CHANNEL 9 has criminal charges issued against Defamation Claimant!
Graham Cooper
hearing (at the default judgement for them not lodging a defence) so
it was impossible to subpoena the defamatory news video as evidence!
Shortly after that they ignored a request under Uniform Civil
Procedures 411 to hand over the defamatory news video which further
defamation action depended on.
UNIFORM CIVIL PROCEDURE RULES 1999 - SECT 411
411 Proceeding to obtain evidence for future right or claim
(1) This rule applies if a person would, under the circumstances the
person alleges to exist, become entitled to property or office on the
happening of a future event, the right or claim to which can not be
brought to trial before the happening of the event.
(2) The person may start a proceeding by application to obtain
evidence that may be material for establishing the right or claim.
BRIEF TIMELINE
2002 EXTORTION COURT CASE - Australian Skeptics have me charged
2010 DEFAMATION CASE - I attempt to sue Win TV
2010 DEFAULT JUDGEMENT - My defamation case is struck out Oct 15
2011 STALKING CHARGE - Win TV Lawyer charges me with stalking
POLICE INTERVIEW I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEPB3WCMfUM
POLICE INTERVIEW II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSrYlAIPIgY
POLICE INTERVIEW III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ggDycUBvxU
POLICE INTERVIEW IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fWeRqmbEws
See the entire interview + Exhibits at
http://www.AustralianPolice.com
Kangaroo Court Australia
Judicial and extra-judicial corruption leading to a Legal Void and
setting the "White Dogs" on the Indigenous and Origines Peoples
Dear Australian Prime Minister,
Australian Foreign Minister,
Australian Federal Police,
Independents in the Australian Federal Parliament,
The Mayor of the Corporation of the City of Port Augusta,
"White Dog is a 1982 American drama film directed by Samuel Fuller
using a screenplay written by Curtis Hanson loosely based on Romain
Gary's 1970 novel of the same title. The film depicts the struggle of
a dog trainer named Keys (Paul Winfield), who is black, trying to
retrain a stray dog found by a young actress (Kristy McNichol), that
is a "white dog"—a dog trained to viciously attack any black person.
Fuller uses the film as a platform to deliver an anti-racist message
as it examines the question of whether racism is a treatable problem
or an incurable condition."
Is this what is meant by "I'll set dogs on Aboriginal campers, says
mayor of Port Augusta, South Australia"
The forwarded email can be seen the result of the dogwhistling from
corrupt and racist High Court of Australia, in perverting the
Australian Constitution, and International Human Rights Treaties
signed by the Australian Parliament and PMs.
1. The Australian Human Rights Commission has indicated that racist
Judges can pervert international treaties, and local laws; does the
independence of the Judiciary include the right to pervert written
laws. We seek that the Australian Federal Police, investigate and
prosecute the Human Rights Commission and the lawyers instructing them
on the pervertion of justice (2-5 years imprisonment under the
Constitution), by refusing to investigate unlawful discrimination AND
then to refuse to terminate complaints under HREOC1986 s46PO.
2. We seek the Australian Federal Police to investigate the extra-
judicial corruption of the Australian Federal Court Registry
(Melbourne), and the Australian High Court Registry (Melbourne)
including registrar Rosemary Mussolino for the pervertion of justice
and the Constitution, in denying filing of applications and Notices of
Constitutional Matter. The Corruption of the Commonwealth Attorney
General(s) and the Mental Midgets on the Australian High Court is that
they now allow the registrars to answer the Questions of Law and the
Constitution for them;
3. The corruption and racism goes all the way to the Senate Committee
for Legal and Consitutional Affairs. Chairs Senators Barnett and
Crossin, failed to consider our submissions to the enquiries on
Judical systems and Role of Judges. As you can see, we are NOT afraid
to name names of corrupt judges and public servants who are supposed
to serve the public, because their names have already been included in
legal documents and Notices of a Constitutional Matter.
4. If Australian Judiciary cannot follow statutory laws in front of
them, how can they expect ordinary Australians to do so?
5. To the Independents in the Australian Parliament, the Australian
people have give you a Mandate to reign in two-party porkbarreling and
corruption, as seen by the Senate Committee for Legal and
Constitutional Affairs.
6. Will the Independents reign in the attempts by the Government and
Opposition to drive a wedge between White Australia and other
immigrants? Attempts such as from Scott Morrisson MP and the
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott MP advocating a second NT Intervention
against Australian Indigenous and Origines Peoples' lives and culture?
7. This production of "White Dogs" has lead not only to Aboriginal
deaths in Custody, but also of the Vietnamese father at the hands of
the Victorian Asian (?) Squad. The disbandment of the Victorian police
force makes no difference to the fact that the Vietnamese girl is now
fatherless, and no crime has been confirmed. Is vigilante law now in
force in Australia?
