Get over it!

[Michael Christ]

Made! Free! From the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made
me free from the law of sin and death.

If you don't know what this means, you are NOT BORN AGAIN.

So?

Do something about it.

Get on your knees in prayer instead of spitting venom at your
neighbour, and get it sorted by the Lord.

He still works with miserable self-righteous sinners.

There are no excuses.




Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:45:25 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusemm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Michael Christ

Is Michael Christ your real name?

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 12, 11:48 am, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:45:25 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>

> <jesusemmanuel2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Michael Christ
>
> Is Michael Christ your real name?

Go and lay in the sun and get a sun tan.




Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

I am diabetic with white skin and a sunburn would only, please Satan's
tares.

Have you no Inspiration from God? If you had inspiration, you would
have known it was harmful for me to go out and get a sunburn.

Is that the best you can do, show your contempt for me asking an
honest question, Is Michael Christ your real name?

I willing to believe you, but the venom of the serpent is very much a
part of your nature.

A word to those future readers who read this on rooftops, here is a
good example of a miserable self-righteous sinner, who is overcome by
evil in the world. He is like a serpent with venom. But how is the
serpent ever going to lose his venom if the atheists don't stop
persecuting him?

– Joshua Gemmell (One Witness in The Hands of God.) <G><

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 12, 1:05 pm, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>

> <jesusemmanuel2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 12, 11:48 am, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:45:25 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>
> >> <jesusemmanuel2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Michael Christ
>
> >> Is Michael Christ your real name?

Michael Christ wrote:
> >Go and lay in the sun and get a sun tan.
>
> >Michael Christ

Joshua Gemmell wrote:
> I am diabetic with white skin and a sunburn would only, please Satan's
> tares.
>
> Have you no Inspiration from God?  If you had inspiration, you would
> have known it was harmful for me to go out and get a sunburn.
>
> Is that the best you can do, show your contempt for me asking an
> honest question, Is Michael Christ your real name?
>
> I willing to believe you, but the venom of the serpent is very much a
> part of your nature.
>
> A word to those future readers who read this on rooftops, here is a
> good example of a miserable self-righteous sinner, who is overcome by
> evil in the world.  He is like a serpent with venom.  But how is the
> serpent ever going to lose his venom if the atheists don't stop
> persecuting him?
>
>   Joshua Gemmell (One Witness in The Hands of God.) <G><

All you see is what is inherent within yourself.

I already know who you are.

And you are in your own hands.



Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

MC: All you see is what is inherent within yourself.

I not a Catholic. It is a Catholic doctrine that one can come to know
God by knowing oneself. I disagree with your assumption that this is
a true Christ doctrine, because no matter how well one comes to know
oneself, one will never come to know God this way.

MC: I already know who you are.

Then you know that there never has been the likes of me before, for I
am new a creation under the sun, and I believe in ripping up false
religious claims.

MC: And you are in your own hands.

Where in the scriptures do you get that the idea that a man is
independent of God's providence?

I was cut off out of the land of the living not by the hands of God,
but the hands of Satan. I know what it is like to have to depend upon
the Lord for my daily needs; and it is my blessing from God that I
have always have had the necessities of life given to me throughout my
existence upon this earth, either by myself industry or by
administering angels; therefore I am able to devote much of my time to
the works of the Lord Our Righteousness.


– Joshua Israel Gemmell (A Witness in The Hands of Christ.) <G><

[Rod]

A person can come to know God thru prayer, scriptures and by way of
communion with the Holy Spirit. AS the scriptures say, draw nigh to God
and He will draw nigh to you, and so it is...

>
> MC: I already know who you are.
>
> Then you know that there never has been the likes of me before, for I
> am new a creation under the sun, and I believe in ripping up false
> religious claims.

This is good. A person knows best where they stand when they are
told the truth always. As God said before, "make the paths of the LORD
straight."

>
> MC: And you are in your own hands.
>
> Where in the scriptures do you get that the idea that a man is
> independent of God's providence?
>
> I was cut off out of the land of the living not by the hands of God,
> but the hands of Satan. I know what it is like to have to depend upon
> the Lord for my daily needs; and it is my blessing from God that I
> have always have had the necessities of life given to me throughout my
> existence upon this earth, either by myself industry or by
> administering angels; therefore I am able to devote much of my time to
> the works of the Lord Our Righteousness.
>
>
> – Joshua Israel Gemmell (A Witness in The Hands of Christ.) <G><
>

Rod

[duke]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:45:25 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ

<jesusemm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Made! Free! From the law of sin and death.

Only Jesus Christ did that, you heretic.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:24:04 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rod

Tell me Rod have you ever seen the face of God?

If not, then how do you claim to know God whom you have never seen?

And if you have seen his face, tell me, what does he looks like; I
mean the color of his hair, skin, and eyes.

[Barry OGrady]

God is invisible, like air, but a lot less useful.

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 13, 9:50 am, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:24:04 -0600, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >     Rod
>
> Tell me Rod have you ever seen the face of God?
>
> If not, then how do you claim to know God whom you have never seen?
>
> And if you have seen his face, tell me, what does he looks like; I
> mean the color of his hair, skin, and eyes.

Uh oh, Houston, we have problem.





Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 13, 5:26 am, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:29:07 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

The human heart is deceitfully wicked, Joshua. Unless it has been
crucified by the Lord and you have been raised up to new life as a new
creature in Christ Jesus and given a new heart/Spirit.

Would you like me to show you yours?




Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:39:41 +1100, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>God is invisible, like air, but a lot less useful.

What you said is illogical because the same could be said about
"electricity witch is invisible and apart of the spirit world
spectrum, yet even you know that electricity does in fact exist," for
it allows me to run a Sansung 55-inch 3D LED LCD monitor with a flash
drive run by a 8 core processor PC with Bu-Ray that has the computer
performance rating of 7.9 of 7.9 - and if that is not reality, then
all the thousands of dollars I spend on building this system is a
strong delusion whenever I play the World of Warcraft, because it's a
real high and the same goes for the *God Current* once you are
connected to his network and start to see things happen.

I am not what you expected to find my intelligent friend. And I don't
have to be concern or doubting Thomas about my fiber-optic internet
connection, because it too is invisible and instead of using the
spirit substance "electricity", it uses "light" which is colorless and
invisible, but their effects are real and unforgiving just like God.

Therefore, if the bible says that God is "light" and "electricity
heat", it doesn't mean He doesn't exists, because I can feel the
warmth of the Holy Ghost, and I can see the sunlight that comes from
the throne of God, for the sunlight we see comes from the breath of
God.

– Joshua Israel Gemmell (The Witness in The Hands of Christ.) <G><

[Barry OGrady]

God chose to make it that way.

>Unless it has been
>crucified by the Lord and you have been raised up to new life as a new
>creature in Christ Jesus and given a new heart/Spirit.
>
>Would you like me to show you yours?

That sounds like an arrestable offence.

When are you going to lose your life for us?

>Michael Christ

[Barry OGrady]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:19:46 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:39:41 +1100, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>God is invisible, like air, but a lot less useful.
>
>What you said is illogical because the same could be said about
>"electricity witch is invisible and apart of the spirit world

Did you mean apart from?

>spectrum, yet even you know that electricity does in fact exist," for
>it allows me to run a Sansung 55-inch 3D LED LCD monitor with a flash
>drive run by a 8 core processor PC with Bu-Ray that has the computer
>performance rating of 7.9 of 7.9 - and if that is not reality, then
>all the thousands of dollars I spend on building this system is a
>strong delusion whenever I play the World of Warcraft, because it's a
>real high and the same goes for the *God Current* once you are
>connected to his network and start to see things happen.

Did you know that 8 core computers are out of date in the
business world? I bought a server which has 2 x quad core
and 8 gigs RAM for not very much, and also a server with
2x dual core and 16 gigs RAM.
Sounds like your computer knowledge is out of date too.

>I am not what you expected to find my intelligent friend. And I don't
>have to be concern or doubting Thomas about my fiber-optic internet
>connection, because it too is invisible and instead of using the
>spirit substance "electricity", it uses "light" which is colorless and
>invisible, but their effects are real and unforgiving just like God.

How does it feel to have a computer that is vastly more
powerful than your brain?

>Therefore, if the bible says that God is "light" and "electricity
>heat", it doesn't mean He doesn't exists, because I can feel the
>warmth of the Holy Ghost, and I can see the sunlight that comes from
>the throne of God, for the sunlight we see comes from the breath of
>God.

What you have is called schizophrenia.

Like God, air sometimes causes us lots of problems, but
unlike God air does exist.

If you know of ways we can put God to good use please
let me know.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:06:09 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The human heart is deceitfully wicked, Joshua. Unless it has been
>crucified by the Lord and you have been raised up to new life as a new
>creature in Christ Jesus and given a new heart/Spirit.
>
>Would you like me to show you yours?
>
>Michael Christ

Just because man can read the scripture, it does not mean that they
understand scriptures, for scriptures can only be understood by the
same spirit that wrote the scriptures.

Oil and Water don't mix, Brother Michael. The Word of Christ is the
living water that satisfies your thirst for eternal knowledge, but the
Spirit of God is the oil that lights your path back to God.

Many are satisfied with only hearing the Word of Christ and with their
mouths they do honor God daily, but their hearts are far from Christ.

For even sinners with their lips they praise God daily to be seen of
men, but inwardly in their secret rooms they filled themselves up with
deadmen's bones, for they are not doers of the Word of Christ, but
inwardly they do crave things of the flesh and have become spiritually
dead unto the works of Christ.

Many were called to enter at the gate of Eternal Life, but I know that
few will find their way back unto the Love of God, for the Love of God
is measured by works we render unto God, not by the words we offer
unto God daily to be seen as guiding lights before men.

Your heart is lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm with you
have one foot in heaven and one in hell. When are you going to make
up your mind?

I wish ye were hot or cold, the Lord said, but the happy go lucky
Michael is a pleasure seeker who is lukewarm and is good for nothing.
It's time my Brother Michael that you stop being the yo-yo you are,
for the golden path has dangers to the left and right, and only by
keeping your eyes single to righteousness, can you make through the
strait and straight way to God.

When you set your sails towards God you must hold on to the Words of
Christ to have direction in your life. But once you reach the top of
the holy mountain with the Words of Christ to guide you, then the rest
of the way is a spiritual journey of fasting and prayer.

Yes, I am a true a son of King David, for I am a direct descendant of
Jesus the Christ, and I hold the 'key of David' that can unlock the
greater meanings of the scriptures, and even remove the seven seals of
the book that St. John saw (Rev. 5:1-6):

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book
written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is
worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was
able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I (John) wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and
to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of
the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the
book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four
beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been
slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits
of God sent forth into all the earth.

I can open that for I am the person who wrote that book with seven
seals. The book is called The Visions of Joshua son of Josedech. It
only has seven chapters. And when I am caught up to the throne of
God, men on earth will want to unlock the seals of my book. But there
was no man in the sky above the earth, on the earth, nor below the
earth who could unlock the seals of my book.

Yes, I am one of the Two Witnesses of God, and I am one of seven are
the proxies of Christ, and like the Lamb that was slain, I also will
be slain in April 2023, and there has only been seven like myself sent
to this earth, Noah, Moses, Elijah, David, Peter, Joseph, and myself
Joshua. We are the Seven Spirits of the Holy Menorah that was sent
unto this earth to establish the Kingdom of Heaven. We be the seven
guiding lights if men were not blinded by the light, the seven lights
of the holy menorah if men had the faith to understand, our works
would then bridge this earth with the heavens, and we could then set
up the gate of heaven that hell cannot prevail against.

I can not be more clear than this, but yes, I can loosen the seven
seals thereof, for that book with seven seals was written in my by God
in my heart.

I am not a jealous man, if I were a jealous man God would not have
chosen me before I was born, and if you can show me more than just
praises unto God, I will learn from you too.

– Joshua Israel Gemmell (The Witness in The Hands of Christ.) <G><

[Barry OGrady]

Have you ever made sense?

[Rod]

On 11/12/2012 4:50 PM, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:24:04 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rod
>
> Tell me Rod have you ever seen the face of God?
>
> If not, then how do you claim to know God whom you have never seen?

Through His words and deeds, Joshua.

>
> And if you have seen his face, tell me, what does he looks like; I
> mean the color of his hair, skin, and eyes.
>

To my knowledge I have never seen His face.

[Barry OGrady]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:16:22 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/12/2012 4:50 PM, Joshua Gemmell wrote:

Its not December yet.

God is a faceless enemy.

[Rod]

Joshua....I believe it was you who asked others in another thread for
the way back to God. And now here you are claiming to be one of the
two witnesses.

As I told you before, help is available. I'll find your post and show
it to you, if you would like.

[Michael Christ]

<jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >The human heart is deceitfully wicked, Joshua.  Unless it has been
> >crucified by the Lord and you have been raised up to new life as a new
> >creature in Christ Jesus and given a new heart/Spirit.
>
> >Would you like me to show you yours?
>
> >Michael Christ

Well that is a pretty big mouth full, Joshua.

But permit me to ask one little question on what you have said...

Joshua wrote:
> Many were called to enter at the gate of Eternal Life, but I know that
> few will find their way back unto the Love of God, for the Love of God
> is measured by works we render unto God, not by the words we offer
> unto God daily to be seen as guiding lights before men.

Precisely, "...for the Love of God is measured by works we render unto
God..."

Do you mean, '...for the love for God is measured by works we render
unto God...?"



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 13, 1:16 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/12/2012 4:50 PM, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
>

> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:24:04 -0600, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>      Rod
>
> > Tell me Rod have you ever seen the face of God?
>
> > If not, then how do you claim to know God whom you have never seen?
>
>     Through His words and deeds, Joshua.
>
>
>
> > And if you have seen his face, tell me, what does he looks like; I
> > mean the color of his hair, skin, and eyes.
>
>    To my knowledge I have never seen His face.

If you had seen Him you would know me, instead of believing anything
that comes along from disgruntled and offended accusers.




Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:36:13 +1100, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

Wow, you really get upset when your mentally challenged by another
person. So, if it make you feel better, I will let you win the debate
about God, because it doesn't bar me from going on to the higher level
if I let you feel you won; okay? In fact by being good to you I may
actually get to heaven faster. ;(

Barry: Did you know that 8 core computers are out of date in the

business world? I bought a server which has 2 x quad core
and 8 gigs RAM for not very much, and also a server with
2x dual core and 16 gigs RAM. Sounds like your computer knowledge is
out of date too.

Actually it's the other way around, a 2 x quad core is *older
technology* it been years now since I used one, but the 8 core I just
bought it one month ago! It was so new, I had to upgrade my video
card for the four time this year. And yes it has 16 Gigs of RAM. But
I think that the only way you can tell how up to date you're is by
checking the system rating of your Windows computer. My is at 7.9,
and you cannot go faster than 7.9, this means that all the parts in
your computer are at working at their most optimal speed, even your
hard drives, and I use a flash drive to instantly turn on my computer.
I bet you have to boot up your computer right? I don't have to wait
for my boot up anymore, with my flash drive it is instantly on all the
time at the touch of a button, and you can buy a flash drive for about
$130 dollars, and it has enough room for the operating system.

So for newer technology being more expense I will have to disagree
with you, because twenty years ago I found an old main-frame computer
the size of a refrigerator in Salt Lake City that had been use in
developing the space program, the used thrift stop only wanted $100
Dollars. I called up the company that service the main-frames to come
and take a look and see if it was worth my buy it. They came out and
said it was in perfect shape, and if I bought it, they could rent it
out for me for thousands of dollars each month. I went back to buy,
but it was gone!

So, I didn't write a good description of my computer, but I be glad to
email you a picture.

I really wasn't trying to impress anyone with my knowledge of
computers, but to make the point that electricity exists, but it's the
lower a part of the spirit world.

As for my understanding about computers, I am not literate when it
comes to computers either, I have been around computer for a long
time, our first computer was an apple, and it was one of the first
mass produce computers on the market.

