Re: Creation can be taught -when they correct the stories and PROVE a god exists AND actually something too.
ThomM
> ThomM wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 6:26 pm, monkfish <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
> >> ThomMadura wrote:
> >> > On 2/26/2011 3:37 PM, monkfish wrote:
> >> >> ThomMadura wrote:
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> >> >>> On 2/26/2011 10:20 AM, monkfish wrote:
> >> >>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:04:58 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >> >>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:41:04 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >> >>>>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:59:24 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >> >>>>>>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>> ThomM wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 11:52 am, monkfish<monkf...@everywhere.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ThomMadura wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/25/2011 9:47 AM, monkfish wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:29:15 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:11:38 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:56:11 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:33:38 +0000 (UTC),
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkfish <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ThomM wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not believe in Humpty Dumpty or the easter
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunny or the easter god either.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you need God.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Define God.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is definable?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you define existence?
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Define God.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you at least define yourself?
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's very naughty.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to define God so I can ridicule your ideas.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are clueless about God.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that your definition of yourself?
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is clueless?
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your misunderstanding of God is indeed clueless simply
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you are clueless.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Again -feel free to Produce proof that we have a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of "god".
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> THere are NO clues of a god.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> You have no idea what God is.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> NEITHER do YOU as well
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> At least I admit it - you are the one who doesn't
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> God is prior to definition.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know how to define existence?
>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Define God.
>
> >> >>>>>>>> God created everything.
> >> >>>>>>>> Still ungrateful?
>
> >> >>>>>>> Ungrateful for what?
>
> >> >>>>>>> It appears God did not create your brain.
>
> >> >>>>>> Is that why you enjoy laughing at people?
>
> >> >>>>> Do you enjoy being laughed at?
> >> >>>>> You have very strange ideas.
>
> >> >>>> Do you often go around cooking newsgroups to proclaim that you
> >> >>>> hate food?
> >> >>>> So silly.
>
> >> >>> YOUR attempt at analogy fails
>
> >> >>> PEOPLE indeed go to cooking groups to express their feeling about
> >> >>> certain dishes - some like them - and some do not.
>
> >> >>> YOu have very strange ideas
>
> >> >> You are like a child who just realized that he does not have to love
> >> >> his parents.
>
> >> > Actually - I have always loved my parents - and never found a time
> >> > when I should not
>
> >> > Only a person like YOU would suggest such a thing
>
> >> >> You don't have to believe in god.
>
> >> > Yes - because none are proven to exist
>
> >> If you believe that
> >> this your misunderstanding of God does not exist,
>
> > IF you believe one does - By all means post that list of all the things
> > YOU can prove I misunderstand - along with the proof - and the proof of
> > you fairy tale character as well.
>
> > While you are at it - I am still waiting for YOU to answer this
> > question too
>
> > What is it YOUR almighty can do everything nothing is impossible for all
> > knowing: past - resent and future god can do - today - that it had NO
> > PRIOR Knowledge of before he did it?
>
> > THAT is something both YOU and I CAN DO - that as defined your god myth
> > should have the same ability.
>
> If you manage to turn hatred into love,
> you would be able to feel God's presence.
Since none are proven to exist - NO one can
monkfish
Never been able to manage
to turn hatred into love?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
Why would you want to change something made by a God of love?
>--
>monkfish
ThomM
I have that ability - that has NOTING to do with your spooks though
ThomM
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 02:20:44 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>
>
>
THERE is nothing proven to have been made by a fairy tale -
I await to see how you prove that fairy tales make things - it should
be convoluted nonsense
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God did not make hatred.
Any idea who did?
--
monkfish
monkfish
It just looks that way
because you are still full of hatred.
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>Never been able to manage
>>>to turn hatred into love?
>>
>> Why would you want to change something made by a God of love?
>
>
>You misunderstood.
>God did not make hatred.
>Any idea who did?
Please tell me.
Was this person made by god?
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
Everything is made by God.
Some even with free will.
--
monkfish
Pastor Dave
<monk...@everywhere.org> spake thusly:
You know, I have been trying to understand you,
but I am unable to. I mean no offense, but it seems
as if you send a lot of posts, but don't actually say
anything. Just a couple of lines and that's it.
--
Pastor Dave
The best Bible software: http://www.theword.net/ is free!
"Biologists are not the only scientists who, having made
extravagant claims about their merchandise, deliver the
goods in bite-sized packages. Nor are they the only
manufacturers of knowledge who cannot be bothered to
pick up a return package when the product turns out
to be faulty. Sagan's own branch of science is in
the same business. Anxious to revive a failing public
interest in spending large amounts on space research,
NASA scientists, followed by the President of the United
States, made an immense fuss about the discovery
of some organic molecules on a Mars rock. There is
(was) life (of some rudimentary kind) on Mars (maybe)!
Can little green men in space machines be far behind?
If it turns out, as already suggested by some scientists,
that these molecules are earthly contaminants, or were
produced in non-living chemical systems, this fact surely
will not be announced at a White House press conference,
or even above the fold in The New York Times."
