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Barry OGrady

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May 16, 2013, 4:32:03 AM5/16/13
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CrystalEye

Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011

No copyright infringement intended. It's just nice to have a little
comedy in the debunking of creationism :)

Remember that this episode is from 2003, so before the Dover trials,
the inclusion of intelligent design into the school systems in
Louisiana, etc.

ID was defeated in kitzmiller vs dover colorado. ID cannot be
taught in schools.

===========
I have come up with a way God could prove himself to everybody
in a way that would leave no doubt.
God is said to be everywhere at once so God could knock on every
door in the world at the same time. How could I deny God then?

gladys swager

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May 16, 2013, 9:08:07 PM5/16/13
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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:32:03 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOYLEDKDh0&list=PL6sbAVwF1Gm_HuNNQ3xKrsYsm3B2BfS-w CrystalEye Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011 No copyright infringement intended. It's just nice to have a little comedy in the debunking of creationism :) Remember that this episode is from 2003, so before the Dover trials, the inclusion of intelligent design into the school systems in Louisiana, etc. ID was defeated in kitzmiller vs dover colorado. ID cannot be taught in schools. ===========
And was it a stacked court/jury?
Intelligent design is a way to state that Evolution could not have happened, because living organisms including humans are complex in their anatomies, and all had to be place for the organism, be it a fish or man, or any other animal
or plants to function adequately in their environments.
Barry, what about ....
How did nobody make something out of nothing at the beginning of time?



Barry OGrady

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May 17, 2013, 12:15:38 AM5/17/13
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Whatr about you use proper formatting?

Barry OGrady

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May 17, 2013, 9:48:41 PM5/17/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:08:07 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:32:03 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOYLEDKDh0&list=PL6sbAVwF1Gm_HuNNQ3xKrsYsm3B2BfS-w
>>
>>CrystalEye
>>
>> Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011
>>
>>No copyright infringement intended. It's just nice to have a little
>>comedy in the debunking of creationism :) Remember that this episode
>>is from 2003, so before the Dover trials, the inclusion of intelligent
>>design into the school systems in Louisiana, etc. ID was defeated in
>>kitzmiller vs dover colorado. ID cannot be taught in schools.
>>
>>===========
>
>And was it a stacked court/jury?

Apparently not and the judge was a theist.

>Intelligent design is a way to state that Evolution could not have
>happened, because living organisms including humans are complex in
>their anatomies, and all had to be place for the organism, be it a
>fish or man, or any other animal or plants to function adequately in
>their environments.

At the trial creationists introduced ID as an attempt to get away from
religion but it was discovered that the ID documents were an exact
copy of creationist documents.

>Barry, what about ....
>How did nobody make something out of nothing at the beginning of time?

What would you like to know about it?

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gladys swager

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May 19, 2013, 7:18:23 PM5/19/13
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:
>On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOYLEDKDh0&list=PL6sbAVwF1Gm_HuNNQ3xKrsYsm3B2BfS-w >> >>CrystalEye >> >> Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011 >> >>No copyright infringement intended.
> It's just nice to have a little omedy in the debunking of creationism
> Remember that this episode >>is from 2003, so before the Dover trials,
> the inclusion of intelligent >>design into the school systems in Louisiana,
> etc. ID was defeated in kitzmiller vs dover colorado.
> ID cannot be taught in schools.

> >And was it a stacked court/jury?

> >>Apparently not and the judge was a theist.

>Intelligent design is a way to state that Evolution could not have >happened, > because living organisms including humans are complex in their anatomies,
> and all had to be place for the organism, be it a fish or man, or any other
> animal or plant to function adequately in their environments.
> At the trial creationists introduced ID as an attempt to get away from
> religion but it was discovered that the ID documents were an exact copy of
> creationist documents.

And the basic premise of those Creationist documents would have come from the Bible.

>Barry, what about ....
How did nobody make something out of nothing at the beginning of time?
What would you like to know about it?

I was asking you. You are so very vocal on other issues.
Surely you have determined how the first life began on earth.....
I would think that the Old and New Testament scriptures of the Bible
may be the oldest texts from ancient times still read today
by a large percentage of huamns on this planet.