8. The "White Dogs" continue to hound the Hickey Family.
9. And the "White Dogs" complaining about welfare to refugees: Is it
the intention of the Government and the Leader of the Opposition to
produce more of these "dogs", but cutting welfare and depriving
deserving Australians, generating and inciting racial hatred. Will the
Independents pass laws to prosecute those who incite racial hatred and
violence?
10. We urge ACOSS and the National Welfare Rights Network to fight for
these "White Dogs", by stamping out corruption at the Centrelink
Authorised Review stage, Social Security Tribunal level and the
Administrative Appeals Tribunal level. Corruption from Deputy
President, Senior Members include John Handley, conspiring with
corrupt lawyers from Spark Helmore Paul Mentor, and AGS Tim De Uray
inter alia. There is a upcoming decision that will highlight the
rampant corruption and perversion of justice.
11. In the event that the Commonwealth and the Australian Judiciary
continue to pervert justice and the Constitution, we will declare
australia a LEGAL VOID, and we will apply Indigenous and Origines
Laws, The Human Rights Act UK (1992), as well as International
Treaties ICCPR and ICERD inter alia, under it.
12. We seek that the Australian Human Rights Commission terminate the
complaint of unlawful racial discrimination against the Commonwealth
in denying the Indigenous and Origines Peoples the Racial
Discrimination Act (Cth) 1972.
13. We seek a Habeus Corpeus for Mr Phong Ngo, for the conspiracy of
the Australian judiciary in perversion of the Evidence Act, in
particular Middleton J in Pham vs Commonwealth, inter alia.
14. We seek Mandamus against corrupt government officals and judicial
officials. Will the Indpendents seek to prosecute corrupt and inept
lawyers and corrupt officials who pervert the rule of law, leading to
massive payouts at the cost to taxpayers in cases such as Dr Haniff,
Vivian Solon, Cornelia Rau cases.
15. We seek the answers from the High Court of Australia, and we want
to know if our rights of equality before the law and being heard
before the law is protected, or are the corrupt registars allowed to
hold us prisoners in a LEGAL VOID, from the whiteman's law.
16. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Signed:
Charles PHAM
Monday, April 7, 2011
for
Indigenous & Origines Genocide Centre
Director: Robbie THORPE
Special Counsel: Charles PHAM
PO BOX 1007
Springvale
VIC 3171
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: 1832...@iinet.net.au <1832...@iinet.net.au>
Date: Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM
Subject: Re:from sam broad. Vietnam Veteran's letter to PM re. Muslim
Refugees/Asylum Seekers/Illegal Immigrants.
To: jim.sovere...@optusnet.com.au
Cc: ala...@exemail.com.au, alterna...@hotmail.com,
bob.katter...@aph.gov.au, i...@pm.gov.au,
libera...@nsw.liberal.org.au, nwn.webmas...@gmail.com,
R.McClelland...@aph.gov.au, robert.oakeshott...@aph.gov.au
, Samantha.Mul...@aph.gov.au, ted.baill...@parliament.vic.gov.au,
theprem...@www.nsw.gov.au, Tony.Abbott...@aph.gov.au,
Tony.Windsor...@aph.gov.au
I ask the prime minister why not do what
mr John howard the then prime minister did?
STOP THE BOATS AND THE REFUGEES.
YOU JULIA GILLARD ARE THE WORST
PRIME MINISTER AUSTRALIA HAS EVER HAD.
I DEMAND THAT YOU AND ALL LABOR PARTY
MEMBERS AND THE INDEPENDENTS VACATE
YOUR SEATS AND CALL FOR A ELECTION.
.
Sam Broad
IN GOD WE TRUST.
The People's Mandate;
Web address Political;
http://www.peoplesmandate.iinet.net.au
Click on;
Contempt of Constitution
Commonwealth a Corporation
Voters revolt.
Web address Health; http://members.iinet.net.au/~sambrod
On Wed Apr 6 11:06 , 'Jim' sent:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark n Karen
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: PLEASE READ
There is merit in what this fellow is saying, however, we would be
so much stronger as a peoples if we ditched the 'religious'(= man
made) content of our faith & united as a people.
the whole idea of the elitists in CREATING different re-legions
was to cause such friction between them that in a war they would
EXHAUST ONE ANOTHER & then whoever remains after a war of atrition
will be EASILY CONQUERED by the elitists armies. Such clever
tactics! So folks lets stop waring, dicth our diffs & be best of
friends. After all aren't we all part of man'kind - funny - 'man' &
'kind' is there a message there?
M
passed on to all concerned australians
From: jeremy browne <bull-frog4...@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: PLEASE READ
To: Received: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 7:33 AM
GILARD EMAIL
------
A Vietnam Veteran (A Company 7RAR Vietnam) Dave Harrison sent
this letter to PM....Send it on at will....TO ALL
EMAIL SENT TO PRIME MINISTER GILLARD 16 March 2011
David Harrison
Address taken out.
Dear Prime Minister Gillard,
I would like to express my concerns about the current situation
with muslim Asylum Seekers/ Refugees/ illegal immigrants.