- Richard Lewontin
monkfish
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> <monk...@everywhere.org> spake thusly:
>
>
>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Never been able to manage
>>>>>>to turn hatred into love?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you want to change something made by a God of love?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You misunderstood.
>>>>God did not make hatred.
>>>>Any idea who did?
>>>
>>> Please tell me.
>>> Was this person made by god?
>>
>>
>>Everything is made by God.
>>Some even with free will.
>
> You know, I have been trying to understand you, but I am unable to. I
> mean no offense, but it seems as if you send a lot of posts, but don't
> actually say anything. Just a couple of lines and that's it.
Case by case, always.
IMHO not just God's will but even God's truth
needs to be found case by case.
Are we allowed to charge interest?
--
monkfish
Pastor Dave
<monk...@everywhere.org> spake thusly:
Okay, well that's enough for me to put you in my kill file.
--
Pastor Dave
The best Bible software: http://www.theword.net/ is free!
"For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near,
a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. And
the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall
be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and
they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations
shall be broken down." - Ezekiel 30:3-4 (prophecy about
Egypt, fulfilled in 480 B.C.)
monkfish
Thanks.
I usually leave Fundamentalists alone
no matter how misguided they are.
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>>>>Never been able to manage
>>>>>to turn hatred into love?
>>>>
>>>> Why would you want to change something made by a God of love?
>>>
>>>
>>>You misunderstood.
>>>God did not make hatred.
>>>Any idea who did?
>>
>> Please tell me.
>> Was this person made by god?
>
>
>Everything is made by God.
>Some even with free will.
What do you yhink free will is?
Is free will free?
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>> <monk...@everywhere.org> spake thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Never been able to manage
>>>>>>>to turn hatred into love?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you want to change something made by a God of love?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You misunderstood.
>>>>>God did not make hatred.
>>>>>Any idea who did?
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me.
>>>> Was this person made by god?
>>>
>>>
>>>Everything is made by God.
>>>Some even with free will.
>>
>> You know, I have been trying to understand you, but I am unable to. I
>> mean no offense, but it seems as if you send a lot of posts, but don't
>> actually say anything. Just a couple of lines and that's it.
>
>
>Case by case, always.
>IMHO not just God's will but even God's truth
>needs to be found case by case.
Also your will as propagated through God and lies blamed on God.
>Are we allowed to charge interest?
If you can get anyone interested.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
You need to steer clear of yourself then.
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Never been able to manage
>>>>>>to turn hatred into love?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you want to change something made by a God of love?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You misunderstood.
>>>>God did not make hatred.
>>>>Any idea who did?
>>>
>>> Please tell me.
>>> Was this person made by god?
>>
>>
>>Everything is made by God.
>>Some even with free will.
>
> What do you yhink free will is?
> Is free will free?
Are you asking what it means
for you to be free to will to do something?
First thing first.
Any idea what it means
for you to will to do something?
--
monkfish
monkfish
You might be a physicalist fundie.
Should all proofs be physicalistic?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
I'm asking you.
What do you think free will is?
Is free will free?
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
I'm asking you.
Any idea what it is that is free?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
I asked first.
What do you think free will is?
Is free will free?
>--
>monkfish
ThomMadura
Provide anything that can be tested, repeated - and verified
monkfish
Free from what?
Don't you need to know first
what it is that can be free?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Do you have any idea how to test
the existence of nine dimensions?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
Fre to be free.
>Don't you need to know first
>what it is that can be free?
Will.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>ThomMadura wrote:
>> Provide anything that can be tested, repeated - and verified
>
>
>Do you have any idea how to test
>the existence of nine dimensions?
Name them.
In reality we have height, depth, width, and some say time.
That's three or four.
Can you give a name to your fictional dimensions.
>--
>monkfish
ThomMadura
THe dimension you want to measure is called LENGTH
If you have nine lines of different length - use a ruler
Did you attend First grade?
monkfish
Any idea what it is that wills?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 03:16:43 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>ThomMadura wrote:
>
>>> Provide anything that can be tested, repeated - and verified
>>
>>
>>Do you have any idea how to test
>>the existence of nine dimensions?
>
> Name them.
> In reality we have height, depth, width, and some say time. That's three
> or four.
> Can you give a name to your fictional dimensions.
There are more things in the world
than you can begin to imagine.
Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
"String theories also require the existence
of several extra, unobservable, dimensions
to the universe, in addition to the usual
four spacetime dimensions."
--
monkfish
monkfish
You might be too ignorant
for me to bother with you.
Get more educated soon, please.
Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 03:13:41 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I'm asking you.
>>>>>> What do you think free will is?
>>>>>> Is free will free?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm asking you.
>>>>>Any idea what it is that is free?
>>>>
>>>> I asked first.
>>>> What do you think free will is?
>>>> Is free will free?
>>>
>>>
>>>Free from what?
>>
>> Fre to be free.
>>
>>>Don't you need to know first
>>>what it is that can be free?
>>
>> Will.
>
>
>Any idea what it is that wills?
The brain.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
"The theory has yet to make testable experimental predictions,
which a theory must do in order to be considered a part of science."
