Sleazy Bastard Pete.

[Michael Christ]

This is by far the worse thing I have read on the newsgroups...


Pete wrote:
>I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>to spit on him.

1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.




Michael Christ

[Rod]

It may be the worst thing ever said about you but it isn't by far the
worst thing said on usenet, not by a long way. If it helps, I'm sorry..

[Rod]

On 5/13/2013 6:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:

In the same instance...I feel bad that you feel that calling Pete a
sleazy bastard is called for. We reap that which we sow, so there will
be more of this to be certain. I'm sorry to see it come.

[MattB .]

Michael Prat is pure trash. Look at how he has been attacking Grace
and for what. Guess his voice told him to because it would get to me.
Is that the god you serve Rod??

Michael is false teacher.

Jim Jones might like him though.

[MattB .]

""Becoming more Christ-like is a growing process: Have you noticed how
nobody becomes perfect in all their ways the moment they accept
Christ? I believe there is a growing process we go through called
sanctification. 1 Thessalonians 5:23, "And the very God of peace
sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and
body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Timothy 2:22, "Flee also youthful lusts: but follow (pursue)
righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord
out of a pure heart."""

I believe the above.

[Rod]

On 5/13/2013 9:57 PM, MattB . wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 20:02:47 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2013 6:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>> This is by far the worse thing I have read on the newsgroups...
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete wrote:
>>>> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>>>> to spit on him.
>>>
>>> 1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
>>> 2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>> In the same instance...I feel bad that you feel that calling Pete a
>> sleazy bastard is called for. We reap that which we sow, so there will
>> be more of this to be certain. I'm sorry to see it come.
>
>
> Michael Prat is pure trash.

Please don't try to start a fight with him in your posts to me,
it is neither right nor fair.

Look at how he has been attacking Grace
> and for what.

Yes, Grace told me about that a few weeks back. She has taken care
of it. If you have such a problem with him why is it that you haven't
done something about it ?

Do something about it Matt. It is going to do nothing but anger you
more to read it. Don't

> Guess his voice told him to because it would get to me.

You are aggravating your own situation, Matt. People who
don't like your insults will come back at you when you
push their buttons.

> Is that the god you serve Rod??
>
> Michael is false teacher.

Do you know what Ugarit is ? Have you ever heard of the Ras Shamra
tablet(s) ?

and you're worried about Michael ??

>
> Jim Jones might like him though.

Jones is dead, leave him dead.

>

Your bias is showing Matt. The only person I have a problem with here
is Ike, and I'm finding a suitable method of dealing with him.
>
>
>

[Rod]

What you believe is your choice, no one is obligated to share it,
in spite of what Ike thinks.

[MattB .]

I don't care what anyone thinks to be honest. Michael claims to have
the power to condemn people with his voice that is false.

Pope Michael?

Many cult leader said that.

[MattB .]

Seems I only have a problem with false teachers. I and Vera became
friends after she left here. She has mellowed and I have also except
for false teachers. Those that pretend they have the voice of DOOM

As Far as Ugarit goes guess Michael could be the consort of Baal.

I'm not a turn the other cheek type of guy. Luckily many of us
aren't. Law enforcement and Private protection services would not
work if we all were.

[Rod]

Then why the concern about what he has said previously ?

> Michael claims to have
> the power to condemn people with his voice that is false.

Then why do you concern yourself about what he has said ?? If he is
false it will not happen. If he speaks true then you are in trouble...
but you have already said he is false, so why the concern ?

>
> Pope Michael?
>
> Many cult leader said that.

Look up the definition of cult sometime Matt, you'll find
Christianity is a cult, as is any religion.


>
>

[Rod]

As to whether Asherah is Baals consort, Els consort or Yahwehs
consort we may never know, but Baal and Yahweh are El's sons
according to the tablet(s).

But now you know where the idea for a queen of heaven originated
and propagated. Most are old ideas taken from other religions
and passed on. One culture stealing another cultures gods and
renaming them, or assuming the other cultures beliefs and merging
the gods into ONE God. Sound at all familiar ? It should.

>
> I'm not a turn the other cheek type of guy.

I'm learning to do so after helping correct all the harm that comes
from violence.

[Michael Christ]

Pete wrote:
> >> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
> >> to spit on him.
>
> > 1)  Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
> > 2)  Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>

Rod wrote:
>    In the same instance...I feel bad that you feel that calling Pete a
> sleazy bastard is called for. We reap that which we sow, so there will
> be more of this to be certain. I'm sorry to see it come.

It is not the same.

I call sleazy bastard because he is, Rod. And I have shown it many
times. What is said above is true.

I am quite comfortable with God, and that is all that really matters.
Have had peace with God in all things since 1987, only on account of
His work though.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 14, 8:59 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/2013 6:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>
> > This is by far the worse thing I have read on the newsgroups...
>
> > Pete wrote:
> >> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
> >> to spit on him.
>
> > 1)  Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
> > 2)  Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>
> > Michael Christ

Rod wrote:
>    It may be the worst thing ever said about you but it isn't by far the
> worst thing said on usenet, not by a long way. If it helps, I'm sorry..

I believe you and accept.

And thank you.

You are released of the Word that was spoken over you...with
pleasure. :-).




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 14, 12:42 pm, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 16:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ

> You are not the Lord. In spite of what you told Am d e,
> ==========================================
> You know you are Christ, I know I am Christ.  And yet, this has troubled me
> since the beginning.  Why are we not two as one?  Christ is one Spirit not
> many spirits.  A house divided against itself does not stand.
>
> Michael Christ
> ============================================
> You are not my neighbor, I was instructed to knock the dust off my boots in
> your direction
>
> You have clearly stated that you follow another god. I do not dispute that.
>
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

Still flogging the horse I see. :-).

You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus.




Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 5/14/2013 12:18 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>>>> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>>>> to spit on him.
>>
>>> 1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
>>> 2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>>
>
> Rod wrote:
>> In the same instance...I feel bad that you feel that calling Pete a
>> sleazy bastard is called for. We reap that which we sow, so there will
>> be more of this to be certain. I'm sorry to see it come.
>
> It is not the same.
>
> I call sleazy bastard because he is, Rod. And I have shown it many
> times. What is said above is true.

I'm sorry to see this because...well I'm not sure what words to say,
what should be is not yet.

[Rod]

On 5/14/2013 12:18 AM, Michael Christ wrote:

> Pete wrote:
>>>> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>>>> to spit on him.
>>
>>> 1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
>>> 2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>>
>
> Rod wrote:
>> In the same instance...I feel bad that you feel that calling Pete a
>> sleazy bastard is called for. We reap that which we sow, so there will
>> be more of this to be certain. I'm sorry to see it come.
>
> It is not the same.

I know. I felt the words were inadequate at the time. Things are
becoming clear slowly. The lies that have been told in Christianity
are making themselves known, lie by lie, step by step. it's fine with
me, I've no pressing appointments anyway.:>)

>
> I call sleazy bastard because he is, Rod. And I have shown it many
> times. What is said above is true.

The truth is that I don't see either of you in a bad light,
but then I'm not in either one of you's shoes either.

>
> I am quite comfortable with God, and that is all that really matters.




> Have had peace with God in all things since 1987, only on account of
> His work though.
>

I'm glad for you.

>
> Michael Christ
>

[MattB .]

It does sound familiar. Did El have 12 sons? Someone told me that El
is part of some names for god.

The greatest threat to Christianity in Roman times was Mithra or
Mithras.

>
>
>
>>
>> I'm not a turn the other cheek type of guy.
>
> I'm learning to do so after helping correct all the harm that comes
>from violence.

The thing here is to never initiate violence. To defend yourself and
others from harm is not the same as harming others for say being
different. I'd never harm anyone just for disagreeing with me. If
attacked you use maximum violence for the shortest time.

I have those gay neighbors in florida, we discussed it a few time
and then got along fine. Same with the wiccans. Didn't like the
Calvinist as he was aggressive to others. So no you should not
initiate violence.

Violence in our society I believe has much to do with the liberal
upbringing of so many people. So many seem to think they are owed and
have some excuse. I remember a shooting in Florida of a clerk, where
the shooter actually said he used to be a slave. They should have put
the parents in jail.

[MattB .]

Simple to expose false teachers and defend those lurkers. People must
be told he is false.

I now have quite a bit on him and can soon just post a weekly post
showing his deception and lies.

>
>
>> Michael claims to have
>> the power to condemn people with his voice that is false.
>
> Then why do you concern yourself about what he has said ?? If he is
>false it will not happen. If he speaks true then you are in trouble...
>but you have already said he is false, so why the concern ?

Why do you think we should except false teachers?

>
>
>
>>
>> Pope Michael?
>>
>> Many cult leader said that.
>
>
> Look up the definition of cult sometime Matt, you'll find
>Christianity is a cult, as is any religion.

Michael IMO is like a Jim Jones type. Believe Michael because he says
a voice told him a voice that lies so can't be of god.. Just don't
ask for details from his voice.

Ever met a true teacher they can look through you. They can't be
doubted.

Why do you act the way you do with IKE?

I think for much the same reason just a different button. False
teachers have always bothered me.

I missed the beginning of you and Ike's problem so don't know the
original cause.




>
>
>>
>>

[Rod]

False by who's understanding ? Are you so certain of your own
knowledge of scripture that can say that you know all that
scripture is teaching ?

Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
every line you understand completely ?

>
> I now have quite a bit on him and can soon just post a weekly post
> showing his deception and lies.

Show me a sample of what you have.

>
>
>>
>>
>>> Michael claims to have
>>> the power to condemn people with his voice that is false.

Show me this claim.

>>
>> Then why do you concern yourself about what he has said ?? If he is
>> false it will not happen. If he speaks true then you are in trouble...
>> but you have already said he is false, so why the concern ?
>
> Why do you think we should except false teachers?

I think that it should be proven that they are false with rock solid
evidence first, and that your understanding of that particular scripture
be (((PERFECT))) before you judge them to be false.

