Gladys is slack as (wo)men call very slack
Barry OGrady
gs@bigpond
> She is not replying to my posts.
Barry, you are not doing as I have told you in my postings.
Nothing that is relevant is being added by you in subsequent
postings.
Go back, and reread what I have told you previously.
Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
Gladys Swager
Barry
You are not doing as I have told you.
I have genuine questions which you won't answer.
You just repeat the same nonsense over and over.
For how long has God always existed and where did God get his
ideas from?
What do you think of Genesis 3:15 - 16?
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy
seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his
heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy
conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
[shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
It appears that God is saying he will cause those things.
Did God come from something?
Has God always been something?
Does God have abilities way above those of humans?
Does God get his knowledge from an outside source?
What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
If I understand you correctly, there is nothing we can do to
qualify for salvation but we must qualify for salvation be having
faith.
Did Chrsit bring universal joy?
Christ said he came not to bring peace but a sword.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 29, 12:04 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
>
And you are disobeying Jesus when you will not put your faith in Him.
>
> What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
>
Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> > >Reread what I have told you previously.
> > >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
***Saviour***
> The problems came because Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
> And you are disobeying Jesus when you will not put your faith in Him.
>
And poblems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
Christian's
ongoing life.
And if you had been Adam, it may have been that you may have sinned
even
quicker that he did, Barry, as I have posted to you before.
God did not make humans sinners, Write that out 100 times,
> God did not make humans sinners - reasons have been given (full-stop)
in previous postings.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Dec 29, 12:04 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>> >Reread what I have told you previously.
>> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> It appears that God is saying he will cause those things.
>>
>The problems came because Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
God says "I will". Doesn't that mean God is saying he will?
Colossians 1:16 says
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by
him, and for him:
Doesn't that make God responsible for everything?
Why would God need to test something he created?
Having failed the test wouldn't it behove God to make any required
changes so it would not happen again?
Do you think Adam would have "disobeyed" if God had given him all
the required information?
Would you expect Adam to take God seriously after God had cared for
him?
If your parents had cared for you lovingly would you expect them to
suddenly turn on you?
>And you are disobeying Jesus when you will not put your faith in Him.
No. I am disobeying the priests who wanted power they did not warrant.
Your tormentors are long gone yet they still interfere with your life.
>> What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
>>
>God did not make humans sinners
Why do you deny God's power and authority?
Bible says God made everything, and bible says that all have sinned.
Only God has the power to make us all sinner.
Obviously we didn't do it ourselves.
>- reasons have been given (full-stop)
Why did you write (full-stop) instead of using a .?
Are you going to answer my questions?
Should I post them again?
>Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Dec 29, 5:30 pm, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
>> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>>
>> > >Reread what I have told you previously.
>> > >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
>our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
>who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
>***Saviour***
What did she need saving from?
Is God incapable of saving us from himself without the fake murder
of his son?
>> The problems came because Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
God let them, and us down big time.
>> And you are disobeying Jesus when you will not put your faith in Him.
>>
>And poblems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
>those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
>made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
>necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
>Christian's ongoing life.
Is God unable to prevent that?
>And if you had been Adam, it may have been that you may have sinned
>even quicker that he did, Barry, as I have posted to you before.
>God did not make humans sinners, Write that out 100 times,
Do you find endless repetition convinces people?
>> God did not make humans sinners - reasons have been given (full-stop)
>in previous postings.
You deny the power of God and the bible.
I would rather believe the bible than you.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
> >God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
> >our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
> >who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
> >***Saviour***
>
> What did she need saving from?
> Is God incapable of saving us from himself without the fake murder
> of his son?
>
Why do you continue to blame God?
It seems to me that you want to lie on your banana lounge and
expect God to scratch your tummy, while providing cool drinks
of the variety favoured by you.
>
> God let them (Adam and Eve), and us down big time.
>
Humans let God down big time, using your phraseology.
You are compulsive in your thinking - a compulsion that is your
defence
to prevent you from making a committment to Jesus Christ.
However, as the leaders within Christianity want you to participate
in their programmes it means a committment in time, Not only that,
as Christianity, as a formal expression of faith,
has become so diversified it may be difficult for you to determine
which groups are true to the basic concepts contained
in the New Testament teachings.
I have just wakened with the thought going through my mind
that, in respect of the Christian faith there are two types of
knowledge
- one is head knowledge, the facts as given in the New Testament
and some aspects of the Old Testament in the prophecies about
the coming of the Messiah.
- the other is heart knowledge - to 'love the Lord your God with all
your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and greatest comandment;
and the second is like unto it. "You shall love your neighbour as
yourself'
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22 : 40.
Barry, I did not grow up in a home in which there was much discussion
about the Chrsitian faith. My Dutch grandfather, I was told later in
my life,
used to argue with the local R.Catholic priests of Italian and Irish
teachings
(Dutch catholicism was more like Anglicanism)
who did come to our home before my grandmother died of cancer (I was
at
pre-school age then so did not understand). I attended at a Protestant
Sunday
School from age three years (1932) as a neighbour, a member of that
church
asked my mother if she could take me when she went as she taught
older
pupils.
I am recalling some of my experiences. Although I had to learn a
verse
of scripture given to me on a text (small card with illustration) I
did not remember
once repeated to the teacher. I was thought to be very knowledgeable
Biblically
as from 1937 to 1943 I gained Honours certificate in Sunday School
examinations
by simply rote learning the required Bible passages. No one realised
that I was
suffering from Amnesia, and that once the examination was done I did
not remember it or the information I had learnt. The certificates I
have found in
more recent years as I checked through a cabinet in which they had
been placed.
That was all head knowledge and is still in my brain so that as I am
posting
words of verses will come into my mind and I need Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible or I checked the words by entering them in
Search
and then following through on a number of Internet websites.
Perhaps you may gain something from what I have just told you that
will
help you.
I am not sure whether you are searching for Christian truth or
whether you are just being contentious.
One thing I am sure of and that is I am not convincing you.
Perhaps what I have typed above will give you some ideas for your own
search through the Internet that can give you both sides of issues
and in time you will come to understand better than you are at
present.
I have a print-out on the wall by my computer,
"Guide me O Thou Great Jehovah" which I often pray, because there are
times
when I know that I am 'in water over my head' as I post in these
newsgroups.
It does help my neurological activity and I trust, that, in time, what
I post
will be of help to others including yourself.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Dec 29, 10:03 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
>Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>> >God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
>> >our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
>> >who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
>> >***Saviour***
>>
>> What did she need saving from?
>> Is God incapable of saving us from himself without the fake murder
>> of his son?
>>
>Why do you continue to blame God?
Colossians 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by
him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is
impossible; but with God all things are possible.
>It seems to me that you want to lie on your banana lounge and
>expect God to scratch your tummy, while providing cool drinks
>of the variety favoured by you.
Is that not one of the 'all things' that God could do?
>> God let them (Adam and Eve), and us down big time.
>>
>Humans let God down big time, using your phraseology.
When you put it like that it sounds like we are somehow to blame,
but of course as creations we can only be the way God made us
so its fair to say God let us all down.
>I have just wakened with the thought going through my mind
>that, in respect of the Christian faith there are two types of
>knowledge
>- one is head knowledge, the facts as given in the New Testament
>and some aspects of the Old Testament in the prophecies about
>the coming of the Messiah.
>- the other is heart knowledge - to 'love the Lord your God with all
>your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
You are leaving out the one that counts, actual knowledge, unless
your Christianity is a role playing game to you.
>This is the first and greatest comandment;
>and the second is like unto it. "You shall love your neighbour as
>yourself'
>On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
> Matthew 22 : 40.
Do you believe love can be commanded?
Do you think you would need to be commanded to love if everybody
was loveable?
I use a computer KJV program that lets me search for words and
phrases then paste the text, however there are many resources
on the web.
