The real definition of backsliding.

[Michael Christ]

Backsliding = Whoredom.

Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?





Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> > Backsliding = Whoredom.

> > Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?

Pete tried to be wise, and wrote:
> Whoredom

That's right...

Whoredom = backsliding.

What did you think in your theology, that backsliding is obedience?

Pete, backsliding is not obedience.





Michael Christ

[duke]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:51:13 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
>Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?

Well, Jesus Christ the man gave us Christianity. What's your choice?

The dukester, American - American

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Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God
Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758)
Enfield, Connecticut
July 8, 1741

Their foot shall slide in due time. Deuteronomy 32:35

In this verse is threatened the vengeance of God on the wicked
unbelieving Israelites, who were God's visible people, and who lived
under the means of grace; but who, notwithstanding all God's wonderful
works towards them, remained (as vers 28.) void of counsel, having no
understanding in them. Under all the cultivations of heaven, they
brought forth bitter and poisonous fruit; as in the two verses next
preceding the text. -- The expression I have chosen for my text, their
foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following things,
relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked
Israelites were exposed.

That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands
or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. This is implied
in the manner of their destruction coming upon them, being represented
by their foot sliding. The same is expressed, Psalm 73:18. "Surely
thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into
destruction."

It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected
destruction. As he that walks in slippery places is every moment
liable to fall, he cannot foresee one moment whether he shall stand or
fall the next; and when he does fall, he falls at once without
warning: Which is also expressed in Psalm 73:18,19. "Surely thou didst
set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction:
How are they brought into desolation as in a moment!"

Another thing implied is, that they are liable to fall of
themselves, without being thrown down by the hand of another; as he
that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own
weight to throw him down.

That the reason why they are not fallen already and do not fall
now is only that God's appointed time is not come. For it is said,
that when that due time, or appointed time comes, their foot shall
slide. Then they shall be left to fall, as they are inclined by their
own weight. God will not hold them up in these slippery places any
longer, but will let them go; and then, at that very instant, they
shall fall into destruction; as he that stands on such slippery
declining ground, on the edge of a pit, he cannot stand alone, when he
is let go he immediately falls and is lost.

The observation from the words that I would now insist upon is this.
-- "There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of
hell, but the mere pleasure of God." -- By the mere pleasure of God, I
mean his sovereign pleasure, his arbitrary will, restrained by no
obligation, hindered by no manner of difficulty, any more than if
nothing else but God's mere will had in the least degree, or in any
respect whatsoever, any hand in the preservation of wicked men one
moment. -- The truth of this observation may appear by the following
consideration.

There is no want of power in God to cast wicked men into hell at
any moment. Men's hands cannot be strong when God rises up. The
strongest have no power to resist him, nor can any deliver out of his
hands. -- He is not only able to cast wicked men into hell, but he can
most easily do it. Sometimes an earthly prince meets with a great deal
of difficulty to subdue a rebel, who has found means to fortify
himself, and has made himself strong by the numbers of his followers.
But it is not so with God. There is no fortress that is any defence
from the power of God. Though hand join in hand, and vast multitudes
of God's enemies combine and associate themselves, they are easily
broken in pieces. They are as great heaps of light chaff before the
whirlwind; or large quantities of dry stubble before devouring flames.
We find it easy to tread on and crush a worm that we see crawling on
the earth; so it is easy for us to cut or singe a slender thread that
any thing hangs by: thus easy is it for God, when he pleases, to cast
his enemies down to hell. What are we, that we should think to stand
before him, at whose rebuke the earth trembles, and before whom the
rocks are thrown down?

They deserve to be cast into hell; so that divine justice never
stands in the way, it makes no objection against God's using his power
at any moment to destroy them. Yea, on the contrary, justice calls
aloud for an infinite punishment of their sins. Divine justice says of
the tree that brings forth such grapes of Sodom, "Cut it down, why
cumbereth it the ground?" Luke 13:7. The sword of divine justice is
every moment brandished over their heads, and it is nothing but the
hand of arbitrary mercy, and God's mere will, that holds it back.

They are already under a sentence of condemnation to hell. They do
not only justly deserve to be cast down thither, but the sentence of
the law of God, that eternal and immutable rule of righteousness that
God has fixed between him and mankind, is gone out against them, and
stands against them; so that they are bound over already to hell. John
3:18. "He that believeth not is condemned already." So that every
unconverted man properly belongs to hell; that is his place; from
thence he is, John 8:23. "Ye are from beneath:" And thither he is
bound; it is the place that justice, and God's word, and the sentence
of his unchangeable law assign to him.

They are now the objects of that very same anger and wrath of God,
that is expressed in the torments of hell. And the reason why they do
not go down to hell at each moment, is not because God, in whose power
they are, is not then very angry with them; as he is with many
miserable creatures now tormented in hell, who there feel and bear the
fierceness of his wrath. Yea, God is a great deal more angry with
great numbers that are now on earth: yea, doubtless, with many that
are now in this congregation, who it may be are at ease, than he is
with many of those who are now in the flames of hell.

So that it is not because God is unmindful of their wickedness,
and does not resent it, that he does not let loose his hand and cut
them off. God is not altogether such an one as themselves, though they
may imagine him to be so. The wrath of God burns against them, their
damnation does not slumber; the pit is prepared, the fire is made
ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to receive them; the flames do
now rage and glow. The glittering sword is whet, and held over them,
and the pit hath opened its mouth under them.