My cousin owns an IBM store, and my younger brother has a degree in
computer forensics, my brother-in-law is a computer analyst, and my
nephew does networking for the nuclear plant. And my friend Tusson
the inventor and a computer program specialist who worked on design of
the Prodigal on-line system, and was a stock market wizard, with a
master's in chemical engineering at Princeton, actually knew Jon von
Neumann, the inventor of the computer chip! My aunt in owns the
keypunch operation in Anaheim, California that did all of Howard
Hughes inventories. So, you can say that I have been around some of
the best in the computer field. <G><

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:23:59 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joshua....I believe it was you who asked others in another thread for
> the way back to God. And now here you are claiming to be one of the
>two witnesses.
>
> As I told you before, help is available. I'll find your post and show
> it to you, if you would like.

Rod, you're a good man, and I think perhaps a better man than me.

But I want to share with other the Truth, however, my life tends to
make religious people jealous. Try to be in my shoes, and imagine if
you found out this June 10th that you were one of the Two Witnesses,
and then you went back to the Bible and all you could find was that
you are actually fulling all the prophecies about the Two Witnesses,
you would then want to share it with others, hoping they would either
support your cause, or help convince you with the scriptures that you
are wrong.

But instead of find people more knowledgeable than myself about the
scriptures, I am only confronted by those who want to mock me for
being one of the Two Witnesses. Now, I think you will agree that the
Two Witnesses are alive right now. However, for a long time I thought
they were Moses and Elijah, then I thought perhaps John the Revelator
and Moses, but then it hit me hard this June 10th, when I found parts
in the Bible that actually connected me with the Two Witnesses.

I would glad to outline all the part in the bible, and if you place
them together you will see how all the scriptures come alive, fit like
a puzzle, and even you will see that I am one of the Two Witnesses,
and I know the other one too, but he may not know it yet. <G><

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:45:46 +1100, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

Barry: Have you ever made sense?

It has never been the ability of the lesser forms of life to
understand the higher forms of life.

While men like you shall always fail to understand the higher forms,
it is not that way with the higher forms, they can if they choose come
down to your level of understanding and speak at your level of
understanding.

Yes, I can if I choose come down to your cognitive understanding
level, but most of my post are directed to the higher forms of life,
whom I would very much like to make contact with.

While it has never been the privilege of those assigned to dwell in
lower reaches of hell, to mount up and go up to heaven, however those
in the higher world can if they are so incline come down to the lower
heavens, or down to hell and speak with the lesser form of
intelligence at a level they can understand.

But to answer your question: Have I ever made sense to a lower level
intelligence, the answer is yes. I post a low level post which I
called "The Truths by Erick Gemmell" If you go to google groups you
can do a search for all the part, I think there were four parts, name
A, B, C, and D, and perhaps you will find then, or and edited version.
And someone like you, had this to say about my post called "The Truths
by Erick Gemmell"...

"maybe Joshua is taking his Meds again.... and had a burst of
reality...."

Here is the first part of my post...

THE TRUTHS by Erick Gemmell a.k.a. Joshua the Just (PART A)

God does not talk to man, because it's an imagination of
the brain that there is a talking God.

We created God in our brains, and now we cannot shake it
off.

The inner sadness that comes to me is from knowing that I
am alone in this universe.

And this universe does not care about my existence, and I
am just taking up space.

The universe may not care but many people do.

What do you attribute this quality within man?

Is this quality inherited or learned?

If you say inherited, then it speaks of a divine nature of God that
men inherit.

If you say it is learned, then why are animals born knowing how to
survive and care for their own kind?

There must be something more to this universe than what I see,
something that fills the vastness of space.

I think it s the life force that all matter has, even the rocks have
it. Its not an uncommon thing to find rocks in the barren lands that
leave trails in the ground, as if the rocks were walking slowing
across the land. This cannot be attribute to strong winds moving the
rocks, for nearby rocks leave trails in different directions.

Yes, there is something all matter inherits and it was never created,
but has always existed, and is a part of matter. Man thinks of God as
many things, but one thing all men assert of God is that God has
always existed. The Deist thinks we cannot come to know God by
revelation, but nature speaks of God when we see the goodness in life
that is not learned.

Still I wonder about it All, but when I see the cold hand of a
murderer, I wonder if that was learned after searing the goodness we
all inherit?


Are we all good at birth? Or do we also inherit evil? It an old
question that goes back to the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.
Surly our first parents have pass it down to us from the beginning.
As I ponder upon these things that happen to us all, I then begin to
understand that both good and evil had a beginning, it was the Tree of
Knowledge, and that God never created that tree, but only planted it
here. That both good and evil have always coincided with God.

Yes, I ponder upon it All, and still I cannot figure it out, if evil
came upon man because of the Tree of Knowledge, then how do I explain
why the Devil and his angels are evil, if they never eat of the Tree
of Knowledge?

So there is more to it All than I can see and understand, so tell me
John, does it trouble you like it troubles me not knowing why man
basically good at birth, when he had no chance to learn about being
good?

Perhaps I am wrong, I shouldn t adequate goodness to innocence. All
men are born innocent but that in itself does not make them good,
their innocence comes from not being able to judge between right and
wrong. Therefore there innocence is a state of ignorance, or should we
say that man is only good once he reaches the age of accountability
when he knows right from wrong. Still I wonder about it All, for nowit
seems to me that goodness in man has much to do with the
development of his brain, as appose to the inherited nature of the
Divine. What is it that develops completely in the brain around the
age of eight that gives man the cognitive ability to know what is
good? Yes, when the child reaches the age of eight, it becomes born
to a new world, one that make him accountable before God. For now that
child know right from wrong, and is a free agent before God.

Yes, I wonder about it All, how it was that the Devil and his demons
were able to acquire this accountability before without having access
to the Tree of Knowledge. Or were they allowed to partake of the Tree
of Knowledge in the spirit world?

I know that it sounds much about nothing, but if I can get to the root
of where good and evil begins then I can come to understand why God is
real. For God exists because the Tree of Knowledge is real, for
without the tree, he would not have had his free agency.

Now, Adam and Eve were fully developed in the brain, they were adults,
but still they thought as children under the age of eight, they were
in a state of innocence. So, I can put away my foolish idea that
children have a fully developed brain at age eight, and that this
bring about their free agency. There must be something that makes us
free agents, if it is not the development of the brain, then it must
be something that we inherit, but it is not apparent to us in the
physical plane that make us account at the age we know right from
wrong. Is it God who decides when we are account and when we are
innocent?

I know that as a child, I knew what was wrong, but I felt there was no
consequences for doing wrong. I also thought that I could not die,
yes, it seems that I knew about wrong but not about its consequences.
I understood fear, and knew it was wrong to be frighten, but still did
understand what it all meant. The facts were clear to my mind, but not
what it meant. So, I still puzzled why at an early age I could not
fight evil, and was easily led to do wrong. The good part was intact,
I understood when I was good or bad. So, knowing good and evil still
did not make me a free agent, for being free to move about and act on
my own did not make me a free agent. For animals move about on their
own, but they are not free agents to choose their destiny. Animals are
forever being controlled by man. So, there I am now, with the thought
that the only thing that makes man free agents, is having the
perception that he can exalt himself or base himself.

And at the age of eight that choice to either exalt oneself or base
oneself comes into play with baptism.

So it is baptism that makes us accountable before God, and since
little children cannot enter until reaching the age of eight, then God
cannot judge little children by the law, for they are under his mercy
until they can enter the water of baptism.

Now, I can cut out all the leaves of a tree, and just examine the
branches. The leaves are the arguments that Deist has about God making
himself known unto man, and the branches are the underline sources for
these arguments. If I examine the branches, I see that it s baptism
that makes God known to man.

One cannot enter heaven without baptism, and where do we find God if
not in heaven?

The Deist refuses to be baptized, and remains the Deist he was. He is
past the age of eight, yet not baptized, but still he is accountable
before God for his refusal to be baptized. Now, I can cast away the
idea that baptism makes us accountable.

My last conclusion considering everything I have said, is that nothing
on earth makes man accountable, only our relationship with God. It is
God that makes us free agents, it is the obeying or disobeying of his
will.

If God does not say "Don t do This" then there is nothing wrong about
do it. For it is God that makes it wrong or right. And since man knows
right and wrong, it is proof that God exists, for man cannot have
known it to be wrong without there having been a God who said it was
wrong.

So, yes, we could carry this on to another level, and say that God is
not needed for an understanding of what wrong is. That we can be good
to one another with the use of religion or a belief in God.

And so I arrive at you John, are you not such a person? You believe in
doing good by your own reasoning, and do not attribute your powers of
reasoning to there being a God. Am I wrong in saying this about you?

To Be Continued....

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:26:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>But permit me to ask one little question on what you have said...
>
>Joshua wrote:
>> Many were called to enter at the gate of Eternal Life, but I know that
>> few will find their way back unto the Love of God, for the Love of God
>> is measured by works we render unto God, not by the words we offer
>> unto God daily to be seen as guiding lights before men.
>
>Precisely, "...for the Love of God is measured by works we render unto
>God..."
>
>Do you mean, '...for the love for God is measured by works we render
>unto God...?"
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

I meant it "Love of God" which is the Tree of Life, and this tree
actually exists, it is called the Tree of Life because whosoever eats
of that tree can never die.

This Tree of Life has twelve types of fruit and can render you
immortal. But most important is that whosoever eats of that tree with
radiated the Love of God. For the fruits are radiating with light
which is the breath of God which gives life. One can only reach that
Tree of Life by hold on to the Word of God.

God is the Word, the Word is the Light, the Light is the Spirit, and
the Spirit is the Power of God, take away any of these things and it
not from God. Therefore if we speak the Truth, then it must be that
the Light of God is in us. But let not your faith be in vain, if you
do not have the Power of God, then it is because you do not have the
Spirit of God, and if you do not have his Spirit, neither can you have
his Light. And if we be wishful thinkers rather than doers, then it
is because the Word of God is not is not being hold on to, and if that
be the case then our hopes in Christ are in vain.

In other words if we have Love of God in us, then it is because we
have Word of God in us, and whosoever keeps all of God's saying shall
never taste of death, for the Word of God is power by which God gave
us Eternal Life.

Eternal Life and Life Eternal are not the same thing. One speaks of
the type of life God has and enjoys, the other speaks of the free gift
that come by the Grace of God which endless life (the resurrection).
<G><

Do trouble yourself to understand it, for God has already written it
in your heart, you just have to remember when he first taught you
these lessons in the spirit world before you were born, it's all
inside of you waiting to be quicken by the Spirit of God. <G><

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:19:21 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:45:46 +1100, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>Barry: Have you ever made sense?

I asked first.

>It has never been the ability of the lesser forms of life to
>understand the higher forms of life.
>
>While men like you shall always fail to understand the higher forms,
>it is not that way with the higher forms, they can if they choose come
>down to your level of understanding and speak at your level of
>understanding.
>
>Yes, I can if I choose come down to your cognitive understanding
>level, but most of my post are directed to the higher forms of life,
>whom I would very much like to make contact with.

You are certainly up yourself but you are not intelligent.

Do you see yourself as a poet or just a raving loony?

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:42:40 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:26:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>But permit me to ask one little question on what you have said...
>>
>>Joshua wrote:
>>> Many were called to enter at the gate of Eternal Life, but I know that
>>> few will find their way back unto the Love of God, for the Love of God
>>> is measured by works we render unto God, not by the words we offer
>>> unto God daily to be seen as guiding lights before men.
>>
>>Precisely, "...for the Love of God is measured by works we render unto
>>God..."
>>
>>Do you mean, '...for the love for God is measured by works we render
>>unto God...?"
>>
>>
>>
>>Michael Christ
>
>I meant it "Love of God" which is the Tree of Life, and this tree
>actually exists, it is called the Tree of Life because whosoever eats
>of that tree can never die.
>
>This Tree of Life has twelve types of fruit and can render you
>immortal. But most important is that whosoever eats of that tree with
>radiated the Love of God. For the fruits are radiating with light
>which is the breath of God which gives life. One can only reach that
>Tree of Life by hold on to the Word of God.

Are you trying to outdo Michael [The] Christ by creating more
insane posts? Surely you don't want to by known as crazier
than the crazy Michael?

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:16:22 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are an honest man Brother Rod. The Spirit tells me you gave true
answers.

Know that I once and only once in my life, had Christ visit me. I had
asked to come, and he came and glided up to my bed and we talked, not
the way men speak, but we understood our thoughts. And God showed me
my whole life, and the only thing he cared about was how I had treated
my fellow man, if I had been kind, and showed them love, he did care
about my titles or if I had wealth, only about the way I treated
others, and if I had ever said something unkind, or hurt full.

And I thought to myself, how wonderful it is to have God love me, no
matter how hurtful and unkind I was to others, because God is perfect
love. Then Christ told me, "It not enough that God loves you, you need
to know God in order to remain safe." And then he disappeared. And
something awful and invisible came on top of me an I felt it wanted to
snuff me out! And I called to God, and told him if he waked me out of
this dream, I would always say that it was a vision that I had. And I
instantly awoke from the dream. Yes, I was in a hotel room across
from Temple Square, and I said that night, if you are inside that
Temple come pay me a visit tonight. And I woke up in my dream, and
could see the hotel room perfectly, and one the wall facing the
Temple, I saw Christ come gliding through the wall and up to my bed.
And when he showed my whole life it was a dozen screens like
televisions, and I could every deed I had done in my life to hurt or
be unkind to another person quickly shown to me, when Christ pointed
his finger toward my mind, after saying, "Have you done everything to
not have disappointed me?" Then he pointed his finger, and I was
presented with the dozen screens.

Yes, he came, but he never allowed me to see his face, only his body.
and he had a hood over his head. Yes, it is true that man is not
allowed to see the face of God, only once you have completed your test
in life are you granted the right to see his face, and once you see
his face you can ask God for anything you want and he shall give it to
you.

It called "Election Made Sure".

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:01:17 +1100, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>Do you see yourself as a poet or just a raving loony?

I am not the romantic type like you, but the realists. I try to make
people like you a better person.

A little better than you were before you meet me. I if I manage to
make you try to be a little, then I have done my good deed for God. I
am only in the service of God when I am looking out for those beneath
me. That is the order of an intelligent universe, not a random
universe. In my universe you don't have to believe in God, you just
have to acknowledge that there is a Higher Intelligence. And if there
is one who is higher in intelligence than another, then there will
always be yet another one higher than they both. And once you get to
the top of the intelligence, then it does not matter if you call him
God, you can call him the father, for he adopted you spiritual and
took care of you throughout your existence. Before he knew you, you
were nothing more than particles of evolution, and God choose the most
intelligent particles to be his spirit children, however yet to earn
the title of son. Therefore, if you choose darkness, you will never be
adopted into the family of God. And even I don't know what will
become of you in outer darkness, beyond the space where there are no
planets or stars. I guess you will find others far older than you,
and more evil than you, are waiting to make sport of you. I would
never want to go to outer darkness, I would rather visit hell, then
pay for my sins and enter the lowest heaven. If you want to know what
hell is like go to Las Vegas, you can have it all in hell, except
honor. And in the end no matter who bad you are, you are going to want
some honor. Then you will want to enter heaven.

Perhaps, I am the fool for trying to save one who really is the loony
one here. Yes, you must be the romantic poet here to want to be a
copout and settle for cheese and crackers in hell instead of a banquet
in heaven. <G><

If I am wrong about heaven and God - I lose nothing. But if you're
wrong then you lost it all.

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:04:59 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Know that I once and only once in my life, had Christ visit me. I had
>asked to come, and he came and glided up to my bed and we talked, not
>the way men speak, but we understood our thoughts. And God showed me
>my whole life, and the only thing he cared about was how I had treated
>my fellow man, if I had been kind, and showed them love, he did care
>about my titles or if I had wealth, only about the way I treated
>others, and if I had ever said something unkind, or hurt full.

I hope you are locked in a secure facility.
Nobody is safe if you are allowed to run free.

Its called schizophrenia.

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:32:56 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:01:17 +1100, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Do you see yourself as a poet or just a raving loony?
>
>
>I am not the romantic type like you, but the realists. I try to make
>people like you a better person.

By dragging me down to your level?

>A little better than you were before you meet me. I if I manage to
>make you try to be a little, then I have done my good deed for God. I
>am only in the service of God when I am looking out for those beneath
>me. That is the order of an intelligent universe, not a random
>universe. In my universe you don't have to believe in God, you just
>have to acknowledge that there is a Higher Intelligence.

