The power of belief.
guardian Snow
the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an
evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure
thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can
wrong-doing remain?”
The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim AND the belief of Yehoshua.
“Conflict cannot survive without your participation.”
Wayne Dyer
Modern science can’t explain it away except to call it the, “Placebo
effect”. Pills, potions and even false surgeries have been conducted
to study the power of belief. Endorphins begin the healing effects
on those who simply believe, that is science fact. All that is needed
or required is already with you and that power resides in your belief.
Gen 15:6 And he believed in Yahweh, and He reckoned it to him for
righteousness.
Do not doubt that because people believed, they were healed according
to several New Testament passages and this belief is the work of the
SPIRIT of Yahweh according to the law of manifestation.
Deu 11:18 ‘And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and
in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they
shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
Belief is power and in this power we must believe in order to manifest
the spirit that is within us all. Belief is a work that we must
consciously exercise at all times keeping the word always on our mind,
a positive healing and loving word.
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead.
Our works are the fruit of our belief and if you have no works of
faith, your belief will die on the vine. Belief then is a work and
must be steadily fixated upon in the present moment.
Psa 78:22 Because they did not believe in Elohim, Neither did they
trust in His deliverance.
Learning to trust in the deliverance of Yahweh is the final step that
is the fruit of our labors in the truth. I am careful to speak
primarily of works because we cannot behave as demons and expect or
assume that we shall be forgiven. Belief and works of law are
conjoined in spirit to flesh manifestation and we must be without
conflict in our understanding:
Jas 1:6 But he should ask in belief, not doubting, for he who doubts
is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.
Jas 1:7 For that man should not think that he shall receive whatever
from the Master –
Jas 1:8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
Do not be unstable in your belief, when you know that your works are
righteousness in the now, do not be afraid to manifest the spirit that
is within you and seek his will without doubts because only then can
we hope to be like our teacher, Yehoshua the Messiah of Yahweh.
Mat 9:22 But Yehoshua turned, and when He saw her He said, “Take
courage, daughter, your belief has healed you.” And the woman was
healed from that hour.
You get what you think about and what you believe, you manifest. How
often have I spoken of works and those who are lost in dogma think
that I have no understanding of belief and yet, if we truly take in
the true counsel, we understand that we must believe NOW, this moment,
the only moment that will ever be, we have been made whole again and
never again return to the old outmoded dogmatic way of thinking that
is unforgiveness of ourselves.
The Messiah didn’t just heal based on works, he healed many times
based simply on the belief of those he spoke with and so when we speak
of works it should be that we keep the law of manifestation of the
spirit.
Joh 9:1 And passing by, He saw a man, blind from birth.
Joh 9:2 And His taught ones asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned,
this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?”
Joh 9:3 Yehoshua answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,
but that the works of Elohim might be made manifest in him.
How many today are born blind that you too can manifest the works of
Elohim on earth? Do you not believe in the spirit that heals? Of
course you do or you wouldn’t have taken the time to consider this
teaching that you too are to manifest the spirit of healing.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself to him.”
That Yehoshua has manifested the spirit, that is Yahweh, is something
lost to those who strive in only dogma and live in perpetual
unforgiveness because they have not learned to forgive first, without
expectation for that in itself negates the present, the NOW.
Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
I urge you now that if you have not forgiven somebody, do so now that
you might receive forgiveness. We do not receive healing by demanding
that other people apologize, we simply forgive them.
Jas 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his
good behavior his works in meekness of wisdom.
The now is all that there is. One of the great commands of
scriptures:
Mar 12:31 “And the second, like it, is this, ‘You shall love your
neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other command greater than these.”
Many people fail to recognize that you must LOVE YOURSELF. How can
you love your neighbor and hate yourself? A lot of my Christian
brothers must really loath themselves by the display of “love” that I
see being projected many times and this speaks to the disconnection
that they have with YAHWEH.
“The story of the human race is the story of men and women selling
themselves short.”
Abraham Maslow
Maslow sold himself short as so many of us have done and continue to
do. The scriptures teach that you have being granted the power of
creation:
Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those
loving it eat its fruit.
Stop eating the fruits of death and start believing in the power of
the tongue with conscious focus on the present moment:
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today
against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and
the curse. Therefore you shall *choose life*, so that you live, both
you and your seed,
Life is a choice that comes from your belief. You are healed and have
already been forgiven of sin and if you are forgiven, you are
righteous, so continue in that righteousness by holding firm to the
word.
Mat 22:39 “And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor
AND yourself.’
You’ll notice that I changed it to “and yourself” for how can you love
another unless you love yourself first? If your own life is in
shambles, how can you help another? You are created in the image of
the almighty, to love yourself first is to love that spirit planted in
you.
Isn’t it interested in arguing over petty dogmas, so many forgot to
love themselves first and I thought this would be a good time to
remind all of you:
YOU created in the very image of Elohim, You are a treasured
possession and you need to stop beating yourselves up, it serves
nothing good to go around in apathetic disconnection.
Having been created in the image of the Father, you have all that you
need to manifest the spirit and put into practice your true being.
Barak Obama had it right when he said, “Yes, We Can” and this is one
of the few things I agree with him about, a positive affirmation is
one that goes a long way.
Joh 3:34 “For He whom Elohim has sent speaks the Words of Elohim, for
Elohim does not give the Spirit by measure.
Perfection resides in you and when you do the will of Yahweh, which is
perfect, the spirit will assist you in all your endeavors. So many
people, especially Christians beat each other up mentally and walk
away thinking they are unscathed.
Life is in the spirit… such an important scriptural understanding. In
our service to other people, we should never forget that our beliefs
are important if and when they connect with the spirit of truth.
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.”
Understanding spirit is in this moment and no other. To want is to
say that you lack.
Psa 23:1 Yahweh is my shepherd; I do not lack.
Understanding spirit has already provided all that you need is the
great realization that says, instead of asking for your daily bread,
give thanks that you have already received and know that Yahweh has
already provided.
One of the great hindrances to spiritual growth is that we spend our
time always in expectation and yet, will our heavenly Father not
provide for you? Is it that hard to understand that all that you
need is already being delivered to you already? Everything that you
need already exist and Yahweh is just waiting for you to be ready to
receive. Allow me to break this down…
Mat 7:7 “Ask and it shall be given to you,
“Shall be given” .. In other words, you do not have it now and you
lack. So why should you ask if you do not lack? Instead given thanks
knowing that all that you need is already yours.
seek and you shall find,
“Shall find”, in other words, it remains in the future and you do not
have.
knock and it shall be opened to you.
Remember that the wake of a boat does not determine its course. James
is probably the most inspired New Testament writer outside of the
Messiah in this important understanding:
Jas 3:3 Look, we put bits in the mouths of horses, for them to obey
us, and we turn their body.
Jas 3:4 Look at the ships too: although they are so big and are driven
by strong winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the
pilot intends.
Jas 3:5 So too the tongue is a little member, yet boasts greatly. See
how a little fire kindles a great forest!
Change course by your belief and speak of the life that you have NOW.
Do you not know that it has already been given to you? You are
created in the image of the father and so as YAHWEH Creates, so should
you being One with his Spirit.
Gen 1:3 And Elohim said, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
Understanding that it is the spirit that manifested light brings us to
the understanding of is really meant in John 1: 14 “And the Word
became flesh”. So often in dogmatic faith, we read things and then
add our own understanding to what is written.
This does not say Jesus became flesh, rather the word became ALL FLESH
in the beginning and it continues to manifest by the spirit to this
day. The spirit does nothing and yet, nothing is left undone. Yahweh
hasn’t changed and yet, change is inevitable but it must be you that
is willing to change.
Deu 4:36 “From the heavens He let you hear His voice, to instruct you,
and on earth He showed you His great fire, and you heard His words out
of the midst of the fire.
Deu 4:37 “And because He loved your fathers, therefore He chose their
seed after them, and brought you out of Mitsrayim with His Presence,
with His great power,
Deu 4:38 to drive out from before you nations greater and stronger
than you, to bring you in, to give you their land as an inheritance,
as it is today.
Not Yesterday, not tomorrow, TODAY is the day and NOW is the time for
you to receive the blessing by your belief. Begin to understand,
Yahweh is your strength, you are made strong by your belief!
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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“Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.”
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
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“A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.
Courage is like love; it must have hope for nourishment.”
Napoleon Bonaparte
“A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.”
Mark Twain
Michael Christ
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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>Buddha said, �He is able who thinks he is able. All that we are is
>the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an
>evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure
>thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
>All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can
>The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
>and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
For what then do you need a Saviour?
Michael Christ
Zadok
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message ...
> >The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
> >and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
>
> For what then do you need a Saviour?
Good question!!
But if John the Baptist was preaching a baptism for the forgiveness of sins
(Mark 1: 4), that would indicate the God can forgive us our sins.
So if God can forgive our sins, why do we need a Saviour??
Smile.
Michael Christ
>> >The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
>> >and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> For what then do you need a Saviour?
Zadok wrote:
> Good question!!
>
> But if John the Baptist was preaching a baptism for the forgiveness of
> sins
> (Mark 1: 4), that would indicate the God can forgive us our sins.
> So if God can forgive our sins, why do we need a Saviour??
Good point!!
This one that is...God is the Saviour.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
(KJV -1611)
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit, and they that worship him, must worship him
in spirit, and in trueth.
Then was the man in the flesh Jesus your God?
I have to say that your question has inspired the next chapter in my
writings and would point out that your question was Awesome!!! Thank
your for asking it.. I'd be curious to hear your answer:) Thank you
for asking...
Mine requires a lot of careful consideration, meditation and prayer...
Barry OGrady
God is the one that caused us to need saving.
Its a protection racket.
>Michael Christ
==============
Barry
guardian Snow
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:59:38 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
> >I've purposed to shock some people on the topic of change. “Change,
> >You can change” are the lyrics from one of my favorite Tears for Fears
> >song from the 80’s. When I consider the teachings of scriptures, it’s
> >all about us changing. Paul said:
>
> >2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature
> >– the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become
> >renewed!
>
> The "if" is a qualification few meet. Matthew 7:13. "And, if an man
> have not the Spirit of Messiah, he is none of His" Romans 8:9.
You actually cut to the core of your own objections here as I will
demonstrate having already read your post through once before
responding brother.
> >“A renewed creature” in that everybody is capable of change for the
> >better or worse.
>
> No. Only God can change a person. "Can the leopard change his spots,
> or the Cushite the color of his skin?" "And ye, who were DEAD in
> trespasses and sins hath He quickened." Can a corpse decide to
> change?
>
> >Change will happen and so it’s not whether or not
> >things will change but rather if we are to direct the course of that
> >change in the spirit of Yehoshua Messiah or if we will simply allow
> >change to overtake us.
>
> You have the mistaken opinion that man is in charge. "Without Me, ye
> can do NOTHING!"
>
> >Weeds will grow and wishing them away doesn’t make for positive
> >change, we must follow our beliefs by action, which is another way of
> >saying, “works”. What this means is that James can be translated:
>
> I almost can't believe that you have sunk this far into humanism. A
> variant of atheism. But that is the course of everyone who rejects
> the Messiah. It's inescapable, ultimately.
>
> >Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have ACTION, is in itself
> >dead.
>
> "Dead," in what way? Of course; I know --- the immediate JTC is
> always the denial of John 5:24, rather than the true meaning of the
> Passage.
>
> >We must act upon our beliefs and as we put forward, for good or evil,
> >so we create according to what we contemplate.
>
> Wow! WE ARE GODS!" The Mormons are right!
Of course you are being obtuse here but this is a true statement.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
Do you not know that you are created in the very image of Elohim? You
see, your lack of understanding the true nature of scriptures that
reads:
Gen 1:26 And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to
Our likeness, and let them RULE OVER the fish of the sea, and over the
birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth
and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
Man has been giving power to RULE OVER all the earth. Your Christian
concepts are always based on the outward flesh instead of the inner
spirit that gives life. I always find it interesting that Christians
are unable to reconcile with John about the fact the ELOHIM IS SPIRIT!
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.
Words that Messiah spoke are spirit and are life in it is his words
that we should always keep for only in Yahweh our only true Savior are
we truly redeemed.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
> >Tony Robbins says, “The truth is that we can learn to condition our
> >minds, bodies, and emotions to link pain or pleasure to whatever we
> >choose. By changing what we link pain and pleasure to, we will
> >instantly change our behaviors.”
>
> Well, I never knew Tony Robbins; but I know him now. Another of them
> kind. A real man of the world.
>
> >Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants
> >for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of
> >sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
>
> It's not clear to me just what you're making of this deep passage, nor
> where you're going with it. At any length, the passage is not support
> of your above. For one thing, it is in the imperative sense, not in
> the indicative sense. It's the way things SHOULD be (cp the context
> in 6:1, 11, 12 --- but Paul says it DOES, in 7:25 --- btw, "the Law of
> God," there, does not mean the Torah --- it is MUCH BROADER than that,
> as elsewhere in this 3-chapter passage, 7:2 --- marriage as an
> analogy,
>
> Please see my recent post "The Two Men," at
> soc.religion.christian.bible-study.
>
> The fact that you curse Paul is clear evidence that you do not know
> him or understand him, or the Mystery, to me and to all Believers. How
> then, could you, or would you, preach from him?
>
> >What do we link our behavior to? Paul speaks of two paths, “sin to
> >death” or “obedience to righteousness” and so we have established
> >links in our thought patterns that transgression of Torah
>
> As above, "the law" in this passage is much broader then just the
> Torah, and you are mistakenly inserting it in this verse.
>
> > is death and
> >we are saved only by the spirit of that which is greater than us, the
> >spirit of oneness, YAHWEH.
>
> >Joh 10:30 “I and My Father are one.”
>
> I thought you had already arrived at denying John's writings.
I have never denied John. You simply do not understand what John
teaches my friend or else you would stop placing your dogma into the
words that he wrote. John clearly tells of the spirit of Yahweh that
we do not know. We can only begin to comprehend the Almighty spirit
of Yahweh because you do not see him as creator of ALL things good and
evil.