The devil stands ready to fall upon them, and seize them as his
own, at what moment God shall permit him. They belong to him; he has
their souls in his possession, and under his dominion. The scripture
represents them as his goods, Luke 11:12. The devils watch them; they
are ever by them at their right hand; they stand waiting for them,
like greedy hungry lions that see their prey, and expect to have it,
but are for the present kept back. If God should withdraw his hand, by
which they are restrained, they would in one moment fly upon their
poor souls. The old serpent is gaping for them; hell opens its mouth
wide to receive them; and if God should permit it, they would be
hastily swallowed up and lost.

There are in the souls of wicked men those hellish principles
reigning, that would presently kindle and flame out into hell fire, if
it were not for God's restraints. There is laid in the very nature of
carnal men, a foundation for the torments of hell. There are those
corrupt principles, in reigning power in them, and in full possession
of them, that are seeds of hell fire. These principles are active and
powerful, exceeding violent in their nature, and if it were not for
the restraining hand of God upon them, they would soon break out, they
would flame out after the same manner as the same corruptions, the
same enmity does in the hearts of damned souls, and would beget the
same torments as they do in them. The souls of the wicked are in
scripture compared to the troubled sea, Isa. 57:20. For the present,
God restrains their wickedness by his mighty power, as he does the
raging waves of the troubled sea, saying, "Hitherto shalt thou come,
but no further;" but if God should withdraw that restraining power, it
would soon carry all before it. Sin is the ruin and misery of the
soul; it is destructive in its nature; and if God should leave it
without restraint, there would need nothing else to make the soul
perfectly miserable. The corruption of the heart of man is immoderate
and boundless in its fury; and while wicked men live here, it is like
fire pent up by God's restraints, whereas if it were let loose, it
would set on fire the course of nature; and as the heart is now a sink
of sin, so if sin was not restrained, it would immediately turn the
soul into fiery oven, or a furnace of fire and brimstone.

It is no security to wicked men for one moment, that there are no
visible means of death at hand. It is no security to a natural man,
that he is now in health, and that he does not see which way he should
now immediately go out of the world by any accident, and that there is
no visible danger in any respect in his circumstances. The manifold
and continual experience of the world in all ages, shows this is no
evidence, that a man is not on the very brink of eternity, and that
the next step will not be into another world. The unseen, unthought-of
ways and means of persons going suddenly out of the world are
innumerable and inconceivable. Unconverted men walk over the pit of
hell on a rotten covering, and there are innumerable places in this
covering so weak that they will not bear their weight, and these
places are not seen. The arrows of death fly unseen at noon-day; the
sharpest sight cannot discern them. God has so many different
unsearchable ways of taking wicked men out of the world and sending
them to hell, that there is nothing to make it appear, that God had
need to be at the expense of a miracle, or go out of the ordinary
course of his providence, to destroy any wicked man, at any moment.
All the means that there are of sinners going out of the world, are so
in God's hands, and so universally and absolutely subject to his power
and determination, that it does not depend at all the less on the mere
will of God, whether sinners shall at any moment go to hell, than if
means were never made use of, or at all concerned in the case.

Natural men's prudence and care to preserve their own lives, or
the care of others to preserve them, do not secure them a moment. To
this, divine providence and universal experience do also bear
testimony. There is this clear evidence that men's own wisdom is no
security to them from death; that if it were otherwise we should see
some difference between the wise and politic men of the world, and
others, with regard to their liableness to early and unexpected death:
but how is it in fact? Eccles. 2:16. "How dieth the wise man? even as
the fool."

All wicked men's pains and contrivance which they use to escape
hell, while they continue to reject Christ, and so remain wicked men,
do not secure them from hell one moment. Almost every natural man that
hears of hell, flatters himself that he shall escape it; he depends
upon himself for his own security; he flatters himself in what he has
done, in what he is now doing, or what he intends to do. Every one
lays out matters in his own mind how he shall avoid damnation, and
flatters himself that he contrives well for himself, and that his
schemes will not fail. They hear indeed that there are but few saved,
and that the greater part of men that have died heretofore are gone to
hell; but each one imagines that he lays out matters better for his
own escape than others have done. He does not intend to come to that
place of torment; he says within himself, that he intends to take
effectual care, and to order matters so for himself as not to fail.

But the foolish children of men miserably delude themselves in
their own schemes, and in confidence in their own strength and wisdom;
they trust to nothing but a shadow. The greater part of those who
heretofore have lived under the same means of grace, and are now dead,
are undoubtedly gone to hell; and it was not because they were not as
wise as those who are now alive: it was not because they did not lay
out matters as well for themselves to secure their own escape. If we
could speak with them, and inquire of them, one by one, whether they
expected, when alive, and when they used to hear about hell, ever to
be the subjects of misery: we doubtless, should hear one and another
reply, "No, I never intended to come here: I had laid out matters
otherwise in my mind; I thought I should contrive well for myself -- I
thought my scheme good. I intended to take effectual care; but it came
upon me unexpected; I did not look for it at that time, and in that
manner; it came as a thief -- Death outwitted me: God's wrath was too
quick for me. Oh, my cursed foolishness! I was flattering myself, and
pleasing myself with vain dreams of what I would do hereafter; and
when I was saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction came upon
me."

God has laid himself under no obligation, by any promise to keep
any natural man out of hell one moment. God certainly has made no
promises either of eternal life, or of any deliverance or preservation
from eternal death, but what are contained in the covenant of grace,
the promises that are given in Christ, in whom all the promises are
yea and amen. But surely they have no interest in the promises of the
covenant of grace who are not the children of the covenant, who do not
believe in any of the promises, and have no interest in the Mediator
of the covenant.

So that, whatever some have imagined and pretended about promises made
to natural men's earnest seeking and knocking, it is plain and
manifest, that whatever pains a natural man takes in religion,
whatever prayers he makes, till he believes in Christ, God is under no
manner of obligation to keep him a moment from eternal destruction.

