What Creationists don't know about Evolution

Barry OGrady

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May 15, 2013, 5:40:15 PM5/15/13

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Watch this short video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PcGiHWW8do

===========
I have come up with a way God could prove himself to everybody
in a way that would leave no doubt.
God is said to be everywhere at once so God could knock on every
door in the world at the same time. How could I deny God then?

gladys swager

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May 15, 2013, 5:52:45 PM5/15/13

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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:40:15 AM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
> Watch this short video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PcGiHWW8do =========== I have come up with a way God could prove himself to everybody in a way that would leave no doubt. God is said to be everywhere at once so God could knock on every door in the world at the same time. How could I deny God then?

God knocks on 'your heart's door', but up to the present you have refused
to open your mind/heart and accept Him as your Savior.
That is for reasons known to yourself.

John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever belives in Him should not perish,
but have everlasting Life.

Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another species)
did not happen. God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

creation.com gives you Scientific information for God's creation.

Barry OGrady

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May 15, 2013, 6:22:13 PM5/15/13

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On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:52:45 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:40:15 AM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:

>>Watch this short video.
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PcGiHWW8do
>>
>>===========
>>I have come up with a way God could prove himself to everybody in a
>>way that would leave no doubt. God is said to be everywhere at once so
>>God could knock on every door in the world at the same time. How could
>>I deny God then?

Why do you find it necessary to mess around with the quoting?

>God knocks on 'your heart's door', but up to the present you have refused
>to open your mind/heart and accept Him as your Savior.
>That is for reasons known to yourself.

So you like my idea and will present it to God?
God is already everywhere, right, so God would have no trouble
knocking on every door in the world at the same time. Nobody
could deny God then. Christians would be united and every
other religion would be humbled.

>John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
> that whoever belives in Him should not perish,
> but have everlasting Life.

That is not acceptable to right thinking people.

>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another species)
>did not happen. God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

God does not know that.

>creation.com gives you Scientific information for God's creation.

You said you wanted to unite Christianity. Here is your chance to
change the world and make Christianity the ruling power. Its
everything you want so I know you will do your best to shame
God into doing it.
Or is it you don't think God is up to it? You think the bible is
in error?

gladys swager

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May 21, 2013, 11:46:45 PM5/21/13

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On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Wed, 15 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
> John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son, > that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.

>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another species) >did not happen.
God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

>creation.com/ gives you Scientific information for God's creation.

Barry OGrady

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May 22, 2013, 1:35:43 AM5/22/13

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On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son, > that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.
>
>>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another species) >did not happen.

I did not write that. Stop lying.

>God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

Nobody with any brains wrote that.

>>creation.com/ gives you Scientific information for God's creation.

I did not write that either. You are a liar.

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gladys swager

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May 22, 2013, 3:21:09 AM5/22/13

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 , Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son, >that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.

>>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another
>>species) did not happen.

> >God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

>Nobody with any brains wrote that.

Mr Nobody is back into the posting, I see!

>> creation.com/ gives you Scientific information for God's creation.

Posting to the newsgroup has 'hit a low'!
Hope it makes sense with my corrections.

gladys swager

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May 22, 2013, 3:39:11 AM5/22/13

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
> >On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

The Creaton scintists would be well aware of what the Evolutionists have printed and recorded.

>> >On Wed, 15 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
> >> that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life. > >>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another species) did not happen.

B.O'G. Why do you publish untruths.
Is it just habit?...

>God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

>>creation.com/ gives you Scientific information for God's creation.

creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils

Barry OGrady

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May 22, 2013, 8:14:21 AM5/22/13

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On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:21:09 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 , Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son, >that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.
>>>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another
>>>species) did not happen.
>
>> >God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31
>
>>Nobody with any brains wrote that.
>
>Mr Nobody is back into the posting, I see!

Is that the nobody you say created something out of nothing?

>>> creation.com/ gives you Scientific information for God's creation.
>
>Posting to the newsgroup has 'hit a low'!
>Hope it makes sense with my corrections.

You seem to have the attributions right but you are still not
making sense.

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.

How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.

You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.

Barry OGrady

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May 22, 2013, 8:14:32 AM5/22/13

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On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>The Creaton scintists would be well aware of what the Evolutionists have printed and recorded.

They probably are but you refuse to investigate evolution even when I
make it easy for you. What are you afraid of?

>>> >On Wed, 15 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>>> John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
>> >> that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life. > >>Creationists know that Evolution (changes from one species to another species) did not happen.
>
>B.O'G. Why do you publish untruths.
>Is it just habit?...

You wrote the lines above.
Why do you accuse yourself of publishing untruths?

>>God created as Genesis 1 : 1 - 31

There are no [G|g]od(s) in evidence.

>>>creation.com/ gives you Scientific information for God's creation.
>
>creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils

Gladys. Why do you publish untruths?
Is it just habit?...

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

I recommend Forte Agent. Its a lot easier to use than
Google and you wouldn't have any problems with it.
I am aware that you automatically reject anything I suggest,
such as copy and paste which would allow you to have
error free links.

How are you going with the David Attenborough programs
on youtube via the link I had made for you? You can't help
but be impressed with the standard of the programs. They
are both entertaining and educational.
Also do a search on youtube for Penn and Teller Bullshit
episodes especially the one about creation. They do an
excellent job of showing creation for the Bullshit it is.

You never did thank me for showing you how you can
watch the excellent and true programs by Sir David
Attenborough without needing a TV. The important
thing is you are enjoying them and discovering how
absurd creation is.
That is thanks enough although I would like to hear
your thoughts about the programs.

gladys swager

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May 24, 2013, 8:37:34 PM5/24/13

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:14:32 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager wrote:
>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>> >On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >The Creation scintists would be well aware of what the Evolutionists have printed and recorded.