I am a Vietnam veteran and fought for Australia. I went to war
when my country asked me without question and I am proud to say I am
Australian who loves my country. I am a member of the Frankston RSL
club with the largest membership in Victoria and visit on a regular
occasion to talk to my friends. All the people I talk to have the same
view as I do on the muslim people coming into our country.
This email will be put on the notice board and everyone's
attention will be brought to it as they enter the RSL. Your response
will also be put on the notice board. The RSL has over 3,000 members.
I will also sent this to everyone that I have their email address
and ask them to pass it on to all the other people they know. I guess
this will get to approx 7 to 8,000 people. Maybe more.
Therefore I ask for real answers to my questions.
I have lived in the Philippines and Thailand and understand what
the muslims are trying to do in the southern parts of those countries.
They are trying to get their own Islamic states and want to live
under their own laws and rules. They are killing everyone that stands
in their way. Men, women and children and even babies.
In Thailand they are killing all the teachers and burning down the
schools to force the kids to attend Islamic schools so they can covert
them to Islamic/muslim.
This is already happening in Australia where the Government and
other authorities are changing the rules to suit the muslims.
Take Dandenong area for example, the kindergartens and pre schools
now do not celebrate Christmas, Easter and other world Christian
events because all muslims there would be offended. Therefore the
Australian kids are being decimated against in there own country. THIS
IS AUSTRALIA not some other muslim country.
Another example is a school in Coburg were having a school BBQ and
the few muslim women on the committee ordered only halal meat.
Therefore the Australian kid had to miss out on the BBQ or eat muslim
meat. Your Centre Link and other government departments are banning
Christmas decorations and the worst disgrace is that these Government
Departments are stoping their staff observing the minute silence on
the 11 of November.
How dare your department’s heads instruct their staff in this way.
These are all to suit the muslims that hate our country and our way of
life here.
This is decimation against Australians and kids, which is a real
disgrace.
Another stupid thing your Government has done is bringing the
Sudanese to Australia. This is a Christian country however your
Government has accepted the refugees from the northern Sudan, which
are muslim, and not from the south which are Christian. How stupid.
Now every Sudanese woman I see is pregnant to get the baby bonus.
Again our taxes at work !!!!!!.
You and Kevin Rudd allow and welcome the Muslim boat people and
allow them privileges the Australian people don't get. Boats are
coming every day and there are another 10 to 15,000 muslim people
waiting in Indonesia and 10,000 in Malaysia that will be coming here.
The Sri Lanken muslims are on boats now as we speak coming direct
here.
How many do we have to take before they start bombing my children
and friends. You know and I know it won't be long before we get the
same problems and bombings as other countries.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE THEN !!!!!!!!!!
People smuggling around the world is a very serious offence,
however your Government welcomes it.
My suggestion,
When the boats come here, have the captain and crew charged and
jailed for people smuggling. A long jail sentence of 7 to 10 years as
this will be a deterrent to other people smugglers.
Then fly the boat people back to their own country. We spend over
$400 million to build the detention centre on Christmas Island and
many millions in keeping them and giving them things that many
Australian can only dream about. The muslims destroy the centre on a
regular basis, which costs us taxpayers many millions of dollars to
repair it. Then we repair it again and again.
Now your government is going to build another near Darwin at cost
of over 90 million and 70 million to run it per year. Is this a joke
on us taxpayers?
Or is this your Government just saying welcome to all muslims.
What added value are muslims to Australia.
They don't work just take our taxpayer dollars.
Don't want to call Australia home.
Don't accept our Christian culture.
Don't want to speak English.
Don't want to abide by our laws.
Don't want to integrate.
Don't want to go to our schools.
Don't want to play sport.
And many other don’ts.
I recently went on the Clean up Australia campaign in 2 locations
with hundreds of other people attending. Guess what!!!! NOT ONE MUSLIM
OR SUDANESE THERE TO HELP. All were in their public houses relaxing
and watching TV at what they think are stupid Australians working.
All the TV footage on the shocking Queensland floods with all the
people helping to trying to clean up. I did not see one muslim or
Sudanese helping. NO
WHY, they only care about how much money and benefits they can get
out of Australia.
Do you ever see muslims or Sudanese living in cardboard boxes or
cars with their children? NO, they are all living in our public
housing FREE but Australians if they can get one have to pay.
MY QUESTIONS TO YOU AND YOUR GOVERNMENT.
* How many muslims and Sudanese refugees live in Australia now?
* What percentage of the Australian population are each group now?
* How much of total taxpayers money spent on them for the 2005,
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 years? The total amounts.
* How much to you believe will be spent this year 2011 on
refugees?
* How much tax payers money is in the current budget to support
these people?
* If you need extra money for all the muslims boats coming, can
you tell me which budgeted area the money will come from? Is it
Hospitals, Education or reduction of Australians old age pension?
* What percentage of Australian welfare payment do these refugees
represent of the welfare budget?
* Are you going to deport the muslim trouble makers and leaders at
Christmas Island currently destroying public property?