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:49:19 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 03:13:41 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I'm asking you.
>>>>>>> What do you think free will is?
>>>>>>> Is free will free?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm asking you.
>>>>>>Any idea what it is that is free?
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked first.
>>>>> What do you think free will is?
>>>>> Is free will free?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Free from what?
>>>
>>> Fre to be free.
>>>
>>>>Don't you need to know first
>>>>what it is that can be free?
>>>
>>> Will.
>>
>>
>>Any idea what it is that wills?
>
> The brain.
The live one?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:55:23 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 03:16:43 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>>>ThomMadura wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Provide anything that can be tested, repeated - and verified
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you have any idea how to test
>>>>the existence of nine dimensions?
>>>
>>> Name them.
>>> In reality we have height, depth, width, and some say time. That's
>>> three or four.
>>> Can you give a name to your fictional dimensions.
>>
>>
>>There are more things in the world
>>than you can begin to imagine.
>>
>>Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory "String theories also
>>require the existence of several extra, unobservable, dimensions to the
>>universe, in addition to the usual four spacetime dimensions."
>
> "The theory has yet to make testable experimental predictions, which a
> theory must do in order to be considered a part of science."
Exactly.
There are more things in the world
than we can begin to imagine.
All things in the worlds are
much more inter-connected
than we can begin to imagine.
--
monkfish
Barry
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
No. You tell me.
>--
>monkfish
Barry
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
The brain is what wills.
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
It is you.
By the grace of God.
Are you in and of the world?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Even when it is dead?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
A functioning brain is what wills.
What do you think free will is?
Is free will free?
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
Free in what way?
>By the grace of God.
Is grace good?
>Are you in and of the world?
Depends what you mean.
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
Have you seen a live brain without a body?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Are you the world?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>>>>>>>Any idea what it is that wills?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The live one?
>>>>
>>>> The brain is what wills.
>>>
>>>
>>>Even when it is dead?
>>
>> A functioning brain is what wills.
>>
>> What do you think free will is?
>> Is free will free?
>
>
>Have you seen a live brain without a body?
Your point being?
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
Depends what you mean.
>-
>monkfish
ThomMadura
> Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 03:16:43 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>>> ThomMadura wrote:
>>
>>>> Provide anything that can be tested, repeated - and verified
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea how to test
>>> the existence of nine dimensions?
>>
>> Name them.
>> In reality we have height, depth, width, and some say time. That's three
>> or four.
>> Can you give a name to your fictional dimensions.
>
>
> There are more things in the world
> than you can begin to imagine.
And yet - there are FAIRY TALES TOO
Not everything YOU hear is true - and certainly not everything YOU say
is true either
ThomM
> ThomMadura wrote:
> > On 2/28/2011 10:16 PM, monkfish wrote:
> >> ThomMadura wrote:
>
> >>> On 2/28/2011 2:30 PM, monkfish wrote:
> >>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:40:37 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >>>>> <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Pastor Dave wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:30:31 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>
> >>>>>>>> Pastor Dave wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
The more I learn - the more I learn that supernatural gods are fairy
tales and religion is MYTH
However - I do - as required by law - attend continuing education
classes every year.
I have also taught such classes in my field of medicine
WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963
ThomM
> Barry OGrady wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:55:23 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> > <monkf...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>
> >>Barry OGrady wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 03:16:43 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
> >>>>ThomMadura wrote:
>
> >>>>> Provide anything that can be tested, repeated - and verified
>
> >>>>Do you have any idea how to test
> >>>>the existence of nine dimensions?
>
> >>> Name them.
> >>> In reality we have height, depth, width, and some say time. That's
> >>> three or four.
> >>> Can you give a name to your fictional dimensions.
>
> >>There are more things in the world
> >>than you can begin to imagine.
>
> >>require the existence of several extra, unobservable, dimensions to the
> >>universe, in addition to the usual four spacetime dimensions."
>
> > "The theory has yet to make testable experimental predictions, which a
> > theory must do in order to be considered a part of science."
>
> Exactly.
THANK you for agreeing that gods are not science - they are FAIRY
TALES
> There are more things in the world
> than we can begin to imagine.
But still no proof of any being gods
THE idea that something could exist - fails to support it does. IT is
simply another logical error.
After all - the ROman Pantheon could exist - and yet you claim it does
not.
monkfish
You are not what you think you are.
You are not doing what you think you are doing here.
--
monkfish
monkfish
That's the idea.
All depends on what you think God is.
Do you realize that
you are still clueless about God?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Not everything you doubt is false.
But most things you say here are clueless.
--
monkfish
monkfish
Is that why you are so clueless about spiritual matters?
--
monkfish
monkfish
You are trying a little too hard
to misunderstand spiritual matters.
Ever wondered why you are so full of hate?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:29:44 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any idea what it is that wills?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The live one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The brain is what wills.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Even when it is dead?
>>>>
>>>> A functioning brain is what wills.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think free will is?
>>>> Is free will free?
>>>
>>>
>>>Have you seen a live brain without a body?