I know I shouldn't tease you, but I am not good with mentally
retarded such as you.
I hope your room is securely locked and the walls are padded.

[Rod]

On 11/13/2012 1:22 AM, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:23:59 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joshua....I believe it was you who asked others in another thread for
>> the way back to God. And now here you are claiming to be one of the
>> two witnesses.
>>
>> As I told you before, help is available. I'll find your post and show
>> it to you, if you would like.
>
> Rod, you're a good man, and I think perhaps a better man than me.
>
> But I want to share with other the Truth, however, my life tends to
> make religious people jealous.

Don't worry Joshua, I don't envy anyone.

> Try to be in my shoes, and imagine if
> you found out this June 10th that you were one of the Two Witnesses,
> and then you went back to the Bible and all you could find was that
> you are actually fulling all the prophecies about the Two Witnesses,
> you would then want to share it with others, hoping they would either
> support your cause, or help convince you with the scriptures that you
> are wrong.

Though I would like to do that, in all honesty I cannot. I would
have to know as much as the Father knows, and that of course is impossible.

No, I don't know what it is like to be in your shoes. What I do know
is that a person with a problem is most often the last to know he has
it.

So...if you believe this thing you have told me then offer up some
proof to YOURSELF and me that it is true. If in fact it is, I'll be the
first to tell you. But see Joshua, the big thing is that some people
have delusions that persist, and that isn't of their doing.

But in the end, it is you who has to walk in your shoes, not me, and
should it turn out that you are in fact one of the two I can still say
with certainty that I'm glad I'm not you.

>
> But instead of find people more knowledgeable than myself about the
> scriptures, I am only confronted by those who want to mock me for
> being one of the Two Witnesses.

I'm not mocking you Joshua, I'm concerned that you may be ill
and not realize the depth of it. I can't live up to love for God
neighbor and ignore you.

Now, I think you will agree that the
> Two Witnesses are alive right now. However, for a long time I thought
> they were Moses and Elijah, then I thought perhaps John the Revelator
> and Moses, but then it hit me hard this June 10th, when I found parts
> in the Bible that actually connected me with the Two Witnesses.
>
> I would glad to outline all the part in the bible, and if you place
> them together you will see how all the scriptures come alive, fit like
> a puzzle, and even you will see that I am one of the Two Witnesses,
> and I know the other one too, but he may not know it yet. <G><
>

I can't do any less than listen Joshua, so if it please you to do so
I'm here and paying close attention !

[Rod]

I have no less concern for you. At least I'm a good listener,
and since your name isn't Terry Cross I won't charge you for
reading what you have to say, but I will not re-enforce your
delusions..

[Rod]

Thank you Joshua. It sounds as though you are or have been in Isreal,
is that correct ?

[Rod]

Nor are you qualified to diagnose what the problem is, only that
one exists.

> I hope your room is securely locked and the walls are padded.
>

it is you that should be locked up, to protect the helpless
from torment and insults by you.

Grow up and become responsible, Barry.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:48:40 +1100, Barry OGrady

<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:32:56 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
><sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:01:17 +1100, Barry OGrady
>><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Do you see yourself as a poet or just a raving loony?
>>
>>
>>I am not the romantic type like you, but the realists. I try to make
>>people like you a better person.
>
>By dragging me down to your level?
>
>>A little better than you were before you meet me. I if I manage to
>>make you try to be a little, then I have done my good deed for God. I
>>am only in the service of God when I am looking out for those beneath
>>me. That is the order of an intelligent universe, not a random
>>universe. In my universe you don't have to believe in God, you just
>>have to acknowledge that there is a Higher Intelligence.
>
>I know I shouldn't tease you, but I am not good with mentally
>retarded such as you.
>I hope your room is securely locked and the walls are padded.

Its amusing you should say this to me.

Because it's my mission for the world to capture Satan, place him
inside a seal capstone, like the one-eyed capstone one sees on the US
dollar bill for a thousand years of peace.

My Gemmell Family of Mount Heredom was the first to teach the
Freemasons, since my ancestor St. Germain of Mount Heredom -- *The
Holy House of Freemasonry* was it the founder who created *The First
Mother Lodge of Freemasonry at Kilwinning Abbey*.

My family of Mount Heredom converted the Knights Templar to
Freemasonry, it all written down recently written by the famous
Scottish historian and researcher A.J. Morton, who had his 50 page
thesis that was accepted by the universities and Freemasonry.

And you what on your side; rants? But I have a dissertation to back me
up, that was first given to Freemasons and Professors to verify the
facts before being submitted!

So, I am the one who the academia to back me up, therefore in the eyes
of society I have real knowledge to challenge you that the Gemmell
Family of Dunlop Temple are the holy grail family of Jesus Christ that
the Knights Templar were protecting against the Pope Inquisition, for
I carry the Y-Chromosome of Christ that is past on from father to son
and does not change, and it gives me the divine and legal rights of
succession to reform both church and state. Yes, I am a legal the
legal Vicar of Christ that ten European Kingdoms that should
acknowledge instead of the Pope of Rome.

Therefore, my family is use to the slanderous bigotry of atheists and
the persecution by the Pope, who would thinks it is insulting that my
family has divine and legal rights that trumps his right to be called
to serve as the proxy of Christ and establish the kingdom of Heaven on
earth. Yet the Pope in all his godless glory wants the world to treat
him as the superior proxy of Christ on earth, and all the atheist who
cannot even challenge the Pope's status today, are foolish to even try
to challenge what Freemasonry thinks about my family being the true
rightful heirs of the Kingdom of Mount Moriah, which was sent into
exiled to Mount Heredom. Last time I checked, even Wackenhut was said
to be owned by the Freemasons, if this is true, then they are
responsible for the security of heads of state, even this would never
had come into existence if it had not been from my family's having
first created Freemasonry. In fact there would never even been the
freedom which you enjoy today to mock me if it had not been for the
principles of Freemasonry which my family taught the Masons first.
Yes, the drawings of Freemasonry were covering the ceiling of my
ancestral home of Dunlop Temple (Mount Heredom). Yes, even school
children were taken on trips to see theses original Masonic drawing
on the ceiling, where even the Knights Templar held their secret
meetings and lay plans to introduce Freedom to the world, yes my
family cause the first Revolution for Freedom in the world, when they
sent 9000 Knights Templar to win the Scottish War of Independence in
June 1314, and they defeated the 29,000 English soldiers.

People like you would like to steal the honor that belong to the holy
grail family of Jesus Christ, because it goes against you silly
paradigm that there are rightful descendants of Jesus Christ active in
world affairs, but you should know that real change in the world of
religion can only come if there is a rightful succession to Christ on
this planet. Yes, the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314 was only one of
the battles of freedom that my family helped to win, even during the
World War, my family shipyards which had built over 1300 ships during
it's 80 years of building ships, helped to win the war against the
Nazis, and save your silly butt. How, ignorant you are, silly rabbit.

Can you imagine all the good I could do for atheist?

I could stop the persecution of them around the world, by proclaim
that it is my God given to proclaim that the rights to free to believe
whatever their heart tells them, should be protected, yes I could be
so merciful upon the persecuted atheist.

And protected rights do atheist have today! That was not given to them
by my family? The freedom you cherish today in American were founded
upon principles of Freemasonry, which my family created, of which
influence the father of our country George Washington who made it
clear that the Freedom of our Country was not base upon Christian
principles but Masonic principles! It is silly to think that the
bible outlaw slavery, because slavery is permitted in the bible. It
took the intelligence of my family to introduce freedom in the world,
thus we have Free Man which is what Freemasonry teaches.

Don't you know anything about Freemasonry? You don't have to believe
in religion to be a member, nor do you have to be Christian, nor
anything of the kind to be a member, you just have to accepted by the
order.

That is the Kingdom I want to establish, a kingdom where no man needs
to be taught by another man what to believe in when it come to faith,
and to set in order the Holy House of Freemasonry which has become
misdirected, and to reform both church and state, and protect the
rights all of men to choose what they are willing to believe. You
could not have found a greater supporter of you cause, than me, yet
you like the silly dog that you are howl and bark like a dog against
the pricks of truth meant to heal your wounds.

Which of the two do you blame the most for having destroyed
Christendom?

As everyone knows Christendom is an atheists worst opponent.

Did the atheists or Holy Grail Family of Mount Heredom cause the
Inquisition that destroyed Christendom?

The Inquisition by the Pope started because he discovered that the
Knights Templar were secretly protecting the holy family of Christ who
held he rights of succession. Yes, many Knights Templar were burn to
death because they would not reveal the name of the family of Christ
had adopted. And when the Pope sent men to get the Knights Templar
gold, it was already onboard 40 ships headed out to Scotland where God
had a place prepared for holy family called Mount Heredom.

Yes, my family has lived on Mount Heredom for over a thousand years,
and we lived off the Knights Templar gold for a long time, even
founded many banks.

And the Knights Templar built over 200 structure surrounding my
ancestral home, and we were the ones who created Freemasonry to
continue that protection of the holy family of Christ, the Gemmell
Family of Dunlop Temple (called Mount Heredom in Freemasonry).

Therefore, it clear to everyone that it is the Freemasons with whom
you have your beef, and they are the ones that you must convince
otherwise silly rabbit. Good luck, silly rabbit!

You definitely are just a kid who believes in magic tricks when it
comes to having real knowledge about the world. When you wake up from
dreamland, then we will talk again, but it will because of my pity for
your demise into the cesspool of mockery in your mind that there is
some imagined evil that does not exist in me. As always I must be the
willing one to help the feeble and weak old dog like you, who cannot
learn any new tricks, nor find its way out of darkness, because you
are set in your ways and you cannot be taught anything, your fixed for
life, but that does not mean I shall not have mercy on your kind, and
hope that others shall about your silliness in the future world, and
praise me for having put up with your ignorance. <G><

Wow, did I say all of that to an atheist? Was it because I think Satan
speaks through you, or was it because I am the realist that I am and I
really do have some info to share with others about your brand.

Everyone thinks you are the weak one when it comes to proving things,
so why even try? It is not I that needs religion, but the weak minded
like you who need religion. Yes, the atheists need religion to feel
useful in the world. For somebody you does not believe in God, you
have nothing better to do with yourself than be fighting against an
imaginary evil you called God! How strange, instead of ignoring the
Christians beliefs you feel it's your personal duty to fight this
imaginary God of your silly mind!

Yes, I pity your ranting because you really do not know anything about
me, and by talking against me you only provide me the opportunity to
reveal more about myself. While you don't read my posts to understand
them, others will.

I have experts that speak for me, even experts in my family that can
make you look stupid.

My cousin Marco Antonio Sagastume Gemmell is an Human Rights Expert
for the United Nation, gives speeches around the world, therefore my
family honor is untouchable. Antonio is a Professor of Law and is on
the Supreme Court of his country. He is an author of many books on
human rights. I cannot compare you with my cousin because it would be
unfair to you, because my cousin has already done many things for the
betterment of mankind then your done with your silly atheist notions.

Wise-up, it's never to late for a lazy dog like you to stop being
another Clueless the Clown. <G><

[Rod]

Why do you feel the need to be cruel ? has anyone done anything
in your view to deserve it ?

> I hope your room is securely locked and the walls are padded.
>

Lets lock you away for a while> you have demonstrated a desire to be
cruel. Joshua demonstrated nothing of the sort to you ! Tell me, who is
the sicker of the two; thwe man who knows he is and seeks help, or the
man who doesn't know and continues to inflict cruelty upon others,
knowing that it's wrong ?


Who would that be, barry ?

[Michael Christ]

What you 'think' are delusions...there is a difference.

As you say, some people have delusions that persist.

Trouble is, what is delusion and what is not. :-).

And that is something I am not deluded about. :-).

Praise the Lord.


Michael Christ

[Rod]

I'm glad that you cleared that up.

[Michael Christ]

Some advice, Rod...

Pro_26:4 (KJV) Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou
also be like unto him.




Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:24:10 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>And not one word about this in the bible. How long till they gouge out your
>eyes, cut off your tongue and ears for spilling all this?
>
>
>--
>Peter
>A living Stone
>A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
>Joh 13:34-35 KJV

Dear Brother Peter,

We can know from the scriptures that the holy grail family has always
been persecuted by the tares of Satan if we are to led to find these
words of God in the scriptures.

I understand your lack of knowledge about this, but if you were in my
shoes, then God would have led you to know about this things in the
scriptures, because it would have concern you directly.

Seeing that God only reveals what we need to know, and not that which
we wish to know, I can understand you ignorance in saying it's not in
the bible, because these parts of the bible do concern you, but the
holy grail family. The truth is that it never concern you, therefore
you were never led by God find it.

Now, don't be upset with me because I say I have identified every
place in the bible that speaks directly about myself, because it
concerns me directly, and God wanted me to know about it.

Now, it maybe that even you are mention in the bible, but because it
does not concern me I am not going to be led of God to find it, do you
get the point I am trying to make?

For me to understand that you are mention in the bible, I would have
wait until you choose to show me where, and then I would pray to God
to confirm that what you told me is correct.

However, God never told anyone the correct answer if they were too
lazy to study it out first.

Therefore, seeing that you neither studied it out yourself, nor asked
me to show where it talks about me, nor asked God in prayer after
having read the passage I would have shown you, it no mystery to me
that you are not being led to know the answer.

We only get answers from God on subject we are first willing to study
out, for God not going to make everything known to us just for asking
him to do it.

I hope this helps.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:29:12 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

correction:

>Seeing that God only reveals what we need to know, and not that which

>we wish to know, I can understand [your] ignorance in saying it's not in
>the bible, because these parts of the bible do [not] concern you, but the
>holy grail family. The truth is that [because] it never [concerned] you,

[Joshua Gemmell]

Dear Brother Rod,

Everything you told me sound fair and reasonable. However, I could not
have said it as good as you, for I am not a writer, nor have I
pretended to be. But I have had messages from God, and if we continue
to talk, you too will start to witness a gradual change in my writing,
for it only gets better and better the stronger the Spirit rests upon
us. But I want you to know its not my writing, but the Spirit that
comes to rest upon you.

Yes, I seen it before, after 30 days writing I begin to attract the
attention of experts, take note, because I start to reveal things that
have taken them years to learn. One man once told me that it took him
30 years of studying the bible to figure a certain calculation that
only took me one hour.
My writing is the same as my tongue, there are times when my tongue is
loosen and I begin to speak with the Spirit, things that others have
said they wished they had recorded my speeches because it went so
profound that they were left speechless.

When you say that "I know a person with a problem is most often the

last to know he has it."

Is not applicable in my case, for I know how others see me, and it is
disappointing to me that nothing has changed in 2000 years. The Jews
thought the same way about Jesus, and the Gentiles thought the say way
about Joseph Smith, and the Mormons think the same way about me.
Everyone claims they would not have rejected the truth, but they
rejected the words of Christ. The Jews, Gentiles, and Mormons have
rejected the words of Christ.

In the scriptures it reveals that "the spirit of the prophets are
subject to the prophets." (1 Cor. 14:32) Therefore, if I be a prophet,
it must be true that former prophets are subject to me. And if they be
subject to me, it means I obtained help to understanding their words.

Know that there is no part of the scriptures that I don't understand,
and I like you to know that tribulation period starts in April 2016
and end April 2023. And my mission for the world begins 2019.

Revelations of Nostradamus speaks about me also. And Nostradamus wife
was a Gemmell, her name was Anne Ponsart Gemelle. This is what
Nostradamus had to say about me – that I would appear after the event
9/11 and the resurrection of April 2023, the part that deals with me I
have typed in BOLD LETTERS...

The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.

>THE PRESENT TIME TOGETHER WITH THE PAST
>WILL BE JUDGED BY THE GREAT JOKER:
>THE WORLD TOO LATE WILL BE TIRED OF HIM,
>AND THROUGH THE CLERGY OATH-TAKER DISLOYAL.

The year of the great seventh number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter:
Not far from the great millennial age,
When the buried will go out from their tombs.

Long awaited he will never return
In Europe, he will appear in Asia:
One of the league issued from the great Hermes,
And he will grow over all the Kings of the East.

As you can see Rod, I am the *Great Joker* because everyone thought I
was a joke, but I was for real, and I was called of God to Judge the
world. Now, this is in perfect agreement with the word of Prophet
Zechariah (3:6-7) "And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua,
saying, Thus Saith The LORD of Host; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and
if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou (Joshua) shalt also judge my
house, and shall also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to
walk among these that stand by [my throne]."

