[NSW] RUB carriage Set Arrangements & Info
Jonathan Lau
books I've seen don't have anything on RUB sets.
The info I require are:
- How were RUB sets arranged? (I think there were about 7-8 cars)
- Set & Carriage numbers?
- Dimensions, etc.
Thanks,
Jon Lau
Roderick Smith
loose carriages. Sets could easily be up or down a vehicle.
As at 1971:
RUB 140 & 141 (North Coast Daylight):
2xSBS-RS-OFS3xSFS-PHS
RUB 142 & 143 (Brisbane Limited)
wxSBS-RS-OFS-3xSFS-PHS
RUB 144 & 145 (Riverina Express)
SBS-RS-OBS-3xSFS-PHS
RUB 146 & 147 (Intercapital Daylight)
SFS-SFR-2xSFS-RS-OBS-3xSBS-PHS
These two had rollerbearings, and the first-class carriages retained 2+1
seating (those in other sets had been modified to 2+2).
I have the carriage numbers as at Jan.71, but too lengthy to post on
line, and possibly irrelevant.
There was an article in ARHS Bulletin c1954.
Jonathan Lau wrote:
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robson
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There are 11 lists of composition and marshalling of country and
suburban trains from 1939 to 1968.
Rob
Jonathan Lau
> The sets were different for different services, and there were several
> loose carriages. Sets could easily be up or down a vehicle.
>
> As at 1971:
> RUB 140 & 141 (North Coast Daylight):
> 2xSBS-RS-OFS3xSFS-PHS
>
> RUB 142 & 143 (Brisbane Limited)
> wxSBS-RS-OFS-3xSFS-PHS
>
> RUB 144 & 145 (Riverina Express)
> SBS-RS-OBS-3xSFS-PHS
>
> RUB 146 & 147 (Intercapital Daylight)
> SFS-SFR-2xSFS-RS-OBS-3xSBS-PHS
> These two had rollerbearings, and the first-class carriages retained 2+1
> seating (those in other sets had been modified to 2+2).
>
What did the "O" code in OFS/OBS stand for?
What was the difference between an RS and ABS coding on the Buffet car?
Thanks,
Jon Lau
Dave Proctor
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> What did the "O" code in OFS/OBS stand for?
The 'O' signified crew compartments for the conductor and the dining/buffet
crew.
> What was the difference between an RS and ABS coding on the Buffet car?
An RS had a counter running for most of the length of the carriage, seating
27 diners. The catering crew worked behind the counter. An ABS was an RS
converted to a dining car with 12 tables seating 4 each (similiar to the
Indian-Pacific and Snora diners).
Dave
Roderick Smith
The article to which I referred was in Nov.49 AR&LHS Bulletin, on the
introduction of these vehicles to Riverina Express. It includes plans of SFS,
OFS, RS, SBS & PHS vehicles.
Jonathan Lau wrote:
> What did the "O" code in OFS/OBS stand for?
>
> What was the difference between an RS and ABS coding on the Buffet car?
>
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geoff taylor
> Jonathan Lau wrote:
>
>> What did the "O" code in OFS/OBS stand for?
>>
>> What was the difference between an RS and ABS coding on the Buffet car?
>>
>
The O is really easy to remember!! It stands for "Ostess"!!!!!! :-) These
cars had a compartment set aside for the catering girls .... oops
hostesses!!
Cheers
Geoff
Dave Proctor
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Actually, that was the way it was explained to me a few years back. They
actually had two compartments, one for the conductor and hostess, the other
for the buffet crew.
Dave
Marc Hunt
Conductor. Normally marshalled close to the dining or refreshment cars.
RS Coded cars were the" Long Lunch Counter" type diner, as as you would
expect had a long counter that ran probably two thirds the length of the car
with patrons sitting shoulder to should (American style)
The ABS were dining room type cars with table and chairs rather than a long
"lunch counter"
For my 2 cents worth I like dthe RS Diners myself.
--
Marc Hunt
(ex-Enfield Guard0
Robert Bushby
Brisbane Limited frequently in the 60's, and it was most enjoyable sitting
side saddle on the swivelling stools in the middle of the night drinking
coffee and chatting to the TCS girls and quite often the conductor. (What
chances with the TCS "ostesses"!!)
My memories of the Limited are that the O type car was always on the First
Class Side of the Buffet, and was therefore an OBS, which is differs from
Jonathan Lau's consist lists. The O compartments were always at the Sydney
end of the carriage, and on the RH side of the aisle facing south. The
Buffet was used to divide the train into the First Class and Second Class
ends. Any comments from anyone about the O cars - was the consist changed in
the early 70's as first class ridership was probably dropping and "the
Brisbane end of the train" got busier?
The summer and school holiday consist back then usually was (from
Brisbane) MHO, 5 Sleepers, 2 First Sitters (incl O car), RS Buffet, 3
(occasionaly 4) Second Sitters, and PHS Power Van for about 630 tons from
memory. The first time I travelled south on the Limited, it had a pair of
43s up front, and still had a mixed consist of TAM and brand new Stainless
Steel Twinettes. There was a mix up in our bookings, and we were upgraded to
the new "Tin" sleepers. That was January School Hols in 1961. The Melbourne
Limited out of Sydney was still all "Wood", and the TAM was a bit of a let
down after the Tin for a young boy. But it didn't take long to realise TAM's
on the Brisbane Express were far preferable to the Tin cars - they road
better on the North Coast with 12 wheels, and you could open the windows!
