Re: Charlotte Dawson

[Antisocial Loser Party]

On 27/02/2014 2:18 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Antisocial Loser Party <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2014 1:02 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Roger Dewhurst <dewhurs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Charlotte Dawson, 47, took her own life. ..."
>> ...
>>>> We ask that the Australian Government and ...
>>>>
>> ...
>>>
>>> I didn't sign the petition because it not provide any information
>>> about the restrictions the organiser wanted to place on Facebook or
>>> Twitter. However, I hope that there are, or will be, safeguards
>>> against bullying everywhere including social media.
>>>
>>
>> Calling for the government, especially a Labor government to control
>> bullies is a joke,
>
> We don't have a Labor government. Tony Abbott is a Liberal MP and
> although he does not behave like a Prime Minister you need to
> understand that he really does have the job <https://www.pm.gov.au/>.

The proponent of workplace anti-bullying legislation was Julia Gillard.
That legislation was dumped along with the idiot that proposed it.

Tony Abbott is unlikely table workplace anti-bullying legislation
because he is a proponent of free speech. He appointed a libertarian to
head up the HREOC and libertarians (in case you didn't know) would opt
for an approach which exposes the bully - maybe to public ridicule.

You might have noticed one or two posters in *this* forum doing exactly
that,


...
>> When one journalist said the Prime Minister's office was handling the
>> AWU 'slush fund' allegations poorly, he wrote to staff requesting the
>> exact criticism so he could 'c**t the c**t'".
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/emails-reveal-john-mcternan-oblivious-on-abortion-law/5150964
>>
>>
>> Julia Gillard hired this <expletive deleted> *precisely* to bully her
>> opponents and everyone else in the arena.
>>
>> Do you seriously think that any of Gillard's laws would be effective
>> against bullying?

Precisely why freedom-of-speech proponents are against such laws.

Take Stephen Conroy, bully as a minister, object of ridicule in
opposition. Should he be fined or charged for yesterday's bullying of an
Australian national hero?

Nah - he should be exposed to the cold light of public judgement and
*ridiculed*.


>>
>> She was the ultimate agent of "unintended consequences", as we have seen
>> with a fucking disaster zone for workers due to her supposedly
>> worker-friendly policies.
>>
>> By the way, the expose of the McTernan emails is *another* instance of
>> the ABC sitting on information until after the election.
>>
>> Withholding information is a classic bullying tactic - what action will
>> be taken?
>
> Bullying is a difficult concept to define so it is not surprising that
> you don't understand the distinction between referring to someone as a
> bully and the corrosive effects,

I'm not surprised that you're quoting examples as *you* attempt to
understand it.


> sometimes leading to suicide, of
> bullying in schools, in the workplace and in social media. A couple of
> examples may help you
> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-03/teen-27happy-and-healthy27-before-workplace-bullying/5131698>
> <http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/highschool-bullying-drove-teen-to-suicide-20100617-yjuo.html>.
>

Gillard's stupid legislation wouldn't have made a blind bit of
difference. He called the union FFS and they did fuck-all about it -
probably too busy having lunches in posh restaurants or discussing
"workplace conditions" with prostitutes.

The correct approach to bullies is to educate people (like you for
instance) and expose them for what they are - and also support the victims.

Both victims above were what are know as 'co-dependents' - people who
attract bullies. It is easy to educate people to defeat bullies.



--
Labor's legacy:
Heavily unionised: Holden, Ford, Toyota, Alcoa, SPC, Qantas
Huge Carbon tax bills: Alcoa, SPC

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ScreenHunter_03-Oct.-07-08.43.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI
http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Morgan%20Poll/2013/November/5281-quarterly.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-16/boat-arrivals-by-year-graph/4694210

Flannery...
"we are plugged into Gaia aren't we?"

Pickering...
"You could put an ALP badge on a chimpanzee and the people of Canberra
would vote for it"

Labor's preference to Gillard...
"It is to do everything I *physically* can to stop Mr Abbott becoming
the next prime minister of Australia..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguhkVG49To

Milne...
"PM must ROOT out sexism in ALP"
http://twitter.com/aus_politics/status/257272797829685249

"Mr Blewitt will be registered owner of the unit you are purchasing".
http://www.smh.com.au/national/pms-exboyfriend-had-major-role-in-buying-unit-in-name-of-union-crony-20121009-27bcp.html


Sir Isaac Newton...
"I can calculate the movement of the stars, but not the madness of men"

Tanner...
"When I joined the Labor Party people joined Labor to change the world.
Now they join Labor to run the world".