>They probably are but you refuse to investigate evolution even when I make it easy for you.

I have read enough of the myths of Evolution. Evolution did not happen in the past, it is not happening now, it will not happen in the future.

Atheists adopted Evolution in the post-WW 2 years to promote themselves and with teenage children, later Primary and Pre-school children - and not advertised then to the general public.
However, evolution could not have happened as there was not the DNA in the unicellular organisms to proceed to multi-cellular organisms -
ie up the tree of life. That was probably recognised but never stated
when cladistics began to be used . ie branch diagrams within a species.

Barry OGrady

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May 24, 2013, 9:29:09 PM5/24/13

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:37:34 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:14:32 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager wrote:
>>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> >The Creation scintists would be well aware of what the
>> > Evolutionists have printed and recorded.
>
>>They probably are but you refuse to investigate evolution even when
>>I make it easy for you.
>
>I have read enough of the myths of Evolution. Evolution did not happen
>in the past, it is not happening now, it will not happen in the
>future.

Then what are you afraid of? Why did you ask for debates where
creationists get to have their say then ignore the links I gave you?

You don't want answers from me. You want to claim there are no
answers.

>Atheists adopted Evolution in the post-WW 2 years to promote
>themselves and with teenage children, later Primary and Pre-school
>children - and not advertised then to the general public.

Why have Christians 'adopted' evolution?

>However, evolution could not have happened as there was not the DNA in
>the unicellular organisms to proceed to multi-cellular organisms -
>ie up the tree of life. That was probably recognised but never stated
>when cladistics began to be used . ie branch diagrams within a
>species.

So, evolution could not have happened because the information was
not there, but creation happened with vastly more information that
came from nowhere?

>John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten
>Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have
>everlasting Life.

The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone
killed is morally repugnant.

gladys swager

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May 24, 2013, 11:01:55 PM5/24/13

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On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:

> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten >Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.

>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is
> morally repugnant.

>Christians - Creationists - do not 'shed responsibility'.

What you do is to go through the Biblical scriptures
with a fine-toothcomb to pick out anything
that you think may be of advantage to you, while ignoring major issues.

You do not understand the Christian faith....you evidently do not want to understand the Christain faith.
God Almighty could and did make somethings out of nothing
six thousand years ago with God's most important creation being humans.

Without God, life of any type would have been impossible.
But with God CREATING, life was made, life that could reproduce itself...
and, Barry, that is why you, and millions of others, are living today!!

Barry OGrady

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May 24, 2013, 11:37:02 PM5/24/13

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:37:34 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:14:32 PM UTC+10, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:39:11 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager wrote:
>>On Wednesday, May 22, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>> >On Thursday, May 16, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> >The Creation scintists would be well aware of what the
>> > Evolutionists have printed and recorded.
>
>>They probably are but you refuse to investigate evolution even when
>>I make it easy for you.
>
>I have read enough of the myths of Evolution. Evolution did not happen
>in the past, it is not happening now, it will not happen in the
>future.

Then what are you afraid of? Why did you ask for debates where
creationists get to have their say then ignore the links I gave you?

You don't want answers from me. You want to claim there are no
answers.

>Atheists adopted Evolution in the post-WW 2 years to promote
>themselves and with teenage children, later Primary and Pre-school
>children - and not advertised then to the general public.

Why have Christians 'adopted' evolution?

>However, evolution could not have happened as there was not the DNA in
>the unicellular organisms to proceed to multi-cellular organisms -
>ie up the tree of life. That was probably recognised but never stated
>when cladistics began to be used . ie branch diagrams within a
>species.

So, evolution could not have happened because the information was
not there, but creation happened with vastly more information that
came from nowhere?

>John 3 : 16 For God so lovd the world that He gave His only begotten
>Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have
>everlasting Life.

The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone
killed is morally repugnant.

Barry OGrady

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May 24, 2013, 11:56:24 PM5/24/13

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:01:55 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>
>> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
>> >Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting Life.
>
>>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is
>> morally repugnant.
>
>>Christians - Creationists - do not 'shed responsibility'.

I did not write that. Stop messing around.

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

>What you do is to go through the Biblical scriptures
>with a fine-toothcomb to pick out anything
>that you think may be of advantage to you, while ignoring major issues.

I thought Christ on a stick was a major Christian issue.

>You do not understand the Christian faith....you evidently do not want
>to understand the Christain faith.

Christian faith is a mental illness.

>God Almighty could and did make somethings out of nothing

So something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but
the far more powerful creator came from nothing?

>six thousand years ago with God's most important creation being humans.

Don't you find it odd that 'God's most important creation' is just
another mammal, with the same basic needs and wants and the same
method of reproduction?
Wouldn't you think 'God's most important creation' would be special?
Yet some other animals have better vision, some live longer, some can
run faster, some have a much nicer personality.
Why is 'God's most important creation' made sick and ordered to
make itself well?

Your theology is sick.

>Without God, life of any type would have been impossible.
>But with God CREATING, life was made, life that could reproduce itself...
>and, Barry, that is why you, and millions of others, are living today!!

Without God, God would be impossible!!!
Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but
the far more powerful creator came from nothing?

==============

gladys swager

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May 25, 2013, 2:05:51 AM5/25/13

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On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:

Attrition marks missing for some quotes.

> >> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
> >> >Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting > >> >Life.

> >>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is
> >> morally repugnant.

> >>Christians - Creationists - do not 'shed responsibility'. I did not write
> >>that.

