent residency in Australia.
Since then the number of foreign students enrolled in the sector has leapt
from
65,120 to 173,432 last year ? about half of all overseas students
The changes have created a $15 billion education industry, as comparable
countries don't offer residency. But experts, teachers and students say many
of the private college courses are little more than visa mills.
Since 2001 the number of private colleges has risen from 664 to 4892.
[quote fin]
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/22/2632925.htm
[quotes stt]
But as Monash University demographer Bob Birrell explains,
for many the qualification was not their ultimate goal.
"Most of these VET [Vocational Education and Training] students
came here with the expectation that if they completed a
certificate three-course in hairdressing or cooking,
they would then get a permanent resident visa," he said.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Spokesman Gautam Gupta says 72 per cent of Indian students in Australia
are doing vocational courses.
"The way the courses are marketed, it's very clearly told to them there
is a technical skills list so if you enrol in these courses you are going
to
fill the skills gap that Australia has," he said.
"We will be naive to think that someone will be spending about $50,000 to
get a hairdressing qualification and go back to India or China and
practice their hairdressing skills."
[quote fin]
No wonder government departments now have happy smily signs up
letting our overseas born residents know
please don't attempt to bribe the employees,
bribery is against the law ...
"Bribery is against the law"
hairdressers and cooks, etc, who selected their career path based on advice
as to which path ticked sufficient box's to get a permanent residency are
hardly the
pick of _any_ crop, unless you intend to bring in fraudulant criminals.
regn.pickfod
That's a new one. I'm a bigot cause I call someone's Homeland
a Homeland ?!!?
Is there something wrong with wanting people to improve their
birth nation/country of origion? I don't think it qualifies as a requirement
to get labelled as a bigot.
>>
>> Unfortunately his intent of improving his pocket at the expense
>> of Australians caused him to be in a position where an
>> unfortunate chain of circumstances led to his demise.
>
> Rubbish.
>
You're saying it was a _fortunate_ chain of circumstances ?!!?
Crikey, your raghead epiphany was more powerfull than I thought...
>>
>> No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent residents
>> from any country.
>
> Stupid.
>
Other countries wouldn't like us poaching their best eggs.
Fraudulant criminal exonomic refugees are a different matter.
>> The law should be changed to stop these back door
>> fraudulant economic refugees thieving jobs, housing, public
>> utilities, health
>> and welfare
>
> How are they fraudulent exactly?
>
They apply for a student visa instead of an immigration
application. Attempting to take advantage of a loophole by swearing out
a false declaration is fraud.
like `remembering` you had a laptop and a camera in the car
_after_ it got stolen ...
>> from Australians and anyone who has a problem with that
>> needs to seriously reconsider their idea of how Dedicated they are to
>> Australia
>> rather than some pie in the sky, juvenile ideals.
>>
>
> Anyone who has a problem with boosting exports *and* selecting the
> absolute best as migrants is a terminal idiot.
I want to boost exports. All these clever little wogs going back to
the Homelands, sparkly eyed and filled with awe of the glory of
our Australian culture and filled with precious knowledge moving
into positions of power as the movers and shakers of the next generation
and all of them infatuated with Australia.
Never said otherwise.
You may think that habitual criminals and `lowlifes` make good
Australians but that is a very old fashioned perspective and
not valid or socially accepted, anymore. Not for a long time now ...
dechucka
Totally different argument and on this I agree. However the fact remains
that having a student visa does not give you the right to permanent
residency
dechucka
>>> No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent residents
>>> from any country.
>>
>> Stupid.
>>
>
> Other countries wouldn't like us poaching their best eggs.
> Fraudulant criminal exonomic refugees are a different matter.
Other countries don't have much say in it as most of these students are self
funded
>
>
>>> The law should be changed to stop these back door
>>> fraudulant economic refugees thieving jobs, housing, public
>>> utilities, health
>>> and welfare
>>
>> How are they fraudulent exactly?
