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Snow
May 9, 2013, 5:51:02 AM5/9/13
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One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
‘temptation’.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and
showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9
And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
down and worship me.
Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
since he can’t give Jesus back his own creation. Now the offer for
Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares
YAHWEH.
He says nothing of the sort… Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
tells the devil:
Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
‘You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
Him ALONE, not me alone.
Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
worshiped.
the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
‘temptation’.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and
showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9
And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
down and worship me.
Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
since he can’t give Jesus back his own creation. Now the offer for
Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares
YAHWEH.
He says nothing of the sort… Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
tells the devil:
Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
‘You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
Him ALONE, not me alone.
Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
worshiped.
Ike
May 9, 2013, 6:44:57 AM5/9/13
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On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
LOL
> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,
Antichristian.
In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
wrote and what the Gospels say.
<chuckle>
Ike
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 7:07:49 AM5/9/13
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And then you end up an unashamed sinner telling people they should be
ashamed.
Michael Christ
Snow
May 9, 2013, 7:18:36 AM5/9/13
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On May 9, 9:07 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Michael Christ
I really am fine with you believing whatever you want and thank you.
Take care and have a blessed day.
Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
In order to maintain dogma, TRINITY Christianity relies on
mistranslation and man-made tradition and removing the name of the
Almighty from scriptures. It is not Jewish tradition to remove the
name of YAHWEH from scriptures. Jewish tradition is simply that they
do not vocalize the sacred name but they do not remove it from
scriptures.
Christians rely on very few passages to say that “Jesus” is the
Almighty creator and I thought I would touch on just a few.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Master and my
Mighty One.
Thomas claiming that Yehoshua was his “God” is not significant since
“Elohim” is a title that is given to Moses, Abraham, judges and
rulers. Exodus 7:1 demonstrates Moses was “a god” to Pharaoh and I
don’t see Christians lining up to worship him.
Psa 82:6 I have said, You are Elohim; and ALL of you are children of
the most High.
Christian must ignore the fact that ALL are children of the most high
so that they can run around calling everybody else the devils child.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The next is the claim that every time Yehoshua says, “I AM” his is
claiming to be the Almighty rather then his servant which goes against
all the verses that say YAHWEH put his spirit on the man.
Mat 12:18 Behold MY SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
show judgment to the Gentiles.
This does not say he is mankind’s servant or servant to the apostles
but that the Almighty in heaven servant. Christians must deny this
verse and claim that he is the spirit “incarnated” from birth rather
than a servant and man who YAHWEH put his spirit upon.
To address “I Am” as a claim to be Almighty, a person must recognize
that the name of YAHWEH is removed from their scriptures and that the
name is not listed in Exodus 3:14 but rather it is removed from verse
15 and hidden from Christian eyes.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to ALL
GENERATIONS.’
His remembrance for ALL GENRATIONS is not Jesus, it’s not LORD, it is
YAHWEH. The name is recorded over 6,800 times in Hebrew scriptures
and removed completely from the New Testament. To say, “I Am” is a
claim to being the Almighty, we might as well worship Peter who says
in Acts:
Act 10:21 Then Kepha went down to the men which were sent unto him
from Cornelius; and said, Behold I AM he whom ye seek: what is the
cause wherefore ye are come?
Clearly saying, “I AM”, is not a call to say he is the Almighty that
we seek but Christians must ignore this fact. They must also ignore
the fact that scriptures clearly teach Yehoshua was a MAN who was
raised by YAHWEH.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, A
MAN approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did BY him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
And:
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
It does not say he raised himself from the dead. To say otherwise is
to fail to acknowledge that he did in fact die which the Trinity
doctrine does. So many passages in the New Testament MUST be ignored
by Trinity Christians to support the lie that says we must worship
“Jesus” and they will refuse to actually address these many passages
and then go on to babble dogma such as:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
What they fail to take into account is that “the word” is not the
speaker of the word which is YAHWEH.
Gen 1:3 And Elohim SAID, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
Being the “word” is not an indication that Yehoshua was the speaker of
those words but rather created by the speaker as Hebrew scriptures
says YAHWEH creates all things.
Isa 45:11 Thus said YAHWEH, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl, and his
Maker, “Do you ask Me about My sons what is to come? And about the
work of My hands do you command Me?
Isa 45:12 “I have made the earth, and created man on it. I, My hands
have stretched out the heavens, and ALL their host I have commanded.
When called to worship Satan, Jesus did not say, “Worship me”, he said
to worship YAHWEH and Christians again remove this name from
scriptures:
Mat 4:10 Then YESHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yeshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
So, even if Yehoshua is “God”, YAHWEH is the “GOD OF GODS” even by
their translation. We are told to pray to our Father in heaven, while
Yehoshua was on earth, he states that power and authority is given to
him and that of his own, he could do nothing but the most convincing
evidence of purposeful mistranslation are the following passage:
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Many more can be given but Christians do not desire the truth, they
desire to be right in following man made tradition. Merry season of
the Yule, X-Mass
If you would like to comment on this, feel free to add them to this
web page.
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¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is
really true, there would be little hope of advance.
Orville Wright
wrote:
I really am fine with you believing whatever you want and thank you.
Take care and have a blessed day.
Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
In order to maintain dogma, TRINITY Christianity relies on
mistranslation and man-made tradition and removing the name of the
Almighty from scriptures. It is not Jewish tradition to remove the
name of YAHWEH from scriptures. Jewish tradition is simply that they
do not vocalize the sacred name but they do not remove it from
scriptures.
Christians rely on very few passages to say that “Jesus” is the
Almighty creator and I thought I would touch on just a few.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Master and my
Mighty One.
Thomas claiming that Yehoshua was his “God” is not significant since
“Elohim” is a title that is given to Moses, Abraham, judges and
rulers. Exodus 7:1 demonstrates Moses was “a god” to Pharaoh and I
don’t see Christians lining up to worship him.
Psa 82:6 I have said, You are Elohim; and ALL of you are children of
the most High.
Christian must ignore the fact that ALL are children of the most high
so that they can run around calling everybody else the devils child.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The next is the claim that every time Yehoshua says, “I AM” his is
claiming to be the Almighty rather then his servant which goes against
all the verses that say YAHWEH put his spirit on the man.
Mat 12:18 Behold MY SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
show judgment to the Gentiles.
This does not say he is mankind’s servant or servant to the apostles
but that the Almighty in heaven servant. Christians must deny this
verse and claim that he is the spirit “incarnated” from birth rather
than a servant and man who YAHWEH put his spirit upon.
To address “I Am” as a claim to be Almighty, a person must recognize
that the name of YAHWEH is removed from their scriptures and that the
name is not listed in Exodus 3:14 but rather it is removed from verse
15 and hidden from Christian eyes.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to ALL
GENERATIONS.’
His remembrance for ALL GENRATIONS is not Jesus, it’s not LORD, it is
YAHWEH. The name is recorded over 6,800 times in Hebrew scriptures
and removed completely from the New Testament. To say, “I Am” is a
claim to being the Almighty, we might as well worship Peter who says
in Acts:
Act 10:21 Then Kepha went down to the men which were sent unto him
from Cornelius; and said, Behold I AM he whom ye seek: what is the
cause wherefore ye are come?
Clearly saying, “I AM”, is not a call to say he is the Almighty that
we seek but Christians must ignore this fact. They must also ignore
the fact that scriptures clearly teach Yehoshua was a MAN who was
raised by YAHWEH.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, A
MAN approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did BY him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
And:
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
It does not say he raised himself from the dead. To say otherwise is
to fail to acknowledge that he did in fact die which the Trinity
doctrine does. So many passages in the New Testament MUST be ignored
by Trinity Christians to support the lie that says we must worship
“Jesus” and they will refuse to actually address these many passages
and then go on to babble dogma such as:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
What they fail to take into account is that “the word” is not the
speaker of the word which is YAHWEH.
Gen 1:3 And Elohim SAID, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
Being the “word” is not an indication that Yehoshua was the speaker of
those words but rather created by the speaker as Hebrew scriptures
says YAHWEH creates all things.
Isa 45:11 Thus said YAHWEH, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl, and his
Maker, “Do you ask Me about My sons what is to come? And about the
work of My hands do you command Me?
Isa 45:12 “I have made the earth, and created man on it. I, My hands
have stretched out the heavens, and ALL their host I have commanded.
When called to worship Satan, Jesus did not say, “Worship me”, he said
to worship YAHWEH and Christians again remove this name from
scriptures:
Mat 4:10 Then YESHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
We can see the Hebrew text quoted speaks only of YAHWEH. Christians
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yeshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
So, even if Yehoshua is “God”, YAHWEH is the “GOD OF GODS” even by
their translation. We are told to pray to our Father in heaven, while
Yehoshua was on earth, he states that power and authority is given to
him and that of his own, he could do nothing but the most convincing
evidence of purposeful mistranslation are the following passage:
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Many more can be given but Christians do not desire the truth, they
desire to be right in following man made tradition. Merry season of
the Yule, X-Mass
If you would like to comment on this, feel free to add them to this
web page.
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is
really true, there would be little hope of advance.
Orville Wright
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 8:30:32 AM5/9/13
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Michael Christ wrote:
> > If you don't worship Jesus, you don't worship God.
> > If you don't worship Jesus, you don't worship God.
Snow wrote:
> I really am fine with you believing whatever you want and thank you.
> Take care and have a blessed day.
Hmmm, humanistic nicespeak; yuck, makes me sick. So you are happy for
> I really am fine with you believing whatever you want and thank you.
> Take care and have a blessed day.
me to rot in what you believe is error.
You see, there you go, up to your eyeballs in humanism/the depravity
of man.
Jesus is God manifested in the flesh from birth in manager, and if you
don't see that, you don't see God.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 8:41:51 AM5/9/13
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On May 9, 8:30 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
'Manger'.
Actually from the moment of conception in Mary's womb.
Michael Christ
Actually from the moment of conception in Mary's womb.
Michael Christ
Snow
May 9, 2013, 9:32:16 AM5/9/13
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On May 9, 10:30 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
Not very almighty if you ask me. You couldn't even address a single
issue, not even the first line. Like I said, I'm fine with you
believing keeping your belief Michael. Thank you and take care, be
blessed.
Not very almighty if you ask me. You couldn't even address a single
issue, not even the first line. Like I said, I'm fine with you
believing keeping your belief Michael. Thank you and take care, be
blessed.
" "
May 9, 2013, 9:37:37 AM5/9/13
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Yes He is God, because He declared it so with witnesses.
GSI
May 9, 2013, 10:03:29 AM5/9/13
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an enlightened spiritual teacher like Jesus would want to be
"worshipped" is laughable, ridiculous, and shows no
understanding of spirituality.
Barry OGrady
May 9, 2013, 10:22:44 AM5/9/13
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Is God God?
===========
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children
for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held
responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-Albert Einstein
===========
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children
for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held
responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-Albert Einstein
Barry OGrady
May 9, 2013, 10:24:00 AM5/9/13
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On 09 May 2013 13:37:37 GMT, " " wrote:
>Yes He is God, because He declared it so with witnesses.
That's not true. His handlers claim he is God and we have
>Yes He is God, because He declared it so with witnesses.
no verified witnesses.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
May 9, 2013, 10:47:35 AM5/9/13
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Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Snow
May 9, 2013, 10:58:54 AM5/9/13
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at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.
I doubt I would call his ministry simple 'spirituality' when consider
the things that could mean now days... but clearly his ministry wasn't
about his self, so I see your point. Thank you for sharing with me
and have a brilliant day.
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
Dr. R. Knapp
May 9, 2013, 11:03:16 AM5/9/13
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On May 9, 5:51 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> ‘temptation’.
I will stop now, as you lied, or you do not read what Jesus did say,
> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> ‘temptation’.
Yeshua that is Jesus did preach about himself many times one is when
he said "John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through Me. "
Another is this Matt 19:14
14 But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not
forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
NKJV
Mark 9:37
37 "Whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives
Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me but Him who sent Me."
NKJV
Just a few and since you did not start with the truth you have your
own reason to not tell the truth, I see no need to read another word
of yours so snip it out and hope any reader will be careful with
anything you post.
Now as for your remark about Paul, here is a few of Pauls writings
that show you do not know what your talking about as Paul preached
Jesus and was not against anything Jesus said.
Rom 5:1-2
5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which
we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
NKJV
1 Cor 1:3-4
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Spiritual Gifts at Corinth 4 I thank my God always concerning you for
the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus,
NKJV
Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord
Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the
world.
NKJV
Eph 1:1-2
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints
who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
NKJV
Pastor R. Knapp
Pioneers for JESUS
Snow
May 9, 2013, 11:26:28 AM5/9/13
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On May 10, 1:03 am, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> Pastor R. Knapp
> Pioneers for JESUS
>
> Pastor R. Knapp
> Pioneers for JESUS
On May 9, 5:51 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> ‘temptation’.
>I will stop now, as you lied, or you do not read what Jesus did say,
>Yeshua that is Jesus did preach about himself many times one is when
>he said "
>John 14:6
>6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
>comes to the Father except through Me. "
As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER.
> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> ‘temptation’.
>I will stop now, as you lied, or you do not read what Jesus did say,
>Yeshua that is Jesus did preach about himself many times one is when
>he said "
>John 14:6
>6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
>comes to the Father except through Me. "
>Another is this Matt 19:14
>14 But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not
>forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
>NKJV
issue.
>Mark 9:37
>37 "Whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives
>Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me but Him who sent Me."
>NKJV
always pointing his out that his way was not his own but that Father
who sent him or do you wish to Deny his words?
_______________ Pastor Knapp continues:
>Just a few and since you did not start with the truth you have your
>own reason to not tell the truth, I see no need to read another word
>of yours so snip it out and hope any reader will be careful with
>anything you post.
From Snow:
I sit here falsely accused as is your tradition. I forgive you. I’m
certain you know not what you are doing but like your Pharisee father,
I’m certain you will continue to make accusations. But if it is as
you say, then how come he calls out to HIS DEITY even in the YOUR
VERSION of scripture?
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God,
why hast thou forsaken me?
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
First off if he is the Almighty, why is he crying out, “MY GOD” and
how could he forsake himself?
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Then in Revelation the ascended Master, four times in one verse speaks
of HIS GOD!
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of MY
GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name
of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem,
which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him
my new name.