>>
>> Your point being?
>
>
>You are not what you think you are.
>You are not doing what you think you are doing here.
How would you know that?
What is your point?
I know you seek attention.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
Define God.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
Monky spank is prior to existence.
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
I'm helping you
to get over your hatred.
--
monkfish
monkfish
No need to let hatred define you.
Let God define you.
--
monkfish
monkfish
You sound hateful.
Would you like to turn hatred into love?
--
monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
I don't mind giving you some attention but I can't give you
all the attention you need.
You might get a better response if you weren't so smug.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
Define God.
>--
>monkfish
Barry OGrady
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963
>>>
>>>
>>>Is that why you are so clueless about spiritual matters?
>>
>> Monky spank is prior to existence.
>
>
>You sound hateful.
>Would you like to turn hatred into love?
You need to learn how to be loveable.
Love must be earned. You don't qualify.
You are not worth hating though.
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
You misunderstood.
I want you to ignore me completely.
But I doubt you can manage that.
--
monkfish
monkfish
As you well know,
God transcends the human definition.
Too afraid to let God define you?
--
monkfish
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God loves you in spite of yourself.
We love you no matter what.
Be grateful.
--
monkfish
Barry
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
You say don't let hatred define me then you say let hate define me.
>---
>monkfish
Barry
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
Just watch me!
I'm ignoring you from now, alright now, ok now.
>--
>monkfish
Barry
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:50:51 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Are you the world?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends what you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's the idea.
>>>>>All depends on what you think God is. Do you realize that you are
>>>>>still clueless about God?
>>>>
>>>> Define God.
>>>
>>>
>>>No need to let hatred define you.
>>>Let God define you.
>>
>> Define God.
>
>
>As you well know,
>God transcends the human definition.
You misunderstand.
God is created and sustained by humans.
Each believer has their own customised version of God.
That's why I need you to define your version of God.
Just be aware that when you define God you are revealing
your own prejudices.
>Too afraid to let God define you?
That's the idea! You believe in a God that can define people.
I'm sure you can find other aspects of your personality you
have assigned to your God.
>--
>monkfish
Barry
<monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
That sort of love is not worth having.
If God loved us he would make everything good for us.
Keep working on it!
>--
>monkfish
gs@bigpond
> On Mar 1, 10:05 am, monkfish wrote:
> > ThomMadura wrote:
> > > On 2/28/2011 10:16 PM, monkfish wrote:
> > >> Do you have any idea how to test
> > >> the existence of nine dimensions?
>
> > > THe dimension you want to measure is called LENGTH
> > > If you have nine lines of different length - use a ruler
>
> > > Did you attend First grade?
>
> > You might be too ignorant for me to bother with you.
> > Get more educated soon, please.
>
> The more I learn - the more I learn that supernatural gods are fairy
> tales and religion is MYTH
You haven't learnt everything there is to know, so the odds are
against you.
Sometime, in the future, it is possible you will come to know that
God
does exist.
>
> However - I do - as required by law - attend continuing education
> classes every year.
> I have also taught such classes in my field of medicine
> WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
> Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963- Hide quoted text -
>
I have been involved in quite a lot of education since 1963, -
some of it innovative, and some needing extra research
that I did not have the time or resources to provide.
Gladys Swager
ThomMadura
> Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:29:44 +0000 (UTC), monkfish
>> <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any idea what it is that wills?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The live one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The brain is what wills.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even when it is dead?
>>>>
>>>> A functioning brain is what wills.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think free will is?
>>>> Is free will free?
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you seen a live brain without a body?
>>
>> Your point being?
>
>
> You are not what you think you are.
He is exactly who is knows he is
IT is gods that are not what YOU think they are
THEY are nothing if they cannot be proven to exist
ThomMadura
However - when something cannot exist as it is defined by those making
the claims - it is false
Most things YOU say here are clueless - and unsupportable
ThomMadura
No - that is WHy you offer no clues that YOU can provide proof for
about the claims of "spiritual" matters
First YOU need to prove a religious "SPirit" exists
POST a list of all the things YOU can prove about your holey ghost
Until now - there have been nothing from you!
monkfish
You misunderstood.
You are still letting hatred define you.
Let God that is love define you.
--
monkfish
monkfish
You sure are clueless
about how to love others.
Hang in there, please.
We will show you how to love enemies.
First, we listen to your suffering.
--
monkfish
monkfish
Still clueless about God?
You even appear to be clueless
about what it means for something
to define you.
No wonder you let hatred define you.
--
monkfish
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God loves us enough
to let us have free will.
Have you ever loved anyone
enough to let her have her way?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Do you at least make sense to yourself?
--
monkfish
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God is prior to existence.
God makes everything possible.
You don't get to define God;
God defines you.
Better learn to listen to God carefully.
--
monkfish
monkfish
You are not listening.
God makes all proofs possible.
Better listen to God carefully
to learn how many ways there are
to prove something.