Lets see your evidence.

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Pope Michael?
>>>
>>> Many cult leader said that.
>>
>>
>> Look up the definition of cult sometime Matt, you'll find
>> Christianity is a cult, as is any religion.
>
> Michael IMO is like a Jim Jones type. Believe Michael because he says
> a voice told him a voice that lies so can't be of god.. Just don't
> ask for details from his voice.
>
> Ever met a true teacher they can look through you. They can't be
> doubted.
>
> Why do you act the way you do with IKE?

See the bottom of this post.

>
> I think for much the same reason just a different button.

You would be wrong. See the bottom of this post.

> False
> teachers have always bothered me.

In that case you should be learning much more about your religion
and it's over all history as well as the personal history of those
spoken of in history. There is a lot to learn...

>
> I missed the beginning of you and Ike's problem so don't know the
> original cause.

You can't figure that out knowing how Ike talks ? Ike thinks he is
the only believer on these groups and that everyone else is false,
yet he accuses me of running off all the other Christians.

It should now become glaringly apparent to you that while YOU
are judging Michael...some one has already judged you !

How many more of those that judge you do you think there are
on these groups ? Now the question is...do you want to watch
your back constantly...or do you want to end the cycle of evil ?

Do you REALLY want see this cycle come to it's natural conclusion ?
If you do...there won't be another human left alive on this planet,
you'll kill each other out of hate, dislike and distrust of one another.

Is this the world you want ? Why do you think that Revelation speaks
of "except that the LORD intervene, their should no life be left alive
on earth" ?

Why is it that you haven't learned to reject hatred yet ?




>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>

[MattB .]

Yet you support his saying which people are going to hell.

So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
false teacher.

>
> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
> every line you understand completely ?

No one does including Michael. Even the true teachers I have met
agree they don't know all. Unlike Michael

>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I now have quite a bit on him and can soon just post a weekly post
>> showing his deception and lies.
>
>
> Show me a sample of what you have.

Already have on his deception on me. Creative editing of replies.

Yes I'm sure God told him to edit sentences with deceptive intent.

Nope he isn't speaking for God.

>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Michael claims to have
>>>> the power to condemn people with his voice that is false.
>
> Show me this claim.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Then why do you concern yourself about what he has said ?? If he is
>>> false it will not happen. If he speaks true then you are in trouble...
>>> but you have already said he is false, so why the concern ?
>>
>> Why do you think we should except false teachers?
>
>
> I think that it should be proven that they are false with rock solid
>evidence first, and that your understanding of that particular scripture
>be (((PERFECT))) before you judge them to be false.

So you would approve of PI finding all about him???

Christians are told to beware those that are false teachers and
prophets.


>
> Lets see your evidence.

Lets see you evidence he is?

The Bible gives it's test.

He failed.

Name calling was enough.

Lies were enough.

>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pope Michael?
>>>>
>>>> Many cult leader said that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look up the definition of cult sometime Matt, you'll find
>>> Christianity is a cult, as is any religion.
>>
>> Michael IMO is like a Jim Jones type. Believe Michael because he says
>> a voice told him a voice that lies so can't be of god.. Just don't
>> ask for details from his voice.
>>
>> Ever met a true teacher they can look through you. They can't be
>> doubted.
>>
>> Why do you act the way you do with IKE?
>
> See the bottom of this post.
>
>
>
>>
>> I think for much the same reason just a different button.
>
> You would be wrong. See the bottom of this post.
>
>
>> False
>> teachers have always bothered me.
>
> In that case you should be learning much more about your religion
> and it's over all history as well as the personal history of those
> spoken of in history. There is a lot to learn...
>
>
>
>>
>> I missed the beginning of you and Ike's problem so don't know the
>> original cause.
>
>
> You can't figure that out knowing how Ike talks ? Ike thinks he is
>the only believer on these groups and that everyone else is false,
>yet he accuses me of running off all the other Christians.

AS does Michael for me and Grace. To him I'm not Christian because I
reject the domination of Michael. Then of trying to tell me why i am
wrong he says I'm hell bound for it.

>
> It should now become glaringly apparent to you that while YOU
> are judging Michael...some one has already judged you !

Yet I have told him over and over neither I or him are the ultimate
judge. BTW by your standard you just judged me.

How can we beware of false teachers without judging thier words and
deeds?

>
> How many more of those that judge you do you think there are
> on these groups ? Now the question is...do you want to watch
> your back constantly...or do you want to end the cycle of evil ?

Don't need worry much on that. Perfectly able to defend myself.
Armed most the time.

>
> Do you REALLY want see this cycle come to it's natural conclusion ?
>If you do...there won't be another human left alive on this planet,
>you'll kill each other out of hate, dislike and distrust of one another.

You saying his group will kill those that disagree with them. Sounds
like it. I disagree with many people and would never harm them for
it. That is just plain stupid.

>
> Is this the world you want ? Why do you think that Revelation speaks
> of "except that the LORD intervene, their should no life be left alive
> on earth" ?
>
> Why is it that you haven't learned to reject hatred yet ?

So what you are saying is everyone must agree with Michael or they are
full of hate?

There is no one on here I agree with completely and I don't hate any
of them. I am friends with Vera and we disagreed on much.

No you need to rethink your support of Michael and any who disagree
with him causing violence. I would never harm anyone physically for
disagreeing with me.

Michael seems like this JW person I knew once saying only those like
her were going to heaven.


>
>
>
>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

[Rod]

Question or accusation ?


Have you ever seen me say that ? When ? Haven't you ever mentioned to
someone that they are on the road to hell ? And perhaps God may have
told him so, but we can't know that to be certain.

Michael says that he has a real relationship with God. Can we safely
prove that he doesn't ? I don't think so.

>
> So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
> false teacher.

Where and when have I ever said this ? Post it.

>
>
>>
>> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
>> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
>> every line you understand completely ?
>
> No one does including Michael.

Once again, how can you say with absolute 100% certainty that he
hasn't had it explained to him, or doesn't understand ?

> Even the true teachers I have met
> agree they don't know all.

Can you see into my mind ? Tell me how much I understand of scripture,
not approximately, but EXACTLY how much I understand and then prove
it. Do you see now ? It's impossible for you or I to know these things
of other people UNLESS they tell you themselves.

> Unlike Michael
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I now have quite a bit on him and can soon just post a weekly post
>>> showing his deception and lies.
>>
>>
>> Show me a sample of what you have.
>
> Already have on his deception on me. Creative editing of replies.

I don't recall seeing it. What thread and when ?

>
> Yes I'm sure God told him to edit sentences with deceptive intent.

Sarcasm...that's good.

>
> Nope he isn't speaking for God.

Proof please...

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Michael claims to have
>>>>> the power to condemn people with his voice that is false.
>>
>> Show me this claim.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Then why do you concern yourself about what he has said ?? If he is
>>>> false it will not happen. If he speaks true then you are in trouble...
>>>> but you have already said he is false, so why the concern ?
>>>
>>> Why do you think we should except false teachers?
>>
>>
>> I think that it should be proven that they are false with rock solid
>> evidence first, and that your understanding of that particular scripture
>> be (((PERFECT))) before you judge them to be false.
>
> So you would approve of PI finding all about him???

Since when is my approval needed ?

>
> Christians are told to beware those that are false teachers and
> prophets.

And I believe it also teaches you to judge in righteousness,
meaning be correct in your judgment...because if you are wrong
to may have destroyed a life without good cause.

>
>
>>
>> Lets see your evidence.
>
> Lets see you evidence he is?

You're the one that is trying to convince me that he is a false
teacher, remember ? Sliding out from under your responsibility
to produce won't convince me of your integrity.

Did it ever occur to you that he isn't teaching to start with,
but proclaiming his understanding of scripture as he understands
it ?

That isn't teaching, it's debating and learning, sharing. I've never
seen him proclaim himself to be a teacher, so he can't hardly be a false
teacher, but a person in that position can be wrong about something.

>
> The Bible gives it's test.
>
> He failed.

It still doesn't make him a teacher, or a false teacher
if he hasn't been anointed as a pastor or a priest by
God.

It simply means that if a person is anointed to teach and found
to be teaching wrong things then he meets the description of false
teacher, but it usually takes more than being wrong on a few things to
condemn someone of this. Usually it is because they teach a FALSE
GOSPEL. You do see this, right ?


>
> Name calling was enough.

If that's all it takes then you and I are false as well!



>
> Lies were enough.

What did he lie about Matt ?

[Rod]

It is one of the names He is called in the old testament. Yahweh,
Elohim, Adonia, they are all names given God. They are also
Canaanite names for gods, an entire pantheon of them. The Hebrews
adopted the Cannanite gods names and worshipped God under those
names.

Let me leave you with a few facts that I learned of: there have been
far to many unexplained things happen for God to NOT exist. 2 Christ
was seen in India and kashmir and had a ministry in those countries,
and witnessed by far too many people to prove it a lie. He healed
the sick, the lame, the palsied, lepers, the insane, the possessed,
and dined with the 1st century King of India. His scars from the
crucifixion were seen and drawn out in a diagram made by Buddhist
monks who INSISTED on examining His body and His works. In the
palace of the same King, he healed people in front of the King and
several hundred Buddhist monks.

And is that isn't enough, Christ also signed the Kings guestbook.

>
> The greatest threat to Christianity in Roman times was Mithra or
> Mithras.

The greatest threat to Christianity is coming from those within it
and Islam.

[Rod]

On 5/14/2013 2:00 PM, Pete wrote:

> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
>> heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
>

> As always you speak without knowledge. Not just me, about everyone here.

Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.

Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Explain them, the time they speak of, when the Kingdom came.

[Rod]

Matt...people should be allowed to think and choose for themselves !

Not all the ducks HAVE TO BE Mallards to appreciate their beauty..
liberal upbringing is not the sole cause of hate in this world,
there are many causes, many sources of hate, the major causes are
intolerance and envy.