Clearly, if Yeshua was the Almighty Creator, he would not have another
deity and this is because he is NOT. By the tongue of Babylon, I
practiced false worship the vast majority of my life as a Christian
until the name of my Almighty Father and his son were restored to the
scriptures and I learned just how completely wrong and ignorant I
was. I thought I was so smart and yet, a simple thing like restoring
the names and giving me a truthful translation of scriptures opened my
eyes to the truth.
I won’t quote the hundreds of times he spoke of, “My Father” or “Our
Father” when proclaiming he was the son and in Christian literature
they have him being born, preaching and talking to himself.
Take care and be blessed.
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May 9, 2013, 12:14:47 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
>One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
>about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
>Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
>Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>‘temptation’.
Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
>One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
>One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
>about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
>Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
>Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>‘temptation’.
obedience to his Father. And beside, Jesus presented himself to humankind as
fully man, not as divinity.
Philippians 2:6-8 (New International Version)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
>Mat 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and
>showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9
>And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
>down and worship me.
>Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
>to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
>since he can’t give Jesus back his own creation.
> Now the offer for
>Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
>should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
>
>Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares
>YAHWEH.
>
>He says nothing of the sort… Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
>tells the devil:
>
>Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
>‘You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
>”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
>
>Him ALONE, not me alone.
>Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
>worshiped.
essentially after the cross. He was before, but he presented himself solely as
man.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************
duke
May 9, 2013, 12:16:35 PM5/9/13
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the pre cross events for 3 years and of course the 40 days after the
resurrection. Paul wasn't converted for another 2 years after the cross. And
he was tasked with spreading the word properly.
duke
May 9, 2013, 12:18:35 PM5/9/13
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clowns.
duke
May 9, 2013, 12:19:54 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 08:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On May 10, 1:03 am, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> Pastor R. Knapp
>> Pioneers for JESUS
>
>On May 9, 5:51 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
>> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
>> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
>> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
>> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>> ‘temptation’.
>
>>I will stop now, as you lied, or you do not read what Jesus did say,
>>Yeshua that is Jesus did preach about himself many times one is when
>>he said "
>
>>John 14:6
>>6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
>>comes to the Father except through Me. "
>
>As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER.
Amen. Thanks, snow. They will NEVER get it.
>On May 10, 1:03 am, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> Pastor R. Knapp
>> Pioneers for JESUS
>
>On May 9, 5:51 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
>> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
>> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
>> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
>> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>> ‘temptation’.
>
>>I will stop now, as you lied, or you do not read what Jesus did say,
>>Yeshua that is Jesus did preach about himself many times one is when
>>he said "
>
>>John 14:6
>>6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
>>comes to the Father except through Me. "
>
>As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER.
Snow
May 9, 2013, 1:07:44 PM5/9/13
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> > On May 9, 5:51 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> >> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> >> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> >> One of the first things I ve noticed is that Yeshua didn t preach
> >> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his heavenly
> >> Father . In fact, one point that most people don t consider as to if
> >> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> >> temptation .
>
> >>I will stop now, as you lied, or you do not read what Jesus did say,
> >>Yeshua that is Jesus did preach about himself many times one is when
> >>he said "
>
> >>John 14:6
> >>6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
> >>comes to the Father except through Me. "
>
> > As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER.
>
> God, become a member of Gods Kingdom, to be saved eternally.
>
> Explain just how God and Jesus are one?
> Explain how Jesus is "The Son of God"?
> Explain how when one prays to the Father for anything, whether it be for
> physical or spiritual needs that it is Jesus whose actions fulfill the
> prayers?
>
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV
In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
he presumes to know the answer too. Not because he wants answers from
me, not because he wants to learn from me… but because you believes
that asking these questions will demonstrate his ‘superior’ knowledge
of the scriptures.
>Would you care to explain why it is necessary to go through Jesus to see
>God, become a member of Gods Kingdom, to be saved eternally.
Isa 42:6 “I, YAHWEH, have called You in righteousness, and I take hold
of Your hand and guard You, and give You for a covenant to a people,
for a light to the gentiles,
Yeshua was, “a light TO the gentiles.” Gentiles would not have
received the command of Yahweh except it was ordained by the prophet
that Yeshua would come to save them from the curse of disobedience of
the Torah. You see, ‘the curse’ is not the Torah but if you do not
live by his command.
Joh 12:50 “And I know that His command is everlasting life.”
Not “my command” … His command.
>Explain just how God and Jesus are one?
Joh 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I
in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe
that YOU have SENT ME.
In the same manner he taught, “ALL may be ONE”. That doesn’t make you
and me a deity too, does it? Just as a man and wife ‘become one’.
Clearly you understand that they aren’t really the same entity, only
that they agree and stand UNITED as one.
>Explain how Jesus is "The Son of God"?
The same way that ALL are children of the most high.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, and ALL of you are children of
the Most High.
That doesn’t make me a deity to be worshiped in your religion does
it? I am after all the brother of Yeshua…
Mat 12:50 “For whoever does the desire of My Father WHO IS IN THE
HEAVENS is My brother and sister and mother.”
>Explain how when one prays to the Father for anything, whether it be for
>physical or spiritual needs that it is Jesus whose actions fulfill the
>prayers?
That is only according to your tradition.
Joh 10:25 יהושע (Yeshua) answered them, “I have told you, and you do
not believe. The works that I do in MY FATHER'S NAME, they bear
witness concerning Me.
What he does, what I do, is in the name of OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.
Well, that’s it.. Hope you enjoyed my answers and have a blessed day.
Take care.
Terry Cross
May 9, 2013, 1:11:28 PM5/9/13
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On May 9, 3:44 am, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>
> > One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> > the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> > Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> LOL
>
> There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,d
> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>
> > One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> > the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> > Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> LOL
>
There are huge differences. Jesus gave one path for salvation, and
Paul another. Here is what Jesus said:
Mark 10:
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running,
and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I
may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none
good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill,
Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy
father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I
observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing
thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the
poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the
cross, and follow me.
And here is what Paul said:
Acts 16:
29. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and
fell down before Paul and Silas,
30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be
saved, and thy house.
32. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were
in his house.
> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
> wrote and what the Gospels say.
TCross
Snow
May 9, 2013, 1:11:28 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 2:14 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> That was after he rose form the dead. The deity of Jesus is development
> essentially after the cross. He was before, but he presented himself solely as
> man.
>
> The dukester, American - American
>
> ********************************************
> Repeal Obama
> You simply can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
Hi Duke... I know we disagree but I have to tell you.. I love you.
> That was after he rose form the dead. The deity of Jesus is development
> essentially after the cross. He was before, but he presented himself solely as
> man.
>
> The dukester, American - American
>
> ********************************************
> Repeal Obama
> You simply can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
It's good to see you posting. I hope that all is well with you and
that you still carry the blessings of our Father in Heaven with you.
Of course we still disagree but.. I have nothing to prove to you and I
have no issue with your beliefs. I find you to be a good and
compassionate man... You are truly my brother regardless of what you
believe. Take care. (HUGS) and thanks for taking your valuable time
to talk to me.. it's always a blessing to hear from you.
" ""
May 9, 2013, 1:59:31 PM5/9/13
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>> Joh 5:30 �Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
>Do you deny that the scriptures speak of Jesus?
>
>Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
>judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the
>Father which hath sent me.
>
>
>--
>Peter
>A living Stone
>A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
>Joh 13:34-35 KJV
And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
>
>--
>Peter
>A living Stone
>A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
>Joh 13:34-35 KJV
father and I ar one". And those jews present sought to kill Him for they
knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
the god man incarnate.
Snow
May 9, 2013, 2:11:41 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 3:59 am, " "" wrote:
> >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
> >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
> And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> father and I ar one". And those jews present sought to kill Him for they
> knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
>
> And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> the god man incarnate.
If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> father and I ar one". And those jews present sought to kill Him for they
> knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
>
> And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> the god man incarnate.
existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
You see, either you must say that he was not truly dead, in which case
you deny that he died and all of Christianity is a bold face lie or..
you must admit that a power outside of the MAN who was known as Yeshua
was running the show.. That power was the creator and his name is
YAHWEH. You may not know this friend because his name was removed
from your scriptures... try a restored name version of scriptures.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yeshua of Nazareth, a MAN
approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which
YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
The dead don't raise themselves friend... take care and listen to when
he cried out to his deity.
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May 9, 2013, 2:53:40 PM5/9/13
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On May 9, 10:59 am, " "" wrote:
> >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> >Do you deny that the scriptures speak of Jesus?
>
> >Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
> >judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the
> >Father which hath sent me.
>
> >--
> >Peter
> >A living Stone
> >A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> >Joh 13:34-35 KJV
>
> And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am"
Not really.
> >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> >Do you deny that the scriptures speak of Jesus?
>
> >Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
> >judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the
> >Father which hath sent me.
>
> >--
> >Peter
> >A living Stone
> >A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> >Joh 13:34-35 KJV
>
> And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am"
> and "the
> father and I are one".
> And those jews present sought to kill Him for they
> knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
> And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> the god man incarnate.
TCross
Snow
May 9, 2013, 3:01:20 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 4:32 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> > In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
> > he presumes to know the answer too. Not because he wants answers from
> > me, not because he wants to learn from me… but because you believes
> > that asking these questions will demonstrate his ‘superior’ knowledge
> > of the scriptures.
>
> You accuse without knowledge showing that you are not a brother in Jesus
> > In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
> > he presumes to know the answer too. Not because he wants answers from
> > me, not because he wants to learn from me… but because you believes
> > that asking these questions will demonstrate his ‘superior’ knowledge
> > of the scriptures.
>
> Christ.
>
> So just what is your agenda?
>
> >>Would you care to explain why it is necessary to go through Jesus to see
> >>God, become a member of Gods Kingdom, to be saved eternally.
> > Isa 42:6 “I, YAHWEH, have called You in righteousness, and I take hold
> > of Your hand and guard You, and give You for a covenant to a people,
> > for a light to the gentiles,
>
> > Yeshua was, “a light TO the gentiles.” Gentiles would not have
> > received the command of Yahweh except it was ordained by the prophet
> > that Yeshua would come to save them from the curse of disobedience of
> > the Torah. You see, ‘the curse’ is not the Torah but if you do not
> > live by his command.
> > Joh 12:50 “And I know that His command is everlasting life.”
> > Not “my command” … His command.
>
> The only person to fulfill the commandments was the Son of God. Everyone
> >>Would you care to explain why it is necessary to go through Jesus to see
> >>God, become a member of Gods Kingdom, to be saved eternally.
> > Isa 42:6 “I, YAHWEH, have called You in righteousness, and I take hold
> > of Your hand and guard You, and give You for a covenant to a people,
> > for a light to the gentiles,
>
> > Yeshua was, “a light TO the gentiles.” Gentiles would not have
> > received the command of Yahweh except it was ordained by the prophet
> > that Yeshua would come to save them from the curse of disobedience of
> > the Torah. You see, ‘the curse’ is not the Torah but if you do not
> > live by his command.
> > Joh 12:50 “And I know that His command is everlasting life.”
> > Not “my command” … His command.
>
> else failed. No person was ever made righteous by the law, it only
> generated self-righteousness as man compared himself to another, not to
> God. There was no life in the law, the law of death.
You only believe that because you don't know the Torah but thank you
for proving my point. I wish you all the best with your self-
righteous belief that you are 'saved' simply because you believe it...
I'm sure many murderers and rapist will tell the same story.
Num 23:19 El is NOT A MAN, that he should lie; neither the Son of Man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
I am not interested in your belief and I have noT asked you for your
witness SO feel free to speak to people that do care. I wish you all
the best and thank you for your time... Live in peace.
Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good
shall I do to have everlasting life?”
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And Yehoshua said, “ ‘You shall not
murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
shall not bear false witness,’
Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
Snow
May 9, 2013, 3:06:50 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 4:53 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John's opinion is not substantive in this debate.
>
> TCross
Still, the word is not the speaker if that makes sense... in literal
> John's opinion is not substantive in this debate.
>
> TCross
sense, all of creation is the word because according to Genesis, all
was spoken into existence. It doesn't make us Jesus does it? LOL
I get that you are helping me Terry and I'm grateful for you. I hope
this finds you well, it's been a while since we've chatted. The way I
see it Terry, life is to short to waste your wonderful energy.. so..
post if you enjoy it. Be happy. Smile... You are appreciated. Take
care and be blessed.
I basically wanted to say thank you for gracing me with your
thoughts. Peace be with you.
Snow
May 9, 2013, 3:11:43 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 2:18 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
> >Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
>
> Snow, you as a non Christian have a better understanding than these protest_ant
> clowns.
>
> The dukester, American - American
>
> ********************************************
> Repeal Obama
> You simply can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
Come on Duke.. Be kind. YOU are better than that... I know it. LOVE
> >Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
> >Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
>
> Snow, you as a non Christian have a better understanding than these protest_ant
> clowns.
>
> The dukester, American - American
>
> ********************************************
> Repeal Obama
> You simply can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
is more important than being right old friend. They may hate us, they
may speak all kinds of evil and even we may disagree but one thing
you... YOU taught me was the importance of love... Remember it
yourself.
Pray your fellow man is more compassionate that we deserve and that
the people who might want to hate you, love their children too and
focus on that. May compassion rule your day. Be blessed.
Snow
May 9, 2013, 3:14:28 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 3:11 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
> > there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
> > wrote and what the Gospels say.
>
> What is your source on Paul helping to write the Gospels, please?
>
> TCross
LOL, Come on Terry. As if you are ever going to get a straight answer
> > In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
> > there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
> > wrote and what the Gospels say.
>
> What is your source on Paul helping to write the Gospels, please?
>
> TCross
out of this one... LOL You know he will just dig up some "fact' off
the net that proves Paul wrote the entire new testament if he wants.
Most people aren't looking for truth, they are looking to confirm what
they think they know. It's good to see a free thinker like you still
out there keeping balance in the universe.
Take care :) LOL Thanks for making my day.
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Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> On May 10, 3:59=A0am, " "" wrote:
> > >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> > And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> > father and I ar one". =A0And those jews present sought to kill Him for th=
Jesus Christ is speaking...
---
[Matt 12:8]
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
---
And, this is what they crucified Him for --> Blaspheme.
In effect, saying that He was God.
It's true that man has a logic problem dealing with this.
How can one plus one equal one?
The paradox seems to be between flesh and spirit.
The flesh demanding the answer it seeks: "How can this be?"