Therefore, if that doesn't make any sense to you that Nostradamus and
Zechariah are seeing the same Great Joker being called settle the
Mount Moriah issue about who owns it, then I think I best end my
posts, until the Spirit of God rests more heavy upon your
understanding. <G><

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:46:52 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>My Great,great uncle was a grand Pooh Paw in an area I will not disclose. I
>know the ways

Gibberish?

[Rod]

> Nostradamus had to say about me � that I would appear after the event

I'm having no problem understanding it Joshua. If you would like to
continue then by all means please do. I knew the tribulation had to come
at some point, yet I look forward to God taking the leadership. It is
very gracious of you to have spoken, thank you.

it is my hope that God's blessings find you always.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:29:48 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Some advice, Rod...
>
>Pro_26:4 (KJV) Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou
>also be like unto him.
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

Michael there is a time for everything under the sun, a time to speak,
and a time not to speak - Let Rod Speak, for his righteous indignation
is much admired by the angels of God, and he shall be blessed by God.

(Proverbs 26:5) Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise
in his own conceit.

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:27:13 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Fair comment.

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:33:37 -0600, Joshua Gemmell

<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:48:40 +1100, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:32:56 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
>><sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:01:17 +1100, Barry OGrady
>>><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do you see yourself as a poet or just a raving loony?
>>>
>>>
>>>I am not the romantic type like you, but the realists. I try to make
>>>people like you a better person.
>>
>>By dragging me down to your level?
>>
>>>A little better than you were before you meet me. I if I manage to
>>>make you try to be a little, then I have done my good deed for God. I
>>>am only in the service of God when I am looking out for those beneath
>>>me. That is the order of an intelligent universe, not a random
>>>universe. In my universe you don't have to believe in God, you just
>>>have to acknowledge that there is a Higher Intelligence.
>>
>>I know I shouldn't tease you, but I am not good with mentally
>>retarded such as you.
>>I hope your room is securely locked and the walls are padded.
>
>Its amusing you should say this to me.

I apologise. I should not have teased you.

>Because it's my mission for the world to capture Satan, place him
>inside a seal capstone, like the one-eyed capstone one sees on the US
>dollar bill for a thousand years of peace.

Whatever floats your boat.
I will comment no further.

[Linda Lee]

That's probably a good idea, and I'm impressed with your response.
Looks like someone somehow has done their good deed for God.

Many mentally ill people who become interested in the Scriptures think
the writings are referring directly to them or think God has chosen
them out of all the people in the world for a special purpose that no
one else has ever been able to fulfill. We've had many chosen ones,
one of the "two witnesses", and even returning Messiahs here.

That does not mean that God does not reveal himself to believers or
maybe even to unbelievers; it just means that those who are blessed
enough to receive something like that are not all that unique in the
overall scheme of things.

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:52:36 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:32:28 -0600, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
>
>> Know that there is no part of the scriptures that I don't understand,
>> and I like you to know that tribulation period starts in April 2016
>> and end April 2023. And my mission for the world begins 2019.
>

>Rev_16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth
>of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of
>the false prophet.
>There is no Godly spirt coming in the midst of the troubled times.

You see God as a spirt?

>--
>Peter

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> >Some advice, Rod...
>
> >Pro_26:4  (KJV)  Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou
> >also be like unto him.

Joshua wrote:
> Michael there is a time for everything under the sun, a time to speak,
> and a time not to speak - Let Rod Speak, for his righteous indignation
> is much admired by the angels of God, and he shall be blessed by God.
>
> (Proverbs 26:5) Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise
> in his own conceit.

Your timing is wrong. :-).

Barry is a serial fool. :-).




Michael Christ

[Linda Lee]

On Nov 14, 4:06 am, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I think the message there in Prov. 26:4-5 is not to answer to a fool
at all.

Pro 26:1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not
seemly for a fool.
Pro 26:2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the
curse causeless shall not come.
Pro 26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for
the fool's back.
Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be
like unto him.
Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his
own conceit.
Pro 26:6 He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off
the feet, and drinketh damage.
Pro 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the
mouth of fools.
Pro 26:8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth
honour to a fool.
Pro 26:9 As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a
parable in the mouth of fools.
Pro 26:10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the
fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
Pro 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his
folly.
Pro 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more
hope of a fool than of him.

[Michael Christ]

Joshua wrote:
>>Many were called to enter at the gate of Eternal Life, but I know that
>>few will find their way back unto the Love of God, for the Love of God
>>is measured by works we render unto God, not by the words we offer
>>unto God daily to be seen as guiding lights before men.

Michael Christ wrote:
>But permit me to ask one little question on what you have said...

>Precisely, "...for the Love of God is measured by works we render unto
>God..."

>Do you mean, '...for the love for God is measured by works we render
>unto God...?"


Joshua wrote:
> I meant it "Love of God" which is the Tree of Life,

"for the Love of God is measured by works we render unto God,"

Okay, so how is the love of God measured by works we render unto God?




Michael Christ


> and this tree
> actually exists, it is called the Tree of Life because whosoever eats
> of that tree can never die.

> This Tree of Life has twelve types of fruit and can render you
> immortal. But most important is that whosoever eats of that tree with
> radiated the Love of God. For the fruits are radiating with light
> which is the breath of God which gives life. One can only reach that
> Tree of Life by hold on to the Word of God.
>
> God is the Word, the Word is the Light, the Light is the Spirit, and
> the Spirit is the Power of God, take away any of these things and it
> not from God. Therefore if we speak the Truth, then it must be that
> the Light of God is in us.  But let not your faith be in vain, if you
> do not have the Power of God, then it is because you do not have the
> Spirit of God, and if you do not have his Spirit, neither can you have
> his Light.  And if we be wishful thinkers rather than doers, then it
> is because the Word of God is not is not being hold on to, and if that
> be the case then our hopes in Christ are in vain.
>
> In other words if we have Love of God in us, then it is because we
> have Word of God in us, and whosoever keeps all of God's saying shall
> never taste of death, for the Word of God is power by which God gave
> us Eternal Life.
>
> Eternal Life and Life Eternal are not the same thing.  One speaks of
> the type of life God has and enjoys, the other speaks of the free gift
> that come by the Grace of God which endless life (the resurrection).
> <G><
>
> Do trouble yourself to understand it, for God has already written it
> in your heart, you just have to remember when he first taught you
> these lessons in the spirit world before you were born, it's all
> inside of you waiting to be quicken by the Spirit of God. <G><

[Barry OGrady]

You are in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without
a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to
his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever
shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

God is in danger of hell fire.

Luke 12:20
But God said unto him, [Thou] fool, this night thy soul shall be
required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast
provided?

Too easy because you are too simple.

>Michael Christ

[Barry OGrady]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:18:57 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:

>On Nov 14, 4:06 am, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> > >Some advice, Rod...
>>
>> > >Pro_26:4  (KJV)  Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou
>> > >also be like unto him.
>> Joshua wrote:
>> > Michael there is a time for everything under the sun, a time to speak,
>> > and a time not to speak - Let Rod Speak, for his righteous indignation
>> > is much admired by the angels of God, and he shall be blessed by God.
>>
>> > (Proverbs 26:5) Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise
>> > in his own conceit.
>>
>> Your timing is wrong.  :-).
>
>
>I think the message there in Prov. 26:4-5 is not to answer to a fool
>at all.

The message is that God is a fool because he creates fools.

["spirit.-"]

> You see God as a spirt?
>
>>--
>>Peter

yes Joh 4:23 But the the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him
must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And now is. This was spoken by Jesus BC"

Note the use of capitols on the "spirit".

It would be an error to inject the doctrines of the past 100 years each
time "spirit" is used. For example to worship in spirit is not referring
to the Holy Spirit. So "true" worship has nothing to do with the doctrines
introduced in the past 100 years.

[Linda Lee]

On Nov 14, 5:07 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:18:57 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 14, 4:06 am, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> Michael Christ wrote:
> >> > >Some advice, Rod...
>
> >> > >Pro_26:4  (KJV)  Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou
> >> > >also be like unto him.
> >> Joshua wrote:
> >> > Michael there is a time for everything under the sun, a time to speak,
> >> > and a time not to speak - Let Rod Speak, for his righteous indignation
> >> > is much admired by the angels of God, and he shall be blessed by God.
>
> >> > (Proverbs 26:5) Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise
> >> > in his own conceit.
>

>

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:40:17 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:

>That's probably a good idea, and I'm impressed with your response.
>Looks like someone somehow has done their good deed for God.
>
>Many mentally ill people who become interested in the Scriptures think
>the writings are referring directly to them or think God has chosen
>them out of all the people in the world for a special purpose that no
>one else has ever been able to fulfill. We've had many chosen ones,
>one of the "two witnesses", and even returning Messiahs here.
>
>That does not mean that God does not reveal himself to believers or
>maybe even to unbelievers; it just means that those who are blessed
>enough to receive something like that are not all that unique in the
>overall scheme of things.

I understand everything, and I think you're a wise and knowledgeable
person, but you failed to describe my circumstance and I think it
because I am not a writer, however I do have a message to share.

Try to understand my predicament of my situation, when I talk to the
Witnesses of God, he tells me, "Just live your life without telling
anyone; if God wants it to come to past even if you don't tell anyone
it will happen."

Now, he is wiser than me I think, but he knows how special I am and he
knows that he has been given the power of God in his right hand.

Now, I understand everyone's concern about me being sick in the head,
but I like to point out that the scripture reveal that this was going
to be what everyone would think about me.

Therefore, whenever says I am sick in the head, it only reinforces my
belief that I am the one who I say I am, because the scriptures say
that everyone was going to be rejected and think that I am sick in
the head.

Now, try to see me in a better light, because you have not offered a
methodology for testing if I am right about whom I think I am, but you
have given me your judgment about my mental state without any
methodology for test if I am sick or not, and you are only relying
upon a misunderstood state that I made about being mislabeled in the
past, and no matter how many times I tell it to Mr. Manning, he
complete ignores the story of I was mislabeled.

I think in all fairness, the following counsel could be the best
course anyone could take...

(Proverbs 9:8) Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise
man, and he will love thee.

I did use not use a proverb using "fool", because it connotation is
offensive and derogatory, and I think that it will only work to
inflame the situation even more were I to use the word "fool".

Now, I understand why there are godly men like "Rod" who would want to
come to my aide, and I also understand how shocking my messages seems
to everyone. But I want everyone to know that I am just a work in
progress, God has not revealed everything to me, I do know something
things, and perhaps that is why I sometime go overboard with the whole
theme of my being who I say I am. And it I present to you my belief,
I hope there is someone here knowledge to show me how wrong I am in my
understanding of certain key scriptures.

Know that it all been very gradual, a line upon line, a concept upon
concept, a vision upon vision, and a mystery upon mystery, but I still
don't have the complete picture of what I am being called to do. I
come here hoping to be set free of any strong delusions, or see others
come to the same conclusions as me.

However, when you have others visiting with you without you saying
anything, and they come because God told them to come and search you
out, then you will start to believe the way I do. Know that if were
not for the others giving me confirmation I would have forgotten all
the miracles and angels who have come to visit me, and just call it
wishful thinking, but I kept getting these confirmations from visitors
and God is telling them the same thing about me.

Now, if it turns out that I am wrong, then it would make sense that
you're the one with the greater understanding of the scriptures, so if
there is no metrology for proving me right, then I propose that you
test my understanding of the scriptures against yours; okay?

I will pick a chapter in the bible and ask you to identify who is
being described in that chapter, I will also give you a multiple
choice selection to pick, that way you will see that I understand
clearly what is the normal understanding is about that chapter, but I
also will be offering you the inspired understanding I have received
about that chapter. Then once I see what you understand is about that
chapter, I will then explain why I think your wrong; okay? Perhaps,
you feel that someone more knowledge should be the one to test me,
then I understand, but then you should understand that pasting
judgement on my mental state without testing, make you a false
Witness.

I am wrong about reveling before time, but the Prophet Zechariah said
that Joshua was going to be forgiven, and given another chance in
Zech. Chapter 3:3-4. My transgression are that I reveal things to the
unworthy.


HERE IS THE TEST Chapter Isaiah Chapter 53
Isaiah speaks about the Messiah幽is humiliation and suffering are
described幽e makes his soul an offering for sin and makes intercession
for the transgressor.

Question: Who did Prophet Isaiah write about, A) Jesus Christ; B)
Joshua Gemmell; C) Jesus Christ & Joshua Gemmell

Give me your pick, and then I will explain to you why you are wrong
and I am right; sound fair?

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

corrections:

>Try to understand my predicament of my situation, [there are
Two Witnesses, and I am not alone, when I talk to the
other witness] of God, he tells me, "Just live your life without
telling anyone; and if God wants it to come to past even if you don't

tell anyone it will happen."
>

>He is wiser than me, but knows how special I am and he

>knows that he has been given the power of God in his right hand.
>
>Now, I understand everyone's concern about me being sick in the head,

>but I like to point out that the scriptures reveal that this was going

>to be what everyone would think about me.
>

Therefore, whenever [anyone] says I am sick in the head, it only
reinforces the belief that I am the one, because the scriptures say
>that everyone was going to be rejected [me because they] think

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

correction:

>Now, try to see me in a better light, because you have not offered a
>methodology for testing if I am right about whom I think I am, but you
>have given me your judgment about my mental state without any

>methodology for test if I am sick or not, and [your] only relying
>upon a misunderstood [the statement] that I made about being

mislabeled in the past, and no matter how many times I tell it to Mr.

Manning, he complete ignores the story [that] I was mislabeled.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

correction:

>I did not use a proverb [with] "fool", because it connotation is
>offensive and derogatory, I think that it will only work to
>inflame [a] situation even more were I to use the word "fool".

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

correction:

>
>Now, I understand why there are godly men like "Rod" who would want to
>come to my aide, and I also understand how shocking my messages seems
>to everyone. But I want everyone to know that I am just a work in

>progress, God has not revealed everything to me, [but] I do know somethings,
>and that is why I sometimes go overboard with the whole
>theme of my being who I say I am. And I present to you my belief,
>[in] hope [that] someone here [knowledgable will] show me how wrong I am in my
>understanding of certain key scriptures [that are driving me to beleive what I beleive].

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A Note Of Explanation: why I make so many mistakes--

It is in my nature to stutter both in word and print. I don't know why
I have this weakness, but I think it is to keep me humble. I was
forty years old when I began to receive eternal knowledge from the
Lord Our Righteousness.<G><

[Rod]

On 11/14/2012 9:25 PM, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
> <sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A Note Of Explanation: why I make so many mistakes--
>
> It is in my nature to stutter both in word and print.

I see no condemnation Joshua.

I don't know why
> I have this weakness, but I think it is to keep me humble. I was
> forty years old when I began to receive eternal knowledge from the
> Lord Our Righteousness.<G><
>

God's plan has been unfolding for many years now Joshua. The wisest
choice is to step back and allow the plan to unfold, when you do this
the events will determine the truth and everyones questions will be
satisfied.


Have a good evening Joshua.

[Linda Lee]

On Nov 14, 9:52 pm, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:40:17 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
>

> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >That's probably a good idea, and I'm impressed with your response.
> >Looks like someone somehow has done their good deed for God.
>
> >Many mentally ill people who become interested in the Scriptures think
> >the writings are referring directly to them or think God has chosen
> >them out of all the people in the world for a special purpose that no
> >one else has ever been able to fulfill. We've had many chosen ones,
> >one of the "two witnesses", and even returning Messiahs here.
>
> >That does not mean that God does not reveal himself to believers or
> >maybe even to unbelievers; it just means that those who are blessed
> >enough to receive something like that are not all that unique in the
> >overall scheme of things.
>
> I understand everything, and I think you're a wise and knowledgeable
> person, but you failed to describe my circumstance and I think it
> because I am not a writer, however I do have a message to share.
>
> Try to understand my predicament of my situation, when I talk to the
> Witnesses of God, he tells me, "Just live your life without telling
> anyone; if God wants  it to come to past even if you don't tell anyone
> it will happen."
>
> Now, he is wiser than me I think, but he knows how special I am and he
> knows that he has been given the power of God in his right hand.
>
> Now, I understand everyone's concern about me being sick in the head,
> but I like to point out that the scripture reveal that this was going
> to be what everyone would think about me.

