Fevola's statement
Woofdog
indeed, ARE, responsible for their actions. Well, seems at least one player
doesn't agree. Yep, good old Fev himslef. Part of his statement read that he
was 'largely' responsible for his action. So, one could assume that he
believes that some other body is responsible for the not large bit.
His statement should have read, 'Entirely responsible', in which case one
could at least have some respect for his statement. Though I'm certain he
didn't frame it, and I wonder if indeed, he is capeable of framing any
logical statement or comment.
Yep, I know. Some will say that it is the TV channel's fault for handing him
the mike. Sorry, but no excuse. Though one does wonder what the hell the tv
people were thinking; probably, that he'll make an idiot of himself which is
good exposure for such channel as it was widely shown and widely talked
about. And as for the bar staff, well, if they hadn't served he wouldn't
have got drunk.....maybe true, and maybe they should get 'a serve' for their
actions. But it is still no excuse. Indeed, the whole 'Responsible serving
of alcohol' bit seems to take the responsibility away from the drunken moron
and direct it soley at the bar-person, whom, it seems, must magically know
just when to stop serving someone and knowing that though a person is
apparantly sober, the next drink together with his current intake, will
send him over the top.
Eddie
CDK
One person is responsible for Fev's actions, abd that is Brendan Fevola.
That he is unwilling or incapable to see that means only a stupid club
would take him on.
I certainbly hope Essendon are too smart to even contemplate the brat.
CDK
TRG
Indeed, the whole 'Responsible serving
> of alcohol' bit seems to take the responsibility away from the drunken
> moron and direct it soley at the bar-person, whom, it seems, must
> magically know just when to stop serving someone and knowing that though a
> person is apparantly sober, the next drink together with his current
> intake, will send him over the top.
>
> Eddie
>
>
Have you ever seen a drunk person make a rational decision?
The bar staff are trained to stop serving drunks.It's illegal after all.
But there is a fine line.
Fevola is 100% responsible for himself.
>
gF
"TRG" <goo...@it.com> wrote in message news:NuudnW-r_7q2Q17X...@westnet.com.au...
A drunk person ISN'T "responsible " for their actions
this is why there is an RSA protocol
at the point that a persons alcohol consumption makes them
incapable of rational decision making it is the responsibility
of the server to withdraw service from the customer
they are also 100% culpable for him remaining on the premises
because it is also illegal for a drunk person to remain on licenced premises
and they chucked him way after this was evident.
gF
PS: I own three liquor outlets and the legislation is clear
It is entirely Crowns Fault that Fev became SO inebriated
The RSA is actually there as a defacto line in the sand
It used to be that a liquor supplier could be sued for
any damages to a drunk patron but nowadays as long
as they follow the protocols correctly then they will
not have a successfull judgement against them
CDK
Whilst I accept there is some culpability on Crown's part for continuing
to serve alcohol. Fev is responsible for getting drunk, after that it
was just a degree of how pissed he was. It isn't as if Fev was unaware
that alcohol turns him in to an uninhibited moron instead of just a moron.
CDK
Mister Biggus
media, cause I have not heard one place asking the question on RSA!!!
David Clayton
> gF wrote:
.......
>> PS: I own three liquor outlets and the legislation is clear It is
>> entirely Crowns Fault that Fev became SO inebriated The RSA is actually
>> there as a defacto line in the sand It used to be that a liquor supplier
>> could be sued for any damages to a drunk patron but nowadays as long as
>> they follow the protocols correctly then they will not have a
>> successful judgement against them
>
One wonders how that applies to continually serving up full bottles to a
table rather than an individual - perhaps the others at his table are now
responsible?
If serving up bottles to tables isn't really RSA, then perhaps it needs to
change to filling an individual's glass and then saying NO when they have
been judged to have had enough?
> Whilst I accept there is some culpability on Crown's part for continuing
> to serve alcohol. Fev is responsible for getting drunk, after that it was
> just a degree of how pissed he was. It isn't as if Fev was unaware that
> alcohol turns him in to an uninhibited moron instead of just a moron.
>
Just goes to show how weak the peer pressure from a group supposedly as
tight as an AFL Leadership Group are - the other Carlton players at the
table also obviously didn't take the consequences to their club into
consideration by taking few (if any) actions to avoid the end results.