Do we, in the flesh, limit God?
We can't. There is no limit to what God can do.
The answer is not with the flesh, but the spirit.
And, then you have this:
Jesus Christ is speaking...
---
[Matt 11:27]
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man
the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son
will reveal him.
---
<snip>
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Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> On May 10, 3:59=A0am, " "" wrote:
> > >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> > And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> ey
> > knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
> >
> > And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> > the god man incarnate.
>
> If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
> cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
>
See if you can wrap your mind around this:
> > knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
> >
> > And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> > the god man incarnate.
>
> If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
> cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
>
Jesus Christ is speaking...
---
[Matt 12:8]
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
---
And, this is what they crucified Him for --> Blaspheme.
In effect, saying that He was God.
It's true that man has a logic problem dealing with this.
How can one plus one equal one?
The paradox seems to be between flesh and spirit.
The flesh demanding the answer it seeks: "How can this be?"
Do we, in the flesh, limit God?
We can't. There is no limit to what God can do.
The answer is not with the flesh, but the spirit.
And, then you have this:
Jesus Christ is speaking...
---
[Matt 11:27]
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man
the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son
will reveal him.
---
<snip>
Snow
May 9, 2013, 4:23:32 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 5:48 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> > Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good
> > shall I do to have everlasting life?”
> > Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
> > except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> > commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
> > Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And Yehoshua said, “ ‘You shall not
> > murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
> > shall not bear false witness,’
> > Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
> > your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
>
> And Jesus was speaking to those under the law, just as He was in that day.
> > Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good
> > shall I do to have everlasting life?”
> > Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
> > except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> > commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
> > Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And Yehoshua said, “ ‘You shall not
> > murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
> > shall not bear false witness,’
> > Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
> > your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
>
> Jesus had not yet paid the price as our sacrifice of the Lamb to be slain
> for the sin of the whole earth. He was bound to keep the Law as long as it
> was in effect, which was concluded or finished with His death.
Of course your Jesus wasn't speaking to you. LOL You get to pick and
choose what part of his teachings apply to you because you 'believe'.
I really am fine with you believing what you want but please don't
assume that I have to care or agree.
Joh 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS EVERLASTING LIFE:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as THE FATHER said unto me, so I
speak.
Joh 12:44 Then Yeshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Joh 7:16 Yeshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is NOT MINE, but
HIS THAT SENT ME.
Joh 10:29 “My Father, who has GIVEN them to Me, is GREATER than all.
And no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
Take care and thank for clearly demonstrating that you don't follow
his teachings since as you say they are for, 'those under the law'.
Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
Hmmmm
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May 9, 2013, 5:44:24 PM5/9/13
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On May 9, 10:26 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
"As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER. "
A father has a son of the same nature. The Father's
"As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER. "
nature is eternal,so is the Son.
Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; Begotten of his Father
before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of very God;
Begotten, not made; Being of one substance with the Father;
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/HC.htm
Snow
May 9, 2013, 5:53:14 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 7:31 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> > Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
>
> > Hmmmm
>
> Od course He is, the Word clearly speaks that. Now Jesus has been restored
> > Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
>
> > Hmmmm
>
> to His former Glory. He was resurrected, the first of the Redeemed and He
> is the Redeemer. The Father is not happy with those that seek to diss His
> Son.
Since ALL are sons of the most high and he breathed life into all of
us, including you dear Pete, I don't think our Father cares for you
dissing any of his children. Look, I get that you follow Apostle
Paul, I don't. I don't because I have come down a different road then
you do. You are very good at spewing volumes of high and mighty
sounding church dogma but you really have no understanding of me or my
position.
I don't care to explain it to you either because you aren't going to
listen and to me, you are nothing but a Pharisee to be ignored.. You
see, I do follow Yeshua's teaching and what he says about Pharisees
like you is to leave you alone.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
To me, you are the blind leading the blind and I'm absolutely certain
that you believe the same thing about me... I'm fine with that Pete.
really... we do not have to agree. Now, I know that in your Pharisee
doctrine, you think you need to rebuke me but here is the thing.. for
once in your life, follow Yeshua and do as he instructs.. shake the
dirt off your feet and go find somebody that wants to hear your
witness.
We are required by scriptures to warn our brothers of the fact that
their behavior is wrong.
Eze 3:17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of
Yisra’ĕl. And you shall hear a word from My mouth, and shall warn them
from Me.
Why do we presume to speak for the Almighty? The applicable words
are, “from My mouth”, have all of you heard the Almighty speaking to
you from his mouth to your ears?
Eze 3:19 “But if you have warned the wrong and he does not turn from
his wrong, nor from his wrong way, he shall die in his crookedness,
and you have delivered your being.
When we speak our peace to other people, we have fulfilled our
obligation to warn our brothers when they are wrong. Why do people
live in judgment of other people when clearly scriptures teach us not
to do this? If we believe somebody is in error, we should speak up
but then,
Pro 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there
is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
Scriptures repeat over and over that we should leave them alone:
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Let the wrong forsake his way! WOW, you mean it’s not our job to go
around accusing every other person of being the antichrist?
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
Are we seeing this? He who is wrong, LET HIM DO MORE WRONG… This
can’t be true, how could this be in the bible?
Eze 3:27 “But when I speak with you, I open your mouth, and you shall
say to them, ‘Thus said the Master Yahweh.’ He who hears, let him
hear. And he who refuses, let him refuse, for they are a rebellious
house.
He who refuses, “Let him refuse”… You mean the idea of leaving people
that you might consider wicked alone isn’t a unique teaching?
Mar 8:33 And turning around and seeing His taught ones, He rebuked
Kĕpha, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For your thoughts are not those
of Elohim, but those of men.”
That our thoughts are not his thoughts aren’t unique is something we
should all consider in our peaceful journey forward. Learning to
respect even those that disagree with us is not something unscriptural
or some fancy new age teaching. It’s not something only the Messiah
taught, it’s Old Testament.
Hos 4:17 “Ephrayim is joined to idols, let him alone.
I have no doubt that this is a hard teaching to follow for us.. that
we let them be what they are but in doing so, we submit to the
teachings of our scriptures and show by our works, the faith that
motivate our actions.
Hos 4:4 “However, let NO ONE strive or reprove another, for your
people are like those striving with a priest. 5 “And you shall
stumble in the day, and the prophet shall also stumble with you in the
night. And I shall make your mother perish. 6 “My people have
perished for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I
reject you from being priest for Me. Since you have forgotten the
Torah of your Elohim, I also forget your children.
Yahweh desires that we know and understand but this does not happen
when we waste our time passing OUR judgment on our other people. The
scriptures are very clear in that we are not to strive with other
people. Now this is not to say that we can’t have a spirited debate
which by the very meaning is righteous, only that it is not our place
to seek to subvert other peoples understandings.
Eze 18:23 “Have I any pleasure in the death of the wrong?” declares
the Master Yahweh. “Is it not that he should turn from his ways, and
live?
I strongly recommend people read Ezekiel especially chapters, 3, 18
and 33 which are all relevant to the topic.
Deu 17:12 “And the man who acts arrogantly, so as not to listen to the
priest who stands to serve there before Yahweh your Elohim, or to the
judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from IsraEL.
We have ONE JUDGE and ONE CREATOR who will judge all, don’t try to
think it’s you. Be Humble.
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
The heart of another is a dark forest, always, no matter how close it
has been to one's own.
Willa Cather
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
May 9, 2013, 6:03:58 PM5/9/13
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33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the
Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one
Christ.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/athacree.htm
Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one
Christ.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/athacree.htm
Snow
May 9, 2013, 6:12:35 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 8:03 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
position is different and that you do not agree with me. Take care
and be blessed. I hope you have a great day but we have spoken many
times before, years ago and we still do not agree. That is
alright :)
<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> "Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I. "
>
> 33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the
> Father as touching His manhood.
>
> 34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one
> Christ.
Thank you for sharing your opinion with me. I appreciate that your
>> "Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I. "
>
> 33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the
> Father as touching His manhood.
>
> 34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one
> Christ.
position is different and that you do not agree with me. Take care
and be blessed. I hope you have a great day but we have spoken many
times before, years ago and we still do not agree. That is
alright :)
duke
May 9, 2013, 6:19:51 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 06:32:16 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On May 9, 10:30�pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On May 9, 7:18�pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 9, 9:07�pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
>> > > If you don't worship Jesus, you don't worship God.
>> Snow wrote:
>> > I really am fine with you believing whatever you want and thank you.
>> > Take care and have a blessed day.
>>
>> Hmmm, humanistic nicespeak; yuck, makes me sick. �So you are happy for
>> me to rot in what you believe is error.
>>
>> You see, there you go, up to your eyeballs in humanism/the depravity
>> of man.
>>
>> Jesus is God manifested in the flesh from birth in manager, and if you
>> don't see that, you don't see God.
>>
>> Michael Christ
>issue, not even the first line. Like I said, I'm fine with you
>believing keeping your belief Michael. Thank you and take care, be
>blessed.
These protest_ers just don't get it.
>On May 9, 10:30�pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On May 9, 7:18�pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 9, 9:07�pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > On May 9, 5:51�pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> > > > One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> > > > the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> > > > Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> > > > One of the first things I�ve noticed is that Yeshua didn�t preach
>> > > > about himself, he always tried to lead people to his �heavenly
>> > > > Father�. �In fact, one point that most people don�t consider as to if
>> > > > Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>> > > > �temptation�.
>>
>>
>> > > On May 9, 5:51�pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> > > > One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> > > > the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> > > > Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> > > > One of the first things I�ve noticed is that Yeshua didn�t preach
>> > > > about himself, he always tried to lead people to his �heavenly
>> > > > Father�. �In fact, one point that most people don�t consider as to if
>> > > > Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>> > > > �temptation�.
>>
>> > > > Mat 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and
>> > > > showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; �9
>> > > > And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
>> > > > down and worship me.
>>
>> > > > Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
>> > > > to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
>> > > > since he can�t give Jesus back his own creation. �Now the offer for
>> > > > Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
>> > > > should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
>>
>> > > > Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,� declares
>> > > > YAHWEH.
>>
>> > > > He says nothing of the sort� Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
>> > > > tells the devil:
>>
>> > > > Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, �Go, Satan! For it has been written,
>> > > > �You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.�
>> > > > �1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
>>
>> > > > Him ALONE, not me alone.
>>
>> > > > Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
>> > > > worshiped.
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; �9
>> > > > And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
>> > > > down and worship me.
>>
>> > > > Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
>> > > > to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
>> > > > since he can�t give Jesus back his own creation. �Now the offer for
>> > > > Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
>> > > > should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
>>
>> > > > Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,� declares
>> > > > YAHWEH.
>>
>> > > > He says nothing of the sort� Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
>> > > > tells the devil:
>>
>> > > > Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, �Go, Satan! For it has been written,
>> > > > �You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.�
>> > > > �1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
>>
>> > > > Him ALONE, not me alone.
>>
>> > > > Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
>> > > > worshiped.
>> > > If you don't worship Jesus, you don't worship God.
>> Snow wrote:
>> > I really am fine with you believing whatever you want and thank you.
>> > Take care and have a blessed day.
>>
>> Hmmm, humanistic nicespeak; yuck, makes me sick. �So you are happy for
>> me to rot in what you believe is error.
>>
>> You see, there you go, up to your eyeballs in humanism/the depravity
>> of man.
>>
>> Jesus is God manifested in the flesh from birth in manager, and if you
>> don't see that, you don't see God.
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>Joh 5:30 �Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
>Not very almighty if you ask me. You couldn't even address a single
>Joh 5:30 �Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
>issue, not even the first line. Like I said, I'm fine with you
>believing keeping your belief Michael. Thank you and take care, be
>blessed.
These protest_ers just don't get it.
Terry Cross
May 9, 2013, 6:26:42 PM5/9/13
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On May 9, 2:44 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
wrote:
the Baptists, who cannot be wrong. And they disagree with the Jews,
who also cannot be wrong. And they disagree with ...
Jesus said God is MY father, and *I* am certainly begotten, and not
made. I do not see a great difference between God's begotten daughter
and God's begotten son.
TCross
wrote:
> On May 9, 10:26 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> "As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER. "
>
> A father has a son of the same nature. The Father's
> nature is eternal,so is the Son.
>
> Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; Begotten of his Father
> before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of very God;
> Begotten, not made; Being of one substance with the Father;
>
> http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/HC.htm
And the Anglicans could not be wrong, eh? Except they disagree with
>
> "As I said, he was leading people to THE FATHER. "
>
> A father has a son of the same nature. The Father's
> nature is eternal,so is the Son.
>
> Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; Begotten of his Father
> before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of very God;
> Begotten, not made; Being of one substance with the Father;
>
> http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/HC.htm
the Baptists, who cannot be wrong. And they disagree with the Jews,
who also cannot be wrong. And they disagree with ...
Jesus said God is MY father, and *I* am certainly begotten, and not
made. I do not see a great difference between God's begotten daughter
and God's begotten son.
TCross
duke
May 9, 2013, 6:28:52 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:48:50 -0700, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>Yes, indeed, many murderers and rapists who given faith by God will receive
>Jesus in their hearts and will be in heaven as the rest of the Believers.
>Paul, the apostle being one of them, the thief on the cross another.
>We are all saved simply because we believed, and believed in Jesus. Thank
>God for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
But did you repent of your sins once and or all and confess to God? Did you
pick up your own cross and follow Jesus, or did you merely give him lip service?
The world wants to know.
God already knows if you will or won't.
>Yes, indeed, many murderers and rapists who given faith by God will receive
>Jesus in their hearts and will be in heaven as the rest of the Believers.
>Paul, the apostle being one of them, the thief on the cross another.
>We are all saved simply because we believed, and believed in Jesus. Thank
>God for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
But did you repent of your sins once and or all and confess to God? Did you
pick up your own cross and follow Jesus, or did you merely give him lip service?
The world wants to know.
God already knows if you will or won't.
Terry Cross
May 9, 2013, 6:56:49 PM5/9/13
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On May 9, 1:18 pm, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 18:11:42 +0000
> Message-ID: <3dccb7e0-1912-4929...@k8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com>
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> Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 3:59=A0am, " "" wrote:
> > > >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> > > And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> > > father and I ar one". =A0And those jews present sought to kill Him for th=
> > ey
> > > knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
>
> > > And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> > > the god man incarnate.