Joyce...
"It was the prime minister herself who, of her own volition, decided to
go out and grab the wheelie bin and put it back in the kitchen"

Carbon Tax for Dummies:
"It's an emissions trading scheme with a fixed price"

Climate Change for Dummies:
http://www.climate4you.com/images/VostokTemp0-420000%20BP.gif

"Don't write crap. Can't be that hard. And when you have written
complete crap, then I think you should correct it" - Julia Gillard
http://tinyurl.com/Gillard4Sale

Labor's cup runneth over...
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/gammasquadtoiletcup.jpg

"Socialism or Communism; the first is suicide, the second murder. In the
end you have a dead body either way" - Ayn Rand

#auspol #ausdebate

[Gordon Levi]

Antisocial Loser Party <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>On 27/02/2014 2:18 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Antisocial Loser Party <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/02/2014 1:02 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>> Roger Dewhurst <dewhurs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Charlotte Dawson, 47, took her own life. ..."
>>> ...
>>>>> We ask that the Australian Government and ...
>>>>>
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I didn't sign the petition because it not provide any information
>>>> about the restrictions the organiser wanted to place on Facebook or
>>>> Twitter. However, I hope that there are, or will be, safeguards
>>>> against bullying everywhere including social media.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Calling for the government, especially a Labor government to control
>>> bullies is a joke,
>>
>> We don't have a Labor government. Tony Abbott is a Liberal MP and
>> although he does not behave like a Prime Minister you need to
>> understand that he really does have the job <https://www.pm.gov.au/>.
>
>The proponent of workplace anti-bullying legislation was Julia Gillard.
>That legislation was dumped along with the idiot that proposed it.

Julia Gillard was the Prime Minister when the anti-bullying amendments
were inserted into the Fair Work Act
<http://www.fwc.gov.au/index.cfm?pagename=aboutamendmentact>. Tony
Abbott has been the Prime Minister since September. Got it?

>
>Tony Abbott is unlikely table workplace anti-bullying legislation
>because he is a proponent of free speech.

You may be right. After all it was only an election promise
<http://tinyurl.com/ltq3fex>.

Have you thought of a new career as an imam? They educate people to
defeat rapists by blaming the victim too.

[Antisocial Loser Party]

My mistake, I read that this legislation had been dumped.

No-one, not even a professional lawyer could keep up with the volume of
legislation produced by Gillard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI

It will take an army of lawyers to dismantle all the shit.

>>
>> Tony Abbott is unlikely table workplace anti-bullying legislation
>> because he is a proponent of free speech.
>
> You may be right. After all it was only an election promise
> <http://tinyurl.com/ltq3fex>.

Under-18s.

"Mr Abbott said the take down orders would only apply to bullying of
people under 18 years and was not general internet censorship"

You might have noticed one Bill Shorten standing in the way of
legislative changes, e.g. Carbon tax, cost to Qantas last year $109m.

You are an idiot. Recognising that some people have a propensity to
*like* being bullied is part & parcel of a holistic *treatment* of
bullying and in no way assigns blame to the victim.

Secondly, rape is an extreme form of abuse/bullying and educating
bullying victims may well prevent/save them from more extreme abuse as
it escalates.

Third, psychological treatment in no way changes the legal liability for
rape.

Only an idiot could come up with such an 'analogy'.

Fourth, I notice how you avoid completely the efficacy of Gillard's
legislation.

These provisions are complete & utter garbage:

"8. A worker who ‘reasonably believes that he or she has been bullied at
work’, may apply to the Commission for an order under s.789FF (new
s.789FC(1))".

"10. If satisfied that a valid application has been made, that bullying
conduct has occurred and there is risk of further such conduct, the
Commission is empowered by s.789FF of the Act to make any order it
considers appropriate (other than an order requiring the payment of a
pecuniary amount) to prevent the worker from being bullied at work".

Firstly, every man & his dog who is disciplined will make a application
to FW. Why? Cos it costs nothing.

Secondly, FW has no expertise to assess what is or isn't bullying.

It is stupid legislation like this that has and is tying Australia in
knots and damaging the economy long after the worst PM in our history
has been kicked out *and* we are stuck with an imbecile who refuses to
repeal legislation which voters clearly & unambiguously have said they
*wanted* repealed.

It will take at least a decade to clean up Australia and remove the
stench of Labor.

--
Labor's legacy:
Heavily unionised: Holden, Ford, Toyota, Alcoa, SPC, Qantas
Huge Carbon tax bills: Alcoa, SPC

Why Carbon tax is absurd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL6-x0modwY