> What you do is to go through the Biblical scriptures with a fine-toothcomb to > pick out anything that you think may be of advantage to you, while ignoring
> major issues.

I thought Christ on a stick was a major Christian issue.

That just shows your denigration of anything that is holy,
The Cross on which Jesus was crucified was not a 'stick;.
And you have missed the important fact that Jeus rose from the dead on the following Sunday (first day of the week) morning.

You do not understand the Christian faith....you evidently do not want
to understand the Christain faith.

>Christian faith is a mental illness.

You haven't any idea what a mental illness is....
nor that in fact the term is a misnomer.
Thoughts and emotions can't be ill - illness is a term for Physical conditions.

Thoughts and emotions can be incorrect in the context in which they are expressed.

God Almighty could and did make somethings out of nothing So something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far more powerful creator came from nothing?

Six thousand years ago with God's most important creation being humans.

Don't you find it odd that 'God's most important creation' is just another mammal, with the same basic needs and wants and the same method of reproduction? Wouldn't you think 'God's most important creation' would be special? Yet some other animals have better vision, some live longer, some can run faster, some have a much nicer personality. Why is 'God's most important creation' made sick and ordered to make itself well? Your theology is sick.

Some babies are born with disablities, can be something inherent in the parents. fevers in women before they procreate can cause disabilities in the infant. However, medical cience is solving some of those problems..
Remember John 14; 12 (a) and (b). If you don't remember look them up that are Internet sites for the whole Bible.

>Without God, life of any type would have been impossible.
>But with God CREATING, life was made, life that could reproduce itself...
>and, Barry, that is why you, and millions of others, are living today!!

Without God, God would be impossible!!!

What a profound statement. Seems you got your wires crossed when typing that one.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far more powerful creator came from nothing?

You are into your game of twisting informationagain....makes you feel smart...
but that is only a self-opinion!!

The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is morally repugnant.

And you forget that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the third day,
now celebrated as Easter Sunday,

Barry, how could nobody create something out of nothing eons ago to get
your evolution going?? And from where came the DNA to bring about the changes to take 'goo' to 'you' over millions of years?

Your evolutionary theory 'is dead-in-the-water'
but you and you mates are working frantically to revive it.

Barry OGrady

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May 25, 2013, 3:03:49 AM5/25/13

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:05:51 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>
>Attrition marks missing for some quotes.

Why didn't you put back the missing attributions?

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

>> >> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
>> >> >Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting
> >> >Life.
>
>> >>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is
>> >> morally repugnant.
>
>> >>Christians - Creationists - do not 'shed responsibility'.
>

>>> What you do is to go through the Biblical scriptures with a fine-toothcomb to
>>> pick out anything that you think may be of advantage to you, while ignoring
>>> major issues.
>
>>I thought Christ on a stick was a major Christian issue.
>
>That just shows your denigration of anything that is holy,

Holiness is not a good thing.

>The Cross on which Jesus was crucified was not a 'stick;.

Some say it was a tree.

>And you have missed the important fact that Jeus rose from the dead on
>the following Sunday (first day of the week) morning.

That never happened, and even if it had it is still morally repugnant.

>You do not understand the Christian faith....you evidently do not want
>to understand the Christain faith.

The Christian faith is immoral.

>>Christian faith is a mental illness.
>
>You haven't any idea what a mental illness is....
>nor that in fact the term is a misnomer.
>Thoughts and emotions can't be ill - illness is a term for Physical conditions.

Unless its a mental illness.

>Thoughts and emotions can be incorrect in the context in which they are expressed.

And that can be caused by a physical illness.

>>>God Almighty could and did make somethings out of nothing

>>So something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the
>>far more powerful creator came from nothing?
>>>Six thousand years ago with God's most important creation being humans.

>>Don't you find it odd that 'God's most important creation' is just
>>another mammal, with the same basic needs and wants and the same
>>method of reproduction? Wouldn't you think 'God's most important
>>creation' would be special? Yet some other animals have better vision,
>>some live longer, some can run faster, some have a much nicer
>>personality. Why is 'God's most important creation' made sick and
>>ordered to make itself well? Your theology is sick.

>Some babies are born with disablities, can be something inherent in
>the parents. fevers in women before they procreate can cause
>disabilities in the infant. However, medical cience is solving some of
>those problems..

Solving problems caused by an almighty caring creator?

>>>Remember John 14; 12

Why?

>>>Without God, life of any type would have been impossible.
>>>But with God CREATING, life was made, life that could reproduce itself...
>>>and, Barry, that is why you, and millions of others, are living today!!
>
>>Without God, God would be impossible!!!
>
>What a profound statement. Seems you got your wires crossed when typing that one.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far
more powerful creator came from nothing?

>>You are into your game of twisting informationagain....makes you feel smart...
>>but that is only a self-opinion!!
>
>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is morally repugnant.
>
>And you forget that Jesus Christ was resurrected on the third day,
>now celebrated as Easter Sunday,

That changes nothing.

The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed
is morally repugnant.

>Barry, how could nobody create something out of nothing eons ago to get
>your evolution going?? And from where came the DNA to bring about the
>changes to take 'goo' to 'you' over millions of years?

Gladys, how could a magical creator come from nothing? And where
did the power and knowledge come from to bring the magical
creation. You must answer that question for creation to have a chance.

>Your evolutionary theory 'is dead-in-the-water'
>but you and you mates are working frantically to revive it.

Not just in the water!!!!! Fossils are in the ground and the rocks!
Fossils are everywhere and tell a wonderful story of life changing
over millions of years.

If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but
don't pretend it didn't happen.
Real science is a wonderful and truthful thing.
Religion can only lie.