>
> > If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> > existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
> > cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
>
> See if you can wrap your mind around this:
>
> Jesus Christ is speaking...
>
> ---
> [Matt 12:8]
> For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
> ---
>
> And, this is what they crucified Him for --> Blaspheme.
>
> In effect, saying that He was God.
No, the "son of Man" was a common expression his day, found hundreds
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 18:11:42 +0000
> Message-ID: <3dccb7e0-1912-4929...@k8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com>
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> Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 3:59=A0am, " "" wrote:
> > > >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> > > And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> > > father and I ar one". =A0And those jews present sought to kill Him for th=
> > ey
> > > knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
>
> > > And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
> > > the god man incarnate.
>
> > If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> > existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
> > cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
>
> See if you can wrap your mind around this:
>
> Jesus Christ is speaking...
>
> ---
> [Matt 12:8]
> For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
> ---
>
> And, this is what they crucified Him for --> Blaspheme.
>
> In effect, saying that He was God.
of times in the Torah to mean an ordinary common human, not an angel
and not divine.
> It's true that man has a logic problem dealing with this.
> How can one plus one equal one?
> The paradox seems to be between flesh and spirit.
>
> The flesh demanding the answer it seeks: "How can this be?"
>
> Do we, in the flesh, limit God?
>
> We can't. There is no limit to what God can do.
>
> The answer is not with the flesh, but the spirit.
>
> And, then you have this:
>
> Jesus Christ is speaking...
>
> ---
> [Matt 11:27]
> All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
> knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man
> the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son
> will reveal him.
not the father of Jesus the same as the father of IQN?
TCross
Snow
May 9, 2013, 7:00:53 PM5/9/13
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> > Joh 12:44 Then Yeshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
> > believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
>
> Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that
> > believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
>
> judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the
> last day.
You know I find it highly ironic that you would quote this to me
because you hear him talking, you see him preaching the TEN
Commandments and you say they do not apply to you because you think
that Yeshua is just a sheep for slaughter and his father is this evil
entity that sends his son to be murdered by Romans so you can sit
around and ignore all that he teaches... Your logic is backwards to
me... do you understand that?
You sit there and you say that it only applies before his death but
the same instruction is in Revelation:
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
sacrifice.
Psa 40:6 Slaughtering and meal offering **You did not desire**
Hos 6:6 “For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering,
You don't realize just how rapped up in your own dogma that you
are... You are not saved by Romans murdering innocent people. You
think YAHWEH just wanted one more "lamb" to be murdered???
Isa 1:11 “Of what use to Me are your many slaughterings?” declares
YAHWEH. “I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of
fed beasts. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs or
goats."
I wonder when people like you will learn to think for yourselves...
Never I suppose. Anyways, I was just rereading some of the bile you
posted and that caught my attention as ironic when considering your
'under the law' don't have to obey Yeshua position.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
May 9, 2013, 7:04:00 PM5/9/13
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What Is the Hypostatic Union?
by David Mathis
The term hypostatic union is much easier than it sounds, but the
concept is as profound as anything in theology.
The English adjective hypostatic comes from the Greek word hupostasis.
The word only appears four times in the New Testament—maybe most
memorably in Hebrews 1:3, where Jesus is said to be “the radiance of
the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.” Here the author
of Hebrews uses the word in reference to the oneness of God. Both the
Father and the Son are of the same “nature.” Jesus is “the exact
imprint of his nature.”
However, in early church discussions, as Greek thinkers tried to find
agreeable terms with those who spoke in Latin, the word hupostasis
came to denote not the sameness in the Godhead (God’s one essence) but
the distinctness (the three persons). So it began to be used to refer
to something like the English word person.
The Personal Union of Jesus’ Two Natures
So “hypostatic union” may sound fancy in English, but it’s a pretty
simple term. Hypostatic means personal. The hypostatic union is the
personal union of Jesus’ two natures.
Jesus has two complete natures—one fully human and one fully divine.
What the doctrine of the hypostatic union teaches is that these two
natures are united in one person in the God-man. Jesus is not two
persons. He is one person. The hypostatic union is the joining of the
divine and the human in the one person of Jesus.
What Is the Significance?
Why bother with this seemingly fancy term? What good is it to know
about this hypostatic union? At the end of the day, the term can go,
but the concept behind the term is infinitely precious—and
worshipfully mind-stretching.
It is immeasurably sweet—and awe-inspiring—to know that Jesus’ two
natures are perfectly united in his one person. Jesus is not divided.
He is not two people. He is one person. As the Chalcedonian Creed
states, his two natures are without confusion, without change, without
division, and without separation. Jesus is one.
This means Jesus is one focal point for our worship. And as Jonathan
Edwards preached, in this one-person God-man we find “an admirable
conjunction of diverse excellencies.”
Because of this hypostatic, one-person union, Jesus Christ exhibits an
unparalleled magnificence. No one person satisfies the complex
longings of the human heart like the God-man.
God has made the human heart in such a way that it will never be
eternally content with that which is only human. Finitude can’t slake
our thirst for the infinite.
And yet, in our finite humanity, we are significantly helped by a
point of correspondence with the divine. God was glorious long before
he became a man in Jesus. But we are human beings, and unincarnate
deity doesn’t connect with us in the same way as the God who became
human. The conception of a god who never became man (like Allah) will
not satisfy the human soul like the God who did.
One Person, For Us
And beyond just gazing at the spectacular person of Jesus, there is
also the amazing gospel-laced revelation that the reason Jesus became
the God-man was for us. His fully human nature joined in personal
union to his eternally divine nature is permanent proof that Jesus, in
perfect harmony with his Father, is undeterrably for us. He has
demonstrated his love for us in that while we were still sinners, he
took our nature to his one person and died for us.
http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/what-is-the-hypostatic-union
by David Mathis
The term hypostatic union is much easier than it sounds, but the
concept is as profound as anything in theology.
The English adjective hypostatic comes from the Greek word hupostasis.
The word only appears four times in the New Testament—maybe most
memorably in Hebrews 1:3, where Jesus is said to be “the radiance of
the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.” Here the author
of Hebrews uses the word in reference to the oneness of God. Both the
Father and the Son are of the same “nature.” Jesus is “the exact
imprint of his nature.”
However, in early church discussions, as Greek thinkers tried to find
agreeable terms with those who spoke in Latin, the word hupostasis
came to denote not the sameness in the Godhead (God’s one essence) but
the distinctness (the three persons). So it began to be used to refer
to something like the English word person.
The Personal Union of Jesus’ Two Natures
So “hypostatic union” may sound fancy in English, but it’s a pretty
simple term. Hypostatic means personal. The hypostatic union is the
personal union of Jesus’ two natures.
Jesus has two complete natures—one fully human and one fully divine.
What the doctrine of the hypostatic union teaches is that these two
natures are united in one person in the God-man. Jesus is not two
persons. He is one person. The hypostatic union is the joining of the
divine and the human in the one person of Jesus.
What Is the Significance?
Why bother with this seemingly fancy term? What good is it to know
about this hypostatic union? At the end of the day, the term can go,
but the concept behind the term is infinitely precious—and
worshipfully mind-stretching.
It is immeasurably sweet—and awe-inspiring—to know that Jesus’ two
natures are perfectly united in his one person. Jesus is not divided.
He is not two people. He is one person. As the Chalcedonian Creed
states, his two natures are without confusion, without change, without
division, and without separation. Jesus is one.
This means Jesus is one focal point for our worship. And as Jonathan
Edwards preached, in this one-person God-man we find “an admirable
conjunction of diverse excellencies.”
Because of this hypostatic, one-person union, Jesus Christ exhibits an
unparalleled magnificence. No one person satisfies the complex
longings of the human heart like the God-man.
God has made the human heart in such a way that it will never be
eternally content with that which is only human. Finitude can’t slake
our thirst for the infinite.
And yet, in our finite humanity, we are significantly helped by a
point of correspondence with the divine. God was glorious long before
he became a man in Jesus. But we are human beings, and unincarnate
deity doesn’t connect with us in the same way as the God who became
human. The conception of a god who never became man (like Allah) will
not satisfy the human soul like the God who did.
One Person, For Us
And beyond just gazing at the spectacular person of Jesus, there is
also the amazing gospel-laced revelation that the reason Jesus became
the God-man was for us. His fully human nature joined in personal
union to his eternally divine nature is permanent proof that Jesus, in
perfect harmony with his Father, is undeterrably for us. He has
demonstrated his love for us in that while we were still sinners, he
took our nature to his one person and died for us.
http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/what-is-the-hypostatic-union
Snow
May 9, 2013, 7:27:43 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 9:04 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Whatever .... LOL
What’s fascinating about Paul is that he is double minded and self
serving. I once challenged a Christian to find me a doctrine preached
that Paul did not have both sides of the issue on, they said, that
Paul was the Messiah.
2Co 11:10 As the truth of the Messiah is in me..
2Co 12:9 ..that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me.
2Co 13:3 …the Messiah speaking in me
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with the Messiah: …the Messiah liveth in me
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor
rejected; but received me as an angel of Elohim, even as the Messiah
Yashua.
Yes, they do receive you as the Messiah.
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Master Yeshua the Messiah, when ye are
gathered together, and MY SPIRIT, with the power of our Master Yeshua
the Messiah,
They gather together IN PAUL’S SPIRIT who claimed to have ALL POWER
since all power was given unto Yeshua, Paul ALMIGHTY.
Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
Really this is nothing compared to the major doctrinal errors put
forward by the Paul.
1Co 1:17 For Messiah did not send me to immerse
You would be the only one then Paul…
Mat 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations,
immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-
apart Spirit,
Still they will not see this or his lies:
1Co 1:14 I thank Elohim that I immersed not one of you except Crispus
and Gaios,
I thought he didn’t send you to immerse Paul?
Act 18:8 And Crispus, the ruler of the congregation, did believe in
the Master with all his household. And MANY of the Corinthians,
hearing, believed and were immersed.
Make up your mind alright... Sheesh!@ Christianity... gotta love it
or burn for eternity!
<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Whatever .... LOL
What’s fascinating about Paul is that he is double minded and self
serving. I once challenged a Christian to find me a doctrine preached
that Paul did not have both sides of the issue on, they said, that
Paul was the Messiah.
2Co 11:10 As the truth of the Messiah is in me..
2Co 12:9 ..that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me.
2Co 13:3 …the Messiah speaking in me
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with the Messiah: …the Messiah liveth in me
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor
rejected; but received me as an angel of Elohim, even as the Messiah
Yashua.
Yes, they do receive you as the Messiah.
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Master Yeshua the Messiah, when ye are
gathered together, and MY SPIRIT, with the power of our Master Yeshua
the Messiah,
They gather together IN PAUL’S SPIRIT who claimed to have ALL POWER
since all power was given unto Yeshua, Paul ALMIGHTY.
Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
Really this is nothing compared to the major doctrinal errors put
forward by the Paul.
1Co 1:17 For Messiah did not send me to immerse
You would be the only one then Paul…
Mat 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations,
immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-
apart Spirit,
Still they will not see this or his lies:
1Co 1:14 I thank Elohim that I immersed not one of you except Crispus
and Gaios,
I thought he didn’t send you to immerse Paul?
Act 18:8 And Crispus, the ruler of the congregation, did believe in
the Master with all his household. And MANY of the Corinthians,
hearing, believed and were immersed.
Make up your mind alright... Sheesh!@ Christianity... gotta love it
or burn for eternity!
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 8:50:35 PM5/9/13
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Michael Christ wrote:
> > Hmmm, humanistic nicespeak; yuck, makes me sick. So you are happy for
> > me to rot in what you believe is error.
>
> > You see, there you go, up to your eyeballs in humanism/the depravity
> > of man.
>
> > Jesus is God manifested in the flesh from birth in manager, and if you
> > don't see that, you don't see God.
> > Hmmm, humanistic nicespeak; yuck, makes me sick. So you are happy for
> > me to rot in what you believe is error.
>
> > You see, there you go, up to your eyeballs in humanism/the depravity
> > of man.
>
> > Jesus is God manifested in the flesh from birth in manager, and if you
> > don't see that, you don't see God.
Snow wrote:
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
Father, Son and Holy Spirit...you can't separate them.
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
Even in physical death.
Its not complex.
Man can't understand too much in the area of unity. In fact, man
cannot understand it at all. Man is a selfish loner who thinks in his
delusion he can find fulfilment in himself.
Snow wrote:
> Not very almighty if you ask me. You couldn't even address a single
> issue, not even the first line. Like I said, I'm fine with you
> believing keeping your belief Michael. Thank you and take care, be
> blessed.
Snow. Also, I have to be careful with your types to avoid getting
dragged into a quicksand of your 'issues' in your attempt to own God
in your minds...and of course reign on high in His place. You don't
know yourselves.
The Lord keeps it simple, Snowy.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit, One God, One Love, One Faith...and now One
Bride. :-).
Michael Christ
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
May 9, 2013, 8:51:47 PM5/9/13
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Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Notice: Name singular, three persons
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 8:54:08 PM5/9/13
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The point is whether or not you give Him your life. Those who don't
are resisting the will of God and will look for any excuse to get
around that reality.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 8:57:48 PM5/9/13
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You see, if you don't have Jesus as Lord, you make yourself Lord.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 9:12:27 PM5/9/13
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Snow wrote:
> > In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
> > he presumes to know the answer too. Not because he wants answers from
> > me, not because he wants to learn from me… but because you believes
> > that asking these questions will demonstrate his ‘superior’ knowledge
> > of the scriptures.
> > In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
> > he presumes to know the answer too. Not because he wants answers from
> > me, not because he wants to learn from me… but because you believes
> > that asking these questions will demonstrate his ‘superior’ knowledge
> > of the scriptures.
Pete wrote:
> You accuse without knowledge showing that you are not a brother in Jesus
> Christ.
>
> So just what is your agenda?
No, Snow has got you summed up quite well. :-).
> You accuse without knowledge showing that you are not a brother in Jesus
> Christ.
>
> So just what is your agenda?
Brotherhood is not 'Peterhood'. :-).
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 9:15:43 PM5/9/13
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Snow wrote:
> Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
>
> Hmmmm
The Lord Jesus humbled Himself.
> Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
>
> Hmmmm
Praise the Lord.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 9:21:56 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 12:14 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
> obedience to his Father.
If you did that you wouldn't end up in the confessional.
Lip-service is not enough.