As I heard a MD say on the weekend, alcohol is a neuro-toxin and an
obviously effective (and addictive) one.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
gF
"Mister Biggus" <_b0...@gmale.kom> wrote in message news:t1v7c5td0u7rmkkti...@4ax.com...
> They have obviously paid the press not to print this bit, and the
> media, cause I have not heard one place asking the question on RSA!!!
>
>>It is entirely Crowns Fault that Fev became SO inebriated
in fact they are being investigated
and because Crown do not use a Nominee
each director is liable for a fine of up to $11K
gF
however when was the last time a State Government
Cash Cow was admonished by a State Govt Instrumentality?
Woofdog
"gF" <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote in message
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I acknowledge your point. But, it is still taking responsibility away from
the individual. Fevola knows, through impirical testing, that he can't
handle alcohol. But at what point does one stop serving? Alcohol takes time
to act, and has a cumulative effect; you can serve when they seem just ok,
but the extra may send them over the top. And, as others (CDK?) have
written, what of bottles etc being served to a table? And, what of sober
individuals buying jugs from which drunks partake? I acknowledge that once
it was clear he was pissed, he should have been stopped from drinking, but
not only by the licensee but his bloody moronic peers. Seems no one had the
guts. Would have made good tv viewing wouldn't it, Blues players fighting
with a drunken mate in front of camera. Whatever the law says, HE is
entirely resposnible for his actions. RSA is simply a smokescreen. Oh, and
my misses works at Subi Oval in corporate boxes serving plonk. She is well
aware of the legalities and her responsibilities whicn of course are to take
responsibility away from the individual. Hey, try telling a 6ft 2" hulk that
he can't have anymore....no fun!
Eddie
>
>
Neil Green
"Woofdog" <woo...@kennel.com.au> wrote in message
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Some of that makes sense Eddie, except for the
"moronic peers" reference.
What were Judd, Murphy, Gibbs or Ratten supposed to
do?
The bloke was as pissed as a fart and from all reports
not in a docile mood.
Do you suggest that as a group they should have
physically restrained him, or KO'd him, at the
Brownlow Medal ceremony of all places?
You and I both know how aggressive and irrational
drunks look and act, they were in a no win situation.
The best for all concerned would have been to have him
removed from the scene long before he got to the point
that he did, but what if he refused to leave or became
aggressive?
Who calls security?
giovani
Judd!!
He was the responsible man at the table
Is he not Der Kapitan und Leader?
Except Fevola "owned him"
Boy oh boy; did Fev have the "pressure point" BS**t down to a "T"
Obviously, even his own team mates did not believe "The Judster"? ;)
When does he start his martial arts movies?
Or is he going to leave that to Ch7 and Ch10 to record?
Mister Biggus
>do?
>The bloke was as pissed as a fart and from all reports
>not in a docile mood.
Stop him gettin to that stage.
gF
> Eddie
I think you have the wrong take on it.
The RSA system acknowledges that individuals with drug dependencies
lack self control and that instead of the dark old days that the bar
would just let people drink themselves into a stupor or aggression etc
that we as the providers must bear responsibility as the drug pusher
Fevs problem is no different to any other person except that it
was far more public.
gF
CDK
Who was the genius at Princess Park who decided it was a good idea to
have the club idiot/pisspot at the Brownlow anyway?
CDK
CDK
Ratten as his coach should have told him to stop drinking or leave.
I suspect that he was hoping Fev would make an idiot of himself so he
had an excuse to do what he should have done last year.
> The bloke was as pissed as a fart and from all reports
> not in a docile mood.
Have you seen the size of the secuity guys at Crown? They make Fev look
like a weed by comparison
> Do you suggest that as a group they should have
> physically restrained him, or KO'd him, at the
> Brownlow Medal ceremony of all places?
They should have suggested he leave as he was disgracing himmself and
his club. And on that what were the Carlton Hierachy thinking sending
him in the first place?
> You and I both know how aggressive and irrational
> drunks look and act, they were in a no win situation.
> The best for all concerned would have been to have him
> removed from the scene long before he got to the point
> that he did, but what if he refused to leave or became
> aggressive?
> Who calls security?
His coach.
CDK
Matt S
They WILL be fined, (coincidentally had a "visit" from the LLV lads on
Monday) according to the Inspector I spoke to.