Where in the Scriptures exactly does it say this?

>
> Therefore, whenever says I am sick in the head, it only reinforces my
> belief that I am the one who I say I am, because the scriptures say
> that everyone was going to be rejected and think that I am  sick in
> the head.

Where in the Scriptures exactly does it say this?

>
> Now, try to see me in a better light, because you have not offered a
> methodology for testing if I am right about whom I think I am, but you
> have given me your judgment about my mental state without any
> methodology for test if I am sick or not, and you are only relying
> upon a misunderstood state that I made about being mislabeled in the
> past, and no matter how many times I tell it to Mr. Manning, he
> complete ignores the story of I was mislabeled.
>
> I think in all fairness, the following counsel could be the best
> course anyone could take...
>
> (Proverbs 9:8) Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise
> man, and he will love thee.
>
> I did use not use a proverb using "fool", because it connotation is
> offensive and derogatory, and I think that it will only work to
> inflame the situation even more were I to use the word "fool".
>
> Now, I understand why there are godly men like "Rod" who would want to
> come to my aide, and I also understand how shocking my messages seems
> to everyone.  But I want everyone to know that I am just a work in
> progress, God has not revealed everything to me, I do know something
> things, and perhaps that is why I sometime go overboard with the whole
> theme of my being who I say I am.  And it I present to you my belief,
> I hope there is someone here knowledge to show me how wrong I am in my
> understanding of certain key scriptures.

I would think that if you were given a special mission by God, your
mission would be your focus, and not that everyone recognize you for
being "special" in this way. In other words, you'd work to further
your mission, and not work to be recognized. What exactly do your
think is your mission? Or do you not know; you just know you're
special?

>
> Know that it all been very gradual, a line upon line, a concept upon
> concept, a vision upon vision, and a mystery upon mystery, but I still
> don't have the complete picture of what I am being called to do.

Oh, I see you answer my question.

>
> I come here hoping to be set free of any strong delusions, or see others
> come to the same conclusions as me.

If you are recognized as special or if you are accused of being
mentally ill; either will confirm you are right that you are special?

>
> However, when you have others visiting with you without you saying
> anything, and they come because God told them to come and search you
> out, then you will start to believe the way I do.  Know that if were
> not for the others giving me confirmation I would have forgotten all
> the miracles and angels who have come to visit me, and just call it
> wishful thinking, but I kept getting these confirmations from visitors
> and God is telling them the same thing about me.
>
> Now, if it turns out that I am wrong, then it would make sense that
> you're the one with the greater understanding of the scriptures, so if
> there is no metrology for proving me right, then I  propose that you
> test my understanding of the scriptures against yours; okay?

You'll have to be specific about which Scriptures you believe refer to
you.

>
> I will pick a chapter in the bible and ask you to identify who is
> being described in that chapter, I will also give you a multiple
> choice selection to pick, that way you will see that I understand
> clearly what is the normal understanding is about that chapter, but I
> also will be offering you the inspired understanding I have received
> about that chapter.

I am particularly interested in seeing what Scripture you refer to
that says you, or someone, will be rejected as mentally ill.

> Then once I see what you understand is about that
> chapter, I will then explain why I think your wrong; okay?  Perhaps,
> you feel that someone more knowledge should be the one to test me,
> then I understand, but then you should understand that pasting
> judgement on my mental state without testing, make you a false
> Witness.

I have not passed judgment on you. And I am not a "scorner"; I
believe in miracles occurring in this present day and in the past, and
have experienced a couple myself.

>
> I am wrong about reveling before time, but the Prophet Zechariah said
> that Joshua was going to be forgiven, and given another chance in
> Zech. Chapter 3:3-4.  My transgression are that I reveal things to the
> unworthy.
>
> HERE IS THE TEST Chapter Isaiah Chapter 53

> Isaiah speaks about the Messiah—His humiliation and suffering are
> described—He makes his soul an offering for sin and makes intercession

> for the transgressor.
>
> Question: Who did Prophet Isaiah write about, A) Jesus Christ; B)
> Joshua Gemmell; C) Jesus Christ & Joshua Gemmell
>
> Give me your pick, and then I will explain to you why you are wrong
> and I am right; sound fair?

First things first; tell me the Scripture you think refers to you as
being rejected for being mentally ill, as you've claimed before to be
one of the Two Witnesses, so I would think it must refer to them.
Right?

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:24:59 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:54:19 +1100, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:52:36 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:32:28 -0600, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Know that there is no part of the scriptures that I don't understand,
>>>> and I like you to know that tribulation period starts in April 2016
>>>> and end April 2023. And my mission for the world begins 2019.
>>>

>> You see God as a spirt?
>>
>>>--
>>>Peter
>

>yes
>Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall

>worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
>worship him.
>Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
>spirit and in truth.
>
>And now is. This was spoken by Jesus BC

I don't want to upset you, but your seeing things from a human
perspective.

If you want to know God's perspective � try looking at it from His
point of view.

When we say Spirit and Flesh we human are making a distinction from
our point of view.
In the eyes of God all matter is *Spirit Matter*, because all things
are present unto God, and He makes not distinction between spiritual
matter called Spirit and physical matter called Flesh.

It is only human who need to make the distinction between spiritual
and physical, because when people die, humans cannot see the spirit
matter leaving the physical body.

However, from God's point of view, when a person dies, He will
continue to can see their spirit body, so from God's point of view
that person is still alive in the spirit, and there is no need to make
a distinction from Him point of view.

So, from God's point of view all things are spiritual, spirit matter,
and the only difference is that the spirit substance is a finer spirit
matter, and the physical flesh is a grosser spirit matter.

So from God's point of view all things, including mankind is spirit
matter.

I know it hard for you to understand this but try to understand this
scripture....

(Ephesians 6:12) "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

If you can understand it, then you can understand why "unclean spirits
like frogs" are demons.

And now you can understand why in the battle of Armageddon there will
be 200 million army on the side of Gog � Because he will have 200,000
men of the flesh, and each man will be possessed by 100 demons.
Therefore (200,000 men X 100 demons) = 200 million.


(Revelation 9:16) "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two
hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."

There is no way on earth that you can mobilize 200 million men to
Megiddo, because it took the United States one year just to move half
million to Iraq. Therefore if you are moving 200 million it would
take at this rate of half a million a year, 400 million earth years.
The only way to understand this part of prophecy is that John is
revealing the future from God's perspective, and God does not make the
distinction between men (flesh and blood) and demons (evil spirits)
and what John reveals is that he saw 200,000 men each possessed by 100
evil spirits.

Therefore when you read the book of Revelation, and it talks about
"frogs come out of the mouth of dragon, and out of the mouth of the
beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet" we are not given the
number "three" to mean that there will only be three men in the flesh,
but that these evil spirits will hop around like frogs, from one body
to the next useable body.

Do you understand what I am saying? Take for example, the Pope, if he
is possessed by a unclean spirit (frog), and dies of old age, the frog
then jump on to the next one that comes ago, in this case, the next
Pope.

Now, John reveal; that there are three main characters, but theses
characters can be a long line of Popes, or Kings, or whatever. Get
the point?

I will not tell you who the Dragon, Beast, or False Prophet could be,
because you would have to understand that John is see this through
God's eyes, and God can see all things at once, the beginning to the
end of this earth all at once, and you have to stop trying to see it
all from man's point of view to get picture.

Here allow me to give you an example: when John talk about the "Beast
that rose from the sea"...

(Revelation 13:1) "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a
beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and
upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

What do you understand it to mean?

I will tell, it means that the "Beast" from God's point of view is the
land mass rise up from the Mediterranean Sea. It took place not in the
future, but in the past, long time ago the geologist tells us that the
"land mass we call Italy once rose from the sea" � out of all the land
mass that we see in that part of the world, only Italy did not exist,
and rose out of the sea. Therefore, from looking at it from God's
perceptive I was able to identify the Beast as being Italy. Now, if I
am right the rest of the scriptures about the BEAST will start to make
sense, for example...

(Rev. 17: 7) "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that
carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."

Now we know that the BEAST (Italy) is carrying (the woman), and by
reading the (Rev. 17:5) "...upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF
THE EARTH." We now know that the BEAST (Italy) is carrying "BABYLON
THE GREAT", which has to be a city in Italy!

How do we know for sure? By watching the rest fit together, (Rev. 17:
18) "And the woman which thou sawest is the great city, which reigneth
over the kings of the earth."

Now we know the BEAST (Italy) is carrying BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS (Rome), which reigneth over the Ten European
Kingdoms. There has already been ten kingdoms under the Pope, the
last kingdom was Greece.

How do we know that there would be ten kingdoms, by reading (Rev.
17:12) "And the ten horns which thou sawest are TEN KINGS, which have
received no kingdom as yet, but received power as kings one hour with
the beast."

Now, we know that what John saw were the breakup of the Holy Roman
Empire, which when it broke up became the ten kingdoms of Europe. And
Greece was the last kingdom to rise, and it did in fact had one hour
with the with the BEAST (ITALY). One hour here is in reference to
God's time, which is a little over 40 years. The Kingdom of Greece AD
1830 - 1974, equals a period of time of 144 years, therefore it did in
fact have one hour with the beast. And the same can be said about the
other nine European Kingdoms, therefore, its ignorance to be looking
toward the European Union to fulfill this prophecy, when it has
already taken place.

I can continue if you like, but what's the point in doing so, you are
ready made up your mind that nobody but you know the answers. <G><

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:16 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:

>> HERE IS THE TEST Chapter Isaiah Chapter 53

>> Isaiah speaks about the Messiah鎻is humiliation and suffering are
>> described鎻e makes his soul an offering for sin and makes intercession

>> for the transgressor.
>>
>> Question: Who did Prophet Isaiah write about, A) Jesus Christ; B)
>> Joshua Gemmell; C) Jesus Christ & Joshua Gemmell
>>
>> Give me your pick, and then I will explain to you why you are wrong
>> and I am right; sound fair?
>
>First things first; tell me the Scripture you think refers to you as
>being rejected for being mentally ill, as you've claimed before to be
>one of the Two Witnesses, so I would think it must refer to them.
>Right?

(Isaiah 53:3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows,
and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him;
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

(Isaiah 53:4) 貶urely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and
afflicted.

Do you see my point? I am that "man of sorrows" for I am acquainted
with grief whenever I give my report of having seen the "arm of the
Lord Jesus Christ revealed in my affairs, unlike anyone before me.

Yes, I have borne everyone's griefs, and carried everyone's sorrows
that there is no peace on earth because Satan control of the kingdoms
of this world, however every when they hear my report about having
been bruised in the heel by Satan when I was five years old, quickly
starts to hid their faces from me, and think I am sick in the head.

And yes I am the tender plant that as plant which Prophet Isaiah
reveals in Isaiah 11:1-4 "And there shall come forth a *ROD* out of
the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the
spirit of the LORD [Jesus Christ] shall rest upon him, the spirit of
wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit
of knowledge, and of the fear of he LORD; and shall make him of quick
understanding in the fear of the LORD [Jesus Christ]: and he shall not
judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing
of his ears: but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and
reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the
earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall
he slay the wicked."

Do you see what I am saying? I am the tender rod that budded from the
Stem of Jesse (family tree of Christ), and the Branch that grew of the
roots of my father was his firstborn child who brought forth a Branch
(the one of the Two Witnesses).


SO, Isaiah is saying that the Two Witnesses are related to Jesus
Christ, they are from the Holy Grail Family of Christ, and their
mission for the world is to reclaim the that which King David their
ancestor bought with gold, called Mount Moriah, which was given to
King David's Family has a eternal inheritance, only the Two Witnesses
had the divine right and legal rights to reclaim what was never sold
away, and the Two Witnesses will then built the Jerusalem Temple on
Mount Moriah. But before this can happen, the Two Witnesses must be
resurrected before the world, because the tribe of Judah requires a
sign, our resurrection will be the sign that we were indeed called to
built the Temple.

Now, the Prophet Zechariah reveals that it will not be the Jews of the
tribe of Judah that shall built the Jerusalem Temple, yes I know the
Jews are report to have all the material of the temple in storage
right now, just wait for the chance to build it. But according to
Prophet Zechariah, it will be the Two Witnesses that accomplish this
task to build the temple, because only they have the legal and divine
rights to reclaim the temple mount!

(Zech. 6:11-13) "Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set
them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech (Jesus), the high
priest: and speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD [Jesus
Christ] of Hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH
(David); and he shall grow up out of his place [in America], and he
shall build the temple of the LORD [in Jerusalem]: even he shall build
the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and
rule upon his throne [the Throne of David]; and he shall be a priest
upon his throne [which thing old King David was never a priest]: and
the counsel of peace shall be between them both [the Two Witnesses].

Now, I don't understand why all the jealous among the men of the
church, and clearly, if I could I would not want to drink this bitter
cup, that I must lay down my life, but I came to do the will of Him
that sent me.

Did you know that I was the first prophecy that God gave in the bible?

Yes, and I don't feel that this makes me happy to know, because I
God's secret weapon against Satan, and that is why I am being cut some
slack by God...

(Zech. 3:3) "Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood
before the angel."

(Zech. 3:4-5) "And he answered and spake unto those that stood before
him, saying, Take away the filthy garment from him. And unto him he
said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass form thee, and I
will clothe thee with change of raiment. And I said, Let them set a
fair mitre upon his head. So the set a fair mitre upon his head, and
clothed him with garments, And the angel of the LORD stood by."

Do you know that the first prophecy given by God was Genesis 3:15?

(Genesis 3:15) "And I will put enmity between thee (Satan) and the
woman (Kingdom of God), and between thy seed [the tares] and her seed
[the wheat]; it (Joshua) shall bruise thy head [over the kingdom of
this world], and thou shalt bruise his [right] heel."


What we have he is God telling Satan from the beginning what his end
will be on earth! Yes, I was the one chose to be God's secret weapon
against Satan, because there is a law in heaven that says that Satan
cannot use his own hands to harm a child under eight years old. Satan
must use a human because the of demands justice if he ever harms a
child under eight years of age with his own hands! And I was the
first to be harmed by Satan own hands, and I was only five years old.

Yes, I have told the story many times, how I was playing in an large
open field on top of two trailers that were hitch together, all of the
sudden all the other older children ran out of the field, and a man
dress in a three piece black suit wearing a black hat with a small
brim, appeared before me and started talking to me, he said, "If you
don't get off the trailers you are going to get hurt." My older
sister saw the man talking to me, and my mother saw me in a vision
getting hurt and was on her way to help me! And no sooner that this
man in black told me I was going to get hurt, the trailers moved and
my right heel was bruised to the very bone. As I felt the warm blood
soak my foot, I yelled for the man in black to help me, and I witness
him disappear before my eyes!

My mom could not speak English, and God sent a German with a car, and
he carried me to the hospital, and said, "If he need blood I will
provide the blood for him." Yes, my mother ancestors are German, and
Spanish. So, I have no doubt he was an ancestor of mine sent to help
me. Because it before, I was only two years old and my sister gave me
a bunch of baby aspirins and my face turned blue, and a my mother ran
to the nearby store, and the owner closed his shop didn't understand
my mom but knew that something was wrong, and took me an my sister to
hospital and there my mom crying because she could not speak English,
as my mother enter the elevator of the hospital because they were
going to separate me and my sister and put us in to different floors,
and my mother could not be with both of us, and was crying, a Doctor
enter the elevator and could speak the same language as my mother, and
had the same last name as my mother and he said, "I to look for you
for I knew you had the same name as me." My mother told him that they
were going to put us in two different rooms, and she didn't know what
she could do, the doctor said, I will take care of it they shall be in
the same room, and I will have another bed put in there for you to
stay with them during the night. yes, he took care of us like family,
even provide the transportation when it when we were ready to go the
next day. Yes, you say you believe in miracles, my whole life filled
with, certainly God has had an interest in my affairs throughout my
existence upon this earth.

Now, it would be many years before I would learn why God had sent his
angel to warn me that I was going to get hurt in that open field, and
the angel do nothing at all to stop it from happening, but actually
cause it to happen.