> >In this one spirit, all that we think we become whether it be that we
> >create good or evil by the spirit that resides in us and so if we
> >continue to think of ourselves as unrighteous beings,
>
> Again, please see my "The Two Men." And Psa 51, 53:2-3, Job 15:14-16,
> Rom. 7:24-25, 1 John 1:8,10, 1 Kings 8:46, Psa 130:3, 143:2, Pr. 20:9,
> Isa 53:6, Isa 64:6 ("used kotex")
>
> And the worst of all the crimes of man is in Romans 1:18; it is the
> equivalent of the blasphemy of the Spirit.
>
> >we become the
> >very essence of that. It is for this reason that the Messiah taught
> >us to speak of righteousness. That which is in your heart is what you
> >manifest into being.
>
> >Mat 12:35 “The good man brings forth what is good from the good
> >treasures of his heart, and the wicked man brings forth what is wicked
> >from the wicked treasure.
>
> "No man is good, but God alone."
Elohim is spirit and so it is the spirit that is good when connected
to the will of Yahweh.
> >The scriptures teach us of the power of contemplation and most people
> >confuse this as some “new age” understanding out of fear.
>
> What Scripture is this?
>
> > Focused
> >completely on the outward flesh of Jesus, my Christian brothers have
> >not looked inside to the spirit of goodness that resides in all people
>
> A clear contradiction of the Scriptures from cover to cover.
Just an understanding that is not yours to receive, at this time.
> "The thoughts of their hearts only evil continually . . ."
>
> I gotta go; but I'm confused. It appears that you have shut me out of
> Y. group, since I never get anything from it anymore in my Inbox; yet
> I continue to receive your posts therein.
You are always welcomed to post and I do not see that you have had any
problems voicing your objections to my understandings.
> If this is true, I can accept it, in the Lord, but it is very
> offensive. If I want to hear broadcasts from one side, with no
> opportunity to comment or question or reply, by virtue of the Spirit
> of Christ in me (Romans 8:9), I'll go back to attending some "church."
If… as you started out saying
> The "if" is a qualification few meet. Matthew 7:13. "And, if an man
> have not the Spirit of Messiah, he is none of His" Romans 8:9.
IF you have the spirit, then why would you continue to serve sin? Do
you say to me that the Messiah made you a servant of sin? No, of
course not. By way of knowledge then do you not know that as you
believe, so it shall be and you have been made whole again and IF… you
have been made whole, does this not mean that you are now the
righteous servant of Yahweh? Either you are forgiven or not and to
say otherwise means that you are DOUBLE MINDED.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of Elohim, who gives
to all generously and without reproach, and it shall be given to him.
Jas 1:6 But he should ask in belief, not doubting, for he who doubts
is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.
Jas 1:7 For that man should not think that he shall receive whatever
from the Master –
Jas 1:8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
Do you believe or are you simply paying lip service by being double
minded?
Will you now tell me you are unforgiven and not made whole by the
spirit? IF you are forgiven for your transgression then why do you
continue to be the servant of “sin unto death”? IF after all, you
have the one spirit of truth in you…???
I tell you now that YOU must determine are you the righteous servant
or do you serve sin? Which is it?
Frankie Lee
***Why must someone continue to use "Yahweh instead of God" in an
English writing environment?The Bible translate it to God,and why is
the Bible of our day being discredited?
guardian Snow
Why do you ask questions you believe you know the answer for?
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the
ways of my people, to swear by my name, YAHWEH liveth; as they taught
my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of
my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and
destroy that nation, saith YAHWEH.
Baal is translated LORD as shown here:
Isa 16:8 the lord1167 of the heathen1471
H1167
בּעל
baal
How many people swear by the false name of “LORD”?
Notice that you already provided your own answer:
> The Bible translate it to God,and why is
> the Bible of our day being discredited?
What's being "discredited", The bible or your **belief** of what it
teaches via your "translation" of which there are 1000's. Maybe you
are lost in translation.
Michael Christ
>The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
>and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
Michael Christ wrote:
>For what then do you need a Saviour?
Zadok wrote:
>Good question!!
>But if John the Baptist was preaching a baptism for the forgiveness of
>sins
>(Mark 1: 4), that would indicate the God can forgive us our sins.
>So if God can forgive our sins, why do we need a Saviour??
Michael Christ wrote:
> Good point!!
>This one that is...God is the Saviour.
Snow wrote:
>(KJV -1611)
>Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit, and they that worship him, must worship him
>in spirit, and in trueth.
Of course.
Snow wrote:
>Then was the man in the flesh Jesus your God?
Yes.
But surely you know that the Messiah was more than flesh and bone and blood
and water? The Father sent His Son, His seed, His Spirit in His Son, His
nature in His Son, His testimony, His love in His Son to the world in human
form. Is that part of the Bible you accept?
Snow wrote:
>I have to say that your question has inspired the next chapter in my
>writings and would point out that your question was Awesome!!! Thank
>your for asking it.. I'd be curious to hear your answer:) Thank you
>for asking...
>Mine requires a lot of careful consideration, meditation and prayer...
Well if you think so.
You know me well enough by now to know my answer. My question was directed
to you and your words.
Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
Snow job says so.
>The Bible translate it to God,and why is
>the Bible of our day being discredited?
Snow job hates Christianity and Christians.
==============
Barry
guardian Snow
> Snow job hates Christianity and Christians.
Disagreeing with dogma doesn't mean I hate them. Do you hate me
simply because we hold a different belief system? I think it's silly
to think that just because people don't agree on something that this
means they must hate each other but maybe that is how your belief
system works and you do hate everybody that doesn't agree with you.
Are you projecting your emotions here?
Barry OGrady
>"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
>news:9ba8db93-bb4a-496b...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>Buddha said, �He is able who thinks he is able. All that we are is
>>the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an
>>evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure
>>thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
>>All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can
>>wrong-doing remain?�
>
>>The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
>>and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
>
>For what then do you need a Saviour?
Our saviour wants to feel important.
>Michael Christ
Barry
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guardian Snow
“Change, You can change” are the lyrics from one of my favorite Tears
for Fears song from the 80’s. When I consider the teachings of
scriptures, it’s all about us changing. Paul said:
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature
– the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become
renewed!
“A renewed creature” in that everybody is capable of change for the
better or worse. Change will happen and so it’s not whether or not
things will change but rather if we are to direct the course of that
change in the spirit of Yehoshua Messiah or if we will simply allow
change to overtake us.
Weeds will grow and wishing them away doesn’t make for positive
change, we must follow our beliefs by action, which is another way of
saying, “works”. What this means is that James can be translated:
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have ACTION, is in itself
dead.
We must act upon our beliefs and as we put forward, for good or evil,
so we create according to what we contemplate.
Tony Robbins says, “The truth is that we can learn to condition our
minds, bodies, and emotions to link pain or pleasure to whatever we
choose. By changing what we link pain and pleasure to, we will
instantly change our behaviors.”
Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants
for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of
sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
What do we link our behavior to? Paul speaks of two paths, “sin to
death” or “obedience to righteousness” and so we have established
links in our thought patterns that transgression of Torah is death and
we are saved only by the spirit of that which is greater than us, the
spirit of oneness, YAHWEH.
Joh 10:30 “I and My Father are one.”
In this one spirit, all that we think we become whether it be that we
create good or evil by the spirit that resides in us and so if we
continue to think of ourselves as unrighteous beings, we become the
very essence of that. It is for this reason that the Messiah taught
us to speak of righteousness. That which is in your heart is what you
manifest into being.
Mat 12:35 “The good man brings forth what is good from the good
treasures of his heart, and the wicked man brings forth what is wicked
from the wicked treasure.
The scriptures teach us of the power of contemplation and most people
confuse this as some “new age” understanding out of fear. Focused
completely on the outward flesh of Jesus, my Christian brothers have
not looked inside to the spirit of goodness that resides in all people
because they are clouded with judgment.
Held spellbound by the power of suggestion, the world believes in its
own lack of capacity for righteous behavior being made to sin by
following faulty dogma. They do not believe in their own ability to
become that “new creature” that Paul spoke of.
Isa 29:20 For the ruthless one is brought to naught, the scorner is
consumed, and all who watch for evil shall be cut off,
Isa 29:21 those who make a man to sin in word, and lay a snare for him
who reproves in the gate, and turn aside the righteous with empty
reasoning.
How many people run around begging for a change, change for the love
of everyone, that will make everything alright? Change is all the get
because without vision, the people perish.
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that
keepeth the law, happy is he.
The prophet must have vision for his word to be fulfilled in the
people and in this we see the power of manifestation of Yahweh. Vision
must be implanted by the spirit of truth but one must understand the
nature of Yahweh:
Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
creating evil. I, Yahweh, do all these.’
That which we fixate on is manifested by the spirit, the true prophet
of Yahweh then MUST focus on repairing the breach and causing the
cessation of sin in our fellow man and to teach PERFECTION for the
spirit is not given out in measure and its power knows NO Limits. Do
you think in terms of limitations? Then you have failed to connect to
the true spirit of the Almighty. If you believe you are unrighteous,
then you are and by your own word, you have condemned your own being.
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
You must begin to understand that only in Yahweh is one righteous and
he comes to you because you are worthy of being connected to that
infinite power. Fixated on something negative and you will manifest
that which you have fixated on. If you put poverty, war and strife in
your mind YOU must let go of all the excuses you have held onto for so
long now… Understanding Torah means that we have come to know what
our Father in heaven desires of us and so the Torah is PERFECT in
manifesting the will of the spirit that is KNOWLEDGE of ELOHIM.
Hos 6:6 “For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering, and in the
knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
Knowledge of Elohim is the key of manifestation and so all those who
sit back and call the Torah a curse have not understood the true power
of that knowledge which is the very keys to the Universal law of
creation.
Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, “Because of your unbelief, for
truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it shall move.
And no matter shall be impossible for you.
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE and if you believe otherwise, you have not
believed the Messiah and have not awakened to the reality that dogma
will not comprehend the word and it will be as if you have a spirit of
sleep poured out…
Isa 29:11 And the entire vision is to you like the words of a book
that is sealed, which men give to one who knows books, saying, “Read
this, please.” And he said, “I am unable, for it is sealed.”
At this moment, your eyes are opened and now you are able to read for
now the vision is open to you when you KNOW that ALL things are
possible in Yahweh.
> > If one changes the belief, they can change
> > the behaviour that is the result of that.
> So if a left-handed person believes they are right-handed, they will be?
Absolutely! All behavior is learned and practiced. Psychology has
shown that all behavior can be changed in an instant based on the
beliefs of the individual. Change the beliefs and you can change the
resulting behavior.
This can be demonstrated in a state of hypnosis where left handed
individuals can be commanded that they are now right handed and always
have been... they will naturally behave according to what they believe
and in this we see the power of suggestion at work on the individual.
A person that believes they are unrighteous will continue to be
unrighteous and a person who believes it is unacceptable to sin will
continue to behave in a manner that is according to the system of
beliefs inherit in the mind by conditioning and training of thoughts.
"Our goodness comes solely from thinking on goodness; our wickedness
from thinking on wickedness. We too are the victims of our own
contemplation."
John Jay Chapman
> > We can change:)
> Research suggests most people actually *cannot* change their orientation.
> Tim.
As according to your belief system and yet scriptures teach me,
"nothing is impossible".
"What we plant in the soil of contemplation, we shall reap in the
harvest of action."
Meister Eckhart
Michael Christ
>We can change:)
?? wrote:
>Research suggests most people actually *cannot* change their orientation.
>Tim.
Snow wrote:
> As according to your belief system and yet scriptures teach me,
> "nothing is impossible".
With God, nothing is impossible, an important distinction.
What is not of faith (action) toward God is a waste of time...including
trying to keep biblical law and laws of the human mind.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Thanks for sharing your perspective Mike.
Michael Christ
> ?? wrote:
> >We can change:)
> ?? wrote:
> >Research suggests most people actually *cannot* change their orientation.
> >Tim.
Snow wrote:
> > As according to your belief system and yet scriptures teach me,
> > "nothing is impossible".
Michael Christ wrote:
> With God, nothing is impossible, an important distinction.
>
> What is not of faith (action) toward God is a waste of time...including
> trying to keep biblical law and laws of the human mind.
Snow wrote:
>Joh 14:21 �He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
>loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
>love him and manifest Myself to him.�
Popular personal 'plucked' viewpoints are of no profit. John 14 is a little
more than a snatch and grab for 'suitable' appearing theology.
The Lord is not saying you have to keep the law.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep
my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make
our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which
ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
His words in your personal life...relationship in Spirit, not 'ink' or law.
His sayings in your personal daily life...relationship in Spirit, not 'ink'
or law.
His commands in your personal daily life...relationship in Spirit, not 'ink'
or law.
Just like it has been down through the ages before you or anybody else got
your super dupa Bible software. Its a joke really, I never should have to
speak about such simple reality.
Prophesied:
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my
statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
How? Through Snow's Torah aptitude religion??
No.
By the Lord placing His Spirit inside a man's heart. Put, "I will put..."
not 'the process of putting'.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou
hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in
them.
He is not glorified in the written word...or in someone striving and
struggling to keep the law.
The receiving of Jesus in faith is the fulfillment of the law.
A person who runs around trying to do good works (obey the law)...does not
know themselves and does not know the Messiah or why He came and did what He
did.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> > ?? wrote:
> > >We can change:)
> > ?? wrote:
> > >Research suggests most people actually *cannot* change their orientation.
> > >Tim.
> Snow wrote:
> > > As according to your belief system and yet scriptures teach me,
> > > "nothing is impossible".
> Michael Christ wrote:
> > With God, nothing is impossible, an important distinction.
>
> > What is not of faith (action) toward God is a waste of time...including
> > trying to keep biblical law and laws of the human mind.
> Snow wrote:
> >loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
>
< Popular personal 'plucked' viewpoints are of no profit. John 14 is
a little
< more than a snatch and grab for 'suitable' appearing theology.