You should take time to read Steve Wilson's postings.
He is presenting the Biblical faith in the context of modern logical understandings. For Atheists, it could be a good introduction to the Bible,.
in arguing for its truths.

Barry, in all the postings you have made,
I can't recall that at any time you stated why you accepted Atheism.

Barry OGrady

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May 20, 2013, 5:35:27 AM5/20/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 16:18:23 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:
>>On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOYLEDKDh0&list=PL6sbAVwF1Gm_HuNNQ3xKrsYsm3B2BfS-w

>> >>CrystalEye
>> >> Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011
>> >>No copyright infringement intended.
>> It's just nice to have a little comedy in the debunking of creationism
>> Remember that this episode is from 2003, so before the Dover trials,
>> the inclusion of intelligent design into the school systems in Louisiana,
>> etc. ID was defeated in kitzmiller vs dover colorado.
>> ID cannot be taught in schools.
>
>> >And was it a stacked court/jury?
>
>> >>Apparently not and the judge was a theist.
>
>> At the trial creationists introduced ID as an attempt to get away from
>> religion but it was discovered that the ID documents were an exact copy of
>> creationist documents.
>
>And the basic premise of those Creationist documents would have come from the Bible.
>
>>Barry, what about ....
>How did nobody make something out of nothing at the beginning of time?
>What would you like to know about it?
>
>I was asking you. You are so very vocal on other issues.
>Surely you have determined how the first life began on earth.....
>I would think that the Old and New Testament scriptures of the Bible
>may be the oldest texts from ancient times still read today
>by a large percentage of huamns on this planet.
>
>You should take time to read Steve Wilson's postings.
>He is presenting the Biblical faith in the context of modern logical
>understandings. For Atheists, it could be a good introduction to the
>Bible, in arguing for its truths.

>Barry, in all the postings you have made,
>I can't recall that at any time you stated why you accepted Atheism.

How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.

You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.

gladys swager

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May 20, 2013, 6:43:09 PM5/20/13
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On Monday, May 20, 2013 7:35:27 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:

Barry, All the living things in the world today...had a beginning sometime in the past ages. Yhey live, they reproduce (generally), they die.

The first plants and animals could not have come from other pants and animals
becuse there were no plants and animals before the first plants and animals.
That is just plain logic.

So how did the first plants and animals - including humans -
come to be on this planet?
Evolutionists either ignore that very important issue
or push it back into millions of years
where it is not scientifically determinalble..but they still call it science.

Today's world population supports creation six thousand years ago.
Aspects of the physiology of the world supports the flood in the time of Noah.
The geology of the world supports Genesis 1 : 10 and Continental Drift -
a subject in at least one High School science text, (I have on my bookshelf).

But the Evolutionists who took over our school system through information
given in Teacher's Training olleges from the early post-WW-2 years
do not allow the students to know any of that information....
or they are ignorant of it themselves.

I can understand that Atheists even before the end of WW-2 - in which what would once have been known as Christian Europe had been engulfed in war- determined that they would impose their ideas.
Christians as highly trained have called for a reappraisal of those determinations.
Surely the determinations of the Secularisers/Atheists should be balanced by the determinations of the equally trained, (scientifically)
Christian- Creationist Scientists
so that an assessment can be made of the greater plausibility of one group
over the other group.
Setting up a monopology on information, as the Secularisers did after WW-2 should now be investigated,
and the arguments of Scientists on both sides of this issue be thoroughly assessed against the evidence that is now available.

Barry OGrady

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May 20, 2013, 6:53:18 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:35:27 +1000, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 May 2013 16:18:23 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
><gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, May 18, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:
>>>On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOYLEDKDh0&list=PL6sbAVwF1Gm_HuNNQ3xKrsYsm3B2BfS-w
>
>>> >>CrystalEye
>>> >> Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011
>>> >>No copyright infringement intended.
>>> It's just nice to have a little comedy in the debunking of creationism
>>> Remember that this episode is from 2003, so before the Dover trials,
>>> the inclusion of intelligent design into the school systems in Louisiana,
>>> etc. ID was defeated in kitzmiller vs dover colorado.
>>> ID cannot be taught in schools.
>>
>>> >And was it a stacked court/jury?
>>
>>> >>Apparently not and the judge was a theist.
>>
>>> At the trial creationists introduced ID as an attempt to get away from
>>> religion but it was discovered that the ID documents were an exact copy of
>>> creationist documents.
>>
>>And the basic premise of those Creationist documents would have come from the Bible.

