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dea...@my-deja.com

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Aug 24, 2000, 12:31:46 AM8/24/00
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Just read the front page of the Melbourne Herald Sun today that 7 footy
commentator Doug Hawkins, has been arrested for assaulting his wife.
Now, Doug Hawkins may have been a great player for Footscray but I have
no time for "wife bashers". Husbands who do that sort of thing, should
be locked up indefinitely. Just goes to show that people with an easy
going manner like Doug, can be real fucking arseholes(excuse the
language). I guess Doug may be joining Stan and Tracy on the
unemployment TV line very soon after the negative press that he has
received today.

Thoughts people?

Dean


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ED

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Aug 24, 2000, 2:33:59 AM8/24/00
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I have been busy all day so don't know for sure what is going on but
if it was in the hun its probably a massive beat up(excuse the pun).

dea...@optushome.com.au

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Aug 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/24/00
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In article <hbg9qsk9f7adhj2hn...@4ax.com>,

ED <ee...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
> >Dean
> I have been busy all day so don't know for sure what is going on but
> if it was in the hun its probably a massive beat up(excuse the pun).


Hi Ed,

Yeah, well since I posted this message, it was indeed a massive beat
up. As per usual, the journalistic integrity of the Herald Sun came
into question with the story being completely false. Apparently, Doug
only pushed his wife and did NOT bash her. They have apparently made up
and the intervention order or proposed intervention order that his wife
proposed, has been dropped. I reckon the two journalists who reported
the story, should lose their jobs. However, I still think you should
never ever touch your wife and that includes pushing her.

Cheers

Hoju

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Aug 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/24/00
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<dea...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8o28fj$ddk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

i'd wait until he was actually found guilty. these days when couples split
the first thing they do is claim the other was violent and get court
orders... their dirty lawyers seem to think it helps get more money in the
divorce settlement.

tomorrow we may see him making the same claim against his wife

hehehe

ho'JU

--
el queso es viejo y mohoso

dea...@my-deja.com

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Aug 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/24/00
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In article <_55p5.364$cr3....@ozemail.com.au>,

"Hoju" <nob...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> i'd wait until he was actually found guilty. these days when couples
split
> the first thing they do is claim the other was violent and get court
> orders... their dirty lawyers seem to think it helps get more money
in the
> divorce settlement.


The thing is settled now of course. It was a just a pure beat up. Bad
journalism really at fault.

Hoju

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Aug 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/24/00
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<dea...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:8o2n7u$u29$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > >Dean
> > I have been busy all day so don't know for sure what is going on but
> > if it was in the hun its probably a massive beat up(excuse the pun).
>
> Yeah, well since I posted this message, it was indeed a massive beat
> up. As per usual, the journalistic integrity of the Herald Sun came
> into question with the story being completely false. Apparently, Doug
> only pushed his wife and did NOT bash her. They have apparently made up
> and the intervention order or proposed intervention order that his wife
> proposed, has been dropped. I reckon the two journalists who reported
> the story, should lose their jobs. However, I still think you should
> never ever touch your wife and that includes pushing her.

unless she spoils dinner

then all bets are off

Dopester

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Aug 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/24/00
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> Thoughts people?
>

yup, make sure you have ALL the facts before condeming ppl.

Dopester

dea...@optushome.com.au

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Aug 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/24/00
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In article <39a501ae$0$755$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,

If ya read my second post, you would know it's a beat up. Doug never
bashed his wife at all. It was the stupidity of the melbourne press
that caused this. However, I still believe you should never lay a hand
on your wife period.

The Vegemite Kid

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Aug 24, 2000, 11:00:11 PM8/24/00
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You don't know my 'trouble and strife'.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:43:45 GMT, dea...@optushome.com.au wrote:
--snippety--


>I still think you should never ever touch your wife and that includes pushing her.
>