* Why don't you allow all the Queensland and Victorian flood
victims living in tents and other shared accommodation to live in
motels like the muslims at the taxpayer’s expense?
* Why didn't you pay for the families to attend the funeral of
Sapper Jamie Larcombe who was killed recently like you did for the
muslim boat people and pay for the funeral as well?
* Is it true that these refugees get the following payments?
* Why do these muslim get a hardship allowance?
BENEFIT
AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN AUSTRALIA
Weekly allowance
$253.00
$472.50
Weekly Spouse allowance
$56.00
$472.50
Additional weekly hardship allowance
$0.00
$145.00
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT
$16,068.00
$56,680.00
Some interesting Facts....
The information below should be read by everyone, whether you
agree to its contents, or not !!!
*** NOW, LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT....
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS
HARD LABOUR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED
INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE
JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD
FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A
SPY AND
YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO A
POLITICAL
PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET:
* A JOB, IF YOU WANT ONE BUT MOST DON'T,
* AN INTERPRETER,
* FREE LEGAL AID,
* A DRIVERS LICENCE,
* A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER,
* WELFARE,
* CREDIT CARDS,
* FREE EDUCATION, AND HOUSING,
* FREE HEALTH CARE, DENTAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE,
* DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE,
* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT
YOU DO NOT GET ENOUGH RESPECT.
Sensational
By the way the boat people are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS not asylum
seekers or refugees.
Myself and most people at the RSL (WHO ALL VOTE) would like your
response to the questions and what action you are taking to stop the
muslim boat people coming here.
Regards,
David Harrison. (Butch Harrison)
. ...
CraigZ
> Shortly after they threw the defamation case out of court, without a
> hearing (at the default judgement for them not lodging a defence) so
> it was impossible to subpoena the defamatory news video as evidence!
OK, so here is your next step: Seek help from a mental health
professional.
Sylvia Else
> Shortly after they threw the defamation case out of court, without a
> hearing (at the default judgement for them not lodging a defence) so
> it was impossible to subpoena the defamatory news video as evidence!
It has already been explained to you that your application failed to
disclose a cause of action.
>
> Shortly after that they ignored a request under Uniform Civil
> Procedures 411 to hand over the defamatory news video which further
> defamation action depended on.
It has already been explained to you that your request was not valid.
> 2011 STALKING CHARGE - Win TV Lawyer charges me with stalking
The lawyer made a complaint to police. He did not charge you.
And (re subject line) Channel 9 has nothing to do with it.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Assumption!
Are you telling me you have knowledge that the Win News Lawyer who had
me charged with stalking shortly after requesting the defamatory news
video had no instructions from Win television or Channel 9?
My request for the video footage under UCDP 411 was valid.
My lawyer ALSO notified them of UCDP 411.
Here is the email they ignored. It doesn't require a lawyer, my
lawyer said that simply 'adds weight'.
------8<--------------------------
Nov 23 2010
> Dear Mr Jones,
> are you still representing Win Television?
> If so, I would like to refer to my previous court action against WIN
> Television in which you stated:
> 1/ The claim was incomplete and didn't clearly specify legal cause of
> action.
> 2/ There was no explanation for the delay in proceedings.
> As you know I was only released from involuntary treatment last year
> so it is possible my claim of defamation is not statute barred.
> I submit a copy of the court verdict that also states I was under a
> disability at the time of the publication of defamatory matter by Win
> News.
> As I am considering further legal action against Win Television it is
> my right to request evidence that may be crucial to my case.
> I would refer you to UCPR 411, 412.
> I hope I have addressed your concerns about point 2, but in order to
> make an accurate statement of claim and issue court proceedings I
> would require a copy of the
> Rockhampton Win News video from March 8, 2002 on my extortion charge
> hearing.
> If I do not receive satisfactory response within 14 days this matter
> will be referred to my legal aid.
> Regards
> Graham Cooper
Sylvia Else
> On Apr 16, 11:15 am, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>> On 15/04/2011 12:16 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>
>> And (re subject line) Channel 9 has nothing to do with it.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Assumption!
>
> Are you telling me you have knowledge that the Win News Lawyer who had
> me charged with stalking shortly after requesting the defamatory news
> video had no instructions from Win television or Channel 9?
I cannot imagine Win television or Channel 9 wanting to become involved.
You've already demonstrated an inability to mount a valid case, and even
if you won, the damages would be at a level that the broadcasters would
likely consider to be a cost of doing business.
Further, it would be most improper for the lawyer to involve the police
in a matter in regards to a stalking offence at the behest of Channel 9,
and the lawyer would know that.
You're not a signficant threat, in a legal sense, to Win or Channel 9.
At best you're a distraction and a nuisance. They're not going to risk
getting themselves into deep water legally. If they'd wanted to get back
at you, they'd have pursued you for damages regarding your failed
litigation.
>
> My request for the video footage under UCDP 411 was valid.
>
> My lawyer ALSO notified them of UCDP 411.