>>
> They apply for a student visa instead of an immigration
> application. Attempting to take advantage of a loophole by swearing out
> a false declaration is fraud.
They come here for an education, paying full fess, to better there chances
of a skilled migration visa. How is this fraud? Would it be fraud if they
got their qualifications acceptable to Australia and at a skill level to Aus
and apllied for a skilled migration visa
>
> like `remembering` you had a laptop and a camera in the car
> _after_ it got stolen ...
>
>>> from Australians and anyone who has a problem with that
>>> needs to seriously reconsider their idea of how Dedicated they are to
>>> Australia
>>> rather than some pie in the sky, juvenile ideals.
>>>
>>
>> Anyone who has a problem with boosting exports *and* selecting the
>> absolute best as migrants is a terminal idiot.
>
> I want to boost exports. All these clever little wogs going back to
> the Homelands, sparkly eyed and filled with awe of the glory of
> our Australian culture and filled with precious knowledge moving
> into positions of power as the movers and shakers of the next generation
> and all of them infatuated with Australia.
Than Australia should spend the money and increase the number of
fullscholarships for o/s students
>
> Never said otherwise.
>
> You may think that habitual criminals and `lowlifes` make good
> Australians but that is a very old fashioned perspective and
> not valid or socially accepted, anymore. Not for a long time now ...
Habitual criminals and lowlifes aren't on the top of my list for making good
Australians but what has this got to do with your argument
regn.pickfod
If you go back and check you'll see I didn't say having or obtaining a
student visa automatically entitled you ta a permanent residency.
I suppile cites showing it certainly was an expectation of many of
these students. I also said such activity hjere permanant residency
was the goal and a uni course was the means was fraudulant.
regn.pickfod
> snip
>
>>>> No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent
>>>> residents from any country.
>>>
>>> Stupid.
>>>
>>
>> Other countries wouldn't like us poaching their best eggs.
>> Fraudulant criminal exonomic refugees are a different matter.
>
> Other countries don't have much say in it as most of these students
> are self funded
Their Governments have an obligation to act on international crime and
maintaining the integrity of their financial system by controlling
funds leaving the country.
Not so long ago we in Australia were restricted as citizens to limit semding
funds
overseas to.$3000 per week without extra scrutiny.
At one stage I was knocked back by the NAB from buying a chunk of
Homg Kong dollars in preparation for an overseas buying trip because
the bank had concerns is was gambling in the foriegn money market.
Things have changed a bit.
>>
>>
>>>> The law should be changed to stop these back door
>>>> fraudulant economic refugees thieving jobs, housing, public
>>>> utilities, health
>>>> and welfare
>>>
>>> How are they fraudulent exactly?
>>>
>> They apply for a student visa instead of an immigration
>> application. Attempting to take advantage of a loophole by swearing
>> out a false declaration is fraud.
>
> They come here for an education, paying full fess, to better there
> chances of a skilled migration visa. How is this fraud? Would it be
> fraud if they got their qualifications acceptable to Australia and at
> a skill level to Aus and apllied for a skilled migration visa
>
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/eet_ctte/international_students/report/c02.htm
[quote stt]
In July 2009, the Office of the Migration Agents Registration Authority
(MARA)
was established to regulate the activities of the migration advice
profession to
provide consumers with appropriate protection and assurance.[17] In August
2009, the Minister announced that his department would be strengthening
checks
on student visa applications to address fraud and ensure students have the
financial capacity to live and study in Australia.[18] The Deputy Prime
Minister as
well as the Minister for Immigration both reaffirmed that:
...coming to Australia to study is about being a student in Australia while
applying for permanent residence is about Australia's migration system and
the
two should be seen as separate systems with no automatic link between
studying in
Australia and access to permanent residence
[quote fin]
S tudent who applies for a student Visa with the intent of obtaining
permanent
redidency is commiting fraud, which is most of them.
>>
>> like `remembering` you had a laptop and a camera in the car
>> _after_ it got stolen ...