>Cheers
>Dean


buff...@my-deja.com

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Aug 24, 2000, 10:46:59 PM8/24/00
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In article <8o45dq$ki4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

dea...@optushome.com.au wrote:
> In article <39a501ae$0$755$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
> "Dopester" <dope...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Thoughts people?
> > >
> >
> > yup, make sure you have ALL the facts before condeming ppl.
> >
> > Dopester
> >
>
> If ya read my second post, you would know it's a beat up. Doug never
> bashed his wife at all. It was the stupidity of the melbourne press
> that caused this. However, I still believe you should never lay a hand
> on your wife period.
>
> Dean
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>

despite whether people should lay hands on their wives or not, did we
really need to know this? If dougie did this or not, what's it to us?
And you showed a lot of interest in bagging dougie when you thought it
was true. Maybe the melbourne press isn't as stupid after all.

dea...@optushome.com.au

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Aug 24, 2000, 10:54:13 PM8/24/00
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In article <8o4mmu$7t8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

buff...@my-deja.com wrote:
> despite whether people should lay hands on their wives or not, did we
> really need to know this? If dougie did this or not, what's it to us?

Yeah true, I think I over reacted a bit. Shows I got sucked in by the
Melbourne press.


> And you showed a lot of interest in bagging dougie when you thought it
> was true.

Yeah your right but I just can stand wife bashers( and of course
Dougie is not of them juding by the love for his wife). I hate them

>Maybe the melbourne press isn't as stupid after all.

Dont you think those 2 journos should be sacked immediately for writing
what was untrue?

Cheers

The Vegemite Kid

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Aug 24, 2000, 11:04:37 PM8/24/00
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Yeah, I keep well away from my wife period.

>snippage


> However, I still believe you should never lay a hand
>on your wife period.
>

buff...@my-deja.com

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Aug 24, 2000, 11:17:13 PM8/24/00
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Actually I don't think they should. Everyone makes mistakes. And
sometimes the first news that comes to hand isn't necessarily what
happened. Just look at the reports of what came out after Diana's
death. People were saying she only had a broken arm. I'm not saying
this is the same, just that they shouldn't be sacked for one mistake.
Dougie probably has grounds for a defamation suit though.

Ian Galbraith

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Aug 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/25/00
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:17:13 GMT, buff...@my-deja.com wrote:

:Actually I don't think they should. Everyone makes mistakes. And

Mistakes of that nature can affect a person for the rest of his life.
Journalists should be held to higher standards and yes they should be
sacked.

[snip]


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Ian Galbraith
Email: igalb...@ozonline.com.au ICQ#: 7849631

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irrational in order to prove that you care, or indeed why it
should be necessary to prove it at all." -Avon, Blakes 7

dea...@optushome.com.au

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Aug 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/25/00
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In article <39a5f461...@news.latrobe.edu.au>,

igalb...@ozonline.com.au (Ian Galbraith) wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:17:13 GMT, buff...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> :Actually I don't think they should. Everyone makes mistakes. And
>
> Mistakes of that nature can affect a person for the rest of his life.
> Journalists should be held to higher standards and yes they should be
> sacked.
>
> [snip]
>
> Be Seeing You
> --
> Ian Galbraith

Agree with you Ian. Journalists are expected to get their facts
straight and on many occasions they dont. Dougie should take the Herald
Sun to the cleaners on this because it is just crap journalism

buff...@my-deja.com

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Aug 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/27/00
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> > Agree with you Ian. Journalists are expected to get their facts >
straight and on many occasions they dont. Dougie should take the Herald > Sun
to the cleaners on this because it is just crap journalism > > Dean > I
totally agree journalists should get their facts straight. Most of the time,
they do. Sometimes, they don't. Journo's mistakes are always more public
than mistakes everyone else makes at work. It's not like ALL journos are
ALWAYS making mistakes for the fun of it. They do take steps to be careful.
Who wants to get sued for millions of dollars? Who knows what the situation
was this time, and Dougie has every right to sue them. They have to pay for
their big mistakes, but it doesn't make them crap journalists. They will
learn from it, believe me.

dea...@optushome.com.au

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Aug 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/27/00
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In article <8ob9tp$dnf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

buff...@my-deja.com wrote:
Dean> I
> totally agree journalists should get their facts straight. Most of
the time,
> they do. Sometimes, they don't.

Yep, but on most occasions the Herald Sun melbourne doesnt. Their
reputation as Melbourne's leading paper is going down the drain.


> Who wants to get sued for millions of dollars? Who knows what
the situation
> was this time, and Dougie has every right to sue them. They
have to pay for
> their big mistakes, but it doesn't make them crap journalists.

