The Panel vs Today?
V01TeK
Today and Kim Beazley?
I was getting coffee and came in on the end of it ... sounded half
interesting.
(As was Jeff McMullen ... now there's a journo with integrity)
Chris
Wollongong Quokka
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They asked Beazley to come on for an interview. He wasn't available.
Today thought they would be smartarses and tried to ascertain his schedule
(online perhaps?), coming to the conclusion he had an early appointment
(7.10? 7.30?) then nothing until 9, then gave the most childish display of
"Waaaaaaaaa, he wouldn't come on our program!" I've seen in quite some
time... and possibly the most childish I've ever seen on TV.
They were forced to admit the following day that he had been busy, but in
true style tried to sweep it under the carpet and were low on detail.
A lot of ho hum stuff on the Panel tonight... lowest being the Heathrow
airport announcement. Like, how old is that now? I head Club Veg doing it
two months ago and I doubt they were particularly hot off the presses with
it.
Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
Kate's arse was... well... possibly not even Kate's arse.
Art... art my... um... arse.
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Katharine S
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Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you hear
it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
expected.
It's about as revealing as you can get to have one guitar and your voice,
many current singers couldn't cut it, but she was great.
> Kate's arse was... well... possibly not even Kate's arse.
> Art... art my... um... arse.
Pity Kate went on about losing her clothes (and where were they after all
that?) and didn't explain about what an amazing experience it was to be a
part of. Something a few seconds of footage from the worst possible angle
couldn't possibly bring across!
And she must have been still warm on alcohol at the event to not mention the
cold in every second sentence when talking about it, like everyone else does
:)
(disclaimer - I think she mentioned it a couple of times, but that's not
enough!)
--
Katharine S.
spamblock in action
V01TeK
>
Oh, no. Please no. Get that woman off my tv.
> Art... art my... um... arse.
>
How so?
Chris
Wollongong Quokka
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>
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> > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
>
> Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you
hear
> it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
> expected.
Seems to be fairly typical for a British singer... or indeed almost any
singer. The accent normally seems to slip away when they sing, so it hits
you fairly hard when you hear them speak. But I happen to go for that
accent she has going, so it's fine for me, fitting in nicely with that whole
cute Brit singer thing. :)
> It's about as revealing as you can get to have one guitar and your voice,
> many current singers couldn't cut it, but she was great.
Excellent. Almost like Jewel, but also not at all like Jewel, if you follow
me.
Wollongong Quokka
> > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
>
> Oh, no. Please no. Get that woman off my tv.
Tina rabbits madly on a bit... but she adds freshness to the show in a way
that Kate can't. I like her... but I certainly can see how she could also
be bloody annoying to others.
> > Art... art my... um... arse.
>
> How so?
Mostly a comment about Kate's comments - as Katharine S just alluded to -
Kate seemed to be overcome more with "Oooh, I took my clothes off" and very
happy for this to be referenced to "Art", but no-one appeared to have any
idea.
In any case, I think it's a bit dull. It might be very cutting edge in the
US where nudity is quite taboo, but here it's more "Oooh, nude people.
Cool.". You'll notice that every report about this bloke has to make a big
deal out of how *normally* he runs into a lot of strife.
Give me Christo any day. Wrapping stuff. Seriously... I like it. I
wouldn't call it high art perhaps... but I still like it.
And let this bloke have his nude people... no worries.
renster
> Chris
mentioned? Sounds like a good book.
rene
Wollongong Quokka
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I missed it, but if you're possibly talking cameraman, war, and biography
I'd plump for Tim Bowden's "One Crowded Hour : Neil Davis, Combat Cameraman,
1934-1985".
Even if it wasn't what McMullen mentioned, this one is well worth a read.
Also available on CD/Tape, read by Tim Bowden and Hugo Weaving.
Bingus
> >
>
> Oh, no. Please no. Get that woman off my tv.
Agreed. Maybe its just me, but she just didnt seem to fit in with the rest
of them.
Bingus
David L Hardie
<pal...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Steve Leibman on Ch Nein's 'Today' got a bit peeved on air when Big Kim
(or his staff) decided that he had better things to do than appear on
the show. Even the following day when Steve was meant to be apologising
he was still pissed off and quite sarcastic.
D.
David L Hardie
Quokka" <quo...@zip.net.au> wrote:
I remember getting that as an email last year.
> Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
Was he? Why?
But Tina was cute, she did not make a great contribution but she didn't
just sit there mute and immobile.
> Kate's arse was... well... possibly not even Kate's arse.
>
> Art... art my... um... arse.
In the words of John Elliott (attrib.) 'Pigs Arse!'
But (and I don't want to get into a philosophical debate which could go
on for ever) I think it is art. The pictures of his I have seen really
have an impact and in a surreal way are quite beatiful and not the least
pornographic.
D.
merops
Gregor Samsa woke from an uneasy sleep one day, and found he had turned
into a giant "Wollongong Quokka" <quo...@zip.net.au>:
>
> Give me Christo any day. Wrapping stuff. Seriously... I like it. I
> wouldn't call it high art perhaps... but I still like it.
>
That's the thing about postmodern art: the premise is that
there's no such thing as "high" art. It's all just art, and the
"high" bit is just a label used for political reasons, to
disenfranchise the great unwashed. Thus comic books have as
much claim to be literature as Shakespeare.
Hence Warhol's cans of soup, Lichtenstein's comic strips,
Christo's wrapping.
--
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Wollongong Quokka
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> > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
>
> Was he? Why?
Errrr... Dido is quite definately female. If not, I'm going to need to get
my eyes, ears and probably my entire brain checked.
*She* was good because she was an easy-going down-to-earth-sounding guest
and sung well with just a guitar backing. And she's cute.
> But Tina was cute, she did not make a great contribution but she didn't
> just sit there mute and immobile.
She did alright I thought. She's not intimidated by the Panel and is a
reasonably regular guest. Like Kate, she says what she thinks, but she's
normally a bit more on the ball. Well at least on a different ball than the
one Kate's on.
> But (and I don't want to get into a philosophical debate which could go
> on for ever) I think it is art. The pictures of his I have seen really
> have an impact and in a surreal way are quite beatiful and not the least
> pornographic.
Oh, I agree they're not pornographic. I just feel it's all been done and
done some time ago. He's certainly manage to flood that particular market
just by himself.
But if you get something from it, you get something from it... I can't argue
with that.
Ian Galbraith
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:> Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
:Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you hear
:it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
:expected.
She sounded a lot more cockney than I expected.
[snip]
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"I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination
is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination
encircles the world." - Albert Einstein
Ian Galbraith
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:> > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
:> Oh, no. Please no. Get that woman off my tv.
:Tina rabbits madly on a bit... but she adds freshness to the show in a way
:that Kate can't. I like her... but I certainly can see how she could also
:be bloody annoying to others.
I thought she was pretty good. She was a lot better than most female
guest panelists they have on and she had Kate's number which was funny
to see.
Gecko
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>I missed it, but if you're possibly talking cameraman, war, and biography
>I'd plump for Tim Bowden's "One Crowded Hour : Neil Davis, Combat Cameraman,
>1934-1985".
>
>Even if it wasn't what McMullen mentioned, this one is well worth a read.
>Also available on CD/Tape, read by Tim Bowden and Hugo Weaving.
>
Yep....that was the one mentioned.
Gecko
Katharine S
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> Oh, I agree they're not pornographic. I just feel it's all been done and
> done some time ago. He's certainly manage to flood that particular market
> just by himself.
Not by 4300 people in the middle of Melbourne it hasn't :)
Katharine S
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> > > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
> >
> > Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you
> hear
> > it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
> > expected.
>
> Seems to be fairly typical for a British singer... or indeed almost any
> singer. The accent normally seems to slip away when they sing, so it hits
> you fairly hard when you hear them speak. But I happen to go for that
> accent she has going, so it's fine for me, fitting in nicely with that
whole
> cute Brit singer thing. :)
It was actually more the look that got me, rather than the accent - I just
wasn't expecting that fairly typical young, slim, blonde singer - I think I
expected someone older, maybe not caucasian...
> > It's about as revealing as you can get to have one guitar and your
voice,
> > many current singers couldn't cut it, but she was great.
>
> Excellent. Almost like Jewel, but also not at all like Jewel, if you
follow
> me.
Kinda :)
JS
and
> > done some time ago. He's certainly manage to flood that particular
market
> > just by himself.