==============

gladys swager

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May 25, 2013, 10:57:08 AM5/25/13

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On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 2013< gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

>> >> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten >> >> >Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting > >> >Life.

> > The Christian faith is immoral.

The Christian faith, from both the Old and the New Testaments of the Bible,
set the moral, ethical values tha tAustralia was built on from 1788.
That some persons did not follow those ethical values was not due to the Christian faith,
but rathe rto either an ignorance of the Christian faith or
to a non compliance with its teachings.

Those who wanted to impose Atheism (and I do not know if they had other ideological beliefs), went out from 1963 to move High School students,
and later, Primary School pupils from sometime in the 1980's,
to a belief in Evolution and millions of years - (younger pupils really did/do love dinosaurs and millions of years)....did so without any scientific proof - what has been demanded of me in these postings,
was not given by the Evolutionists - and if the Evolutionists
and you, Barry, have the proof or what happened at the beginning of time
then you have a duty to give that information with all the historical and scientific data. But all you have done is akin to a war-dance chanting...
"Evolution happened....millions of years"... !!!

>>Christian faith is a mental illness.

You haven't any idea what a mental illness is.... nor that in fact the term is a misnomer. Thoughts and emotions can't be ill - illness is a term for Physical conditions.

Unless its a mental illness.

What are termed Mental Illnesses were at their height in numbers of persons affected ....in the Middle Ages....it was a means to categorise persons who hade become overly distressed, an by golly, there were some situations then, as in later centuries when some persosn did become overly distressed....
and some of the tratments that have been used were enough to keep persons
in that distressed, distraught and whatever...state of mind.

An Italian doctor invented ECT Shock treatments in 1939, he later withdrew
his support, (but that was not advertised publically) he has since died.

You are tagging onto a term that has had reasonably high media coverage since 1975, when psyciatrists used the media for publicity. I am aware of one Psychiatrist who moved to criminal Psychiatry, and then became prominent on television, after changes had been made in the treatments he had previously given.
However, Medicine has not always perfect in its treatments, as also in Teaching methods change as better means are assessed for treating and giving knowledge.

I would think, Barry, that you are using second-hand knowledge,
and then only part of it, to make you seem to be a 'Big I Am" in these newsgroups. In your schooling you may have been the Class Clown and spent some time in the corridor away from other students.
You have gained some information on computers, how much I cannot assess from your postings, and you think tha ttellin gme wha tI should do with my computer
gives you kudos, that you then can go on and further dictate to me.

Your Evolution is dead in the water --- has been dead every since it was first proposed. But the moral level of its advocates was at zero when they introduced it tto school children in 1963. There is no experimental proof...
You do not have that proof....otherwise you would have given it to me
in your previous postings.

However, I am of thee opinion that the way the Christian faith is given, ie sermons from the pulipit with church members whatever their ages seated in pews,
does not always meet the needs of some of those in the pews.

And well I know, the problems when a new church building is planned and the divisions that can be caused, especially when there was no prior consultation. In such circumstances
"God is not always with the majority, He can be with the minority,'

Barry OGrady

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On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager

<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013< gladys swager <gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>>> >> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
>>> >> >Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting
>> >> >Life.
>
>> > The Christian faith is immoral.
>
>The Christian faith, from both the Old and the New Testaments of the Bible,
>set the moral, ethical values tha tAustralia was built on from 1788.
>That some persons did not follow those ethical values was not due to the Christian faith,
>but rathe rto either an ignorance of the Christian faith or to a non compliance with its teachings.

We are lucky that some were willing to defy the church.

>Those who wanted to impose Atheism (and I do not know if they had
>other ideological beliefs), went out from 1963 to move High School
>students, and later, Primary School pupils from sometime in the
>1980's, to a belief in Evolution and millions of years - (younger
>pupils really did/do love dinosaurs and millions of years)....did so
>without any scientific proof - what has been demanded of me in these
>postings, was not given by the Evolutionists - and if the
>Evolutionists and you, Barry, have the proof or what happened at the
>beginning of time then you have a duty to give that information with
>all the historical and scientific data. But all you have done is akin
>to a war-dance chanting...
>"Evolution happened....millions of years"... !!!

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described
science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously
comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world.
When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or
rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words,
science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and
rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge
and understanding grow over time. Religious explanations for the
order of things are not science because they are based primarily on
faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified.
Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to
understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect
decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a
science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of
the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
history courses.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution

At the heart of evolutionary theory is the basic idea that life has
existed for billions of years and has changed over time.

Overwhelming evidence supports this fact. Scientists continue to argue
about details of evolution, but the question of whether life has a
long history or not was answered in the affirmative at least two
centuries ago.

The history of living things is documented through multiple lines of
evidence that converge to tell the story of life through time. In this
section, we will explore the lines of evidence that are used to
reconstruct this story.
These lines of evidence include:

<links>
Fossil evidence

Homologies

Distribution in time and space

Evidence by example

http://www.teachthemscience.org/evidence

Scientists and crime solvers have something in common. They can both
figure out what happened, even if no one was there to see it.
Scientists do the same thing that crime solvers do. They look for
clues. The more clues that were left behind, the more likely they are
to figure it out. If all of the clues point to the same conclusion,
then they know what happened.

Consider the case of the origin of species. There are many thousands
of clues, and they all point to the conclusion that life evolved.
There are so many clues that they fall under multiple disciplines of
science. Each of these disciplines provides a separate line of
evidence for evolution.

>>>Christian faith is a mental illness.
>
>You haven't any idea what a mental illness is....

I gave you the example of Christian faith.