--
monkfish
ThomMadura
> On Mar 4, 12:21 am, ThomM wrote:
>> On Mar 1, 10:05 am, monkfish wrote:
>>> ThomMadura wrote:
>>>> On 2/28/2011 10:16 PM, monkfish wrote:
>
>>>>> Do you have any idea how to test
>>>>> the existence of nine dimensions?
>>
>>>> THe dimension you want to measure is called LENGTH
>>>> If you have nine lines of different length - use a ruler
>>
>>>> Did you attend First grade?
>>
>>> You might be too ignorant for me to bother with you.
>>> Get more educated soon, please.
>>
>> The more I learn - the more I learn that supernatural gods are fairy
>> tales and religion is MYTH
>
> You haven't learnt everything there is to know, so the odds are
> against you.
No the odds are in MY favor - Gladys
EVERY god so far created by humans - can easily be disproven - and
cannot exist as defined by the claims YOU theists make about them.
TO date - and every day that passes - we have learned more and more
NATURAL explanations for things that occurred. SO - as time goes on -
and we actually learn more-= we eliminate gods.
>>
>> However - I do - as required by law - attend continuing education
>> classes every year.
>> I have also taught such classes in my field of medicine
>> WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
>> Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963- Hide quoted text -
>>
> I have been involved in quite a lot of education since 1963, -
> some of it innovative, and some needing extra research
> that I did not have the time or resources to provide.
Sorry Gladys - YOUR meager education from that time pales to my
education. I may not have the extensive education of my father - which
is even more than mine - but I have TAUGHT at the University graduate
level at two of the most famous Universities.
I have Seven degrees - three of them are Medical Degrees - and there are
two other PHD's in music.
ANd over 20 years of University level Study - plus research that had
been part of my life for over 35 years.
I know my Area of Expertise - which is Neurology - extremely well - and
perform several innovative procedures that I and my father developed.
YOUR education in science does not meet the level of My HIgh School
education
ThomMadura
Do you ever make sense to anyone?
gs@bigpond
> On 3/4/2011 2:08 AM, gs@bigpond wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 12:21 am, ThomM wrote:
> >> On Mar 1, 10:05 am, monkfish wrote:
> >>> ThomMadura wrote:
> EVERY god so far created by humans - can easily be disproven - and
> cannot exist as defined by the claims YOU theists make about them.
> TO date - and every day that passes - we have learned more and more
> NATURAL explanations for things that occurred. SO - as time goes on -
> and we actually learn more-= we eliminate gods.
>
And the scientists doing those studies have been indoctrinated, some
even from
Pre-schools that evolution from unicellular to multicellular organisms
did happen
>
> >> However - I do - as required by law - attend continuing education
> >> classes every year.
> >> I have also taught such classes in my field of medicine
> >> WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
> >> Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963
>
> > I have been involved in quite a lot of education since 1963, -
> > some of it innovative, and some needing extra research
> > that I did not have the time or resources to provide.
>
> Sorry Gladys - YOUR meager education from that time pales to my
> education. I may not have the extensive education of my father - which
> is even more than mine - but I have TAUGHT at the University graduate
> level at two of the most famous Universities.
> I have Seven degrees - three of them are Medical Degrees - and there are
> two other PHD's in music.
> ANd over 20 years of University level Study - plus research that had
> been part of my life for over 35 years.
> I know my Area of Expertise - which is Neurology - extremely well - and
> perform several innovative procedures that I and my father developed.
>
And Neurology hasn't all the answers, as yet.
And it failed in the early post-war years as it imposed ECT
treatments
in a form that came to be rejected by Italian doctor who invented the
treatment. One doctor in NSW used the media to state that he always
counselled patients, when he had not counselled me but left me to
find my own cure as he told my mother, "I was mature beyond my years
and would pull out of the distress I was experiencing having had
Anaemia
(treatment a raw liver extract), and Rheumatic Fever and was in a
state of
extreme exhaustion. I later found my own cure, But the professionals
have not recognised that.
.
> YOUR education in science does not meet the level of My HIgh School
> education -
>
I am not depneding on the level of my Science education. I am
surpised
that you do not recognise that, but then you are filled with the
importance
of your own studies. I have quoted the work of Creation Sciencists
who also have Tertiary level degrees, but have come to reject
some of the information given to them in their studies.
As a teacher I also came to reject some of the information given to
me
in my studies and passed on to School Inspectors and later published
in teaching
manuals. It may have been two or more thinking alike on the same
topic, but
I doubt that in all respects of the work. .
Gladys Swager
monkfish
What on earth were you trying to say
with "He is exactly who is knows he is"?
Were you high on something?
--
monkfish
ThomM
> On Mar 5, 10:50 am, ThomMadura wrote:
>
> > On 3/4/2011 2:08 AM, gs@bigpond wrote:
> > > On Mar 4, 12:21 am, ThomM wrote:
> > >> On Mar 1, 10:05 am, monkfish wrote:
> > >>> ThomMadura wrote:
> > EVERY god so far created by humans - can easily be disproven - and
> > cannot exist as defined by the claims YOU theists make about them.
> > TO date - and every day that passes - we have learned more and more
> > NATURAL explanations for things that occurred. SO - as time goes on -
> > and we actually learn more-= we eliminate gods.