Michael Christ
And beside, Jesus presented himself to humankind as
> fully man, not as divinity.
>
> Philippians 2:6-8 (New International Version)
> 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
> did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
> 7 rather, he made himself nothing
> by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
> being made in human likeness.
> 8 And being found in appearance as a man,
> he humbled himself
> by becoming obedient to death—
> even death on a cross!
> essentially after the cross. He was before, but he presented himself solely as
> man.
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> >the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> >Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> >One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
> >about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> >Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> >Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> >‘temptation’.
Dukester wrote:
> >One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> >the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> >Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> >One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
> >about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> >Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> >Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> >‘temptation’.
> Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
> obedience to his Father.
If you did that you wouldn't end up in the confessional.
Lip-service is not enough.
Michael Christ
And beside, Jesus presented himself to humankind as
> fully man, not as divinity.
>
> Philippians 2:6-8 (New International Version)
> 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
> did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
> 7 rather, he made himself nothing
> by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
> being made in human likeness.
> 8 And being found in appearance as a man,
> he humbled himself
> by becoming obedient to death—
> even death on a cross!
>
> >Mat 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and
> >showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9
> >And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
> >down and worship me.
> >Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
> >to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
> >since he can’t give Jesus back his own creation.
>
> Yet Jesus is man.
> >Mat 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and
> >showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9
> >And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall
> >down and worship me.
> >Now first off, if Yeshua was the almighty creator that Christians try
> >to make him into, the devil would know this is a pointless exercise
> >since he can’t give Jesus back his own creation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Now the offer for
> >Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
> >should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
>
> >Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares
> >YAHWEH.
>
> >He says nothing of the sort… Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
> >tells the devil:
>
> >Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
> >‘You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
> >”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
>
> >Him ALONE, not me alone.
> >Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
> >worshiped.
>
> That was after he rose form the dead. The deity of Jesus is development
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Now the offer for
> >Yeshua to worship Satan is made and if he sought worship, his response
> >should have been like the Old Testament deity who says:
>
> >Isa 66:23 "All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares
> >YAHWEH.
>
> >He says nothing of the sort… Instead he quotes the book of Duet and
> >tells the devil:
>
> >Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
> >‘You shall worship Yahweh your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
> >”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
>
> >Him ALONE, not me alone.
> >Paul on the other hand always spoke of Jesus as the deity to be
> >worshiped.
>
> essentially after the cross. He was before, but he presented himself solely as
> man.
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Snow
May 9, 2013, 10:30:58 PM5/9/13
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On May 10, 10:51 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
Yes... SINGULAR is correct... The name of the Father. YAHWEH
and of the son and of the set apart spirit.
Isn't it funny how two people can see the same sentence and see a
completely different message. Thank you for pointing that out but
keep in mind that you are talking about a translation that came
throught two different languages since of course you do realize that
Yeshua spoke HEBREW In Israel and your are basing this from a latin
translation... not very accurate at all.
Fortunately, we have many of Yeshua's quotes still in Hebrew because
he quoted the OLD TESTAMENT and we still have a lot of Jewish people
that can read it every Sabbath.
Mat 4:10 Then YESHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yeshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
and of the son and of the set apart spirit.
Isn't it funny how two people can see the same sentence and see a
completely different message. Thank you for pointing that out but
keep in mind that you are talking about a translation that came
throught two different languages since of course you do realize that
Yeshua spoke HEBREW In Israel and your are basing this from a latin
translation... not very accurate at all.
Fortunately, we have many of Yeshua's quotes still in Hebrew because
he quoted the OLD TESTAMENT and we still have a lot of Jewish people
that can read it every Sabbath.
Mat 4:10 Then YESHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written,
‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’
”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
We can see the Hebrew text quoted speaks only of YAHWEH. Christians
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yeshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
Up from the Abyss
May 9, 2013, 11:09:05 PM5/9/13
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"Pete" wrote:
> Snow wrote:
> > Pete wrote:
> >>
> >> You accuse without knowledge showing that you are
> >> not a brother in Jesus Christ.
Pete:
> > Pete wrote:
> >>
> >> You accuse without knowledge showing that you are
> >> not a brother in Jesus Christ.
From what little I have read of Snow, his beliefs are
VERY similar to my former beliefs. Yet, you did not
speak to me in such a manner.
Michael:
You have revealed something of yourself that I have
been wondering about. That which you revealed,
was less than good. But, it confirms my opinion.
Snow:
It is a pleasure to meet you. I have heard of you
by reputation, but never met you. I understand
your reputation a little now. I am currently a part
time resident atheist around here. A former
Messianic, though in a nutshell, my love grew cold.
So I am currently an atheist that consistently points
towards the instruction. LOL. I look forward to
reading more from you.
To all:
Yes, I know I owe about 18 or so replies currently,
I shall get to them as soon as I may.
Michael Christ
May 9, 2013, 11:40:03 PM5/9/13
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:-).
You have attributed something to me above that iseth not me; snakey
talk usually belongs to you know who..
Michael Christ
iqn...@noemail.com
May 10, 2013, 12:17:13 AM5/10/13
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On Thu, 09 May 2013 22:56:49 +0000
Message-ID: <cac636fd-fc4c-4be0...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Message-ID: <3dccb7e0-1912-4929...@k8g2000pbf.googlegroups=
> ..com>
>
> > It's true that man has a logic problem dealing with this.
>
> We are witness to that.
>
>
> > How can one plus one equal one?
>
> Get a few theologists working on it, and they will find a way.
>
>
> > The paradox seems to be between flesh and spirit.
> >
> > The flesh demanding the answer it seeks: "How can this be?"
> >
> > Do we, in the flesh, limit God?
> >
> > We can't. There is no limit to what God can do.
> >
> > The answer is not with the flesh, but the spirit.
> >
> > And, then you have this:
> >
> > Jesus Christ is speaking...
> >
> > ---
> > [Matt 11:27]
> > All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
> > knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man
> > the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son
> > will reveal him.
>
Terry Cross wrote:
> Speak to us of YOUR father, IQN. Of what is your father capable? Is
> not the father of Jesus the same as the father of IQN?
It's not a matter of genealogy, but of faith in Jesus Christ.
---
[Rom 9:30-33]
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not
after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the
righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath
not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, <----
but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at
that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and
rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be
ashamed.
---
Seems Philip had logic issues also...
---
[John 14:6-11]
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. <----
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen
me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then,
Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the
Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.
---
Paul summed the matter this way...
---
[Col 2:9]
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
---
Message-ID: <cac636fd-fc4c-4be0...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Message-ID: <3dccb7e0-1912-4929...@k8g2000pbf.googlegroups=
> ..com>
> > Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 10, 3:59=A0am, " "" wrote:
> > > > >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
> >
> > > > And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> > > > father and I ar one". =A0And those jews present sought to kill Him =
> >
> > > On May 10, 3:59=A0am, " "" wrote:
> > > > >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
> >
> > > > And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
> for th=
> > > ey
> > > > knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
> >
> > > > And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Chr=
> > > ey
> > > > knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
> >
> ist
> > > > the god man incarnate.
> >
> > > If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> > > existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
> > > cross, correct? =A0If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
> > > > the god man incarnate.
> >
> > > If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
> > > existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
> >
> > See if you can wrap your mind around this:
> >
> > Jesus Christ is speaking...
> >
> > ---
> > [Matt 12:8]
> > For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
> > ---
> >
> > And, this is what they crucified Him for --> Blaspheme.
> >
> > In effect, saying that He was God.
>
Terry Cross wrote:
> No, the "son of Man" was a common expression his day, found hundreds
> of times in the Torah to mean an ordinary common human, not an angel
> and not divine.
>
Right, to the 'common human'. Jesus Christ was not common.
> > See if you can wrap your mind around this:
> >
> > Jesus Christ is speaking...
> >
> > ---
> > [Matt 12:8]
> > For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
> > ---
> >
> > And, this is what they crucified Him for --> Blaspheme.
> >
> > In effect, saying that He was God.
>
Terry Cross wrote:
> No, the "son of Man" was a common expression his day, found hundreds
> of times in the Torah to mean an ordinary common human, not an angel
> and not divine.
>
>
> > It's true that man has a logic problem dealing with this.
>
> We are witness to that.
>
>
> > How can one plus one equal one?
>
> Get a few theologists working on it, and they will find a way.
>
>
> > The paradox seems to be between flesh and spirit.
> >
> > The flesh demanding the answer it seeks: "How can this be?"
> >
> > Do we, in the flesh, limit God?
> >
> > We can't. There is no limit to what God can do.
> >
> > The answer is not with the flesh, but the spirit.
> >
> > And, then you have this:
> >
> > Jesus Christ is speaking...
> >
> > ---
> > [Matt 11:27]
> > All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
> > knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man
> > the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son
> > will reveal him.
>
Terry Cross wrote:
> Speak to us of YOUR father, IQN. Of what is your father capable? Is
> not the father of Jesus the same as the father of IQN?
---
[Rom 9:30-33]
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not
after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the
righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath
not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, <----
but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at
that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and
rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be
ashamed.
---
Seems Philip had logic issues also...
---
[John 14:6-11]
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. <----
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen
me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then,
Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the
Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.
---
Paul summed the matter this way...
---
[Col 2:9]
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
---
GSI
May 10, 2013, 12:53:25 AM5/10/13
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On 2013-05-09 17:11:28 +0000, Snow said:
> On May 10, 2:14�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> That was after he rose form the dead. �The deity of Jesus is development
>> essentially after the cross. �He was before, but he presented himself solely as
>> man.
>>
>> The dukester, American - American
>>
>> ********************************************
>> Repeal Obama
>> You simply can't fix stupid.
>> ********************************************
>
> Hi Duke... I know we disagree but I have to tell you.. I love you.
> It's good to see you posting. I hope that all is well with you and
> that you still carry the blessings of our Father in Heaven with you.
>
> Of course we still disagree but.. I have nothing to prove to you and I
> have no issue with your beliefs. I find you to be a good and
> compassionate man... You are truly my brother regardless of what you
> believe. Take care. (HUGS) and thanks for taking your valuable time
> to talk to me.. it's always a blessing to hear from you.
Jesus was a person who reached the highest level of
human potential, the highest understanding/wisdom.
Those who reach this level know that everything is One.
They know that THEY, and all created things have the
same One origin. A name for this origin is "God".
They know this by direct experience. It is possible to
directly experience God. In the Bible, this experience
is called "entering the Kingdom of Heaven. When you
have this experience, you know beyond doubt that you
are God, as is everything else. You know beyond doubt
that you, not the manifested as human you, but the real
you of infinite/God origin is infinite and eternal. This is
the meaning of "to have eternal life" in the Bible. A more
modern translation would be: "to know you are infinity".
All the endless arguments about whether Jesus is God,
etc. all stem from the loss of understanding of what
Christianity and spirituality is all about. A loss of the
understanding that everything is one. We live in a world
that is all about division and separation. All day and night,
the world is teaching us to divide and separate. There is
a TV network (Fox) that specializes in dividing the world
into those we are to hate and those we support. This
dividing of the world into 2 began in the Garden of Eden.
This is the real meaning of the Genesis story. It is a story
of a world that knew Oneness, then something happened,
and the world chose to go in the direction of twoness.
(the tree of knowledge of good and evil). This present
world of twoness will end soon, and we will return to
oneness. This is what Christianity is all about.
Christianity is about Oneness and the spiritual
development of all mankind. It's NOT about worship,
or Jesus, or scripture from 2000 years ago. It's about
YOU, a student, reaching the same, or higher, level of
understanding as your teacher, Jesus. That's what Jesus
wants from you.
> On May 10, 2:14�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> That was after he rose form the dead. �The deity of Jesus is development
>> essentially after the cross. �He was before, but he presented himself solely as
>> man.
>>
>> The dukester, American - American
>>
>> ********************************************
>> Repeal Obama
>> You simply can't fix stupid.
>> ********************************************
>
> It's good to see you posting. I hope that all is well with you and
> that you still carry the blessings of our Father in Heaven with you.
>
> Of course we still disagree but.. I have nothing to prove to you and I
> have no issue with your beliefs. I find you to be a good and
> compassionate man... You are truly my brother regardless of what you
> believe. Take care. (HUGS) and thanks for taking your valuable time
> to talk to me.. it's always a blessing to hear from you.
Jesus was a person who reached the highest level of
human potential, the highest understanding/wisdom.
Those who reach this level know that everything is One.
They know that THEY, and all created things have the
same One origin. A name for this origin is "God".
They know this by direct experience. It is possible to
directly experience God. In the Bible, this experience
is called "entering the Kingdom of Heaven. When you
have this experience, you know beyond doubt that you
are God, as is everything else. You know beyond doubt
that you, not the manifested as human you, but the real
you of infinite/God origin is infinite and eternal. This is
the meaning of "to have eternal life" in the Bible. A more
modern translation would be: "to know you are infinity".
All the endless arguments about whether Jesus is God,
etc. all stem from the loss of understanding of what
Christianity and spirituality is all about. A loss of the
understanding that everything is one. We live in a world
that is all about division and separation. All day and night,
the world is teaching us to divide and separate. There is
a TV network (Fox) that specializes in dividing the world
into those we are to hate and those we support. This
dividing of the world into 2 began in the Garden of Eden.
This is the real meaning of the Genesis story. It is a story
of a world that knew Oneness, then something happened,
and the world chose to go in the direction of twoness.
(the tree of knowledge of good and evil). This present
world of twoness will end soon, and we will return to
oneness. This is what Christianity is all about.
Christianity is about Oneness and the spiritual
development of all mankind. It's NOT about worship,
or Jesus, or scripture from 2000 years ago. It's about
YOU, a student, reaching the same, or higher, level of
understanding as your teacher, Jesus. That's what Jesus
wants from you.
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May 10, 2013, 2:53:02 AM5/10/13
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On May 10, 1:09 pm, "Up from the Abyss" <U...@Abyss.net> wrote:
> Snow:
> It is a pleasure to meet you. I have heard of you
> by reputation, but never met you. I understand
> your reputation a little now. I am currently a part
> time resident atheist around here. A former
> Messianic, though in a nutshell, my love grew cold.
> So I am currently an atheist that consistently points
> towards the instruction. LOL. I look forward to
> reading more from you.
>
> To all:
> Yes, I know I owe about 18 or so replies currently,
> I shall get to them as soon as I may.
