What happened to the old sportsedans/GTs?
Conrad Drake
fast GTs.
But what became of the cars? Where is Brock's Monze and Grice's
Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
Old Tourers, old openwheelers and old sports cars seem to be cherished.
(And a radiator cap seems sufficient basis for a ground up restoration
of a complete car!)
Anyone know?
CD
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Brett Ramsey
<con...@directwest.iinet.net.au> wrote:
> A while ago this group discussed the early sportsedans and blindingly
> fast GTs.
>
> But what became of the cars? Where is Brock's Monze and Grice's
> Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
Brock's Monza (actually it was Bob Janes) was sold to Bryan Thomson and
reskinned as a Toyota Supra which is still a top car for Des Wall.
As for the corvair I don't know but remember that a Lola F5000 died to
build that car and perhaps it was broken up for parts.
> Old Tourers, old openwheelers and old sports cars seem to be cherished.
> (And a radiator cap seems sufficient basis for a ground up restoration
> of a complete car!)
The historic movement is looking at a class for old Sports sedans in fact
Bryan Thomson has bought back his old VW Chev which is just waiting for
somewhere to run. trouble is so many of the current top cars would are
historics anyway. Montoroso, Trenoweth, Riccadelo's and Walls cars are all
over 10 years old.
Thank god for the "new" Calibras.
--
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Conrad Drake
Brett Ramsey wrote:
> The historic movement is looking at a class for old Sports sedans in fact
> Bryan Thomson has bought back his old VW Chev which is just waiting for
> somewhere to run. trouble is so many of the current top cars would are
> historics anyway. Montoroso, Trenoweth, Riccadelo's and Walls cars are all
> over 10 years old.
> Thank god for the "new" Calibras.
Thanks for the info Brett. As an aside, the shell of the 2E car I
crewed fro in the early 90s was at the 69 bathurst! Another
neo-historic
Conrad Drake
Brett Ramsey wrote:
> > Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
> Brock's Monza (actually it was Bob Janes) was sold to Bryan Thomson and
> reskinned as a Toyota Supra which is still a top car for Des Wall.
> As for the corvair I don't know but remember that a Lola F5000 died to
> build that car and perhaps it was broken up for parts.
So somewhere someone has a Lola 5000 chassis & body minus uprights,
engine and box?
CD
David
Dave
WA
>But what became of the cars? Where is Brock's Monze and Grice's
>Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
>
>Old Tourers, old openwheelers and old sports cars seem to be cherished.
>(And a radiator cap seems sufficient basis for a ground up restoration
>of a complete car!)
>
>Anyone know?
Peter
Brett Ramsey <bra...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
news:bramsey-1908...@203.32.93.9...
> Thank god for the "new" Calibras.
One of those Calibras is an old Cortina with a Calibra shell! Not Graham
Smith's or Mark Stinson's cars.
Peter
Kieron Murphy
Ramsey) wrote:
>In article <37BBF751...@directwest.iinet.net.au>, Conrad Drake
><con...@directwest.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> A while ago this group discussed the early sportsedans and blindingly
>> fast GTs.
>>
>> But what became of the cars? Where is Brock's Monze and Grice's
>> Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
>Brock's Monza (actually it was Bob Janes) was sold to Bryan Thomson and
>reskinned as a Toyota Supra which is still a top car for Des Wall.
>As for the corvair I don't know but remember that a Lola F5000 died to
>build that car and perhaps it was broken up for parts.
Jim Richards Big M Falcon Cobra from this era was purchased and run by
Greg Hubbard from Tasmania many years ago from memory. Anyone know
where his Sidchrome Mustang is now??
>> Old Tourers, old openwheelers and old sports cars seem to be cherished.
>> (And a radiator cap seems sufficient basis for a ground up restoration
>> of a complete car!)
The 1977 Bathurst winning XC Falcon is at the Ford Museum in Geelong,
That guy in Brisbane (forget his name offhand) has Moffats Mustang and
a fair few other well know Fords - Moffats Phase 3, Longhursts Sierra.
Isn't Brocks A9X Torana at the Bathurst Museum?? what else is there??
Dick Johnson has a few of his cars, The Bathurst winning XD, and I
think one of the Greens Tuf XE's and his Bathurst winning Sierra.
