Melb destination rolls

100 views
Skip to first unread message

Darren H.

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to
Greetings all,
I was recently re-tensioning an ex Tait train destination roll (don't we
all?) and noticed the words "Tait and 1st series Harris roll" pencilled on
the rear of the bottom of the roll.
This of course leads me to ask why this was written on the roll? What, if
anything, made it different than a 2nd series Harris or a later type of
spark? Were there different widths or something? The roll is one from the
final years of Tait trains - has CITY LOOP, WERRIBEE etc. I assume other
trains from this era would have similar destinations anyway, so I wouldn't
expect this to be the reason for marking it in this way.
While I'm at it. Does anyone know if it is possible to fix these things so
that they don't keep scrolling off on strange angles? It seems impossible. I
know they often did this in service, so I'm prepared to live with the fact
that it is authentic.

Darren Hodges.

James Brook

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to
Darren H. wrote:

> Greetings all,
> I was recently re-tensioning an ex Tait train destination roll (don't we
> all?) and noticed the words "Tait and 1st series Harris roll" pencilled on
> the rear of the bottom of the roll.

Unfortunately mine's in pieces at the moment. :-( I think mines off a Harris
train because I got it from reclamations when they were converting the Harris
cars to loco hauled country sets. It must have been in the late eighties. Mine
also has the usual "Coldstream", "Deer Park", etc... destinations.

--
- James Brook -

----------------------------------------------------------------
e-mail:
mailto:ajmb...@ozemail.com.au
Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ajmbrook/
----------------------------------------------------------------

Ronald BESDANSKY

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to
On that subject, does anybody know how to clean cloth destination blinds?
Rust marks/water stains.

Tks & rgds

Ron BESDANSKY
Darren H. <loc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3852529e@nap-ns1...


> Greetings all,
> I was recently re-tensioning an ex Tait train destination roll (don't we
> all?) and noticed the words "Tait and 1st series Harris roll" pencilled on
> the rear of the bottom of the roll.

FRISCÉ Theatre Co. (Bryan Cullis)

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to
Can anyone give me a complete list of the actual destinations on the Tait,
Harris, Hitachi and Comeng destination indicator boards?

Ta muchly

--
====================================
HAPPY HANUKKAH, EVERYBODY!!!
"Oh, if twould be you, twould be... tweriffic!!" -
Maid Marion (Amy Yasbeck)
"Robin Hood: Men in Tights"

Rex Manning

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to
where would i buy destination rolls and such?

Sam Eades

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to

Rex Manning wrote:

> where would i buy destination rolls and such?

There is one from a Tait on Sale in a shop in Fitzroy for $163, one with
a case for over $300!!

Rex Manning

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to

Sam Eades <ead...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:385374E4...@yahoo.com...

that expensive! i was thinkin $100 max

FRISCÉ Theatre Co. (Bryan Cullis)

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to
Doubtful, Rex. They'd be collectors items now.

"Rex Manning" <BenKi...@Rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:oOK44.112$BT6....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...

Rex Manning

unread,
Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
to

FRISCÉ Theatre Co. (Bryan Cullis) <rab...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
news:c0L44.120$BT6....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...

> Doubtful, Rex. They'd be collectors items now.
>

well i am a new rail buff so i am not sure of the value of items

Andrew

unread,
Dec 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/13/99
to
well when off the rails was here in sydney sometimes his prices were the
need you would need to make out a new loan with your bank as some of the
items were very pricey
andrew

Rex Manning <BenKi...@Rocketmail.com> wrote in message

news:63M44.153$BT6....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...

Darren H.

unread,
Dec 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/14/99
to
>Can anyone give me a complete list of the actual destinations on the Tait,
>Harris, Hitachi and Comeng destination indicator boards?

>Ta muchly

Well, obviously it isn't too difficult for me to at least list the Tait roll
that I have. I would be interested in lists of others too. How many must
there have been over the years?