After I received the priesthood at age twelve, I was asking God in
prayer why his angel did help to stop my heel from being bruise to
the very bone. Because I had to live with that scar all my life as a
remind of what had happened that day in a small Cajun town. God told
me to go an open the family bible to see where it parted, and I did it
as he commanded, and it opened to Genesis 3:15, and God told me that
it had been Satan who appeared before me, and that He (Jesus) had to
part the scrolls before he began his mission on earth also.

Well, what am I do to - hide the fact that God loves me and has had an
interest in all of affairs upon this earth? That would offend our
God, I must be the Witness of his mighty hands, and if I must suffer
grief I do it willing for the glory of Christ my Lord.

Now, because I was harmed by Satan's own hands, this give me the right
to direct the priesthood of God in capturing Satan and bring him in
chains before the Lord, during the coronation of Jesus Christ as Ruler
of the Universe, before 100 million representatives of other earths
like ours. Then I am going to have the keys of the earth removed
from Satan who uses these key that he took with him to have control
over the elements of this earth, and to bring about a veil of darkness
over the mind of men that prevents all men from living as brothers.

Yes, I shall usher in the new age of peace for a thousand years, once
Satan is placed within a sealed capstone like the one you see on the
US dollar bill, and putting that capstone on top of a pyramid in
Egypt. And placing guards around the Khufu Pyramid.

Now, I have very right to crush Satan's head over mankind, his
authority over the kingdom of this earth will come to an end soon, and
the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of Lord Our
Righteousness

Now, why all the jealous among the men of the church, somebody has to
do the work, and it was me, now I never wanted to be one of the Two
Witnesses, because who wants to be hated? Not me, I love God and I
love my fellow man, but what am I to do? Tell God I will not obey him?

If God tells me that my mission starts in the middle of the
Tribulation in 2019, who am I to say no to God? However, I will not
be alone, I will have the angels of God do whatever I predict.

For example Wormwood, everyone things its a "star", but we know that
if a star hits the earth that would be the end of all life. So, God
tells me it not a star, but it only looks like a star, and if we were
to see the star close up we would know that it was an angel that came
down upon the Amazon River Basin and turn one third of the fresh
waters on earth bitter.

Well I sorry if I told you too much, but I have the spirit of sharing,
and perhaps that is why God will cut me some slack, because I know
that God's angels are upset with me tell others what is going to take
place, because the angels tell me, "yes, it truth, but don't give what
is holy unto dogs!"

But I am a man who love his fellow man, and wants them to know before
it happens, even if they looked upon as dogs and unworthy by the angel
who are pure, I still have love for them and they are not dogs to me,
but my brothers who have lost their ways just like me!

Sorry but I must end hear, before it ends up being another book, for I
only have one book to write I am told, and it has seven seals. <G><

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 15, 2:46 pm, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

> If you were one of two witnesses you would not be here yet. You would be
> here for 3.5 years in the tribulation and then be stoned to death and not
> via marijuana.

Hahahahahaha...


> If you were the prophet to be revealed in the Middle of the
> 7 then you would be familiar with a number for would associate with a beast
> and satan.
>
> God is *not* the author of confusion.

Or it could be that you are just lacking in understanding as yet,
Pete. Certainly that is the case with you with me.



Michael Christ



>
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:46:43 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:25:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
>

>If you were one of two witnesses you would not be here yet. You would be
>here for 3.5 years in the tribulation and then be stoned to death and not

>via marijuana. If you were the prophet to be revealed in the Middle of the

>7 then you would be familiar with a number for would associate with a beast
>and satan.
>
>God is *not* the author of confusion.

Knowing that I must die once I finished my mission troubles me. I
don’t want to die.

The Lord has kept it from me because He didn’t want me to suffer
thinking about it.

I just found out this June 2012, and it has made me feel very down,
but I understand that once I am resurrected I will be loved and
accepted by those should have been my friends. I shall forgive them
for having had a hand in causing my death.

"Whom the God wishes to destroy, he first deprives of their senses."
Euripides Greek tragic dramatist (484 BC - 406 BC)

"Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad." Henry Wadsworth
Longfellow

Pete, if madness is confusion of the mind then Euripides and
Longfellow must of had wrong? Is that what you meant?

I know that the half-mad Emperor Tiberius was syphilis-ridden, so you
don’t think that it was an act of God’s retribution?

It’s reported that American also has uniquely high adolescent and
adult syphilis.

All I know is that God’s Word cannot return to Him voided. If God
says that acts of immorality cannot produce happiness, then I
understand why syphilis happens someone people, it’s because God is
not a liar, if he says immorality will not produce happiness, then it
must be that there are things present in this world that will fulfill
the Word of God. Like syphilis.

You see Peter, I have a different understanding of God, perhaps that
is why I am able to bring down angels. And may that is why my prayers
are answered instantly, because I am able to direct my prayers to the
right God.

If I were to believe that God was a purple dinosaur, how effective
would my prayer be? But if I had the correct understanding about God’s
true nature, then my prayers would have greater effect on being
answered instantly.

Whenever God answers someone praying to the wrong God, He is being
merciful. But when God answers my prayers it is because I am able to
direct my pray towards the right God. To know God, is Eternal Life.

Simple put, if God were to lie, He would stop being God. Therefore,
when God says something, his angels are sure to care out everything
God says. For God cannot lie, and remain God.

That is why when Adam and Eve at of the Tree of Knowledge, God had to
place a angel with a sword of fire guarding the way of the Tree of
Life.

Because the Tree of Life would have kept Adam and Eve from dying.

And that would have made God a liar if they had run to the Tree of
Life and partaken of it’s fruit.

(Genesis 3:4) "And the serpent said unto woman [a lie], "ye shall not
surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then you
eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Yes, it was a lie the serpent to Eve, for God said, (Genesis 3:3)"ye
shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die".

You see Peter, there are many things God cannot do, He cannot lie, and
he cannot altar Truth, like go back in time and change what happened
in the past. Now, this does not mean God cannot go back in time, he
can, and that does not mean that he cannot altar Truth, he can but
will not do.

There are many things He cannot do, the list is long, therefore if God
says "Man cannot have happiness in wickedness." Then God’s angels
will make sure man does not have happiness in sin or transgressions.

Do you know the difference between sins and transgressions?

Sin is when you do not know it is wrong and you do anyway like the
atheist.

Transgression is when you know it is wrong, but you do it anyway like
a Christian.
Which of the two have committed the greater error?

Do you know Peter?

You have challenged my wisdom more than once, let’s see your answer,
show me what you have, perhaps I am wrong about you, let see your
wisdom to judge is greater than mine; tell me which of the two, the
Atheist or the Christian has committed the greater offense? <G><

[Barry OGrady]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:46:43 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:25:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
>

>If you were one of two witnesses you would not be here yet. You would be
>here for 3.5 years in the tribulation and then be stoned to death and not
>via marijuana. If you were the prophet to be revealed in the Middle of the
>7 then you would be familiar with a number for would associate with a beast
>and satan.

Colossians 1:16 says God created Satan and gave him his personality.

>God is *not* the author of confusion.

Colossians 1:16 says God *is* the author of confusion.

>--
>Peter

The rock brain.

[Joshua Gemmell]

Dear Brother Rod,

Thank you again for your kindness in my time of need. I want you to
know that treating me like a brother shall not go unrewarded. I am
going testify before God that you were a brother to me when the world
stood against me.

The Lord’s universe is amazing Brother Rod, and when I am resurrected
you shall always have a place in my table and in my house. Once the
Two Witnesses are resurrected the caught up to the throne of God, and
then the are sent back to rule the two world capitals, Zion and
Jerusalem. The Lawgiver hall rule Zion in America, and the Emperor
shall rule Jerusalem.
I am called to be the Lawgiver, the other witness shall be the Ensign
for the gathering of God’s people in the last days, even the Lost
Tribes of Israel.

There is going to be Seven Servants that rule this world under Christ
Jesus, they are the living menorah that shall establish the Kingdom of
Heaven.

Two of them are here today, the other five are busy with the people
in the spirit world, the people that lived during they time on earth,
the other five are Noah, Moses, Elijah, Peter, Joseph. All the
prophets have been waiting for the day when there would Seven born,
the Two Witnesses complete the seven.

The calling of the seven is a life time appointment that continues to
the next world. There are seven thousand years, and one for each seven
thousand years. The reason why there are two in the last days is
because old King David was original chosen to be the center branch of
the menorah, but he fell from his position for having plotted the
murder of Uriah. Therefore, God had to replace King David with
another one who God would sent in the last days. This person who was
called to replace old King David is the other Witness, he has
inherited all the gifts of the old King David. He even sings great,
he’s been a lead singer and has performed at the House of Blues.

I wish you to be at my side when I am given my place among the other
seers, know that there will be fifty seers chosen, it is a life time
position, and the only condition God has given me for picking whom
will be called is that must have been friends before the world knew
who I was. You qualify.

So, the angels now know, that I have elected you, and even when I
don’t know you name, the angels will be able to find you.

The duty of the fifty will require that they be "priests and kings",
and it will be fifty who received the revelations of Christ, and they
will teach the world in how create the perfect world, to prepare if
for the day when the stars will fall from the sky. Yes, Brother Rod,
it is not the stars that fall, but the earth, for it will be drawn
closer to the throne of God, not only this earth, but 100 million
earths, and they will be clustered near each other so they can travel
between the worlds. Yes, great are the works of God, and great is the
work that the fifty shall be called to do.

I must stop here, because the rest will be told to you in your heart.
<G><

Your friend always,

---JOSHUA Israel Gemmell <G><

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:10:39 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:


correction:
>
That is why when Adam and Eve [ate] of the Tree of Knowledge, God had

to place a angel with a sword of fire guarding the way of the Tree of
Life.
>
>Because the Tree of Life would have kept Adam and Eve from dying.
>
>And that would have made God a liar if they had run to the Tree of
>Life and partaken of it�s fruit.
>
>(Genesis 3:4) "And the serpent said unto woman [a lie], "ye shall not
>surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then you
>eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
>

Yes, it was a lie the serpent [told] Eve, for God said, (Genesis

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:10:39 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:


correction:
>
That is why when Adam and Eve [ate] of the Tree of Knowledge, God had

to place a angel with a sword of fire guarding the way of the Tree of
Life.
>
>Because the Tree of Life would have kept Adam and Eve from dying.
>
>And that would have made God a liar if they had run to the Tree of
>Life and partaken of it�s fruit.
>
>(Genesis 3:4) "And the serpent said unto woman [a lie], "ye shall not
>surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then you
>eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
>

Yes, it was a lie the serpent [told] Eve, for God said, (Genesis

[Barry OGrady]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 03:00:04 -0600, Joshua Gemmell

<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:10:39 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
><sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>correction:
>>
>That is why when Adam and Eve [ate] of the Tree of Knowledge, God had
>to place a angel with a sword of fire guarding the way of the Tree of
>Life.

Adam and Eve were deceived by God. They had no way of knowing
God would change from a caring parent to a raving psychopath.

>>Because the Tree of Life would have kept Adam and Eve from dying.
>>
>>And that would have made God a liar if they had run to the Tree of
>>Life and partaken of it�s fruit.

God did lie.

>>(Genesis 3:4) "And the serpent said unto woman [a lie], "ye shall not
>>surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then you
>>eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

That was not a lie. God lied when he said they would die the day
they ate.

>Yes, it was a lie the serpent [told] Eve, for God said, (Genesis
>3:3)"ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die".

God lied not the serpent.

[Linda Lee]

On Nov 15, 1:31 am, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:16 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
>

> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> HERE IS THE TEST Chapter Isaiah Chapter 53

> >> Isaiah speaks about the Messiah—His humiliation and suffering are

> >> described—He makes his soul an offering for sin and makes intercession

> >> for the transgressor.
>
> >> Question: Who did Prophet Isaiah write about, A) Jesus Christ; B)
> >> Joshua Gemmell; C) Jesus Christ & Joshua Gemmell
>
> >> Give me your pick, and then I will explain to you why you are wrong
> >> and I am right; sound fair?
>

> >First things first; tell me the Scripture you think refers to you as
> >being rejected for being mentally ill, as you've claimed before to be
> >one of the Two Witnesses, so I would think it must refer to them.
> >Right?
>
> (Isaiah 53:3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows,
> and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him;
> he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
>

> (Isaiah 53:4) ¶Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our

> sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and
> afflicted.
>
> Do you see my point? I am that "man of sorrows" for I am acquainted
> with grief whenever I give my report of having seen the "arm of the
> Lord Jesus Christ revealed in my affairs, unlike anyone before me.

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the
LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a
root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we
shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and

acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he
was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows:

yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised
for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and
with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.


That says nothing specific about being rejected because anyone thought
this person was suffering from mental illness. Jesus Christ however,
was accused of being mad and possessed by an evil spirit (John 10:20),
and of being a blasphemer who claimed he was God (John 10:33 & John
5:18), of breaking the Sabbath laws (John 5:14-16), and other things.

Isaiah Chapter 53 refers to Christ. The "arm of the LORD" (in Isa.
53:1) was God manifested in the flesh as Jesus the Christ (Yahashua`
the Messiah).

I Tim. 3:16, "And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
received up into glory."

In the following, in Isa. 59:16, the prophet Isaiah again speaks of
THE ARM OF THE LORD, which "arm" brought salvation to the LORD, and
who was sustained by the righteousness of the LORD.

Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh
himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there
was no judgment.
Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there
was NO INTERCESSOR: therefore HIS ARM brought SALVATION unto him; and
his RIGHTEOUSNESS, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet
of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance
for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
Isa 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury
to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will
repay recompence.
Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and
his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in
like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against
him.
Isa 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion [JERUSALEM], and unto
them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.


Zion - Heb. 6726
tsı̂yôn
BDB Definition:
Zion = “parched place”
1) another name for Jerusalem especially in the prophetic books.

>
> Yes, I have borne everyone's griefs, and carried everyone's sorrows

Everyone has griefs, everyone has sorrows. And many, or at least
some, experience miracles. That does not mean they are extremely
special or that they are specifically prophesied in the Scriptures; it
just means God's word is true, and that God/Christ answers prayers and
will manifest himself in some manner to those who love him and follow
him (John 14:21-23).

Christ said:
John 14:21, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is
that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and
I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
...
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he
will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto
him, and make our abode with him."

> that there is no peace on earth because Satan control of the kingdoms
> of this world, however every when they hear my report about

Their "report" in Isa. 53:1 was of God manifesting in the flesh, and
in that way "the arm of the LORD" (God in the flesh) acted as an
intercessor and Saviour (Isa. 59:16).

> having
> been bruised in the heel by Satan when I was five years old, quickly

> starts to hid their faces from me, and think I am sick in the head.

I read your account below here, and you said you were bruised in the
heel, and the angel prevented you from being bruised in the heel. You
say, "I was asking God in prayer why his angel did help to stop my

heel from being bruise to the very bone."



>

> And yes I am the tender plant that as plant which Prophet Isaiah
> reveals in Isaiah 11:1-4 "And there shall come forth a *ROD* out of
> the stem of Jesse,

What does "*ROD*" mean to you?

> and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the
> spirit of the LORD [Jesus Christ] shall rest upon him, the spirit of
> wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit
> of knowledge, and of the fear of he LORD; and shall make him of quick
> understanding in the fear of the LORD [Jesus Christ]: and he shall not
> judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing
> of his ears: but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and
> reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the
> earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall
> he slay the wicked."
>
> Do you see what I am saying? I am the tender rod that budded from the
> Stem of Jesse (family tree of Christ), and the Branch that grew of the
> roots of my father was his firstborn child who brought forth a Branch
> (the one of the Two Witnesses).

The Branch is a term for the Messiah (Jer. 23:5, Isa. 11:1). The Two
Witnesses are believed to be the return of Moses (who prohesied of
Christ – Gen. 3:15, Deut. 18:15) and Elijah (who as John the Baptist
announced the arrival of the LORD as Christ). And they will again
testify of the prophesies of the coming and the arrival of the LORD in
the endtimes.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in
sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks
standing before the God of the earth.

NONE of these Scriptures, nor the ones you've cited below, refer to
you. Whether you are truly mentally ill, or just a game-player, or
both, is anybody's guess, but your focus on you own self, rather than
on God, reveals you are not 'on a mission from God' as many people
believe they are; it happens a lot.