>I am not sure whether you are searching for Christian truth or
>whether you are just being contentious.
How does Christian truth differ from actual truth?
>One thing I am sure of and that is I am not convincing you.
Don't blame yourself. You have nothing to work with.
>Perhaps what I have typed above will give you some ideas for your own
>search through the Internet that can give you both sides of issues
>and in time you will come to understand better than you are at
>present.
Talking with you is an education. When you don't answer my questions
I know it is because you believe I am right.
>I have a print-out on the wall by my computer,
>"Guide me O Thou Great Jehovah" which I often pray, because there are
>times when I know that I am 'in water over my head' as I post in these
>newsgroups. It does help my neurological activity and I trust, that, in time,
>what I post will be of help to others including yourself.
Here you admit you are a slave to your brain which you believe God
designed and created yet you do not hold God responsible for your
way of thinking.
>Gladys Swager
duke
>On Dec 29, 5:30 pm, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
>> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>>
>> > >Reread what I have told you previously.
>> > >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
>our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
>who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
>***Saviour***
Will you jump off a tall building in trust?
You do know, of course, that you must walk as he did to be in union with him.
Lip service doesn't cut it. Deeds, gladys, deeds
>> The problems came because Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
>> And you are disobeying Jesus when you will not put your faith in Him.
>And poblems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
>those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
>made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
>necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
>Christian's ongoing life.
And so you cannot show these changes. Would you be thinking of using seats and
candles in church, gladys?
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 29, 5:30 pm, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >> On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> >> > >Reread what I have told you previously.
> >> > >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
> >our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
> >who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
> >***Saviour***
>
> Will you jump off a tall building in trust?
>
> You do know, of course, that you must walk as he did to be in union with him.
> Lip service doesn't cut it. Deeds, gladys, deeds
>
And in all organisations tha tI have been involved in I had to enrol
first
ie signify taht I wnated to be a member of those organisations.
That is what Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9 But you understandings of Martin
Luther
as so warped tha tyou reject 'out-of-hand' the truth that he realised
was in those verses. 'Sola scptura', the R.Catholic Church leaders do
everything
they can to dismiss that verse. Their position of power and their
livelihoods
depend on discrediting Martin Luther because he showed them that they
had added
teachings contrary to the New Testament..
> >And problems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
> >those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
> >made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
> >necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
> >Christian's ongoing life.
>
> And so you cannot show these changes.
> Would you be thinking of using seats and candles in church, gladys?
I don't know when seating was installed in churches. They have nothing
to do
with the teachings given,
I have read somewhere that the candles represent Jesus and Mary and
are placed
on opposite sides of the altar.
I would guess that the communion table is called an altar because
it is taught that Jesus comes into the bread and wine to be eaten and
drunk
by the communicants. - an idea given in some websites and was decreed
in 1215,
That prompted the work of John Wycliffe in England in the late
1300's,
He is now known as the Morning Star of the Reformation as his
translation of
the Bible into the English language and his encouragement for the
training of
peasant preachers (Lollards) promoted also the agitation for change
of
non-Biblical R.Catholic teachings on the continent that led to the
Protestant
Reformation.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
Gladys is just following in her father's footprints as (s)he has
admitted that he was ant--RCC.
Forgive her Duke for (s)he really does not know what (s)he is saying.
>The dukester, American-American
>*****
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 duke wrote:
> >On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >>God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
> >>our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
> >>who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
> >>***Saviour***
>
> >>And problems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
> >>those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
> >>made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
> >>necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
> >>Christian's ongoing life.
>
> Gladys is just following in her father's footprints as (s)he has
> admitted that he was anti--RCC.
> Forgive her Duke for (s)he really does not know what (s)he is saying.
>
And wouldn't you be if a Brother had wrongfully caned you, without
finding the truth of a school situation?
You are not my judge. I do know what I am posting in this newsgroup.
The R.Catholic leaders don't want people to know that additions have
been
made to the scriptures and that they are on a programme to trick
Protestants into their ecumenical movement.
>
The leaders of the R,Catholic Church would not join the World Council
of
Churches, (begun in 1948)
They sent an observer/observers instead. My guess is that was
intended to spy out what was happening at the WCC meeings to enable
them to make their own response to Christians uniting, but only under
on their terms under the Vatican. hence the World Youth Days
with children from the schools parading through city streets
(after much tutoring in their living quarters for the week.)
Also the beatifying of more persons than the total for all
the preceding centuries by John Paul II and Benedict XVI - even going
back
to the Fourteenth century and through many world countries,
(information
from an official website) to gain more media highlighting.
And from the Vatican's richest bank in the world (from another
website)
there is plenty of money for their advertising campaigns!!.
Gladys Swager
Theo Bekkers
"gs@bigpond" <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
> On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
>> What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
>>
> God did not make humans sinners - reasons have been given (full-stop)
Then how did humans become sinners Gladys.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
"gs@bigpond" <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
> It seems to me that you want to lie on your banana lounge and
> expect God to scratch your tummy, while providing cool drinks
> of the variety favoured by you.
Sound good but, instead of God, can I have Mary Magdalene rub my tummy
please.
Theo
gs@bigpond
> "gs@bigpond" wrote
> > On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
> >> What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
>
> > God did not make humans sinners - reasons have been given (full-stop)
>
> Then how did humans become sinners Gladys.
>
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
Bible says God made humans sinners.
I thought you knew your bible Gladys.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 12:29 pm, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
> >> "gs@bigpond" wrote
> >> > On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
> >> >> What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
>
> >> > God did not make humans sinners - reasons have been given (full-stop)
>
> >> Then how did humans become sinners Gladys.
>
> >I thought you knew your Bible, Theo.
>
> Bible says God made humans sinners.
> I thought you knew your bible Gladys.
>
You seem to have a compulsive urge to repeat untruths
about the Bible.
Read Genesis . Chapters 1 to 3,
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Dec 30, 8:55 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Dec 30, 12:29 pm, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>> >> "gs@bigpond" wrote
>> >> > On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
>> >> >> What merit do you see in God making us sinners?
>>
>> >> > God did not make humans sinners - reasons have been given (full-stop)
>>
>> >> Then how did humans become sinners Gladys.
>>
>> >I thought you knew your Bible, Theo.
>>
>> Bible says God made humans sinners.
>> I thought you knew your bible Gladys.
>>
>And I can see, Barry, you do not know your Bible.
It must bug you that anyone can now read the bible.
>You seem to have a compulsive urge to repeat untruths
>about the Bible.
Always when you have no answers you attack the person.
>Read Genesis . Chapters 1 to 3,
>http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
There is no mention of sin in Gen 1 to 3.
However;
Colossians 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by
him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is
impossible; but with God all things are possible.
so only God could have made us sinners.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 8:55 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> Bible says God made humans sinners.
> >> I thought you knew your bible Gladys.
>
> >And I can see, Barry, you do not know your Bible.
>
> It must bug you that anyone can now read the bible.
>
Such a tthought has never enetered my brain.
What made you think that?
> >You seem to have a compulsive urge to repeat untruths
> >about the Bible.
>
> Always when you have no answers you attack the person.
>
I am not attacking you. I am simply saying something that is true.
> >Read Genesis . Chapters 1 to 3,
> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>
> There is no mention of sin in Gen 1 to 3.
>
The word 'sin' describes an action.
If the word 'sin' has not be used it is intended all the same
Stop going through the Bible with a fine tooth comb trying
to convince youself that you know better.
> However;
> Colossians 1:16-17
> For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
> in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
> dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by
> him, and for him:
> And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
> Matthew 19:26
> But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is
> impossible; but with God all things are possible.
>
> so only God could have made us sinners.
>
You take verses out of context and then puff out your chest
saying 'Look what I have found'
You do not want a conversation
you only want your own misguided information.