Mine is :-
SPECIAL; WERRIBEE; MOORABBIN; CHELTENHAM; BERWICK; MORDIALLOC; ASPENDALE;
CARRUM; FRANKSTON; OAKLEIGH; DANDENONG; FLINDERS STREET; SPENCER STREET;
NEWPORT; NEWPORT WORKSHOPS; GOWRIE; WILLIAMSTOWN; WILLIAMSTOWN PIER; ALTONA;
SUNSHINE; ST ALBANS; PAKENHAM; ESSENDON; BROADMEADOWS; BRIGHTON BEACH;
SANDRINGHAM; CITY CIRCLE; CITY LOOP; GLEN WAVERLEY; KEON PARK; ALAMEIN;
CAMBERWELL; BOX HILL; UPFIELD; GREENSBOROUGH; RINGWOOD; UPPER F.T.GULLY;
CROYDON; LILYDALE; BELGRAVE; COBURG; MOOROOLBARK; ST KILDA; PORT MELBOURNE;
PRINCES BRIDGE; RESERVOIR; LALOR; EPPING; HEIDELBURG; MACLEOD; ELTHAM;
HURSTBRIDGE; RACE SPECIAL; SHOW SPECIAL.

For the price watchers, it came from a shop in Dimboola and cost me $75
(plus travelling expenses - from Gippsland). I am told it was originally
priced at about $375. Seems way too much to me. It is complete with 115volt
lamps wired in series (I may have to re-wire it).

I also have most of a Harris roll. The top portion is missing, but it
otherwise seems to be in unused condition.
Remaining destinations are :-
...... ST ALBANS; KENSINGTON; ESSENDON; BROADMEADOWS; BRIGHTON BEACH;
SANDRINGHAM; EASTMALVERN; EPPING; GOWRIE; GLEN WAVERLY; ALAMEIN; CAMBERWELL;
BOX HILL; MITCHAM; RINGWOOD; FERNTREE GULLY; BELGRAVE; CROYDON; LILYDALE;
WARBURTON; HEALESVILLE; WARB-TON. H-VILLE; COBURG; FLINDERS STREET; FAWKNER;
UPFIELD; ST KILDA; PORT MELBOURNE; PRINCES BRIDGE; RESERVOIR; LALOR;
HEIDELBURG; MACLEOD; ELTHAM; HURSTBRIDGE; RACE SPECIAL; SHOW SPECIAL.

If my Tait roll was also for 1st series Harris trains, then presumably this
roll was for a later Harris. I'm sure someone here will tell me if I am
wrong.

This roll also cost me $75 (I got it first), so either I paid too much for
it, or the Tait one was comparitively cheap. Reclamation may have been a
better deal, but I never got around to visiting that place.

Both rolls are part of the display slowly being put together in Hobbies
Plus, Princes Hwy, Stratford, Vic. (hey, I have to mention it).

Darren Hodges.

John Dennis

unread,
Dec 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/14/99
to
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:07:55 +1100, "Darren H." <loc...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>Can anyone give me a complete list of the actual destinations on the Tait,
>>Harris, Hitachi and Comeng destination indicator boards?
>
>>Ta muchly
>
>Well, obviously it isn't too difficult for me to at least list the Tait roll
>that I have. I would be interested in lists of others too. How many must
>there have been over the years?
>

Unfortunately I do not have a roll, but can remember rambling through
the cab of a stabled tait at Oakleigh whilst I was at school (say,
1965 or so) and seeing CARNEGIE and KEW on the roll.

JD

==========================================================
John Dennis jde...@acslink.net.au
Melbourne den...@cai.com
Australia Home of the Dutton Bay Tramway
DBT URL: http://www.acslink.net.au/~jdennis/dbt.html

Chris Parnell

unread,
Dec 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/15/99
to
Just after the D cars returned to service in about 1966, I saw the roll on 207D go
around at Flinders St one day. It had no Glen Waverley on it so we went to Glen
Waverley with EastMalvern displayed. It also had the old Flinders St (not Street),
Royal Paark, North Fitzroy, Kew, Preston, (which I have never seen on another roll
since) Winsdor, Prahran, SpringVale Cemetery, and Alphington. About the same time
Carnegie appeared on the rolls, Holmesglen appeared. There has never been a
crossover or a timetabled service terminating at Holmesglen. Does anyone know why it
was put there, and why it appeared 20 years later on the Comeng rolls?

Chris

Daniel Bowen

unread,
Dec 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/15/99
to
Darren H. <loc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:38562f99@nap-ns1...

> >Can anyone give me a complete list of the actual destinations on the
Tait,
> >Harris, Hitachi and Comeng destination indicator boards?
>
> Well, obviously it isn't too difficult for me to at least list the Tait
roll
> that I have. I would be interested in lists of others too. How many must
> there have been over the years?