One of the 2 Greens Tuf Mustangs is here in WA somewhere - used to be
tucked away in a petrol station on Wanneroo road!! and Brocks Mobil
Sierra is here too.
Kieron
Brett Ramsey
(Kieron Murphy) wrote:
>
> Jim Richards Big M Falcon Cobra from this era was purchased and run by
> Greg Hubbard from Tasmania many years ago from memory. Anyone know
> where his Sidchrome Mustang is now??
Actually it was Tony Hubbard from Victoria who had Jims old Falcon, he now
has a Calibra but I don't know if any parts from the Falcon have gone into
that.
As for Jim's Mustang I'll try to remember to ask him when he's on In Pit
Lane on Tuesday night.
--
Brett Ramsey
Grassy Noel
Kieron Murphy <kie...@reiwa.com.au> wrote in message
news:37bcdd47...@news.per.aone.net.au...
>
> One of the 2 Greens Tuf Mustangs is here in WA somewhere - used to be
> tucked away in a petrol station on Wanneroo road!! and Brocks Mobil
> Sierra is here too.
Yeah, I'm sure I've seen both of those cars at Wanneroo in the past year or
so.
Neil
Conrad Drake
thanks for responding.
What's the history of the car? Have you got any plans for it?
Yours,
Conrad Drake
David wrote:
>
> I've got a old Group "B" XA GT Falcon Hardtop in my shed.
> Dave
> WA
>
Conrad Drake
thanks for responding.
What's the history/condition of the car? Have you got any plans for
Fast Phil
owned car that Allan Grice drove for a couple of seasons] is the one that is
presently under Des Walls Supra.
I will conform that with him when I see him at Wanaroo in 4 weeks time.
Mark Trenowith has restored the old Jaguar and it is now only requiring a
repaint in the Unipart colours to make it complete.
There must be an awful lot of cars sitting in garages. I know Graham Whincup
still has his Monza in pristine condition.
See what else you can dig up.
Phil
Mark Alan Jones
having been built around 94-95 when Brian Smith was still driving it. I
vaguely recall somthing about the two cars running together at some
point - please correct me if I'm wrong anybody.
The various Honda Preludes are new-ish - as is Bob Jolly's most recent
Commodore (unsure of owner).
Thompson's old Mercedes sports sedan of yore has had some recent runs 1
or 2 years ago) - how old is that car?
Jeff Barnes Pontiac is very new - replacing his very old Chevvy Monza.
There is a current shape Mazda RX7 running around - must be new.
What happenned to the Keith Carling 300ZX/Skyline Group A/Renault turbo
hybrid?
What happenned to Mike Ceveri's Sierra-Chev?
What happenned to John Pollard's Porsche 935 - which became a Sports
Sedan during the Thundersports split?
yours
Mark Jones
Brett Ramsey wrote:
>
> In article <37BBF751...@directwest.iinet.net.au>, Conrad Drake
> <con...@directwest.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > A while ago this group discussed the early sportsedans and blindingly
> > fast GTs.
> >
> > But what became of the cars? Where is Brock's Monze and Grice's
> > Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
> Brock's Monza (actually it was Bob Janes) was sold to Bryan Thomson and
> reskinned as a Toyota Supra which is still a top car for Des Wall.
> As for the corvair I don't know but remember that a Lola F5000 died to
> build that car and perhaps it was broken up for parts.
> > Old Tourers, old openwheelers and old sports cars seem to be cherished.
> > (And a radiator cap seems sufficient basis for a ground up restoration
> > of a complete car!)
> The historic movement is looking at a class for old Sports sedans in fact
> Bryan Thomson has bought back his old VW Chev which is just waiting for
> somewhere to run. trouble is so many of the current top cars would are
> historics anyway. Montoroso, Trenoweth, Riccadelo's and Walls cars are all
> over 10 years old.
> Thank god for the "new" Calibras.