>
> Here is the email they ignored. It doesn't require a lawyer, my
> lawyer said that simply 'adds weight'.
I would have ignored it as well. They'd well know that responding in any
way whatsoever would simply trigger further correspondence that they'd
need to deal with. Their rational course was to do nothing until and
unless you started new proceedings in court.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
So I can't make a claim based on the evidence contrary to UCPR 411?
You certainly can't subpoena the evidence once a claim is made until
it proceeds to a hearing date being set.
Win News caused a 'disabled' man to be imprisoned 7 months and on
tranquilizers for 7 years because they ignored that the alleged
extortion attempt was a follow up to a $100,000 competition and
broadcast me as a psychopathic danger to society extorting $100,000
with threats, which you've witnessed 2000 people cite on every
newsgroup I go to for 9 years!
If that defamatory news video goes public, Channel 9 will be the
laughing stock and cover up witch hunt reporters of the century.
Sylvia Else
I don't even know what you mean by that.
>
> You certainly can't subpoena the evidence once a claim is made until
> it proceeds to a hearing date being set.
Which it would have if you'd identified a cause of action. You didn't
need to prove it, merely identify it, but you didn't even manage to do that.
Sylvia.
Alex
In aus.tv Graham Cooper <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Win News caused a 'disabled' man to be imprisoned 7 months and on
> tranquilizers for 7 years because they ignored that the alleged
> extortion attempt was a follow up to a $100,000 competition and
> broadcast me as a psychopathic danger to society extorting $100,000
> with threats, which you've witnessed 2000 people cite on every
> newsgroup I go to for 9 years!
You *bring it up yourself* by constantly referring to it in your own
posts and advertised website links. You keep dishonestly claiming
(as in this case) that other people (such as "Win News" or "Australian
Skeptics") are to blame for your incarceration. You refuse to
acknowledge that the incarceration was not caused by a "sigline of
please reply in a day or two" but your subsequent threats, in print,
to poison food, in which timescale *isn't relevant* . Your constant
attempts to spin this, particularly on Usenet, are simply pointless.
> If that defamatory news video goes public, Channel 9 will be the
> laughing stock and cover up witch hunt reporters of the century.
You've proven incapable of refraining from self-defamation, as
most recently shown when you posted your own police interview
recordings on YouTube and unsuccessfully attempted to spin your
own responses to the police questioning. There is a "laughing
stock" involved here, but it's not Channel 9...
Alex.
Graham Cooper
You can't get 1 single fact right Alex.
Like all skeptics you just constantly bullshit.
Graham Cooper
> On 16/04/2011 1:08 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>
> > So I can't make a claim based on the evidence contrary to UCPR 411?
>
> I don't even know what you mean by that.
Yes you never acknowledge any use at all for UCPR 411.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_reg/ucpr1999305/s411.html
UNIFORM CIVIL PROCEDURE RULES 1999 - SECT 411
411 Proceeding to obtain evidence for future right or claim
(3) The proceeding to obtain evidence for a future claim may only be
started by application.
Just make a claim from memory hey?
Alex
As your well-reasoned and rapier-sharp response clearly shows.
Never mind, treat this like one of your "para-tests" - you get
five attempts...
> Like all skeptics you just constantly bullshit.
Ahh, catch-phrase #3.
Alex.
Dingo Bob
Like all psychotics you are constantly deranged and deluded.
Wolfgang Wildeblood
> You've proven incapable of refraining from self-defamation...
Is "self-defamation" possible?
Wolfgang Wildeblood
That's just wrong, Springy.
Alex
Legally? I have no idea. I'm one of the few posters on
aus.tv who's not pretending to be a lawyer... :-)
Alex.
Sylvia Else
> On Apr 16, 1:44 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>> On 16/04/2011 1:08 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> So I can't make a claim based on the evidence contrary to UCPR 411?
>>
>> I don't even know what you mean by that.
>
>
> Yes you never acknowledge any use at all for UCPR 411.
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_reg/ucpr1999305/s411.html
We discussed that, at considerable length, previously. It doesn't apply
to your situation, for the reasons given then.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Where does it apply, if not to acquiring publications for a defamation
claim?
Clocky
Howso? I'm yet to see Herc have a lucid moment.
Kangaroo Court Australia
no cause of action is a lame assed excuse from corrupt judges.
Ignorance is NO excuse is the challenge needed, that should shut them
up.
Whats need is a couple of affidavits to say that other people have
seen and heard the footage.
Sylvia Else
Aunt Betty had a house, a dog and a cat. In her will, she said that you
will take ownership of the house if the dog dies before the cat does,
and that your evil brother will take ownership otherwise.
You believe the dog has already died, which means that you merely have
to wait until the cat dies, but you suspect that your brother intends to
contrive to make it appear that the dog outlived the cat.
You cannot start legal proceedings regarding ownership of the house yet,
because the cat still lives, but you can make an application to
establish evidence that the dog is already dead, which you will then
use, if necessary, when the cat dies.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Assuming your SOM holds I will probably not use UCPR 411.