Exactly. Which is why the creationist case failed.

>>>Barry, what about ....
>>How did nobody make something out of nothing at the beginning of time?
>>What would you like to know about it?
>>
>>I was asking you. You are so very vocal on other issues.
>>Surely you have determined how the first life began on earth.....

Nobody knows, however it is reasonable to assume there
was not always life so at some time life must have come from
non-life.

>>You should take time to read Steve Wilson's postings.
>>He is presenting the Biblical faith in the context of modern logical
>>understandings.

Steve is using the same old discredited hacks. He is just
repeating what he has been told so that when asked for
evidence or more information he is at a complete loss.

>>For Atheists, it could be a good introduction to the
>>Bible, in arguing for its truths.

It might have, if Steve had any answers.

>>Barry, in all the postings you have made,
>>I can't recall that at any time you stated why you accepted Atheism.

That's because you have a poor memory.
I told you before my atheism is due to the lack of [G|g]od(s).

Barry OGrady

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May 20, 2013, 9:48:20 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:43:09 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 20, 2013 7:35:27 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>Barry, All the living things in the world today...had a beginning
>sometime in the past ages. Yhey live, they reproduce (generally), they
>die.

You have let God down badly by failing to reproduce.
No heaven for you(EXCLAMATION POINT)

>The first plants and animals could not have come from other pants and animals
>becuse there were no plants and animals before the first plants and animals.
>That is just plain logic.

So nothing exists(QUESTION MARK)

>So how did the first plants and animals - including humans -
>come to be on this planet?
>Evolutionists either ignore that very important issue
>or push it back into millions of years
>where it is not scientifically determinalble..but they still call it science.

First life is not part of evolution(FULL STOP)

>Today's world population supports creation six thousand years ago.

How do you fit 400 million years of trilobites into six thousand
years(QUESTION MARK)

>Aspects of the physiology of the world supports the flood in the time of Noah.

Except that the Grand Canyon could not have been made in a short
time(FULL STOP)

>The geology of the world supports Genesis 1 : 10 and Continental Drift -
>a subject in at least one High School science text, (I have on my bookshelf).

Is continental drift in the bible(QUESTION MARK)

>But the Evolutionists who took over our school system through information
>given in Teacher's Training olleges from the early post-WW-2 years
>do not allow the students to know any of that information....
>or they are ignorant of it themselves.

I would like to have more information about that but you refuse to
elabarate(FULL STOP)

>I can understand that Atheists even before the end of WW-2 - in which
>what would once have been known as Christian Europe had been engulfed
>in war- determined that they would impose their ideas.

But can you explain it to me(QUESTION MARK)

>Christians as highly trained have called for a reappraisal of those determinations.

Trained by God(QUESTION MARK)

>Surely the determinations of the Secularisers/Atheists should be
>balanced by the determinations of the equally trained,
>(scientifically) Christian- Creationist Scientists so that an
>assessment can be made of the greater plausibility of one group
>over the other group.

No, because the two are completely separate areas(FULL STOP)

>Setting up a monopology on information, as the Secularisers did after
>WW-2 should now be investigated, and the arguments of Scientists on
>both sides of this issue be thoroughly assessed against the evidence
>that is now available.

I'd like to investigate and you can help by giving me more
information, such as where I can look.
Of course there are not two sides as creation and evolution
are completely different fields and thus not comparable.

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.

How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.

You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.

==============
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gladys swager

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May 21, 2013, 9:59:12 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >Barry, All the living things in the world today...had a beginning sometime in the past ages. Yhey live, they reproduce (generally), they die.