I do wonder however, how shit scared are his team mates of Fev? Not
ONE of them, or collectively ALL of them, could manage/be bothered to
end the maniacal acts of the the team clown/drunk. Strange that a
club that lambastes "tragic" clubs, and claims their culture of
arrogance is superior to others, find themselves continually in
scenarios where their players bring shame upon their club. Their
recent history is a litany of disgraces, yet, somehow many of their
supporters feel the need to pretend to be superior to other clubs. I
guess hypocrisy sits in well with arrogance.
hooroo....from the Swoop...who's "tragic" club has NEVER won 3 wooden
spoons in 4 years. Who's "tragic" club sits 4th on the table of
matches won matches THIS DECADE, Versus the Blooze who are SIXTEENTH,
(yes, even BELOW Melbourne, Freo and Richmond!!). I guess when
"history" is your only saving grace, you will quote it ad nauseum eh?
Matt S
wrote:
Are you questioning the moral substance of this fine upstanding club
Col? I beleive they are making a HUGE play for Michael Hurley too.
They think he will fit in nicely!
hooroo...
CDK
Nice work swoops.
CDK
CDK
They have any?
> of this fine upstanding club
> Col? I beleive they are making a HUGE play for Michael Hurley too.
> They think he will fit in nicely!
;-)
CDK
Neil Green
"CDK" <Michel...@SistineChapel.com> wrote in
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He was told repeatedly to stop drinking and leave.
You've never seen someone plastered at close range?
>
> I suspect that he was hoping Fev would make an idiot
> of himself so he had an excuse to do what he should
> have done last year.
You suspect wrong.
>
>
>> The bloke was as pissed as a fart and from all
>> reports not in a docile mood.
>
> Have you seen the size of the secuity guys at Crown?
> They make Fev look like a weed by comparison
>
>> Do you suggest that as a group they should have
>> physically restrained him, or KO'd him, at the
>> Brownlow Medal ceremony of all places?
>
> They should have suggested he leave as he was
> disgracing himmself and his club. And on that what
> were the Carlton Hierachy thinking sending him in
> the first place?
The Carlton heirarchy didn't send him, he was invited
and was also working for Channel 9.
>
>
>> You and I both know how aggressive and irrational
>> drunks look and act, they were in a no win
>> situation.
>> The best for all concerned would have been to have
>> him removed from the scene long before he got to
>> the point that he did, but what if he refused to
>> leave or became aggressive?
>> Who calls security?
>
> His coach.
Not his job Colin, especially not at a public
function.
>
> CDK
Neil Green
"Matt S" <swooper@matt.s@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
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You been on the sauce with Fev Matty?
I like Footscray as a club, I live and work in
Footscray and so do most of my mates, but please don't
quote some bullshit stats to pump your tyres.
History says that there's one flag in the cabinet, and
that was 55 years ago, when all's said and done that's
the only stat that matters.
R. Spanditt
> > hooroo....from the Swoop...who's "tragic" club has
> > NEVER won 3 wooden
> > spoons in 4 years. Who's "tragic" club sits 4th on
> > the table of
> > matches won matches THIS DECADE, Versus the Blooze
> > who are SIXTEENTH,
> > (yes, even BELOW Melbourne, Freo and Richmond!!). I
> > guess when
> > "history" is your only saving grace, you will quote
> > it ad nauseum eh?
>
> You been on the sauce with Fev Matty?
> I like Footscray as a club, I live and work in
> Footscray and so do most of my mates, but please don't
> quote some bullshit stats to pump your tyres.
> History says that there's one flag in the cabinet, and
> that was 55 years ago, when all's said and done that's
> the only stat that matters.
The original post was obviously about the ineptitude and attitude of
the modern-day Carlton, so you've ignored the point being made there.
Don't blame you, things aren't good at Carlton at the minute.
Woofdog
"Neil Green" <nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Neil, I think I covered that with the 'good for tv thingy'. I know there is
no way that his mates could At THAT STAGE stop him. But Neil, could they not
have counselled him etc beforehand? I find it sad that a player with so
much talent and potential is being ruined because of alcohol wherein it
seems, neither club nor mates can help.
Neil, are the club at fault here? Should they have done more in terms of
penalities? Like frighten the shit out of him! He certainly needs one hell
of a lot of support and in such an environment, he should recieve it.
Eddie
>
>
>
Neil Green
"R. Spanditt" <dnarm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Things may not be good at Carlton, but they're better
than they were, and things aren't too flash at quite a
few other clubs as well.