And the rail roar on the quad track south of Maitland, was always guaranteed
to wake you up if you were sleeping soundly as the sun rose, so you always
got to have a look at Broady as you passed through.
Am gradually recreating the consists (and the memories) on the South Coast
Extended in HO.
--
Rob Bushby
South Coast Extended (HO - NSWGR)
(under construction)
Queenstown, Tasmania.
roma...@tassie.net.au
Hunslet
Robert Bushby wrote:
> Like Marc Hunt, I was also a fan of the RS cars.
You will therefore be pleased to read that one RS remains. All the others were
converted to ABS dining cars (okay, one was converted to a sitting car).
RS.1962 now forms part of the State Rail heritage collection, so it will
survive. It is supposed to be going to the Rail Transport Museum at Thirlmere,
but so far, the RTM has not collected the vehicle.
Hunslet.
Hunslet
Roderick Smith wrote:
There was an article in ARHS Bulletin c1954.
>
> Jonathan Lau wrote:
>
> > Would anyone have information on RUB carriage sets? All the reference
> > books I've seen don't have anything on RUB sets.
> >
Try the ARHS Bulletin for July & August 1975 - "Operation of
Air-Conditioned Trains in NSW" by R K Willson. Follow-up material appears
in Bulletins for 1/1976, 4/1976, 5/1976, 8/1976 & 4/1977.
Hunslet.
David Bromage
> Robert Bushby wrote:
> > Like Marc Hunt, I was also a fan of the RS cars.
> You will therefore be pleased to read that one RS remains. All the others were
> converted to ABS dining cars (okay, one was converted to a sitting car).
One of the North Coast Daylight sets had an ABS by the mid/late 70s. I
think the other had a mere RDH.
BTW, when did the Riverina become a DEB set?
Cheers
David
Dave Proctor
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Around 1976/77, I believe, after the failure of the 1200 class. It was
definitely a DEB in 1980 (I caught it from Junee to Sydney).
Dave
David Bromage
> Around 1976/77, I believe, after the failure of the 1200 class. It was
> definitely a DEB in 1980 (I caught it from Junee to Sydney).
And and XPT from 23/8/82.
Cheers
David
Marc Hunt
TCS gals !
Now there's taking rail fanning to a new level !
Robert Bushby
Matter of fact I liked the RS Diners so much I married one of the on train
TCS gals !"
No wonder they did away with Guards Vans - the guard was riding in the RS.
And I always thought they rode in the MHO or the PHN!
Shucks, no wonder I missed out, "the guard got the girl"!
Marc Hunt
Railway Rasputin II
rgds
Dave Proctor
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> Argh JHG fan?
Were they the ones with the end platforms? (Or were they GHG's?)
Dave
David Bromage
> I suppose the dining room at your place still closes when the train gets to
> Moss Vale on the up?
"Sorry, we don't serve raisin toast any more. It became too popular and we
didn't have room to store it."
Cheers
David
tony bailey
I suppose the dining room at your place still closes when the train gets to
Moss Vale on the up?
Tony Bailey
Marc Hunt wrote in message <38fc2...@203.24.52.5>...
>Matter of fact I liked the RS Diners so much I married one of the on train
>TCS gals !
>
>Now there's taking rail fanning to a new level !
>
Railway Rasputin II
(some were converted to UHG).
Many a time riding on the back of a goods train watching the world go
by.
If they put JHGs on surburban trains I'd go back guard. :-)
rgds
Dave Proctor wrote:
>
> "Railway Rasputin II" <b...@fastlink.com.au> wrote in message
> news:38FC5EA1...@fastlink.com.au...
> > Argh JHG fan?
>
> Were they the ones with the end platforms? (Or were they GHG's?)
>
> Dave
>
> > rgds
> >
> > Marc Hunt wrote:
> > >
> > > ahhhhh but I was but a humble Goods Guard riding "pass" at the time :)
> > >
Marc Hunt
Hunter Valley coal working, strengthened underframes etc and big cushioned
draw gear.
Personally I was an MHG fan, specially the one that were refurbished near
the end of the Brakevan era.
Marc Hunt
replaced her with a much more efficient contractor !
Lambing Flat
> JHG's had the end platforms, some were converted to IHG and UHG for the
> Hunter Valley coal working, strengthened underframes etc and big cushioned
> draw gear.
>
> Personally I was an MHG fan, specially the one that were refurbished near
> the end of the Brakevan era.
Have to disagree with you there Marc, the Rolls Royce of the fleet were the
KHGs, lovely ride, no drafts and that nice long seat in the passenger
compartment! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Got to say though, the JHGs were very popular, one infamous Sydney Guard was
spotted during the summer of 1978/79, sunning himself on the rear platform of
a JHG, looking very comfortable in a deckchair and wearing only his shorts and
safety boots!
--
DPC James McInerney
(Ex Sydney Guard 1978-89)
STOP! In The Name Of The Lore!
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