>>
>>>> from Australians and anyone who has a problem with that
>>>> needs to seriously reconsider their idea of how Dedicated they are
>>>> to Australia
>>>> rather than some pie in the sky, juvenile ideals.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who has a problem with boosting exports *and* selecting the
>>> absolute best as migrants is a terminal idiot.
>>
>> I want to boost exports. All these clever little wogs going back to
>> the Homelands, sparkly eyed and filled with awe of the glory of
>> our Australian culture and filled with precious knowledge moving
>> into positions of power as the movers and shakers of the next
>> generation and all of them infatuated with Australia.
>
> Than Australia should spend the money and increase the number of
> fullscholarships for o/s students
>
Overseas aid is a different issue
>>
>> Never said otherwise.
>>
>> You may think that habitual criminals and `lowlifes` make good
>> Australians but that is a very old fashioned perspective and
>> not valid or socially accepted, anymore. Not for a long time now ...
>
> Habitual criminals and lowlifes aren't on the top of my list for
> making good Australians but what has this got to do with your argument
Not permitting any Student Visa `student` from applying for permanant
residency till they have returned to their Homelands and apply as an
imigrant
and going through the standard steps will keep the crims out. You for some
reason
think fraud is not a crime.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/visa-fees-rejigged-for-students-20091108-i3k3.html
[quote stt]
Indians overtook Chinese as the biggest student market, with more than
65,000 students granted visas last year, increasing 37 per cent from the
year before.
Since the Government cracked down on student visa fraud in August, the
proportion
of people withdrawing visa applications for study has tripled. More than
150 agents
have been barred from arranging student visas online, based on evidence
of fraud or inactivity.
Senator Evans is also trying to rectify the skewed set of skills
international students
bring to Australia when they use course qualifications as a way to gain
permanent residency.
[quote fin]
Fraud
[qs]
noun
1.deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for
profit
or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2.a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election
frauds.
3.any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste
of time.
4.a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
[qf]
dechucka
So we agree
>
>
dechucka
>> snip
>>
>>>>> No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent
>>>>> residents from any country.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Other countries wouldn't like us poaching their best eggs.
>>> Fraudulant criminal exonomic refugees are a different matter.
>>
>> Other countries don't have much say in it as most of these students
>> are self funded
>
> Their Governments have an obligation to act on international crime and
> maintaining the integrity of their financial system by controlling
> funds leaving the country.
crap
> Not so long ago we in Australia were restricted as citizens to limit
> semding funds
> overseas to.$3000 per week without extra scrutiny.
> At one stage I was knocked back by the NAB from buying a chunk of
> Homg Kong dollars in preparation for an overseas buying trip because
> the bank had concerns is was gambling in the foriegn money market.
>
> Things have changed a bit.
so Aus has caught up with the rest of the world
Yes or no.
Sorry being a student doesn't give you a right to residency
regn.pickfod
> "regn.pickfod" <re...@mysoul.cop.au> wrote in message
> news:4b4b...@news.comindico.com.au...
>> dechucka wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>>> No Uni student should be permitted to stay on as permanent
>>>>>> residents from any country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other countries wouldn't like us poaching their best eggs.
>>>> Fraudulant criminal exonomic refugees are a different matter.
>>>
>>> Other countries don't have much say in it as most of these students
>>> are self funded
>>
>> Their Governments have an obligation to act on international crime
>> and maintaining the integrity of their financial system by
>> controlling funds leaving the country.
>
> crap
>
>> Not so long ago we in Australia were restricted as citizens to limit
>> semding funds
>> overseas to.$3000 per week without extra scrutiny.
>> At one stage I was knocked back by the NAB from buying a chunk of
>> Homg Kong dollars in preparation for an overseas buying trip because
>> the bank had concerns is was gambling in the foriegn money market.
>>
>> Things have changed a bit.
>
> so Aus has caught up with the rest of the world
>
As we have seen in the last 2 years that is not necessarily,
a good thing
Yes.
The bribery and fraud of these students and their Student for
residency scam tip the chances of a successful application
for permanent resiency in their favour