So that, thus it is that natural men are held in the hand of God, over
the pit of hell; they have deserved the fiery pit, and are already
sentenced to it; and God is dreadfully provoked, his anger is as great
towards them as to those that are actually suffering the executions of
the fierceness of his wrath in hell, and they have done nothing in the
least to appease or abate that anger, neither is God in the least
bound by any promise to hold them up one moment; the devil is waiting
for them, hell is gaping for them, the flames gather and flash about
them, and would fain lay hold on them, and swallow them up; the fire
pent up in their own hearts is struggling to break out: and they have
no interest in any Mediator, there are no means within reach that can
be any security to them. In short, they have no refuge, nothing to
take hold of; all that preserves them every moment is the mere
arbitrary will, and uncovenanted, unobliged forbearance of an incensed
God.
Application

The use of this awful subject may be for awakening unconverted persons
in this congregation. This that you have heard is the case of every
one of you that are out of Christ. -- That world of misery, that lake
of burning brimstone, is extended abroad under you. There is the
dreadful pit of the glowing flames of the wrath of God; there is
hell's wide gaping mouth open; and you have nothing to stand upon, nor
any thing to take hold of; there is nothing between you and hell but
the air; it is only the power and mere pleasure of God that holds you
up.

You probably are not sensible of this; you find you are kept out of
hell, but do not see the hand of God in it; but look at other things,
as the good state of your bodily constitution, your care of your own
life, and the means you use for your own preservation. But indeed
these things are nothing; if God should withdraw his hand, they would
avail no more to keep you from falling, than the thin air to hold up a
person that is suspended in it.

Your wickedness makes you as it were heavy as lead, and to tend
downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell; and if God
should let you go, you would immediately sink and swiftly descend and
plunge into the bottomless gulf, and your healthy constitution, and
your own care and prudence, and best contrivance, and all your
righteousness, would have no more influence to uphold you and keep you
out of hell, than a spider's web would have to stop a falling rock.
Were it not for the sovereign pleasure of God, the earth would not
bear you one moment; for you are a burden to it; the creation groans
with you; the creature is made subject to the bondage of your
corruption, not willingly; the sun does not willingly shine upon you
to give you light to serve sin and Satan; the earth does not willingly
yield her increase to satisfy your lusts; nor is it willingly a stage
for your wickedness to be acted upon; the air does not willingly serve
you for breath to maintain the flame of life in your vitals, while you
spend your life in the service of God's enemies. God's creatures are
good, and were made for men to serve God with, and do not willingly
subserve to any other purpose, and groan when they are abused to
purposes so directly contrary to their nature and end. And the world
would spew you out, were it not for the sovereign hand of him who hath
subjected it in hope. There are the black clouds of God's wrath now
hanging directly over your heads, full of the dreadful storm, and big
with thunder; and were it not for the restraining hand of God, it
would immediately burst forth upon you. The sovereign pleasure of God,
for the present, stays his rough wind; otherwise it would come with
fury, and your destruction would come like a whirlwind, and you would
be like the chaff on the summer threshing floor.

The wrath of God is like great waters that are dammed for the present;
they increase more and more, and rise higher and higher, till an
outlet is given; and the longer the stream is stopped, the more rapid
and mighty is its course, when once it is let loose. It is true, that
judgment against your evil works has not been executed hitherto; the
floods of God's vengeance have been withheld; but your guilt in the
mean time is constantly increasing, and you are every day treasuring
up more wrath; the waters are constantly rising, and waxing more and
more mighty; and there is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, that
holds the waters back, that are unwilling to be stopped, and press
hard to go forward. If God should only withdraw his hand from the
flood-gate, it would immediately fly open, and the fiery floods of the
fierceness and wrath of God, would rush forth with inconceivable fury,
and would come upon you with omnipotent power; and if your strength
were ten thousand times greater than it is, yea, ten thousand times
greater than the strength of the stoutest, sturdiest devil in hell, it
would be nothing to withstand or endure it.

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the
string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the
bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an
angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the
arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you
that never passed under a great change of heart, by the mighty power
of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born
again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a
state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are
in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life
in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up
a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of
God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being
this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However
unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by
you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in
the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for
destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected
nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they
see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety,
were nothing but thin air and empty shadows.

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a
spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is
dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks
upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he
is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten
thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful
venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more
than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but
his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is
to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last
night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you
closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given,
why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but
that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given
why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of
God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending
his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as
a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.

O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great
furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of
wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is
provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the
damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of
divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it,
and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and
nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the
flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done,
nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. -- And
consider here more particularly,

Whose wrath it is: it is the wrath of the infinite God. If it were
only the wrath of man, though it were of the most potent prince, it
would be comparatively little to be regarded. The wrath of kings is
very much dreaded, especially of absolute monarchs, who have the
possessions and lives of their subjects wholly in their power, to be
disposed of at their mere will. Prov. 20:2. "The fear of a king is as
the roaring of a lion: Whoso provoketh him to anger, sinneth against
his own soul." The subject that very much enrages an arbitrary prince,
is liable to suffer the most extreme torments that human art can
invent, or human power can inflict. But the greatest earthly
potentates in their greatest majesty and strength, and when clothed in
their greatest terrors, are but feeble, despicable worms of the dust,
in comparison of the great and almighty Creator and King of heaven and
earth. It is but little that they can do, when most enraged, and when
they have exerted the utmost of their fury. All the kings of the
earth, before God, are as grasshoppers; they are nothing, and less
than nothing: both their love and their hatred is to be despised. The
wrath of the great King of kings, is as much more terrible than
theirs, as his majesty is greater. Luke 12:4,5. "And I say unto you,
my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that,
have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom you shall
fear: fear him, which after he hath killed, hath power to cast into
hell: yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