Neil Green
It's hard to say what if anything could have been done
in the past Eddie, but it's fair to say that early on
in his time at Carlton he probably drunk less than the
President of the club and he's certainly not as big a
loud mouth.
His behaviour was probably actually encouraged in his
first three or four years at Carlton, sad as it is.
Drugs and alcohol ruin the lives of millions of
people, not just footballers, but seeing as we're
speaking of footballers I think the WCE may have a bit
to answer for as well in the case of Benny Boy.
Fev kicks bags of goals, Cousins wins flags, Didak is
a gun player, different rules apply.
CDK
Clearly he has a listening problem.
> You've never seen someone plastered at close range?
Certainly have.
Maybe not someone as monumnetally stupid as Fev though. (I know there
would be little chance of anyone seeing someone as monumentally stupied
as Fev).
>> I suspect that he was hoping Fev would make an idiot
>> of himself so he had an excuse to do what he should
>> have done last year.
>
> You suspect wrong.
Well his words to Fev were very in effective. More reason for Carlton
to get rid of Fev, as clearly he has no respect for his coach either.
>>> The bloke was as pissed as a fart and from all
>>> reports not in a docile mood.
>> Have you seen the size of the secuity guys at Crown?
>> They make Fev look like a weed by comparison
>>
>>> Do you suggest that as a group they should have
>>> physically restrained him, or KO'd him, at the
>>> Brownlow Medal ceremony of all places?
>> They should have suggested he leave as he was
>> disgracing himmself and his club. And on that what
>> were the Carlton Hierachy thinking sending him in
>> the first place?
>
> The Carlton heirarchy didn't send him, he was invited
> and was also working for Channel 9.
So the club has no say on who represents them at the Brownlow???
Come on NEil surely you are not that naive.
>>> You and I both know how aggressive and irrational
>>> drunks look and act, they were in a no win
>>> situation.
>>> The best for all concerned would have been to have
>>> him removed from the scene long before he got to
>>> the point that he did, but what if he refused to
>>> leave or became aggressive?
>>> Who calls security?
>> His coach.
>
> Not his job Colin, especially not at a public
> function.
Why not doesn't he care about the clubs reputation either?
CDK
Neil Green
"CDK" <Michel...@SistineChapel.com> wrote in
message
There's no point going over Fev's behaviour ad
infinitum, the club has decided that he's no longer
required and I support their decision.
David Clayton
........
> His behaviour was probably actually encouraged in his first three or four
> years at Carlton, sad as it is. Drugs and alcohol ruin the lives of
> millions of people, not just footballers, but seeing as we're speaking of
> footballers I think the WCE may have a bit to answer for as well in the
> case of Benny Boy. Fev kicks bags of goals, Cousins wins flags, Didak is a
> gun player, different rules apply.
These sort of people are indulged in all sorts of ways that usually end up
detrimental to the individual as well as those who believe that they will
benefit by having different standards applied to these "stars" compared to
lesser mortals.
I personally know that the ongoing indulgence Richmond gave Matthew
Richardson set back his eventual maturity so much that instead of playing
his best football at his physical peak, he reached it just a couple of
years before he will retire.
Richo could well have turned out to be one of the game's modern day
legends, instead he will most likely be remembered by non-Richmond fans as
someone who could have been more than he was - all because a weak club
indulged a kid who could play better than a lot of his peers.
These players are essentially a marker of how crap a club is (or will
soon be), the better clubs with the true long-term outlooks for success
will rarely carry this sort of baggage for long. They either fix it or
move it on to be someone else's problem.
Neil Green
"David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in
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Yes David, all true, and I hope that my club has
finally swallowed the bitter pill of failure and we
can move forward from here without the baggage you
refer to.
By the way, you'd be amazed at how many Carlton
supporters that I've spoken to who think that Fev's a
dickhead, disruptive and a poor role model but that we
simply can't afford to trade him or delist him because
he's too good a player.
That sort of thinking permeates all levels of society
unfortunately, and ultimately everyone loses.
David Clayton
........
> bitter pill of failure and we can move forward from here without the
> baggage you refer to.
> By the way, you'd be amazed at how many Carlton supporters that I've
> spoken to who think that Fev's a dickhead, disruptive and a poor role
> model but that we simply can't afford to trade him or delist him because
> he's too good a player.
> That sort of thinking permeates all levels of society unfortunately, and
> ultimately everyone loses.
Sadly I wouldn't be amazed about how many supporters of any club that has
not had real success for any period believe in things like that.