[Linda Lee]

On Nov 15, 1:31 am, Joshua Gemmell <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:16 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
>
> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> HERE IS THE TEST Chapter Isaiah Chapter 53

> >> Isaiah speaks about the Messiah—His humiliation and suffering are

> >> described—He makes his soul an offering for sin and makes intercession

> >> for the transgressor.
>
> >> Question: Who did Prophet Isaiah write about, A) Jesus Christ; B)
> >> Joshua Gemmell; C) Jesus Christ & Joshua Gemmell
>
> >> Give me your pick, and then I will explain to you why you are wrong
> >> and I am right; sound fair?
>

NONE of these Scriptures refer to you. Whether you are truly mentally
ill, or just a gameplayer, or both, is anybody's guess, but your focus

["must.-"]

"You *must* worship the Father in spirit and in truth.

Another way of praying to the Father, there is plenty of scripture on it."

Noting again that reference to "spirit" does not mean those doctrines and
rituals of doing this and that in "the spirit" of these past 100 years
only.

To do so is to pour those doctrines and rituals back into the same word but
without the same meaning and context.

Jw and mormon do this all the time.

I prefer the whole of scripture.

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 16, 4:42 am, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:03:10 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 2:46 pm, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:25:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
> >>> <sunwalker1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> A Note Of Explanation: why I make so many mistakes--
>
> >>> It is in my nature to stutter both in word and print. I don't know why
> >>> I have this weakness, but I think it is to keep me humble. I was
> >>> forty years old when I began to receive eternal knowledge from the
> >>> Lord Our Righteousness.<G><
>
> >> If you were one of two witnesses you would not be here yet. You would be
> >> here for 3.5 years in the tribulation and then be stoned to death and not
> >> via marijuana.
>
> > Hahahahahaha...
>
> >> If you were the prophet to be revealed in the Middle of the
> >> 7 then you would be familiar with a number for would associate with a beast
> >> and satan.
>
> >> God is *not* the author of confusion.
>
> > Or it could be that you are just lacking in understanding as yet,
> > Pete.  Certainly that is the case with you with me.
>

> I will yet address the truth.

>
> You *must* worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
>
> Another way of praying to the Father, there is plenty of scripture on it.
>

> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

You worship the Father in spirit and truth by worshipping the One whom
He sent, the One that revealed Him.

Therefore, how you treat the God the Son is how you treat the God the
Father. God made a way to worship Him through a relationship
(marriage) with His Son.

Here is a bible verse, though now I know it in my heart, and have no
need for a bible anymore...

Mat_11:27 (KJV) All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and
no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the
Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

...if you NEED a bible you are not walking in the Spirit of Truth with
Him. Adam the son of God before his sin did not need a book to walk
with God, and the redeemed sons of God do not need a book to walk with
God. No one who is seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus needs a
bible for they are with Him in Spirit and Truth and walk with Him in
Spirit and in Truth.

If the Son shall set you free, you are free indeed. :-).



Michael Christ

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:58:05 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>So you are going to write a scroll written on two sides with seven seals
>that is already 6000 years old and is the title dead to this earth? The one
>that Adam gave away? And Jesus when being tempted in the desert by Satan
>who offered Him all this land and Nations of people if Jesus would but bow
>down to him? Aren't you a little late already?

>
>
>--
>Peter
>A living Stone
>A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
>Joh 13:34-35 KJV

Let me clarify again what it is that I am saying, because while I
wanted to reveal more, I will now have to constrain myself *ONLY* to
your specific concerns over what it is that you think I have just
revealed about myself. I am not going to reveal more about myself at
this time, because you are having trouble understanding that which I
have already revealed.

You are a wise one, for you were able to understand in part what I
meant by a book with seven seals. Yes, I was testing you to see if you
picked that one up. Yes, my posts you will come to learn, removing
all the grammar errors are all based upon one have scriptural
knowledge, for I careful reveal one things about myself which I can
prove using the scriptures, and I have taken great measures to insure
that everything I say fits in with other parts of the scriptures. By
showing you how my formulations of opinions fits in better than your I
hope to fulfill yet another scripture in the bible:

"To the weak [Peter] became I as weak [in writing], that I might gain
the weak [Peter]: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all
means save some." [1 Cor. 9:22]

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the
wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the
things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things
which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his
presence." [1 Cor. 1:27-29]

Yes, I am that weak thing which God has chosen to confound the wise
Peter, so he can humble himself before the presence of the Lord God.

Now let's examine all the things which the wise Peter said in his wise
evaluation of me. I will use everything you have said about me as the
ground works for my own assessment of your words, and I hope to
confound the wise Peter and make him humble before God.

You said the following:

Peter: So you are going to write a scroll written on two sides with
seven seals that is already 6000 years old and is the title dead to
this earth?

Clarification: I said no such thing, see my first post on this tread
dated 11/12/2012 7:39 PM –
In that post I stated the following:

"I can open that [book] for I am the person who wrote that book with
seven seals. The book is called "The Visions of Joshua son of
Josedech (Jesus)." It only has seven chapters. And [after] I am
caught up to the throne of God, men on earth will want to unlock the
seals of my book. But there was no man in the sky above the earth, on
the earth, nor below the earth who could unlock the seals of my book."

However, John did not say it was a (scroll as you say) but a book. If
it had been a (scroll) then you are definite right your wise
assessment, but here are the exact words John used... which clearly
shows that he never said *scroll* but he said *book* - yes, it
verbatim...

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a BOOK
written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." [Rev.
5:1]

What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed
on the back with seven seals?

We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries,
and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this
earth during the seven thousand years of it continuance, or its
temporal existence.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of
the tribe of [Judah], the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the
book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

NOW allow me to clarify myself even more what it is that I am saying;
okay? John never said it was a *scroll* but a *book*, and he never
said that I wrote the book, but that the book was a revelation from
God concerning the temporal existence of this earth, revealing the
works of God during the seven thousand years of its continuance.
Therefore, in order for it to fit into my interpretation, it must be
that God has revealed the contains of the book to my heart, because I
am "the Lion of the tribe of Judah" as my family crest reveals which
has King David's Lion Arms crossed in the shape of the Knights Templar
cross, the "X" shape. Also did you know that in ancient times only
royalty were allowed to use the lion on their banners, shields, and
charges. And my family has had the lion on it banners since the time
of Moses, lion on its flags when we ruled Scotland, on our shields
since the time we ruled Carrick, and on our family crest since the
time we owned Mount Heredom the Holy House of Freemasonry. Therefore,
it is not wishful thinking on my part, but it is factual and recorded
history on my part. Therefore, I have the advantage here and you
don't. For where is your proof that you are "the Lion of the tribe of
Judah"? I would be glad to sent you a picture by email, or direct you
to where on the internet you can see my family crest in for free (pdf
file) if you like.

The "Root of David", was said by John to have been the only one to
open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." Clearly you
are not the "Root of David" for you cannot show me you lineage back to
King David, but I can, and I can direct you to a family tree on the
internet showing you that I am related to King David.

Now it is common sense that when John said "Root of David" it means
just that. In other words, someone who is a descendant of the line of
Jesse (Stem of Jesse), the father of King David, but not the
"offspring of David". The "root of David" and "offspring of David"
would be Jesus Christ, while a branch from the root of King David
family tree may not actually be the offspring of David as revealed by
Prophet Isaiah (Isa. 11:1) "and a Branch shall grow of his roots".
The last branch of King David family tree to be given the Throne of
King David according to the scriptures was Jesus Christ. While no
legal or divine successor of Christ Jesus of Gamal, Galilee has step
forward revealing their connection to the holy grail family of Jesus
Christ and identifying themselves to be the "rod" spoke of by the
Prophet Isaiah that budded off the stem of Jesse, expect me, makes my
claim a valid one, and one that ought to have been investigated
further. Know that not even Jesus own uncle Prince Judas of Gamal,
Galilee has been given the notoriety by Prophet Isaiah for being the
"rod" of family tree of Jesse whom the Spirit of God's wisdom,
understanding, counsel and might, knowledge to make him of quick
understanding in the fear of the Lord, whom would fulfill Isaiah's
prophecy that he would "with the breath of his lips slay the wicked"
and that the keys of the Kingdom of God shall come to rest upon his
shoulders. Therefore such individual has never yet appeared, but when
the Two Witnesses come forth, what I am saying is that they are the
ones whom Prophet Isaiah was taking about. The "rod" will be the one
who is called to have the Kingdom of God rest upon his shoulders, and
the "Branch" that grew from the roots of the stem of Jesse shall be
the next king in Jerusalem to sit upon the Throne of David. In other
words, what I am saying is that the "rod" and "branch" spoke of by
Prophet Isaiah are ‘uncle and nephew' and the "stem of Jesse" is the
father of the "rod" for he is the last inline of the stem of Jesse,
and out of his firstborn shall child shall come forth the BRANCH that
shall be king in Jerusalem. And what I am saying is that I have gone
beyond the current understanding of Two Witnesses which is based
*ONLY* upon an understanding of Revelation Chapter 11. I have used
not only Revelation Chapter 11 to guide me, but I have taken the time
to identify all scriptural passages in the bible which are many that
speak about the Two Witnesses. If you like I can list them all.

Peter: The one that Adam gave away?

Adam would have to be God, to have been the author of that book with
seven seals. Are you saying that you believe that Adam was God in the
flesh? That is very a deep doctrine to say that Peter, are you being
guided by Satan? For only Satan could have been so wise to say such a
thing. What I know is that Joshua was given the task to make the
"mystery of Godliness" revealed in the last days by the seventh angel
whether there be one God or many gods.

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there
came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying, It is done." [Rev. 16:17]

I am that angel; I am the seventh light of the menorah, and I shall be
slain in the streets of Jerusalem as one of the Two Witnesses, and
once I am caught to the throne of God on the third day, I shall then
be a resurrected angel before God who is given the vial to be poured
out into to the air, and you envy me for knowing these things in my
heart? Yes, you do envy my wisdom, but try to say goodbye my lost
brother for it time for us to part ways, for I am this seventh angel,
the seven servant in the hands of the Lord Our Righteousness, whom it
is written that God Himself rebuke Satan for trying to resist Joshua:
(Zech. 3:1-2) "And he shewed me Joshua [Gemmell] the high priest [of
New Jerusalem] standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan
standing at his right hand to resist him. And the Lord said unto
Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen
Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand [Joshua Gemmell] plucked
out of the [nuclear] fire [that shall burn as an oven]?


Yes, I know more that what I have revealed, and Revelation 10:7 is the
very reason why Satan stand to resist me, for it is I whom is given
the task of making known the "mystery of Godliness" to the world...


"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel [Joshua Gemmell],
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." [Rev. 10:7]

Yes, there has only been "Seven Spirits of God" John reveals and they
are the living menorah, the seven candlesticks before the throne of
God, and all the prophets have been waiting for the day I would be
born, because I am the seventh light of the holy menorah, and it is my
task to make known to the world if there is one God or many Gods. That
is the mystery of God that Satan doesn't want revealed to the world,
because it defeats Satan's objective, for Satan never once wanted man
to know the truth about the mystery of God whether there be one or
many.

And just how do you think I the seventh servant in the hands of God
will perform this task?

I will tell you, I shall anoint 144,000 High Priests who have never
been to bed with women, 144,000 young men, to the status of gods! And
then I shall send them forth to preach the last sermon to the world.
And they shall go forth to all the great cities of the world, and show
the world that they have been anointed gods, and that they are
revealing unto men that the mystery of God is that he is our father
and we can be made like him. For God is a God of gods!

But all of this cannot happen, until the BRANCH (my nephew) calls
forth the Lost Tribes of Israel out of the great deep, and they come
forth from Lynn Canal, and down the Rocky Mountains to the United
States, and there I shall anoint 12,000 from each tribe, and these
144,000 will given a crown with the name "GOD" engraved on the crown,
and they shall be the army of the Two Witnesses in the battle of
Armageddon.

What you fail to understand is that the battle of Armageddon is mostly
a spiritual warfare of the mind, pretty much like the one we are
having here, it's a war of words. It only gets physical at the end,
when the nations have gathered themselves at a physical location known
as Megiddo.

Now, everything I have said about the 144,000 is based upon
scriptures, here read it for yourself... it reveals that thy are
virgins, they are young men, who shall be called...

3 And they sung as it were a new a song before the throne, and before
the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but
the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the
earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with woman; for they are
virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and
to the Lamb. [Rev. 14:3-4]

And here read it for yourself, they were given each one a crown with
the name "GOD" engraved on their crowns for they are called to show
forth to the world that Jesus has the power to make them "gods"...

(Rev. 14:1) "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, an
with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name
[GOD] written in their foreheads (meaning that they all have crowns
with the name GOD engraved on crowns).

What is the problem here? You think it means that God will approve of
using tattoos on their foreheads? For a tattoo would defile any
temple of God, but not a crown engrave with the name GOD.

What I am given to understand is beyond what is commonly understood of
the 140,000 are who are sealed are young high priests who never had
sexual intercourse with woman, and yes it is very unusual for young
men to be ordained High Priest, this is usual reserved for older men,
but John said that they "were not defiled with women; for they are
virgins" [Rev. 14:4]. Therefore they can't be older men who would
have been married or had sex with woman. Now, these 144,000 young
High Priests will administer the everlasting gospel, for they are
ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the Two
Witnesses which are given power over the nations of the earth, to
bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn. Now the
Church of the Firstborn are thy who shall be raptured during the
Second Coming on the last week of April 2023.

When the one hundred and forty-four thousand young High Priests go
forth among the nations, and start to gather out as many as will come
to the Church of the Firstborn that the Two Witnesses shall cause to
be established, all of this will be done during the morning of the
seventh thousand years. This work is part of the mission of the Two
Witnesses, to send forth the 144,000 High Priests to preach the ‘Last
Sermon to the World' before climax of the Battle of Armageddon at
Megiddo.

The 144,000 High Priest were given each a white flying horse, which is
the emblem given to new "gods", and they shall mount up and ride with
their Leader, the BRANCH, who is the future King David of Jerusalem.
And they shall defeat the 200 million army of Gog at Megido.

These 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion, shall be supported during the
battle against Gog's 200 million by a innumerable host of angelic
beings of heaven which no human can number.

After they defeat the nations that have gathered with Gog, these
144,000 newly anointed gods shall mount up on their white flying
horses and board the celestial chariots of God orbiting the earth, and
go with Jesus Christ to preach to the other 100 million earths the
everlasting gospel. The 144, 000 shall go where ever Jesus Christ
goes, and the bible reveals that Jesus is a God of gods (144,000).


(Deuteronomy 10:17) "For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of
lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not
persons, nor taketh reward:..."

The God you know, is not the God of the Bible, for the God of the
bible anoints other gods!

And that is how the world will come to know the Mystery of Godliness,
when they see with their own eyes, 144,000 newly anointed gods!

And that is the mission of the seventh angel, me, to arrange who shall
be 144,000 called out of the tribes of Israel. Then they shall have a
visitation by Jesus Christ flaming chariot and he will furnish them
with flying white horses.

Now, the power of locomotion for an angel to fly is center around the
back of the neck, but seeing that horses have far stronger necks, that
would lead to the logic that white flying horses are faster than
demons or angels. Now, how are mere mortal (144,000) withstand the
G-forces that a immortal flying horse and move in the air? Do you
have any understanding here? The speed of an angel is faster than any
rocket or missile in the world, now the speed of a immortal flying
horse is faster than an angel. Wow, so simple but never crossed your
mind. If there is going to be 144,000 young men on flying white
horses, then there must have been a sort of physical change to their
bodies– this change is "godhood", and they will be able to withstand
the G-forces, and think like gods, for they are going to need the this
to be able to control the direction the horse is flying.


Peter: And Jesus when being tempted in the desert by Satan who offered
Him all this land and Nations of people if Jesus would but bow down to
him? Aren't you a little late already?

Know I am not late, but you are not up to date with all of my posting;
are you?

I have already posted before, that when I was a young boy of twelve, I
had just been given the priesthood. It was then that I fasted and
prayed each day for God to open my mind to visions, and each night
before going to bed I would ask God to show me something new. And on
the first night I had the vision that the Prophet Joel said that young
man would see in the last days....