God wiped out most life on earth once except 8 people and several
species of animals. He could have wiped us all out and saved Himself
a lot of grief, and who is to say that he didn't create something
better and set them along side of us in case we get out of hand
again ?

I don't agree with you politically. Would you like to kill me now ?

I don't agree with you on Michael. Would you like to kill me now ?

> So many seem to think they are owed and
> have some excuse.

Some ARE owed, and for different reasons. Christ even told us to feed
and clothe the poor and needy, and He didn't stipulate that if they
are capable of work NOT to feed them. In fact I don't recall Christ
asking us to have an opinion on them at all.

It's cut and dried; either you do as He says or you DON'T do as He
says.

> I remember a shooting in Florida of a clerk, where
> the shooter actually said he used to be a slave.

If you shoot other than to defend yourself or another
you are in the wrong.

> They should have put
> the parents in jail.
>

Yes..

[MattB .]

Question.

>
>
> Have you ever seen me say that ? When ? Haven't you ever mentioned to
> someone that they are on the road to hell ? And perhaps God may have
> told him so, but we can't know that to be certain.
>
> Michael says that he has a real relationship with God. Can we safely
> prove that he doesn't ? I don't think so.

Now him having a relationship with God is a different matter than
being a teacher or being the voice of God.

I have a relationship with God and yet am not a teacher. I'd never
pass the test for it either. Then again his condemning people just
because they disagree with him is not what the Bible says.

Doubting Christ maybe doubting Michael no.

>
>
>
>>
>> So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
>> false teacher.
>
>
> Where and when have I ever said this ? Post it.

You haven't and yet don't think people should question Michael doing
it. It isn't safe?

Is it safe to take his word for it?

>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
>>> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
>>> every line you understand completely ?
>>
>> No one does including Michael.
>
> Once again, how can you say with absolute 100% certainty that he
>hasn't had it explained to him, or doesn't understand ?

So you are saying God tells him to attack people for posting
scripture?

God Told him to write deceptive post and to call names.

That alone tells me.

>
>
>
>
>> Even the true teachers I have met
>> agree they don't know all.
>
> Can you see into my mind ? Tell me how much I understand of scripture,
> not approximately, but EXACTLY how much I understand and then prove
>it. Do you see now ? It's impossible for you or I to know these things
>of other people UNLESS they tell you themselves.

No but neither can Michael. Do you honestly think he is Christ on
earth?????

[Rod]

But if Michael is relaying what the scripture says, then what ? Do you
consider that your understanding might be wrong ?

>
> Doubting Christ maybe doubting Michael no.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
>>> false teacher.
>>
>>
>> Where and when have I ever said this ? Post it.
>
> You haven't and yet don't think people should question Michael doing
> it. It isn't safe?

Not if your knowledge of scripture isn't perfect. You're sticking
your neck out inviting God to punish you...and He might..

>
> Is it safe to take his word for it?

verify, verify, verify.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
>>>> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
>>>> every line you understand completely ?
>>>
>>> No one does including Michael.
>>
>> Once again, how can you say with absolute 100% certainty that he
>> hasn't had it explained to him, or doesn't understand ?
>
> So you are saying God tells him to attack people for posting
> scripture?

Did I say that ?

>
> God Told him to write deceptive post and to call names.

He said that ? Are you kidding me ?

>
> That alone tells me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Even the true teachers I have met
>>> agree they don't know all.
>>
>> Can you see into my mind ? Tell me how much I understand of scripture,
>> not approximately, but EXACTLY how much I understand and then prove
>> it. Do you see now ? It's impossible for you or I to know these things
>> of other people UNLESS they tell you themselves.
>
> No but neither can Michael. Do you honestly think he is Christ on
> earth?????

Christ Himself ? No...but a member of the body of Christ...that's up
for God to decide. I'm staying out of it.

>> to many have destroyed a life without good cause.

[MattB .]

I agree with much of what you say here. Islam is a threat to all
freedom on earth. Fanatical you are going to hell types are also
against freedom.

God made us with many gift and I believe freedom of choice. It is my
hope that most the denomination are true in Salvation even if they
disagree a little on the details.

Michael can bel;ieve as he chooses and I have no problem if he chooses
to condemn those that believe differently them I consider him false.

He says I am condemned for how I believe but can't tell me how I
believe. Just some very broad random Rhetoric.

If I am condemned for not believing Michael has the authority he
claims. Well so be it.

My faith is in God alone.

[MattB .]

True but yet when kids are brought up thinking there is no
consequences for thier action not a good thing. You are correct as
long as they respect the rights of others.

>
> Not all the ducks HAVE TO BE Mallards to appreciate their beauty..
> liberal upbringing is not the sole cause of hate in this world,
> there are many causes, many sources of hate, the major causes are
> intolerance and envy.
>
> God wiped out most life on earth once except 8 people and several
> species of animals. He could have wiped us all out and saved Himself
> a lot of grief, and who is to say that he didn't create something
> better and set them along side of us in case we get out of hand
> again ?
>
> I don't agree with you politically. Would you like to kill me now ?

You You Yoorghis that's what you are a Yoorghis :-))))

>
> I don't agree with you on Michael. Would you like to kill me now ?

No. Our souls are our own. We are each responsible for the actions
and eventual judgement. I've never suggested violence on anyone here.

>
>
>
>
>> So many seem to think they are owed and
>> have some excuse.
>
> Some ARE owed, and for different reasons. Christ even told us to feed
> and clothe the poor and needy, and He didn't stipulate that if they
> are capable of work NOT to feed them. In fact I don't recall Christ
> asking us to have an opinion on them at all.
>
> It's cut and dried; either you do as He says or you DON'T do as He
> says.

So you are saying Christ said we should have a portion of the people
living off the work of the other. The disabled and elderly I agree.
The lazy NO.

>
>
>
>> I remember a shooting in Florida of a clerk, where
>> the shooter actually said he used to be a slave.
>
> If you shoot other than to defend yourself or another
> you are in the wrong.

I agree. Never have. Well except at a range.

There is no threat of violence at least from my end of violence just
telling people my views.

[MattB .]

My understanding can always be wrong as can his. Don't you think you
might be as wrong as you claim I am by disagreeing with me.

We can only go by what we believe.

>
>
>>
>> Doubting Christ maybe doubting Michael no.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
>>>> false teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where and when have I ever said this ? Post it.
>>
>> You haven't and yet don't think people should question Michael doing
>> it. It isn't safe?
>
> Not if your knowledge of scripture isn't perfect. You're sticking
>your neck out inviting God to punish you...and He might..

What if his are?

>
>
>
>>
>> Is it safe to take his word for it?
>
> verify, verify, verify.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
>>>>> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
>>>>> every line you understand completely ?
>>>>
>>>> No one does including Michael.
>>>
>>> Once again, how can you say with absolute 100% certainty that he
>>> hasn't had it explained to him, or doesn't understand ?
>>
>> So you are saying God tells him to attack people for posting
>> scripture?
>
> Did I say that ?

No but if he is Christ as he claims. Would he do that?

>
>
>>
>> God Told him to write deceptive post and to call names.
>
> He said that ? Are you kidding me ?

He has said his voice tells him the truth which he post. If that is
so then what do you make of it.

I doubt him because of the way he post more than anything. You and I
normal Christians I accept we can do that. A direct conduit for God
NO.

>
>
>>
>> That alone tells me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Even the true teachers I have met
>>>> agree they don't know all.
>>>
>>> Can you see into my mind ? Tell me how much I understand of scripture,
>>> not approximately, but EXACTLY how much I understand and then prove
>>> it. Do you see now ? It's impossible for you or I to know these things
>>> of other people UNLESS they tell you themselves.
>>
>> No but neither can Michael. Do you honestly think he is Christ on
>> earth?????
>
> Christ Himself ? No...but a member of the body of Christ...that's up
>for God to decide. I'm staying out of it.

We are both you and I part of the Body of Christ. That is my point
all judgement as to a persons salvation is up to God.

I am not saying he is or isn't saved. Yet he does.
>
>
>
Snipped for space

[Amazing Grace]

"MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
news:jp95p8565ah4o2v7s...@4ax.com...

Amen.

Romans 12:

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present
your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your
reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing
of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
perfect, will of God.

God bless,
Grace

[Rod]

yes ! Now you see the point I was trying to make to you.

>
> We can only go by what we believe.

NO...we have people whose knowledge is approved of by God that we can
go to AND learn from.

>>
>>
>>>
>>> Doubting Christ maybe doubting Michael no.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
>>>>> false teacher.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where and when have I ever said this ? Post it.
>>>
>>> You haven't and yet don't think people should question Michael doing
>>> it. It isn't safe?
>>
>> Not if your knowledge of scripture isn't perfect. You're sticking
>> your neck out inviting God to punish you...and He might..
>
> What if his are?

What if his "what" are "what" ? What are you asking ?

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Is it safe to take his word for it?
>>
>> verify, verify, verify.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
>>>>>> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
>>>>>> every line you understand completely ?
>>>>>
>>>>> No one does including Michael.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, how can you say with absolute 100% certainty that he
>>>> hasn't had it explained to him, or doesn't understand ?
>>>
>>> So you are saying God tells him to attack people for posting
>>> scripture?
>>
>> Did I say that ?
>
> No but if he is Christ as he claims. Would he do that?

First of all, I don't believe that he was claiming to be Jesus
Himself, but being of Christ's body would make you Christ, not
someone else. Do you see what I'm getting at here ?

>>
>>
>>>
>>> God Told him to write deceptive post and to call names.
>>
>> He said that ? Are you kidding me ?
>
> He has said his voice tells him the truth which he post. If that is
> so then what do you make of it.

He may or may not be listening to God. I am in no position to say
until what the voices say contradict what God has said.

>
> I doubt him because of the way he post more than anything. You and I
> normal Christians I accept we can do that.