And it goes on infinitum.
Was your Secondary schooling sometime after 1963 when
all students had to learn evolution in Science and you became
convinced
that the amazing sights in nature, mountains, rivers, glaciers
the complexities of living biological systems, the amazing eyes
all made themselves ,,,,initially out of nothing!!!!??? ....
and then just evolved all by themselves 'up the tree of life'.
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3056/
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Dec 31, 9:05 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Dec 30, 8:55 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> >> Bible says God made humans sinners.
>> >> I thought you knew your bible Gladys.
>>
>> >And I can see, Barry, you do not know your Bible.
>>
>> It must bug you that anyone can now read the bible.
>>
>Such a tthought has never enetered my brain.
>What made you think that?
It seems you want to decide what people should see and believe about
the bible rather than letting people see for themselves.
>> >You seem to have a compulsive urge to repeat untruths
>> >about the Bible.
>>
>> Always when you have no answers you attack the person.
>>
>I am not attacking you. I am simply saying something that is true.
>> >Read Genesis . Chapters 1 to 3,
>> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>>
>> There is no mention of sin in Gen 1 to 3.
>>
>The word 'sin' describes an action.
>If the word 'sin' has not be used it is intended all the same
>Stop going through the Bible with a fine tooth comb trying
>to convince youself that you know better.
If sin was not created by God then how did it come to be?
>> However;
>> Colossians 1:16-17
>> For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are
>> in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
>> dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by
>> him, and for him:
>> And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
>> Matthew 19:26
>> But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is
>> impossible; but with God all things are possible.
>>
>> so only God could have made us sinners.
>>
>You take verses out of context and then puff out your chest
>saying 'Look what I have found'
>You do not want a conversation
>you only want your own misguided information.
>And it goes on infinitum.
Why don't you tell me where you think I am wrong?
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
Isaiah 1:18
Come now Gladys, let us reason together.
>Was your Secondary schooling sometime after 1963 when
>all students had to learn evolution in Science and you became
>convinced
>that the amazing sights in nature, mountains, rivers, glaciers
>the complexities of living biological systems, the amazing eyes
>all made themselves ,,,,initially out of nothing!!!!??? ....
>and then just evolved all by themselves 'up the tree of life'.
I don't recall anything like that.
If you want details of evolution I suggest you ask Theo or someone
else with the knowledge.
All I can say is that our situation in life makes sense if we are a
product of evolution but do not make any sense if we are a product
of an almighty intelligent loving being.
>http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3056/
The articles I read all assume the bible is beyond question.
Its all we know God is this because it says so in bible passage.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 31, 9:05 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
God made humans perfect and with the ability to make choices,
They became sinners when they deliberately, of their own choice,
disobeyed the known command of God. .
>
Seeing and hearing what others think, can help us in our own thinking
>
> >> Always when you have no answers you attack the person.
>
> >I am not attacking you. I am simply saying something that is true.
> >> >Read Genesis . Chapters 1 to 3,
> >> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>
> >You take verses out of context and then puff out your chest
> >saying 'Look what I have found'
> >You do not want a conversation
> >you only want your own misguided information.
> >And it goes on infinitum.
>
> Why don't you tell me where you think I am wrong?
> Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
> Isaiah 1:18
>
You don't want reasoning. You only want to repeat your own slogans.
> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3056/
>
Gladys Swager
Theo Bekkers
"gs@bigpond" <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
But you said man was made perfect. How could he then fail?
Theo
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 1, 10:13 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Dec 31, 9:05 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>God made humans perfect and with the ability to make choices,
>They became sinners when they deliberately, of their own choice,
>disobeyed the known command of God. .
Therefore they were not perfect.
duke
wrote:
>On Dec 30, 10:27 am, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Dec 29, 5:30 pm, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >> On Dec 29, 5:02 pm, Barry wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 , "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>>
>> >> > >Reread what I have told you previously.
>> >> > >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> >God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
>> >our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
>> >who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
>> >***Saviour***
>> Will you jump off a tall building in trust?
>A stupid comment!
Her having any clue that Jesus had already removed her sin form her soul is
really a stupid comment.
>> And so you cannot show these changes.
>> Would you be thinking of using seats and candles in church, gladys?
>I don't know when seating was installed in churches. They have nothing
>to do with the teachings given,
There wasn't any seats in the first churches. LIke candles that you call a
heresy, so are seats.
>I have read somewhere that the candles represent Jesus and Mary and
>are placed on opposite sides of the altar.
Too bad you don't recall reading how I corrected you so much on that one.
duke
wrote:
>On Dec 30, 11:18�am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 duke wrote:
>> >On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
>Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> >>God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
>> >>our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
>> >>who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
>> >>***Saviour***
>>
>> >>And problems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
>> >>those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
>> >>made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
>> >>necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
>> >>Christian's ongoing life.
>>
>> Gladys is just following in her father's footprints as (s)he has
>> admitted that he was anti--RCC.
>> Forgive her Duke for (s)he really does not know what (s)he is saying.
I already know that.
>You are not my judge. I do know what I am posting in this newsgroup.
>The R.Catholic leaders don't want people to know that additions have
>been made to the scriptures and that they are on a programme to trick
>Protestants into their ecumenical movement.
Protest_ors are so easy. They'll bite on anything.
>Also the beatifying of more persons than the total for all
>the preceding centuries by John Paul II and Benedict XVI - even going
>back to the Fourteenth century and through many world countries,
The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 11:18 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 duke wrote:
> >> >On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >> >>God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
> >> >>our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
> >> >>who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
> >> >>***Saviour***
>
> >> >>And problems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
> >> >>those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
> >> >>made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
> >> >>necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
> >> >>Christian's ongoing life.
>
> >The R.Catholic leaders don't want people to know that additions have
> >been made to the scriptures and that they are on a programme to trick
> >Protestants into their ecumenical movement.
>
> >the preceding centuries by John Paul II and Benedict XVI - even going
> >back to the Fourteenth century and through many world countries,
>
> The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
>
Church.
All Christians are saints.
Hageos, the word translated 'saints in the Douay-Rheims (1610)
and Jerusalem Bible (1965) was changed to God's holy people
in the New Jerusalem Bible (1985). Anyone with a brain able to think
would judge the change was to stop criticism when the canonisations
of
all the saints-in-waiting were made at future times - over 1500 of
them,
(from one official website of the R.Catholic Church -
more that at any other time in History.
The Vatican is well aware of the benefits of media coverage to
promote
its understandings.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 10:13 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Dec 31, 9:05 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>God made humans perfect and with the ability to make choices,
>They became sinners when they deliberately, of their own choice,
>disobeyed the known command of God. .
>>
>Seeing and hearing what others think, can help us in our own thinking
It can, but it your case you use it to reenforce your wrong ideas.
>> >> Always when you have no answers you attack the person.
>>
>> >I am not attacking you. I am simply saying something that is true.
>> >> >Read Genesis . Chapters 1 to 3,
>> >> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>>
>> >You take verses out of context and then puff out your chest
>> >saying 'Look what I have found'
>> >You do not want a conversation
>> >you only want your own misguided information.
>> >And it goes on infinitum.
>>
>> Why don't you tell me where you think I am wrong?
>> Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
>> Isaiah 1:18
>>
>You don't want reasoning. You only want to repeat your own slogans.
What would you think if god was to change the weather patterns so
that crops did not fail and people did not go hungary?
What if God made it so you did not have to deprive a cow of her calf
and the calf of the milk?
What if God made it so you did not need to fight to survive?
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
Isaiah 1:18
Come now Gladys, let us reason together.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 1, 10:13 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> >God made humans perfect and with the ability to make choices,
> >They became sinners when they deliberately, of their own choice,
> >disobeyed the known command of God. .