>nor that in fact the term is a misnomer. Thoughts and emotions can't
>be ill - illness is a term for Physical conditions.

Unless its a mental illness.

>What are termed Mental Illnesses were at their height in numbers of
>persons affected ....in the Middle Ages....it was a means to
>categorise persons who hade become overly distressed, an by golly,
>there were some situations then, as in later centuries when some
>persosn did become overly distressed....

That's because they did not have modern medicine and science.
They depended on God.

>and some of the tratments that have been used were enough to keep persons
>in that distressed, distraught and whatever...state of mind.

God seems to enjoy holding back information.

>An Italian doctor invented ECT Shock treatments in 1939, he later withdrew
>his support, (but that was not advertised publically) he has since died.
>
>You are tagging onto a term that has had reasonably high media
>coverage since 1975, when psyciatrists used the media for publicity. I
>am aware of one Psychiatrist who moved to criminal Psychiatry, and
>then became prominent on television, after changes had been made in
>the treatments he had previously given.
>However, Medicine has not always perfect in its treatments, as also in
>Teaching methods change as better means are assessed for treating and
>giving knowledge.

I am surprised you never told me that before. :)

>I would think, Barry, that you are using second-hand knowledge,
>and then only part of it, to make you seem to be a 'Big I Am" in these
>newsgroups. In your schooling you may have been the Class Clown and
>spent some time in the corridor away from other students.
>You have gained some information on computers, how much I cannot
>assess from your postings, and you think tha ttellin gme wha tI should
>do with my computer gives you kudos, that you then can go on and
>further dictate to me.

What do you hope to achieve by refusing to follow societal norms?

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

>Your Evolution is dead in the water --- has been dead every since it was first proposed.

Not just in the water!!!!! Fossils are in the ground and the rocks!
Fossils are everywhere and tell a wonderful story of life changing
over millions of years.

If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but
don't pretend it didn't happen.
Real science is a wonderful and truthful thing.
Religion can only lie.

>But the moral level of its advocates was at zero when they introduced
>it tto school children in 1963.

Creationists lowered even their already low standards when they
tried to force religion into science classes. Even after being
rebuffed by the courts they still try to indoctrinate children.

>There is no experimental proof...
>You do not have that proof....otherwise you would have given it to me
>in your previous postings.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described
science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously
comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world.
When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or
rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words,
science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and
rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge
and understanding grow over time. Religious explanations for the
order of things are not science because they are based primarily on
faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified.
Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to
understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect
decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a
science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of
the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
history courses.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution

At the heart of evolutionary theory is the basic idea that life has
existed for billions of years and has changed over time.

Overwhelming evidence supports this fact. Scientists continue to argue
about details of evolution, but the question of whether life has a
long history or not was answered in the affirmative at least two
centuries ago.

The history of living things is documented through multiple lines of
evidence that converge to tell the story of life through time. In this
section, we will explore the lines of evidence that are used to
reconstruct this story.
These lines of evidence include:

<links>
Fossil evidence

Homologies

Distribution in time and space

Evidence by example

http://www.teachthemscience.org/evidence

Scientists and crime solvers have something in common. They can both
figure out what happened, even if no one was there to see it.
Scientists do the same thing that crime solvers do. They look for
clues. The more clues that were left behind, the more likely they are
to figure it out. If all of the clues point to the same conclusion,
then they know what happened.

Consider the case of the origin of species. There are many thousands
of clues, and they all point to the conclusion that life evolved.
There are so many clues that they fall under multiple disciplines of
science. Each of these disciplines provides a separate line of
evidence for evolution.

>However, I am of thee opinion that the way the Christian faith is
>given, ie sermons from the pulipit with church members whatever their
>ages seated in pews, does not always meet the needs of some of those
>in the pews.

Victims of the mental illness known as Christian faith should be
told the truth that Christianity is fiction.

>And well I know, the problems when a new church building is planned
>and the divisions that can be caused, especially when there was no
>prior consultation.

The fancy churches and dress are necessary to hympnotise the
Christianity's victims into 'seeing' God.

>In such circumstances
>"God is not always with the majority, He can be with the minority,'

God should be with everybody at all times.
It is morally repugnant for a creator to make divisions.

Thank you for once again showing how morally bankrupt
Christianity is.

gladys swager

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On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:

> >John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
>> Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting >> >> >Life.

>Those who wanted to impose Atheism (and I do not know if they had other >ideological beliefs), went out from 1963 to move High School >students, and >later, Primary School pupils from sometime in the >1980's, to a belief in >Evolution and millions of years - (younger pupils really did/do love dinosaurs >and millions of years)....did so without any scientific proof - what has been >demanded of me in these postings, was not given by the Evolutionists
>- and if the Evolutionists and you, Barry, have the proof or what happened at >the beginning of time then you have a duty to give that information with
>all the historical and scientific data. But all you have done is akin to
>a war-dance chanting... "Evolution happened....millions of years"... !!!

Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because they are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified. Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or history courses.

However, evolution has not been proved to have happened anytime in the past ages of the world. Change within a species. yes...but that is not evolution
"goo-to-you-, no omnipotent creator, God almighty.

You have not yet given the answer to:-
"How did nobody create something out of nothing...at the beginning of time?
That is necessary for your evolutionary (Godless) theory.

Barry OGrady

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On Sat, 25 May 2013 16:09:22 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>
>John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
> Son, that whoever belives in Him should not perish, but have everlasting
>Life.

The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed
is morally repugnant.