It is the fierceness of his wrath that you are exposed to. We
often read of the fury of God; as in Isa. 59:18. "According to their
deeds, accordingly he will repay fury to his adversaries." So Isa.
66:15. "For behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his
chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his
rebuke with flames of fire." And in many other places. So, Rev. 19:15,
we read of "the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty
God." The words are exceeding terrible. If it had only been said, "the
wrath of God," the words would have implied that which is infinitely
dreadful: but it is "the fierceness and wrath of God." The fury of
God! the fierceness of Jehovah! Oh, how dreadful that must be! Who can
utter or conceive what such expressions carry in them! But it is also
"the fierceness and wrath of almighty God." As though there would be a
very great manifestation of his almighty power in what the fierceness
of his wrath should inflict, as though omnipotence should be as it
were enraged, and exerted, as men are wont to exert their strength in
the fierceness of their wrath. Oh! then, what will be the consequence!
What will become of the poor worms that shall suffer it! Whose hands
can be strong? And whose heart can endure? To what a dreadful,
inexpressible, inconceivable depth of misery must the poor creature be
sunk who shall be the subject of this!

Consider this, you that are here present, that yet remain in an
unregenerate state. That God will execute the fierceness of his anger,
implies, that he will inflict wrath without any pity. When God beholds
the ineffable extremity of your case, and sees your torment to be so
vastly disproportioned to your strength, and sees how your poor soul
is crushed, and sinks down, as it were, into an infinite gloom; he
will have no compassion upon you, he will not forbear the executions
of his wrath, or in the least lighten his hand; there shall be no
moderation or mercy, nor will God then at all stay his rough wind; he
will have no regard to your welfare, nor be at all careful lest you
should suffer too much in any other sense, than only that you shall
not suffer beyond what strict justice requires. Nothing shall be
withheld, because it is so hard for you to bear. Ezek. 8:18.
"Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither
will I have pity; and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice,
yet I will not hear them." Now God stands ready to pity you; this is a
day of mercy; you may cry now with some encouragement of obtaining
mercy. But when once the day of mercy is past, your most lamentable
and dolorous cries and shrieks will be in vain; you will be wholly
lost and thrown away of God, as to any regard to your welfare. God
will have no other use to put you to, but to suffer misery; you shall
be continued in being to no other end; for you will be a vessel of
wrath fitted to destruction; and there will be no other use of this
vessel, but to be filled full of wrath. God will be so far from
pitying you when you cry to him, that it is said he will only "laugh
and mock," Prov. 1:25,26, etc.

How awful are those words, Isa. 63:3, which are the words of the
great God. "I will tread them in mine anger, and will trample them in
my fury, and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I
will stain all my raiment." It is perhaps impossible to conceive of
words that carry in them greater manifestations of these three things,
viz. contempt, and hatred, and fierceness of indignation. If you cry
to God to pity you, he will be so far from pitying you in your doleful
case, or showing you the least regard or favour, that instead of that,
he will only tread you under foot. And though he will know that you
cannot bear the weight of omnipotence treading upon you, yet he will
not regard that, but he will crush you under his feet without mercy;
he will crush out your blood, and make it fly, and it shall be
sprinkled on his garments, so as to stain all his raiment. He will not
only hate you, but he will have you in the utmost contempt: no place
shall be thought fit for you, but under his feet to be trodden down as
the mire of the streets.

The misery you are exposed to is that which God will inflict to
that end, that he might show what that wrath of Jehovah is. God hath
had it on his heart to show to angels and men, both how excellent his
love is, and also how terrible his wrath is. Sometimes earthly kings
have a mind to show how terrible their wrath is, by the extreme
punishments they would execute on those that would provoke them.
Nebuchadnezzar, that mighty and haughty monarch of the Chaldean
empire, was willing to show his wrath when enraged with Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego; and accordingly gave orders that the burning
fiery furnace should be heated seven times hotter than it was before;
doubtless, it was raised to the utmost degree of fierceness that human
art could raise it. But the great God is also willing to show his
wrath, and magnify his awful majesty and mighty power in the extreme
sufferings of his enemies. Rom. 9:22. "What if God, willing to show
his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much long-
suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?" And seeing this
is his design, and what he has determined, even to show how terrible
the unrestrained wrath, the fury and fierceness of Jehovah is, he will
do it to effect. There will be something accomplished and brought to
pass that will be dreadful with a witness. When the great and angry
God hath risen up and executed his awful vengeance on the poor sinner,
and the wretch is actually suffering the infinite weight and power of
his indignation, then will God call upon the whole universe to behold
that awful majesty and mighty power that is to be seen in it. Isa.
33:12-14. "And the people shall be as the burnings of lime, as thorns
cut up shall they be burnt in the fire. Hear ye that are far off, what
I have done; and ye that are near, acknowledge my might. The sinners
in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites," etc.