I always find it interesting that other people accuse me of rejecting
the word of John. I respect that our theology is not the same but I
choose to honor the teachings of the true Messiah and his Saviour,
Yahweh.
I did find your post interesting and thank you for taking the time to
respond in a civil manner. I have a great amount of respect for you.
Be well and take care.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
Mark Twain
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I believe that being successful means having a balance of success
stories across the many areas of your life. You can't truly be
considered successful in your business life if your home life is in
shambles.
Zig Ziglar
guardian Snow
> >The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
> >and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
>
> For what then do you need a Saviour?
>
> Michael Christ
“For what then do you need a Saviour?”
An excellent question and one that many people lost in dogma have
resisted understanding in worship of the flesh of Messiah Yehoshua.
The scriptures of the Hebrew prophets teach us several reasons,
Yehoshua was to be the “light of the gentiles” but they have rejected
him and instead follow after a translation and collection of works.
Isa 53:11 He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be
satisfied. Through His knowledge, My righteous Servant makes many
righteous, and He bears their crookednesses.
Many do not consider that the entire reason for sending his Messiah is
simply to teach us the knowledge of Elohim and to build the
congregation of YAHWEH.
“Ambition drove many men to become false; to have one thought locked
in the breast, another ready on the tongue.”
Sallust
The prophet Isaiah said that the Messiah:
Isa 49:6 and He says, “Shall it be a small matter for You to be My
Servant to
(1) raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to
(2) bring back the preserved ones of Isra’ĕl?
(3) And I shall give You as a light to the gentiles,
(4) to be -My deliverance- to the ends of the earth!”
In this one verse, we read 4 different missions of the Messiah, the
Servant of Yahweh. This teaching is confirmed in the Good News:
Luk 2:32 a light for the unveiling of the gentiles, and the esteem of
Your people Yisra’ĕl.”
Matthew specifically says:
Mat 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the
prophet, saying,
Mat 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them
which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. (Isa
9:2)
The understanding here should not be confused with simply being the
Flesh of Yehoshua for that ‘GREAT LIGHT’ was Yahweh, it was the
indwelling spirit that gives life. In understanding the principles of
the great light we must consider what is darkness? Of “Lucifer” the
dark branch that sees no dawn he convinces the people to ask:
Isa 14:10 “All of them respond and say to you, ‘Have you also become
as weak as we? Have you become like us?
That which makes you WEAK is darkness and with this comes illness in
the physical manifestation and eventually followed by death. Illness
after all begins in the mind and is the manifestation of that which is
in opposition to the spirit of YAHWEH our healer.
Exo 15:26 And He said, “If you diligently obey the voice of YAHWEH
your Elohim and do what is right in His eyes, and shall listen to His
commands and shall guard all His laws, I shall bring on you none of
the diseases I brought on the Mitsrites, for I am YAHWEH who heals
you.”
When we understand that it is the SPIRIT of Yahweh that heals, we
recognize to stop looking outside our own being because when we obey
the voice of Yahweh, we are connected to that infinite power.
Some people seem to have an issue with the idea of obedience to the
Torah and yet when one refers to the command, we recognize that we are
to “do what is right in his eyes”. I can’t think of any person that
would argue against doing what is right. So, in my opinion the
problem resides in how some people perceive the commands of Yahweh and
even further in dogmatic translations because at the most basic
understanding, it is the command that we do what is right and
righteous.
Almost all of Isaiah is written about the “light of the gentiles”:
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the
brightness of thy rising.
So, all the people of that day and age knew that the Messiah was for
the gentiles.
Mar 2:17 When Yahushua heard it, he saith unto them, They that are
whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came
not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
First off, the idea that you are unable to be righteous, not true.
Yehoshua came for the SINNERS, which is to say those who transgress
the Torah of Yahweh that they might be called out of rebellion.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Many people do not understand that he spoke in parables all the time.
When we understand that as a teacher, the messiah came to make others
strong mentally, physically and spiritually, we start to return to the
core understanding of what is Christ.
Luk 1:76 “And you, child, shall be called prophet of the Most High,
for you shall go before the face of Yahweh to prepare His ways,
Luk 1:77 to give knowledge of deliverance to His people, by the
forgiveness of their sins,
Luk 1:78 through the tender compassion of our Elohim, with which the
daybreak from on high has looked upon us,
Luk 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of
death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”
In essence, we must learn to be like Messiah but in reality we all
need a savior at times. If you are depressed, help somebody else in
need and in this we obey the spirit.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Live your life by the golden rule and consider this:
Joh 14:20 “In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you
in Me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Guarding the commands, teaching as Yehoshua taught and taking up his
walk in life, can save and by definition make you a savior of souls.
You can be a living example and be as the Master.
Luk 6:40 “A taught one is not above his teacher, but everyone
perfected shall be like his teacher.”
Be like the Messiah, make others strong in faith, teach forgiveness of
sins and turning the other cheek and all that he commanded.
Ultimately it is the spirit of Yahweh that is our savior and this
unlimited, all powerful spirit can be manifested according to the
Torah by obedience and belief but first… physician, heal thyself.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A few can touch the magic string, and noisy fame is proud to win them:
Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
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Every time you conquer one it makes you that much stronger. If you do
the little jobs well, the big ones will tend to take care of
themselves.
Dale Carnegie
Michael Christ
>I always find it interesting that other people accuse me of rejecting
>the word of John. I respect that our theology is not the same but I
>choose to honor the teachings of the true Messiah and his Saviour,
>Yahweh.
>I did find your post interesting and thank you for taking the time to
>respond in a civil manner. I have a great amount of respect for you.
>Be well and take care.
I am all for 'niceties Snow but not when delusion is for lunch.
You don't honour the Lord by trying to keep the law, you wipe your feet on
Him drenched self-righteousness.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Matthew specifically says:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you could.
“For what then do you need a Saviour?”
You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and what he
is!!
Michael Christ
randy
"guardian Snow"
“For what then do you need a Saviour?”
"An excellent question and one that many people lost in dogma have
resisted understanding in worship of the flesh of Messiah Yehoshua...."
I don't know anybody who worships the "flesh" of Messiah. However, the
concept of deity become flesh is important because the word of God became
not just a human spirit, but also, a human body. The word of God became a
whole man--not just half a man.
"Many do not consider that the entire reason for sending his Messiah is
simply to teach us the knowledge of Elohim and to build the
congregation of YAHWEH."
I should think the central reason we need a Savior is to establish the basis
of righteousness and to give us a spiritual center. Jesus gave us his
history, through the Scriptures, in order to establish what our own
spirituality should look like. Any other spirituality, if it does not
conform with Jesus, is inadequate for the kind of salvation God wishes for
us.
"...Illness after all begins in the mind and is the manifestation of that
which is in opposition to the spirit of YAHWEH our healer."
Illness begins when we live in close proximity to viruses and bacteria. But
a sloppy or rebellious mind will put us out of divine protection, and make
us more vulnerable to illness, yes.
"When we understand that it is the SPIRIT of Yahweh that heals, we
recognize to stop looking outside our own being because when we obey
the voice of Yahweh, we are connected to that infinite power."
Yes, we must be connected, spiritually, to God. However, spiritual
connection with God is linked to right doctrine and right practise. We must
accept the deity of Christ in order to receive from him his divine spirit.
And we must recognize in ourselves the character that he promised to put in
us.
"In essence, we must learn to be like Messiah but in reality we all
need a savior at times. If you are depressed, help somebody else in
need and in this we obey the spirit."
Of course we need help from the Savior when we are depressed. But we need
the Savior at all times because he is the source of our redemption. We need
spiritual access to him in order to hear God and in order to obtain the
virtues necessary to please him.
randy
Linda Lee
> On Oct 16, 6:39 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > >The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
> > >and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
>
> > For what then do you need a Saviour?
>
> > Michael Christ
>
> “For what then do you need a Saviour?”
>
> An excellent question and one that many people lost in dogma have
> resisted understanding in worship of the flesh of Messiah Yehoshua.
People don't worship the flesh of the Messiah, babbling antichrist.
The Messiah told us to pray to "Our Father ...in Heaven" (Matt. 6:9)
in the NAME OF THE MESSIAH BECAUSE THE FATHER and THE MESSIAH WERE ONE
AND THE SAME.
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son".
Joh 15:16 "whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may
give it you".
Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the
time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I
shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto
you, that I will pray the Father for you
Why do you not understand the Messiah's word?
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot
hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a
lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
guardian Snow
> You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you could.
>
> “For what then do you need a Saviour?”
>
> You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
>
> Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and what he
> is!!
>
> Michael Christ
Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, “Because of your unbelief, for
truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it shall move.
And no matter shall be impossible for you.
And who is it that denies the word of the Messiah? On the one hand
you pretend to agree nothing is impossible and on the other hand you
tell me that you don't believe.
You lack belief.
Psa 23:1 YAHWEH is my shepherd; I do not lack.
Psa 23:2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside
still waters.
Psa 23:3 He turns back1 my being; He leads me in paths of
righteousness For His Name’s sake. Footnote: 1Or He converts.
Psa 23:4 When I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear
no evil. For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort
me.
Psa 23:5 You spread before me a table in the face of my enemies; You
have anointed my head with oil; My cup runs over.
Psa 23:6 Only goodness and kindness follow me All the days of my life;
And I shall dwell in the House of YAHWEH, To the length of days!
Michael Christ
Here is your choice, move a mountain or kneel before the Lord and let Him do
it.
A man who tries to obey the law worships as his own altar.
Under the law you choose to try and live, so under the law you will be
judged.
Michael Christ
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
On Oct 18, 7:54 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
> You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you
> could.
>
> �For what then do you need a Saviour?�
>
> You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
>
> Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and what
> he
> is!!
~Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, �Because of your unbelief, for
~truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
~say to this mountain, �Move from here to there,� and it shall move.
~And no matter shall be impossible for you.
Another thing overlooked by those who encourage disobedience to Christ's
Laws is this...... "17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the
prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto
you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever
therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men
so, shall be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall DO
and TEACH them, he shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven." Matt
5:17-19 (ASV)
__
Veff...
Michael Christ
>You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you
>could.
>�For what then do you need a Saviour?�
>You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
>Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and
>what he is!!
Snow wrote:
> ~Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, �Because of your unbelief, for
> ~truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
> ~say to this mountain, �Move from here to there,� and it shall move.
> ~And no matter shall be impossible for you.
Veff wrote:
> Another thing overlooked by those who encourage disobedience to Christ's
> Laws is this...... "17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the
> prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto
> you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no
> wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever
> therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach
> men so, shall be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever
> heaven." Matt 5:17-19 (ASV)
Jesus was speaking to the Jews at the time who were under the law.
The law is righteous.
However, Jesus went on to fulfill the law, every jot and tittle of it...He
'accomplished' [Praise the Lord] for if He had not He would not have been
the perfect Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
Always, anyone who promotes the keeping of the law diminishes the Lord
Jesus, promotes themselves with their own works, and doesn't understand the
question...
�For what then do you need a Saviour?�
You and Snow ought to remember why the question was asked in the first
place.
Here it is...
Snow wrote:
>The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
>and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
Pure human endeavor without the glory of the Saviour. You have no need for
a Saviour and the Father will crush you for it.
And if you piss all that against the urinal, know this reality...
...you don't keep the 10 commandments. Leave 2 minutes early from work the
other day did you? Thief! Looked at that girl with 'interest' yesterday
did you? Adulterer!! What about giving ALL your heart, soul and mind over
to God being *perfect* in His sight? Idol worshiper!!! Every jot and
tittle
buddy, all must be accomplished by you then.
You blind fool, you aim to fire the gun that will kill/condemn you.
If you do not turn away from the lust for self you will rue the day you read
these words for they were written to turn you away from your wicked ways.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> You can try to make scripture your servant all you like, Snow.
>
> Here is your choice, move a mountain or kneel before the Lord and let Him do
> it.
> > Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> > in spirit and truth.”
>
> Since Yeshua was Yahweh made manifest in the flesh, he of course is
> the same Savior that is proclaimed in your posted verse from Isaiah
> 45:21-22. John said in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word and
> the Word was with God and the Word WAS God" . He also said in John
> 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld
> his glory..."
“We never know how high we are
Till we are called to rise;
And then, if we are true to plan,
Our statures touch the skies—
The Heroism we recite
Would be a daily thing,
Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
For fear to be a King—“
By Emily Dickonson
I must pity Christians because they have such circular logic they are
unable to see what is clearly written in John’s Good News. Locked
into the faulty logic that Yahweh can only manifest in the flesh of
“Jesus” and by extension then wrongly worshiping an image. Christians
maintain the “trinity” doctrine to explain the faulty logic that 3 is
one never actually seeing that the Messiah says:
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
This idea that Yahweh is the deity of the Messiah is furthered by
Matthew on many occasion such as:
Mat 4:10 Then Yehoshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
The name of Jesus is not in any Hebrew scripture but Yehoshua means
Yahweh saved. I’ve spent a long time trying to get Christians to
realize that Jesus was not a deity that sought out being worshiped.
Many mistranslations in scriptures exist that allow to not see the
many contradictions in that the Messiah ascended to the RIGHT HAND of
power, not the seat of power.
Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My RIGHT HAND, until I
make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” ’?
Mat 26:64 Yehoshua said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to
you, from now you shall see the Son of Adam sitting at the RIGHT HAND
of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.”
On Oct 18, 6:02 am, holyf...@wondering.com wrote:
> In the creed the Holy Trinity is defined, based on scripture, so as to
> make sure that God as father and son and spirit undivided and Christ
> undivided in His nature are fully declared as central to the faith. By
> any name, this is an absolute article of faith which defines who is a
> christian.
While “Trinity” doctrine defines who is “Christian”, Christians refuse
to acknowledge that Messiah was only a prophet with the spirit of
Yahweh:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth,* a
man* approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Yahweh is not a man, Elohim is SPIRIT.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Num 23:19 El is not a man, …
Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not
The problem with not making the distinction between spirit and flesh
is that Christians spend all their worship focused on outward
appearances rather than cleaning the cup within. Even the Messiah
while acknowledging he was one with the Father, did not claim to be
the Father at any point because those who truly understand the
religion he preached know that he spoke of the eternal spirit, not
himself.