I repeat....I am NOT a Christian. Ike has said that I practice
a heathen religion but I can't get him to tell me what heathen
religion he thinks I am involved in.

A direct conduit for God
> NO.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> That alone tells me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Even the true teachers I have met
>>>>> agree they don't know all.
>>>>
>>>> Can you see into my mind ? Tell me how much I understand of scripture,
>>>> not approximately, but EXACTLY how much I understand and then prove
>>>> it. Do you see now ? It's impossible for you or I to know these things
>>>> of other people UNLESS they tell you themselves.
>>>
>>> No but neither can Michael. Do you honestly think he is Christ on
>>> earth?????
>>
>> Christ Himself ? No...but a member of the body of Christ...that's up
>> for God to decide. I'm staying out of it.
>
> We are both you and I part of the Body of Christ.

I am not a Christian, Matt. I do not believe 100% of the bible
and some books of the old testament paint God as a murderous
God, and I cannot accept that. Simply too much has been done
for me by Him too accept that he could and would do those things.

I cannot. I am unable to accept it. Every fiber of my being cries
out against it.

I follow Christ because of His love, His kindness and compassion,
His works and because His words are a path to life that even
some of the blind can see. I don't for a moment believe that
God would make a bad spirit or make evil for His own entertainment
and amusement. I follow my peoples beliefs which are in line with
what I have told you.

This doesn't make me a Christian.

[Rod]

You worry over nothing. Stop buying into trouble before it makes
itself known and available.

[Rod]

That isn't right ! Poor Gary's reputation ruined !

>
>>
>> I don't agree with you on Michael. Would you like to kill me now ?
>
> No. Our souls are our own. We are each responsible for the actions
> and eventual judgement. I've never suggested violence on anyone here.

<smiling...> No you haven't...but then Yoorghis doesn't post here
either, does he Matt ??? <grinning>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> So many seem to think they are owed and
>>> have some excuse.
>>
>> Some ARE owed, and for different reasons. Christ even told us to feed
>> and clothe the poor and needy, and He didn't stipulate that if they
>> are capable of work NOT to feed them. In fact I don't recall Christ
>> asking us to have an opinion on them at all.
>>
>> It's cut and dried; either you do as He says or you DON'T do as He
>> says.
>
> So you are saying Christ said we should have a portion of the people
> living off the work of the other. The disabled and elderly I agree.
> The lazy NO.

I am saying that we should do as we are told by Christ
without questioning it.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I remember a shooting in Florida of a clerk, where
>>> the shooter actually said he used to be a slave.
>>
>> If you shoot other than to defend yourself or another
>> you are in the wrong.
>
> I agree. Never have. Well except at a range.
>
> There is no threat of violence at least from my end of violence just
> telling people my views.

Of course not. I have never thought that you would harm anyone,
other than Yoorghis...<grinning>

[MattB .]

True and I have asked Michael to explain his views. He can't.

Can't tell me why I am condemned except that I disagree with him as to
his authority. That and that alone.

I'll take your advice and print out copies of his post for examination
by others. Get other opinions.

>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doubting Christ maybe doubting Michael no.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So to you the Judgement of placing people in Hell is equal to being a
>>>>>> false teacher.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where and when have I ever said this ? Post it.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't and yet don't think people should question Michael doing
>>>> it. It isn't safe?
>>>
>>> Not if your knowledge of scripture isn't perfect. You're sticking
>>> your neck out inviting God to punish you...and He might..
>>
>> What if his are?
>
>
> What if his "what" are "what" ? What are you asking ?
>
>

""knowledge of scripture"

>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it safe to take his word for it?
>>>
>>> verify, verify, verify.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for a follower
>>>>>>> to become a Saint ? Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,
>>>>>>> every line you understand completely ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one does including Michael.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, how can you say with absolute 100% certainty that he
>>>>> hasn't had it explained to him, or doesn't understand ?
>>>>
>>>> So you are saying God tells him to attack people for posting
>>>> scripture?
>>>
>>> Did I say that ?
>>
>> No but if he is Christ as he claims. Would he do that?
>
> First of all, I don't believe that he was claiming to be Jesus
>Himself, but being of Christ's body would make you Christ, not
>someone else. Do you see what I'm getting at here ?

Yes he is and other here aren't. Looks like we are all equals here as
far as being of the body of Christ.

>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> God Told him to write deceptive post and to call names.
>>>
>>> He said that ? Are you kidding me ?
>>
>> He has said his voice tells him the truth which he post. If that is
>> so then what do you make of it.
>
> He may or may not be listening to God. I am in no position to say
>until what the voices say contradict what God has said.

Yes God goes around lying about people to him. He doesn't know what
he claims about me at least. God is truth anything less and it isn't
from God.

>
>
>
>>
>> I doubt him because of the way he post more than anything. You and I
>> normal Christians I accept we can do that.
>
>
> I repeat....I am NOT a Christian. Ike has said that I practice
> a heathen religion but I can't get him to tell me what heathen
>religion he thinks I am involved in.

I know some wiccans that are more like Christians should be than many
Christians. Make good candles and teas too.

I know what you are getting at. You ever read the red letter edition
and only read the red. That to me puts the Bible into prospective for
me at least.

When it comes to Michael we will have to agree to disagree. I will
except him as a equal but not as my teacher or minister. Not without
more than he can give.

[MattB .]

I'm not worried and don't fear for my safety. There are people new to
Christ that may need warning about this charlatan Michael.

If he wants to convince people I need to hear more than because he has
condemned people. I need more. Because his name is Michael just
isn't enough for me.

We will just have to agree to disagree. God will judge us in the end.

[MattB .]

You trying to make me choke here. ;-))))

>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> I don't agree with you on Michael. Would you like to kill me now ?
>>
>> No. Our souls are our own. We are each responsible for the actions
>> and eventual judgement. I've never suggested violence on anyone here.
>
> <smiling...> No you haven't...but then Yoorghis doesn't post here
>either, does he Matt ??? <grinning>

No but you did get the joke. I hope. I could have called you Zepp.

I bet we agree more on politics than you believe. I'm right of
center. What you Tea Party all the way? I don't think you are
liberal.

[Rod]

Educated opinions in the fields of theology or anthropology,
not music...

This is another reason why I cannot be a Christian. I believe that
good can be in the heart of a person, and some scriptures deny it
entirely. I can't agree with them.

No...there is too much difference between what Christians believe and
what I believe. I would have to accept all their beliefs to be one,
and I cannot.

I'll stay with my people and their belief. it is right.

no man has a right to ask more of you than this. so be it.

[Rod]

<smiling...>

Some truths are better left unspoken. Gary didn't have a chance
the moment he was born. In a spiritual way...I feel a
connection with him, and a responsibility for him. Every time I see
a bible I am reminded of it.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't agree with you on Michael. Would you like to kill me now ?
>>>
>>> No. Our souls are our own. We are each responsible for the actions
>>> and eventual judgement. I've never suggested violence on anyone here.
>>
>> <smiling...> No you haven't...but then Yoorghis doesn't post here
>> either, does he Matt ??? <grinning>
>
>
> No but you did get the joke. I hope.

I did.

I could have called you Zepp.

I don't know him....perhaps I'd better go down there and check
out what a Zepp is.

Honestly...I'm tiring of the strife in the groups. I do enjoy
talking with you and grace and even Michael. it's peaceful, nice
most of the time and not a lot of hate in the air.

>
> I bet we agree more on politics than you believe. I'm right of
> center. What you Tea Party all the way?

No. We had a falling out when some of their members decided to
support a candidate that has nothing but contempt for the working
class.

They were worried about Hillary being elected as President, and most
of us are...but I wouldn't sell out my other supporters to stop
Hillary. That kind of thing is unjustified.

I don't think you are
> liberal.

I am a social moderate and a fiscal conservative

[MattB .]

Good luck.

>
> Honestly...I'm tiring of the strife in the groups. I do enjoy
> talking with you and grace and even Michael. it's peaceful, nice
> most of the time and not a lot of hate in the air.

I've backed off on the other groups mostly. Since Obama has 3 hits on
his administration at the moment it has gotten crazy.

>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I bet we agree more on politics than you believe. I'm right of
>> center. What you Tea Party all the way?
>
> No. We had a falling out when some of their members decided to
> support a candidate that has nothing but contempt for the working
> class.
>
> They were worried about Hillary being elected as President, and most
> of us are...but I wouldn't sell out my other supporters to stop
>Hillary. That kind of thing is unjustified.

I've wondered if we had to have a Dem as President if Hilary could
have been worse than Obama. I just hope the conservatives have a
better choice next election.

>
>
>
>
> I don't think you are
>> liberal.
>
> I am a social moderate and a fiscal conservative
>

Defiantly not a liberal. Personally I haven't found a single party I
agree with 100%. Haven't found a church I agree 100% with either.

Don't know what that makes me.

[MattB .]

Good day Grace.

In the above I have wondered what "reasonable service" means.

God Bless

Matt

[vince garcia]

It means something along the lines of "correct means of preistly
worship"

"service" refers to "service" in the sense of priests doing priest stuff
in the temple

[Rod]

On 5/15/2013 3:04 AM, Pete wrote:

> On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:13 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/2013 2:00 PM, Pete wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
>>>> heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
>>>
>>> As always you speak without knowledge. Not just me, about everyone here.
>>
>> Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
>> shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
>> kingdom.
>>

> Spoken to those alive at the time, who Jesus said that some of them would
> still be alive when He arose from the grave,

Okay then, you see it as meaning returning to His kingdom from death,
okay.




> and that he would be coming
> with his spiritual kingdom. He spent 40 days or so before He left for the
> last time until the time of the church is up.

>
>
>> Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which
>> shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

This one is a little different in that it says that those standing
there will see the Kingdom. Now it is saying something slightly
different than the one above...what ??

>>
>> Explain them, the time they speak of, when the Kingdom came.
>

> Again, as above.
> Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom
> were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be
> delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
>
> Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this
> world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to
> them that love him?
>

[MattB .]