>Those who wanted to impose Atheism (and I do not know if they had
>other ideological beliefs), went out from 1963 to move High School
>students, and later, Primary School pupils from sometime in the
>1980's, to a belief in Evolution and millions of years - (younger
>pupils really did/do love dinosaurs and millions of years)....did so
>without any scientific proof - what has been demanded of me in these
>postings, was not given by the Evolutionists - and if the

>evolutionists and you, Barry, have the proof or what happened at the

>beginning of time then you have a duty to give that information with
>all the historical and scientific data. But all you have done is akin
>to a war-dance chanting... "Evolution happened....millions of
>years"... !!!

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described
science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously
comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world.
When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or
rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words,
science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and
rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge

and understanding grow over time. Religious explanations for the

order of things are not science because they are based primarily on
faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified.
Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to
understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect
decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a
science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of
the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
history courses.

>Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because
>they are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be
>objectively falsified. Because of this fundamental difference in the
>approach to understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in
>effect decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is
>not a science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
>alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of
>the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
>idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
>history courses.

You got that right.

>However, evolution has not been proved to have happened anytime in the
>past ages of the world. Change within a species. yes...but that is
>not evolution "goo-to-you-, no omnipotent creator, God almighty.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far
more powerful creator came from nothing?

>You have not yet given the answer to:-
>"How did nobody create something out of nothing...at the beginning of time?
>That is necessary for your evolutionary (Godless) theory.

If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but
don't pretend it didn't happen.
Real science is a wonderful and truthful thing.
Religion can only lie.

gladys swager

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On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:

> If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but don't pretend > it didn't happen.

And you have no proof that evolution - ie 'goo-to-you' did happen from millions of years ago. And there is no evidnce of evolution happening today.

>Real science is a wonderful and truthful thing. Religion can only lie. >Thank .you for once again showing how morally bankrupt Christianity is. The >idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed is morally >repugnant.

Atheists, such as yourself, Barry, want there to be no God - the creator of the Universe and all thing living things in it.
And you and your Atheistic mates will go to any lengths to promote your godless philosophy.
You will pick and choose the information contained in the Christian faith as written in the New Testament - and have no idea of its complete teachings.

However, Nobody could have made the Universe and living organisms in it.
The Everlsting God of the Bible did that.

And the promoters of your evolutionary theory lacked all moral responsibility as they taught children a philosophy of life different from
that held by their parents
without a full discussion of what the parents believed.

Thankfully, I taught at the 5 to 8 ages, and the issue did not come into the teaching requirements for those grades.
That occurred after I had retured from teaching.
But the way the information was included indicates that it was a 'take-over'
program of our society by atheists after all the excellent work
thathad been done by Christians with very few resources.

Barry OGrady

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On Sat, 25 May 2013 21:04:55 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:
>
>> If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so,
>> but don't pretend it didn't happen.
>
>And you have no proof that evolution - ie 'goo-to-you' did happen from millions of years ago.

>And there is no evidnce of evolution happening today.

Were you ever given a course of antibiotics and told to
take the full course even if you felt better?

>>Real science is a wonderful and truthful thing. Religion can only lie.
>>Thank .you for once again showing how morally bankrupt Christianity is.
>>
>>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed
>>is morally repugnant.
>
>Atheists, such as yourself, Barry, want there to be no God - the
>creator of the Universe and all thing living things in it.

I want there to be a good God but we should all be glad the God
you claim does not exist!

>And you and your Atheistic mates will go to any lengths to promote
>your godless philosophy.
>You will pick and choose the information contained in the Christian
>faith as written in the New Testament - and have no idea of its
>complete teachings.

The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone killed

is still morally repugnant.

>However, Nobody could have made the Universe and living organisms in it.

That's Mr. Nobody to you!

>The Everlsting God of the Bible did that.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far
more powerful creator came from nothing?

>And the promoters of your evolutionary theory lacked all moral
>responsibility as they taught children a philosophy of life different
>from that held by their parents without a full discussion of what the
>parents believed.

Evolution is not a philosophy of life.

>Thankfully, I taught at the 5 to 8 ages, and the issue did not come
>into the teaching requirements for those grades.
>That occurred after I had retured from teaching.
>But the way the information was included indicates that it was a
>'take-over' program of our society by atheists after all the excellent

>work that had been done by Christians with very few resources.

How dare they replace a corrupt theology with science!

Do you think the creationists will succeed in destroying
science and education in your time?

==============

gladys swager

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May 26, 2013, 3:15:04 AM5/26/13

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On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:
> >> If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but don't pretend it didn't happen.

Evolution as 'goo-to-you via the zoo....did not happen.
=======================================================

The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world. When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words, science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge and understanding grow over time.

That is true science - the science of everyday living - of putting men on the moon.

Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because they are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified.

The Bible is a a history book among other of its features - a history of the people swho lived in what we know call the Middle East - and their relationship with God Wgho had created that world as well as all the Universe....
As an Atheist, you do not want to accept that God exists
Somehow, puff! it all came into existence of itself.

Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or history courses. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01 Lines of evidence:

The Courrt in the USA may have decided that way,,,but those judges would have been indoctrinated with Evolution that had been included in the US Curriculum from 1957 - the year that Sputnik went up - is the information I have, but have not checked it recently.

The science of evolution At the heart of evolutionary theory is the basic idea that life has existed for billions of years and has changed over time. Overwhelming evidence supports this fact. Scientists continue to argue about details of evolution, but the question of whether life has a long history or not was answered in the affirmative at least two centuries ago.

Early 1800's - but not all that scientists did and stated at that time was
dinky-die true.....there is back-tracking in science...a re-working of ideas...

The history of living things is documented through multiple lines of evidence that converge to tell the story of life through time.