It seems to me that the longer a club is without success, more and more
"sane" supporters leave the fold and the remainder are increasingly
represented by growing proportion of dickheads who believe everything they
see on the Footy Show and everything they read in the Herald-Sun.
These sort of people range from the nuff-nuffs who would support "their"
player even if he was caught bombing a kindergarten, through to puffed-up
board members/sponsors who believe that the sun shines out of their
backsides.
I have far more sympathy for the administrations of AFL clubs these days
when they either have to continually pander to these fools in their club
or are compelled to come out with ridiculous public positions that have no
basis in reality - some of these people really have to earn their money
the hard way.
Mister Biggus
giovani
<big snip of regurgitation>
>> These players are essentially a marker of how crap a
>> club is (or will
>> soon be), the better clubs with the true long-term
>> outlooks for success
>> will rarely carry this sort of baggage for long.
>> They either fix it or
>> move it on to be someone else's problem.
<snip signature block>
> Yes David, all true, and I hope that my club has
> finally swallowed the bitter pill of failure and we
> can move forward from here without the baggage you
> refer to.
> By the way, you'd be amazed at how many Carlton
> supporters that I've spoken to who think that Fev's a
> dickhead, disruptive and a poor role model but that we
> simply can't afford to trade him or delist him because
> he's too good a player.
Yep
WC had / has same problem
Even now I know Eagles supporters who think Benny is the greatest and
was hardly done by.
I think you will admit that Benny is a better player than Fev
Albeit perhaps not in a fixed position (FF) match-up
Ben is also a charismatic leader
And as such did (relatively) more damage to WC before they finally bit
the bullet - or had the barrel placed in their mouth by the AFL?
Along the lines you suggest for Carlton; they had to get rid of the
baggage.
> That sort of thinking permeates all levels of society
> unfortunately, and ultimately everyone loses.
Yep ..... unfortunately!
Greed is good (going slightly OT) and if it's written in the newspaper
it must be right! (Must admit I enjoyed the Levitt Report - how often
do we forget to question?)
avagoodone
giovani
For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.
avagoodone
giovani
R. Spanditt
> > The original post was obviously about the ineptitude
> > and attitude of
> > the modern-day Carlton, so you've ignored the point
> > being made there.
> > Don't blame you, things aren't good at Carlton at
> > the minute.
>
> Things may not be good at Carlton, but they're better
> than they were, and things aren't too flash at quite a
> few other clubs as well.
Only NOW they are realising that the Fev's attitude is a negative
influence on the rest of the team? The damage he's done might take a
while to rectify - I think they thought Juddy was going to be able to
fix him up. Still a few years to go yet, but one (reliable) key
forward to help Kruezer and Waite would speed that up significantly.
Neil Green
"Mister Biggus" <_b0...@gmale.kom> wrote in message
> Point out to me who will kick those 90-100 goals
> next season then?
No one needs to, midfields win games.
Fevola has been a distraction for the club for years,
tolerated because of his star status and a misguided
belief that he's irreplaceable.
It might upset a few members in the here and now but
long term the club will be better off.
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
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I think he was as well, but I'm coming from a
different perspective to the average feral WCE
supporter (sorry Eddie).
A 12 month ban was way too harsh when it was never
shown that his drug use enhanced his onfield
performance, he should have been allowed to continue
playing on the proviso that he submitted to regular
testing for his chosen poison.
If the AFL was genuinally concerned for his welfare
that would have been the way to go.
On the other hand WCE openly admitted they were aware
of his problems 6 months before their premiership win
and did nothing at all, they are as morally bankrupt
as the rest.
>
> I think you will admit that Benny is a better player
> than Fev
> Albeit perhaps not in a fixed position (FF) match-up
>
> Ben is also a charismatic leader
> And as such did (relatively) more damage to WC
> before they finally bit the bullet - or had the
> barrel placed in their mouth by the AFL?
> Along the lines you suggest for Carlton; they had to
> get rid of the baggage.
After they secured a flag I notice gio.
Mister Biggus
of the game that wins..
havent you and the rest of the world carried on about the dogs with
"no real forward"
Greg
As in here comes Buddy Franklin?
Greg
He will be there next year, maybe with some extra conditions in his
contract, but he will be there.