Then the next question would be what is "correct means of priestly

worship"


>
>"service" refers to "service" in the sense of priests doing priest stuff
>in the temple

Studying the Bible can be difficult in some ways. Take the word
Agape, maybe it is just me but took quite a while to learn it's
meaning in respect to some passages. Just replacing it with "Love"
isn't quite enough. Then again my literary skills lets just say
aren't that great.

[Snow]

On May 14, 9:58 am, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>

wrote:
> This is by far the worse thing I have read on the newsgroups...
>
> Pete wrote:
> >I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
> >to spit on him.
>
> 1)  Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
> 2)  Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>
> Michael Christ

What a shame you would post this. People don't have to agree with
you. When in doubt, be kind. All people are made in the image of the
creator... Love them just as they are and be kind. I hope this helps
you in some way to be a better human being. It's all we can expect of
anybody.

[Rod]

She is worse than Obama by miles, and she is SMART. You don't need
what she will bring...

I just hope the conservatives have a
> better choice next election.

Me too, but I told Romney on his facebook page that if he will
create a way of getting people back to work and make the plan known
then I will vote for him should he run again.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think you are
>>> liberal.
>>
>> I am a social moderate and a fiscal conservative
>>
>
> Defiantly not a liberal. Personally I haven't found a single party I
> agree with 100%. Haven't found a church I agree 100% with either.
>
> Don't know what that makes me.

Very independent.

[Rod]

On 5/15/2013 7:45 PM, Pete wrote:

> On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:18:01 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2013 3:04 AM, Pete wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:13 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/14/2013 2:00 PM, Pete wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>>>>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
>>>>>> heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
>>>>>
>>>>> As always you speak without knowledge. Not just me, about everyone here.
>>>>
>>>> Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
>>>> shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
>>>> kingdom.
>>>>
>>> Spoken to those alive at the time, who Jesus said that some of them would
>>> still be alive when He arose from the grave,
>>
>

> Matthew 17:1,2 Jesus revealed His Kingdom. Before His death and afterwards
> we, the believers are a part of that Kingdom of Heaven(God)
> 2 Peter 1:16-18 A confirmation of it.

>
>> Okay then, you see it as meaning returning to His kingdom from death,
>> okay.
>>

> No, I was too hasty, thinking about His Kingdom of God which is in our
> hearts which is also part of that kingdom.

>
>>> and that he would be coming
>>> with his spiritual kingdom. He spent 40 days or so before He left for the
>>> last time until the time of the church is up.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which
>>>> shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
>>
>> This one is a little different in that it says that those standing
>> there will see the Kingdom. Now it is saying something slightly
>> different than the one above...what ??
>>
>

> The kingdom of Heaven, spoken of in Matthew, was the Kingdom of God
> referenced in the other three gospel Again this is referring to seeing the
> kingdom of heaven and the transformation of Jesus as Verified by Peter.
>
> For some reason he shows the transfiguration as 8 days later, not six as
> Matthew has stated. Luke 9:28-36
>
> This is separate and apart from when Jesus left as described in Acts 1:8-11
> and Luke 24:48-52
>
> The Born Again believers from all walks of life and all churches, of all
> colors, and various strengths of Faith are part of the Kingdom of
> Heaven/God in the here and now, spiritually speaking.

>
>>>>
>>>> Explain them, the time they speak of, when the Kingdom came.
>>>
>>> Again, as above.
>>> Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom
>>> were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be
>>> delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
>>>
>>> Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this
>>> world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to
>>> them that love him?
>>>
>
>
>
>

Thank you!

[Rod]

Yeah. I went down there a little bit ago and crazy IS the right word,
and Gary is still on his anti racist campaign but he doesn't include
himself.

[MattB .]

True.

Best for me to back off mostly there.

[MattB .]

Next election should be interesting.

>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think you are
>>>> liberal.
>>>
>>> I am a social moderate and a fiscal conservative
>>>
>>
>> Defiantly not a liberal. Personally I haven't found a single party I
>> agree with 100%. Haven't found a church I agree 100% with either.
>>
>> Don't know what that makes me.
>
>
> Very independent.

:=)))

[Michael Christ]

On May 15, 6:54 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> MattB . wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 May 2013 18:06:31 -0400, "Amazing Grace"

> > <maranat...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >"MattB ." <trdell1...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:jp95p8565ah4o2v7s...@4ax.com...

> > >> On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:16:00 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>On 5/14/2013 11:19 AM, MattB . wrote:

> > >>>> On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:14:54 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> On 5/13/2013 10:51 PM, MattB . wrote:

> > >>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:36:08 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> On 5/13/2013 9:57 PM, MattB . wrote:

Vince wrote:
> It means something along the lines of "correct means of preistly
> worship"
>
> "service" refers to "service" in the sense of priests doing priest stuff
> in the temple

It means that offering up your life as a living sacrifice is the
absolute minimum (only reasonable service) in light of His glory and
grace (His worthiness).

That is the trouble with trying to communicate with you people, you
are all head knowledge, and the only way to truly know and understand
God is with the heart.

And here is your 'head verifying' bible verse so that you can find a
tick in your brain...

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 15, 3:00 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>

> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
> > heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
>
> As always you speak without knowledge. Not just me, about everyone here.
>

> Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
> deceive many.
>
> Luk 21:8  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall
> come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not
> therefore after them.
>
> Had you taken heed to these verses and others you would not have been so
> surprised.
>
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

Dear Peter, your context is not my context.

Try another 15 year old quote maybe to try and find evil in.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 16, 3:13 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 14, 9:58 am, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is by far the worse thing I have read on the newsgroups...
>
> > Pete wrote:
> > >I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
> > >to spit on him.
>
> > 1)  Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
> > 2)  Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.

Snow wrote:
> What a shame you would post this.  People don't have to agree with
> you.  When in doubt, be kind.  All people are made in the image of the
> creator... Love them just as they are and be kind.  I hope this helps
> you in some way to be a better human being.  It's all we can expect of
> anybody.

Thank you for your humanistic advice, Mr. Snow.

However, the Lord is trying to help Peter see the truth about his
nature.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 17, 5:37 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2013 03:34:59 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 3:00 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>
> >> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
> >>> heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
>
> >> As always you speak without knowledge. Not just me, about everyone here.
>
> >> Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
> >> deceive many.
>
> >> Luk 21:8  And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall
> >> come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not
> >> therefore after them.
>
> >> Had you taken heed to these verses and others you would not have been so
> >> surprised.
>

> > Dear Peter, your context is not my context.
>
> > Try another 15 year old quote maybe to try and find evil in.
>
> > Michael Christ
>

> Your context was quite clear as you explained it to your "buddy".
>
> The verses are not my context but Gods.

> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

You are not God context, Pete, you are 'Pete context', as profoundly
demonstrated.

This is by far the worse thing I have read on the newsgroups...


Pete wrote:
>I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>to spit on him.

1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.

Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 5/16/2013 9:46 PM, Pete wrote:

> So you believe you are worth spitting on?

>
>> Pete wrote:
>>> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>>> to spit on him.
>>
>> 1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
>> 2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>>
>> Michael Christ

> When I stated that I was incorrect about this and you accepted that, and
> now you keep posting it to use it as you will, just what does that make
> you?
>
> I was speaking of the point that you weren't worth the time.
>
> Should I now spit on you to make you fell better?
>
>
>

Save your spit for congress, they earned every bit of it this year.

[Rod]

On 5/17/2013 10:00 PM, Pete wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:32:43 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Save your spit for congress, they earned every bit of it this year.
>

> I haven't been paying attention to them, what's up?
>

Go and look, and whatever you do..DO NOT TURN YOUR BACK
ON THEM. Boehner is attempting to squash the Benghazi
investigation. Do you know, under the current national
security laws it is possible to hide a multitude of
criminal acts against ones own people ?

[Rod]

On 5/18/2013 8:51 PM, Pete wrote:

> I did notice that mainly back east and middle back east?? that cops were
> busting people taking videos of them under the terrorist act. I couldn't
> believe it, out here everybody does it.
>
> Today I heard that people on the watch list, Muslims, are going to the
> white house virtually every day for counsel with the pres. I also saw that
> the IRS against the guns rights people and those that were for a new party,
> you know local groups that were fed up with gov were being investigated. It
> won't be long until we will have to speak in coded words like in China so
> as to keep out of the limelight. I understand already that the religious,
> the "right", and all vets are on the watch list. I met an older guy today
> who owns a gun shop and he is fed up something fierce.
>
>

I have 4 years left to full retirement. When I am able to do
it Mary and I are leaving the US. I made some friends in Panama
while I was driving between Kck and Panama City, and we are looking
it and Nicaragua over close. I'm told that both are great places to
retire. There is just far too much in fighting between political
factions in the US, Americans busy trying to destroy the future of
other Americans, the socialists have them at each others throats
and you can tell those Americans that they are being played
by socialists but they won't listen. If this keeps up, civil war
will be a reality. I think that Obama and crew knew it, and that
is why Homeland Security is buying up all the ammunition they can
buy. You can't fire an empty gun. Very smart thinking on Obamas
part.

[Rod]

On 5/18/2013 10:53 PM, Pete wrote:

> Have you considered reloaders?


No. I have arms for self defense, mostly for Mary because I am gone
quite a bit, but arms are not the answer for social and political
problems, they only preserve life or take it, they don't resolve
complex issues for both sides.


>
> As much as everyone hates americanos I would hate to take my chances.

There is a large population of ex-patriot americans living in Panama,
civilians, ex-military and ex-federal workers. Panama has an
affordable healthcare system and very good doctors and hospitals,
open street markets and a well regulated food industry. It is
about like here except not as expensive to live except for the
real estate. They have a good police force and few problems with
marxists or socialists. Mexico cannot say the same nor can costa
rica. Nicaragua on the other hand has a socialized healthcare system
and you have to have been a citizen for at least 2 years before
your medical is free. Both Panama and Nicaragua have lower taxes
than we do. Both are about the same except for real estate and
healthcare.