>
> --
> Brett Ramsey
Mark Alan Jones
contained
1988 Tony Longhurst/Tomas Mezera Ford Sierra RS500 (1st)
1987 BMW M3 shell - was Mercedes Stermitz/Annette Meuvissen car
1986 Allan Grice/Graeme Bailey Holden Commodore VK (1st)
1985 Roberto Ravaglia/Johnny Cecotto BMW 635CSi (2nd)
1984 George Fury/Gary Scott Nissan Bluebird (Pole Position & 16th - long
time lap record holder)
1984 John Harvey/David Parsons Holden Commodore VK (2nd - repainted as
the Brock/Perkins race winner - not 100% sure though but I had believed
the race winner had been sold to Tony Farrell the on to John Cleland
where he ran it as a Vauxhall Senator in UK Sports Sedans)
1984 Barry Seton/Glenn Seton Ford Capri V6 (multiple class winner)
1983 Kevin Bartlett/Colin Bond Chevrolet Camaro (twice pole position
winner)
1984 Dick Johnson/John French Ford Falcon XE replica
1981 Dick Johnson/John French Ford Falcon XD (1st)
1979 Charlie O'Brien/Garth Wigston Holden Torana LX A9X
1978 John Harvey Holden Torana LX A9X (in ATCC colours not Bathurst)
1977 Allan Moffat/Jacky Ickx Ford Falcon XC replica (1st)
1976 Bob Morris/John Fitzpatrick Holden Torana LH L34 (1st)
1965 Barry Seton/Midge Bosworth Ford Cortina GT500 (1st)
took photos of all :)
what's in the museum varies a lot - while the museum owns a few cars,
most are lowned and the collection swells just before the enduro season
commences. I year's past I've seen a Bob Morris Toyota Corolla (late
60's) and XU1, Brock's 1979 A9X, a replica Bruce McPhee 1968 HK Monaro
yours
Mark Jones
Kieron Murphy wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:54:51 GMT, bra...@net2000.com.au (Brett
> Ramsey) wrote:
>
> >In article <37BBF751...@directwest.iinet.net.au>, Conrad Drake
> ><con...@directwest.iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> A while ago this group discussed the early sportsedans and blindingly
> >> fast GTs.
> >>
> >> But what became of the cars? Where is Brock's Monze and Grice's
> >> Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
> >Brock's Monza (actually it was Bob Janes) was sold to Bryan Thomson and
> >reskinned as a Toyota Supra which is still a top car for Des Wall.
> >As for the corvair I don't know but remember that a Lola F5000 died to
> >build that car and perhaps it was broken up for parts.
>
> Jim Richards Big M Falcon Cobra from this era was purchased and run by
> Greg Hubbard from Tasmania many years ago from memory. Anyone know
> where his Sidchrome Mustang is now??
>
> >> Old Tourers, old openwheelers and old sports cars seem to be cherished.
> >> (And a radiator cap seems sufficient basis for a ground up restoration
> >> of a complete car!)
>
> The 1977 Bathurst winning XC Falcon is at the Ford Museum in Geelong,
> That guy in Brisbane (forget his name offhand) has Moffats Mustang and
> a fair few other well know Fords - Moffats Phase 3, Longhursts Sierra.
>
> Isn't Brocks A9X Torana at the Bathurst Museum?? what else is there??
> Dick Johnson has a few of his cars, The Bathurst winning XD, and I
> think one of the Greens Tuf XE's and his Bathurst winning Sierra.
>
> One of the 2 Greens Tuf Mustangs is here in WA somewhere - used to be
> tucked away in a petrol station on Wanneroo road!! and Brocks Mobil
> Sierra is here too.
>
> Kieron
Conrad Drake
Mark Alan Jones wrote:
>
> As I recall the Riccardello's own two Alfetta-Chevs with a new one
> having been built around 94-95 when Brian Smith was still driving it. I
> vaguely recall somthing about the two cars running together at some
> point - please correct me if I'm wrong anybody.
Certainly were/are two cars. One is spaceframe, one monocoque.
Not sure what happened to the spaceframe car - I think Brian McCarthy
bought it.
One should also note that the body work on the old car went through
several iterations as the S/Sedan rules changed.