>
> >Seeing and hearing what others think, can help us in our own thinking
>
>
I have wrong ideas, according to you, because they are different from
yours.
But it could be that you are the one with the wrong ideas on some/most
issues.
>
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>
> >> >You take verses out of context and then puff out your chest
> >> >saying 'Look what I have found'
> >> >You do not want a conversation
> >> >you only want your own misguided information.
> >> >And it goes on infinitum.
>
> >> Why don't you tell me where you think I am wrong?
> >> Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
> >> Isaiah 1:18
I have done so, dare I say 'ad infinitum' but you still come back
with the same or similar issues. >
> >You don't want reasoning. You only want to repeat your own slogans.
>
> What would you think if God was to change the weather patterns so
> that crops did not fail and people did not go hungry?
I grew up on a farm. Yes, there were times of flood, heavy frosts, etc
when crops were damaged. But the weather patterns also gave us times
when the crops were abundant and we were able to sell produce
to local people and send to the markets.
> What if God made it so you did not have to deprive a cow of her calf
> and the calf of the milk?
Yes, we had cows and the cows had calves and there was milk for our
family
and sometimes milk for neighbours,
and milk for the calves and sometimes milk to mix in with the feed for
the fowls. ,
> What if God made it so you did not need to fight to survive?
>
I have never had to fight to survive. Have you? How many black eyes
did you give?
The world, or your part of it, can be experiencing problems because of
the selfishness
of the people. People can do a lot in making their part of the world a
better place
in which to live. What are you doing to bring that about?
Or is it that you are lying on your back on your banana lounge.
and.....???
>
Start to do some reasoning wuth your self, Barry,
All you do in these newsgroups is to waste the time of other posters.
But you seem to get 'some kind of kick' out of that. '
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
Have you ever convinced anyone with your endless unthinking
repetitions?
>> >You don't want reasoning. You only want to repeat your own slogans.
You didn't answer my questions. You are like a politician in that
regard. I will try again in the hope you will answer the actual
questions.
What would you think if God was to change the weather patterns so
that crops did not fail and people did not go hungry?
Note: So that crops never failed and never made people go hungry.
What if God made it so you did not have to deprive a cow of her calf
and the calf of the milk?
Note: Are you aware what is done to dairy cows?
What if God made it so you did not need to fight to survive?
Note: You know I don't mean hand to hand combat.
Come on Gladys, use some of that reason.
>The world, or your part of it, can be experiencing problems because of
>the selfishness of the people.
What if God made it so people were not selfish?
Note: Could God do that without making us robots?
>People can do a lot in making their part of the world a better place in
>which to live.
God could do a lot more a lot quicker.
>What are you doing to bring that about?
What is God doing to bring that about?
>Or is it that you are lying on your back on your banana lounge.
>and.....???
Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing,
or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be
awaked.
>Start to do some reasoning wuth your self, Barry,
Come Gladys, let us reason together.
>All you do in these newsgroups is to waste the time of other posters.
>But you seem to get 'some kind of kick' out of that. '
I do hope you will attempt to answer the actual questions I asked.
All you do in these newsgroups is to waste the time of other posters.
But you seem to get 'some kind of kick' out of that. '
As far as getting the details of evolution you should ask Theo or
some other knowledgeable person.
All I can say is that our situation makes sense if we are a product of
evolution but there is no way to fit it with an almighty loving
intelligent creator.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 2, 4:10 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
Barry, I am realising the truth in the statement that
'the male brain thinks differently to the female brain.'
Males have a compulsion to be right or if not, to seem to be right.
Males have to be in control, dominate by thought or by force.
Perhaps not all of you, but you seem to have those characteristics.
>
> >> >God made humans perfect and with the ability to make choices,
> >> >They became sinners when they deliberately, of their own choice,
> >> >disobeyed the known command of God. .
>
> >> >Seeing and hearing what others think, can help us in our own thinking
>
> >> It can, but in your case you use it to reenforce your wrong ideas.
>
> >I have wrong ideas, according to you, because they are different from
> >yours. But it could be that you are the one with the wrong ideas
> > on some/most issues.
>
> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>
> What would you think if God was to change the weather patterns so
> that crops did not fail and people did not go hungry?
> Note: So that crops never failed and never made people go hungry.
>
And what if people began to act in God's ways both towards God
and towards others.!
> What if God made it so you did not have to deprive a cow of her calf
> and the calf of the milk?
>
Never were the calves on our farm deprived of the cow's milk.
And on all well organised farms calves are not deprived of milk.
> What if God made it so you did not need to fight to survive?
> Note: You know I don't mean hand to hand combat.
>
And what if people co-operated more with each other, instead of some
wanting to dominate others by any means they can manage it??
>
> >The world, or your part of it, can be experiencing problems because of
> >the selfishness of the people.
>
> What if God made it so people were not selfish?
>
People can manage that themselves when they give a little thought to
the problem.
> Note: Could God do that without making us robots?
>
I do not consider myself a robet - although I must be coming close to
that
with your persistence in these newsgroups that you will not listen
to reasonable and responsible explanations.
> >People can do a lot in making their part of the world a better place in
> >which to live.
>
> God could do a lot more a lot quicker.
>
God is a spirit and God has left it for humans to do that as humans
messed up
His perfect world.
> >What are you doing to bring that about?
>
> What is God doing to bring that about?
>
Again, What are YOU doing to bring that about.
You are like the naughty boy in school who blames his problem
behaviours onto others.
"He did it, Miss!!!" - while trying to hide the evidence of his own
guilt behind his back.
I have a lot of experience with misbehaving boys.
> >Or is it that you are lying on your back on your banana lounge.
> >and.....???
>
> >All you do in these newsgroups is to waste the time of other posters.
> >But you seem to get 'some kind of kick' out of that. '
>
> As for getting the details of evolution you should ask Theo or
> some other knowledgeable person.
> All I can say is that our situation makes sense if we are a product of
> evolution but there is no way to fit it with an almighty loving
> intelligent creator.
>
Still won't accept that you can be the one who is wrong on some
matters.
If you are the age I think you may be some of your teachers may still
be living.
I would like to have their assessments of you when in their classes
and also of what they taught you.
OR
perhaps something happened in your young adult life to make you as you
are now,
OR ELSE!!! What!!!
Gladys Swager.
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 8:23 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 2, 4:10 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
>Barry, I am realising the truth in the statement that
>'the male brain thinks differently to the female brain.'
How does that fit in with free will?
Would God be responsible for the way our brains are?
>Males have a compulsion to be right or if not, to seem to be right.
>Males have to be in control, dominate by thought or by force.
>Perhaps not all of you, but you seem to have those characteristics.
Have you ever considered that you might be wrong?
Would you like your world view to dominate?
>> >> >God made humans perfect and with the ability to make choices,
>> >> >They became sinners when they deliberately, of their own choice,
>> >> >disobeyed the known command of God. .
>>
>> >> >Seeing and hearing what others think, can help us in our own thinking
>>
>> >> It can, but in your case you use it to reenforce your wrong ideas.
>>
>> >I have wrong ideas, according to you, because they are different from
>> >yours. But it could be that you are the one with the wrong ideas
>> > on some/most issues.
>>
>> >http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3003/
>>
>> What would you think if God was to change the weather patterns so
>> that crops did not fail and people did not go hungry?
>> Note: So that crops never failed and never made people go hungry.
>>
>And what if people began to act in God's ways both towards God
>and towards others.!
I thought people were acting in God's ways, but that doesn't answer
the question.
What would you think if God was to change the weather patterns so
that crops did not fail and people did not go hungry?
Note: So that crops never failed and never made people go hungry.
>> What if God made it so you did not have to deprive a cow of her calf
>> and the calf of the milk?
>>
>Never were the calves on our farm deprived of the cow's milk.