Both countries have very nice beaches and undeveloped properties
for sale cheap. The problem with that is that the resort developers
are trying to buy up all the beach front properties.




> Nicaragua seems to me like the best, size, culture, foods.

It is a good shot, but in Panama I can find retirement work
driving at the port part time and the pay is very good, and
jobs in Nicaragua are hard to find. Full retirement is an
early killer. People that are close to my age and older have
retired fully and are dropping like flies after a few years.

I am hoping that I can buy some beachfront property in
panama for a reasonable price, or at least close to the beach.

I've been told that Belize is also a good destination
so I might check it out. I have some friends and relatives
on the reservation in North Dakota that are interested in going
their with us, so I've emailed them all the information that
I have so far.

>

Rod

[Ike]

On 5/13/2013 11:41 PM, Rod wrote:

[snippeth]

> What you believe is your choice, no one is obligated to share it,
> in spite of what Ike thinks.


You're right--you can choose to go to hell, which you have, and you're
welcome to it.

Ike

[Rod]

On 5/19/2013 5:20 PM, Pete wrote:

> Often due to inactivity of any type.

>
>
>> I am hoping that I can buy some beachfront property in
>> panama for a reasonable price, or at least close to the beach.
>>
>

> That would be just too cool, and surf fishing?

Yes.

>
>> I've been told that Belize is also a good destination
>> so I might check it out. I have some friends and relatives
>> on the reservation in North Dakota that are interested in going
>> their with us, so I've emailed them all the information that
>> I have so far.
>>
>

> Do you watch those relocation shows?

Some of them.


There are quite a few from central and
> so America by ex-pats.
>
> There used to be a lot of talk about another canal being built but through
> Central Mexico, heard anything?

You know, I never stopped except for fuel at a mexico city
truck stop. You get in and get out and if you are lucky the
bandits and hijackers don't know you are around. if you need
help their forget it, the police are corrupt, most of them taking
money from the drug gangs. I drove 28 hours straight once to
get out of mexico.

No, I didn't stay around long enough to find out.



>
> Are you taking Spanish lessons?

I'm trying to teach myself spanish online.



Or watching spanish programming?



I'm learning it online.



>>>
>>
>> Rod
>
>
>
>

[Up from the Abyss]

"Rod" wrote:
> MattB wrote:
> > Rod wrote:
> >> MattB wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Simple to expose false teachers and defend those
> >>> lurkers. People must be told he is false.
> >>
> >> False by who's understanding ? Are you so certain
> >> of your own knowledge of scripture that can say that
> >> you know all that scripture is teaching ?

Rod, Michael is false.

As for everyone around here thinking they have some
"duty" to expose them consistently. Well, I think if
they simply left them alone, and did not respond, it
would have the greater impact. Besides, anyone
with half a brain, will see that Michael is false by
his own words. He exposes himself daily.

<snip>

> Have you ever seen me say that ? When ? Haven't you
> ever mentioned to someone that they are on the road to
> hell ? And perhaps God may have told him so, but we
> can't know that to be certain.

*If* God told Michael so, then may it be true that I
am impotent.


> Michael says that he has a real relationship with God.

And how many here amoung us also make that claim?
Of those making said claim, of how many would you
deem said claim to clearly be true?


> Can we safely prove that he doesn't ? I don't think so.

Yes, we can. And, Michael's own words have
confirmed it so.

<snip>

> >> Do you or do you not believe that it takes time for
> >> a follower to become a Saint ?

Define "saint".

A person can become a "saint" upon the moment of belief.
It is how they continue to live following that, that confirms
or denies that status.


> >> Do you believe the Gospel entirely, every verse,

There was a time.


> >> every line you understand completely ?

Define "complete understanding".

Just because one understands it differently than another,
does not make either understanding wrong, nor does it
make one understanding correct. There is a depth of
understanding.

Example: Jesus says to Peter, get behind me satan.

Is Jesus saying:

1) That Peter is satan.
2) That satan is within Peter
3) That Peter's desire was contrary to God's plan.

<snip>

> > Already have on his deception on me. Creative
> > editing of replies.
>
> I don't recall seeing it. What thread and when ?

I saw it.

Thread: Re: ..Deception is not used by Christ teachers/leaders.....

I stand witness.


> > Yes I'm sure God told him to edit sentences with
> > deceptive intent.
>
> Sarcasm...that's good.

Yet, it is the truth.


> > Nope he isn't speaking for God.
>
> Proof please...

I stand as witness Rod.

I replied to the thread and further addressed the issue
this very day.

<snip>

> > Christians are told to beware those that are false teachers
> > and prophets.
>
> And I believe it also teaches you to judge in righteousness,
> meaning be correct in your judgment...because if you are
> wrong to may have destroyed a life without good cause.

Michael's own words are the "destroyer" in this instance.

<snip>

> > Lies were enough.
>
> What did he lie about Matt ?

Michael lied with regard to Matt's response to him.

I saw it. I stand as witness.

<snip>

[Rod]

I have chosen no such thing. You delight in deception.

[Rod]

On 5/19/2013 9:45 PM, Pete wrote:

> No cat naps? I could not imagine doing that.

No. No knaps. The company I was driving for warned me
ahead of time. They had other trucks hijacked their and in
two cases the drivers were killed.

>
>> No, I didn't stay around long enough to find out.
>>
>>>
>>> Are you taking Spanish lessons?
>>
>> I'm trying to teach myself spanish online.
>>
>> Or watching spanish programming?
>>
>> I'm learning it online.
>>

> Cool, I had 7 years of it and cannot speak it unless I am reading it out
> loud. :(
>

At least you can speak it. I'm struggling to get the pronounciation
right.

[Ike]

On 5/14/2013 1:18 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>>>> I am fully satisfied that he is a total loser, and not even worth the time
>>>> to spit on him.
>>
>>> 1) Because it spits in the face of the Lord.
>>> 2) Because it spits in the face of his neighbour.
>>
>

> Rod wrote:
>> In the same instance...I feel bad that you feel that calling Pete a
>> sleazy bastard is called for. We reap that which we sow, so there will
>> be more of this to be certain. I'm sorry to see it come.
>

> It is not the same.
>
> I call sleazy bastard because he is, Rod.

All the while failing to recognize that you're even sleazier than him,
antichristian.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/14/2013 1:22 AM, Michael Christ wrote:

> You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
> heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

Antichristian, you've never been there, and never will while denying
Jesus and His Gospel of grace through faith, NO LAW KEEPING REQUIRED.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/14/2013 10:09 AM, Rod wrote:

> I know. I felt the words were inadequate at the time. Things are
> becoming clear slowly. The lies that have been told in Christianity
> are making themselves known, lie by lie, step by step. it's fine with
> me, I've no pressing appointments anyway.:>)

YOU are the liar, moron; not them.

The churches have problems; you're just an out-and-out lunatic, heretic,
and all around antichristian, just like the rest of the cult nuts around
here.

> The truth is that I don't see either of you in a bad light,

...which demonstrates how truly ignorant you are.

> but then I'm not in either one of you's shoes either.

Now, you have your own pair that stinks worse then theirs.

>> I am quite comfortable with God, and that is all that really matters.
>
>
>
>
>> Have had peace with God in all things since 1987, only on account of
>> His work though.

Neither one of you boobs knows God, nor does He know you.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/14/2013 3:00 PM, Pete wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ

> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can't understand because you don't know what it is to be in
>> heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
>

> As always you speak without knowledge.

...said the pot to the kettle.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/14/2013 4:16 PM, Rod wrote:

[snippeth]

> It is one of the names He is called in the old testament. Yahweh,
> Elohim, Adonia, they are all names given God. They are also
> Canaanite names for gods, an entire pantheon of them. The Hebrews
> adopted the Cannanite gods names and worshipped God under those
> names.

Babylonian bullshit.

> Let me leave you with a few facts that I learned of: there have been
> far to many unexplained things happen for God to NOT exist. 2 Christ
> was seen in India and kashmir and had a ministry in those countries

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

These bullshit theories have been promoted by eclectic religionists
(i.e. "Babylonians") in the last two centuries by fools looking for ways
to meld their heathen religions with Jesus and His Gospel, never mind
that Jesus rejected such heresies. These silly fringe theories don't
even stand the scrutiny of scripture, as Jesus was KNOWN by the people
He grew up around in Nazareth, Capernaum, etc, etc.

Ike

[Ike]

Oh, that's exactly what you've chosen, Babylonian.

You can be a Christian, or you can be something else, but you CANNOT BE
BOTH, fool.

And THAT'S the driving force behind your heathen bullshit.

Ike

[Rod]

On 5/21/2013 7:15 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/20/2013 6:58 AM, Rod wrote:
>> On 5/19/2013 12:00 PM, Ike wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2013 11:41 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>
>>> [snippeth]
>>>
>>>> What you believe is your choice, no one is obligated to share it,
>>>> in spite of what Ike thinks.
>>>
>>>
>>> You're right--you can choose to go to hell, which you have, and you're
>>> welcome to it.
>>>
>>> Ike
>>
>> I have chosen no such thing.
>
> Oh, that's exactly what you've chosen, Babylonian.
>
> You can be a Christian, or you can be something else, but you CANNOT BE
> BOTH, fool.

The only person who thinks that I am is you, yet you can't even tell
me what heathen religion it is that you claim I am following ! Only a
fool would make such a claim, FOOL...

>
> And THAT'S the driving force behind your heathen bullshit.

There is no reasoning behind any of the things that you have said
here, none.

I can say that my filters have failed to keep out your troll garbage,
so I'll ask you nicely not to post to me. I have no interest in what
you have to say. This should be clear enough even that you can
understand it. I will of course continue to adjust my filters
until I see you no longer...but I thought it fair to tell you and not
just to turn my back to you.