Conrad Drake
Mark Alan Jones
previous winners of the Bathurst 1000 with the following results,
research done in 1993/1994
1960 Roxburgh/Coad Vauxhall Cresta - car was scrapped as at 1994 Coad
has located the remains as was intending to resuurect
1961 Jane/Firth Mercedes 220SE - unknown
1962 Jane/Firth Ford Falcon XL - unknown
1963 Jane/Firth Ford Cortina GT - unknown
1964 Jane/Reynolds Ford Cortina GT - owned by Barry Ferguson after
spending time as development mule for the GT500 - intended to be
restored
1965 Seton/Bosworth owned by Sydney's Brian Gelding after a few years as
a rally car, intended to restore (which did happen and since then was
offerred as an 'incentive prize' for Glenn Seton at Bathurst one year) -
has spent time at the Bathurst museum
1966 Aaltonen/Holden Morris Cooper S - unknown
1967 Firth/Gibson Ford Falcon XR GT - believed to be the car owned by a
Gladstone resident but there is a 20+ year gap in it's ownership history
- has spent time at the Bathurst museum
1968 McPhee/Mulholland Holden Monaro HK GTS327 - unknown
1969 Bond/Roberts Holden Monaro HT GTS350 - unknown, possibly scrapped
1970 Moffat Ford Falcon XW GTHO Phase II - unknown, may have been
pilaged out of existance for later years cars
1971 Moffat Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III - unknown, may be car owned by
Bill Raper in Qld but history since 1973 is uncertain due to Ford's
racing practices with their works cars
1972 Brock Holden Torana LJ XU1 - after a shunt in the hands of Bruce
Nixon-Smith the mechanicals went into one car, Richard Anderson (who
wrote it off) and the shell went to - wait for it - Dick Johnson had had
a lot of success in the car for the next 3-4 seasons. (That car has been
seen a few times since then in restored condition and disaplayed.
Johnson has tried to buy it for his own collection.)
1973 Moffat Ford Falcon XA GT - shell written off by Moffat at Phillip
Island a few months later - shell was given to Murray Carter but he took
it to the tip as uselees or the car continued to be raced by Moffat in
XB trim up to 1976 when destroyed by fire in his transporter.
1974 Goss/Bartlett Ford Falcon XA GT - unknown - sold to Garry
Willmington then to Russell Kramer, converted to XC Cobra spec and sold
as a road car to unremembered buyer
1975 Brock/Sampson Holden Torana LH L34 - unknown - probably written off
car was sold to car was sold to Chris Stanley who after a couple of
season sold it as a road car when it was painted black and believed
crashed
1976 Morris/Fitzpatrick Holden Torana LH L34 - stopped racing in 1989,
was restored and placed in the museum by current owner Brian Barby
1977 Moffat/Ickx Ford Falcon XC - used by Moffat until 1979, the shell
now sits in the museum
1978 Brock/Richards Holden Torana LX A9X - unknown
1979 Brock/Richards Holden Torana LX A9X - Brock owned it until 1993
then sold, still in original condition
1980 Brock/Richards Holden Commodore VC - unknown - one of three
possible cars - either car written off by Garry Rogers at Bathurst
1981, or unknown missing - trial went cold after Ray Ellis sold it as a
sports sedan, or ownde by Matt Smith in Melbourne
1981 Johnson/French Ford Falcon XD - sold to Alf Grant who sold it back
to Johnson in 1991 who later restored it, has spent time in the museum
1982 Brock/Perkins Holden Commodore VH - was raced in 1983 by
Brock/Harvey/perkins where it won again
1983 Brock/Harvey/Perkins Holden Commodore VH - Wayne Clift owned this
car in 1993 after Andrew Harris had acquired it from HDT
1984 Brock/Perkins Holden Commodore VK - is either the car in the
Bathurst museum or an ex-Cleland Thundersaloon in the UK - one won the
race, the other finished second
1985 Goss/Hahne Jaguar XJS - owned by Allen Lloyd in england
1986 Grice/Bailey Holden Commodore VK - owned by Bailey in the museum
1987 Brock/Parsons/McLeod Holden Commodore VL - owned by a group of
victorian HDT owners and has been restored after being raced by Chris
Lambden as the Beurepais car
1988 Longhurst/Mezera Ford Sierra RS500 - owned by the Bathurst museum
after being a Caltex Colin Bond car for several seasons
1989 Johnson/Bowe Ford Sierra RS500 - still owned by Dick Johnson
1990 Percy/Grice Holden Commodore TWR VL - owned by Tom Walkisnhaw in
England
1991 Richards/Skaife Nissan GT-R - sold to Thailand
1992 Richards/Skaife Nissan GT-R - still owned by Gibson Motor Sport
1993 Perkins/Hansford Holden Commodore VP - sold to John Trimbole then
to James Rosenberg and then sold again at the start of this year to -
would you bleive I've forgotten????