Thus it will be with you that are in an unconverted state, if you
continue in it; the infinite might, and majesty, and terribleness of
the omnipotent God shall be magnified upon you, in the ineffable
strength of your torments. You shall be tormented in the presence of
the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb; and when you shall
be in this state of suffering, the glorious inhabitants of heaven
shall go forth and look on the awful spectacle, that they may see what
the wrath and fierceness of the Almighty is; and when they have seen
it, they will fall down and adore that great power and majesty. Isa.
66:23,24. "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to
another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth and look
upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me; for
their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and
they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

It is everlasting wrath. It would be dreadful to suffer this
fierceness and wrath of Almighty God one moment; but you must suffer
it to all eternity. There will be no end to this exquisite horrible
misery. When you look forward, you shall see a long for ever, a
boundless duration before you, which will swallow up your thoughts,
and amaze your soul; and you will absolutely despair of ever having
any deliverance, any end, any mitigation, any rest at all. You will
know certainly that you must wear out long ages, millions of millions
of ages, in wrestling and conflicting with this almighty merciless
vengeance; and then when you have so done, when so many ages have
actually been spent by you in this manner, you will know that all is
but a point to what remains. So that your punishment will indeed be
infinite. Oh, who can express what the state of a soul in such
circumstances is! All that we can possibly say about it, gives but a
very feeble, faint representation of it; it is inexpressible and
inconceivable: For "who knows the power of God's anger?"

How dreadful is the state of those that are daily and hourly in the
danger of this great wrath and infinite misery! But this is the dismal
case of every soul in this congregation that has not been born again,
however moral and strict, sober and religious, they may otherwise be.
Oh that you would consider it, whether you be young or old! There is
reason to think, that there are many in this congregation now hearing
this discourse, that will actually be the subjects of this very misery
to all eternity. We know not who they are, or in what seats they sit,
or what thoughts they now have. It may be they are now at ease, and
hear all these things without much disturbance, and are now flattering
themselves that they are not the persons, promising themselves that
they shall escape. If we knew that there was one person, and but one,
in the whole congregation, that was to be the subject of this misery,
what an awful thing would it be to think of! If we knew who it was,
what an awful sight would it be to see such a person! How might all
the rest of the congregation lift up a lamentable and bitter cry over
him! But, alas! instead of one, how many is it likely will remember
this discourse in hell? And it would be a wonder, if some that are now
present should not be in hell in a very short time, even before this
year is out. And it would be no wonder if some persons, that now sit
here, in some seats of this meeting-house, in health, quiet and
secure, should be there before tomorrow morning. Those of you that
finally continue in a natural condition, that shall keep out of hell
longest will be there in a little time! your damnation does not
slumber; it will come swiftly, and, in all probability, very suddenly
upon many of you. You have reason to wonder that you are not already
in hell. It is doubtless the case of some whom you have seen and
known, that never deserved hell more than you, and that heretofore
appeared as likely to have been now alive as you. Their case is past
all hope; they are crying in extreme misery and perfect despair; but
here you are in the land of the living and in the house of God, and
have an opportunity to obtain salvation. What would not those poor
damned hopeless souls give for one day's opportunity such as you now
enjoy!

And now you have an extraordinary opportunity, a day wherein Christ
has thrown the door of mercy wide open, and stands in calling and
crying with a loud voice to poor sinners; a day wherein many are
flocking to him, and pressing into the kingdom of God. Many are daily
coming from the east, west, north and south; many that were very
lately in the same miserable condition that you are in, are now in a
happy state, with their hearts filled with love to him who has loved
them, and washed them from their sins in his own blood, and rejoicing
in hope of the glory of God. How awful is it to be left behind at such
a day! To see so many others feasting, while you are pining and
perishing! To see so many rejoicing and singing for joy of heart,
while you have cause to mourn for sorrow of heart, and howl for
vexation of spirit! How can you rest one moment in such a condition?
Are not your souls as precious as the souls of the people at Suffield,
where they are flocking from day to day to Christ?

Are there not many here who have lived long in the world, and are not
to this day born again? and so are aliens from the commonwealth of
Israel, and have done nothing ever since they have lived, but treasure
up wrath against the day of wrath? Oh, sirs, your case, in an especial
manner, is extremely dangerous. Your guilt and hardness of heart is
extremely great. Do you not see how generality persons of your years
are passed over and left, in the present remarkable and wonderful
dispensation of God's mercy? You had need to consider yourselves, and
awake thoroughly out of sleep. You cannot bear the fierceness and
wrath of the infinite God. -- And you, young men, and young women,
will you neglect this precious season which you now enjoy, when so
many others of your age are renouncing all youthful vanities, and
flocking to Christ? You especially have now an extraordinary
opportunity; but if you neglect it, it will soon be with you as with
those persons who spent all the precious days of youth in sin, and are
now come to such a dreadful pass in blindness and hardness. -- And
you, children, who are unconverted, do not you know that you are going
down to hell, to bear the dreadful wrath of that God, who is now angry
with you every day and every night? Will you be content to be the
children of the devil, when so many other children in the land are
converted, and are become the holy and happy children of the King of
kings?

And let every one that is yet out of Christ, and hanging over the pit
of hell, whether they be old men and women, or middle aged, or young
people, or little children, now hearken to the loud calls of God's
word and providence. This acceptable year of the Lord, a day of such
great favour to some, will doubtless be a day of as remarkable
vengeance to others. Men's hearts harden, and their guilt increases
apace at such a day as this, if they neglect their souls; and never
was there so great danger of such persons being given up to hardness
of heart and blindness of mind. God seems now to be hastily gathering
in his elect in all parts of the land; and probably the greater part
of adult persons that ever shall be saved, will be brought in now in a
little time, and that it will be as it was on the great out-pouring of
the Spirit upon the Jews in the apostles' days; the election will
obtain, and the rest will be blinded. If this should be the case with
you, you will eternally curse this day, and will curse the day that
ever you was born, to see such a season of the pouring out of God's
Spirit, and will wish that you had died and gone to hell before you
had seen it. Now undoubtedly it is, as it was in the days of John the
Baptist, the axe is in an extraordinary manner laid at the root of the
trees, that every tree which brings not forth good fruit, may be hewn
down and cast into the fire.