1 - the right or claim to which can not be brought to trial before the
happening of the event
2 - to obtain evidence that may be material for establishing the right
or claim
your example pertained to 1, not 2 which is obviously the point here.
Sylvia Else
I've commented before on your tendency to use undefined abbreviations,
with the apparent expectation that readers will know what you intended.
>
> 1 - the right or claim to which can not be brought to trial before the
> happening of the event
> 2 - to obtain evidence that may be material for establishing the right
> or claim
>
> your example pertained to 1, not 2 which is obviously the point here.
Why does it not pertain to 2? Evidence that the dog is already dead
would be material for establishing the right to the house when the cat dies.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
That's your 4th consecutive obfuscating argument on this.
Why do you stuff people around like that? for fun or to cover your
earlier mistakes?
Your example is specifically related to 1. The general case 2 are all
implied by any case 1. So what?
Waiting for your further tangential rebuttals that are unrelated to
the aptness of 411 to my case. However mundane your nonarguments go.
Sylvia Else
Graham, (1) thru (4) are not alternatives. Look at what (1) says: "This
rule applies..."
"rule" - not "subrule".
If you don't meet the test in (1), *none* of rule 411 is applicable.
Sylvia.
Dingo Bob
> That's your 4th consecutive obfuscating argument on this.
>
> Why do you stuff people around like that? for fun or to cover your
> earlier mistakes?
Oh the irony.....
Graham Cooper
wrote:
>
> no cause of action is a lame assed excuse from corrupt judges.
> Ignorance is NO excuse is the challenge needed, that should shut them
> up.
Spot on dude! They threw away the attachments of my claim
with the alledged extortion article and the resulting newspaper story,
then cried they couldn't understand BLACK AND WHITE DEFAMATION.
Graham Cooper
(2) The person may start a proceeding by application to obtain
evidence that may be material for establishing the right or claim.
Are you saying that the evidence MUST (not may) be required to make a
claim?
MontyCarlo
*
Wolfgang Wildeblood
It's a false generalization: Herc's behaviour tells us nothing about
the behaviour of "all psychotics". Some psychotic people have long
periods of remission with only occasional deranged episodes.
Sylvia Else
No, and I cannot for the life of me see where you got that idea from.
I'm saying you can't even get to (2) unless you first satisfy (1). You
can't say "Well (1) doesn't apply, so I'll use (2)." It's not expressed
in a way that allows that.
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
There's no evidence that Schrödinger proposed to use his own cat, or
that he even had a cat. Indeed, since it was a thought experiment, the
link between Schrödinger and cats is tenuous.
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
never managed to state the specifics of what it was he was actually
litigating about.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Utter bullshit.
You don't have to spell out in Kindergarten talk what the defamation
claim is based on.
They saw I didn't have a lawyer listed on the claim and played silly
buggers.
Now you're sidetracking the issue that you bullshitted about UCPR 411
being irrelevant to requesting defamation footage for a defamation
claim.
So now you claim your cats and dogs example is valid but a defamation
claim is not?
You're full of it sylvia. A con artist of the highest calibre.
Sylvia Else
Have you forgotten already that the continued possibility of your suing
for defamation depends on your having actually failed to make a
statement of claim?
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
If the SOC was invalid, which it was not, then I can claim again.
If the SOC was valid, then the court was at fault, then I can claim
again.
That's the 6th post running you've ignored my question every post.
Maybe if you make a whole dozen tangential remarks you'll do a full
backpeddle on your ignorant stance that I can't request the defamatory
news footage.
Brad
> > *
>
> There's no evidence that Schr dinger proposed to use his own cat, or
> that he even had a cat. Indeed, since it was a thought experiment, the
>
> Sylvia.
One thing is certain. Schrodingers cat is definitely dead. It could
not have lived for over 70 years in a box so that is one little
quandary solved.
Clocky
"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c9ed16dc-0a69-43da...@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Yep, that's a fair call and I agree 100%.
Dingo Bob
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.....
Sylvia Else
There will have been some uncertainty as to its position. The cat may
have escaped the box by quantum tunneling, and lived a long and happy
life elsewhere. However, given the time elapsed since, I'll concede that
it's almost certainly dead by now, regardless of whether it stayed in
the box.
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
>
> That's the 6th post running you've ignored my question every post.
It's rarely clear what you are asking.
Post your question again. Only your question. Nothing else.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Does 411 apply to aquiring defamatory publications prior to issuing a
claim?
Dingo Bob
> There will have been some uncertainty as to its position. The cat may
> have escaped the box by quantum tunneling, and lived a long and happy
> life elsewhere. However, given the time elapsed since, I'll concede that
> it's almost certainly dead by now, regardless of whether it stayed in
> the box.
>
> Sylvia.
You appear to be very conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that
cats, at least reputedly, have nine lives.....