And the history has been written to confirm that Evolution happened, by scientists who have wanted it to happen.
And when they have control of the media and the education system
thry indoctrinate --the most vulnerable....it has happen in a vast number of school systems.

I was taught and I was trained to teach subtraction by the borrow and pay-back system - never querie dit until we had Cuisenaire rods and my first understanding was borrowing and paying back in subtraction - it was wrong
what we had been taught. I divised a method of giving a ten to the adjacent columns as in 54 - 4 was treated as 14 and the 2 became 3
27 ie 1 ten added to both sides
Very simple and better than the trading method which was then taught.

The lines of evidence may seem to be right when taught in schools...

But very much simpler is that God created according to kind with some variation in bi-sexual reproduction, but not a change of kind-species
from one species to another species up waht has been termed the ladder of life.

And how could there have been because there wasn't the DNA to allow movement from one species to another different species.
Was your mother an ape, monkey??? A human's mother has been human through all the years of people on this earth snd so for each and every species.

Barry OGrady

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On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:15:04 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:
>> >> If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but don't pretend it didn't happen.
>
>Evolution as 'goo-to-you via the zoo....did not happen.

What sort of evolution did happen?

>=======================================================
>The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described
>science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously
>comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world.
>When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or
>rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words,
>science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and
>rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge
>and understanding grow over time.

What do you hope to achieve by pretending you wrote that?

You must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
If you won't use a proper newsreader at least have a talk
to Google support.

>That is true science - the science of everyday living - of putting men on the moon.

I am pleased to see you acknowledge that.

>Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because
>they are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be
>objectively falsified.

I agree.

>The Bible is a a history book among other of its features - a history
>of the people swho lived in what we know call the Middle East - and
>their relationship with God Wgho had created that world as well as all
>the Universe....

Its a book about the God people want to control you with.
You are too weak minded to resist.

>As an Atheist, you do not want to accept that God exists

There is no God to accept.

>Somehow, puff! it all came into existence of itself.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far
more powerful creator came from nothing?

>Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to
>understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect
>decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a
>science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
>alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of
>the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
>idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
>history courses.

I told you that but its good to see you acknowledge it.

Much more at
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01

>The Courrt in the USA may have decided that way,,,but those judges
>would have been indoctrinated with Evolution that had been included in
>the US Curriculum from 1957 - the year that Sputnik went up - is the
>information I have, but have not checked it recently.

The judge was a theist and the creationists messed up by
pretending that ID is not religion.

>The science of evolution At the heart of evolutionary theory is the
>basic idea that life has existed for billions of years and has changed
>over time. Overwhelming evidence supports this fact. Scientists
>continue to argue about details of evolution, but the question of
>whether life has a long history or not was answered in the affirmative
>at least two centuries ago.

Its good to see you acknowledge that evolution evidence is
overwhelming.

>Early 1800's - but not all that scientists did and stated at that time was
>dinky-die true.....there is back-tracking in science...a re-working of ideas...

Yet you said 'Overwhelming evidence supports this fact.'

>The history of living things is documented through multiple lines of
>evidence that converge to tell the story of life through time.

Agreed.

>And the history has been written to confirm that Evolution happened,
>by scientists who have wanted it to happen.

It must have taken a very long time to fake the fossil record.

>And when they have control of the media and the education system
>thry indoctrinate --the most vulnerable....it has happen in a vast
>number of school systems.

You see scientific facts as indoctrination?

>The lines of evidence may seem to be right when taught in schools...

Is that why the creationists wanted to force their mythology
onto school children?

>But very much simpler is that God created according to kind with some
>variation in bi-sexual reproduction, but not a change of kind-species
>from one species to another species up waht has been termed the ladder
>of life.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far
more powerful creator came from nothing?

>And how could there have been because there wasn't the DNA to allow
>movement from one species to another different species.

How could there be an almighty and all-knowing creator when there
wasn't the knowledge available?

>Was your mother an ape, monkey??? A human's mother has been human
>through all the years of people on this earth snd so for each and
>every species.

From where did you get your amazing knowledge?

gladys swager

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May 26, 2013, 8:38:22 PM5/26/13

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On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:

>> >> If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but don't pretend it didn't happen.

> >Evolution as 'goo-to-you via the zoo....did not happen. What sort of evolution did happen? >=======================================================

>The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world. When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words, >science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge and understanding grow over time.

>Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because they
>are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be >objectively >falsified.

The Christian faith has much histroical inforamtion in the Bible
that gives the support that it has.

The Old Testament of Genesis was a record that was kept orally...and I have been told that those who depend on an oral tradition can have amazing memories of past events. In Exodus, the second book of the Old Testament is the story of Moses who was cared for as a baby by the Pharoah's daughter. Later he wrote teh accounts that are contained in teh first five books of the Bible.

>The Bible is a a history book among other of its features - a history of the peoples who lived in what we now call the Middle East - and their relationship with God Who had created that world as well as all the Universe....

Its a book the God people want to control you with. You are too weak minded to resist.

For some reason, Barry, you are so antagonistic to the Biblical teachings.
Sometime in thae past, something made you accpt your ant-God attitudes.
What that/those event(s) was/were you have not told me,
nor do I ask that you tell me. However, possibly as you were told of evolution and millions of years you accepted taht information as true....but for millions of years ...where are all the skeletons? and without the skeletons your theory goes up in smoke.

>As an Atheist, you do not want to accept that God exists

Somehow, puff! it all came into existence of itself. Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far more powerful creator came from nothing?

>Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect >decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of the biological sciences.

And 1987 was 30 years after the teaching of Evolution had begun in US schools.
Those in tha tperiod had been brain-washed that evolution had actually happened - no proof, but what the h....demand proof of others,
but evade the issue yourselves.