> Not by 4300 people in the middle of Melbourne it hasn't :)
So which bum was yours, K? ;)
JS
Katharine S
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The one next to yours, J :)
Somewhere in that sea of pink!
Phil Herring
> Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you hear
> it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
> expected.
Feh!
She's like Sade... she can hold a note, but she has a range of about
half an octave. But her songs are mildly interesting, and she's cute, in
a blonde-and-pink sort of way.
-- Phil
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> > > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
> >
> > Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you
> hear
> > it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
> > expected.
>
> Seems to be fairly typical for a British singer... or indeed almost any
> singer. The accent normally seems to slip away when they sing, so it hits
> you fairly hard when you hear them speak. But I happen to go for that
> accent she has going, so it's fine for me, fitting in nicely with that whole
> cute Brit singer thing. :)
Glad I had the tape ready for the show, what with Jeff McMullen AND Dido. I see
there's a new cover for No Angel. Is that a "special tour edition with extra CD,
featuring live tracks" thing?
I've been meaning to the the CD (since the Roswell pilot. How long ago was
that?), I think it's about time :)
Wollongong Quokka
But so what? It's been done by whatever number of people in an extensive
list of cities around the world already. It's not remotely new and he
himself is managing to dilute the original impact further at every
opportunity.
Katharine S
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> Katharine S wrote:
>
> > Dido's got a very interesting voice - it's one of those ones where you
hear
> > it on the radio, and when you see the person they're nothing like you
> > expected.
>
> Feh!
>
> She's like Sade... she can hold a note, but she has a range of about
> half an octave.
Considering the song she sang covered more than that range, I'd say you're
off by a fair amount...
But her songs are mildly interesting, and she's cute, in
> a blonde-and-pink sort of way.
I don't really care whether she's cute or not - the songs I've heard are
excellent, she has a very unique quality to her voice, and for extra brownie
points, she can sing well live.
Katharine S
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> >
> > > Oh, I agree they're not pornographic. I just feel it's all been done
> and
> > > done some time ago. He's certainly manage to flood that particular
> market
> > > just by himself.
> >
> > Not by 4300 people in the middle of Melbourne it hasn't :)
>
> But so what? It's been done by whatever number of people in an extensive
> list of cities around the world already. It's not remotely new and he
> himself is managing to dilute the original impact further at every
> opportunity.
I see your so what and raise it another so what - I was only vaguely aware
of the whole thing before now, so to me, 'diluting the original impact' is
completely irrelevent, as I assume it would be to the thousands of other
people who would have and will become aware of this particular art form
because of this specific event.
I really don't get your logic - would you say the same thing about a still
life painting of a bowl of fruit? Once it's been done, that should be it,
because it won't be new anymore, and each time something similar, even if
it's of a different arrangement of different fruits, is painted, it will
dilute the original impact?
Wollongong Quokka
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> Glad I had the tape ready for the show, what with Jeff McMullen AND Dido.
I see
> there's a new cover for No Angel. Is that a "special tour edition with
extra CD,
> featuring live tracks" thing?
I think it is marked as a "special tour edition", but I gather it contains
remixes as opposed to live versions. Track listing of the Bonus CD is:
1 Thank You (deep Dish Mix)
2 Thank You (skinny Mix)
3 Here With Me (chillin' With the Family Mix)
4 Here With Me (lukas Burton Mix)
5 Hunter (francois K Mix)
It should be noted that No Angel was released twice in the UK also, the
second version (released in Janurary) having the silver cover, the 12 tracks
plus videos of Here With Me and Thank You. It would be nice if the videos
turned up here as well. Really it is pretty lazy that they're not on our
first version.
Wollongong Quokka
[Dido]
> It was actually more the look that got me, rather than the accent - I just
> wasn't expecting that fairly typical young, slim, blonde singer - I think
I
> expected someone older, maybe not caucasian...
Ah I see, the CD cover and booklet make it reasonbly clear. :)
Interestingly I've just had that feeling with Blu Cantrell when I saw the
video of Hit 'Em Up Style (Oops!)... I sort of half expected someone looking
more like Eve, but instead she's almost as white as Michael Jackson.
Sir Oran
<quo...@zip.net.au> wrote:
>In any case, I think it's a bit dull. It might be very cutting edge in the
>US where nudity is quite taboo, but here it's more "Oooh, nude people.