Christians acknowledge that the Messiah died and was in the grave for
3 days and nights but what they fail to understand is that the dead
can’t resurrect themselves, a power greater than that dead force must
be behind that restoration and that power is the spirit of Yahweh.
Mat 9:8 And when the crowds saw it, they marvelled and praised Elohim
who had given such authority to men.
Such authority is given to MEN, so if you focus on the wrong idea that
Yehoshua is a deity, you completely missed the mark that like you,
authority is given. All men can manifest the same and greater
authority and according to the Messiah will when they understand their
true nature and stop living in the darkness of ignorance that makes
them weak spiritual, physically and mentally.
The point isn’t if Yehoshua is one with Yahweh, we know this by his
works, the point is, “Are you one with Yahweh?” and the reality is
that until you have learned to manifest the signs, YOU ARE NOT.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself in him.”
Nobody argues that the spirit spoke THROUGH men, so why do they are
different for themselves? Christians don’t argue that a spirit spoke
through Paul, Peter, James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John but when
it comes to themselves, they apply a disconnection and look outside
themselves.
1Jn 4:9 By this the love of Elohim was manifested in us
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
That you should follow in his steps and be “Christ like” is simply
something no person of faith should ever consider speaking against but
still, they do not believe in their own divinity or the fact that they
are created in his image.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
“This is my letter to the world,
That never wrote to me, -
The simple news that Nature told,
With tender majesty.
Her message is committed
To hands I cannot see;
For love of her, sweet countrymen,
Judge tenderly of me!”
By Emily Dickinson
guardian Snow
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:8cfe140c-ccd3-4edc...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 18, 7:54 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you
> > could.
>
>
> > You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
>
> > Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and what
> > he
> > is!!
>
> ~truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
> ~And no matter shall be impossible for you.
>
> Another thing overlooked by those who encourage disobedience to Christ's
> Laws is this...... "17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the
> prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto
> you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
> pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever
> therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men
> so, shall be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall DO
> and TEACH them, he shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven." Matt
> 5:17-19 (ASV)
> __
> Veff...
I completely agree. I would take it a step further and point out that
because they have never actually manifested goodness within
themselves, they argue against all that he taught. They spend time
arguing with all the other confused souls about what was said, hating
each other as you see it brimming just under the surface of every post
where they accuses each other of all the evils of the world, including
us.
They wield the teachings as if they are simply piercing weapons that
stab all they point them at never actually taking the time for self
contemplation and reflection on their own behaviors.
Believing they are incapable of being righteous they have manifested
that truth. This is reflected in the fact that the spirit creates all
things good and evil.
Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
creating evil. I, Yahweh, do all these.’
To recognize that he created ALL things, we must recognize that
everything is purposed and evil is a test.
Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
It's just a shame they are failing...
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
“This is my letter to the world,
That never wrote to me, -
The simple news that Nature told,
With tender majesty.
Her message is committed
To hands I cannot see;
For love of her, sweet countrymen,
Judge tenderly of me!”
By Emily Dickinson
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Michael Christ
religious delusion or the waffling quotes of ignorant humanistic men.
I have been over things again and again and again with you, Snow.
Indulge your glorious self in this: you are a debtor to fulfill the whole
law, not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the law. You are bound to
fulfill it, to accomplish every part of it, and you are simply not good
enough.
You are a stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart fool.
One last word to you:
It is nothing of ourselves, it is all about the MESSIAH.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> I am not interested in your scriptural sculptures, or your personal
> religious delusion or the waffling quotes of ignorant humanistic men.
>
> I have been over things again and again and again with you, Snow.
>
> Indulge your glorious self in this: you are a debtor to fulfill the whole
> law, not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the law. You are bound to
> fulfill it, to accomplish every part of it, and you are simply not good
> enough.
>
> You are a stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart fool.
You judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
judge.
Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
a judge.
> One last word to you:
>
> It is nothing of ourselves, it is all about the MESSIAH.
Fortunately for me, I am independent of the good opinion of others.
Yahweh only gave you and the world a choice, the choice you make is
your creation and your belief. While you make it your duty to worship
the servant, you ignore all that he teaches, which I find ironic.
I do not accuse you, blame or even care to tell you that I have a
different understanding, only that my vision is not yours and that you
are entitled to your belief without my condemnation as I am without
yours.
You condemn what you don't understand and you label it, "humanism" to
negate the spirit when in fact it is a man that you have worshiped
instead of the spirit he called upon in his darkest moment.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Yehoshua cried out with a loud
voice, saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lemah sheḇaqtani?” that is, “My Ěl, My Ěl,
why have You forsaken Me?”
You can ignore the fact that he had a deity, you can ignore the fact
that he rose to sit at the right hand of power and not at the seat of
power and you can ignore all his teachings but please.... please don't
think that just because you have a temper tantrum, I must agree with
you.
guardian Snow
ENOUGH.
God gave a loaf to every bird,
But just a crumb to me;
I dare not eat it, though I starve, —
My poignant luxury
To own it, touch it, prove the feat
That made the pellet mine, —
Too happy in my sparrow chance
For ampler coveting.
It might be famine all around,
I could not miss an ear,
Such plenty smiles upon my board,
My garner shows so fair.
I wonder how the rich may feel, —
An Indiaman — an Earl?
I deem that I with but a crumb
Am sovereign of them all.
By Emily Dickinson
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
On Oct 18, 8:32 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:8cfe140c-ccd3-4edc...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 18, 7:54 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you
> > could.
>
>
> > You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
>
> > Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and
> > what
> > he
> > is!!
>
> ~truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
> ~And no matter shall be impossible for you.
>
> Another thing overlooked by those who encourage disobedience to Christ's
> Laws is this...... "17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the
> prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto
> you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no
> wise
> pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever
> therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men
> so, shall be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall DO
> and TEACH them, he shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven." Matt
> 5:17-19 (ASV)
> __
> Veff...
~I completely agree. I would take it a step further and point out that
~because they have never actually manifested goodness within
~themselves, they argue against all that he taught. They spend time
~arguing with all the other confused souls about what was said, hating
~each other as you see it brimming just under the surface of every post
~where they accuses each other of all the evils of the world, including
~us.
~Believing they are incapable of being righteous they have manifested
~that truth. This is reflected in the fact that the spirit creates all
~things good and evil.
This man is a self-confessed Sodomite to book.
>It's just a shame they are failing...
True such people are doomed unless they give up their deviant and wicked
"Abomination".
"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do
not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers
nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy
nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were." 1 Cor 6:9-11 (ANIV)
__
Veff...
Michael Christ
is a waste of time for you and me, Snow.
Off you go and try and keep your 10 commandments, it is as simple as that.
And when you have, I will let the Lord Jesus Christ know that we have found
another Saviour of mankind.
A man who tries to obey the law worships at his own altar.
Under the law you choose to try and live, so under the law you will be
judged.
Michael Christ
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
news:63e00fde-4033-4ff1...@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
ENOUGH.
God gave a loaf to every bird,
But just a crumb to me;
I dare not eat it, though I starve, �
My poignant luxury
To own it, touch it, prove the feat
That made the pellet mine, �
Too happy in my sparrow chance
For ampler coveting.
It might be famine all around,
I could not miss an ear,
Such plenty smiles upon my board,
My garner shows so fair.
I wonder how the rich may feel, �
An Indiaman � an Earl?
guardian Snow
> savior? Answer - no.
This is your answer but the Hebrew understanding of scriptures say
otherwise. You did not complete the thought written about by John.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to
become children of Elohim, to those believing in His Name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the desire of flesh nor of
the desire of man, but of Elohim.
Now notice it does not say whose name except that of Elohim. How is
it that you continue to deny the name of YAHWEH? Rather than continue
to tell you what you already know, that “god” is a mistranslation,
I’ll speak to the Messianic understanding.
Elohim is a collective of the prophets, including Moses. To be the
“children of Elohim” simply means that you are of that collective of
knowledge, which you are not since you refuse to acknowledge that
“god” is the name of Baal and the deity of Freemasonry.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, YAHWEH? And there is no mighty one besides Me,
a righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else.
YAHWEH on the other hand is Elohim of Elohim and there is NO OTHER.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
My deity is YAHWEH and I have no other. The deity of the Messiah was
YAHWEH and he called out to him and proclaimed his name that is lost
in translation of the Greek.
> Does becoming a son of God make you equal to Christ.
>Answer again -
> no. Christ is above all, he has been given a name that is above every
> name in heaven and on earth.
Only by false prophets of BAAL such as yourself who are ignorant of
the Torah. I’ve told you before that “God” is a recorded name of
Baal.
>By faith in him we are ADOPTED as sons,
> BECAUSE of Yeshua.
Don’t blame Yehoshua on your BAAL worship, he never said to worship
him.
Joh 12:49 For I have NOT spoken of MYSELF; but the Father WHICH SENT
ME, HE GAVE me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak.
> The promise of the Spirit comes from Yeshua. It is this Spirit by
> which we receive *adoption* as sons into the family of God that is
> *Yeshua's by birthright*. He is the only begotten Son of God, the Word
> made flesh who was in the beginning with God and WAS God. None of us
> are the Word made flesh. Only Yeshua is that, and only he has the
> "glory as of the ONLY begotten Son of God, full of grace and truth".
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Funny because my deity is all powerful and is not a man, he never
changes. So while you continue in your dogma wondering why you have
never actually manifested the signs of a true believer, it is because
you have chosen to believe a faulty translation of scriptures that has
everybody from Moses to You being a deity.
Exo 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to
Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
You are entitled to believe as you wish but at no point in scriptures
was Moses ever made a deity to be worshiped by Israel, Pharaoh or
anybody else for that matter. Clearly, “God” is a mistranslation.
Joh 10:34 Yahushua answered them, Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are Theos?
Theos being the Greek word translated “God”.
We know that this is a quote of Psalm 82:6 and we know the Hebrew word
was Elohim and so it naturally follows that what is “written” is based
in the Hebrew scriptures for understanding.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of
the most High.
Yehoshua is ELOHIM, just like Moses or any other mighty one but that
does not make him the Almighty.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to Yahweh of
hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to Yahweh because of
the oppressors, He sends them a Savior and an Elohim, and shall
deliver them.
Moses was an Elohim to Israel and Aaron was his prophet.
Exo 4:16 “And he shall speak for you to the people. And it shall be
that he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be an elohim for him.
Exo 7:1 And YAHWEH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee elohim to
Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Abraham was an Elohim and Adonai which in KJV could be translated LORD
GOD.
Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him, 6
“Hear us, my master [adonai also translated LORD in KJV]: You are a
Elohim [translated mighty in kjv but also GOD] prince among us. Bury
your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us withholds
from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
Clearly Theos has been mistranslated to God instead of Elohim. I
don’t see any Christians running around trying to prove we should
worship Abraham and Moses and even Yehoshua said:
Mat 4:10 Then saith Yahushua unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it
is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy Elohim, and him only shalt
thou serve.
Again he says, “it is written” so we know it’s based on the Hebrew
text that reads:
Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear YAHWEH thy Elohim, and serve him, and shalt
swear by his name.
Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go after other elohim, of the elohim of the
people which are round about you;
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the
heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye. If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood
and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long
for the endless immensity of the sea.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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guardian Snow
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> On Oct 18, 8:32 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>
>
>
> <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
>
> >news:8cfe140c-ccd3-4edc...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Oct 18, 7:54 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > > You ****can't**** heal yourself; you would have done it by now if you
> > > could.
>
>
> > > You don't know the answer to that question, Snow...to your shame.
>
> > > Anyone that runs around trying to obey the law does not know who and
> > > what
> > > he
> > > is!!
>
> > ~truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
I can not comment on hearsay. I do not agree with him and I know
nobody that does, that is enough.
Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
I respect you but I am not his judge. I simply judge for myself what
is right and righteous as you do brother:)
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
YAHWEH shall call.
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Father’s name.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
This is the ONLY name ever given.
Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.’
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> This man is a self-confessed Sodomite to book.
Who are you to throw a stone at me, sinner?
One day you will surely have to sit down and eat off the plate with the
above fecal matter.
Even Snow is not that ignorant of God and His righteousness.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>
> > This man is a self-confessed Sodomite to book.
>
> Who are you to throw a stone at me, sinner?
On the other hand, I have to wonder why you would accuse an innocent
man in return. Do you not know that Yahweh forgives? The
understanding that his sins are forgiven by extension makes him
righteous if he guards the word of Elohim.
> One day you will surely have to sit down and eat off the plate with the
> above fecal matter.
>
> Even Snow is not that ignorant of God and His righteousness.
You seem agitated for some reason.. why let it get to you?
Psa 7:12 If one does not repent! He sharpens His sword, He bends His
bow and makes it ready,
Psa 7:13 And He has prepared for Himself instruments of death, He
makes His arrows hot for pursuers.
Psa 7:14 See, he who is bound with wickedness, And has conceived
trouble and brought forth falsehood,
Psa 7:15 He has made a pit and dug it out, And falls into the ditch he
made!
Psa 7:16 His trouble turns back upon his own head, And his wrongdoing
comes down on the top of his head.
Barry OGrady
Aren't you godots supposed to overlook God's weaknesses?
>Michael Christ
==============
Barry
guardian Snow
> On Oct 18, 9:22 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 18, 11:27 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am not interested in your scriptural sculptures, or your personal
> > > religious delusion or the waffling quotes of ignorant humanistic men.
>
> > > I have been over things again and again and again with you, Snow.
>
> > > Indulge your glorious self in this: you are a debtor to fulfill the whole
> > > law, not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the law. You are bound to
> > > fulfill it, to accomplish every part of it, and you are simply not good
> > > enough.
>
> > > You are a stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart fool.
>
> > You judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
> > others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
> > judge.
>
> yourself as a stiff-necked fool, so the judgment is yours.
Your judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
judge.