1994 Johnson/Bowe Ford Falcon EB - still owned by Johnson
1995 Perkins/Ingall Holden Commodore VR - not known by me I'm afriad
1996 Lowndes/Murphy Holden Commodore VR - shunted and repaired several
times, one of two VS cars sold to Tony Noske, and apprently now back
with HRT as Lowndes VT replacement
1997 Brabham/Brabham BMW 320i - the car now being raced by Paul Morris
in the ASTC
1997 Perkins/Ingall Holden Commodore VS - not known me at the moment
1998 Rydell/Richards Volvo S40 - the car currently being raced by Jim
Richards in the ASTC
1998 Bright/Richards Ford Falcon EL - sold to Greg Crick, then to Craig
Harris.
Peter
> Actually it was Tony Hubbard from Victoria who had Jims old Falcon, he now
> has a Calibra but I don't know if any parts from the Falcon have gone into
> that.
> As for Jim's Mustang I'll try to remember to ask him when he's on In Pit
> Lane on Tuesday night.
Its Tony Hubbard driving the Calibra which is based on an old Capri chassis.
It was originally in the hands of Norm Pirozzi in Queensland. It was one of
the three built by Rinberg Engineering here in Sydney and dispolayed at the
Motor Show in Darling Harbour a couple of years ago (with the Momo livery).
Ron O'Brien has both of Colin Bond's Caltex Sierras. One is now running in
the O'Brien green and gold in the National Sports Sedan Series with a Chev
engine, the other is still in original livery under wraps.
Peter
Peter
> > tucked away in a petrol station on Wanneroo road!! and Brocks Mobil
> > Sierra is here too.
>
or
> so.
One of Brock's Mobil 05 Sierras was once owned by Neville Davis, a Central
Coast clothing store proprietor here in NSW. It had a run here last year in
Sports Sedans when it was owned by the GM of OAMPS, Robert Porter who also
ran it at the AROCA 6Hour last year (I think). Not sure if this is the same
car but the one above was genuine and carried original signage.
Also I know Herbert Gattermeier of Bavariacars here in Sydney has one of the
Richards' space frame BMW Sports Sedans. It is being restored by Herbert and
his son at their workshop in Gladesville. I have seen the frame and whilst
it was in a bad way it was coming along. Apparently Herbet got it after it
was sitting in a barn somewhere for many years (hence the condition) and the
owner wanted to get rid of it. Most of the mechanicals were still there but
the body was *RS*.
Victorian Bill Emeny's original Mazda R100 is now running in Sports Sedans
here in NSW, owned by Warren Aubin, and raced by Steve Shiels, a Bathurst
Driver Training instructor.
Kieron Murphy
Ramsey) wrote:
>In article <37bcdd47...@news.per.aone.net.au>, kie...@reiwa.com.au
>(Kieron Murphy) wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Jim Richards Big M Falcon Cobra from this era was purchased and run by
>> Greg Hubbard from Tasmania many years ago from memory. Anyone know
>> where his Sidchrome Mustang is now??
>
>Actually it was Tony Hubbard from Victoria who had Jims old Falcon, he now
>has a Calibra but I don't know if any parts from the Falcon have gone into
Woops, yes my mistake, it was a long time ago, very early 80's I
think, I also seem to remember Hubbard running it with a Chev
engine???
Kieron
Kieron Murphy
>I've got a old Group "B" XA GT Falcon Hardtop in my shed.
>Dave
>WA
This isn't the old Palazzo Falcon Sports Sedan is it, the last time I
saw it was painted red (mid 80's).
Phil L
Brett Ramsey wrote:
> . trouble is so many of the current top cars would are
> historics anyway. Montoroso, Trenoweth, Riccadelo's and Walls cars are all
> over 10 years old.
>
ummm.... i think the 10 year old Ricciardello car you are referring to is
actually the previous incarnation.... now owned by Joe Riccardo (who also owns
Alfie Costanzo's old Lola) the current Ricciardello car is (i think) under 5
years...
Phil
> Thank god for the "new" Calibras.
>
> --
> Brett Ramsey
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Kieron Murphy
wrote:
>As I recall the Riccardello's own two Alfetta-Chevs with a new one
>having been built around 94-95 when Brian Smith was still driving it. I
>vaguely recall somthing about the two cars running together at some
>point - please correct me if I'm wrong anybody.