>And on all well organised farms calves are not deprived of milk.
Do you know what goes on at dairy farms?
What if God made it so you did not have to deprive a cow of her calf
and the calf of the milk?
>> What if God made it so you did not need to fight to survive?
>> Note: You know I don't mean hand to hand combat.
>>
>And what if people co-operated more with each other, instead of some
>wanting to dominate others by any means they can manage it??
What would you think if God made things that way?
>> >The world, or your part of it, can be experiencing problems because of
>> >the selfishness of the people.
>>
>> What if God made it so people were not selfish?
>>
>People can manage that themselves when they give a little thought to
>the problem.
What if God solved the problem?
>> Note: Could God do that without making us robots?
>>
>I do not consider myself a robet - although I must be coming close to
>that with your persistence in these newsgroups that you will not listen
>to reasonable and responsible explanations.
Could God help us without making us robots?
>> >People can do a lot in making their part of the world a better place in
>> >which to live.
>>
>> God could do a lot more a lot quicker.
>>
>God is a spirit and God has left it for humans to do that as humans
>messed up His perfect world.
We could not mess things up if God had not started the process at
the fall.
What if God was to fix the mess made by his creations?
>> >What are you doing to bring that about?
>>
>> What is God doing to bring that about?
>>
>Again, What are YOU doing to bring that about.
God is almighty.
We are not.
>You are like the naughty boy in school who blames his problem
>behaviours onto others.
>"He did it, Miss!!!" - while trying to hide the evidence of his own
>guilt behind his back.
>I have a lot of experience with misbehaving boys.
You tell me that God created us and that our brains determine the way
we think yet you want to blame us for our condition.
>> >Or is it that you are lying on your back on your banana lounge.
>> >and.....???
>>
>> >All you do in these newsgroups is to waste the time of other posters.
>> >But you seem to get 'some kind of kick' out of that. '
>>
>> As for getting the details of evolution you should ask Theo or
>> some other knowledgeable person.
>> All I can say is that our situation makes sense if we are a product of
>> evolution but there is no way to fit it with an almighty loving
>> intelligent creator.
>>
>Still won't accept that you can be the one who is wrong on some
>matters.
>If you are the age I think you may be some of your teachers may still
>be living.
>I would like to have their assessments of you when in their classes
>and also of what they taught you.
>OR
>perhaps something happened in your young adult life to make you as you
>are now,
>OR ELSE!!! What!!!
As for getting the details of evolution you should ask Theo or
some other knowledgeable person.
All I can say is that our situation makes sense if we are a product of
evolution but there is no way to fit it with an almighty loving
intelligent creator.
>Gladys Swager.
gs@bigpond
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >You are like the naughty boy in school who blames his problem
> >behaviours onto others.
> >"He did it, Miss!!!" - while trying to hide the evidence of his own
> >guilt behind his back.
> >I have a lot of experience with misbehaving boys.
>
> You tell me that God created us and that our brains determine the way
> we think yet you want to blame us for our condition.
>
You are to blame when there are things you can do to make living
better
for yourself and others and you don't do it.
Instead you just go on complaining.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
Is God to blame when there are things he can do to make living
excellent for all of us and doesn't do it?
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 11:18 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 duke wrote:
> >> >On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >> >>God will give us His salvation as a gift to us when we place
> >> >>our trust in Jesus, His only begotten Son, born of Mary
> >> >>who knew that she was a sinner as she rejoiced in God her
> >> >>***Saviour***
> >> >>And problems have occurred in the Christian faith as, first,
> >> >>those at the church in Rome and then others through the centuries
> >> >>made salvation as a belief + their teachings not in scripture as
> >> >>necessary for salvation, although in some instances part of the
> >> >>Christian's ongoing life.
>
> >been made to the scriptures and that they are on a programme to trick
> >Protestants into their ecumenical movement.
> >the preceding centuries by John Paul II and Benedict XVI - even going
> >back to the Fourteenth century and through many world countries,
>
> The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
>
Gladys Swager
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
You really don't believe in the Holy Spirit, do you?
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
But not saints in heaven. Most saints have to go thru purgatory to get to
heaven.
gs@bigpond
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
> >> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >> The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
>
It is very easy to attribute human decisions to the Holy Spirit,
when you have then\m carefully utored that the Pope does not make
errors and he is in direct communication with God through the Holy
Spirit.
Wha thappened to the cremation-heathen issue that was changed about
1965??
Did the then pope.say, "Sorry, God my predecessor got ot wrong?
and to those who relatives had been stated to be 'heathens'?.
> >It is quite evident that you justify actions by the leaders of the RC
> >Church.
> >All Christians are saints.
>
> But not saints in heaven. Most saints have to go thru purgatory to get to
> heaven.
There is no purgatory. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ.
Give me one reference in the Old and New Testaments that teaches
'purgatory'.
The R.Catholic Church earns a large amount of money through its
purgatory
idea. It can build beautiful cathedrals on moneys from poor persons
who are
made to believe that their relatives can be helped to gain eternal
life
at an earlier time. .
But we have been through all that before.
Gladys Swager
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 5, 9:06 am, duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
>
>> >> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> >> The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
>It is very easy to attribute human decisions to the Holy Spirit,
>when you have then\m carefully utored that the Pope does not make
>errors and he is in direct communication with God through the Holy
>Spirit.
The Holy Spirit does not tutor us on how to make a good glass of tea. The Holy
Spirit guides us in love regarding living life as God calls us to.
>Wha thappened to the cremation-heathen issue that was changed about
>1965??
>Did the then pope.say, "Sorry, God my predecessor got ot wrong?
>and to those who relatives had been stated to be 'heathens'?.
I really hate to say this to you, but I really think you're too stupid to
remember what I told you over and over and over.
>> >It is quite evident that you justify actions by the leaders of the RC
>> >Church.
>> >All Christians are saints.
>>
>> But not saints in heaven. Most saints have to go thru purgatory to get to
>> heaven.
>There is no purgatory. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ.
Not what scripture says. But it's your soul. Play devil's advocate with it all
you want.
>Give me one reference in the Old and New Testaments that teaches
>'purgatory'.
Many times before. Maybe you're just too challenged to recall. Sad.
>The R.Catholic Church earns a large amount of money through its
>purgatory idea.
Hardly. I know of no one that made a donation.
gs@bigpond
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 5, 9:06 am, duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >> >On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
>
Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >> >> The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
> >It is very easy to attribute human decisions to the Holy Spirit,
> >when you have them carefully tutored that the Pope does not make
> >errors and he is in direct communication with God through the Holy
> >Spirit.
>
> The Holy Spirit does not tutor us on how to make a good glass of tea.
I wouldn't expect that of the Holy Spirit today as that has become
common
knowledge.
But how did humans learn how to use the tea leaves centuries ago?
It was God who gave humans a thinking ability superior in many
aspects
to animals, although even they have their special thinking & intuitive
attributes.
The Holy Spirit guides us in love regarding living life as God calls
us to.
>
John 14 : 26
But the Comforter, Who is the Holy Ghost (Spirit) Whom the Father will
send
in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to
your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
> >What happened to the cremation-heathen issue that was changed about
> >1965??
> >Did the then pope.say, "Sorry God, my predecessor got it wrong?
> >to those who relatives had been stated to be 'heathens' from about 1870?.
>
> I really hate to say this to you, but I really think you're too stupid to
> remember what I told you over and over and over.
>
There is a lot of information going through these newsgroups.
You have not been prepared to accept what I have posted to
you, but I have not denigrated you as 'stupid' as you have denigrated
me.
I will admit that there are times when I do not remember past
postings,
but that is not evidence of stupidily, only evidence of
forgetfulness,
but you may not know that is from a physical condition and despite my
age
on a range of matters I am remembering better than I have done in the
past.