I am independent of your good opinion. I respect you are entitled to a
point of view and choose not to accept anything you say in regard to
myself since you do not know me and have never met me.
Linda Lee
> On Oct 20, 3:51 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 18, 9:22 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 18, 11:27 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I am not interested in your scriptural sculptures, or your personal
> > > > religious delusion or the waffling quotes of ignorant humanistic men.
>
> > > > I have been over things again and again and again with you, Snow.
>
> > > > Indulge your glorious self in this: you are a debtor to fulfill the whole
> > > > law, not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the law. You are bound to
> > > > fulfill it, to accomplish every part of it, and you are simply not good
> > > > enough.
>
> > > > You are a stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart fool.
>
> > > You judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
> > > others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
> > > judge.
>
> > LOL. He did not address his post to you moron; you just recognized
> > yourself as a stiff-necked fool, so the judgment is yours.
>
> Your judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
> others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
> judge.
Hypocrite; it is rare your own posts don't contain a judgment of at
least one person and often large groups of people.
>
> I am independent of your good opinion. I respect you are entitled to a
> point of view and choose not to accept anything you say in regard to
> myself since you do not know me and have never met me.
Blah, blah, blah. Your idiotic posts are a waste of time as you do
not convince ANY believers to renounce Christ.
guardian Snow
> On Oct 19, 1:50 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 3:51 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 18, 9:22 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 18, 11:27 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am not interested in your scriptural sculptures, or your personal
> > > > > religious delusion or the waffling quotes of ignorant humanistic men.
>
> > > > > I have been over things again and again and again with you, Snow.
>
> > > > > Indulge your glorious self in this: you are a debtor to fulfill the whole
> > > > > law, not one jot or tittle shall pass away from the law. You are bound to
> > > > > fulfill it, to accomplish every part of it, and you are simply not good
> > > > > enough.
>
> > > > > You are a stiff-necked and uncircumcised of heart fool.
>
> > > > You judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
> > > > others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
> > > > judge.
>
> > > LOL. He did not address his post to you moron; you just recognized
> > > yourself as a stiff-necked fool, so the judgment is yours.
>
> > Your judgment of me does not define me, it defines your need to judge
> > others and so, you have only defined yourself as one who needs to
> > judge.
>
> Hypocrite; it is rare your own posts don't contain a judgment of at
> least one person and often large groups of people.
Speaking of groups of people in generalities about doctrine is a far
different cry then being their judge and condemning them as you do me.
> > I am independent of your good opinion. I respect you are entitled to a
> > point of view and choose not to accept anything you say in regard to
> > myself since you do not know me and have never met me.
>
> Blah, blah, blah. Your idiotic posts are a waste of time as you do
> not convince ANY believers to renounce Christ.
And I'm happy to waste a lot more with you my favorite Stalker:)
With LOVE:)
Linda Lee
Your love is bogus, just like your message. Was it love when you
trailed around after me falsely accusing me of being a murderer? How
about you calling me whore while claiming to be my friend, saying you
were doing so to try to "help" me accept your false anti-gospel? I
guess you were "frustrated" by your failure to get me to deny the
Messiah.
As many other people have discerned, you are a fraud who plays to the
crowd, that is obvious when you try to lie to me who knows for certain
you are lying. Your habitual lying is why you get no respect. I will
say this for you, you make many people here look honorable because
they don't stoop to your level of dishonesty.
Your message is fraud and hypocrisy and the false teachings of an
antichrist, plagiarizer.
Your false front does not fool anyone Snowjob, and everyone thinks you
have zero understanding of the
Scriptures. The only person you're fooling, fool, is yourself.
Michael Christ
when you have overcome them in your glory, then I will listen to you, and
then you can throw as many stones as you like. You can pass that on to your
buddy Veff too.
Until then you are just a hypocrite who likes playing with theology and
hearing the sound of your own voice.
Michael Christ
Linda Lee
>
Snowjob revealed:
Barry OGrady
>?? wrote:
>>We can change:)
>
>?? wrote:
>>Research suggests most people actually *cannot* change their orientation.
>>Tim.
>
>Snow wrote:
>> As according to your belief system and yet scriptures teach me,
>> "nothing is impossible".
>
>With God, nothing is impossible, an important distinction.
Yet nothing is what God does.
>What is not of faith (action) toward God is a waste of time...including
>trying to keep biblical law and laws of the human mind.
You are only alive because its illegal to kill you.
>Michael Christ
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>
>"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
>news:25291453-807c-4d26...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 16, 6:39 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
>> >The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
>> >and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
>>
>> For what then do you need a Saviour?
>>
>> Michael Christ
>�For what then do you need a Saviour?�
An excellent question.
We need a saviour to save us from our saviour.
Barry OGrady
Here we have two deluded nutcases fighting over whose mythology
should prevail.
guardian Snow
> Snowjob revealed:
>
> > a hypocrite who likes playing with theology and
> > hearing the sound of your own voice
Linda, get a life and learn to PRACTICE what you PREACH. I know it's
hard understanding that nobody cares what you think. You spend your
days pretending to love your Jesus and then ignore everything he
teaches.
To you scriptures is just a weapon you can use to attack everybody
else since you have zero self confidence. The reality that your book
is garbage, you're web page is dead, you're opinions far fetched and
your attacks baseless, unloving and the very thing you accuse
everybody else of.
You obsess on me daily and your life is crumbling into the pooper,
heal thyself. I'm actually trying to help you... move on, reconnect
and rethink your way of life.
Michael Christ
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Shut up Snow, enough has been heard from you.
Off you go and overcome the 10 commandments in your glory.
When you're done, you can get back to others and show them something other
than hypocrisy.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Linda Lee
> On Oct 20, 11:39 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Snowjob revealed:
>
> > > a hypocrite who likes playing with theology and
> > > hearing the sound of your own voice
>
> Linda, get a life and learn to PRACTICE what you PREACH.
That would carry more weight if it didn't come from a hypocritical
name-calling sinner like yourself, antichrist devil child.
> your book is garbage, you're web page is dead
My book is not meant for antichrists like yourself. The webpage is
"dead" because I shut it down after your massive invasion of about 100
posts. It was for discussion on Paul, either pro or con; you tried to
spam it with your antichrist message and a pretense that I agreed with
it. No go, Snowjob. You tried to control it just as you tried to
control Vera's webpage telling her who she had to kick out. Guess
what? It was YOU she kicked out after she saw your hypocrisy and what
a tortured little control freak you are trying to force your
antichrist message on others who don't buy it.
> I'm actually trying to help you...
I know that is your claim, antichrist Snowjob. LOL. You also said you
were trying to help me when you were calling me whore and murderer.
Why don't you repent of your sins, antichrist?
Linda Lee
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
That will never happen. He is an antichrist and a fraud pulling a con,
that is why he is called Snowjob.
> Michael Christ
Linda Lee
> "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote in message ...
> > >The POWER of Belief is unchanging and awesome. Change your beliefs
> > >and you can change your life. You are the product of your beliefs.
>
> > For what then do you need a Saviour?
>
>
> But if John the Baptist was preaching a baptism for the forgiveness of sins
> (Mark 1: 4), that would indicate the God can forgive us our sins.
> So if God can forgive our sins, why do we need a Saviour??
>
> Smile.
Good news, Zadok; Snowjob is preaching Paul again. See
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/0ab116492bd9dec4
Snowjob wrote:
<quote>
"I've purposed to shock some people on the topic of change.
“Change, You can change” are the lyrics from one of my favorite Tears
for Fears song from the 80’s. When I consider the teachings of
scriptures, it’s all about us changing. Paul said:
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature
– the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become
renewed!
“A renewed creature” in that everybody is capable of change for the
better or worse. Change will happen and so it’s not whether or not
things will change but rather if we are to direct the course of that
change in the spirit of Yehoshua Messiah or if we will simply allow
change to overtake us.
Weeds will grow and wishing them away doesn’t make for positive
change, we must follow our beliefs by action, which is another way of
saying, “works”. What this means is that James can be translated:
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have ACTION, is in itself
dead.
We must act upon our beliefs and as we put forward, for good or evil,
so we create according to what we contemplate.
Tony Robbins says, “The truth is that we can learn to condition our
minds, bodies, and emotions to link pain or pleasure to whatever we
choose. By changing what we link pain and pleasure to, we will
instantly change our behaviors.”
Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants
for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of
sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
What do we link our behavior to? Paul speaks of two paths, “sin to
death” or “obedience to righteousness” and so we have established
links in our thought patterns that transgression of Torah is death and
we are saved only by the spirit of that which is greater than us, the
spirit of oneness, YAHWEH. " <end quote>
Shocked? No, I knew Snowjob would revert to preaching Paul again since
he is wholly unstable and has no firm beliefs.
guardian Snow
> Shocked? No, I knew Snowjob would revert to preaching Paul again since
> he is wholly unstable and has no firm beliefs.
:) I quoted Buddha also.. and Wayne Dyer's book... oh my... how
horrible.
guardian Snow
just left Messianic.Yehoshua simply because I did not come out
directly and say, “Yes” but then, I was hoping to draw out a deeper
discussion about the topic. The scriptures say:
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to Yahweh of
hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to Yahweh because of the
oppressors, He sends them a Saviour and an Elohim, and shall deliver
them.
“The land of Mitsrayim or Egypt is a land divided, it’s symbolic in
scriptures. Clearly with Red and Blue states in America, the world is
divided. Clearly the world is in need of a Saviour being filled with
war, crime and hate, the dogmatic church calls daily on “Je Zeus” but
never manifest anything by the trinity doctrine.
“Why do you not worship Jesus?” Christians remove the name of YAHWEH
[praise his name] and replace it with LORD and then lay blame on Jews
instead of simply restoring the set apart name. YAHWEH is the deity
of the Messiah that brought him back from the dead. The Messiah did
not do this of his own:
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
He spoke of his deity as his Father. This recognition comes only by
guarding the commands that the Messiah preached and removing the curse
of Deuteronomy 28 in your life that Peter says we are the children of:
2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
children of a curse,
This applied to myself as I spent the vast majority of my life
indoctrinated in Christian trinity dogma. Now because I recognize the
truth, they label me a “cult”, a label I proudly wear.
Jiddu Krishnamurti stated, “It is no measure of health to be well
adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
The sickness are people that believe they can preach a gospel of
lawlessness to make a better society where thieves, murderers and
homosexuals rule in heaven and are forgiven simply because they
believe rather than conform to be like the one they speak of.
They make a deity out of Jesus because without this fatal concept,
they have no excuse to call him their righteousness. He is no longer
the “perfect sacrifice” for their sin and instead is a prophet calling
them to obey the Ten Commandments.
This excuse they have made for their irrational behavior becomes an
ingrained habit that allows them to accuse all others that proclaim
the need to be righteous and follow the example of Yehoshua. For
this reason, they cling to this delusional understanding and then tell
me, “you have not considered the whole council”.
I find this “whole council” idea ironic when the vast majorities
ignore all “old” Covenant scriptures, the Messiah himself who preached
the Ten Commandments and all other authors outside of Paul who they
pick and choose which passages they will obey.
Until ALL PEOPLE, including myself will recognize that they do in fact
still need a Saviour to come and teach them the name of YAHWEH to call
upon in our lost, confused state, we remain without the truth.
YAHWEH is simply a translation and honestly, I do not know for certain
that it is the correct name written in Hebrew as:
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
So.. I am not dogmatic when others say Y’hVah or some of the several
other close translations. The essence of guarding the command is on
my heart. Jews are quick to say that YAHWEH is not the name but on
the other hand, they do not teach his name and simply fail to guard
the command, bring it to naught and call him Adonai (meaning Baal) or
HaShem (meaning “the name”) because they have lost how to actually
pronounce the name of the deity they claim to worship but never
actually make mention of.
In fact... I have scriptural support that says not to call YAHWEH by
anything but his name.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
YAHWEH shall call.
It doesn't say all who call on adonai, all who call on baal, all who
call on elohim... THREE times it tells us to call on the name of
YAHWEH. Is it your desire that men not be saved?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Father’s name.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
This is the ONLY name ever given.
Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.’
One of the names of Baal was G-d.
H1409
גּד
Gawd;g-d
A variation of H1409; Fortune, a Babylonian deity: - that troop.
For some reason it’s translated “that troop” in the KJV. But if we
look at the “variation”:
Notice first that there is NO difference between the two words
characters in Hebrew. Gawd is pronounced god.
Isa 65:11 “But you are those who forsake YAHWEH, who forget My set-
apart mountain, who prepare a table for G-d, and who fill a drink
offering for Meni.
This is the ONLY listing for gawd of furtune in the entire scriptures.
So, next I figure I’ll look into Baal Gad.
H1171
בּעל גּד
ba‛al gd
bah'-al gawd
From H1168 and H1409; Lord of Fortune; Baal G-d, a place in Syria: -
Baal-gad.
Notice again... same characters for Gawd. Interesting that so many
treat this name as if it’s sacred and type G-d. When you consider the
fact that Hebrew doesn’t have vowels, G-d is exactly what is written.
Notice that the name gawd is in fact Gad as recorded as H1409.
Baal’s name is what the world considers a sacred name! No wonder it
says, “In God we trust” on all the money in the United States.
Jos 11:17 from Mount Ḥalaq that goes up to Sĕʽir, and as far as Baʽal
Gaḏ in the Valley of Leḇanon below Mount Ḥermon. And he captured
all their sovereigns, and smote them and killed them.
Jos 11:18 Yehoshua fought with all those sovereigns for a long time.
Yehoshua is also the name of the Messiah! (Zec 6 11-12)
Clearly, we need the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name
of Yahweh that we may call upon to be saved!!!
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.
Wayne Dyer
Linda Lee
> I’ve asked the question, “Do we need a Saviour”? Some people have
> just left Messianic.Yehoshua simply because I did not come out
> directly and say, “Yes”
Good for them. So they finally found out how you stand on the subject
of the Messiah; you're so obtuse, many people don't know what you
believe. And then of course you've deceptively named your group
Messianic.Yehoshua like the conman that you are.