>
> Ike
>

[Rod]

On 5/21/2013 7:12 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/14/2013 4:16 PM, Rod wrote:
>
> [snippeth]
>
>> It is one of the names He is called in the old testament. Yahweh,
>> Elohim, Adonia, they are all names given God. They are also
>> Canaanite names for gods, an entire pantheon of them. The Hebrews
>> adopted the Cannanite gods names and worshipped God under those
>> names.
>
> Babylonian bullshit.

Fact. Your inability to cope with truth is noted.

>
>> Let me leave you with a few facts that I learned of: there have been
>> far to many unexplained things happen for God to NOT exist. 2 Christ
>> was seen in India and kashmir and had a ministry in those countries
>
> LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>
> These bullshit theories have been promoted by eclectic religionists
> (i.e. "Babylonians") in the last two centuries by fools looking for ways
> to meld their heathen religions with Jesus and His Gospel,

and once more I challenge YOU to name the heathen religion that I am
trying to meld with Christianity! Please, at least prove one thing
you have said as truthful!

Of course I won't see your response...but others will most likely
and some may even let me know about it.

> never mind
> that Jesus rejected such heresies. These silly fringe theories don't
> even stand the scrutiny of scripture, as Jesus was KNOWN by the people
> He grew up around in Nazareth, Capernaum, etc, etc.

Who have been dead for several thousand years and cannot speak for
themselves, adding to that the fact that ANYONE can edit scripture
for any reason. it wouldn't be beyond the scope of human nature to edit
scripture to use it to gain power and wealth, and history bears this
fact out.


Now...good bye and hopefully good riddance to you..



>
> Ike
>

[Ike]

On 5/21/2013 12:53 PM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 7:15 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/20/2013 6:58 AM, Rod wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2013 12:00 PM, Ike wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2013 11:41 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snippeth]
>>>>
>>>>> What you believe is your choice, no one is obligated to share it,
>>>>> in spite of what Ike thinks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're right--you can choose to go to hell, which you have, and you're
>>>> welcome to it.
>>>>
>>>> Ike
>>>
>>> I have chosen no such thing.
>>
>> Oh, that's exactly what you've chosen, Babylonian.
>>
>> You can be a Christian, or you can be something else, but you CANNOT BE
>> BOTH, fool.
>
> The only person who thinks that I am is you, yet you can't even tell
> me what heathen religion it is that you claim I am following ! Only a
> fool would make such a claim, FOOL...

...says the Babylonian who thinks he can be a Christian and a heathen at
the same time.

>> And THAT'S the driving force behind your heathen bullshit.
>
> There is no reasoning behind any of the things that you have said
> here, none.

Oh, yes there is, and it's showing up more and more every time you post.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/21/2013 1:02 PM, Rod wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 7:12 AM, Ike wrote:
>> On 5/14/2013 4:16 PM, Rod wrote:
>>
>> [snippeth]
>>
>>> It is one of the names He is called in the old testament. Yahweh,
>>> Elohim, Adonia, they are all names given God. They are also
>>> Canaanite names for gods, an entire pantheon of them. The Hebrews
>>> adopted the Cannanite gods names and worshipped God under those
>>> names.
>>
>> Babylonian bullshit.
>
>
> Fact. Your inability to cope with truth is noted.

LOL

You whoredoms are becoming all the more apparent, Babylonian.

>>> Let me leave you with a few facts that I learned of: there have been
>>> far to many unexplained things happen for God to NOT exist. 2 Christ
>>> was seen in India and kashmir and had a ministry in those countries
>>
>> LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>>
>> These bullshit theories have been promoted by eclectic religionists
>> (i.e. "Babylonians") in the last two centuries by fools looking for ways
>> to meld their heathen religions with Jesus and His Gospel,
>
> and once more I challenge YOU to name the heathen religion that I am
> trying to meld with Christianity!

I don't have to--it falls under the generic heading of "Babylon," that
is, eclectic religion, i.e. attempts to syncretize the Gospel of Jesus
Christ, which is EXCLUSIVE, with the heathen religions of men.

[snip the feigned indignation]

>> never mind
>> that Jesus rejected such heresies. These silly fringe theories don't
>> even stand the scrutiny of scripture, as Jesus was KNOWN by the people
>> He grew up around in Nazareth, Capernaum, etc, etc.
>
> Who have been dead for several thousand years and cannot speak for
> themselves, adding to that the fact that ANYONE can edit scripture
> for any reason.

Rhetorical bullshit.

The people who wrote knew Him or knew of Him.

Than you latter-day cult assholes come along and try to concoct
ridiculous theories to try and get around the EXCLUSIVITY of the Gospel,
as Jesus is THE Way, THE Truth, and THEY life, and NO MAN comes unto the
Father except by Him.

> it wouldn't be beyond the scope of human nature to edit
> scripture to use it to gain power and wealth, and history bears this
> fact out.

Rhetorical bullshit spewed in an attempt to get around the fact that
there is NO other name under heaven by which men can be saved.

Ike

[Rod]

On 5/23/2013 2:43 AM, Ike wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 1:02 PM, Rod wrote:
>> On 5/21/2013 7:12 AM, Ike wrote:
>>> On 5/14/2013 4:16 PM, Rod wrote:
>>>
>>> [snippeth]
>>>
>>>> It is one of the names He is called in the old testament. Yahweh,
>>>> Elohim, Adonia, they are all names given God. They are also
>>>> Canaanite names for gods, an entire pantheon of them. The Hebrews
>>>> adopted the Cannanite gods names and worshipped God under those
>>>> names.
>>>
>>> Babylonian bullshit.
>>
>>
>> Fact. Your inability to cope with truth is noted.
>
> LOL
>
> You whoredoms are becoming all the more apparent, Babylonian.
>
>
>>>> Let me leave you with a few facts that I learned of: there have
>>>> been
>>>> far to many unexplained things happen for God to NOT exist. 2
>>>> Christ
>>>> was seen in India and kashmir and had a ministry in those countries
>>>
>>> LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>>>
>>> These bullshit theories have been promoted by eclectic religionists
>>> (i.e. "Babylonians") in the last two centuries by fools looking for ways
>>> to meld their heathen religions with Jesus and His Gospel,

Yeah, I can see the buddhists busting ass trying to meld
with a religion they think is foolsih.

You are such liar. More BS from the master BS'er Ike.

>>
>> and once more I challenge YOU to name the heathen religion that I am
>> trying to meld with Christianity!
>
> I don't have to--

Your main answer and excuse to keep on lying. You are pathetic.


Goodbye.

[Rod]

On 5/19/2013 11:58 PM, Up from the Abyss wrote:
> "Rod" wrote:
>> MattB wrote:
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> MattB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple to expose false teachers and defend those
>>>>> lurkers. People must be told he is false.
>>>>
>>>> False by who's understanding ? Are you so certain
>>>> of your own knowledge of scripture that can say that
>>>> you know all that scripture is teaching ?
>
> Rod, Michael is false.

I'm not going to say either way because of what Christ
said about treating others as you want to be treated, so
in spite of what Christians do I am going to treat him
as the human being he is.

I have tried this with Ike...but nothing works on him
and it is obvious why.

>
> As for everyone around here thinking they have some
> "duty" to expose them consistently. Well, I think if
> they simply left them alone, and did not respond, it
> would have the greater impact.

I agree.

> Besides, anyone
> with half a brain, will see that Michael is false by
> his own words.

I have nothing to say on this. I have no wish to risk
wrath of judgment. I'm not so secure in judgment that
I see myself as infallible...more imperfect.

I'll give them all the benefit of the doubt, it isn't any more
than I would want for myself.



He exposes himself daily.


He bothers me not, but congress bothers me much...talk about FALSE !

[Rod]

Take your paranoia, your desire to have a reason to kill those
you don't approve of and seek a shrink, Ike. You have no proof
of anything you say...you believe that your opinions are sufficient
when they lack substance.

I can see why you aren't allowed to teach...psychosis, paranoia
and Marine Corp training...a deathly combination. Who knows when
you'll crack and start injuring or killing your imaginary enemies ?

Only you.

Goodbye Ike.

[Up from the Abyss]

"Rod" wrote:
> Up from the Abyss wrote:
> >
> > Rod, Michael is false.
>
> I'm not going to say either way because of what Christ
> said about treating others as you want to be treated, so
> in spite of what Christians do I am going to treat him
> as the human being he is.

I understand.

<snip>

> > Besides, anyone with half a brain, will see that Michael
> > is false by his own words.
>
> I have nothing to say on this. I have no wish to risk
> wrath of judgment. I'm not so secure in judgment that
> I see myself as infallible...more imperfect.
>
> I'll give them all the benefit of the doubt, it isn't any more
> than I would want for myself.

Understood.

<snip>

[Ike]

I have no paranoia.

> your desire to have a reason to kill those
> you don't approve of and seek a shrink, Ike.

I have no desire to kill anyone.

> You have no proof
> of anything you say..

I have all proof of what I say; you just don't want to hear it because
it screws up your private "Babylonian" agenda.

> .you believe that your opinions are sufficient
> when they lack substance.

LOL

I there is one thing my "opinions" don't lack, its substance.

> I can see why you aren't allowed to teach...

???

Who said I'm not allowed to teach?

> psychosis,

I have no psychosis.

> paranoia

I have no paranoia.

> and Marine Corp training...

You aren't dog enough to lick the boots of a US Marine, bitch.

> a deathly combination.

That's funny, 'cause military service worked great for King David.

Guess Paul shouldn't have used "the armor of God" as a metaphor.

> Who knows when
> you'll crack and start injuring or killing your imaginary enemies ?

The only one cracking up here is you, lying lunatic.

Ike

[Ike]

http://buddhist-christian.blogspot.com/

http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/08/christian-buddhism/

http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/08/christian-buddhism/

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2010/03/Lessons-Christians-Can-Learn-From-Zen.aspx

http://www.buddhist-christian.org/

Can you ever stop making a fool of yourself?