You have let God down badly by failing to reproduce. No heaven for you(EXCLAMATION POINT)

You are a man who thinks he is omniscient,
(look up your dictionary if you don't know the meaning)

>The first plants and animals could not have come from other plants and animals >becuse there were no plants and animals before the first plants and animals. >That is just plain logic.

So nothing exists(QUESTION MARK)
>So how did the first plants and animals - including humans - >come to be on this planet?
>Evolutionists either ignore that very important issue or push it back into >millions of years where it is not scientifically determinalble..but they still >call it science.

First life is not part of evolution(FULL STOP)

Why isn't it....You say waht happened **8after first life....why not before???

>Today's world population supports creation six thousand years ago.

How do you fit 400 million years of trilobites into six thousand years(QUESTION MARK)

It is 400 millions years now? - keep going and you'll be sstating that everything is eternal - ie always existed. Have you dound all the bones yet?

>Aspects of the physiology of the world supports the flood in the time of Noah.

> Except that the Grand Canyon could not have been made in a short time(FULL STOP)

You may not have ever been in flood conditions to realise the power of
volumes of rushing water. I have witnessed one such flood on our farm.
A 44-gallon drum of petrol was lifted by the flood waters and taken a few properties away, to be retrieved later when the flood waters were dispersed.
And there have been many worse floods in many parts of the world than that one on our property.

>The geology of the world supports Genesis 1 : 10 and Continental Drift -
>a subject in at least one High School science text, (I have on my bookshelf).

Is continental drift in the bible(QUESTION MARK)

However, from observations, even lines of fossils from one continent to the nearest one physically gives an indication that the continents formed one land mass originally.

Genesis 1 : 9 also indicates there could have been one land mass.
And God said,"Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

>But the Evolutionists who took over our school system through information >given in Teacher's Training Colleges from the early post-WW-2 years do not
> allow the students to know any of that information....
>or they are ignorant of it themselves.

I would like to have more information about that but you refuse to elabarate(FULL STOP)

Not a refusal to elaborate....it is a relatively recent known phenomenon
of the earth's surface...

>I can understand that Atheists even before the end of WW-2 - in which
>what would once have been known as Christian Europe had been engulfed
>in war- determined that they would impose their ideas.

But can you explain it to me(QUESTION MARK)

>Christians as highly trained have called for a reappraisal of those
> determinations.

Trained by God(QUESTION MARK)

>Surely the determinations of the Secularisers/Atheists should be balanced by the determinations of the equally trained, (scientifically), Christian- Creationist Scientists so that an assessment can be made of the greater plausibility of one group over the other group.

No, because the two are completely separate areas(FULL STOP)

To you, No, because you do not want the truth to be told - one way or the other - you just want indoctrinations of what you have accepted.

>Setting up a monopology on information, as the Secularisers did after
>WW-2 should now be investigated, and the arguments of Scientists on
>both sides of this issue be thoroughly assessed against the evidence
>that is now available.

I'd like to investigate and you can help by giving me more information, such as where I can look. Of course there are not two sides as creation and evolution are completely different fields and thus not comparable. You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.

How are you going with the David Attenborough programs on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They are both entertaining and educational.

He is making quite an amount of money out of his presentation...possibly laughing all the way to the bank. He has a captive audience such as yourself who evidently was indoctrinated in the school system tah ttaught tha tEvolution was Science, when it couldn't be tested scientifically...and still can't be.

Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes especially the one about creation. They do an excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is. You never did thank me for showing you how you can watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David Attenborough without needing a TV. The important thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how absurd creation is. That is thanks enough although I would like to hear your thoughts about the programs.

If you want to use common vulgarisms, that is your choice,
I would prefer the scientific evidence, and am of the opinion that you do not have any such evidence.

Knighthoods can come fairly easily...and may not always be for true scientific evidence, only the ability of those promoting the programs.

One thing Evolutionists have not yet proved ...and that is how did life on this planet originate....discount God...and you have 'Nobody'....???
and I am still to see 'Nobody' do anything.

Barry, the truth is evolutionary-Atheists have lost...and lost miserably!!!

creation.com/education-questions-and-answers

You need to know the other understandings in this issue,

Barry OGrady

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May 22, 2013, 9:37:25 AM5/22/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:59:12 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

So we both wrote the same things?