>
> 2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
> from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
> children of a curse,
>
> This applied to myself
It still does.
> as I spent the vast majority of my life
> indoctrinated in Christian trinity dogma. Now because I recognize the
> truth, they label me a “cult”, a label I proudly wear.
Likely you'd like to become another Jim Jones or David Koresh.
Linda Lee
> just left Messianic.Yehoshua simply because I did not come out
> directly and say, “Yes”
Good for them. So they finally found out how you stand on the subject
of the Messiah; you're so obtuse, many people don't know what you
believe. And then of course you've deceptively named your group
Messianic.Yehoshua like the conman that you are.
>
> 2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
> from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
> children of a curse,
>
> This applied to myself
It still does.
> as I spent the vast majority of my life
> indoctrinated in Christian trinity dogma. Now because I recognize the
> truth, they label me a “cult”, a label I proudly wear.
Maybe you and Sherry could start another Stargate cult (the previous
members are all deceased) and recruit everyone whose ever had a
nosebleed and convince them they've been the victims of alien sleep-
napping". LOL.
>
> In fact... I have scriptural support that says not to call YAHWEH by
> anything but his name.
>
> Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
> name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
> shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
> YAHWEH shall call.
>
> It doesn't say all who call on adonai, all who call on baal, all who
> call on elohim... THREE times it tells us to call on the name of
> YAHWEH. Is it your desire that men not be saved?
It does not say three times to call on the name of Yahweh; it says it
once, and the other two times is says "Yahweh hath said" and "Yahweh
shall call". Oh, if only you could read...
>
> Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
> another, neither my praise to graven images.
That's right, God will not give his glory to another. And the Lamb,
Yahashua` the Saviour, is God's glory:
Rev 21:23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon,
to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is
the light thereof". I know, that sentence is too long for you; it
says God's glory provides the light and the Lamb is the light.
>
> Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
> Father’s name.
The Messiah never used the name of God; he only called him the Father,
and said he and the Father were one (John 10:30) and when they'd seen
the Messiah, they'd seen the Father (John 14:9).
Your post is FULL of errors.
>
> H1409
>
> גּד
> Gawd;g-d
>
> A variation of H1409; Fortune, a Babylonian deity: - that troop.
>
>
> Notice again... same characters for Gawd. Interesting that so many
> treat this name as if it’s sacred and type G-d. When you consider the
> fact that Hebrew doesn’t have vowels, G-d is exactly what is written.
> Notice that the name gawd is in fact Gad as recorded as H1409.
No kidding. Gad was one of the tribes of Israel, one among many facts
you continuously ignore.
>
> Clearly, we need the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name
> of Yahweh that we may call upon to be saved!!!
So according to you, antichrist, the Messiah failed as the Saviour and
has to return to tell us how to be saved.
guardian Snow
> > Clearly, we need the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name
> > of Yahweh that we may call upon to be saved!!!
>
> So according to you, antichrist, the Messiah failed as the Saviour and
> has to return to tell us how to be saved.
Do you believe you shall, "never taste death"?
Your presume again to lie and say something I never said. Do you not
believe the Messiah will return and establish his kingdom?
Barry OGrady
==============
Barry
Barry OGrady
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>I�ve asked the question, �Do we need a Saviour�?
We need a saviour to save us from our saviour.
If we did not have a saviour we would not need one.
==============
Barry
Rod
>> just left Messianic.Yehoshua simply because I did not come out
>
> Good for them. So they finally found out how you stand on the subject
> of the Messiah; you're so obtuse, many people don't know what you
> believe. And then of course you've deceptively named your group
> Messianic.Yehoshua like the conman that you are.
>
>
>> 2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
>> from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
>> children of a curse,
>>
>> This applied to myself
>
> It still does.
>
>> as I spent the vast majority of my life
>> indoctrinated in Christian trinity dogma. Now because I recognize the
>
> Likely you'd like to become another Jim Jones or David Koresh.
But not another Linda Lee. Can't see that happening...
Linda Lee
> On Oct 21, 2:25 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > Clearly, we need the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name
> > > of Yahweh that we may call upon to be saved!!!
>
> > So according to you, antichrist, the Messiah failed as the Saviour and
> > has to return to tell us how to be saved.
>
> Do you believe you shall, "never taste death"?
John 8:52 "If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death".
The Messiah was speaking of spiritual death, and yes, I know I will
never taste of spiritual death or spend any time in Hades awaiting
Judgment Day.
God is the God of the living, not of the dead.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read
in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am
the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living:
ye therefore do greatly err.
Believers are in 'the bosom of Abraham' after death, in peace.
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple
and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was
laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the
rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried
by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was
buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and
seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Now you, antichrist Snowjob, are a different subject; you reject the
Son and have not the Father; you will taste spiritual death and await
Judgment Day in Hades.
1 John 2:23 "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also".
>
> Your presume again to lie and say something I never said.
You lie. I didn't quote you word for word but your statement, "we need
the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name of Yahweh that we
may call upon to be saved" is strong indication you believe the
Messiah did not succeed in bringing salvation. He says he did.
He accomplished his mission with the resurrection; if you weren't so
ignorant and stiff-necked you'd know that. He said "It is finished" on
the cross (John 19:30). He was successful as the Saviour; the failure
is your own as you reject him.
Matt. 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which
leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
> Do you not
> believe the Messiah will return and establish his kingdom?
That is a different issue than salvation, ignorant one.
guardian Snow
What's interesting Linda is that while you spend your life preaching
against Paul, and then you blast me for quoting him, you're dogma is
all Paul's... You can't support any of this post without quoting
Paul...
"It is finished" does not mean all prophetic work is done or that the
Torah is completed because if that were the case, Damascus would be a
ruin.
Isa 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from
being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
It's the oldest inhabited city on earth and a prophecy that has yet to
be fulfilled... thank about that for a while when you consider the
work of the Messiah completed.
guardian Snow
> all Paul's... You can't support any of this post without quoting
> Paul...
>
> "It is finished" does not mean all prophetic work is done or that the
> Torah is completed because if that were the case, Damascus would be a
> ruin.
>
> Isa 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from
> being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
>
> It's the oldest inhabited city on earth and a prophecy that has yet to
> be fulfilled... thank about that for a while when you consider the
> work of the Messiah completed.
your dogma.. I know.. I need to proof read my post.
Linda Lee
> against Paul, and then you blast me for quoting him, you're dogma is
> all Paul's...
YOUR, not you're.
> You can't support any of this post without quoting
> Paul...
Liar. I already supported it by only quoting the Messiah and his real
apostles.
>
> "It is finished" does not mean all prophetic work is done
I did not say that; when Christ said "It is finished", he meant
everything necessary to assure salvation for believers was
accomplished i.e. the Devil's work was destroyed, sin, hell, and death
were overcome.
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word,
and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall
not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Note that it says Christ was MANIFESTED to destroy the works of the
Devil (sin, hell, and death), meaning when he died and inevitably
resurrected, "It is finished":
1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
(Inevitably resurrected because he was God incarnate and could not be
held of death - Acts 2:24.)
John 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying,
he shall never see death".
Rev 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith
unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second
death".
Rev 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive
for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".
> or that the
> Torah is completed
If by Torah you mean law (since you already covered "all prophetic
work" in your previous assumption), of course not, and I never said
that either. You're simply confused, as usual. Christ said in Matt.
5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled."
> because if that were the case, Damascus would be a
> ruin.
>
> Isa 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from
> being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
>
> It's the oldest inhabited city on earth and a prophecy that has yet to
> be fulfilled... thank about that for a while when you consider the
> work of the Messiah completed.
You thank about it; I never said what you claim - talking to you is
like talking to a lunatic who imagines they hear all sorts of things
that were never said just like you read all sorts of things into the
texts that are not there.
Linda Lee
>
> your dogma.. I know.. I need to proof read my post.
Good job.
Rod
I for one believe that Rev 1:7 is testimony that He already
HAS come...
guardian Snow
But clearly "the kingdom" is not established.
Rev 2:25 “But hold fast what you have until I come.
Rev 2:26 “And he who overcomes, and guards My works until the end, to
him I shall give authority over the nations,
Rev 2:27 and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron, as the
potter’s vessels shall be broken to pieces,1 as I also have received
from My Father. Footnote: 1Ps. 2:9.
Unless of course you think the kingdom is meant to have endless
strife, suffering, war, plague or even currency. In my opinion the
curses of Duet 28 are clearly still in effect on all those who turn
from the Spirit of Yahweh.
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.
Barry OGrady
After Snow has proofread his posts to be he should delete them rather
than post them.
Barry OGrady
>"guardian Snow"
>
>�For what then do you need a Saviour?�
If we did not have a saviour we would not need a saviour, for it is our
saviour we need saving from.
>randy
Barry OGrady
>1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>> This man is a self-confessed Sodomite to book.
>
>Who are you to throw a stone at me, sinner?
>
>One day you will surely have to sit down and eat off the plate with the
>above fecal matter.
>
>Even Snow is not that ignorant of God and His righteousness.
Its not your fault you are a raving nutcase. You can only be the way
God made you.
>Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> >> This man is a self-confessed Sodomite to book.
>
> >Who are you to throw a stone at me, sinner?
>
> >One day you will surely have to sit down and eat off the plate with the
> >above fecal matter.
>
> >Even Snow is not that ignorant of God and His righteousness.
>
> Its not your fault you are a raving nutcase. You can only be the way
> God made you.
But according to his scriptures, he is God.
Psa 82:6 I have said, "Ye are gods: and all of you are children of
the most High:"
Linda Lee
LOL. If only... You don't know the Scriptures I don't suppose, so
you wouldn't know, but he often gets one verse TOTALLY screwed up and
then expands on that particular error in a really long post. It's hard
to ignore such ludicrousness, especially when he pretends like he's
such a holier-than-thou 'preacher' (a preacher along the lines of
television's Benny Hinn, a BIG fraud).
Ah, I see he's feeding you one of his many errors in a post to you
following this one on Google Groups. (It's no big coincidence; he
posts many times a day and most of his posts are error-ridden.) He
must see you as easy prey.
Snowjob tells you that a poster IS God according to the Scriptures and
cites Psa. 82:6 where God says to the Israelites, "Ye are gods and all
of you are children of the most High". The word there translated
'gods' is from 'elohiym' meaning God, gods, goddesses, angels, and
judges. So no, the Scriptures are not saying either the Israelites (or
Gentile posters) are God, and it's not likely it is saying they're
gods and goddesses or judges either since it reiterates they're also
children of God ("children of the most High"), so it can only be
saying they are angels since angels are also created by and servants
of God.
Oh well, Snowjob is good for one thing; the phony compliments he hands
out left and right to the gullible (Oh, I really have respect for you,
I really appreciate your correction, and to those who have cut him off
in the past because of his hypocrisy and control freak ways who throw
a word his way, It's a blessing to hear from you again. I hope that
you are doing well and that you know you are loved. Your always a
winner to me.)
guardian Snow
> Snowjob tells you that a poster IS God according to the Scriptures and
> cites Psa. 82:6 where God says to the Israelites, "Ye are gods and all
> of you are children of the most High". The word there translated
> 'gods' is from 'elohiym' meaning God, gods, goddesses, angels, and
> judges.
I always find it interesting that on the one hand you insist that
Jesus is God but then quickly admit the word is mistranslated.
Linda Lee
The word elohiym? First of all, it is not talking about the Messiah
here, second, I did not say it is always mistranslated; I said it
means many things, and in this instance cannot mean God. You should
not try to deceive Barry.
You have criticized me lately for not forgiving you. IF you REALLY
want my forgiveness, you will issue a sincere apology for repeatedly
calling me a murderer because I voted for President Obama (as is my
right);
for repeatedly calling me a whore for remaining faithful in my
lifelong belief that Yahashua` the Messiah was God incarnate as our
only Saviour (as is also my right) just because you abandoned belief
in him, and for twice plagiarizing my words, and NOT DO THEM AGAIN as
you've done before. These trespasses are the only ones I care about;
the other insults I don't really care about. Oh, and you can apologize
for your recent vague threat as well, instead of trying to weasel out
of it, and not do it again as well.
In Luke 17:3 the Messiah said, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy
brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive
him".
guardian Snow
> On Oct 22, 1:17 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 22, 3:53 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > Snowjob tells you that a poster IS God according to the Scriptures and
> > > cites Psa. 82:6 where God says to the Israelites, "Ye are gods and all
> > > of you are children of the most High". The word there translated
> > > 'gods' is from 'elohiym' meaning God, gods, goddesses, angels, and
> > > judges.
>
> > I always find it interesting that on the one hand you insist that
> > Jesus is God but then quickly admit the word is mistranslated.
>
> The word elohiym? First of all, it is not talking about the Messiah
> here, second, I did not say it is always mistranslated; I said it
> means many things, and in this instance cannot mean God.
Yet this is the instance that Messiah quoted:
Joh 10:34 Yehoshua answered them, “Is it not written in your own
Torah, ‘I said, “You are elohim” ’?
So if it means "many things" then it doesn't just mean the one deity
that I should bow down and worship.
Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I
make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” ’?
The fact that the New Testament is UNRELIABLE in the KJV is FACT.
Psa 110:1 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I
make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”
Where does Messiah sit? At the right hand of power by his own
admission.
Mat 26:64 Yehoshua said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to
you, from now you shall see the Son of Aḏam sitting at the right hand
of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.”
So, spare me your garbage and stop posting to me.
Rod
> On Oct 22, 9:07 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>> On Oct 21, 2:25 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>> Clearly, we need the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name
>>>>> of Yahweh that we may call upon to be saved!!!
>>>> So according to you, antichrist, the Messiah failed as the Saviour and
>>>> has to return to tell us how to be saved.
>>> Do you believe you shall, "never taste death"?
>>> Your presume again to lie and say something I never said. Do you not
>>> believe the Messiah will return and establish his kingdom?
>> I for one believe that Rev 1:7 is testimony that He already
>>
>> HAS come...
>
> But clearly "the kingdom" is not established.
I disagree. Why...?.....