I get it... I really don't know why so many people have such a fear of
> Snow:
> It is a pleasure to meet you. I have heard of you
> by reputation, but never met you. I understand
> your reputation a little now. I am currently a part
> time resident atheist around here. A former
> Messianic, though in a nutshell, my love grew cold.
> So I am currently an atheist that consistently points
> towards the instruction. LOL. I look forward to
> reading more from you.
>
> To all:
> Yes, I know I owe about 18 or so replies currently,
> I shall get to them as soon as I may.
intimacy and I'm not saying you are one. I can appreciate you are
being plain spoken with me so I'll be up front, I can appreciate
atheist, even respect where the idea comes from because love does 'wax
cold' especially around these chat boards filled with so many "LOVING"
Christian examples.
You know, people simply refuse to see that we don't learn to follow
other peoples words... We follow their actions and if I were to say
who would be 'saved' around here, I point to You and Ole Catholic
Duke, although given some of his recent comments, maybe he's been
posting around here to long too. You know, I'm reminded of my
favorite story of "The good Samaritan"... Who was the guy that Yeshua
said was his neighbor? After the priest walked by crossing the road
all devout and holy... It was the stranger that stopped and cared for
his fellow man.
Your faith is still buried under all those scars brother and I'm fine
with you believing what ever you want to say... Thomas Jefferson once
said, “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty
gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
I'm fine with your religion being compassion... No doubt I'll meet
you on the other side. (HUGS) Thank you for your kind words friend.
Love always,
Mark
Ike
May 10, 2013, 2:54:05 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 7:27 PM, Snow wrote:
> On May 10, 9:04 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
> <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Whatever .... LOL
>
> What�s fascinating about Paul is that he is double minded and self
> On May 10, 9:04 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
> <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Whatever .... LOL
>
> serving.
Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 3:02:49 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 7:07 AM, Michael Antichrist wrote:
> If you don't worship Jesus, you don't worship God.
False statement, as Jesus is "God," but Jesus is not ALL that is God,
> If you don't worship Jesus, you don't worship God.
which is why Jesus worshiped the "Father," apart from Himself,
otherwise, He would have just prayed to Himself (which would have been
bizarre).
And who else did Jesus worship?
Answer: THE DISCIPLES, even to the point of washing their feet as if He
were their slave.
Here's a hint about what's going with this split dichotomy,
antichristian. (Not that you'll ever get it.)
"Whoever would be great among, he must be your servant; and whoever
would be first among you, he must be slave of all."
Ike
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May 10, 2013, 4:38:29 AM5/10/13
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TCross
Terry Cross
May 10, 2013, 4:39:34 AM5/10/13
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On May 9, 11:54 pm, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/9/2013 7:27 PM, Snow wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 9:04 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
> > <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Whatever .... LOL
>
> > What s fascinating about Paul is that he is double minded and self
> On 5/9/2013 7:27 PM, Snow wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 9:04 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
> > <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Whatever .... LOL
>
> > serving.
>
> Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
>
> Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
> anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
Ike, I have asked you for a source on that information. Do you have
>
> Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
>
> Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
> anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
it handy, please?
TCross
Snow
May 10, 2013, 6:23:51 AM5/10/13
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On May 10, 4:54 pm, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
>
> Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
> anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
>
> Ike
Whether Paul helped write or directly wrote the entire New Testament
> Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
>
> Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
> anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
>
> Ike
does nothing to change my belief Ike. I am perfectly fine with you
believing that. Since I was not a witness to the events you speak of,
I will defer to your vastly superior first hand knowledge and give
that to you that you must be right.
Since you are correct, that means to me that his confusion is even
worse than I had originally understood since, Yeshua preached on the
Sabbath and told his people:
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the
Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete.
Well, I'm sorry to inform you Ike but many prophesies in the old
testament simply never happened. So, clearly his mission still isn't
completed and you are sitting back waiting for them to be fulfilled...
I wouldn't want to be a resident of Damascus, the oldest city in the
world that still hasn't been destroyed... You know the one.
Isa 17:1 The message concerning Damascus. “See, Damascus ceases to be
a city, and shall become a heap of ruins.
So, you can't tell me that 'all has been completed"... it simply isn't
logical. So... You know what that means... right?
Look, you and me simply are never going to agree. So why bother
talking to me? Do you have no desire to follow the teachings of your
Savior?
Well, I probably shouldn't ask that because I pretty much already know
the answer. Look, I hope that you manage to work things out for
yourself.
I hope you remember one thing.. Paul said the greatest command was
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou
shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now, I'm certain in some way shape or form you think your mean
spirited post are some form a demonstration of love.. I don't see it
like that so, try a new approach and stop being such a control freak.
I wish you all the best. You follow your apostle... I won't.
Take care. Be blessed.
Snow
May 10, 2013, 6:32:15 AM5/10/13
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On May 10, 5:23 pm, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Love always,
>
> > Mark
>
> the guitar player, who has posted their songs?
No, I think you are thinking of Mark T. Definitely not me. I don't
care for all of his hatred and I'm definitely no anti-religious
(contrary to any other opinion) like Mr. Tindall. When I'm not
wasting a few moments posting on these message boards, I work for
world peace.
Hope you have a great day. Be blessed Pete.
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Love always,
>
> > Mark
>
> the guitar player, who has posted their songs?
No, I think you are thinking of Mark T. Definitely not me. I don't
care for all of his hatred and I'm definitely no anti-religious
(contrary to any other opinion) like Mr. Tindall. When I'm not
wasting a few moments posting on these message boards, I work for
world peace.
Hope you have a great day. Be blessed Pete.
Ike
May 10, 2013, 8:40:40 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 10:30 PM, Snow wrote:
> On May 10, 10:51 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
> <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Matthew 28:19
>> Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
>> baptizing them in the name
>> of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
>>
>> Notice: Name singular, three persons
>
> Yes... SINGULAR is correct... The name of the Father. YAHWEH
And the Word proves you're a liar, antichristian.
> On May 10, 10:51 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"
> <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Matthew 28:19
>> Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
>> baptizing them in the name
>> of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
>>
>> Notice: Name singular, three persons
>
> Yes... SINGULAR is correct... The name of the Father. YAHWEH
In the following story, one person (Jesus Christ) is referred to as 1)
the man of God (which he confirms), 2) the angel of God, and 3) God, period.
And that perfectly matches what Isaiah, John, et al said...
Jud 13:
2 And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites,
whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not.
3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her,
Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive,
and bear a son.
4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong
drink, and eat not any unclean thing:
5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come
on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb:
and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.
6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came
unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of
God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he
me his name:
7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and
now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for
the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.
8 ¶ Then Manoah intreated the LORD, and said, O my Lord, let the man of
God which thou didst send come again unto us, and teach us what we shall
do unto the child that shall be born.
9 And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came
again unto the woman as she sat in the field: but Manoah her husband was
not with her.
10 And the woman made haste, and ran, and shewed her husband, and said
unto him, Behold, the man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me the
other day.
11 And Manoah arose, and went after his wife, and came to the man, and
said unto him, Art thou the man that spakest unto the woman? And he
said, I am.
12 And Manoah said, Now let thy words come to pass. How shall we order
the child, and how shall we do unto him?
13 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto
the woman let her beware.
14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let
her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I
commanded her let her observe.
15 ¶ And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, I pray thee, let us
detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee.
16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I
will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou
must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of
the LORD.
17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that
when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after
my name, seeing it is secret?
19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a
rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his
wife looked on.
20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off
the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the
altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to
the ground.
21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his
wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have
seen God.
23 But his wife said unto him, If the LORD were pleased to kill us, he
would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our
hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at
this time have told us such things as these.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 8:42:18 AM5/10/13
to
On 5/10/2013 6:23 AM, Snow wrote:
> On May 10, 4:54 pm, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
>>
>> Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
>> anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
>>
>> Ike
>
> Whether Paul helped write or directly wrote the entire New Testament
> does nothing to change my belief Ike.
Because you're an antichristian demon, and it doesn't matter what the
> On May 10, 4:54 pm, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, here we go with the Paul bashing again.
>>
>> Hey, Genius: PAUL HELPED WRITE THE GOSPELS, so how could you know
>> anything about Jesus OTHER than what PAUL WROTE?
>>
>> Ike
>
> Whether Paul helped write or directly wrote the entire New Testament
> does nothing to change my belief Ike.
Word says, or what the historical facts are, you're going to blaspheme
the Word until you arrive in hell...
...and then you're going to have the nerve to ask, "why?"
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 8:47:50 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 7:18 AM, Snow wrote:
[snippeth]
> Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
No, the Messiah is THE "incarnated deity," Satan.
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
That's not what He said, heretic.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing:
That simply means that Jesus can't do anything ALONE, which is correct.
That in no way undermines the fact that Jesus is God; only that He is
not ALL that is "God," a fact that was established all the way back in
Genesis, when the author toggled between the singular and plural for
both God and man.
> In order to maintain dogma, TRINITY Christianity relies on
> mistranslation and man-made tradition and removing the name of the
> Almighty from scriptures.
Rhetorical bullshit.
The Trinity is declared ALL THROUGH THE WORD, Old and New, satanic
heretic, from Genesis to Revelation.
Ike
[snippeth]
> Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
No, the Messiah is THE "incarnated deity," Satan.
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
That's not what He said, heretic.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing:
That in no way undermines the fact that Jesus is God; only that He is
not ALL that is "God," a fact that was established all the way back in
Genesis, when the author toggled between the singular and plural for
both God and man.
> In order to maintain dogma, TRINITY Christianity relies on
> mistranslation and man-made tradition and removing the name of the
> Almighty from scriptures.
Rhetorical bullshit.
The Trinity is declared ALL THROUGH THE WORD, Old and New, satanic
heretic, from Genesis to Revelation.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 8:49:46 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 9:32 AM, Snow wrote
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> Not very almighty if you ask me.
You don't even know what the "Almighty" is, Satan, i.e. the
mono-poly/poly-mono God, of which Jesus is the 1) King of kings, 2) Lord
of lords, and 3) God of gods.
Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, antichristian.
Ike
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
> Not very almighty if you ask me.
You don't even know what the "Almighty" is, Satan, i.e. the
mono-poly/poly-mono God, of which Jesus is the 1) King of kings, 2) Lord
of lords, and 3) God of gods.
Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, antichristian.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 8:53:23 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 11:26 AM, Snow wrote:
[snippeth]
> I sit here falsely accused as is your tradition. I forgive you. I’m
> certain you know not what you are doing but like your Pharisee father,
> I’m certain you will continue to make accusations. But if it is as
> you say, then how come he calls out to HIS DEITY even in the YOUR
> VERSION of scripture?
>
> Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
> saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God,
> why hast thou forsaken me?
You have no idea what you're messing with, Satan.
> Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
> saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My
> God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
>
> First off if he is the Almighty, why is he crying out, “MY GOD” and
> how could he forsake himself?
Because God is THREE-WHO-ARE-ONE--the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit (which Themselves are incorporations of larger groups).
Unfortunately, one-digit mental midgets like you can't think in
composites, paradoxes, and three-dimensionally, which is why blasphemies
flow from your mouths.
Ike
[snippeth]
> I sit here falsely accused as is your tradition. I forgive you. I’m
> certain you know not what you are doing but like your Pharisee father,
> I’m certain you will continue to make accusations. But if it is as
> you say, then how come he calls out to HIS DEITY even in the YOUR
> VERSION of scripture?
>
> Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
> saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God,
> why hast thou forsaken me?
You have no idea what you're messing with, Satan.
> Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
> saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My
> God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
>
> First off if he is the Almighty, why is he crying out, “MY GOD” and
> how could he forsake himself?
Because God is THREE-WHO-ARE-ONE--the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit (which Themselves are incorporations of larger groups).
Unfortunately, one-digit mental midgets like you can't think in
composites, paradoxes, and three-dimensionally, which is why blasphemies
flow from your mouths.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 8:55:41 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 12:14 PM, Dupe wrote:
>> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his �heavenly
>> Father�. In fact, one point that most people don�t consider as to if
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
Abraham was, I am.
Try telling this one in Mass sometime, and we'll see how quickly the
priests show your heretical ass to the door.
Ike
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> One of the first things I�ve noticed is that Yeshua didn�t preach
>
>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his �heavenly
>> Father�. In fact, one point that most people don�t consider as to if
>> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
>> �temptation�.
>
> Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
> obedience to his Father. And beside, Jesus presented himself to humankind as
> Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
> fully man, not as divinity.
Blasphemer.
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
Abraham was, I am.
Try telling this one in Mass sometime, and we'll see how quickly the
priests show your heretical ass to the door.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 9:03:00 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 12:16 PM, Dupe the Ignorant wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 06:44:57 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,
>> Antichristian.
>>
>> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
>> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
>> wrote and what the Gospels say.
>
> Paul didn't write the Gospels.
I didn't say "Paul wrote the Gospels," you illiterate idiot.
I said Paul was INSTRUMENTAL IN WRITING THE GOSPELS, which He was, asshole.
Paul was a traveling companion of both Mark and Luke.
So who told Mark and Luke what Herod said behind closed doors? Or
Caiaphas? or the Sanhedrin?
Who knew the precise moment when the Pharisees decided to get Jesus killed?
Who knew what arrangements were made between Judas Iscariot and the
Sanhedrin?
How come there is a plethora of stories about Jesus' encounters with
various Romans and the Pharisees, but there is scant mention of the
Sadducees, and no mention at all of the Essenes?
The DISCIPLES weren't privy to this information.
Mark and Luke (whose writings became the baseline of Matthew and John)
weren't privy to this information.
No, this information came from a little man who was a Roman citizen and
a Rabbinical student around the time that Jesus was crucified, and he
heard all the stories, and the bragging, and the secrets, and he later
fed this information to his traveling companions...AND HIS NAME WAS PAUL.
Ike
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 06:44:57 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> LOL
>> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>>
>> There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,
>> Antichristian.
>>
>> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
>> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
>> wrote and what the Gospels say.
>
> Paul didn't write the Gospels.
I didn't say "Paul wrote the Gospels," you illiterate idiot.
I said Paul was INSTRUMENTAL IN WRITING THE GOSPELS, which He was, asshole.
Paul was a traveling companion of both Mark and Luke.
So who told Mark and Luke what Herod said behind closed doors? Or
Caiaphas? or the Sanhedrin?
Who knew the precise moment when the Pharisees decided to get Jesus killed?