>> >Barry, All the living things in the world today...had a beginning sometime in the past ages. Yhey live, they reproduce (generally), they die.
>
>You have let God down badly by failing to reproduce.

You don't know that.

>No heaven for you(EXCLAMATION POINT)

No heaven for anyone.

>You are a man who thinks he is omniscient,
> (look up your dictionary if you don't know the meaning)

You are too stupid to know that you are too stupid to know.

>The first plants and animals could not have come from other plants and
>animals becuse there were no plants and animals before the first
>plants and animals. That is just plain logic.

Logic is not your friend.

>So nothing exists(QUESTION MARK)

Why do you say that?

>>So how did the first plants and animals - including humans - >come to be on this planet?
>>Evolutionists either ignore that very important issue or push it back into >millions of years where it is not scientifically determinalble..but they still >call it science.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>First life is not part of evolution(FULL STOP)

I agree.

>Why isn't it....You say waht happened **8after first life....why not before???

Why did you say 'First life is not part of evolution(FULL STOP)'

>>Today's world population supports creation six thousand years ago.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>How do you fit 400 million years of trilobites into six thousand years(QUESTION MARK)

I don't try.

>It is 400 millions years now?

You said it was.

>keep going and you'll be sstating that everything is eternal - ie
>always existed. Have you dound all the bones yet?

I am still working on dounding the bones.

>>Aspects of the physiology of the world supports the flood in the time of Noah.
>
>> Except that the Grand Canyon could not have been made in a short time(FULL STOP)
>
>You may not have ever been in flood conditions to realise the power of
>volumes of rushing water. I have witnessed one such flood on our farm.
>A 44-gallon drum of petrol was lifted by the flood waters and taken a
>few properties away, to be retrieved later when the flood waters were
>dispersed.
>And there have been many worse floods in many parts of the world than
>that one on our property.

Do you have a point?

>>The geology of the world supports Genesis 1 : 10 and Continental Drift -
>>a subject in at least one High School science text, (I have on my bookshelf).

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>Is continental drift in the bible(QUESTION MARK)

I don't know. Is it?

>However, from observations, even lines of fossils from one continent
>to the nearest one physically gives an indication that the continents
>formed one land mass originally.
>
>Genesis 1 : 9 also indicates there could have been one land mass.
>And God said,"Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
>unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Is continental drift in the bible?

>>But the Evolutionists who took over our school system through information >given in Teacher's Training Colleges from the early post-WW-2 years do not
>> allow the students to know any of that information....
>>or they are ignorant of it themselves.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>I would like to have more information about that but you refuse to elabarate(FULL STOP)

What should I elaborate on?

>Not a refusal to elaborate....it is a relatively recent known phenomenon
>of the earth's surface...

How are early post-WW-2 years a relatively recent known phenomenon
of the earth's surface?

>>I can understand that Atheists even before the end of WW-2 - in which
>>what would once have been known as Christian Europe had been engulfed
>>in war- determined that they would impose their ideas.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>But can you explain it to me(QUESTION MARK)

I was hoping you would explain it to me.

>>Christians as highly trained have called for a reappraisal of those
>> determinations.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>Trained by God(QUESTION MARK)

That's what I would like to know.

>>Surely the determinations of the Secularisers/Atheists should be balanced by the determinations of the equally trained, (scientifically), Christian- Creationist Scientists so that an assessment can be made of the greater plausibility of one group over the other group.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>No, because the two are completely separate areas(FULL STOP)

In what way?

>To you, No, because you do not want the truth to be told - one way or the other - you just want indoctrinations of what you have accepted.

Why did you say the two are completely separate areas?

>>Setting up a monopology on information, as the Secularisers did after
>>WW-2 should now be investigated, and the arguments of Scientists on
>>both sides of this issue be thoroughly assessed against the evidence
>>that is now available.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>I'd like to investigate and you can help by giving me more
>information, such as where I can look.

I am the one needing more information.

>Of course there are not two
>sides as creation and evolution are completely different fields and
>thus not comparable.

I agree with you there!

>You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.