>
> And the scientists doing those studies have been indoctrinated, some
> even from
> Pre-schools that evolution from unicellular to multicellular organisms
> did happen
In no way that YOU can prove Gladys
YOUR claim still remains unsupported BY you and I simply do not accept
things said by you on face value since YOU have deliberately claimed
things that were not true over and over again
>
>
>
> > >> However - I do - as required by law - attend continuing education
> > >> classes every year.
> > >> I have also taught such classes in my field of medicine
> > >> WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
> > >> Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963
>
> > > I have been involved in quite a lot of education since 1963, -
> > > some of it innovative, and some needing extra research
> > > that I did not have the time or resources to provide.
>
> > Sorry Gladys - YOUR meager education from that time pales to my
> > education. I may not have the extensive education of my father - which
> > is even more than mine - but I have TAUGHT at the University graduate
> > level at two of the most famous Universities.
> > I have Seven degrees - three of them are Medical Degrees - and there are
> > two other PHD's in music.
> > ANd over 20 years of University level Study - plus research that had
> > been part of my life for over 35 years.
> > I know my Area of Expertise - which is Neurology - extremely well - and
> > perform several innovative procedures that I and my father developed.
>
> And Neurology hasn't all the answers, as yet.
Nor did I say that -
I simply pointed out that I have extensive education in science and
medicine - and on a continuing basis - and have taugh such courses
and my education is well beyond yours
ANd that is simply the truth
YOU have already admitted and shown that you have NO real science
education - beyond that 2nd grade level you taught 50 years ago -
YOU also admitted YOU have NO education in Evolution - and that you
deliberately failed to educate yourself in that science over the years
YOU certainly do not have any education in genetics
And YOU get all the information you use from RELIGIOUS sites - that
are NOT peer reviewed science sites - and provide no accepted
scientific knowledge.
> .> YOUR education in science does not meet the level of My HIgh School
> > education -
>
> I am not depneding on the level of my Science education.
Since you have almost NONE - I know that one without doubt
I am
> surpised
> that you do not recognise that,
Actually - I have recognized that the ONLY place you get your
information from is religious sourced with which agree with your FAIRY
tales.
And that is NOT scientific information - science is NOT religion
But YOU are the one filled with yourself -
If one were to believe you - your meager education 50 years ago
represents the zenith in knowledge and YOU know everything about
everything
ANd yet - you still provide NO proof of your statements - nor do the
sources you link to -
None have provided a single scientifically acceptable proof for the
existence of a god - NONE AT ALL.
ANd while YOU have made ALL sorts of claims about gods - you cannot
back ANY of them up with any way of having that knowledge - that YOU
can prove as well.
I have quoted the work of Creation Sciencists
Actually - I do recognize where yOU get your NONSENSE _ from religion
- whcih itself is FAIRY TALES - and I have said so repeatedly - and
YOU have failed to provide ANY proof otherwise
I have quoted the work of Creation Sciencists
THERE is NO such thing as a creation scientist - there is NO such
degree or study in science at all.
Creation is NOT science - it is religion - ie - BELIEF in FAIRY TALES
THERE is NOT a single piece of supporting evidence that supports that
a god exists -
MOre important- the stories of creation themselves - of the major
ancient religions - ALL have major provable errors that already
establish them NOT TO BE TRUE- so they ARE fairy tales - pure and
simple.
THE whole first chapter of Genesis - about creation - is so filled
with things that are NOT TRUE - that even YOU had to resort to calling
it a metaphor - ie a FAIRY TALE. However - even the fairy tale is NOT
a metaphor since in many cases it gets things so completely wrong -
that it is NOT even analagous to what OUR solar system (WHich is NOT
in the creation story -) and the OTHER planets (none of those
mentioned in the creation stories) - as well as the physical
attributes of our solar system are DIRECT OPPOSITES of the fairy tales
of babel in the bible.
FOr example - YOU cannot say it is METAPHORICAL to say that our earth
is stationary and UNMOVABLE in the sky - because it not only rotates
on its axis but also ORBITS the sun - the bible is not a metaphor - it
OPPOSES reality. ANd that means that the bible DOES have errors in its
stories.
And in science - when something is established NOT TO BE TRUE - it has
been falsified - and it is UP to the proposer to CORRECT his theory -
taking into account the new information we can prove - and restate his
Hypothesis.
TO date - although already falsified - no one has rewritten the bible
to correct its errors
WHAT they have done is stupidly claim that they are METAPHORS
SCIENCE does NOT deal in metaphors - FICTIONAL WRITING deals with
those.
More important - there is NO evidence that the bible was written to BE
a metaphor - IT - like all the scripture of ancient religion - was
meant to be accepted as FACTUAL - which is it clearly not.
CREATION is a MYTH _ a FAIRY TALE - and No one has proven otherwise
ThomM
NOT at all
I have asked YOU to post things you can prove about them
YOU have posted NOTHING
I have nothing to be clueless about
> No wonder you let hatred define you.