>At the heart of evolutionary theory is the >basic idea that life has existed for billions of years and has changed over time.
>Overwhelming evidence supports this fact.

All you have done is to state 'overwhelming evidence....
but you have not given any.

Evolution is 'dead-in-the-water'....from about 2002....but not one has given any scientific information supporting evolution ...
just the statement 'Evolution happened' or its equivalent.

As Evolution was introduced into NSW schools from 1963 and thereafter
without any media 'fanfare' in the media it does seem to that
the intention was to indoctrinate the younger generation of Australians,
and with the advances in technology that were 'in the pipeline'
to attribute them to the philosophy of Atheism.....
Hey presto! Atheism wins....lets forget/don't even mention all the advances through the centuries made by Christians.

Barry, I made a programme for the teaching of Physical Education and Games,
in which skills obtained were in advance of all other schools, as I was told by a Schools Inspector.
I was told my Infants Department would be used for demonstarton purposes....
It could be said, "I am still waiting".
Later a programme from another state was given favourable mention in the media. That is 'how the cookie can crumble'!
I am aware what the reason may have been...it has just occurred to me as I have recalled an Internet article I read quite some time ago.

Barry OGrady

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On Sun, 26 May 2013 17:38:22 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2013, gladys swager wrote:
>>>On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2013 gladys swager wrote:

When are you going to take responsibility for your actions?
Have you contacted Google support?
Or is that you think it gives you some sort of advantage?
You want to be able to say I am unable answer your questions.

>>> >> If you don't like the idea of coming from evolution say so, but don't pretend it didn't happen.
>
>> >Evolution as 'goo-to-you via the zoo....did not happen.

What makes you hate all that is true?

What sort of evolution did happen?

>>Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because they
>>are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be >objectively >falsified.
>
>The Christian faith has much histroical inforamtion in the Bible
>that gives the support that it has.

There is some history in the bible.

>The Old Testament of Genesis was a record that was kept orally...and I
>have been told that those who depend on an oral tradition can have
>amazing memories of past events. In Exodus, the second book of the Old
>Testament is the story of Moses who was cared for as a baby by the
>Pharoah's daughter. Later he wrote teh accounts that are contained in
>teh first five books of the Bible.

Is that teh truth?

>The Bible is a a history book among other of its features - a history
>of the peoples who lived in what we now call the Middle East - and
>their relationship with God Who had created that world as well as all
>the Universe....

Its a book about the God people want to control you with. You are too

weak minded to resist.

>For some reason, Barry, you are so antagonistic to the Biblical teachings.
>Sometime in thae past, something made you accpt your ant-God attitudes.
>What that/those event(s) was/were you have not told me,
>nor do I ask that you tell me. However, possibly as you were told of
>evolution and millions of years you accepted taht information as
>true....but for millions of years ...where are all the skeletons? and
>without the skeletons your theory goes up in smoke.

Why is it that Creation Ministries Irrational has internal legal
problems?

>>As an Atheist, you do not want to accept that God exists
>Somehow, puff! it all came into existence of itself.

Something as powerful as a human brain requires a creator but the far
more powerful creator came from nothing?

>>Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to
>>understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect
>>decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a
>>science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
>>alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of
>>the biological sciences.

>And 1987 was 30 years after the teaching of Evolution had begun in US schools.
>Those in tha tperiod had been brain-washed that evolution had actually
>happened - no proof, but what the h....demand proof of others,
>but evade the issue yourselves.

Here's some of the evidence you delete then claim you never saw.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described
science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously
comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world.
When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or
rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words,
science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and
rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge
and understanding grow over time. Religious explanations for the
order of things are not science because they are based primarily on
faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified.

Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to
understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect
decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a
science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of

the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
history courses.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01

Lines of evidence: The science of evolution

At the heart of evolutionary theory is the basic idea that life has
existed for billions of years and has changed over time.

Overwhelming evidence supports this fact. Scientists continue to argue
about details of evolution, but the question of whether life has a
long history or not was answered in the affirmative at least two
centuries ago.

The history of living things is documented through multiple lines of

evidence that converge to tell the story of life through time. In this
section, we will explore the lines of evidence that are used to
reconstruct this story.
These lines of evidence include:

<links>
Fossil evidence

Homologies

Distribution in time and space

Evidence by example

http://www.teachthemscience.org/evidence

Scientists and crime solvers have something in common. They can both
figure out what happened, even if no one was there to see it.
Scientists do the same thing that crime solvers do. They look for
clues. The more clues that were left behind, the more likely they are
to figure it out. If all of the clues point to the same conclusion,
then they know what happened.

Consider the case of the origin of species. There are many thousands
of clues, and they all point to the conclusion that life evolved.
There are so many clues that they fall under multiple disciplines of
science. Each of these disciplines provides a separate line of
evidence for evolution.

Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because
they are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be

objectively falsified. Because of this fundamental difference in the

approach to understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in
effect decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is
not a science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an
alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of

the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the
idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or
history courses.

>>At the heart of evolutionary theory is the >basic idea that life has existed for billions
>>of years and has changed over time.
>>Overwhelming evidence supports this fact.
>
>All you have done is to state 'overwhelming evidence....
>but you have not given any.

How clever do you think you are deleting the evidence then claiming
you never saw it?

>Evolution is 'dead-in-the-water'..

Not just the water! There are fossils in the ground and rocks too,
and they tell a wonderful story of how life changed over millions
of years.

>..from about 2002....but not one has given any scientific information supporting evolution ...
>just the statement 'Evolution happened' or its equivalent.