Greg
Woofdog
We had this at the Eagles though you might be suprised at just how many
thought he should have gone long before; same for Gardiner and, to some
degree, Kerr. There is no doubt that part reason for our league downfall
over the past couple of years has been the loss and disruption caused by BC
and MG. But things progress, we've a good crop of kids coming along -thanks
for Kennedy, by the way, neil, you might need him yourself shortly - and
we'll start to move soon.
Eddie
>
>
Woofdog
>
> "giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
> news:02d6cf24$0$19421$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> Neil Green wrote:
>>> "David Clayton" <dcs...@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>
>> <big snip of regurgitation>
>>
>>>> These players are essentially a marker of how crap a club is (or will
>>>> soon be), the better clubs with the true long-term outlooks for success
>>>> will rarely carry this sort of baggage for long. They either fix it or
>>>> move it on to be someone else's problem.
>>
>> <snip signature block>
>>
>>> Yes David, all true, and I hope that my club has finally swallowed the
>>> bitter pill of failure and we can move forward from here without the
>>> baggage you refer to.
>>> By the way, you'd be amazed at how many Carlton supporters that I've
>>> spoken to who think that Fev's a dickhead, disruptive and a poor role
>>> model but that we simply can't afford to trade him or delist him because
>>> he's too good a player.
>>
>> Yep
>> WC had / has same problem
>> Even now I know Eagles supporters who think Benny is the greatest and was
>> hardly done by.
>
> I think he was as well, but I'm coming from a different perspective to the
> average feral WCE supporter (sorry Eddie).
I'm not feral Neil, you know that! I agree with much of what you and Gio
say.
;0)
Eddie
Neil Green
"Mister Biggus" <_b0...@gmale.kom> wrote in message
> oh good.. I always thought it was the team with most
> points at the end
> of the game that wins..
>
> havent you and the rest of the world carried on
> about the dogs with
> "no real forward"
Not me.
Footscray, with no real forward, were one kick from a
Grand Final this year, menwhile Carlton, with the
supposed best in the business, finished 7th.
Fevola has kicked over 500 goals in the last 7 years,
during that time Carlton has finished 16th three
times, 15th twice and played in one final which we
lost.
The gun forward has worked well for us hasn't it?
Neil Green
Mister Biggus
giggles, go back and remove all his points from the games this year..
Mister Biggus
He was fine when he had the NO PISS clause in his contract..
gF
"Neil Green" <nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:ha7k62$74f$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Mister Biggus" <_b0...@gmale.kom> wrote in message news:79aec5ttkj965ioc6...@4ax.com...
>> oh good.. I always thought it was the team with most points at the end
>> of the game that wins..
>>
>> havent you and the rest of the world carried on about the dogs with
>> "no real forward"
>
> Not me.
> Footscray, with no real forward, were one kick from a Grand Final this year
yeah but which St Kilda BIG forward
was the reason the Saints won
In the crunch the Doggies had no-one!
gF
gF
"Mister Biggus" <_b0...@gmale.kom> wrote in message news:vmlfc51uv5o0gl6ui...@4ax.com...
> Hope so...
> He was fine when he had the NO PISS clause in his contract..
>
What is missed by most is that
FEV was officially on Holidays
He didn't get drunk throught out the season
and his last two years have been outstanding
BTW Is what Fev did worse than Hurley
Not By A Long Shot and yet the Bumblers
state they wouldn't stand for it at their club
but Hurley is still on the list
LOL. As long as you can see the guy
is gunna be a gun you change the rules
Adelaide, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, West Coast
have all done it in the last two years without even
wracking by memory for other transgressions
gF
Neil Green
Games that close can go either way gF, abd there are a
thousand things that happen during a game that
dtermine the outcome.
I think Footscray recruiting Hall is a mistake, the
field of broken dreams is littered with clubs who
thought they were one player short of a Premiership.
R. Spanditt
> BTW Is what Fev did worse than Hurley
> Not By A Long Shot and yet the Bumblers
> state they wouldn't stand for it at their club
> but Hurley is still on the list
You must know more than anyone else seems to know about what Hurley
did, then?
gF
"R. Spanditt" <dnarm...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bf2b7915-8925-4830...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
it was pretty well reported
Michael Hurley after he was involved in an alcohol-related
incident in the early hours of Friday morning.
The 19-year-old was accused of punching and kicking a taxi driver
and reported to have been arrested in an inner-city suburb.