Who knew what arrangements were made between Judas Iscariot and the
Sanhedrin?
How come there is a plethora of stories about Jesus' encounters with
various Romans and the Pharisees, but there is scant mention of the
Sadducees, and no mention at all of the Essenes?
The DISCIPLES weren't privy to this information.
Mark and Luke (whose writings became the baseline of Matthew and John)
weren't privy to this information.
No, this information came from a little man who was a Roman citizen and
a Rabbinical student around the time that Jesus was crucified, and he
heard all the stories, and the bragging, and the secrets, and he later
fed this information to his traveling companions...AND HIS NAME WAS PAUL.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 9:05:26 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 12:18 PM, Dupe the Ignorant wrote:
> Snow, you as a non Christian have a better understanding than these protest_ant
> clowns.
No, Snow's outright blasphemies are simply bringing our your
antichristian, anticatholic heresies, moron.
Ike
> Snow, you as a non Christian have a better understanding than these protest_ant
> clowns.
No, Snow's outright blasphemies are simply bringing our your
antichristian, anticatholic heresies, moron.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 9:08:06 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 3:01 PM, Snow wrote:
> Num 23:19 El is NOT A MAN, that he should lie
LOL
Now for the paradox:
Ex 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
So, the Lord is a man, but not a man, just as Isaiah, and John, and the
other prophets said...and His Name is JESUS CHRIST.
Ignorant fool.
Ike
> Num 23:19 El is NOT A MAN, that he should lie
LOL
Now for the paradox:
Ex 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
So, the Lord is a man, but not a man, just as Isaiah, and John, and the
other prophets said...and His Name is JESUS CHRIST.
Ignorant fool.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 9:12:09 AM5/10/13
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On 5/9/2013 4:23 PM, Snow wrote:
> Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
What an idiot: The term "Father" as used in the New Testament did NOT
show up in the Old Testament.
Why?
BECAUSE THE DESIGNATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT PERSONS OF GOD WASN'T
NECESSARY UNTIL THE ADVENT OF THE SON, you idiot.
And OF COURSE the FATHER would be "greater than" THE SON, in that
relative aspect.
But the fact that He IS Jesus' Father DECLARES THAT JESUS IS GOD, for
pigs sire pigs, and cows sire cows, and GOD CAN SIRE NO LESS THAN HIMSELF.
Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, you satanic
antichristian blasphemer.
Ike
> Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
What an idiot: The term "Father" as used in the New Testament did NOT
show up in the Old Testament.
Why?
BECAUSE THE DESIGNATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT PERSONS OF GOD WASN'T
NECESSARY UNTIL THE ADVENT OF THE SON, you idiot.
And OF COURSE the FATHER would be "greater than" THE SON, in that
relative aspect.
But the fact that He IS Jesus' Father DECLARES THAT JESUS IS GOD, for
pigs sire pigs, and cows sire cows, and GOD CAN SIRE NO LESS THAN HIMSELF.
Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, you satanic
antichristian blasphemer.
Ike
Ike
May 10, 2013, 9:15:42 AM5/10/13
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Mt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword.
Ike
Michael Christ
May 10, 2013, 9:27:27 AM5/10/13
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On May 10, 9:12 pm, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/9/2013 4:23 PM, Snow wrote:
>
> > Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
> On 5/9/2013 4:23 PM, Snow wrote:
>
> > Joh 14:28 My Father is GREATER than I.
Ike wrote:
> What an idiot: The term "Father" as used in the New Testament did NOT
> show up in the Old Testament.
>
> Why?
>
> BECAUSE THE DESIGNATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT PERSONS OF GOD WASN'T
> NECESSARY UNTIL THE ADVENT OF THE SON, you idiot.
>
> And OF COURSE the FATHER would be "greater than" THE SON, in that
> relative aspect.
>
> But the fact that He IS Jesus' Father DECLARES THAT JESUS IS GOD, for
> pigs sire pigs, and cows sire cows, and GOD CAN SIRE NO LESS THAN HIMSELF.
>
> Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, you satanic
> antichristian blasphemer.
>
> Ike
Well said, Moron. Some good points.
> What an idiot: The term "Father" as used in the New Testament did NOT
> show up in the Old Testament.
>
> Why?
>
> BECAUSE THE DESIGNATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT PERSONS OF GOD WASN'T
> NECESSARY UNTIL THE ADVENT OF THE SON, you idiot.
>
> And OF COURSE the FATHER would be "greater than" THE SON, in that
> relative aspect.
>
> But the fact that He IS Jesus' Father DECLARES THAT JESUS IS GOD, for
> pigs sire pigs, and cows sire cows, and GOD CAN SIRE NO LESS THAN HIMSELF.
>
> Let me know when you get a clue that you don't have a clue, you satanic
> antichristian blasphemer.
>
> Ike
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 10, 2013, 9:30:13 AM5/10/13
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The world is damned, Snowy.
Damned I tell you, damned. :-).
You see what your religion amounts to?? A waste of time.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 10, 2013, 9:35:50 AM5/10/13
to
> > On Thu, 9 May 2013 02:51:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> >> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> >> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> >> One of the first things I’ve noticed is that Yeshua didn’t preach
>
> >> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
> >> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
> >> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>
> >> about himself, he always tried to lead people to his ‘heavenly
> >> Father’. In fact, one point that most people don’t consider as to if
> >> Yeshua sought to be worshiped is the story in Matthew 4 about the
> >> ‘temptation’.
>
> > Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
> > obedience to his Father. And beside, Jesus presented himself to humankind as
> > fully man, not as divinity.
> > Snow, old buddy. That' exactly right. Jesus taught us to follow him in
> > obedience to his Father. And beside, Jesus presented himself to humankind as
> > fully man, not as divinity.
Ike wrote:
> Blasphemer.
>
> Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
> Abraham was, I am.
>
> Try telling this one in Mass sometime, and we'll see how quickly the
> priests show your heretical ass to the door.
>
> Ike
Again, I agree. Sheesh, what are you trying to do, bozo?? Bamboozle
> Blasphemer.
>
> Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
> Abraham was, I am.
>
> Try telling this one in Mass sometime, and we'll see how quickly the
> priests show your heretical ass to the door.
>
> Ike
me??!!
A point of note though, I would not suggest you mention the word 'ass'
around catholic priests.
Michael Christ
Snow
May 10, 2013, 10:21:30 AM5/10/13
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what you think or believe. Take care and be blessed.
Snow
May 10, 2013, 10:28:50 AM5/10/13
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On May 10, 11:30 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Another fine "Christian" example set. Thank you for sharing and have
a blessed day.
wrote:
a blessed day.
Michael Christ
May 10, 2013, 10:37:23 AM5/10/13
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On May 10, 10:28 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 10, 11:30 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 6:32 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 5:23 pm, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 9 May 2013 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Love always,
>
> > > > > Mark
>
> > > > the guitar player, who has posted their songs?
>
> > > No, I think you are thinking of Mark T. Definitely not me. I don't
> > > care for all of his hatred and I'm definitely no anti-religious
> > > (contrary to any other opinion) like Mr. Tindall. When I'm not
> > > wasting a few moments posting on these message boards, I work for
> > > world peace.
>
> > World peace???
>
> > The world is damned, Snowy.
>
> > Damned I tell you, damned. :-).
>
> > You see what your religion amounts to?? A waste of time.
> On May 10, 11:30 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 6:32 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 5:23 pm, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 9 May 2013 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Love always,
>
> > > > > Mark
>
> > > > the guitar player, who has posted their songs?
>
> > > No, I think you are thinking of Mark T. Definitely not me. I don't
> > > care for all of his hatred and I'm definitely no anti-religious
> > > (contrary to any other opinion) like Mr. Tindall. When I'm not
> > > wasting a few moments posting on these message boards, I work for
> > > world peace.
>
> > World peace???
>
> > The world is damned, Snowy.
>
> > Damned I tell you, damned. :-).
>
> > You see what your religion amounts to?? A waste of time.
> Another fine "Christian" example set. Thank you for sharing and have
> a blessed day.
Reality is not obscured by superficial wishes...
> a blessed day.
Snow wrote:
> > No, I think you are thinking of Mark T. Definitely not me. I don't
> > care for all of his hatred and I'm definitely no anti-religious
> > (contrary to any other opinion) like Mr. Tindall. When I'm not
> > wasting a few moments posting on these message boards, I work for
> > world peace.
World peace???
The world is damned, Snowy.
Michael Christ
Snow
May 10, 2013, 10:42:41 AM5/10/13
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On May 11, 12:37 am, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> World peace???
>
> The world is damned, Snowy.
>
> Reality is coming calling, Buddy.
>
> Michael Christ
So you deny first off that Yeshua saved the world and you deny the
prophesy that says we will have World Peace, OK. I'm fine with what
you believe. Thank you for sharing.
One of the greatest ironies in the world is the fact that the two
prophets of the bible predicted world peace over at least two thousand
years ago and the religious communities who claim to believe the
prophet are usually the ones who will be first to tell you, “World
peace is impossible.”
The one they call “Jesus” taught that nothing was impossible
The prophets even explained how it would come about…
Isaiah and Micah spoke of a time when mankind would change its focus
from one of murder, war and domination of each other to instead work
together as one to feed the world. I think me and you are meant to
build farms everywhere and reclaim deserts. To protect our
environment and move finally into a clean, green energy future.
Consider this… In terms of human labor, feeding the world would be
much more productive and would result in millions of jobs worldwide in
everything from farming to distribution and sales. Warfare is
actually the backward way of doing business. Any cave man can destroy
something... it takes vision to create a future.
People need to be building the future and they need to be able to buy
the technology. It means we need investment and people of VISION
building the infrastructure for a super economy that divest wealth to
a dynamic society of people, creating unlimited potential in a large,
diverse international middle class.
So instead, we send troops.
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish
The answers of this world are solved by those seeking to fulfill a
need for another human being.
The prophet taught, “They shall refashion their weapons into farm
equipment, and their hunting equipment into tools. People will never
take up weapons against other people and no one will teach violence
anymore.”
I don’t know about you but I look forward to that day. Take care.
wrote:
> World peace???
>
> The world is damned, Snowy.
>
> Reality is coming calling, Buddy.
>
> Michael Christ
prophesy that says we will have World Peace, OK. I'm fine with what
you believe. Thank you for sharing.
One of the greatest ironies in the world is the fact that the two
prophets of the bible predicted world peace over at least two thousand
years ago and the religious communities who claim to believe the
prophet are usually the ones who will be first to tell you, “World
peace is impossible.”
The one they call “Jesus” taught that nothing was impossible
The prophets even explained how it would come about…
Isaiah and Micah spoke of a time when mankind would change its focus
from one of murder, war and domination of each other to instead work
together as one to feed the world. I think me and you are meant to
build farms everywhere and reclaim deserts. To protect our
environment and move finally into a clean, green energy future.
Consider this… In terms of human labor, feeding the world would be
much more productive and would result in millions of jobs worldwide in
everything from farming to distribution and sales. Warfare is
actually the backward way of doing business. Any cave man can destroy
something... it takes vision to create a future.
People need to be building the future and they need to be able to buy
the technology. It means we need investment and people of VISION
building the infrastructure for a super economy that divest wealth to
a dynamic society of people, creating unlimited potential in a large,
diverse international middle class.
So instead, we send troops.
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish
The answers of this world are solved by those seeking to fulfill a
need for another human being.
The prophet taught, “They shall refashion their weapons into farm
equipment, and their hunting equipment into tools. People will never
take up weapons against other people and no one will teach violence
anymore.”
I don’t know about you but I look forward to that day. Take care.
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Michael Christ
May 10, 2013, 11:34:27 AM5/10/13
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There will be a new heaven and a new earth.
World peace is for the humanist, not for a son of God.
This world is passing away right before your eyes.
Michael Christ
duke
May 10, 2013, 11:45:32 AM5/10/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:48:50 -0700, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>Yes, indeed, many murderers and rapists who given faith by God will receive
>Jesus in their hearts and will be in heaven as the rest of the Believers.
>Paul, the apostle being one of them, the thief on the cross another.
Paul was taught by Jesus on the road to Damascus. But the thief on the cross
thought he was dealing with a messiah,ie, a warrior king.
>We are all saved simply because we believed, and believed in Jesus. Thank
>God for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
But if you don't repent, confess and follow, you can kiss your faith goodbye.
Those that don't no longer have sacrifice for sins left, but only the fires of
hell. Heb 10:26-27.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
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>Yes, indeed, many murderers and rapists who given faith by God will receive
>Jesus in their hearts and will be in heaven as the rest of the Believers.
>Paul, the apostle being one of them, the thief on the cross another.
Paul was taught by Jesus on the road to Damascus. But the thief on the cross
thought he was dealing with a messiah,ie, a warrior king.
>We are all saved simply because we believed, and believed in Jesus. Thank
>God for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
But if you don't repent, confess and follow, you can kiss your faith goodbye.
Those that don't no longer have sacrifice for sins left, but only the fires of
hell. Heb 10:26-27.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************
duke
May 10, 2013, 11:46:28 AM5/10/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 14:31:15 -0700, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>On Thu, 9 May 2013 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>> On May 10, 5:48�am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>>
>>>> Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, �Good Teacher, what good
>>>> shall I do to have everlasting life?�
>>>> Mat 19:17 And He said to him, �Why do you call Me good? No one is good
>>>> except One � Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
>>>> commands.�1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
>>>> Mat 19:18 He said to Him, �Which?� And Yehoshua said, � �You shall not
>>>> murder,� �You shall not commit adultery,� �You shall not steal,� �You
>>>> shall not bear false witness,�
>>>> Mat 19:19 �Respect your father and your mother,� and �You shall love
>>>> your neighbour as yourself.� �
>>>
>>> And Jesus was speaking to those under the law, just as He was in that day.
>>> Jesus had not yet paid the price as our sacrifice of the Lamb to be slain
>>> for the sin of the whole earth. He was bound to keep the Law as long as it
>>> was in effect, which was concluded or finished with His death.
>>
>> Of course your Jesus wasn't speaking to you. LOL You get to pick and
>> choose what part of his teachings apply to you because you 'believe'.
>> I really am fine with you believing what you want but please don't
>> assume that I have to care or agree.
>You say you know the Torah, yet you know nothing of covenants. Nor do you
>respect them.
Pete, a covenant is another word for an agreement.
