Goalkicking methods
Steve Turner
Around the corner kicks at goal became popular thanks to John Grey. The
theory was that making contact with the with the side of the foot on the
'fat' surface area of an upright ball provided more control and accuracy,
rather than time honoured Aus method of kicking the point of the ball with
the toe area of the boot. Fair enough. Over the last few years the position
of the ball has graduated from the upright position to the former 45 degree
position, so effectively kickers are making contact with the ball at it's
point again. What's the story boys?
Dion Williams
I think it's a matter of getting the best of both worlds, more control
over direction and more power by hitting a wider surface, and pointing
it to get greater distance. Most kickers would hit the back side of the
ball just under the point to get the best lift. I notice Darren Lockyer
in particular uses a huge amount of sand to get the ball up high.
Dion Williams <di...@hotmail.com>
hunnysolt
Steve Turner wrote:
> Around the corner kicks at goal became popular thanks to John Grey.
> The
> theory was that making contact with the with the side of the foot on
> the
> 'fat' surface area of an upright ball provided more control and
> accuracy,
> rather than time honoured Aus method of kicking the point of the ball
> with
> the toe area of the boot. Fair enough. Over the last few years the
> position
> of the ball has graduated from the upright position to the former 45
> degree
> position, so effectively kickers are making contact with the ball at
> it's
> point again. What's the story boys?
The first (notable) person to kick around the corner with the ball
laid down was Grant Fox (ex-All Blacks). I think the idea was that you
could aim the ball better, and by kicking it on the pointy end you'd
compress the ball more which would give you more distance. I'm pretty
certain that Matthew Ridge was 'taught' by Grant Fox, but don't quote
me. By the way, it wasn't just Aussies who kicked the ball the old way.
Len Killeen (Balmain) placed the ball upright but kicked straight on and
he was South African. I'm pretty certain the Poms mostly kicked that way
as well.
Steve Turner
hunnysolt wrote in message <356A8C0A...@wr.com.au>...
That's a plausible explanation. Do Ridge and Halligan both lay the ball at
45 degrees? Dear old Lenny displaced Golden Boots as the goalkicker when he
joined the Tigs in 66. The poms? I think your right. I remember Neil Fox
missing one from right in front to win a Cup Final in the 60's
:
Matthew O'Neill
Steve Turner wrote:
> That's a plausible explanation. Do Ridge and Halligan both lay the ball at
> 45 degrees? Dear old Lenny displaced Golden Boots as the goalkicker when he
> joined the Tigs in 66. The poms? I think your right. I remember Neil Fox
> missing one from right in front to win a Cup Final in the 60's
I saw that on video on Saturday night. I saw Darren Lockyer the next day at the
after match area and told him about that.
Matthew
http://www.rleague.com
Dayl Brack
hunnysolt wrote:
> The first (notable) person to kick around the corner with the ball
> laid down was Grant Fox (ex-All Blacks).
In Sydney RL, I think Ross Conlon(?) from Balmain was the first.
Ian Wallis
On Tue, 26 May 1998 19:31:54 +1000, hunnysolt <hunn...@wr.com.au>
wrote:
> The first (notable) person to kick around the corner with the ball
>laid down was Grant Fox (ex-All Blacks). I think the idea was that you
>could aim the ball better, and by kicking it on the pointy end you'd
>compress the ball more which would give you more distance. I'm pretty
>certain that Matthew Ridge was 'taught' by Grant Fox, but don't quote
>me. By the way, it wasn't just Aussies who kicked the ball the old way.
>Len Killeen (Balmain) placed the ball upright but kicked straight on and
>he was South African. I'm pretty certain the Poms mostly kicked that way
>as well.
The around the corner style of kicking is quite a bit older than Grant
Fox. My first memory of seeing it in NZ was from Barry John, the 1971
Lion on there tour of NZ. It apparently originated in England and is
based on the side foot kicking style used in soccer.
The traditional kick was the straight threw kick with the ball lieing
at approx 45 degrees, (Don Clarke), the straight up and down style
became popular in New Zraland the mid 60's.
Placeing the ball at 45 degrees increases distance, around the corner
and upright improves accuracy. the latest trend tries to get the best
of both worlds.
Rugby League in the 80's put very little importance on goal kicking
and devalued the value of a kick (ie 2 for penalty, 1 for drop goal,
compared to the 3/3 in union) this was upset by the arrival in Aust of
Ridge and Halligan, and to a lesser extent Crossen (Sth Sydney). (All
influenced by Grant Fox)
Coachs suddenly realised in the increasingly defensive game that goal
kicking could make all the diffence. Australia had no really good
kickings at this time so Ridge and Halligan were a sensation, now
Australia has developed some of the best kickers in the world.
Ian Wallis
Christian Kelly
Steve Turner wrote:
> Around the corner kicks at goal became popular thanks to John Grey. The
> theory was that making contact with the with the side of the foot on the
> 'fat' surface area of an upright ball provided more control and accuracy,
> rather than time honoured Aus method of kicking the point of the ball with
> the toe area of the boot. Fair enough. Over the last few years the position
> of the ball has graduated from the upright position to the former 45 degree
> position, so effectively kickers are making contact with the ball at it's
> point again.
Not only that, but kickers now use the top of the foot rather than the
instep.It is more or less a hybrid of the two old methods. A bit like a golf
swing
actually- coming from one side but (hopefully) all going in the same direction
at the point of impact.