Therefore, let every one that is out of Christ, now awake and fly from
the wrath to come. The wrath of Almighty God is now undoubtedly
hanging over a great part of this congregation. Let every one fly out
of Sodom: "Haste and escape for your lives, look not behind you,
escape to the mountain, lest you be consumed."

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/sermons.sinners.html

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> >Backsliding = Whoredom.

> >Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?

Duke wrote:
> Well, Jesus Christ the man gave us Christianity.  What's your choice?

How does that not make backsliding whoredom?

Jesus was more than a man, by the way, and He gave us more than a
religion. Well, to me anyway.




Michael Christ

[MattB .]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 23:51:13 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> >Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
> >Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?

MattB wrote:
> 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
> forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yes.

You will find though that your 'confession' is a little bit different
from His.

When you know this you will realise that 'backsliding' is a little
more than 'a little more than I would like'.

No bible quoting scammers make it, Bowl of Soup, dust and ashes, Buddy
boy; broken heart and contrite spirit.

Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
eye seeth thee.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.

Have a wonderful day and be well and may the god of amazing sweetness
give you a buttered bun with your cappuccino.




Michael Christ

[MattB .]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 14:06:29 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:
>> >Backsliding = Whoredom.
>>
>> >Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?
>
>MattB wrote:
>> 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
>> forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>
>Yes.
>
>You will find though that your 'confession' is a little bit different
>from His.

From whose?

>
>When you know this you will realise that 'backsliding' is a little
>more than 'a little more than I would like'.

You again use deceptive practices. The quote you use wasn't in
reference to "Backsliding"

>
>No bible quoting scammers make it, Bowl of Soup, dust and ashes, Buddy
>boy; broken heart and contrite spirit.

Yet I am not required to serve you. God is all to me. You are
false.

>
>Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
>eye seeth thee.
>Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

It is better in context

Job 42

Job’s Repentance and Restoration

42 Then Job answered the Lord and said:

2 “I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4 Listen, please, and let me speak;
You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’
5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

>
>Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.

You are false.

>
>Have a wonderful day and be well and may the god of amazing sweetness
>give you a buttered bun with your cappuccino.

You are really hate filled aren't you.

>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 12, 6:35 am, MattB . <trdell1...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 14:06:29 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>

Nope.

I just don't like spiritual whores who try to present themselves as
something else, especially at the expense of misrepresenting Jesus.

That is a love thing.





Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

(snip the Pete sleaze).

I am not interested in your false christianity Pete. You should know
that by now. Come on!

Here a bit of truth; it is not hard to see...

Whoredom = backsliding.

...try.

It ain't this, it ain't that, it is what it is.



Michael Christ

[MattB .]

So you are claiming the Bible is misrepresenting Jesus?

[Michael Christ]

On May 12, 12:29 pm, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 16:48:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ

Pete obfuscating as usual wrote:
> As you stated I and others follow a different God than the god you serve.

Yes, I know you regard the true God with a little 'g' because He is
not made in your image.

Pete actually making some sense this time, wrote:
> Therefore none of us can backslide according to your standards,
> nor your gods standards.

That's right because you remain in your sin.

Pete wrote:
>None of your teachings apply.

Sorry, I know you don't like it, but the truth does apply to you...

"Backsliding = Whoredom.

Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?"

Darkness has nowhere to hide in the light of truth, Sleazy bastard.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
>Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
>eye seeth thee.

>Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

>Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.

>Have a wonderful day and be well and may the god of amazing sweetness
>give you a buttered bun with your cappuccino.

MattB declaring he is the 'the loving one' wrote:
>You are really hate filled aren't you.

Michael Christ wrote:
>Nope.

>I just don't like spiritual whores who try to present themselves as
>something else, especially at the expense of misrepresenting Jesus.

MattB wrote:
>So you are claiming the Bible is misrepresenting Jesus?

You are not the bible, Matty poo, you are a whore!

'Be well'.




Michael Christ

[MattB .]

In what way?. Except for this voice in your head that calls names and
lies. Can you point to anything.

You can't pass the test in scripture for a teacher or prophet and yet
you think you are a teacher.

Can you show in scripture where it says we must agree with you?

[Michael Christ]

Learn what it means...

Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
eye seeth thee.

Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.

Backsliding = Whoredom.




Michael Christ

[duke]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 13:19:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:
>> >Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
>> >Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?
>
>Duke wrote:
>> Well, Jesus Christ the man gave us Christianity. �What's your choice?
>
>How does that not make backsliding whoredom?

It's your choice, not mine. You explain it.

[MattB .]

You didn't answer the questions

Here is the original post again

On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:55:07 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:

>>Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
>>eye seeth thee.
>
>>Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
>>Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.
>

>>Have a wonderful day and be well and may the god of amazing sweetness
>>give you a buttered bun with your cappuccino.
>
>
>MattB declaring he is the 'the loving one' wrote:
>>You are really hate filled aren't you.
>
>Michael Christ wrote:
>>Nope.
>
>>I just don't like spiritual whores who try to present themselves as
>>something else, especially at the expense of misrepresenting Jesus.
>
>
>MattB wrote:
>>So you are claiming the Bible is misrepresenting Jesus?
>
>You are not the bible, Matty poo, you are a whore!

In what way?. Except for this voice in your head that calls names and
lies. Can you point to anything.

You can't pass the test in scripture for a teacher or prophet and yet
you think you are a teacher.

Can you show in scripture where it says we must agree with you?



>
>'Be well'.
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

Now answer the questions if you can.

I personally don't think you can.

[MattB .]

Are you saying I need to take "seven bulls and seven rams and go to my
servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves."

Your voice thinks I'm a Jew?

Sorry I'm not.