>Cool.". You'll notice that every report about this bloke has to make a big
>deal out of how *normally* he runs into a lot of strife.
>
>Give me Christo any day. Wrapping stuff. Seriously... I like it. I
>wouldn't call it high art perhaps... but I still like it.
>
>And let this bloke have his nude people... no worries.
Someone should wrap up some naked people and take photos of them. That
would be doubly art!
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Sir Oran
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television does not exist. In fact, deep in their hearts, this is what
the spuds crave most: a rich, new, participatory life.
(Barbara Ehrenreich)
Wollongong Quokka
> I don't really care whether she's cute or not - the songs I've heard are
> excellent, she has a very unique quality to her voice, and for extra
brownie
> points, she can sing well live.
For the record, I had no idea what she looked like when I made the decision
to get her CD, and only became aware that she was cute when I first saw the
CD cover. Even then, I didn't buy it at that stage, as £13.99 was judged a
tad steep. :)
Wollongong Quokka
> I see your so what and raise it another so what
:)
> - I was only vaguely aware of the whole thing before now,
IIRC, one of the stories on the first series of Race Around The World (1997)
covered on of this bloke's shoots. In Washington DC I think it was, with
the Capitol behind.
> so to me, 'diluting the original impact' is
> completely irrelevent, as I assume it would be to the thousands of other
> people who would have and will become aware of this particular art form
> because of this specific event.
I'm surprised it has taken this long honestly... the 1997 RATW story was
merely the *first* time I came across this thing. I think I'm up to about
10 now.
I think I could accept this point more if he was perhaps doing little stunts
as part of publicity tour or something... but even then I'm dubious. But
although this is a major part of what he is doing, it still remains that he
carries the pretence of it being the art of his photographs.
> I really don't get your logic - would you say the same thing about a still
> life painting of a bowl of fruit? Once it's been done, that should be it,
> because it won't be new anymore, and each time something similar, even if
> it's of a different arrangement of different fruits, is painted, it will
> dilute the original impact?
Possibly. If you don't change the style, but merely move the apple slightly
to the left and perhaps change the colour of the wall in the background...
I'd generally say you were bereft of ideas. It's different if the works
were deliberately done as one at one time. Fine, if he wants to do them all
over the world you can make an allowance for the time that will take to put
together... but this seems to be an ongoing thing and his point doesn't seem
to change from event to event. And the works have not been held over to go
together.
Sir Oran
<dav...@space.net.au> wrote:
>In article <3bc44c80$0$570$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Wollongong
>Quokka" <quo...@zip.net.au> wrote:
>> A lot of ho hum stuff on the Panel tonight... lowest being the Heathrow
>> airport announcement. Like, how old is that now? I head Club Veg doing
>> it
>> two months ago and I doubt they were particularly hot off the presses
>> with
>> it.
>
>I remember getting that as an email last year.
This was a series of candid-camera style sketches on a BBC radio 1
comedy show in 1994.
http://www.rethink.demon.co.uk/laugh.html (click "radio one 1994")
This site also has wav files of the sketches.
Katharine S
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> I'm surprised it has taken this long honestly... the 1997 RATW story was
> merely the *first* time I came across this thing. I think I'm up to about
> 10 now.
I think I've vaguely heard of it twice before now, the RATW is coming back
to me now - in fact that may have been the one and only time I've come
across it.
> I think I could accept this point more if he was perhaps doing little
stunts
> as part of publicity tour or something... but even then I'm dubious. But
> although this is a major part of what he is doing, it still remains that
he
> carries the pretence of it being the art of his photographs.
>
> > I really don't get your logic - would you say the same thing about a
still
> > life painting of a bowl of fruit? Once it's been done, that should be
it,
> > because it won't be new anymore, and each time something similar, even
if
> > it's of a different arrangement of different fruits, is painted, it will
> > dilute the original impact?
> Possibly. If you don't change the style, but merely move the apple
slightly
> to the left and perhaps change the colour of the wall in the background...
> I'd generally say you were bereft of ideas.
From what I've seen of his photos, there's a lot of different variations,
much more than the equivalent of moving an apple slightly to the left...
each one is a variation on a theme - but who says someone can't explore a
theme to a large degree? How is it different to a sculpture who only uses
clay, or a painter who only uses oils?