It is crap journalism. Probably someone have had an agenda against Doug
somewhere.


They will
> learn from it, believe me.

My word they will.

David L. Hardie.

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Aug 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/27/00
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:27:08 GMT, dea...@optushome.com.au wrote:

>In article <8ob9tp$dnf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> buff...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Dean> I
>> totally agree journalists should get their facts straight. Most of
>the time,
>> they do. Sometimes, they don't.
>
>Yep, but on most occasions the Herald Sun melbourne doesnt. Their
>reputation as Melbourne's leading paper is going down the drain.

Not that I have lived in Melbourne for a few years but when *did* the
Herald Sun have a reputation as Melbourne's leading paper?

Regards,


High priest in the cult of Diogenes.

Richard John Cavell

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Aug 27, 2000, 7:54:56 PM8/27/00
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Hi all,

I'm a bit late for this thread but I just wanted to defend the Herald-Sun.
People are accusing it of misreporting a story over Doug Hawkins.

I'm the first to say that the quality of Australian journalism is rubbish,
but the Herald-Sun did not misreport anything. We know the following:

- His wife alleged that he pushed her and punched her
- His wife sought a restraining order against him
- He had been drinking at the time of the incident (he admits this)

All of the above is true. The case goes to court today, where it is
believed she will drop the application.

I can understand two people having a falling out and later making up, but
don't accuse the Herald-Sun of misrepresentation, and don't think that
Hawkins is necessarily innocent of punching his wife.

Later on, the two did the obligatory 'happy family' photograph and TV
cameos. It is clear that something has been put right, which went wrong
in the first place.

Damn me if this isn't in the public interest. Father of the Year indeed.

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Ian Galbraith

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Aug 27, 2000, 10:23:52 PM8/27/00
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:15:24 GMT, David L. Hardie. wrote:

:On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:27:08 GMT, dea...@optushome.com.au wrote:
[snip]

:>Yep, but on most occasions the Herald Sun melbourne doesnt. Their


:>reputation as Melbourne's leading paper is going down the drain.

:Not that I have lived in Melbourne for a few years but when *did* the
:Herald Sun have a reputation as Melbourne's leading paper?

Never.

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Ian Galbraith

Fish!

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Aug 27, 2000, 10:39:23 PM8/27/00
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In article <39c6c8fe...@news.latrobe.edu.au>,
igalb...@ozonline.com.au says...

> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:15:24 GMT, David L. Hardie. wrote:
>
> :On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:27:08 GMT, dea...@optushome.com.au wrote:
> [snip]
>
> :>Yep, but on most occasions the Herald Sun melbourne doesnt. Their
> :>reputation as Melbourne's leading paper is going down the drain.
>
> :Not that I have lived in Melbourne for a few years but when *did* the
> :Herald Sun have a reputation as Melbourne's leading paper?
>
> Never.
>
>
>
> Be Seeing You
>


leading 'toilet' paper.

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dea...@my-deja.com

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Aug 27, 2000, 10:59:17 PM8/27/00
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In article <39c6c8fe...@news.latrobe.edu.au>,

igalb...@ozonline.com.au (Ian Galbraith) wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:15:24 GMT, David L. Hardie. wrote:
>
> :On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:27:08 GMT, dea...@optushome.com.au wrote:
> [snip]
>
> :>Yep, but on most occasions the Herald Sun melbourne doesnt. Their
> :>reputation as Melbourne's leading paper is going down the drain.
>
> :Not that I have lived in Melbourne for a few years but when *did* the
> :Herald Sun have a reputation as Melbourne's leading paper?
>
> Never.

Hell, I agree with you both. They claim to be melbourne's leading paper
Not in my opinion


> Be Seeing You
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> Ian Galbraith
> Email: igalb...@ozonline.com.au ICQ#: 7849631
>
> "I have never understood why it should be necessary to become
> irrational in order to prove that you care, or indeed why it
> should be necessary to prove it at all." -Avon, Blakes 7
>

dea...@optushome.com.au

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Aug 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/28/00
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In article <MPG.14147be6b...@vic.nnrp.telstra.net>,

Beautifully put.

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