I usually do.

>How are you going with the David Attenborough programs on youtube via
>the link I had made for you? You can't help but be impressed with the
>standard of the programs. They are both entertaining and educational.

I agree about the standard of the programs but I was not aware of
you making any links for me.

>He is making quite an amount of money out of his
>presentation...possibly laughing all the way to the bank. He has a
>captive audience such as yourself who evidently was indoctrinated in
>the school system tah ttaught tha tEvolution was Science, when it
>couldn't be tested scientifically...and still can't be.

You seem to know a lot about someone whose work you are
afraid of.

>Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes
>especially the one about creation. They do an excellent job of showing
>creation for the Bullshit it is. You never did thank me for showing
>you how you can watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
>Attenborough without needing a TV. The important thing is you are
>enjoying them and discovering how absurd creation is. That is thanks
>enough although I would like to hear your thoughts about the programs.

I didn't thank you because I was not aware you had done those
things for me.

>If you want to use common vulgarisms, that is your choice,

Bullshit is the name of the series by Penn and Teller.
They call it Bullshit because they reveal the nonsense
in such things as creationism.
You are in no position to comment if you don't follow
my advice.

>I would prefer the scientific evidence, and am of the opinion that you
>do not have any such evidence.

You hide from real evidence like a cowering lying rat.

>Knighthoods can come fairly easily...and may not always be for true
>scientific evidence, only the ability of those promoting the programs.

You should bow your head in reverence when you read the name
David Attenborough as he is far outside your league.

>One thing Evolutionists have not yet proved ...and that is how did
>life on this planet originate....discount God...and you have
>'Nobody'....???
>and I am still to see 'Nobody' do anything.

Nobody knows. However it is reasonable to assume there was
not always life so early simple life must have come from non-life.
If life only ever came from life no life could exist.

>Barry, the truth is evolutionary-Atheists have lost...and lost miserably!!!

Gladys, the real truth is creationists have lost....their minds.
Your name is already down for your trip to hell so you may
as well give up.

See what happens when you mess around with the attributes?
What did it achieve? When you stop messing around we can
go back to having a proper discussion.

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.

How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.

You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.

gladys swager

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:

Barry, 'Goo-to-us' - evolution did not happen, could not have happened.

creation.com/education-questions-and-answers

Barry OGrady

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On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:13:41 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>
>Barry, 'Goo-to-us' - evolution did not happen, could not have happened.

Gladys is poking her tongue and saying nyaaa nya nya na nya nya
while rocking in her rocking chair chanting her cult's mantra.

You think messing around with the attributions is a valid debating
tool and you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

Barry OGrady

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May 22, 2013, 8:19:09 PM5/22/13
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gladys swager

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May 22, 2013, 8:35:30 PM5/22/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
> >Barry, 'Goo-to-us' - evolution did not happen, could not have happened.

barry. Nonsense should not be posted in this newsgroup.

Barry OGrady

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May 22, 2013, 11:22:19 PM5/22/13
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So you won't be posting here again?

This is aus.religion.christian and Christianity IS nonsense.