Again - I do not know what YOU are talking about -
I am love
ThomM
Follow the thread above
The person who wrote the message with the FOUR arrows in front of it
was
YOU
"> >>> On 3/3/2011 11:05 AM, monkfish wrote:"
SO - what were YOU high on?
Barry OGrady
Define God.
>--
>monkfish
monkfish
Can love be full of hate?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Incredible.
As I said,
"You are not what you think you are."
--
monkfish
monkfish
Define existence.
--
monkfish
ThomM
Attempt to change the subject noted
Define what YOU mean by the word '"god".?
ThomM
I am exactly who I think I am - I define myself
YOU are probably not a fish though!
monkfish
Get back to me
after you learn English a little more.
--
monkfish
monkfish
Any idea what it is that makes it possible
for you to define yourself?
--
monkfish
ThomM
Having a problem with reading
I never said that
I said "I define myself"
I am who I think I am
And YOU aren't
ThomM
Haha - My Language is AMERICAN - not English
I have no need for an archaic language that was an early basis for
some of MINE - that diverged 400 years ago.
Cannot provide a definition - ?
THAT is because you cannot define something that does NOT exist to
begin with
Barry OGrady
Define YOUR God.
>
>--
>monkfish
gs@bigpond
> > On Mar 4, 12:21 am, ThomM wrote:
> >> On Mar 1, 10:05 am, monkfish wrote:
> >> The more I learn - the more I learn that supernatural gods are fairy
> >> tales and religion is MYTH
>
And as you have not learned everything that can be learnt
it is possible that you have not learnt all there is to know about
the God of the Judeo-Christian faiths and the good those faiths
have brought to the world when people have practised them correctly
in the context of their times.
> > You haven't learnt everything there is to know, so the odds are
> > against you.
>
> No the odds are in MY favor - Gladys
>
Brash over-confidence in yourself. You may change as you become
older.
> EVERY god so far created by humans - can easily be disproven - and
> cannot exist as defined by the claims YOU theists make about them.
>
But God Almighty of the Bible was not created by humans.
God's attributes have not been defined by humans; they have been
revealed
to humans by God Himself.
> TO date - and every day that passes - we have learned more and more
> NATURAL explanations for things that occurred. SO - as time goes on -
> and we actually learn more-= we eliminate gods.
>
We do not have to eliminate God Almighty of the Bible as we learn more
about
His creation and ourselves as we function in part of that creation.
You are on top, (evidently) of your profession, but I am aware that
Neurologists
do not know everything as I consulted with one a few months ago.
He admitted that he had problems with his own memory so couldn't help
me
with mine. If there had been more time I may have been able to help
him
with his memory.
>
> >> However - I do - as required by law - attend continuing education
> >> classes every year.
> >> I have also taught such classes in my field of medicine
> >> WHEN is the last time YOU attended classes
> >> Maybe you are like Gladys - stuck in 1963
>
There is one thing about you and that is you make judgements
that you cannot substantiate. I am not stuck in 1963. A lot of water
has gone under the bridge in the 47 years since then
> > I have been involved in quite a lot of education since 1963.
Is that the year you finished Secondary schooling??
I have done the studies that should give me a Bachelor of Education
degree but I did those studies before Teacher education became
a four year University course. I am more qualified in some aspects of
edcuation than present-day graduates as I made some innovative
improvements during my teaching career.
I also made improvements in the area of Psychiatry that enabled me
to recover from ECT Shock treatments with nine of them given
without anaesthetic, and no memory recall for twenty-five years. .
I am thankful for the understandings I was given in St Andrews
Anglican
Cathedral (Sydney) Healing Ministry in prayer for healing
as John 14 : 12(b).
I became the advocate of reform in respect of the inadequate
treatments
given prior to the 1970's. There are now better recovery programmes
as well as prevention programmes.
> > some of it innovative, and some needing extra research
> > that I did not have the time or resources to provide.
>
> Sorry Gladys - YOUR meager education from that time pales to my
> education.
You are boasting. Yes, some do have the opportuntiy for advanced
research,
but having taught slower learning children I have encouraged them to
believe
that as they give good service to others in whatever work they do
they are just as worthy as those who were able to gain high Tertiary
degrees,
My father with only primary education became a very sucessful poultry
farmer
and provided good food to many people.
<Boasting again>
> YOUR education in science does not meet the level of My HIgh School
> education
I chose to teach at the younger age level and made some changes that
helped children to achieve at higher levels than previously.
That matches in benefit to others what you have done.
You need to gain some humility and not to think of yourself as more
important than others. We all work in our societies and if we all do
what we know is best then our societies benefit from that work.
Gladys Swager
gs@bigpond
> On Mar 4, 8:00 pm, "gs@bigpond" wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 10:50 am, ThomMadura wrote:
> > > EVERY god so far created by humans - can easily be disproven - and
> > > cannot exist as defined by the claims YOU theists make about them.
> > > TO date - and every day that passes - we have learned more and more
> > > NATURAL explanations for things that occurred. SO - as time goes on -
> > > and we actually learn more-= we eliminate gods.
>
And the God of the Bible was not 'created by humans'.