>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 12, 11:33 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 13:19:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>

> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Michael Christ wrote:
> >> >Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
> >> >Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?
>
> >Duke wrote:
> >> Well, Jesus Christ the man gave us Christianity. What's your choice?
>
> >How does that not make backsliding whoredom?
>
> It's your choice, not mine.  You explain it.

A man walks into a confessional not because he is righteous but
because he is unrighteous.

Back sliding = whoredom.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Oh well, it must be right.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> >Learn what it means...
>
> >Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
> >eye seeth thee.
>
> >Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
>
> >Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.
>
> >Backsliding = Whoredom.

MattB wrote:
> Are you saying I need to take "seven bulls and seven rams and go to my
> servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves."
>
> Your voice thinks I'm a Jew?
>
> Sorry I'm not.

So MattB in his glory has nothing to learn from the Old Testament.

Wow, the only one I have ever meet.

God was obviously silly to leave it lying around!!!



Michael Christ

[MattB .]

A question is a question.

You are fearful
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

[MattB .]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:36:27 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:
>> >Learn what it means...
>>
>> >Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
>> >eye seeth thee.
>>
>> >Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
>>
>> >Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.
>>
>> >Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
>MattB wrote:
>> Are you saying I need to take "seven bulls and seven rams and go to my
>> servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves."
>>
>> Your voice thinks I'm a Jew?
>>
>> Sorry I'm not.
>
>So MattB in his glory has nothing to learn from the Old Testament.

Sorry how does this say I must agree with you? Explain.

[Michael Christ]

I told you, you say it so it must be true.

Sheesh!!



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> >> >Learn what it means...
>
> >> >Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
> >> >eye seeth thee.
>
> >> >Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
>
> >> >Real stuff, y'know, not your cheap shit religion.
>
> >> >Backsliding = Whoredom.


MattB wrote:
> >> Are you saying I need to take "seven bulls and seven rams and go to my
> >> servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves."
>
> >> Your voice thinks I'm a Jew?
>
> >> Sorry I'm not.

Michael Christ wrote:
> >So MattB in his glory has nothing to learn from the Old Testament.

MattB wrote:
> Sorry how does this say I must agree with you?   Explain.

It doesn't, you don't even have agree with Job either, you can just go
up and hug a mountain if you like.



Michael Christ

[MattB .]

I don't do burnt offering on the mountain. The Bible has many
lessons.

I don't agree you are a teacher your name calling and judgement say
you aren't


>
>
>
>Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

I am not meant to fit your mould. If you are right in your own eyes,
you have nothing to fear.

Good luck then with your 'avoiding self-righteousness'.


Michael Christ

[MattB .]

I don't fear you that is true.

>
>Good luck then with your 'avoiding self-righteousness'.

Giving ones self to God does not require believing you. Never has.




>
>
>Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

All this fluff and bullshit from you because of this...

"Backsliding = Whoredom.


Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?"

...the truth.

If you can't stand before that small thing how are you going to stand
before the God of All Truth?!

By the way, I'll pass on to the Lord that you don't approve of the
word 'bullshit'.



Michael Christ

[MattB .]

Yet not believing you isn't necessarily backsliding.

>
>If you can't stand before that small thing how are you going to stand
>before the God of All Truth?!

That will be up to God alone. You don't have any say.

>
>By the way, I'll pass on to the Lord that you don't approve of the
>word 'bullshit'.
>

Go ahead as I have used it in reference to you several times he knows
that is a lie.

You are BS all the way.


>
>
>Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On May 13, 6:14 pm, MattB . <trdell1...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 02:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Alright the great judge MattB can believe this is not true then...

"Backsliding = Whoredom.

Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?"

I just wonder why? :-).

Stubborn fellow.



Michael Christ

[MattB .]

Matthew 18:12-14

12 �What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them
goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains
to seek the one that is straying? 13 And if he should find it,
assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over
the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14 Even so it is not the will
of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should
perish.

Luke 15:3-7

3 So He spoke this parable to them, saying:

4 �What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them,
does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one
which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays
it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls
together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, �Rejoice with me,
for I have found my sheep which was lost!� 7 I say to you that
likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents
than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

[Michael Christ]

On May 14, 12:49 am, MattB . <trdell1...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 05:44:33 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

It is not about the integrity of the Lord, that is a given, it is
about the intent of your own.

You cannot serve two masters.

'Backsliding' is not a part of real Christianity, 'backsliding' is a
term used by man-made christianity to 'adjust' to ***their
lifestyle***.

He has come after a lost sheep, but the lost sheep is rejecting Him,
and you have the proof of that above.

It is not a man pretending to be a teacher or God pricking your heart,
it is the Lord. You could ask for nothing better.




Michael Christ

[MattB .]

I Serve God. I Reject you Michael fake.

>
>'Backsliding' is not a part of real Christianity, 'backsliding' is a
>term used by man-made christianity to 'adjust' to ***their
>lifestyle***.

Then how do you explain the Bible. Then again you reject the Bible
when it suits you Michael Prat.

>
>He has come after a lost sheep, but the lost sheep is rejecting Him,
>and you have the proof of that above.

What in Bible scripture? Yes we all know you serve yourself and your
own inflated ego.

>
>It is not a man pretending to be a teacher or God pricking your heart,
>it is the Lord. You could ask for nothing better.

You are right the Lord is all. Jesus Christ word is all. Michael
Prat's word is deception and lies and therefor false.. The father of
lies must own your soul.

Try being a true servant by the rules applied in the Bible.






>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

[Ike]

On 5/11/2013 2:51 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
> Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?