gladys swager

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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:22:19 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote: > On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:35:30 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager wrote: >On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: >On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote: >> >Barry, 'Goo-to-us' - evolution did not happen, could not have happened. > >barry. Nonsense should not be posted in this newsgroup. So you won't be posting here again? This is aus.religion.christian and Christianity IS nonsense. On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:59:12 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager wrote: >On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: >> On Mon, 20 May 2013, gladys swager wrote: >>On Monday, May 20, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: So we both wrote the same things? >> >Barry, All the living things in the world today...had a beginning sometime in the past ages. Yhey live, they reproduce (generally), they die. > >You have let God down badly by failing to reproduce. You don't know that. >No heaven for you(EXCLAMATION POINT) No heaven for anyone. >You are a man who thinks he is omniscient, > (look up your dictionary if you don't know the meaning) You are too stupid to know that you are too stupid to know. >The first plants and animals could not have come from other plants and >animals becuse there were no plants and animals before the first >plants and animals. That is just plain logic. Logic is not your friend. >So nothing exists(QUESTION MARK) Why do you say that? >>So how did the first plants and animals - including humans - >come to be on this planet? >>Evolutionists either ignore that very important issue or push it back into >millions of years where it is not scientifically determinalble..but they still >call it science. I did not write that. Stop lying. >First life is not part of evolution(FULL STOP) I agree. >Why isn't it....You say waht happened **8after first life....why not before??? Why did you say 'First life is not part of evolution(FULL STOP)' >>Today's world population supports creation six thousand years ago. I did not write that. Stop lying. >How do you fit 400 million years of trilobites into six thousand years(QUESTION MARK) I don't try. >It is 400 millions years now? You said it was. >keep going and you'll be sstating that everything is eternal - ie >always existed. Have you dound all the bones yet? I am still working on dounding the bones. >>Aspects of the physiology of the world supports the flood in the time of Noah. > >> Except that the Grand Canyon could not have been made in a short time(FULL STOP) > >You may not have ever been in flood conditions to realise the power of >volumes of rushing water. I have witnessed one such flood on our farm. >A 44-gallon drum of petrol was lifted by the flood waters and taken a >few properties away, to be retrieved later when the flood waters were >dispersed. >And there have been many worse floods in many parts of the world than >that one on our property. Do you have a point? >>The geology of the world supports Genesis 1 : 10 and Continental Drift - >>a subject in at least one High School science text, (I have on my bookshelf). I did not write that. Stop lying. >Is continental drift in the bible(QUESTION MARK) I don't know. Is it? >However, from observations, even lines of fossils from one continent >to the nearest one physically gives an indication that the continents >formed one land mass originally. > >Genesis 1 : 9 also indicates there could have been one land mass. >And God said,"Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together >unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Is continental drift in the bible? >>But the Evolutionists who took over our school system through information >given in Teacher's Training Colleges from the early post-WW-2 years do not >> allow the students to know any of that information.... >>or they are ignorant of it themselves. I did not write that. Stop lying. >I would like to have more information about that but you refuse to elabarate(FULL STOP) What should I elaborate on? >Not a refusal to elaborate....it is a relatively recent known phenomenon >of the earth's surface... How are early post-WW-2 years a relatively recent known phenomenon of the earth's surface? >>I can understand that Atheists even before the end of WW-2 - in which >>what would once have been known as Christian Europe had been engulfed >>in war- determined that they would impose their ideas. I did not write that. Stop lying. >But can you explain it to me(QUESTION MARK) I was hoping you would explain it to me. >>Christians as highly trained have called for a reappraisal of those >> determinations. I did not write that. Stop lying. >Trained by God(QUESTION MARK) That's what I would like to know. >>Surely the determinations of the Secularisers/Atheists should be balanced by the determinations of the equally trained, (scientifically), Christian- Creationist Scientists so that an assessment can be made of the greater plausibility of one group over the other group. I did not write that. Stop lying. >No, because the two are completely separate areas(FULL STOP) In what way? >To you, No, because you do not want the truth to be told - one way or the other - you just want indoctrinations of what you have accepted. Why did you say the two are completely separate areas? >>Setting up a monopology on information, as the Secularisers did after >>WW-2 should now be investigated, and the arguments of Scientists on >>both sides of this issue be thoroughly assessed against the evidence >>that is now available. I did not write that. Stop lying. >I'd like to investigate and you can help by giving me more >information, such as where I can look. I am the one needing more information. >Of course there are not two >sides as creation and evolution are completely different fields and >thus not comparable. I agree with you there! >You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions. I usually do. >How are you going with the David Attenborough programs on youtube via >the link I had made for you? You can't help but be impressed with the >standard of the programs. They are both entertaining and educational. I agree about the standard of the programs but I was not aware of you making any links for me. >He is making quite an amount of money out of his >presentation...possibly laughing all the way to the bank. He has a >captive audience such as yourself who evidently was indoctrinated in >the school system tah ttaught tha tEvolution was Science, when it >couldn't be tested scientifically...and still can't be. You seem to know a lot about someone whose work you are afraid of. >Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes >especially the one about creation. They do an excellent job of showing >creation for the Bullshit it is. You never did thank me for showing >you how you can watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David >Attenborough without needing a TV. The important thing is you are >enjoying them and discovering how absurd creation is. That is thanks >enough although I would like to hear your thoughts about the programs. I didn't thank you because I was not aware you had done those things for me. >If you want to use common vulgarisms, that is your choice, Bullshit is the name of the series by Penn and Teller. They call it Bullshit because they reveal the nonsense in such things as creationism. You are in no position to comment if you don't follow my advice. >I would prefer the scientific evidence, and am of the opinion that you >do not have any such evidence. You hide from real evidence like a cowering lying rat. >Knighthoods can come fairly easily...and may not always be for true >scientific evidence, only the ability of those promoting the programs. You should bow your head in reverence when you read the name David Attenborough as he is far outside your league. >One thing Evolutionists have not yet proved ...and that is how did >life on this planet originate....discount God...and you have >'Nobody'....??? >and I am still to see 'Nobody' do anything. Nobody knows. However it is reasonable to assume there was not always life so early simple life must have come from non-life. If life only ever came from life no life could exist. >Barry, the truth is evolutionary-Atheists have lost...and lost miserably!!! Gladys, the real truth is creationists have lost....their minds. Your name is already down for your trip to hell so you may as well give up. See what happens when you mess around with the attributes? What did it achieve? When you stop messing around we can go back to having a proper discussion. You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions. If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk to Google support. I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it. I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest, such as copy and paste which would allow you to have error free links. How are you going with the David Attenborough programs on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They are both entertaining and educational. Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes especially the one about creation. They do an excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is. You never did thank me for showing you how you can watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David Attenborough without needing a TV. The important thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how absurd creation is. That is thanks enough although I would like to hear your thoughts about the programs. ============== This sig intentionally left blank