It is the other way - God created the humans
> > And the scientists doing those studies have been indoctrinated, some
> > even from Pre-schools that evolution from unicellular to multicellular
> > organisms did happen
>
> In no way that YOU can prove Gladys
>
The evidence is in the school texts that the children use for their
studies,
I tutored with them during a period of a little over twenty years.
I know what I have read.
> YOUR claim still remains unsupported BY you and I simply do not accept
> things said by you on face value since YOU have deliberately claimed
> things that were not true over and over again
>
And what are the things I have claimed to be true that you know
by the 'scientific proof' that you have to be false?.
>
> > I am not depending on the level of my Science education.
>
> Actually - I have recognized that the ONLY place you get your
> information from is religious sourced with which agree with your FAIRY
> tales. And that is NOT scientific information - science is NOT religion
>
However, the Bible has information on many aspects of life
and some information that is relevant for life today in our modern
societies.
>
> None have provided a single scientifically acceptable proof for the
> existence of a god - NONE AT ALL.
>
The proof of God is in the experiences of the people whose lives
are featured in the pages of the Bible and in our own lives as we
have
trusted in God.
> ANd while YOU have made ALL sorts of claims about gods - you cannot
> back ANY of them up with any way of having that knowledge - that YOU
> can prove as well.
>
I can prove the existence of God in my own life's story.
> I have quoted the work of Creation Sciencists
>
> Actually - I do recognize where yOU get your NONSENSE _ from religion
> - whcih itself is FAIRY TALES - and I have said so repeatedly - and
> YOU have failed to provide ANY proof otherwise
> THERE is NO such thing as a creation scientist - there is NO such
> degree or study in science at all.
> Creation is NOT science - it is religion - ie - BELIEF in FAIRY TALES
>
Scientists with degrees are assessing the science they have learnt and
the
research they are doing. They have a legitimate right to do those
studies.
As an atheist, I assume you are that, you have stated your belief,
but you have not given any proof of it.
You do not have scientific proof that God does not exist.
You do not have scientific proof of how the first living organism
came into existence. Your type of science ignores that completely
> THERE is NOT a single piece of supporting evidence that supports that
> a god exists -
>
That is, in your opinion. But you do not have the means to prove
many things in the universe.
> MOre important- the stories of creation themselves - of the major
> ancient religions - ALL have major provable errors that already
> establish them NOT TO BE TRUE- so they ARE fairy tales - pure and
> simple.
>
What about giving those errors!
> THE whole first chapter of Genesis - about creation - is so filled
> with things that are NOT TRUE - that even YOU had to resort to calling
> it a metaphor - ie a FAIRY TALE.
I have never stated that Genesis is a metaphor, a fairy tale.
> However - even the fairy tale is NOT
> a metaphor since in many cases it gets things so completely wrong -
> that it is NOT even analagous to what OUR solar system (WHich is NOT
> in the creation story -) and the OTHER planets (none of those
> mentioned in the creation stories) - as well as the physical
> attributes of our solar system are DIRECT OPPOSITES of the fairy tales
> of babel in the bible.
>
The author of Genesis included waht He believed God was telling him to
write.
There was no need to have all of the above that you have given in that
first
chapter of Genesis.
Babel
Genesis 10 : 10 And ther beginning of (Nimrod's);kingdom was Babel.
Genesis 11 : 9 therefore the name of it is Babel, because the Lord did
there
confound the language of all the earth.
> FOr example - YOU cannot say it is METAPHORICAL to say that our earth
> is stationary and UNMOVABLE in the sky - because it not only rotates
> on its axis but also ORBITS the sun - the bible is not a metaphor - it
> OPPOSES reality. ANd that means that the bible DOES have errors in its
> stories.
>
I can't recall the verse in the Bible where it says that 'the earth is
stationary,
unmovable
The Bible can have the language of appearance in respect of other
heavenly bodies.
Genesis 15 : 12 And when the sun was going down
Even in this scientific age we use that term and others like it
even very highly qualified scientists would use that phrase
in their everyday speech.
> And in science - when something is established NOT TO BE TRUE - it has
> been falsified - and it is UP to the proposer to CORRECT his theory -
> taking into account the new information we can prove - and restate his
> Hypothesis.
>
And his conclusions also have to be tested for truth by other
scientists
> TO date - although already falsified - no one has rewritten the bible
> to correct its errors
> WHAT they have done is stupidly claim that they are METAPHORS
> SCIENCE does NOT deal in metaphors - FICTIONAL WRITING deals with
> those.
Metaphors are legitimate ways of writing as they make comparisons.
> More important - there is NO evidence that the bible was written to BE
> a metaphor - IT - like all the scripture of ancient religion - was
> meant to be accepted as FACTUAL - which is it clearly not.
>
'The Bible as History' - I have not read it. However if you can prove
a small
number of errors in translation that does not prove the whole Bible is
incorrect.
> CREATION is a MYTH _ a FAIRY TALE - and No one has proven otherwise
>
It can't be proved scientifically. But that does not mean it is not a
brief account
of the Creation by God.
Gladys Swager