> >> >It is quite evident that you justify actions by the leaders of the RC
> >> >Church. All Christians are saints.
>
> >> But not saints in heaven. Most saints have to go thru purgatory to get to
> >> heaven.
> >There is no purgatory. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ.
>
> Not what scripture says. But it's your soul. Play devil's advocate with it all
> you want.
>
> >Give me one reference in the Old and New Testaments that teaches
> >'purgatory'.
>
The word 'purgatory' is not in my Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
of the Bible. Neither is the word 'indulgences'.
Are there other words used in the New Jerusalem Bible (1985) for
those concepts?? Is the New Jerusalem Bible the accepted Bible
translation of the present day R.Catholic Church? .
> >The R.Catholic Church earns a large amount of money through its
> >purgatory idea.
>
> Hardly. I know of no one that made a donation.
>
But you do not know 'everybody'. So your understanding can be flawed.
And the donation box for its members as they leave the church????
-Is it 'shades' of the indulgences' of Leo X and Tetzel in the early
1500's!!!???. .
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 6, 9:36�am, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 5, 9:06 am, duke wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >> >On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
>>
>Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> >> >> The Holy Spirit has been very active in his revelations lately.
>
>> >It is very easy to attribute human decisions to the Holy Spirit,
>> >when you have them carefully tutored that the Pope does not make
>> >errors and he is in direct communication with God through the Holy
>> >Spirit.
>>
>> The Holy Spirit does not tutor us on how to make a good glass of tea. �
>
>I wouldn't expect that of the Holy Spirit today as that has become
>common knowledge.
Not only that, but from what you told me God is incapable of doing
such a thing.
>But how did humans learn how to use the tea leaves centuries ago?
It can't have been from God. God can't even protect his own creations.
>It was God who gave humans a thinking ability superior in many aspects
>to animals, although even they have their special thinking & intuitive
>attributes.
Now you are blaming God for our way of thinking.
Can't you take responsibility for your own actions?
>The Holy Spirit guides us in love regarding living life as God calls
>us to.
How successful is the Holy Spirit?
I'm thinking the Holy Spirit would be able to have everybody living
life as God calls us to.
It would thus be fair to say that everybody is doing just what God
wants.
>John 14 : 26
>But the Comforter, Who is the Holy Ghost (Spirit) Whom the Father will
>send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to
>your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
So we all know all things?
>> >What happened to the cremation-heathen issue that was changed about
>> >1965??
>> >Did the then pope.say, "Sorry God, my predecessor got it wrong?
>> >to those who relatives had been stated to be 'heathens' from about 1870?.
>>
>> I really hate to say this to you, but I really think you're too stupid to
>> remember what I told you over and over and over.
>>
>There is a lot of information going through these newsgroups.
>You have not been prepared to accept what I have posted to
>you, but I have not denigrated you as 'stupid' as you have denigrated
>me.
You are not prepared to accept what has been posted to you.
>I will admit that there are times when I do not remember past
>postings,
>but that is not evidence of stupidily, only evidence of forgetfulness,
>but you may not know that is from a physical condition and despite my
>age on a range of matters I am remembering better than I have done in the
>past.
Any respect we may give you is unmerited because of your age, even
though it is not your choice. We should punish you for being old.
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> >But the Comforter, Who is the Holy Ghost (Spirit) Whom the Father will
> >send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to
> >your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
>
> though it is not your choice. We should punish you for being old.
>
consideration that you are not willing to give to another in older
years.
You have an 'Antii--what-another-has-posted-to-you' Syndrome, that
you
use on many occasions.
>
Gladys Swager
Barry
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 12:12�am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> >John 14 : 26
>> >But the Comforter, Who is the Holy Ghost (Spirit) Whom the Father will
>> >send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to
>> >your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
>>
>> Any respect we may give you is unmerited because of your age, even
>> though it is not your choice. We should punish you for being old.
>>
>One day you will be old, more than likely. I trust you will have the
>consideration that you are not willing to give to another in older
>years.
I suppose you think I should respect your age because you didn't
choose to be old and forgetful, yet you say we do not merit God's
grace because we are sinners which we didn't choose either.
>You have an 'Antii--what-another-has-posted-to-you' Syndrome, that
>you use on many occasions.
Don't you want me to follow God's example?
>Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 12:12 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>>
>> >John 14 : 26
>> >But the Comforter, Who is the Holy Ghost (Spirit) Whom the Father will
>> >send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to
>> >your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
>>
>> Any respect we may give you is unmerited because of your age, even
>> though it is not your choice. We should punish you for being old.
>>
>One day you will be old, more than likely. I trust you will have the
>consideration that you are not willing to give to another in older
>years.
I'd like God to consider all of us.
>You have an 'Antii--what-another-has-posted-to-you' Syndrome, that
>you use on many occasions.
You are projecting.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> >On Jan 5, 9:06 am, duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
.>I really hate to say this to you, but I really think you're too
stupid to
> remember what I told you over and over and over.
>
> >> >It is quite evident that you justify actions by the leaders of the RC
> >> >Church. All Christians are saints.
>
> >> But not saints in heaven. Most saints have to go thru purgatory to get to
> >> heaven.
> >There is no purgatory. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ.
>
> Not what scripture says. But it's your soul. Play devil's advocate with it all
> you want.
>
You have not read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9 or John 3 : 16
> >Give me one reference in the Old and New Testaments that teaches
> >'purgatory'.
>
> Many times before. Maybe you're just too challenged to recall. Sad.
>
Not to my satisfaction.
The term 'purgatory' is not written once in the KJV Bible.
I haven't checked the New Jerusalem Bible(1985). but that has
changed the meaning of 'hagios' from 'saints' to 'God's holy people'
evidently to allow the canonisation of the over 1500 persons beatified
by
John Paul II and Benedict XVI to be canonised in later years.
Good media publicity.
So I guess that those at the Vatican have done another revision of
word definitiions.
Popes claim they have special audiences with God, and that
privilege is only given to them. How are others to know that what they
say is true?
> >The R.Catholic Church earns a large amount of money through its
> >purgatory idea.
>
> Hardly. I know of no one that made a donation.
>
You cantact with others may be of a very small number,
When persons go the the church and ask prayers of the priest
surely it would be expected that a donation be placed in the box by
the door.
The intention of indulgences originally was to collect moneys to pay
for
the rebuilding of Pater's Bascilica. It was taught that as soon as the
coin
was dropped in the box the soul from Purgatory was released.
Or is it you are not aware of that?
Gladys Swager
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 6, 9:36 am, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 5, 9:06 am, duke wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >> >On Jan 2, 7:22 am, duke wrote:
>Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
I know what it says - repent of your sins, pick up your own cross daily and
follow Jesus in love and obedience to the Father. In addition, it tells us that
salvation is a life long endeavor, not a one time event, and those that wish to
meet God face to face better pay attention, and work out their salvation with
fear and trembling.
>> >Give me one reference in the Old and New Testaments that teaches
>> >'purgatory'.
>>
>The word 'purgatory' is not in my Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
>of the Bible. Neither is the word 'indulgences'.
>Are there other words used in the New Jerusalem Bible (1985) for
>those concepts?? Is the New Jerusalem Bible the accepted Bible
>translation of the present day R.Catholic Church? .
And "alone" is not in the kjv/
>> >The R.Catholic Church earns a large amount of money through its
>> >purgatory idea.
>> Hardly. I know of no one that made a donation.
>But you do not know 'everybody'.
Yet it's impossible that I wouldn't know so much as one person.
duke
wrote:
>> Many times before. Maybe you're just too challenged to recall. Sad.
>Not to my satisfaction.
Actually, not to your desire to remember.
>The term 'purgatory' is not written once in the KJV Bible.
But I guarantee the description of the event is. And you have to figure out how
to get from here to there, and you don't show any effort of understanding worthy
of cutting it.
Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)
8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Matthew 5:48 (King James Version)
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)
8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Revelation 21:27 (King James Version)
27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither
whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in
the Lamb's book of life.
>I haven't checked the New Jerusalem Bible(1985).
Doens't matter. Translation is translation. And no book in the NT bible is
canonized that is not in accordance with the teachings of the Lord. So if you
see it and don't like it and avoid it, satan is waiting to have a welcome
conference with you.
gs@bigpond
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 9:36 am, duke wrote:
> >> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>
> I know what it says - repent of your sins, pick up your own cross daily and
> follow Jesus in love and obedience to the Father. In addition, it tells us that
> salvation is a life long endeavor, not a one time event, and those that wish to
> meet God face to face better pay attention, and work out their salvation with
> fear and trembling.
>
If you can comprehend English you would know that Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
does not state waht you have posted above.
Saved through faith, by grace,
not of youreslf, not of works....***it is the gift of God***.
You have been taught incorrectly, Duke, and you are unwilling to admit
it.
We are saved through faith...not of works...
therefore we are saved through
faith ***alone***.
The word 'alone' is implied and it is not wrong to use it as
emphasis,
as Martin Luther did. .
However, I know tha tindoctrinations can 'die hard' - it can take
time
'for the penny to drop'.
Then 1 Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15 at the Judgement seat of Christ.
Some will be saved as by fire....but they will be saved.
> >> >Give me one reference in the Old and New Testaments that teaches
> >> >'purgatory'.>
> >The word 'purgatory' is not in my Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
> >of the Bible. Neither is the word 'indulgences'.
> >Are there other words used in the New Jerusalem Bible (1985) for
> >those concepts?? Is the New Jerusalem Bible the accepted Bible
> >translation of the present day R.Catholic Church? .
>
> And "alone" is not in the kjv.
I have explained that above.
But you are avoiding my questions above,
Where are the words 'purgatory' and 'indulgences'
in the New Jerusalem (1985) Bible.
As it is the latest R.Catholic Bible translation surely they have it
right now!!???
Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >The term 'purgatory' is not written once in the KJV Bible.
>
> But I guarantee the description of the event is. And you have to figure out how
> to get from here to there, and you don't show any effort of understanding worthy
> of cutting it.
>
I do not accept the R.Catholic way of accepting all that the leaders
have stated from early in the Chrsitian era, amd specifically from
the early fourth Century.
> Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)
> 8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
> Matthew 5:48 (King James Version)
> 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
> Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)
> 8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
> Revelation 21:27 (King James Version)
> 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither
> whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in
> the Lamb's book of life.
>
Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
Romans 4 : 2 - 8
For if Abraham were justified by works; he has whereof to glory;
but not before God.
For what says the scripture? Abraham believed God,
and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of
debt.
but to him who works not, but believes on Him that justifies the
ungodly,
his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man,
unto whom God imputes righteousness without works.
Saying, "Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord
will not impute sin.
Gladys Swager
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 9, 5:10 am, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 6, 9:36 am, duke wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
>> >Read Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>> I know what it says - repent of your sins, pick up your own cross daily and
>> follow Jesus in love and obedience to the Father. In addition, it tells us that
>> salvation is a life long endeavor, not a one time event, and those that wish to
>> meet God face to face better pay attention, and work out their salvation with
>> fear and trembling.
>If you can comprehend English you would know that Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>does not state waht you have posted above.
But I know how to read it with respect to all other things the Lord revealed.
And you don't.
>Saved through faith, by grace,
>not of youreslf, not of works....***it is the gift of God***.
>You have been taught incorrectly, Duke, and you are unwilling to admit
>it.
Your continued and unconfessed sins that you continue to embrace blocks grace,
gladys.
duke
wrote:
>On Jan 9, 5:19 am, duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
>> >The term 'purgatory' is not written once in the KJV Bible.
>>
>> But I guarantee the description of the event is. And you have to figure out how
>> to get from here to there, and you don't show any effort of understanding worthy
>> of cutting it.
>>
>I do not accept the R.Catholic way of accepting all that the leaders
>have stated from early in the Chrsitian era, amd specifically from
>the early fourth Century.
>> Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)
>> 8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
>> Matthew 5:48 (King James Version)
>> 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
>> Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)
>> 8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
>> Revelation 21:27 (King James Version)
>> 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither
>> whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in
>> the Lamb's book of life.
>Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
>Romans 4 : 2 - 8
And grace is blocked by sin.
Barry OGrady
Do you think God's grace might extend to someone who does not know
what they are doing?
>The dukester, American-American
>*****
Barry OGrady
Is that why God made us sinners?
>The dukester, American-American
>*****
gs@bigpond
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2011, duke wrote:
> >On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> >>Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
> >>Romans 4 : 2 - 8
>
> >And grace is blocked by sin.
>
to have salvation through faith, (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
and that does not mean that confession can only be made
to a (R.Catholic) priest
as 1 Peter 2 . 5, 9 states that Christians are a holy, royal
priesthood.
> Is that why God made us sinners?
>
Barry, you have not learnt one of the first lessons I gave you.
***God did not make us sinners.***
Humans made them (our)selves sinners.
God provided salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His only
begotten Son.
in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
Gladys Swager
Barry
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 10, 9:41�am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Jan 2011, duke wrote:
>> >On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>>
>> >>Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
>> >>Romans 4 : 2 - 8
>>
>> >And grace is blocked by sin.
>>
>It is God's grace (mercy unmerited by us) that provided the way
>to have salvation through faith, (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
Why do you say God's grace is unmerited by us?
Surely we merit the very best God can give us.
We didn't choose to be sinners and we can't choose to not be sinners.
>If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
>sins,
Do we need forgiveness for something we can't help?
>and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
>and that does not mean that confession can only be made
>to a (R.Catholic) priest
>as 1 Peter 2 . 5, 9 states that Christians are a holy, royal
>priesthood.
>
>> Is that why God made us sinners?
>>
>Barry, you have not learnt one of the first lessons I gave you.
>***God did not make us sinners.***
>Humans made them (our)selves sinners.
When you put it that way it sounds as if we are somehow to
blame, but, as you acknowledged, we can only be the way
God made us.
You should take care to acknowledge God as the creator
and designer.
So, what is the reason God made us sinners?
>God provided salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His only
>begotten Son in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
Was that the only way God could have done it?
Who or what decided it could only be done that way?
What method did God use to make us need salvation?
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
It is God's grace (mercy unmerited by us) that provided the way
to have salvation through faith, (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
and that does not mean that confession can only be made
to a (R.Catholic) priest
as 1 Peter 2 . 5, 9 states that Christians are a holy, royal
priesthood.
>
God provided salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His only
begotten Son in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
>
Gladys Swager
Barry
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 10, 4:42 pm, Barry wrote:
>
>Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
Why is that?
>It is God's grace (mercy unmerited by us) that provided the way
Why do you say God's mercy is unmerited by us?
I would have thought we all deserve the best of everything.
>to have salvation through faith, (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
How did we come to need salvation?
>If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
>sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
Why can't we all be cleansed of all unrighteousness?
>and that does not mean that confession can only be made
>to a (R.Catholic) priest as 1 Peter 2 . 5, 9 states that Christians
>are a holy, royal priesthood.
>
>God provided salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His only
>begotten Son in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
Was that the only way God could do it?
>Gladys Swager
duke
Of course it does. It's what they then do to destroy the grace of God in
themselves after that. There is no grace of God in a sinner.
Barry OGrady
What about those who sin because they don't know any better?
>The dukester, American-American
>*****
gs@bigpond
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 10, 4:42 pm, Barry wrote:
>
> >Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
>
>
> >sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
>
> >begotten Son in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
>
> Was that the only way God could do it?