It's different if the works
> were deliberately done as one at one time. Fine, if he wants to do them
all
> over the world you can make an allowance for the time that will take to
put
> together... but this seems to be an ongoing thing and his point doesn't
seem
> to change from event to event. And the works have not been held over to
go
> together.
My understanding is that his current project is to do these shoots on each
continent.
Even if something is pretty much the same each time, but involving different
people and locations, they're still equally valid IMO, and the repetition
doesn't lessen the impact so that it's not really worthwhile. If new people
get to experience it - and that means be in the pictures as well as seeing
the pictures - then good on him.
The question is I suppose - if an artist has done a few pieces of artwork
that are all similar, does that lessen the value of each separate one? I get
the impression that you are saying yes, but I'm seeing it more from the
point of view of this one particular photo shoot, not having previously seen
much of his work, and also as having been a participant.
Wollongong Quokka
> > Possibly. If you don't change the style, but merely move the apple
> > slightly
> > to the left and perhaps change the colour of the wall in the
background...
> > I'd generally say you were bereft of ideas.
>
> From what I've seen of his photos, there's a lot of different variations,
> much more than the equivalent of moving an apple slightly to the left...
That was a slightly facetious exageration... the point reamins the same.
> each one is a variation on a theme - but who says someone can't explore a
> theme to a large degree?
Like I say... if it was part of the one work I'd accept that argument. But
as an ongoing series that *appears* to be his main focus, drawn out over
such a long time, I can't see it as much more than lack of ideas... or a
bigger than appropriate sense of the value of the original idea.
> How is it different to a sculpture who only uses
> clay, or a painter who only uses oils?
Or a photographer who only uses photographs?
This should answer your question sufficiently. :)
It's very different.
> My understanding is that his current project is to do these shoots on each
> continent.
Hmmm, gee, yes, that adds a lot to the message.
I'm sorry, but if he'd done this as one set and then come out with them I'd
take the point, but as this isn't the way he's been going about it (how many
*has* he done in the US now?), I don't.
> Even if something is pretty much the same each time, but involving
different
> people and locations, they're still equally valid IMO, and the repetition
> doesn't lessen the impact so that it's not really worthwhile. If new
people
> get to experience it - and that means be in the pictures as well as seeing
> the pictures - then good on him.
I don't really feel the experience of being in it is of any consequence to
be quite honest with you. Create your own interesting experiences I say,
this bandwagon is old and rusting.
> The question is I suppose - if an artist has done a few pieces of artwork
> that are all similar, does that lessen the value of each separate one? I
get
> the impression that you are saying yes
It depends on the delivery. A four year project to collect photos around
the world falls outside what I would consider to be a reasonable time frame
to consider it as one work, and to be quite honest, I don't really think
there's much to be gained from trying one in Australian suburbia as opposed
to US suburbia.
> but I'm seeing it more from the
> point of view of this one particular photo shoot, not having previously
seen
> much of his work, and also as having been a participant.
I just don't feel the perspective of being a participant has any significant
bearing on the ongoing context of what he has been doing... and don't
honestly understand why you are making so much connection between the two.
As a one off event, great... eat, drink and be merry... but this is not
really the terms in which we've been discussing it.
The question really is... how many other artists have spent this long doing
much the same thing to this level of commonality - and gained any respect
for it?
But on the other hand, I have no problem saying that from my personal point
of view, what was interesting as a one off or presented together as a
collection (though even here I think he pushed it over the line), has become
dull because the photographer in question does not appear to be able to move
beyond this simple idea... and having not moved beyond it, has failed to
continue to capture it in new and interesting ways, exploring it fully.
Oh yes, I know there are the differences between each one - I'm saying I
don't feel these are great enough to be particularly noteworthy.
Classic case of overkill as far as I am concerned.
Wollongong Quokka
> > How is it different to a sculpture who only uses
> > clay, or a painter who only uses oils?
>
> Or a photographer who only uses photographs?
>
> This should answer your question sufficiently. :)
>
> It's very different.
Great, miss one word and the whole sentence dies a horrible death.
Try... "Or a photographer who only uses colour photographs".
David L Hardie
Hardie <dav...@space.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
>
> Was he? Why?
I know that there will be 10-20 people so, but yes, I know that should
have been 'she'.
D.