At no point do I recall Fev being arrested
for making an idiot of himself and
certainly not assaulting anyone physically
even if ou senses were!
gF
Woofdog
Arrested no, but certainly he DID assault someone. Have you forgot the Irish
incident. And that as a representative of his country.
Eddie
> gF
>
Matt S
<nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Matt S" <swooper@matt.s@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
>message
>news:sacac5h587ohvgjun...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:34:36 +1000, "gF"
>> <no.n...@aaah.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mister Biggus" <_b0...@gmale.kom> wrote in message
>>>news:t1v7c5td0u7rmkkti...@4ax.com...
>>>> They have obviously paid the press not to print
>>>> this bit, and the
>>>> media, cause I have not heard one place asking the
>>>> question on RSA!!!
>>>>
>>>>>It is entirely Crowns Fault that Fev became SO
>>>>>inebriated
>>>
>>>in fact they are being investigated
>>>and because Crown do not use a Nominee
>>>each director is liable for a fine of up to $11K
>>>
>>>gF
>>>
>>>however when was the last time a State Government
>>>Cash Cow was admonished by a State Govt
>>>Instrumentality?
>>>
>> They WILL be fined, (coincidentally had a "visit"
>> from the LLV lads on
>> Monday) according to the Inspector I spoke to.
>>
>> I do wonder however, how shit scared are his team
>> mates of Fev? Not
>> ONE of them, or collectively ALL of them, could
>> manage/be bothered to
>> end the maniacal acts of the the team clown/drunk.
>> Strange that a
>> club that lambastes "tragic" clubs, and claims their
>> culture of
>> arrogance is superior to others, find themselves
>> continually in
>> scenarios where their players bring shame upon their
>> club. Their
>> recent history is a litany of disgraces, yet,
>> somehow many of their
>> supporters feel the need to pretend to be superior
>> to other clubs. I
>> guess hypocrisy sits in well with arrogance.
>>
>> hooroo....from the Swoop...who's "tragic" club has
>> NEVER won 3 wooden
>> spoons in 4 years. Who's "tragic" club sits 4th on
>> the table of
>> matches won matches THIS DECADE, Versus the Blooze
>> who are SIXTEENTH,
>> (yes, even BELOW Melbourne, Freo and Richmond!!). I
>> guess when
>> "history" is your only saving grace, you will quote
>> it ad nauseum eh?
>
>You been on the sauce with Fev Matty?
>I like Footscray as a club, I live and work in
>Footscray and so do most of my mates, but please don't
>quote some bullshit stats to pump your tyres.
>History says that there's one flag in the cabinet, and
>that was 55 years ago, when all's said and done that's
>the only stat that matters.
>
You know this is directed towards the stats freak who insists our club
is tragic. I'd reckon a history of cheating, embarassing Presidents &
players, then as icing on the cake, the most unsuccessful team this
deacde, suggests their is a certain tragic element to the CFC too !!
Karma loves the footy!!
hooroo....
Matt S
We woulda grabbed Fev, but couldn't afford his booze bill.
hooroo...
Matt S
...and the Baggers had even less. A one man drunk show...thats the
CFC forward line!
hooroo...
gF
"Matt S" <swooper@matt.s@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:e9anc5tfhde9vdnsj...@4ax.com...
Everyone at the Blues recognises that 2002 - 2007
were absolute crap but in the great scheme of things
in the modern game Wooden Spoons are rewarded
lol and in just that paltry last 10 years
remind me again how many Grand Finals you have played in!
lets see who makes the most Grand Finals in the next ten years
gF
oh and Karma was a BPF obliterating the Dogs in the PF!
Tragic!
Neil Green
Yeah, righto Matt.
By the way, drafting Hall is a big mistake.
Neil Green
I don't think you could afford him period.
Fev would be a much better fit for Footscray than
Hall, and you'd probably get 5 years from him.
Neil Green
Not any more. ;-)
Mister Biggus
<insert repetitive stupid comment on fighting>
Matt S
So sooo predictable. When your club becomes an embarassment...play
the history card. Keep your tainted premierships stats boy... they
mean diddly squat to anyone other than a Blooze fan. Gonna make a
play for Hurley?...he'd fit in well with your mob of drunks.
hooroo....
Matt S
<nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
...as with any trade Neil, time will be the best judge!!
hooroo.....
Matt S
<nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
...and the 5 year thing was the sticking point (as well as the $$$).