>On Thu, 9 May 2013 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>> On May 10, 5:48�am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>>
>>>> Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, �Good Teacher, what good
>>>> shall I do to have everlasting life?�
>>>> Mat 19:17 And He said to him, �Why do you call Me good? No one is good
>>>> except One � Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
>>>> commands.�1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
>>>> Mat 19:18 He said to Him, �Which?� And Yehoshua said, � �You shall not
>>>> murder,� �You shall not commit adultery,� �You shall not steal,� �You
>>>> shall not bear false witness,�
>>>> Mat 19:19 �Respect your father and your mother,� and �You shall love
>>>> your neighbour as yourself.� �
>>>
>>> And Jesus was speaking to those under the law, just as He was in that day.
>>> Jesus had not yet paid the price as our sacrifice of the Lamb to be slain
>>> for the sin of the whole earth. He was bound to keep the Law as long as it
>>> was in effect, which was concluded or finished with His death.
>>
>> Of course your Jesus wasn't speaking to you. LOL You get to pick and
>> choose what part of his teachings apply to you because you 'believe'.
>> I really am fine with you believing what you want but please don't
>> assume that I have to care or agree.
>You say you know the Torah, yet you know nothing of covenants. Nor do you
>respect them.
Pete, a covenant is another word for an agreement.
duke
May 10, 2013, 11:56:51 AM5/10/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 11:11:41 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On May 10, 3:59 am, " "" wrote:
>> >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
>> And Jesus Christ spoke of himself twice as being God, "I am" and "the
>> father and I ar one". And those jews present sought to kill Him for they
>> knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
>>
>> And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
>> the god man incarnate.
>
>If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
>existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
>cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
It's easily explained as Jesus is God become flesh. He became flesh to show
other flesh the way to eternal salvation. Which is to say that the obedient
flesh died on the cross in obedience to his Father and hence was rewarded by the
Father in resurrection.
Now Jesus was fully flesh and fully divine, born of flesh in Mary and divine in
God. But he taught his mission seen only as flesh. What man could follow
divinity.
Philippians 2:6-8 (New International Version)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
>You see, either you must say that he was not truly dead, in which case
>you deny that he died and all of Christianity is a bold face lie or..
>you must admit that a power outside of the MAN who was known as Yeshua
>was running the show.. That power was the creator and his name is
>YAHWEH. You may not know this friend because his name was removed
>from your scriptures... try a restored name version of scriptures.
Very good. You need to teach pete something new.
>On May 10, 3:59 am, " "" wrote:
>> >> Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do ANY matter.
>
>> father and I ar one". And those jews present sought to kill Him for they
>> knew very well His declaration of His being God in those words.
>>
>> And John wrote that the "Word became flesh and dwelt among us" as Christ
>> the god man incarnate.
>
>If "Christ" is the word, who is the one who spoke the word into
>existence? and next... clearly you believe that your deity died on the
>cross, correct? If he was DEAD, then who raised him from that state?
It's easily explained as Jesus is God become flesh. He became flesh to show
other flesh the way to eternal salvation. Which is to say that the obedient
flesh died on the cross in obedience to his Father and hence was rewarded by the
Father in resurrection.
Now Jesus was fully flesh and fully divine, born of flesh in Mary and divine in
God. But he taught his mission seen only as flesh. What man could follow
divinity.
Philippians 2:6-8 (New International Version)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
>You see, either you must say that he was not truly dead, in which case
>you deny that he died and all of Christianity is a bold face lie or..
>you must admit that a power outside of the MAN who was known as Yeshua
>was running the show.. That power was the creator and his name is
>YAHWEH. You may not know this friend because his name was removed
>from your scriptures... try a restored name version of scriptures.
Very good. You need to teach pete something new.
duke
May 10, 2013, 11:58:48 AM5/10/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 10:07:44 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
>he presumes to know the answer too.
He definitely doesn't.
>>Would you care to explain why it is necessary to go through Jesus to see
>>God, become a member of Gods Kingdom, to be saved eternally.
>Isa 42:6 �I, YAHWEH, have called You in righteousness, and I take hold
>of Your hand and guard You, and give You for a covenant to a people,
>for a light to the gentiles,
>Yeshua was, �a light TO the gentiles.� Gentiles would not have
>received the command of Yahweh except it was ordained by the prophet
>that Yeshua would come to save them from the curse of disobedience of
>the Torah. You see, �the curse� is not the Torah but if you do not
>live by his command.
>Joh 12:50 �And I know that His command is everlasting life.�
>Not �my command� � His command.
>
>>Explain just how God and Jesus are one?
>Joh 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I
>in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe
>that YOU have SENT ME.
>In the same manner he taught, �ALL may be ONE�. That doesn�t make you
>and me a deity too, does it? Just as a man and wife �become one�.
>Clearly you understand that they aren�t really the same entity, only
>that they agree and stand UNITED as one.
>
>>Explain how Jesus is "The Son of God"?
>
>The same way that ALL are children of the most high.
>
>Psa 82:6 I, I said, �You are elohim, and ALL of you are children of
>the Most High.
>
>That doesn�t make me a deity to be worshiped in your religion does
>it? I am after all the brother of Yeshua�
>
>Mat 12:50 �For whoever does the desire of My Father WHO IS IN THE
>HEAVENS is My brother and sister and mother.�
>
>>Explain how when one prays to the Father for anything, whether it be for
>>physical or spiritual needs that it is Jesus whose actions fulfill the
>>prayers?
>
>That is only according to your tradition.
>
>Joh 10:25 ????? (Yeshua) answered them, �I have told you, and you do
>not believe. The works that I do in MY FATHER'S NAME, they bear
>witness concerning Me.
>What he does, what I do, is in the name of OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.
>
>Well, that�s it.. Hope you enjoyed my answers and have a blessed day.
>Take care.
>In typical Pharisee fashion, Pete has placed many question to me that
>he presumes to know the answer too.
He definitely doesn't.
>>Would you care to explain why it is necessary to go through Jesus to see
>>God, become a member of Gods Kingdom, to be saved eternally.
>Isa 42:6 �I, YAHWEH, have called You in righteousness, and I take hold
>of Your hand and guard You, and give You for a covenant to a people,
>for a light to the gentiles,
>Yeshua was, �a light TO the gentiles.� Gentiles would not have
>received the command of Yahweh except it was ordained by the prophet
>that Yeshua would come to save them from the curse of disobedience of
>the Torah. You see, �the curse� is not the Torah but if you do not
>live by his command.
>Joh 12:50 �And I know that His command is everlasting life.�
>Not �my command� � His command.
>
>>Explain just how God and Jesus are one?
>Joh 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I
>in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe
>that YOU have SENT ME.
>In the same manner he taught, �ALL may be ONE�. That doesn�t make you
>and me a deity too, does it? Just as a man and wife �become one�.
>Clearly you understand that they aren�t really the same entity, only
>that they agree and stand UNITED as one.
>
>>Explain how Jesus is "The Son of God"?
>
>The same way that ALL are children of the most high.
>
>Psa 82:6 I, I said, �You are elohim, and ALL of you are children of
>the Most High.
>
>That doesn�t make me a deity to be worshiped in your religion does
>it? I am after all the brother of Yeshua�
>
>Mat 12:50 �For whoever does the desire of My Father WHO IS IN THE
>HEAVENS is My brother and sister and mother.�
>
>>Explain how when one prays to the Father for anything, whether it be for
>>physical or spiritual needs that it is Jesus whose actions fulfill the
>>prayers?
>
>That is only according to your tradition.
>
>Joh 10:25 ????? (Yeshua) answered them, �I have told you, and you do
>not believe. The works that I do in MY FATHER'S NAME, they bear
>witness concerning Me.
>What he does, what I do, is in the name of OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.
>
>Well, that�s it.. Hope you enjoyed my answers and have a blessed day.
>Take care.
duke
May 10, 2013, 12:37:35 PM5/10/13
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:28:25 -0700, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>The scripture says to arm ones self until that day comes. That day is not
>brought about by men. That day which will be here very soon is the day the
>earth is ruled by Jesus. I realize that you will disagree with what
>scripture says here but that is the truth.
But Pete, you deny that Messiah is significant of a warrior king. If Jesus is
Lord of Heaven, why would he come back to lead a great horse written battle on
the plain against anybody? He battles against the enemies of God from his seat
on the right hand of the Father.
It appears you can't keep each half of your story straight.
>The scripture says to arm ones self until that day comes. That day is not
>brought about by men. That day which will be here very soon is the day the
>earth is ruled by Jesus. I realize that you will disagree with what
>scripture says here but that is the truth.
But Pete, you deny that Messiah is significant of a warrior king. If Jesus is
Lord of Heaven, why would he come back to lead a great horse written battle on
the plain against anybody? He battles against the enemies of God from his seat
on the right hand of the Father.
It appears you can't keep each half of your story straight.
duke
May 10, 2013, 12:49:47 PM5/10/13
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:03:00 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 5/9/2013 12:16 PM, Dupe the Ignorant wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 May 2013 06:44:57 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>>>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>>>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>>>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,
>>> Antichristian.
>>>
>>> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
>>> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
>>> wrote and what the Gospels say.
>>
>> Paul didn't write the Gospels.
>
>I didn't say "Paul wrote the Gospels," you illiterate idiot.
All depends on what you mean by "instrumental".
>On 5/9/2013 12:16 PM, Dupe the Ignorant wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 May 2013 06:44:57 -0400, Ike <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>>>> One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>>>> the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>>>> Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,
>>> Antichristian.
>>>
>>> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
>>> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
>>> wrote and what the Gospels say.
>>
>> Paul didn't write the Gospels.
>
>I didn't say "Paul wrote the Gospels," you illiterate idiot.
>I said Paul was INSTRUMENTAL IN WRITING THE GOSPELS, which He was, asshole.
>Paul was a traveling companion of both Mark and Luke.
>So who told Mark and Luke what Herod said behind closed doors? Or
>Caiaphas? or the Sanhedrin?
2 years after the cross. However, the gospels are a compilation of words,
teachings, actions, religious practices (Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papacy)
witnessed and experienced by the masses that knew Jesus and learned what he said
and did.
The only Gospel writer that actually knew Jesus was John.
duke
May 10, 2013, 12:53:18 PM5/10/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 10:11:28 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>On May 9, 3:44 am, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>>
>> > One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> > the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> > Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> There is no difference between what Jesus taught and what Paul wrote,d
>
>There are huge differences. Jesus gave one path for salvation, and
>Paul another. Here is what Jesus said:
>
>Mark 10:
>17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running,
>and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I
>may inherit eternal life?
>18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none
>good but one, that is, God.
>19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill,
>Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy
>father and mother.
>20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I
>observed from my youth.
>21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing
>thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the
>poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the
>cross, and follow me.
Luke 9:23-25 (New International Version)
23 Then he said to them all: �Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny
themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to
save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it.
25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit
their very self?
>And here is what Paul said:
>
>Acts 16:
>29. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and
>fell down before Paul and Silas,
>30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
>31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be
>saved, and thy house.
>32. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were
>in his house.
>
>TCross
wrote:
>On May 9, 3:44 am, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/9/2013 5:51 AM, Snow wrote:
>>
>> > One of the more interesting aspects to me about the new testament are
>> > the major theological differences between what Yeshua (also known as
>> > Jesus) of Nazareth taught, as compared to what Apostle Paul wrote.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>
>There are huge differences. Jesus gave one path for salvation, and
>Paul another. Here is what Jesus said:
>
>Mark 10:
>17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running,
>and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I
>may inherit eternal life?
>18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none
>good but one, that is, God.
>19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill,
>Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy
>father and mother.
>20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I
>observed from my youth.
>21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing
>thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the
>poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the
>cross, and follow me.
Luke 9:23-25 (New International Version)
23 Then he said to them all: �Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny
themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to
save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it.
25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit
their very self?
>And here is what Paul said:
>
>Acts 16:
>29. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and
>fell down before Paul and Silas,
>30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
>31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be
>saved, and thy house.
>32. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were
>in his house.
>
>> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
>> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
>> wrote and what the Gospels say.
>
>What is your source on Paul helping to write the Gospels, please?
>> In fact, Paul was instrumental in the writing of ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so
>> there's NO WAY that there could be any differences between what Paul
>> wrote and what the Gospels say.
>
>
>TCross
duke
May 10, 2013, 12:57:16 PM5/10/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On May 10, 2:18 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
>> >Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
>is more important than being right old friend. They may hate us, they
>may speak all kinds of evil and even we may disagree but one thing
>you... YOU taught me was the importance of love... Remember it
>yourself.
You speak truth. But the issue is that none of these will accept anything but
what they have been misled to believe. Even when faced with correcting
scripture, they will still deny revealed truth by whatever false statements come
to mind.
>Pray your fellow man is more compassionate that we deserve and that
>the people who might want to hate you, love their children too and
>focus on that. May compassion rule your day. Be blessed.
Most will mislead their own children rather that admit they are wrong. Pete is
still running around claiming God is a Holy Duality as he won't accept the Holy
Spirit as the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity.
Sometime the hard way is the best way to help them.
>On May 10, 2:18 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Joh 5:30 Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
>> >Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
>>
>> Snow, you as a non Christian have a better understanding than these protest_ant
>> clowns.
>>
>> Snow, you as a non Christian have a better understanding than these protest_ant
>> clowns.
>>
>> The dukester, American - American
>>
>> ********************************************
>> Repeal Obama
>> You simply can't fix stupid.
>> ********************************************
>
>Come on Duke.. Be kind. YOU are better than that... I know it. LOVE
>>
>> ********************************************
>> Repeal Obama
>> You simply can't fix stupid.
>> ********************************************
>
>is more important than being right old friend. They may hate us, they
>may speak all kinds of evil and even we may disagree but one thing
>you... YOU taught me was the importance of love... Remember it
>yourself.
You speak truth. But the issue is that none of these will accept anything but
what they have been misled to believe. Even when faced with correcting
scripture, they will still deny revealed truth by whatever false statements come
to mind.
>Pray your fellow man is more compassionate that we deserve and that
>the people who might want to hate you, love their children too and
>focus on that. May compassion rule your day. Be blessed.
Most will mislead their own children rather that admit they are wrong. Pete is
still running around claiming God is a Holy Duality as he won't accept the Holy
Spirit as the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity.
Sometime the hard way is the best way to help them.
duke
May 10, 2013, 12:58:33 PM5/10/13
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