The Meerkat
<jka...@REMOVEiprimus.com.au> scattered the following pearls of wisdom
before the assembled droogs:
>"V01TeK" <pal...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:VOXw7.4408$e5.2...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
>> What was the story about the live tv bit they showed on the Panel
>concerning
>> Today and Kim Beazley?
>> I was getting coffee and came in on the end of it ... sounded half
>> interesting.
>
>The clip from The Early Show with the reporter and the host was a classic.
>
>
Agreed! And they say that women are bitchy. Those two old fats outdid
any of us girls - reooooowwww (Meerkat runs claws down monitor
screen).
Sir Oran
Katharine S
> "Katharine S" <kath...@nospamoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:vjix7.25426$Tv6.1...@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au...
> > Even if something is pretty much the same each time, but involving
> different
> > people and locations, they're still equally valid IMO, and the
repetition
> > doesn't lessen the impact so that it's not really worthwhile. If new
> people
> > get to experience it - and that means be in the pictures as well as
seeing
> > the pictures - then good on him.
>
> I don't really feel the experience of being in it is of any consequence to
> be quite honest with you. Create your own interesting experiences I say,
> this bandwagon is old and rusting.
The reason the experience of being in it adds to it IMO, is that the
participation is an artform in itself. And so each time it done, a new group
of people get to experience it.
Plus, a concept being old and rusting depends on people's exposure (so to
speak!) to the art, and until the Melbourne event, I had had very little
exposure to it, and I assume many other people would be the same. It doesn't
matter how many times an artform has been done - it's still fresh to the
people who haven't seen it before.
Should orchestras stop performing examples of classical music because
they're old and rusting, despite many people not having heard them before?
> > The question is I suppose - if an artist has done a few pieces of
artwork
> > that are all similar, does that lessen the value of each separate one? I
> get
> > the impression that you are saying yes
>
> It depends on the delivery. A four year project to collect photos around
> the world falls outside what I would consider to be a reasonable time
frame
> to consider it as one work, and to be quite honest, I don't really think
> there's much to be gained from trying one in Australian suburbia as
opposed
> to US suburbia.
No doubt Spencer would disagree with you - I'm sure he'd see each new group
of people and environments as a new type of paint to play with.
> > but I'm seeing it more from the
> > point of view of this one particular photo shoot, not having previously
> seen
> > much of his work, and also as having been a participant.
>
> I just don't feel the perspective of being a participant has any
significant
> bearing on the ongoing context of what he has been doing... and don't
> honestly understand why you are making so much connection between the two.
> As a one off event, great... eat, drink and be merry... but this is not
> really the terms in which we've been discussing it.
I'm making the connection because I was a part of it, so it influences how I
see the art form as a whole, and this involvement gave a whole new group of
people an experience of this artform, who may not have otherwise.
> The question really is... how many other artists have spent this long
doing
> much the same thing to this level of commonality - and gained any respect
> for it?
Dunno... I'm sure people have varying views on this. Bringing it back to the
classical music (as I have more experience in this type of art), some may
say that all of the Beethoven piano sonatas sound a bit the same, and after
the first few were a waste of time. Others would strongly disagree, seeing
worthwhile unique qualities in each one.
> But on the other hand, I have no problem saying that from my personal
point
> of view, what was interesting as a one off or presented together as a
> collection (though even here I think he pushed it over the line), has
become
> dull because the photographer in question does not appear to be able to
move
> beyond this simple idea... and having not moved beyond it, has failed to
> continue to capture it in new and interesting ways, exploring it fully.
>
> Oh yes, I know there are the differences between each one - I'm saying I
> don't feel these are great enough to be particularly noteworthy.
>
> Classic case of overkill as far as I am concerned.
That's a subjective thing I suppose - in any artform what some people see
variations on a theme others see as tedius.
Wollongong Quokka
> The reason the experience of being in it adds to it IMO, is that the
> participation is an artform in itself. And so each time it done, a new
group
> of people get to experience it.
It's a promotion stunt.
> Plus, a concept being old and rusting depends on people's exposure (so to
> speak!) to the art, and until the Melbourne event, I had had very little
> exposure to it, and I assume many other people would be the same. It
doesn't
> matter how many times an artform has been done - it's still fresh to the
> people who haven't seen it before.
>
> Should orchestras stop performing examples of classical music because
> they're old and rusting, despite many people not having heard them before?
Katharine, as per the last time you tried this comparison, it is ridiculous.