He has definately had 2, I wouldn't be surprised if he has built more
than that though, he's been running them since the early 80's.
Kieron
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Conrad Drake <con...@directwest.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> Brett Ramsey wrote:
> > > Corvair? Where are the all the other old S/S's and GTs?
> > Brock's Monza (actually it was Bob Janes) was sold to Bryan Thomson and
> > reskinned as a Toyota Supra which is still a top car for Des Wall.
> > As for the corvair I don't know but remember that a Lola F5000 died to
> > build that car and perhaps it was broken up for parts.
>
Dangerous
Mark Alan Jones wrote in message <37C01123...@ecn.net.au>...
>A few years ago Motor Racing Australia attempted to track down all the
>previous winners of the Bathurst 1000 with the following results,
>research done in 1993/1994
snip
>1972 Brock Holden Torana LJ XU1 - after a shunt in the hands of Bruce
>Nixon-Smith the mechanicals went into one car, Richard Anderson (who
>wrote it off) and the shell went to - wait for it - Dick Johnson had had
>a lot of success in the car for the next 3-4 seasons. (That car has been
>seen a few times since then in restored condition and disaplayed.
>Johnson has tried to buy it for his own collection.)
I was at Bathurst in 97. there was a very convincing Brock '72 Bathurst
car/replica in original colours at the Bathurst Museum for the weekend.
>1975 Brock/Sampson Holden Torana LH L34 - unknown - probably >written off.
car was sold to car was sold to Chris Stanley who after a >couple of season
sold it as a road car when it was painted black and >believed crashed
Very convincing replica in Adelaide, I think I remember reading about the
original being for sale in Tasmania in the late 70s.
>1978 Brock/Richards Holden Torana LX A9X - unknown
This one starts HEAPS of arguments. The Brock 78 Bathurst car became the
Harvey/Harrop car in 1979. Ron stuck it over a concrete barrier at bathurst,
and busted it severely. It is said that it was rebuilt, but shit it was a
mess - diff torn out, front end skewed sideways, ect. There is a small bit
of footage of it on the Holden 30 years in racing video - see what you
reckon.
>1979 Brock/Richards Holden Torana LX A9X - Brock owned it until 1993
>then sold, still in original condition
Currently owned by Dave Bowden in Qld. Not in Bathurst 1979 trim though. It
was used by Jim Richards in NZ (?) after Bathurst '79, now has different
rims, engine, some signage - needs a tidy up - don't shoot me if you reckon
I'm wrong.
>1984 Brock/Perkins Holden Commodore VK - is either the car in the
>Bathurst museum or an ex-Cleland Thundersaloon in the UK - one won the
race, the other finished second
Took 'em a while to come back with a one two at Bathurst. I reckon the one
in the Museum is Harvey's car, repainted as '05'. I have heard the the
original '05' went to the UK.
>1987 Brock/Parsons/McLeod Holden Commodore VL - owned by a group of
victorian HDT owners and has been restored after being raced by Chris
Lambden as the Beurepais car
Looking very tidy too. I saw it at Phillip Island earlier this year.
>
>yours
>Mark Jones
>
That's about where my interest fades somewhat. ;-)
Dangerous
Kieron Murphy
>
>
>Brett Ramsey wrote:
>
>> . trouble is so many of the current top cars would are
>> historics anyway. Montoroso, Trenoweth, Riccadelo's and Walls cars are all
>> over 10 years old.
>>
>
>ummm.... i think the 10 year old Ricciardello car you are referring to is
>actually the previous incarnation.... now owned by Joe Riccardo (who also owns
>Alfie Costanzo's old Lola) the current Ricciardello car is (i think) under 5
>years...
>
If memory serves, didn't Tony Edmonson race a V8 GTV S/S in the late
70's, at one point painted silver and sponsored by Wrigleys chewing
Gum???
Kieron
Mark Alan Jones
lives in the Bathurst Museum having been restored to the paint it wore
as the 1988 Bathurst winner. I take it Peter you're not counting this
car?
yours
Mark Jones
Peter wrote:
>
> Brett Ramsey <bra...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bramsey-2008...@203.32.93.9...