YOURS is the "man-made Christianity,' heretic.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/11/2013 9:49 AM, Michael Antichrist wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Backsliding = Whoredom.
>
>>> Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?
>

> Pete tried to be wise, and wrote:
>> Whoredom
>
> That's right...
>
> Whoredom = backsliding.

What an idiot.

1) "Backsliding" is strictly an Old Testament term as it pertains to the
law. It has NOTHING to do with the NEW, WHICH DOESN'T RELY ON THE LAW AT
ALL.

2) In the Word, "whoredom" refers to WORSHIPPING OTHER GODS, and has
little to do with the law, either (other than "thou shalt have no other
gods before me).

Once again, you demonstrate that you're totally ignorant of "new wine"
(the Gospel) in the "now bottles" (those who are saved by grace through
faith, and NOT LAWKEEPING....EVER), and how it is different from the Old
"wine" as it pertained to the "old bottles."

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/11/2013 4:19 PM, Michael Christ wrote:

> How does that not make backsliding whoredom?

The real question is, what does "backsliding" have to do with
Christianity, moron?

Answer: NOTHING.

Since Christianity never had anything to do with LAW KEEPING in the
first place, there is no "forward motion" to "backslide" from.

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets...

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/11/2013 5:06 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Backsliding = Whoredom.
>>
>>> Which one do you think man-made christianity prefers to call it?
>

> MattB wrote:
>> 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
>> forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>
> Yes.
>
> You will find though that your 'confession' is a little bit different
> from His.
>
> When you know this you will realise that 'backsliding' is a little
> more than 'a little more than I would like'.
>
> No bible quoting scammers make it, Bowl of Soup, dust and ashes, Buddy
> boy; broken heart and contrite spirit.

>
> Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
> eye seeth thee.
> Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

The moron has no concept of Old Testament versus New Testament, "old
wine" in "old bottles" versus the "new wine" in the "new bottles."

Hey, moron...THE OLD TESTAMENT PEOPLE ARE GONE.

These are the NEW TESTAMENT DAYS, necessitated by the fact that the OLD
TESTAMENT WAS AN ABJECT FAILURE TO THE OLD TESTAMENT PEOPLES.

Ga 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if
there had been a law given which could have given life, verily
righteousness should have been by the law.

Righteousness is NOT by the law, but BY THE FREE GIFT OF GOD.

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, oh, clueless
one.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/11/2013 7:41 PM, Michael Antichrist wrote:
> On May 12, 6:35 am, MattB . <trdell1...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:

[snippeth]

>> You are really hate filled aren't you.
>

> Nope.

Yep.

You especially hate Jesus Christ and His Gospel, which doesn't REQUIRE
any conformity to the law, but the recognition that no one (save Jesus)
can KEEP the law...

...and that makes all of your yowling about "sin" in others all the more
vile, since you are THE EPITOME OF SIN AND THE SINNER.

And then, just to add blasphemy to arrogance, YOU SPIT ON THE GOSPEL,
which is based on the premise...

1Jn 1:
8 � If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our

sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You are one sad sap, Antichristian.

Ike

[Ike]

On 5/12/2013 6:42 AM, Michael Antichrist wrote:
> Learn what it means...
>
> Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
> eye seeth thee.
>
> Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Notice how the antichristian is forever quoting the OLD TESTAMENT, which
pretty much has nothing to do with the New, save for the fact that it
points out WHAT WE COULDN'T DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Idiot.

Ike

[duke]

Exactly. We Catholics refer to that as being reconciled with God after any
miserable failure on our part.

[Up from the Abyss]

"Michael Christ" wrote:
> MattB wrote:
> > Michael Christ

> >>
> >> It doesn't, you don't even have agree with Job either,
> >> you can just go up and hug a mountain if you like.

Is Job applicable?

> > I don't do burnt offering on the mountain. The Bible
> > has many lessons.
> >
> > I don't agree you are a teacher your name calling and
> > judgement say you aren't
>
> I am not meant to fit your mould.

So, you do not deny being a teacher?

And you are correct, you do not fit Matt's mould. You
are your own mold. And no, that is not a typo.

> If you are right in your own eyes, you have nothing to fear.

Exactly, which is precisely why you do not fear.

<snip>

[Ike]

On 5/11/2013 2:54 PM, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
> Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God
> Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758)
> Enfield, Connecticut
> July 8, 1741
>
> Their foot shall slide in due time. Deuteronomy 32:35
>
> In this verse is threatened the vengeance of God on the wicked
> unbelieving Israelites, who were God's visible people, and who lived
> under the means of grace; but who, notwithstanding all God's wonderful
> works towards them, remained (as vers 28.) void of counsel, having no
> understanding in them. Under all the cultivations of heaven, they
> brought forth bitter and poisonous fruit; as in the two verses next
> preceding the text. -- The expression I have chosen for my text, their
> foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following things,
> relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked
> Israelites were exposed.
>
> That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands
> or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. This is implied
> in the manner of their destruction coming upon them, being represented
> by their foot sliding. The same is expressed, Psalm 73:18. "Surely
> thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into
> destruction."
>
> It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected
> destruction. As he that walks in slippery places is every moment
> liable to fall, he cannot foresee one moment whether he shall stand or
> fall the next; and when he does fall, he falls at once without
> warning: Which is also expressed in Psalm 73:18,19. "Surely thou didst
> set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction:
> How are they brought into desolation as in a moment!"

Yes. That's because the Jews were under the law.

The Gentile never were, hence they can't "backslide" since they never
had any forward momentum in the first place.

Thus, you'll only find the term "backsliding" in the Old Testament, as
it is irrelevant to the New (except in the mouths of legalistic cultists
who can't distinguish between the parameters of the Old and New Covenants).

Ike