He's not performing a work. The work is a photograph... and like many such
works there is a back story to them (in this case, the back story far over
shadows the photograph). Each time he does this he is (at least allegedly)
in pursuit of yet another photograph.
> No doubt Spencer would disagree with you - I'm sure he'd see each new
group
> of people and environments as a new type of paint to play with.
Of course there's no doubt in that - this is what he claims and what I am
saying is a bit of a nonsense.
> I'm making the connection because I was a part of it, so it influences how
I
> see the art form as a whole, and this involvement gave a whole new group
of
> people an experience of this artform, who may not have otherwise.
Yes, I like the "You're trying to prevent people from accessing his art"
line... but the fact remains the number participating will always be
miniscule.
> Dunno... I'm sure people have varying views on this. Bringing it back to
the
> classical music (as I have more experience in this type of art), some may
> say that all of the Beethoven piano sonatas sound a bit the same, and
after
> the first few were a waste of time. Others would strongly disagree, seeing
> worthwhile unique qualities in each one.
But there is vastly more difference there to start with. And I'm speaking
as someone with vastly more interest in photographic art than in classical
music.
francis chu
> <big...@tig.com.auGO_EMBRACE_LIFE> wrote in message
> news:3BC58344...@tig.com.auGO_EMBRACE_LIFE...
> > Glad I had the tape ready for the show, what with Jeff McMullen AND Dido.
> I see
> > there's a new cover for No Angel. Is that a "special tour edition with
> extra CD,
> > featuring live tracks" thing?
>
> I think it is marked as a "special tour edition", but I gather it contains
> remixes as opposed to live versions. Track listing of the Bonus CD is:
>
> 1 Thank You (deep Dish Mix)
> 2 Thank You (skinny Mix)
It's missing "Thank You (Eminem remix)".
Francis Chu
Sydney, Australia
sf...@tig.com.au
francis chu
> "Katharine S" <kath...@nospamoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:iEbx7.24790$Tv6.1...@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au...
> [Dido]
> > It was actually more the look that got me, rather than the accent - I just
> > wasn't expecting that fairly typical young, slim, blonde singer - I think
> I
> > expected someone older, maybe not caucasian...
>
> Ah I see, the CD cover and booklet make it reasonbly clear. :)
>
> Interestingly I've just had that feeling with Blu Cantrell when I saw the
> video of Hit 'Em Up Style (Oops!)... I sort of half expected someone looking
> more like Eve, but instead she's almost as white as Michael Jackson.
>
Reminds me of Anastacia. I usually get a mental picture when I listen to the
voice, but in certain occasions their actual image is not that of what I thought
it would be.
Francis Chu
Sydney, australia
sf...@tig.com.au
Katharine S
"francis chu" <franc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3BC91785...@hotmail.com...
> Wollongong Quokka wrote:
>
> > "Katharine S" <kath...@nospamoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:iEbx7.24790$Tv6.1...@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au...
> > [Dido]
> > > It was actually more the look that got me, rather than the accent - I
just
> > > wasn't expecting that fairly typical young, slim, blonde singer - I
think
> > I
> > > expected someone older, maybe not caucasian...
> >
> > Ah I see, the CD cover and booklet make it reasonbly clear. :)
I never looked at those, so the first I saw of her was I think on Foxtel,
either top of the pops or Channel V.
> >
> > Interestingly I've just had that feeling with Blu Cantrell when I saw
the
> > video of Hit 'Em Up Style (Oops!)... I sort of half expected someone
looking
> > more like Eve, but instead she's almost as white as Michael Jackson.
> >
>
> Reminds me of Anastacia. I usually get a mental picture when I listen to
the
> voice, but in certain occasions their actual image is not that of what I
thought
> it would be.
Yeah, same with her. I certainly expected her to be much older, she's only
in her late twenties, I think.
Micmar
> "David L Hardie" <dav...@space.net.au> wrote in message
> news:davidh-F47CF3....@news.space.net.au...
> > > Dido was good though... and Tina's always cute.
> >
> > Was he? Why?
>
get
> my eyes, ears and probably my entire brain checked.
>
> *She* was good because she was an easy-going down-to-earth-sounding guest
> and sung well with just a guitar backing. And she's cute.
>
Agreed. *She* is talented and a stunner to boot.
Mic