>
> > Actually it was Tony Hubbard from Victoria who had Jims old Falcon, he now
> > has a Calibra but I don't know if any parts from the Falcon have gone into
Mark Alan Jones
> >previous winners of the Bathurst 1000 with the following results,
> >research done in 1993/1994
>
>
> >1972 Brock Holden Torana LJ XU1 - after a shunt in the hands of Bruce
> >Nixon-Smith the mechanicals went into one car, Richard Anderson (who
> >wrote it off) and the shell went to - wait for it - Dick Johnson had had
> >a lot of success in the car for the next 3-4 seasons. (That car has been
> >seen a few times since then in restored condition and disaplayed.
> >Johnson has tried to buy it for his own collection.)
>
> car/replica in original colours at the Bathurst Museum for the weekend.
So was I - that was the ex-Nixon-Smith, ex-Johnson car
> >1975 Brock/Sampson Holden Torana LH L34 - unknown - probably >written off.
> car was sold to car was sold to Chris Stanley who after a >couple of season
> sold it as a road car when it was painted black and >believed crashed
>
> Very convincing replica in Adelaide, I think I remember reading about the
> original being for sale in Tasmania in the late 70s.
>
> >1978 Brock/Richards Holden Torana LX A9X - unknown
>
> This one starts HEAPS of arguments. The Brock 78 Bathurst car became the
> Harvey/Harrop car in 1979. Ron stuck it over a concrete barrier at bathurst,
> and busted it severely. It is said that it was rebuilt, but shit it was a
> mess - diff torn out, front end skewed sideways, ect. There is a small bit
> of footage of it on the Holden 30 years in racing video - see what you
> reckon.
>
> >1979 Brock/Richards Holden Torana LX A9X - Brock owned it until 1993
> >then sold, still in original condition
>
> Currently owned by Dave Bowden in Qld. Not in Bathurst 1979 trim though. It
> was used by Jim Richards in NZ (?) after Bathurst '79, now has different
> rims, engine, some signage - needs a tidy up - don't shoot me if you reckon
> I'm wrong.
On the weekend I saw Dave Bowden's latest acquisition at the Leyburn
Historic sprints - a gen-you-wine Ford GT40!!! All $800,000 plus worth
of motor car. Brilliant! Still in original Gulf colours, with German
markings, only been in the country around two weeks apparently.
Was driven by Kevin Bartlett. That's a car that could get anyone out of
retirement - man that thing is sex on wheels!
> >1984 Brock/Perkins Holden Commodore VK - is either the car in the
> >Bathurst museum or an ex-Cleland Thundersaloon in the UK - one won the
> race, the other finished second
>
> Took 'em a while to come back with a one two at Bathurst. I reckon the one
> in the Museum is Harvey's car, repainted as '05'. I have heard the the
> original '05' went to the UK.
>
> >1987 Brock/Parsons/McLeod Holden Commodore VL - owned by a group of
> victorian HDT owners and has been restored after being raced by Chris
> Lambden as the Beurepais car
>
> Looking very tidy too. I saw it at Phillip Island earlier this year.
>
> >
> >yours
> >Mark Jones
> >
>
> That's about where my interest fades somewhat. ;-)
>
> Dangerous
seems such a shame that only 24 of Bathurst's 40 winning cars from it's
39 year history are anywhere to be seen in this country to be worshipped
and grovelled at while young virgins are sacrificed on their
bonnets.....
yours
Mark Jones
Peter
The one he doesn't race is still as it was when he bought it from Colin
Bond, complete and under wraps, in full Caltex trim.
Cheers,
Peter
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Peter
only did 5-6 laps at Bathurst before it suffered a failure of some sort. It
never went back out.
The one he drives is the car driven by Bosnjak that slammed into a Commodore
and ruptured its fuel bladder in 1992. It may even have been an OXO Sierra
originally, the first built by/for Colin Bond.
The one in the Museum has unkonwn origins as far as Ron is concerned.
Peter
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David
Its now road registered and sporting one of Tim's old commodore motors
(about 550 hp by the dyno sheets).
He's got all the photos of the resto job and all the old Aluminium panels
hanging on the wall of his shed.
Dave.
David
It is still the same colour as then in Yellow, Red and Burgundy.
Dave
Mark Alan Jones
The museum car was ex-Wolf, then ex-Longhurst, then ex-Mathews Caltex
and later sold to the museum and restored by Longhurst to B&H colours.