With Roughead beefing up and ready to begin in 2010... Bouman, Grant,
& Cordy 2 years until they make any significant impact, a LONG term
fix was NOT required, and an extravagance over the level affordable.
Fev tends to "demand" the footy at ANY forward entry, we are more
suited to a team player with the myriad of OTHER goal scoring options.
We still WERE the highest goal scoring team in 2009 despite coming
3rd!!
Anyways...what sort of a culture would WE be creating if Aker, Hall &
Fev were ALL in the same team.... Eade would be totally bald by end of
2010...:>)
hooroo...
Matt S
So who is gonna kick your goals in 2010??? Fev was the target in
something like 75% of your forward thrusts !!
Andrew Walker is the new messiah???
Kroooooze I guess is your best option if Robbie Doorknock is fit &
ready.
hooroo....
R. Spanditt
> it was pretty well reported
>
> Michael Hurley after he was involved in an alcohol-related
> incident in the early hours of Friday morning.
> The 19-year-old was accused of punching and kicking a taxi driver
> and reported to have been arrested in an inner-city suburb.
>
> At no point do I recall Fev being arrested
> for making an idiot of himself and
> certainly not assaulting anyone physically
> even if ou senses were!
Oh I see, i hadn't yet realised that everything you read in the paper
is true!
And that when you read something in the paper and it obviously, of
course, has to be true, that the word 'accused' must mean that the
person being 'accused' obviously must have been responsible for the
behaviour in question.
Oh.
Dear.
Neil Green
I hope to see us share the ball around in the front
half a lot more, we've got plenty of scoring options.
It's hard to bag a bloke who kicks so many goals but
I've never thought a one man forward line revolving
around Fev was a good idea.
Ratten was making noises about other forward options
but when you've got a player of his capabilities he
naturally draws the ball.
When it's all said and done he's kicked 500 goals in
the last 7 years and it's got us precisely nowhere,
I'm looking forward to a fresh start.
>
> Andrew Walker is the new messiah???
Yarran will kick bags one day, he's 18 just now.
Walker could well kick a few as well, he's a very good
footballer.
>
> Kroooooze I guess is your best option if Robbie
> Doorknock is fit &
> ready.
Kreuzer will be one of the best ruckmen in the country
in two or three years, no way he'll play as a
permanent forward.
Footscray were a kick from a grand final without a big
bodied forward, it's not the massive problem some see
it as.
>
> hooroo....
Neil Green
None of the players you mentioned have fired a shot
Matt, there's no telling whether they'll be any good
at all.
It's a pity you couldn't afford Fev, he'd blitz with
your midfield delivery and make a much more dangerous
player out of Murphy and a few others.
Such is life.
Matt S
<nrgre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I'm happy tho Neil. Hall WAS a surprise to me, Eade factor & history
with said player, obvious need etc. outweighed the "issues" risk. His
midemeanors are solely based upon onfield antics, as opposed to Fev,
who hasn't a brain off the paddock. and is a risk to club morale,
discipline, etc. etc. I can't ever recall any bad off field
shenaigans one of our players has even been "reported" as being
involved, (Sir Douglas Hawkins the obvious exception to the rule..:>).
This is one part of our ahem...tragic history, that I happen to be
proud of. Fev is not in that sphere, and could never represent our
club.
hooroo...
Neil Green
Fev was always popular with the players at Carlton
Matt, until recently at least.
Akermanis was run out of town by the Brisbane boys.
giovani
Aker is his own man
You say he was "run out of town"
Does this "say" something about Aker OR the "Brisbane boys"
Are we now into a situation of "mob rule" (and unfortunately
considering the OT matter of Hey Hey, the answer is "yes:)
"Everyone says" so it must be right ;)
cf with the Emperor's Clothes fable
avagoodone
giovani
PS: I do not and have not ever watched (more than 10 minutes) of a Hey
Hey show
Neil Green
"giovani" <gio...@nothere.not_there> wrote in message
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As it happens I was watching the show last night gio,
my wife likes a bit of nostalgia you see.
When the black face act came on I thought "whoa", it's
2009 not 1959.
It's easy for us whities to say there was nothing in
it, but we weren't born black and treated like shit
for most of our lives were we?
As for Aker, I have no idea what went down in that
footy club but he got an awful lot of people offside
including the coach and most of the senior players.
Was the rest of the army out of step you think?
giovani
<big snip>
> Was the rest of the army out of step you think?
Been known to happen (in life and history)