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my
kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should
not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Not of this world ? That can mean only one thing, it is not of this
world. So where ? His imagination ? Or in a realm we are unable to
perceive ?
If His kingdom were not already established He would not be calling it
a kingdom. Also, more people are to be called to the kingdom, for I
propose that there is an untold stretch of time between His return
and the resurrection.
I propose to you that more is yet to happen before Revelation is
fulfilled.
>
> Rev 2:25 �But hold fast what you have until I come.
> Rev 2:26 �And he who overcomes, and guards My works until the end, to
> him I shall give authority over the nations,
> Rev 2:27 and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron, as the
> potter�s vessels shall be broken to pieces,1 as I also have received
> from My Father. Footnote: 1Ps. 2:9.
>
> Unless of course you think the kingdom is meant to have endless
> strife, suffering, war, plague or even currency. In my opinion the
> curses of Duet 28 are clearly still in effect on all those who turn
> from the Spirit of Yahweh.
As I said above, I believe more is to happen. Consider one of the last
verses of Revelation extremely carefully;
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have
the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates
into the city.
Rev 22:15 Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators,
and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one that loveth and
maketh a lie.
Now how can evil still exist outside the gates of New Jerusalem
if all are in the lake of fire ? I believe the time line is the key
to answering this...children being born after satan, the beast and
false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.
I'm of the opinion that scripture doesn't read at all like we believe
it does, and things won't happen like we think they will..
>
> Joh 6:63 �It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
Linda Lee
>
Where is your answer to this, hypocrite?
You have criticized me lately for not forgiving you. IF you REALLY
want my forgiveness, you will issue a sincere apology for repeatedly
calling me a murderer because I voted for President Obama (as is my
right);
for repeatedly calling me a whore for remaining faithful in my
lifelong belief that Yahashua` the Messiah was God incarnate as our
only Saviour (as is also my right) just because you abandoned belief
in him, and for twice plagiarizing my words, and NOT DO THEM AGAIN as
you've done before. These trespasses are the only ones I care about;
the other insults I don't really care about. Oh, and you can apologize
for your recent vague threat as well, instead of trying to weasel out
of it, and not do it again as well.
In Luke 17:3 the Messiah said, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy
brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive
him".
Oh, I see it now...
>
> So, spare me your garbage and stop posting to me.
Being the supreme hypocrite and worthless liar that you are, I didn't
really think you wanted my forgiveness as you've lied or were man
enough to apologize, and I didn't believe you really meant it when you
posted we should reprove our brothers of their wrongdoing, and you
just proved me right on all counts.
You had your chance to right things, Snowjob, and it's obvious you do
not want that and are not repentant of your sins against me, so quit
your whining and lying. Oh, I forgot, you can't quit lying because
you're a child of the Devil, and whining about others treatment of you
while you mistreat them is your favorite past-time.
And NO, I will not stop posting to you as I don't do as you say now
just as I did not when you harassed me to abandon belief in the
Messiah as God incarnate just because you did. You, the fake preacher,
liar, hypocrite, and child of the Devil, need exposed for what you
really are.
Linda Lee
> On Oct 23, 2:31 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 1:17 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 22, 3:53 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Snowjob tells you that a poster IS God according to the Scriptures and
> > > > cites Psa. 82:6 where God says to the Israelites, "Ye are gods and all
> > > > of you are children of the most High". The word there translated
> > > > 'gods' is from 'elohiym' meaning God, gods, goddesses, angels, and
> > > > judges.
>
> > > I always find it interesting that on the one hand you insist that
> > > Jesus is God but then quickly admit the word is mistranslated.
>
> > The word elohiym? First of all, it is not talking about the Messiah
> > here, second, I did not say it is always mistranslated; I said it
> > means many things, and in this instance cannot mean God.
>
> Yet this is the instance that Messiah quoted:
>
> Joh 10:34 Yehoshua answered them, “Is it not written in your own
> Torah, ‘I said, “You are elohim” ’?
Ps. 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the
most High.
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the
princes.
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all
nations
The Hebrew word “elohiym”, which WHEN APPLIED TO A PLURALITY, such as
the children of Israel as it does in Ps. 82:6, does NOT mean God; it
means gods, angels, divine ones, rulers, and judges. And it is
obvious, he does not mean they're God because the Psalms goes on to
say God says they are going to FALL and die like men, so the only
remaining definition is angels, since all of the Israelites were not
judges or rulers.
BDB Lexicon:
Gods - Heb. 430 - 'ĕlôhîym
BDB Definition:
1) (PLURAL) *************
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods
2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
2a) god, goddess
2b) godlike one
2c) works or special possessions of God
2d) the (true) God
2e) God
Ps. 82:6 means the Israelites were children/sons of God and ANGELS, as
'John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible' explains: “Many of the
Jewish writers, by "gods", understand "the angels". The Targum [an
Aramaic translation of the Hebrew Scriptures] paraphrases the words
thus: “I said ye are accounted as angels, as the angels on high, all
of you”.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone
thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,
makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said,
Ye are gods [and "children of the most High"]?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods [and "children of the most High"],
unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent
into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM THE SON OF
GOD?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works:
that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in
him.
Maybe if you'd quit taking single sentences out of context, you
wouldn't be so confused. The Messiah had just said he was one with
God and that he does the works of God (and elsewhere says he can do
nothing else - this is because he is God); THAT makes him God. But he
was talking here about having also said "I am the Son of God"; this
was the charge of blasphemy they were making, and since the rest of
that verse from Ps. 82:6 says the Israelites are all "children of the
most High", it is pretty obvious that the Greek translators left out
the rest of that verse from the Psalms, and he is pointing out that
the Scriptures state the Israelites are ALSO sons of God being they
are "children of the most High".
>
> Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I
> make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” ’?
>
> The fact that the New Testament is UNRELIABLE in the KJV is FACT.
>
> Psa 110:1 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I
> make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”
>
> Where does Messiah sit? At the right hand of power by his own
> admission.
>
> Mat 26:64 Yehoshua said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to
> you, from now you shall see the Son of Aḏam sitting at the right hand
> of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.”
Too bad you're too ignorant to know and too confused to be able to
learn the meaning of Hebrew idioms such as 'sitting on God's right
hand'. I guess you forget you've posted many times that there is only
one God, and now you're trying to claim anyone and everyone is God.
Your confusion about the Messiah's teachings is never-ending and all-
encompassing.
>
> So, spare me your garbage and stop posting to me.
Don't delude yourself that you can post to me, make your arguments,
and then order me that you not receive a reply, you pathetic
hypocritical whiner.
guardian Snow
> Don't delude yourself that you can post to me, make your arguments,
> and then order me that you not receive a reply, you pathetic
> hypocritical whiner.
Please don't think I care what you say.
Linda Lee
> On Oct 23, 7:31 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't delude yourself that you can post to me, make your arguments,
> > and then order me that you not receive a reply, you pathetic
> > hypocritical whiner.
>
> Please don't think I care what you say.
I don't think that Snowjob; habitual liars like yourself don't care
what they say or what anyone else says; truth means nothing to you,
words are just ploys with which to manipulate others.
guardian Snow
Hopefully you figure out that I don't care what you say... I wish you
well but you are going to be ignored because you have nothing of value
to say and you have proven that you don't care what the Messiah
teaches.. you only care about your own delusion.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
I do not receive your rantings.. and nobody cares.
Linda Lee
> On Oct 23, 8:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Hopefully you figure out that I don't care what you say... I wish you
> well but you are going to be ignored because you have nothing of value
> to say and you have proven that
> you don't care what the Messiah
> teaches.. you only care about your own delusion.
LOL. It's really incredible what a hypocrite you are.
>
> Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
> But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
> Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
> you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
>
> I do not receive your rantings.. and nobody cares.
Where is your answer to this, hypocrite? You have none because you're
not worthy.
You have criticized me lately for not forgiving you. IF you REALLY
want my forgiveness, you will issue a sincere apology for repeatedly
calling me a murderer because I voted for President Obama (as is my
right);
for repeatedly calling me a whore for remaining faithful in my
lifelong belief that Yahashua` the Messiah was God incarnate as our
only Saviour (as is also my right) just because you abandoned belief
in him, and for twice plagiarizing my words, and NOT DO THEM AGAIN as
you've done before. These trespasses are the only ones I care about;
the other insults I don't really care about. Oh, and you can apologize
for your recent vague threat as well, instead of trying to weasel out
of it, and not do it again as well.
In Luke 17:3 the Messiah said, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy
brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive
him".
Being the supreme hypocrite and worthless liar that you are, I didn't
guardian Snow
Mat 7:6 “Do not give what is set-apart to the dogs, nor throw your
pearls before the pigs, lest they trample them under their feet, and
turn and tear you in pieces.
Take a hike jezebel... I don't care what you say.
Jer 11:14 “And you, do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or
prayer for them, for I do not hear them in the time that they cry out
to Me because of their evil.
Jer 11:15 “Why should My beloved be in My house – she has done
wickedness with many. And does the set-apart flesh remove your evil
from you? Then you rejoice?
Michael Christ
>Hopefully you figure out that I don't care what you say... I wish you
>well but you are going to be ignored because you have nothing of value
>to say and you have proven that you don't care what the Messiah
>teaches.. you only care about your own delusion.
You are seeing what is inherent within yourself, Snow.
So lets bring some reality into it, off you go and fulfill your 10
commandments.
Your religion is you don't need a Saviour, so come back when you have
overcome and show everyone how we can save ourselves.
At the moment you are just embarrassing yourself and up to your eyeballs in
the mud of self-righteousness and hypocrisy. You are pretending you have
something...based on imperfection = delusion.
If you want to know why Linda is so wounded by you, it is because you are a
stiff-necked shallow ignorant pretence that she (in her own way) tried to
help, and all you want to do is sell your self-raising rancid flour.
Go and fulfill the 10 commandments and stop verbally wanking...walk in your
talk, word and deed it buddy, if you be of the truth.
Michael Christ
Linda Lee
> On Oct 23, 8:30 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Mat 7:6 “Do not give what is set-apart to the dogs, nor throw your
> pearls before the pigs, lest they trample them under their feet, and
> turn and tear you in pieces.
>
> Take a hike jezebel... I don't care what you say.
LOL. Now it's jezebel, just like your like friend, the crazy raging
Lying Ike.
>
> Jer 11:14 “And you, do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or
> prayer for them, for I do not hear them in the time that they cry out
> to Me because of their evil.
> Jer 11:15 “Why should My beloved be in My house – she has done
> wickedness with many. And does the set-apart flesh remove your evil
> from you? Then you rejoice?
You really are an idiot and a hypocrite, Snowjob. If you had meant
anything you say, you'd apologize; but you mean nothing you say;
you're simply an antichrist hypocrite and a despicable manipulative
liar.
Michael Christ
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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On Oct 23, 8:30 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
Mat 7:6 �Do not give what is set-apart to the dogs, nor throw your
pearls before the pigs, lest they trample them under their feet, and
turn and tear you in pieces.
Take a hike jezebel... I don't care what you say.
Jer 11:14 �And you, do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or
prayer for them, for I do not hear them in the time that they cry out
to Me because of their evil.
Jer 11:15 �Why should My beloved be in My house � she has done
wickedness with many. And does the set-apart flesh remove your evil
from you? Then you rejoice?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Take a hike and take the scriptures with you and go and fulfill your 10
commandments, and stop disgracefully beating up on women.
Michael Christ
Linda Lee
> Snow wrote:
> >Hopefully you figure out that I don't care what you say... I wish you
> >well but you are going to be ignored because you have nothing of value
> >to say and you have proven that you don't care what the Messiah
> >teaches.. you only care about your own delusion.
>
> You are seeing what is inherent within yourself, Snow.
>
> So lets bring some reality into it, off you go and fulfill your 10
> commandments.
>
> Your religion is you don't need a Saviour, so come back when you have
> overcome and show everyone how we can save ourselves.
>
> At the moment you are just embarrassing yourself and up to your eyeballs in
> the mud of self-righteousness and hypocrisy. You are pretending you have
> something...based on imperfection = delusion.
>
> If you want to know why Linda is so wounded by you, it is because you are a
> stiff-necked shallow ignorant pretence that she (in her own way) tried to
> help, and all you want to do is sell your self-raising rancid flour.
I'm not wounded by him at all; aggravated would be a better word. I
wanted to see if he meant what he said when he said I should forgive
him, and we should reprove others of their sins, etc.; I was sure he
was BS-ing as usual, just putting on a show designed to make him look
good and Christians look bad, but I gave him the chance to prove what
he was saying by repenting and apologizing for certain things, instead
he proved himself to be a hypocritical liar as ALWAYS.
guardian Snow
> Take a hike and take the scriptures with you and go and fulfill your 10
> commandments, and stop disgracefully beating up on women.
>
> Michael Christ
Michael, I've been exceptionally kind and patient with this STALKER.
She's DEMANDING that I apologize for calling her a person that
supports murder because she supports abortion. Over the past year I
apologized about that comment on a couple of occations and now she is
saying she wants "a sincere apology".... we'll she can get stuffed
with her lies, her attacks and her hypocritical behaviour where
everyday she labels me exactly what she is... an antichrist, a liar
and she's just plain flat out EVIL.
Jer 11:14 “And you, do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or
prayer for them, for I do not hear them in the time that they cry out
to Me because of their evil.
Because of her unforgiveness and relentless attacks I shall now pray
for JUSTICE to fall on this little JEZEBEL that she is. All that I've
asked for A YEAR NOW is that she post to somebody else and she has no
respect for that... how long would you tolerate me posting behind
every post you made for A YEAR???
You can stop being a hypocrite.... I would not apologize AGAIN to this
sick witch!
Michael Christ
On Oct 23, 9:24 am, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
> Take a hike and take the scriptures with you and go and fulfill your 10
> commandments, and stop disgracefully beating up on women.
>
> Michael Christ
Michael, I've been exceptionally kind and patient with this STALKER.