Sylvia Else
No. At least, not in your case, because you cannot meet the test in
411(1). Thus none of 411 applies to you.
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
I think not. They clearly run in parallel, and a cat needs only one of
them still to exist to function as an alive cat.
Sylvia.
Dingo Bob
> > You appear to be very conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that
> > cats, at least reputedly, have nine lives.....
>
> I think not. They clearly run in parallel, and a cat needs only one of
> them still to exist to function as an alive cat.
>
> Sylvia.
You always insist on dragging sensible argument into it, don't you?
Epsilon
That's putting hope before experience.
Sunny
"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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Sunny
"Dingo Bob" <dingo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sunny
"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
Graham Cooper
AB LAW Caloundra said 411 does apply to my case.
what test does not apply? Neccesity?
----8<------------------------
> (2) The person may start a proceeding by application to obtain
> evidence that **may** be material for establishing the right or claim.
> Are you saying that the evidence MUST (not may) be required to make a
> claim?
[Sylvia] No
-------------------------8<----
Sylvia Else
> On Apr 17, 11:53 am, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>> On 17/04/2011 11:47 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 17, 11:30 am, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 16/04/2011 11:53 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
>>
>>>>> That's the 6th post running you've ignored my question every post.
>>
>>>> It's rarely clear what you are asking.
>>
>>>> Post your question again. Only your question. Nothing else.
>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>
>>> Does 411 apply to aquiring defamatory publications prior to issuing a
>>> claim?
>>
>> No. At least, not in your case, because you cannot meet the test in
>> 411(1). Thus none of 411 applies to you.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> AB LAW Caloundra said 411 does apply to my case.
>
> what test does not apply? Neccesity?
The test that subrule (1) states:
"if a person would, under the circumstances the person alleges to exist,
become entitled to property or office on the happening of a future
event, the right or claim to which can not be brought to trial before
the happening of the event"
To get as far as (2) you have to pass that test. But there is no "future
event" the happening of which causes you to become entitled to property
or office. (1) is therefore an "if" clause that yields the value "false"
in your case.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
You're a f@cking idiot!
I'll stick with real lawyers who actually sent a 411 to Win News.
Sylvia Else
I take it you disagree. Is that any reason to become abusive? You're not
Phil after all.
>
> I'll stick with real lawyers who actually sent a 411 to Win News.
>
Why would they send "it" to Win News? It's clear that any such action
must be started by an application to the court. Send a demand purporting
to be based on rule 411 to an intended defendant, and they'll just bin
it. Which I gather they did.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Huh? The whole point of 411 is to gather evidence to determine if
court action can be made.
If you didn't take 2 days and 20 posts to spell out your objection I
wouldn't be bothered about idiots wasting my time.
Sylvia Else
No it's not. It's about ensuring that evidence relevant to a future case
remains available, where that case cannot be started yet because the
cause of action has yet to come into existence.
If a cause of action already exists, then you just start the case now,
and obtain the relevant evidence by subpoena. Of course, you do have to
say what your cause of action is.
>
> If you didn't take 2 days and 20 posts to spell out your objection I
> wouldn't be bothered about idiots wasting my time.
It looks to me as if I have repeatedly spelled out the same objection,
and you keep ignoring it.
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
Nope! entirely manufactured by your imagination.
>
> If a cause of action already exists, then you just start the case now,
> and obtain the relevant evidence by subpoena. Of course, you do have to
> say what your cause of action is.
>
>
>
> > If you didn't take 2 days and 20 posts to spell out your objection I
> > wouldn't be bothered about idiots wasting my time.
>
> It looks to me as if I have repeatedly spelled out the same objection,
> and you keep ignoring it.
>
> Sylvia.
Nope! You went on post after post after post for days running about
ITS NOT RELEVEVANT
I ALREADY TOLD YOU SO
THATS A SUBRULE
I had to spell everything out explictly in detail before you even
addressed the issue.
Anyway, it's useless reasoning with a conwoman.
Graham Cooper
>
> > > Huh? The whole point of 411 is to gather evidence to determine if
> > > court action can be made.
>
> > No it's not. It's about ensuring that evidence relevant to a future case
> > remains available, where that case cannot be started yet because the
> > cause of action has yet to come into existence.
411 Proceeding to obtain evidence for future right or claim
Nothing to do with NO CURRENT CAUSE OF ACTION in the slightest.
You got pinned down lying as usual and now you're squealing nonsense.
My lawyer clearly explained it as being used for possible court action
dependant on the examination of the evidence, which is clearly
articulated in the rules.
Government Shill #2
You're far to nice to this madman.
Shill #2
--
There are only two kinds of people who are really fascinating: people who know
absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing.
- Oscar Wilde
Graham Cooper
>
> You're far to nice to this madman.
>
> Shill #2
You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
Sylvia Else
Look up "fishing expedition"
Sylvia.
Graham Cooper
I'll pass.
Government Shill #2
Yeah yeah... tremble.
Shill #2
--
The men who really believe in themselves are all in lunatic asylums.