Barry OGrady

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May 23, 2013, 12:42:24 AM5/23/13
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Enough is enough Gladys. Do you really expect me to make sense of
that shambles?

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.

Barry OGrady

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May 23, 2013, 2:29:14 AM5/23/13
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OOYLEDKDh0&list=PL6sbAVwF1Gm_HuNNQ3xKrsYsm3B2BfS-w

CrystalEye
Uploaded on 17 Mar 2011
No copyright infringement intended.
It's just nice to have a little comedy in the debunking of creationism
Remember that this episode is from 2003, so before the Dover trials,
the inclusion of intelligent design into the school systems in
Louisiana,
etc. ID was defeated in kitzmiller vs dover colorado.
ID cannot be taught in schools.

gladys swager

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May 23, 2013, 2:42:58 AM5/23/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

Barry, I gave you the prevous posting to you to indicate what someone has been doing to my postings.

creation.com/big-eye-brain-less-neandertal-nonsense

Barry OGrady

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May 23, 2013, 3:00:34 AM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>Barry, I gave you the prevous posting to you to indicate what someone has been doing to my postings.

Don't you think you should take responsability by at least
contacting Google Support for help?


>creation.com/big-eye-brain-less-neandertal-nonsense

Someone has been adding links to Creation Ministries Irrational.

gladys swager

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May 29, 2013, 10:37:18 PM5/29/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:00:34 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Thursday, May 23, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote: > >Barry, I gave you the prevous posting to you to indicate what someone has been doing to my postings. Don't you think you should take responsability by at least contacting Google Support for help?

>creation.com/big-eye-brain-less-neandertal-nonsense

>Creation Ministries International

Barry OGrady

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On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:37:18 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Barry, I gave you the prevous posting to you to indicate
>what someone has been doing to my postings. Don't you think
>you should take responsability by at least contacting Google
>Support for help?

Why should I act on your behalf? Do I have your permission
to do that? Is there some reason you can't take responsibility?

Do you want me to contact Google support on your behalf?

==============
�A being so powerful and so
full of knowledge as a God who could create the universe, is to our
finite minds omnipotent and omniscient, and it revolts our
understanding to suppose that his benevolence is not unbounded, for
what advantage can there be in the sufferings of millions of the lower
animals throughout almost endless time?�
Charles Darwin
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