Since the ball has less give nearer its point, you get more distance if you
strike it there.
--
Cheers
Christian Kelly
"Life's just a bunch of stuff that happens."
Homer J. Simpson
Jayn...@my-dejanews.com
Heres a completely new suggestion.
Why dont players get two mounds one to hold up each end of the ball and kick
the underside of the ball with the top of their foot.Please don't interpret
this as a stupid suggestion,I'm serious.Personally I dont understand how
anyone can kick around the corner with the ball laid out flat.I don't know
that you would get a lot of distance using the method I suggested but the
surface area would certainly be there, and I think it would be great to see
a player do it in a game (perhaps an easy one in front to start off with).
Does anyone know if the rules would allow such a kick?You would need a lot
of sand and maybe the rules state you can only use one mound.Just a thought.
Jay
http://nrl98.home.ml.org
In article <356a1...@139.134.5.33>,
"Steve Turner" <hal...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Around the corner kicks at goal became popular thanks to John Grey. The
> theory was that making contact with the with the side of the foot on the
> 'fat' surface area of an upright ball provided more control and accuracy,
> rather than time honoured Aus method of kicking the point of the ball with
> the toe area of the boot. Fair enough. Over the last few years the position
> of the ball has graduated from the upright position to the former 45 degree
> position, so effectively kickers are making contact with the ball at it's
>
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
Juev
Why not just become a soccer player??
Now that's a great idea!!
{ When an Irresistible Force Meets an Unmovable One...
It's State of Origin Time, Baby!! }
-----> The Greatest Sporting Spectacle In The World <-----
Greg Pankhurst
:Heres a completely new suggestion.
:Why dont players get two mounds one to hold up each end of the ball and kick
:the underside of the ball with the top of their foot.Please don't interpret
:this as a stupid suggestion,I'm serious.Personally I dont understand how
:anyone can kick around the corner with the ball laid out flat.I don't know
:that you would get a lot of distance using the method I suggested but the
:surface area would certainly be there, and I think it would be great to see
:a player do it in a game (perhaps an easy one in front to start off with).
:Does anyone know if the rules would allow such a kick?You would need a lot
:of sand and maybe the rules state you can only use one mound.Just a thought.
the problem being the ball flys like a wombat when kicked in that fashion.
Greg
_____________________________________________________________________
Greg Pankhurst e-mail NQ_Co...@hotmail.com
PhD Student Phone + 61 2 9351 3905
Biochemistry Department Fax + 61 2 9351 4726
University of Sydney Australia 2006
_____________________________________________________________________
Go the Cowboys - NRL Champions in 98
_____________________________________________________________________
hunnysolt
Ian Wallis wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 1998 19:31:54 +1000, hunnysolt <hunn...@wr.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > The first (notable) person to kick around the corner with the ball
>
> >laid down was Grant Fox (ex-All Blacks). I think the idea was that
> you
> >could aim the ball better, and by kicking it on the pointy end you'd
> >compress the ball more which would give you more distance. I'm pretty
>
> >certain that Matthew Ridge was 'taught' by Grant Fox, but don't quote
>
> >me. By the way, it wasn't just Aussies who kicked the ball the old
> way.
> >Len Killeen (Balmain) placed the ball upright but kicked straight on
> and
> >he was South African. I'm pretty certain the Poms mostly kicked that
> way
> >as well.
>
> The around the corner style of kicking is quite a bit older than Grant
>
> Fox. My first memory of seeing it in NZ was from Barry John, the 1971
> Lion on there tour of NZ
He placed the ball upright I think. I was talking about laying the ball
down for around the corner.
SYcOSiD
Eion Crosson(Souths)..........49 from 62........79.03%
D.Halligan(Norths).........42 from 60.......78.33%
Andrew Leeds(Penrith)..........32 from 41........78.04%
John Shuster(NewCastle)..........47 from 63........74.60%
Matty Ridge(Manly)..........36 from 49........73.46%
------------------
Terry Matterson(brisbane)..67.18%
Jason Taylor(Wests)..66.66%
David Furner(Canberra)..65.71%
Ryan Girdler(Illawarra)..64.91%
Gavin Hill(Canterbury)..60.46%
Notice a pattern there........the Top 5 are all god damn Rugby
Converts....lol
Richard Edlin
SYcOSiD wrote:
>
> Eion Crosson(Souths)..........49 from 62........79.03%
> D.Halligan(Norths).........42 from 60.......78.33%
> Andrew Leeds(Penrith)..........32 from 41........78.04%
> John Shuster(NewCastle)..........47 from 63........74.60%
> Matty Ridge(Manly)..........36 from 49........73.46%
> ------------------
> Terry Matterson(brisbane)..67.18%
> Jason Taylor(Wests)..66.66%
> David Furner(Canberra)..65.71%
> Ryan Girdler(Illawarra)..64.91%
> Gavin Hill(Canterbury)..60.46%
>
> Notice a pattern there........the Top 5 are all god damn Rugby
> Converts....lol
Um, Gavin Hill and Jason Taylor were once RU too weren't they? And how
could you call Eion Crosson a good convert? - he could kick but I never
saw him do <anything> else. (Halligan may not be too fast over short
distances but give him an opportunity & he won't disappoint)
Richard
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Edlin r.e...@econ.canterbury.ac.nz
SYcOSiD
yea Gavin Hill too was a convert......dunno about taylor
Um....i dont think i said Crosson was a good Convert
Halligan is pretty solid on the wing