There are "Babylonians" trying to meld Christianity with Buddhism all
the time.


> You are such liar.

I've told no lies, asshole.

>>> and once more I challenge YOU to name the heathen religion that I am
>>> trying to meld with Christianity!
>>
>> I don't have to--

It's already self-evident.

Ike

[Rod]

So there are some that I am unaware of..you don't do this simly to
make a point, you enjoy offending others and do it regularly.

>
> There are "Babylonians" trying to meld Christianity with Buddhism all
> the time.

Look...I'm trying to make you understand...I don't care what happens
to Christianity or any religion in the end, I really don't. I am not a
Christian, a muslim, a follower of judaism or a follower of any religion
at all! I have a set of rules that I follow that enables me
to live in peace with all but the most violent and deluded people on
planet. And my people feel likewise as they live by these rules also.

I'm going to make this as simple and direct for you as I know how,
we live in peace, we don't bother anyone and only a few still bother
us. For the most part we are happy. We do not want your religion, your
God, your help, your fellowship, your lands, your women or anything
belonging to you.

Leave us alone, we will leave you alone. I will end posting in
Christian groups, reading in Christian groups, and you will never hear
from me again. The only reason you are hearing from me now is to make
these things clear to you. If you accept simply say so by NOT replying,
and I will be gone.




--
Death is preferable to tyranny..

[Rod]

If you say so...

>
>> paranoia
>
> I have no paranoia.

If you say so...

>
>> and Marine Corp training...
>
> You aren't dog enough to lick the boots of a US Marine, bitch.

I've never met a true marine that had such a chip on his shoulder
that he felt the need to bully and intimidate as you do. You must of
have gotten the shit kicked out of you by other marines in the corp.

Perhaps you tried bullying the wrong people and found out the hard way
that you aren't up to running with the big dogs. This only happens to
the very worst of us. You should probably look at that seriously
instead of avoiding it.

But you won't. I imagine that one day I'll be reading an online paper
and find your name in the obituary. You will be your own undoing, sadly.

>
>> a deathly combination.
>
> That's funny, 'cause military service worked great for King David.
>
> Guess Paul shouldn't have used "the armor of God" as a metaphor.

And I care because ?

>
>> Who knows when
>> you'll crack and start injuring or killing your imaginary enemies ?
>
> The only one cracking up here is you, lying lunatic.
>

No, actually I'm just relaying to you the impressions that your
agressive words are leaving. You are actually not a threat until you
do something very stupid, but until then you are simply a bag of wind.

I won't be replying after this ike, so speak your bluster and be done
with it. I am gone.

[duke]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:58:35 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:


> Look...I'm trying to make you understand...I don't care what happens
>to Christianity or any religion in the end, I really don't. I am not a
>Christian, a muslim, a follower of judaism or a follower of any religion
>at all! I have a set of rules that I follow that enables me
>to live in peace with all but the most violent and deluded people on
>planet. And my people feel likewise as they live by these rules also.

But why? You just got thru admitting that you are a very close follower of the
ways of the Jesus of the bible. If your life standards match up so closely to
his, why not hang in there?


The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
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[Rod]

On 6/13/2013 11:32 AM, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:58:35 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Look...I'm trying to make you understand...I don't care what happens
>> to Christianity or any religion in the end, I really don't. I am not a
>> Christian, a muslim, a follower of judaism or a follower of any religion
>> at all! I have a set of rules that I follow that enables me
>> to live in peace with all but the most violent and deluded people on
>> planet. And my people feel likewise as they live by these rules also.
>
> But why? You just got thru admitting that you are a very close follower of the
> ways of the Jesus of the bible.

I do. I don't believe that modern Christianity does. I don't see
love in it and I don't want it.

If your life standards match up so closely to
> his, why not hang in there?

I will hang onto them, I promise.

>
>
> The dukester, American - American
>
> ********************************************
> Repeal Obama
> You simply can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************

--
Death is preferable to tyranny..even in death
freedom is found..

[Rod]

On 6/13/2013 11:32 AM, duke wrote:

Goodbye Duke, Mordecia...

--

[duke]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:41:43 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/13/2013 11:32 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:58:35 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Look...I'm trying to make you understand...I don't care what happens
>>> to Christianity or any religion in the end, I really don't. I am not a
>>> Christian, a muslim, a follower of judaism or a follower of any religion
>>> at all! I have a set of rules that I follow that enables me
>>> to live in peace with all but the most violent and deluded people on
>>> planet. And my people feel likewise as they live by these rules also.
>>
>> But why? You just got thru admitting that you are a very close follower of the
>> ways of the Jesus of the bible.
>
> I do. I don't believe that modern Christianity does. I don't see
>love in it and I don't want it.

God gave man 10 commandments to live by as a standard. The average sheepherder
needed help to comprehend as any one commandment qualifies from many different
types of events. So the Levi priests came up with 639 man made laws to use to
measure one's success in keeping the 10 commandments.

Jesus came along and gave an a new way to evaluate our compliance with the 10
commandments - a) love and obey God with all your heart, mind and body, and b)
love your neighbor has yourself.

I can understand your confusion on this, but not your adamant stance that this
is not the case in truth.

> If your life standards match up so closely to
>> his, why not hang in there?
> I will hang onto them, I promise.

Good. Thank Jesus for what he gave us.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************

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Five major US scandals and still going strong:
a)Fast/Furious,b)IRS,c)NSA d)News Phone Records,
e)Selective enforcement of environmental laws
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[Ike]

I don't have to "say so;" you have to prove otherwise, which you can't;
so instead you keep hurling your satanic false accusations, because you
can't back your lies up with facts.

>>> paranoia
>>
>> I have no paranoia.
>
> If you say so...

I don't have to "say so;" you have to prove otherwise, which you can't;
so instead you keep hurling your satanic false accusations, because you
can't back your lies up with facts.

>>> and Marine Corp training...
>>
>> You aren't dog enough to lick the boots of a US Marine, bitch.
>

> I've never met a true marine...

You don't know shit about the Marines, so don't even pretend that you
do, bitch.

>>> a deathly combination.
>>
>> That's funny, 'cause military service worked great for King David.
>>
>> Guess Paul shouldn't have used "the armor of God" as a metaphor.
>
> And I care because ?

And the point goes right over the moron's head.

Among David's triune attributes, he was a MILITARY MAN, just like Jesus.

Paul used the "armor of God" metaphor because God is a MILITARY man,
i.e. "the Lord is A MAN OF WAR; the LORD is His Name."

Jesus praised the centurion as having the greatest faith of all because
HE IS A MILITARY MAN.

See, the problem here isn't that I'm a military man; IT'S THAT YOU'RE A
PUSSY, LOSER.

>>> Who knows when
>>> you'll crack and start injuring or killing your imaginary enemies ?
>>
>> The only one cracking up here is you, lying lunatic.
>>
>

> No...

Yes.

Ike

[Ike]

Moron, you aren't "aware" of anything that's going on around you.

> you don't do this simly to
> make a point, you enjoy offending others and do it regularly.

Notice how sissy here diverts to gripping, whining, crying, bitching,
moaning, and complaining about her "treatment" every time she gets her
ass kicked on points.

>> There are "Babylonians" trying to meld Christianity with Buddhism all
>> the time.
>
>
> Look...I'm trying to make you understand

Asshole, to make anyone else "understand," you have to know what you're
talking about first, and you don't have a clue, heathen.

> ...I don't care what happens
> to Christianity or any religion in the end,

That's because you're a clueless moron who doesn't know the difference
between the Israel-Christian complex of God and the Assyro-Babylonian
complex of Satan, and how the two are pitted against each other.

> I am not a
> Christian, a muslim, a follower of judaism or a follower of any religion
> at all! I have a set of rules that I follow that enables me
> to live in peace with all but the most violent and deluded people on
> planet.

Like I said, "whore of Babylon."

> And my people feel likewise as they live by these rules also.

Fellow Babylonians.

> I'm going to make this as simple and direct for you as I know how,
> we live in peace,

No, you don't.

You live in death.

You're just too stupid to know the difference.

> we don't bother anyone and only a few still bother
> us. For the most part we are happy. We do not want your religion, your
> God, your help, your fellowship, your lands, your women or anything
> belonging to you.

I (or, rather, "we") OWN EVERYTHING YOU SEE, and you don't have any
right to it. In fact, in the end, you'll find out that you don't even
have a right to be here, or to even exist.

> Leave us alone, we will leave you alone.

Nope.

The war won't be over until you repent and get with the program, or
cease to exist.

> I will end posting in
> Christian groups, reading in Christian groups, and you will never hear
> from me again.

You never should have been here in the first place, which is what I said
from the very beginning.

> The only reason you are hearing from me now is to make
> these things clear to you.

Asshole, the blind can't make anything "clear" to anyone.

> If you accept simply say so by NOT replying,
> and I will be gone.

You have no idea how "gone" you're going to be in the end.

Ike

[duke]

On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 06:50:18 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Among David's triune attributes, he was a MILITARY MAN, just like Jesus.
>Paul used the "armor of God" metaphor because God is a MILITARY man,
>i.e. "the Lord is A MAN OF WAR; the LORD is His Name."

No, idiot ike. The OT Jews were expecting a warrior king to deliver them back
to the prosperity they had before the Babylonian exile. Hence, a "messiah", or
warrior king, was due.

Surprise, a man of love, and ONLY LOVE, showed up

>Jesus praised the centurion as having the greatest faith of all because
>HE IS A MILITARY MAN.
>See, the problem here isn't that I'm a military man; IT'S THAT YOU'RE A
>PUSSY, LOSER.

Rod has a superior understanding to what you offer.

[idlehands]

Unless Duke thinks you are a "queer" and then all Jesus' teachings go
out the window.

Because he thinks God allows him to oppress others in his name

No wonder people are confused about Christianity