- G. K. Chesterton
Graham Cooper
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
>
> >On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You're far to nice to this madman.
>
> >> Shill #2
>
> >You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
>
> Yeah yeah... tremble.
whatever you ask for, prisoner BUBBA assigned to your cell, faggot
rapist unit.
Genesis Adam
KINGS BEACH
QUEENSLAND
Alex
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
> <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You're far to nice to this madman.
>>>
>>> Shill #2
>>
>>
>>You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
>
>
> Yeah yeah... tremble.
Careful Shill, if you go too far you'll attract the ... personal ...
attention of GENESIS ADAM...
Alex.
--
> You're a fucking c*&t Alex, you're number 1 on my TODO LIST
>
> I'M GOING TO FIND YOU IN PERSON - GUARANTEED
- Graham Cooper AKA GENESIS ADAM in AUS.TV
Graham Cooper
> In aus.tv Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
> > <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> You're far to nice to this madman.
>
> >>> Shill #2
>
> >>You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
>
> > Yeah yeah... tremble.
>
> Careful Shill, if you go too far you'll attract the ... personal ...
> attention of GENESIS ADAM...
>
not up to me. I tried to warn you for years, God says you all have to
go.
Dingo Bob
> God says you all have to
> go.
Strange - I was talking to God just the other day and She made no
mention of it.
Graham Cooper
Dingo Boy, Dingo Boy
A good for nothing Dingo Boy
This ole world don't hold a whole lot of joy
When you're nothing but a Dingo Boy
Government Shill #2
Those words *look* like English, but the syntax...?
Nope. Babbleloonian is my guess.
Shill #2
--
Pfft...English! Who needs that? I'm never going to England.
Homer J. Simpson
Government Shill #2
>In aus.tv Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
>> <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're far to nice to this madman.
>>>>
>>>> Shill #2
>>>
>>>
>>>You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
>>
>>
>> Yeah yeah... tremble.
>
>Careful Shill, if you go too far you'll attract the ... personal ...
>attention of GENESIS ADAM...
>
>Alex.
Will there be... a smiting? I guess that would make me smitten?
I hope it's not locusts. I hate locusts. A flood would be ok. So long as it
stopped at the end of my driveway.
Shill #2
--
Is God really real, or is there some doubt?
Monty Python (1983)
Government Shill #2
Is God really real, or is there some doubt?
Monty Python (1983)
Shill #2
--
Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there
wouldn't be religious people. - Doris Egan
Alex
> On 17 Apr 2011 17:58:52 +1000, Alex <ne...@leng.id.au> wrote:
>
>>In aus.tv Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
>>> <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You're far to nice to this madman.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah yeah... tremble.
>>
>>Careful Shill, if you go too far you'll attract the ... personal ...
>>attention of GENESIS ADAM...
>
>
> I hope it's not locusts. I hate locusts. A flood would be ok. So long as it
> stopped at the end of my driveway.
In last night's ranting, it was flamethrowers for the skeptics. Some sort of
flame-proof underwear might be in order?
Alex.
Government Shill #2
I've got a Nomex suit and gloves somewhere. The trunk in the shed?
Sylvia Else
> On Apr 17, 11:57 am, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> You appear to be very conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that
>>> cats, at least reputedly, have nine lives.....
>>
>> them still to exist to function as an alive cat.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You always insist on dragging sensible argument into it, don't you?
Um, parallel cat lives is a sensible argument?
Sylvia.
Sylvia Else
Well, as you indicate, he has a mental illness, which can't be any fun
to live with 24/7, so I cut him some slack.
Sylvia.
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:45:29 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
> <graham...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 17, 5:42 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
> >>
> >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> You're far to nice to this madman.
> >>
> >> >> Shill #2
> >>
> >> >You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
> >>
> >> Yeah yeah... tremble.
> >
> >
> >whatever you ask for, prisoner BUBBA assigned to your cell, faggot
> >rapist unit.
>
>
> Those words *look* like English, but the syntax...?
>
> Nope. Babbleloonian is my guess.
>
>
> Shill #2
Herc's been off the meds way too long.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
GovShill
> In article <9dmlq6t99ceesj935fnhjesb3vs7l6k...@4ax.com>,
> gov.sh...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:45:29 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
>
> > >On Apr 17, 5:42 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
>
> > >> <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Apr 17, 5:31 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> You're far to nice to this madman.
>
> > >> >> Shill #2
>
> > >> >You'll get 20 years for assualt for this.
>
> > >> Yeah yeah... tremble.
>
> > >whatever you ask for, prisoner BUBBA assigned to your cell, faggot
> > >rapist unit.
>
> > Those words *look* like English, but the syntax...?
>
> > Nope. Babbleloonian is my guess.
>
> > Shill #2
>
> Herc's been off the meds way too long.
I'd be surprised if he has ever (voluntarily) been on meds.
Shill #2
Clocky
Hey dummy, god doesn't get a say in it... we all have to go sometime -
including you.