>
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
I appreciate that answer, but now I need to know what force dictated
that almighty God had to do it that way.
Just think how wonderful things would be if God really was perfect.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 12, 6:01 pm, Barry wrote:
> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >> >Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
> >> >It is God's grace (mercy unmerited by us) that provided the way
> >> >to have salvation through faith, (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
> >> >If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
> >> >sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
> >> >God provided salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His only
> >> >begotten Son in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
>
> >> Was that the only way God could do it?
>
> >Yes.
>
> I appreciate that answer, but now I need to know what force dictated
> that almighty God had to do it that way.
>
And why do you want to know that?
In knowing that how would it change your attitudes???
> Just think how wonderful things would be if God really was perfect.
>
Just think how wonderful if all persons were perfect in their
behaviours
towards each other.
1 Timothy 2 : 3 - 4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of
God
our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved,
and to come to come to the knowledge of truth.
Perhaps it so happens that some men have to have an avalanche fall
on them before they are willing to cry out, "God, save me/us."
Now, be a good boy. Go and think about that for twenty-four hours,
and give posting a break!!.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 15, 5:06 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 12, 6:01 pm, Barry wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
>> >> >Isaiah 64 : 6 All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
>> >> >It is God's grace (mercy unmerited by us) that provided the way
>> >> >to have salvation through faith, (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
>> >> >If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
>> >> >sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1 : 9)
>> >> >God provided salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, His only
>> >> >begotten Son in His humanity. (Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9)
>>
>> >> Was that the only way God could do it?
>>
>> >Yes.
>>
>> I appreciate that answer, but now I need to know what force dictated
>> that almighty God had to do it that way.
>>
>And why do you want to know that?
>In knowing that how would it change your attitudes???
I'm curious.
Please tell me what force dictated how God was to save us.
>> Just think how wonderful things would be if God really was perfect.
>>
>Just think how wonderful if all persons were perfect in their behaviours
>towards each other.
I'm glad you agree.
Earlier you agreed that God is not perfect.
Now you agree things would be wonderful if God was perfect.
We are getting somewhere.
>1 Timothy 2 : 3 - 4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of
>God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved,
>and to come to come to the knowledge of truth.
That passage cancels the one that says we need faith.
>Perhaps it so happens that some men have to have an avalanche fall
>on them before they are willing to cry out, "God, save me/us."
No need. 1 Timothy 2 : 3 - 4 tells us ALL MEn are to be saved.
>Now, be a good boy. Go and think about that for twenty-four hours,
>and give posting a break!!.
I'm glad I am able to teach you.
>Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> >On Jan 15, 5:06 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
> >> that almighty God had to do it that way.
>
> >And why do you want to know that?
> >In knowing that how would it change your attitudes???
>
> I'm curious.
> Please tell me what force dictated how God was to save us.
>
in your psychological makep that has occurred
from an incident or incidents in your past years.
I have not met a person like you before in my long life,
but then I was mostly limited to experiences with young children. .
Although I do reach the point of near-nigh desperation with you,
I have persevered hoping that at sometime something that comes
into my mind from my experiences may assist
you to think out of the rut that you are in.
> >> Just think how wonderful things would be if God really was perfect.
>
> >Just think how wonderful if all persons were perfect in their behaviours
> >towards each other.
>
> I'm glad you agree.
I'm not agreeing with you, if that is your intention by that comment.
as I made that comment first.
> Earlier you agreed that God is not perfect.
> Now you agree things would be wonderful if God was perfect.
> We are getting somewhere.
>
I have never stated that God is not perfect.
And I am stating that realtionships would be much better
if we all acted the way God desires for us to act and respond.
> >1 Timothy 2 : 3 - 4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of
> >God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved,
> >and to come to come to the knowledge of truth.
>
> That passage cancels the one that says we need faith.
>
You are reading that reference incorrectly - again twisting what is
written
to suit your own agenda of criticsm of the faith given by Jesus
Christ
and His disciples/apostles.
> >Perhaps it so happens that some men have to have an avalanche fall
> >on them before they are willing to cry out, "God, save me/us."
>
> No need. 1 Timothy 2 : 3 - 4 tells us ALL MEN are to be saved.
>
v 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour
Who ***will have*** all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge
of truth.
It is God's will that all be saved, BUT humans have to respond.
if you choose NOT to be saved God will let you have your choice.
>
> I'm glad I am able to teach you.
>
And you haven't taught me on that one, so get that incorrect notion
out of your mind.
I can accept that some five to eight year olds can be difficult to
teach
because of their neurological impairment.
But you have a brain that is stuck in a groove, reasons I do not
know.
Something has evidently happened in your younger years.
When you can think that through, you will be able to understand
better.
Gladys Swager
Barry
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Jan 15, 6:15�pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>> >On Jan 15, 5:06�pm, Barry OGrady �wrote:
>>
>> >> <......>, but now I need to know what force dictated
>> >> that almighty God had to do it that way.
>>
>> >And why do you want to know that?
>> >In knowing that how would it change your attitudes???
>>
>> I'm curious.
>> Please tell me what force dictated how God was to save us.
>>
>You are only parrying (avoiding) the issue because of some quirk
>in your psychological makep that has occurred
>from an incident or incidents in your past years.
>I have not met a person like you before in my long life,
>but then I was mostly limited to experiences with young children. .
>Although I do reach the point of near-nigh desperation with you,
>I have persevered hoping that at sometime something that comes
>into my mind from my experiences may assist
>you to think out of the rut that you are in.
Whatever.
Please tell me what force dictated how God was to save us.
>> >> Just think how wonderful things would be if God really was perfect.
>>
>> >Just think how wonderful if all persons were perfect in their behaviours
>> >towards each other.
>>
>> I'm glad you agree.
>
>I'm not agreeing with you, if that is your intention by that comment.
>as I made that comment first.
You quoted me saying it first.
>> >> Just think how wonderful things would be if God really was perfect.
>>
>> >Just think how wonderful if all persons were perfect in their behaviours
>> >towards each other.
If God was perfect all persons would be perfect in their behaviours
towards each other.
>> Earlier you agreed that God is not perfect.
>> Now you agree things would be wonderful if God was perfect.
>> We are getting somewhere.
>>
>I have never stated that God is not perfect.
You often tell me of imperfect things God does, like now you
are saying it would be wonderful if God was perfect.
>And I am stating that realtionships would be much better
>if we all acted the way God desires for us to act and respond.
If God was perfect he would have what he desires.
>> >1 Timothy 2 : �3 - 4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of
>> >God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved,
>> >and to come to come to the knowledge of truth.
>>
>> That passage cancels the one that says we need faith.
>>
>You are reading that reference incorrectly - again twisting what is
>written to suit your own agenda of criticsm of the faith given by Jesus
>Christ and His disciples/apostles.
Does it not say God will have all men saved, and is God not
almighty to have what he wills?
>> >Perhaps it so happens that some men have to have an avalanche fall
>> >on them before they are willing to cry out, "God, save me/us."
>>
>> No need. 1 Timothy 2 : �3 - 4 tells us ALL MEN are to be saved.
>>
>v 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour
>Who ***will have*** all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge
>of truth.
>It is God's will that all be saved, BUT humans have to respond.
>if you choose NOT to be saved God will let you have your choice.
Are you saying almighty God can't have what he wants?
What is the force that dictates what God can't have?
>> I'm glad I am able to teach you.
>>
>And you haven't taught me on that one, so get that incorrect notion
>out of your mind.
Are you really unteachable?
>I can accept that some five to eight year olds can be difficult to
>teach because of their neurological impairment.
>But you have a brain that is stuck in a groove, reasons I do not
>know.
>Something has evidently happened in your younger years.
>When you can think that through, you will be able to understand
>better.
I understand far better than you.
I even understand what makes you tick.
>Gladys Swager