She's DEMANDING that I apologize for calling her a person that
supports murder because she supports abortion. Over the past year I
apologized about that comment on a couple of occations and now she is
saying she wants "a sincere apology".... we'll she can get stuffed
with her lies, her attacks and her hypocritical behaviour where
everyday she labels me exactly what she is... an antichrist, a liar
and she's just plain flat out EVIL.
Jer 11:14 �And you, do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or
prayer for them, for I do not hear them in the time that they cry out
to Me because of their evil.
Because of her unforgiveness and relentless attacks I shall now pray
for JUSTICE to fall on this little JEZEBEL that she is. All that I've
asked for A YEAR NOW is that she post to somebody else and she has no
respect for that... how long would you tolerate me posting behind
every post you made for A YEAR???
You can stop being a hypocrite.... I would not apologize AGAIN to this
sick witch!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I told you, you have wounded her...deeply. Her actions show you that. She
is a weaker vessel, which doesn't mean she is less by the way.
Anyway..............it is always ALL about God.
He is speaking to you about you.
Believe it or not.....................................Linda and you have the
same spirit.
Put your Bible away and all your doctrines and fast and pray. Or else
continue as you have and do things your way.
Unless you change tack Snow, I am not going to be tossing you a baseball on
the other side.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> Unless you change tack Snow, I am not going to be tossing you a baseball on
> the other side.
>
> Michael Christ
But thats just it, I did just change tact and she can burn for all I
care. I've tried to be helpful, patient and kind and that doesn't
work with this Jezebel from hell. I don't care that she post threads
and speaks of me on a daily bases but spamming lies behind all my post
and stalking me across other boards as she is doing.. pretending she
wants an apology when the little witch just wants to attack people and
try to hurt them... If she's not attacking me she is attacking
somebody else.
Jezebel can DEMAND apologies until she rots in HELL all she wants, she
gets what she deserves. I think its sad and ironic that this evil
little witch gets on daily and spreads her venom of hatred and then
has the NERVE to demand that OTHER PEOPLE apologize to her as if it's
a sin to have an opinion.
You are entitled to believe as you wish Mike.. I believe in treating
people with respect but she is not ... she is an evil little MONSTER
that has spent an entire year dwelling on the same topic, frozen in
her hatred and unforgivingness.... Now she gets an eye for and eye
and we can both trade barbs until she learns that I am just as
relentless as she is and more. Maybe thats why she loves posting to
me when I've asked her not to for A YEAR NOW.
No.. If anything, she needs to either actually wake up and follow the
teachings she claims she does and show it or she can log on and get it
right back in her face.
Michael Christ
This has not about Linda.
This is about God and you.
WAKE
UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael Christ
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guardian Snow
> You're not listening Snow.
>
> This has not about Linda.
>
> This is about God and you.
My faith is just fine:) Thank you Michael. While I can appreciate
what you are attempting to tell me, you are not the one walking in my
shoes. If Linda wants all out war and endless post of name calling
then she needs to be prepared to reap what she sows.
Linda Lee
You are a liar Snowjob. You never sincerely apologized and immediately
called me the same names in other threads I guess you didn't think I
would see, just as you didn't think I'd see my words you plagiarized.
And you and your buddy the tirading Lying Ike are idiots to call me
Jezebel since I don't preach to eat things sacrificed to idols nor for
Jews to fornicate with Gentiles. What a moron you are. You cannot
refrain from exposing yourself, hypocrite. Better go back to
pretending you're above the behavior you're now exhibiting.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because
thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat
things sacrificed unto idols.
But then you still have a chance to act right for a change and
apologize. (Let me give you a hint, since I doubt you have no idea
what a sincere-sounding apology/repentance sounds like. This is an
example: "I'm sorry I called you a whore because you refused to
renounce Christ. I did so because I was frustrated that I had changed
my beliefs and thought you should too. I am sorry I called you a
murderer because you voted for President Obama, I dislike his policies
intensely and felt you should vote for the candidate I thought was the
better choice. I was wrong to insist you believe everything I believe.
I am sorry I stole/plagiarized your writings regarding Paul, I did so
because I just failed to resist temptation. I meant to reword them the
second time, but failed to do so, and just accidentally tacked a quote
of your post I had saved onto the end of my post after my signature.)
Linda Lee
What a pack of lies. Who could believe your apology when within the
hour you went into another thread and called me the same names? Do you
deny that, liar? Do you not remember what you do from one minute to
the next? Do you really see yourself as kind and patient; if so,
you're extremely demented. You have attacked Debra and me and Merlin
and many, many others, but you think you're kind and patient and holy.
That's very sad.
You are the liar Snowjob. You never sincerely apologized and
immediately called me the same names in other threads I guess you
didn't think I would see, just as you didn't think I'd see my words
you plagiarized.
And you and your buddy the tirading Lying Ike are idiots to call me
Jezebel since I don't preach to eat things sacrificed to idols nor for
Jews to fornicate with Gentiles. What a moron you are. You cannot
refrain from exposing yourself, hypocrite. Better go back to
pretending you're above the behavior you're now exhibiting.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because
thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat
things sacrificed unto idols.
Obviously you want an excuse to go on a major attack and will not
repent; you've held back your evil for too long, and it is not
surprising that asking you to repent and change has infuriated your
demons. I think we've all known people like that, who become very
offended and react violently if they are asked to change their evil
ways and mend fences.
But then you still have a chance to act right for a change and
apologize. (Let me give you a hint, since I doubt you have no idea
what a sincere-sounding apology/repentance sounds like. This is an
example: "I'm sorry I called you a whore because you refused to
renounce Christ. I did so because I was frustrated that I had changed
my beliefs and thought you should too. I am sorry I called you a
murderer because you voted for President Obama, I dislike his policies
intensely and felt you should vote for the candidate I thought was the
better choice. I was wrong to insist you believe everything I believe.
I am sorry I stole/plagiarized your writings regarding Paul, I did so
because I just failed to resist temptation. I meant to reword them the
second time, but failed to do so, and just accidentally tacked a quote
of your post I had saved onto the end of my post after my signature.)
You have criticized me lately for not forgiving you. IF you REALLY
guardian Snow
> But then you still have a chance to act right for a change and
> apologize. (
And since you already know that is not going to happen, go burn in
Hell with the other baby killers.
If you would like to hear more, please continue to post to me you
Jezebel Witch. Apologize to a witch like you, get a life. You are the
one that needs to beg for my forgiveness, you are the one that given
false witness and told heaps of lies over your YEAR of STALKING ME.
Don't want to hear it, don't post to me.. want more you SADISTIC
SICKO... I know you do and that is why you will continue to spread
your HATRED.
I do not practice your false religion, get over it...
Trinity subscribing “Christians” must make Orwellian leaps of circular
logic to believe that Jesus is a deity that sought worship. They have
to ignore most of what he taught and dwell in a mistranslation of
scriptures from a completely unreliable PAGAN source, the Roman
Catholic Church of the 3rd Century that was in fact a POLYTHEISTIC
society.
The fact that the Greek text was either altered or based on a
completely unrelated religion to the Hebrew faith is undisputable and
explains why the modern church worships “Jesus” who’s name is never
even mentioned in Hebrew. This primary alteration becomes obvious
when one takes into account that Zechariah recorded the name of the
coming Messiah as Yehoshua in Zechariah 6:11-12.
Then you have the alteration of the removal of the name of Yehoshua’s
deity, YAHWEH that becomes easily demonstrated to any person that
would bother to research even a cursory passage like:
Mar 12:35 And YEHOSHUA responding, said, while teaching in the Set-
apart Place, “How is it that the scribes say that the Messiah is the
Son of Dawiḏ?
Mar 12:36 “Daviḏ himself said by the Set-apart Spirit, YAHWEH said to
my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a
footstool of Your feet.” ’
We know what David said in Hebrew, it’s recorded in Psalm 110. That
the Messiah sits at the RIGHT hand of power must also be ignored by
those who would tell you that you must worship Jesus.
Where did his master sit? At his right hand… what does Yehoshua
teach?
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and
be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my
RIGHT HAND, and on my left, is NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be GIVEN
TO THEM for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Only YHWH can give title and authority to sit at his right hand.
Yehoshua did not have authority to give what was not his to give.
Mar 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE
TO GIVE; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Confirmed by two witnesses!
Mar 14:62 And Yehoshua said, I am and ye shall see the Son of man
sitting on the RIGHT HAND of power, and coming in the clouds of
heaven.
Mar 16:19 So then after Yehoshua had spoken unto them, he was received
up into heaven, and sat on the RIGHT HAND of YHWH.
We see that just as Psalm 110 reads, the Messiah sits at the RIGHT
HAND of Power, YHWH! But.. I would point out that the entire 144,000
are at the right hand. Yehoshua is not alone in his esteem and as
I’ve pointed out on many occasions, “God” is a mistranslation that
“Christians” must cling to because it takes the plural Elohim, which
ALL are part of to make a singular deity but even Moses was Elohim and
we don’t worship him.
Exo 7:1 So YAHWEH said to Mosheh, “See, I have made you an elohim1 to
Pharaoh, and Aharon your brother is your prophet. Footnote: 1Or mighty
one – see footnote at 4:16.
The King James Perversion of scriptures and all those based in it are
simply lies. Trinity practicing Christians have no desire for the
truth and so they continue to deny these very simple facts.
Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are
not consumed.
Then you have the fact that Yehoshua cried out to and prayed to his
deity that he acknowledged usually as, “the Father” and he said that
he was “in heaven” while he was on earth.
Mat 6:9 “This, then, is the way you should pray: ‘Our Father who is in
the heavens, let Your Name be set-apart,
(King James perVersion) Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour, Iesus
cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, Lamasabachthani, that is to
say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
That he had a diety and was unable to do anything of his own, are not
traits of the Almighty Yahweh who is a SPIRIT according to John.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Further… Christians must believe that the Messiah never actually died
because the dead do not resurrect themselves by the very definition of
the word. No, there was a power greater than him that performed the
Miracle and Luke plainly speaks to this:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, a
man approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
A clearly says he is a man, NOT A DEITY. So, I honor the Messiah by
keeping his teachings as they were put down in the Good News and by
his own words we are NOT to receive him as creator Father but the one
who SENT him.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Then who should we serve?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
This is easily confirmed in that passage all Trinity Christians must
ignore:
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
He never said, “worship me”.
Isa 45:15 Truly You are El, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of IsraEL,
Saviour!
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Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
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Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Always look at what you have left. Never look at what you have lost.
Robert H. Schuller
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Luk 9:5 “And as for those who do not receive you, when you go out of
that city, shake off the dust from your feet as a witness against
them.” 6 And going out they went through the villages, bringing the
Good News and healing everywhere.
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download of the Restored Names King James Version
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
Tony Robbins
Some people hate and expect affection
Some people lie and demand the truth
I gotta ask myself if it's soul deception
Is this the natural thing that we all just do
We take such pleasure from pain,
I'm just tired of playing that game
Some things you've got to change
Chorus:
You've got to stand and deliver, with your body and soul
Stand and deliver, just give me something to hold
Stand and deliver, if the truth can be told
We can make it together, if we stand - stand and deliver
Linda Lee
wrote:
> On Oct 24, 3:23 am,LindaLee<lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > But then you still have a chance to act right for a change and
> > apologize. (
>
> And since you already know that is not going to happen, go burn in
> Hell with the other baby killers.
There you go again, implying I'm a murderer again. You're really sorry
you ever said that, aren't you, you nasty hypocrite? LOL. What a lying
control freak you are; evidence of your low moral character and mental
deficiency.
For your information (not that I owe you any explanation for voting
the way I see fit since every American has the right to vote for the
candidate of their choice), I did not vote for President Obama for any
political reasons.
Although I have always preferred the Democratic candidates, I have
never voted before and most surely never will vote again. I am totally
apolitical, and I voted for President Obama for other reasons. I voted
for him because I thought having a black President would show blacks
that blacks truly did finally achieve equality in the United States
and would do much to improve relations between blacks and whites and
so would have a far-reaching effect on the improvement of life in the
USA.
And even though President Obama is only half-black, bigots like
yourself, see a half-black as black, so it is good enough to have the
desired effect (yes effect, not affect).
So stuff it, bigot.
>
> If you would like to hear more, please continue to post to me you
> Jezebel Witch. Apologize to a witch like you, get a life. You are the
> one that needs to beg for my forgiveness, you are the one that given
> false witness and told heaps of lies over your YEAR of STALKING ME.
You are a liar, Snowjob. I have never lied about you nor witnessed
falsely against you.
Your entire post here is confirmation you do not repent either of
calling me a whore for believing in the Messiah nor for calling me a
murderer for voting for President Obama, and that you are trying to
justify having called me a murderer and a whore and are doing so
again. I don't know how evil hypocrites like yourself live with
yourselves.
Most people are not as stupid as you seem to think
they are Snowjob. Most adults know that people who have truly repented
of something do NOT react with the rage you're displaying when they
are asked to apologize; they would simply apologize and try to
convince the person they are truly sorry. You reveal yourself to be
the evil liar and hypocrite that you are with your vicious reaction to
a request for a real apology and a promise not to do the same again.
>
> Don't want to hear it, don't post to me.. want more you SADISTIC
> SICKO... I know you do and that is why you will continue to spread
> your HATRED.
Do you realize that your hatred is showing big-time, hypocrite? I am
not even angry. You are acting predictably to anyone who has been
watching you.
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshuahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
>
> Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
> a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
> Shalom,
Shalom! What hypocrisy.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
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Kaibilly
> Have it your way then Snow.
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
> news:21c6a4ff-d38b-4b8f...@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 23, 11:03 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> > You're not listening Snow.
>
> > This has not about Linda.
>
> > This is about God and you.
>
> My faith is just fine:) Thank you Michael. While I can appreciate
> what you are attempting to tell me, you are not the one walking in my
> shoes. If Linda wants all out war and endless post of name calling
> then she needs to be prepared to reap what she sows.
You have to admit, her behavior isn't something I would encourage my
children to do. Hopefully if people are asked to be left alone, other
people would have some respect and common decency but it's the same
things everytime.... Linda is always calling somebody a liar and a
slew of names.