(Joel 2:28) "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out
my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see
VISIONS:.."

Yes, I saw the vision that Joel said was to be shown: (Joel 2:30) "And
I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire,
and [nuclear] pillars of smoke."

And on the second night I saw a portal open up on my bedroom wall, my
spirit began to leave my body, yes, I saw the gate of heaven open
before me; have you seen the visions or portals I have seen?

And on one the third day at the age of twelve I became frighten by
Satan who had taken note of my opening up the doorway to heaven the
night before. And Satan on the third night came to me, and I can still
remember the breath of Satan whispering in my right ear: "I will show
you things you can never know, things which God will never show you in
this life time, I even promise to take you across the veil and show
you things you could never know about this world, just worship me."

Yes, I know I was offered greater wisdom that Solomon if I only
worshiped Satan. So I became frighten because it never occurred to me
at the tender age of twelve that the nearer one gets to God, the more
noticeable you become to Satan. Satan doesn't want anyone approaching
God, an especially a young boy of twelve with the priesthood, who is
the "rod" of the stem of Jesse that budded, and is opening up the
doorway to heaven, and having visions. Yes, the closer you get to
God, you shall learn that Satan will come to pay you a visit and try
to offer the very same thing that God has in store for you. In the
case of Jesus, he was fasting and praying 40 days when Satan came to
pay him a visit and try to offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world
FIRST! But Jesus was not fooled, he knew that if the kingdoms of this
world were being offered by Satan, it must be because God had plans to
give Jesus the kingdoms of this world, and the kingdoms of a 100
million earths. Only a fool would not want to wait upon God for
knowledge or wisdom, or kingdom. I am not a fool, at twelve I fasted
and prayed, and opened the gates of heaven, and when Satan came
offering me greater knowledge than a mortal could have, I was not
fooled for the Spirit of the Lord was upon me and I knew that Satan
was only offering me something he knew God had already planned to
give. Great Knowledge is my spiritual gift from God, and I don't need
Satan to give me a water-down version of God's eternal gift.

With Christ it was the offer of a water-down kingdoms of this world
only, for God has already planned to give Jesus 100 million earths.
For me it was great knowledge, even the secrets of men by crossing
over the veil an seeing things I could never know. Yes, that was a
water-down version of what God has in store for me, for God shall the
words of the seal book in my heart that no man on earth, or under the
earth among the Lost Tribes of Israel, or about in the sky in the City
of Enoch was able to loosen the seals, but I was, for God has written
the book within my heart, for I am the holder of the key of David.
<G><

Know that only this earth has a Satan, and while he does in fact have
the "keys" over this earth, for he was first to discover this earth,
and he was given the "keys" over this earth which grant him power to
command the elements of this earth. Well, Lucifer took those earth
keys with him when he was cast out of heaven, now these "keys" that
allow Satan to remove the peace of this earth, and to case a dark veil
over the minds of men, likes you, is about to change, for it is part
of mission to have the "keys of this earth removed from Satan" for
they now belong to Jesus Christ.

And once Satan is cast in prison, and the keys of this earth removed
from him, then this world shall know peace.

Yes, I am the beginning of the solution to world peace for I am the
servant in the hands of Christ, and he alone is the Prince of Peace,
and nobody on earth can establish everlasting peace, only Christ, and
I am the instrument of his hands to bring it about, for I am partly a
descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph,
on whom there is laid much power.

And my nephew is a descendant of Jesse, as well as Joseph, unto whom
rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for the
an Ensign, and for the gathering of God's people in the last days.

And we both are the Two Witnesses of God. For the Kingdom of Heaven
must be established by the powers of heaven, for the redemption of
Israel need be by powers greater than Moses. And when Moses parted
the sea, I shall cause the Pacific Ocean to return to the northern
parts and disappear into Lynn Canal, but only after I have cause the
Lost Tribes of Israel to come forth from the doorway I shall cause to
open up at Lynn Canal, and after the Lost Tribes of Israel come forth,
I shall cause the Pacific Ocean to be swallowed up.

So, your about see the works of the Two Witnesses, for they come to
make such prediction; right?

"And I will give power unto my Two Witnesses, and they shall prophesy

a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

[Rev. 11:1]

Can't you see, I can't help it, it's in my nature to be what God wants
me to be me, and there is no doubt in anyone's mind that I like to
give prophecy, it in my nature, and when my mission starts in 2019
then you too will have no doubts when you see my words fulfilled
instantly.

You will then have to make a choice, if you believe the Two Witnesses
or you don't; but with all the great miracles we are about to do, I
think you would be blind not to see the Truth.

Seeing is believing, and many prophet wish to see our day because the
knew it would the change everyone had be waiting for, and the Temple
of Jerusalem shall finally be built, and Jerusalem shall become an
World Capital for all nations and kingdoms to gather yearly to pay
tribute to the Throne of Christ, or they shall not have rain for that
year. Yes, real change is coming, and I was first to make it known.
<G><

[Michael Christ]

Joshua wrote:
(snip)

It would be nice if you would just answer my simple question instead
of trying to write in your own words what the bible means, Joshua.








Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 11/15/2012 4:19 PM, Pete wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:20:55 +1100, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:46:43 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:25:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:52:08 -0600, Joshua Gemmell
>>>> <sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> A Note Of Explanation: why I make so many mistakes--
>>>>
>>>> It is in my nature to stutter both in word and print. I don't know why
>>>> I have this weakness, but I think it is to keep me humble. I was
>>>> forty years old when I began to receive eternal knowledge from the
>>>> Lord Our Righteousness.<G><
>>>
>>> If you were one of two witnesses you would not be here yet. You would be
>>> here for 3.5 years in the tribulation and then be stoned to death and not
>>> via marijuana. If you were the prophet to be revealed in the Middle of the
>>> 7 then you would be familiar with a number for would associate with a beast
>>> and satan.
>>
>> Colossians 1:16 says God created Satan and gave him his personality.
>>
>

> Incorrect, improper conclusion as all things were created for Him, God the
> Father. Satan was not created and then given that personality. I explained
> that to you before, several times in fact.
>
> Satan was created as Lucifer, the most brilliant and powerful angel in the
> heavens in whom was every musical instrument. He destroyed himself by
> pride. Self destructed and took many angels with him. He Fell. Now he is a
> defeated foe. He has but two more hurrahs. Both result in defeat. the last
> one in total confinement for eternity with those of his own.

>
>>> God is *not* the author of confusion.
>>
>> Colossians 1:16 says God *is* the author of confusion.
>>

> 1 Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all
> churches of the saints.
>
> Satan is the author of confusion
>

He is ignorant, no other words can describe it.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:09:22 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:

>NONE of these Scriptures, nor the ones you've cited below, refer to
>you. Whether you are truly mentally ill, or just a game-player, or
>both, is anybody's guess, but your focus on you own self, rather than
>on God, reveals you are not 'on a mission from God' as many people
>believe they are; it happens a lot.

Dear Sister Linda, you have lost the bigger picture of why I have come
at in the last days; I have come to glorify the name of God.

It is very unfair of you to falsely accuse me of doing otherwise.

Know that it was not man who was tricked by Satan, but woman.

And do you know why?

Because man already had the priesthood, and could not be fooled.

Eve knew that in order to be like Adam she would need to have the
priesthood, and become a priestess in her own right as a daughter of
God, and Satan did tempt Eve that if she were to have the priesthood
she could be like God, but the serpent fooled Eve by saying she would
not surely die if she disobeyed God and eat of the Tree of Knowledge.

These things are not clearly made known in the scriptures, but the
wise men of the kingdom understand it. That is why Adam to Noah all
had the priesthood, and Noah passed on to his son Shem, and the
priesthood was had by all men of God, Shem gave the priesthood to
Abraham, and that same priesthood was in the priesthood that Jethro
Priest of Median had and gave it to Moses. Now on the Mount of
Transfiguration, Moses appeared to Jesus Christ and gave to Jesus
Christ. So it is dangerous for you to mock the priesthood of God,
because every prophet of God had the priesthood. Jesus gave that
priesthood to the twelve apostles. And for you to complete be
ignorant of the priesthood does not help your position, for I do have
the priesthood of God, and it works powerful in me.

Now, you may think that my priesthood means nothing, Billy Graham
doesn't have the priesthood nor does he think he needs it, but I think
he is wrong, for if Jesus had it, then all men need to have the
priesthood, unless they think themselves greater than Jesus Christ and
you may side with them, but think that Jesus priesthood means nothing,
actually makes you the one who are "focus on you own self, rather than
on God, [and it] reveals you are not 'on a mission from God' as many

people believe they are; it happens a lot."

Now, you see I have just turn the table around with inspiration from
God's priesthood power, but to show you I am not wrong, I will now
proceed to use my priesthood, and show you how wrong you are about
Isaiah 53 being Jesus Christ; okay? Bear with me, am about to show
your mistake by the power of God's priesthood...

1) Do you really think that Jesus Christ as ugly?

Isaiah 53 say that the "man of sorrows" has "no beauty that we should
desire him" yet there was a doctor who wrote down a description of the
man called Jesus Christ, he said that he was very dignified looking
man, with blond hair that curled at the shoulder, a wine color beard,
and had beautiful blue eyes that women would instantly fell in love
with him for he was beautiful to behold. Yes, Jesus mother the Virgin
Mary was Celtic from Avalon, and she was beautiful and fair above all
other virgins. Jesus of Gamal, Galilee grandparents were Joachim and
St Anne of Avalon, the Virgin Mary was born in Avalon, not the Middle
East. Virgin Mary after her parents' deaths, was taken by Joseph of
Arimathea who had tin mines in Avalon to the Jerusalem Temple and
eventually, after the crucifixion, he returned her to the land of her
birth along with Joseph the son of Jesus the Christ! Yes, the royal
family of Christ his cousin and uncles were all in exile at Gamal
(Gamal and Gemmell mean the same thing, it means 'camel', and now you
know why they were the ones who found the city of Camelot) Gamal in
the highlands of Galilee is where Joseph and Mary both cousins met
each other for the first time, yes they were taken to at the house of
their uncle Prince Judas of Gamal, Galilee.

Therefore, what you are saying about Jesus being portrayed as an ugly
Middle Eastern looking man, is very wrong, for Jesus was Celtic and
his roots went back to Ireland, where King Eochaid the Heremon the
"pure blood" from Zerah the Seed, "The Scarlet Thread", the firstborn
of the twins sons of Judah and Tamer. lived. And he married Tephi Tea
[Tamar] the daughter of King Zedekiah (the last King of Jerusalem) who
was taken to Ireland by the Prophet Jeremiah. Yes, Jeremiah took to
daughters of the King Zedekiah, one ended up being married into the
royal family in France, and the other the royal family of Judah's
firstborn twin son Zerah in Ireland. Yes, Judah and Tamer had twin
sons, Zerah and Perez, and King David was a descendant of Perez, but
the Kingdom of Judah rightfully belong to the "The Scarlet Thread" who
was Zerah, who stuck out his hand first from the womb and a red thread
was tied around his hand. Therefore for Jesus to be the rightful King
of Judah, the Prophet Jeremiah had to be sure to mix both lineages
together Zerah and Perez before Jesus was born.

So, why do yo work so hard to prove the Jews right when they say that
the man called Jesus could not been the Messiah if he did come from
the "The Scarlet Thread" of Zerah, the rightful successor of the
Kingdom of Judah?

You see, your ignorance only speaks evil of Jesus, for not only do you
think him to have been a ugly Middle Eastern man with dark skin; black
eyes, and ordinary sort of man, you even take away his honor by saying
he was not born of The Scarlet Thread lineage!!!

So, it is not I who has come to bring honor to myself, but to my Lord
Jesus Christ who was beautiful, and count not have been the "man of
sorrows" whom Prophet Isaiah speaks about in Isaiah Chapter 53.

Now, take each line in the chapter and do the same, so the burden of
proof is lack on your side, my lost sister.

He is one line which you failed to see: (Isaiah 53:"He was despised
and rejected of men; a man of sorrows" how false of you to think that
Jesus was rejected, we have historical accounts of Jesus being loved
everywhere he went, in Egypt they loved him, in Avalon they loved him,
even Caesar called Jesus and Thomas, "My Little Twins", with love and
affection, because the love them, and the look alike.

No, your talking about the wrong man in Isaiah Chapter 53, because the
real Jesus was very much loved by the people, and he was the perfect
sacrifice, and according to the Law of God the perfect sacrifice could
be blemished.

Now, have shown you two thing which are not right in your thinking, 1)
Jesus was not ugly like the "man of sorrows". 2) Jesus was loved by
the people, and by women, and even by the man who could not use him to
cause a revolt against Rome's authority.

Now, I will show another one, and stop, because I show how each line
is wrong, but I don't think you can understand it, for you seem to be
answering me with your emotions rather than with your mind.

In Isaiah 53:8 it says "And was taken from prison and form judgment:
and who shall declare his generation?"

If that is Jesus being described, than your wrong! Because Jesus never
escaped from prison and from judgment, but actually did the very
opposite, remained in prison and was executed on the cross as judgment
passed down from those who had authority to do so!

So, you are without understanding of Isaiah 53:8, but it
understandable to me because you honor your own opinions and
traditions more than you honor Jesus Christ, whom you think you honor
with ignorance.

There is a saying it goes like this: "A stupid friend is worse than a
enemy." Now is meant for us to be stupid towards honoring Christ?

Wise-Up and try to see how I honor Christ against the Jewish claiming
he had no right to lead Judah.

Anyway, if you were a Jew you would know that they believe in two
Messiahs, one is called Messiah ben Joseph, and the other one Messiah
ben David. That is why if you are not Jewish, you cannot think like
one, but Isaiah was speaking to Jews, and he knew a Jew could
understand him that it was about one of the two foretold Messiahs in
Jewish understand, which reveals that their were going to be two
Messiahs, one a great spiritual Messiah *JESUS*, and the other a
lessor Messiah sent free the world of Satan, but that one would be an
ugly one, but not Jesus Christ. Jesus was the Messiah ben David
(Christ son of David), but the ugly Messiah was the Messiah ben Joseph
(Christ son of Joseph) -- so even in that respect you prove your
unlearned. <G><

I don't think I will show all the other errors, for I have given you
three for you to think about, and the scriptures reveal that the
testimony of two or three is valid to prove one's right.

I have given you three examples. Now before I give you more, show me
why you think you are right about Jesus being the 'man of sorrows',
and how can the 'man of sorrows' be "taken from prison and from
judgment" if Jesus never escaped prison or judgment! <G><

[Joshua Gemmell]

Okay Michael, can you please repeat the question?

My newsreader doesn't show one, it shows that this thread starts with
Linda, then Joshua, then Pete, then Joshua, and my newsreader must
have by mistake removed it my mistake. :(

[Rod]

This isn't the first time I've seen Him described this way. 511
witnesses saw and spoke with Him, but another time. Sorry to but
in...Bye.

[Joshua Gemmell]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:48:55 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the
>transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away
>our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:
>whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children,
>let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as
>he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
>sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
>that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth
>not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because
>he is born of God. (1Jn 3:4-9 KJV)

>
>
>
>--
>Peter
>A living Stone
>A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
>Joh 13:34-35 KJV

Thank you for proving my right...

All men are sinners and have come short of the glory of God.

Therefore all men who have not been born again are sinners!

Then whosoever is born again, is a new creature, no longer under the
bondage of sin.

Therefore, whosoever is born again, and then goes against the light,
in no longer a sinner, but a transgressor of the new covenant of
Christ. To such men there is no forgiveness in this world or the world
to come for having gone against the light of the Holy Ghost.

Now, do you see where I am headed?

Only Saints who have been born again are able to become transgressors,
but those who have never entered the water of the new covenant of
baptism in Christ are the sinners that remain in bondage to sin.

In other words, the Great Flood baptized the old world, the sea that
Moses parted and the tribes of Israel passed through was the way God
baptized the tribes of Israel, but the way John the Baptist baptized
Jesus is the only way to become born again of the spirit.

It all makes good sense to me, but I lack the words to explain to you
that I have been baptized when I was eight years old, and now if I
turn from the Truth, I am called a transgressor, not a sinner.

Sinner only applies to those who have not yet entered the waters of
baptismal.