Here is a list of Tait/Harris/Hitachi rolls, as printed in "Electric
Railways of Victoria", by S.E.Dornan & R.G.Henderson, AETA 1979

TAIT (approx 1940's)
----
SPECIAL
ASPENDALE
DANDENONG
SPRING VALE
NORTH WILLIAMSTOWN
WILLIAMSTOWN PIER
OAKLEIGH
FRANKSTON
CARRUM
MORDIALLOC
MOORABBIN
GLEN HUNTLY
FLINDERS ST.
SUNSHINE
ST. ALBANS
DARLING
KEW
GLEN WAVERLEY
EASTMALVERN
COBURG
FAWKNER
NEWPORT WORKSHOPS
SANDRINGHAM
BRIGHTON BEACH
ELSTERNWICK
ESSENDON
BROADMEADOWS
HURST BRIDGE
ELTHAM
ALPHINGTON
HEIDELBERG
NORTH CARLTON
PRINCES BRIDGE
RESERVOIR
ROYAL PARK
THOMASTOWN
CROYDON
BLACKBURN
RINGWOOD
FERN TREE GULLY
LILYDALE
ST. KILDA
FLINDERS ST.
PORT MELBOURNE
CAMBERWELL
BOX HILL
SPENCER STREET
PORT MELB. STATION PIER
RACE SPECIAL
ASHBURTON


HARRIS (SECOND SERIES)
------
SPECIAL
CAULFIELD (the book said CAULFILED - I presume the book is mistaken)
MOORABBIN
CHELTENHAM
MENTONE
MORDIALLOC
ASPENDALE
CARRUM
FRANKSTON
STONY POINT
CRIB POINT


OAKLEIGH
DANDENONG
FLINDERS STREET
SPENCER STREET
NEWPORT
NEWPORT WORKSHOPS

WILLIAMSTOWN
WILLIAMSTOWN PIER
ALTONA
SUNSHINE

ST. ALBANS


KENSINGTON
ESSENDON
BROADMEADOWS
BRIGHTON BEACH
SANDRINGHAM

EAST MALVERN
HOLMESGLEN
GLEN WAVERLEY


ALAMEIN
CAMBERWELL
BOX HILL
MITCHAM
RINGWOOD
FERNTREE GULLY
BELGRAVE
CROYDON
LILYDALE
WARBURTON
HEALESVILLE

WARB. & H'VILLE
FLINDERS STREET
COBURG
FAWKNER
UPFIELD
ST. KILDA


PORT MELBOURNE
PRINCES BRIDGE
RESERVOIR
LALOR

HEIDELBERG


MACLEOD
ELTHAM
HURSTBRIDGE
RACE SPECIAL
SHOW SPECIAL


STAINLESS STEEL (Hitachi)
---------------

SPECIAL
SHOW SPECIAL
RACE SPECIAL
NEWPORT WORKSHOPS
ALTONA
WESTONA
NEWPORT
LAVERTON
WERRIBEE
WILLIAMSTOWN
WILLIAMSTOWN PIER
SUNSHINE
ST. ALBANS
SUNBURY
DEER PARK WEST
MELTON
ESSENDON
BROADMEADOWS
CRAIGIEBURN
COBURG
GOWRIE
UPFIELD
RESERVOIR
LALOR
EPPING
SOUTH MORANG
HEIDELBERG
MACLEOD
GREENSBOROUGH
ELTHAM
HURSTBRIDGE
EAST DONCASTER
PRINCES BRIDGE
CITY CIRCLE
CITY LOOP
FLINDERS STREET
SPENCER STREET
CAMBERWELL
BOX HILL
RINGWOOD
CROYDON
LILYDALE
COLDSTREAM
UPPER FERNTREE GULLY
BELGRAVE
ALAMEIN
DARLING
GLEN WAVERLEY
OAKLEIGH
DANDENONG
MULGRAVE
GENERAL MOTORS
BERWICK
PAKENHAM
MOORABBIN
CHELTENHAM
MENTONE
MORDIALLOC
ASPENDALE
CARRUM
SEAFORD
FRANKSTON
LEAWARRA
BAXTER
MORNINGTON
CRIB POINT
STONY POINT
BRIGHTON BEACH
SANDRINGHAM
ST. KILDA
PORT MELBOURNE

Daniel
--
Daniel Bowen, Melbourne, Australia
dbowen at custard dot net dot au

Lineman

unread,
Dec 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/15/99
to
I think this is one of those How long is a piece of string jobs,and we may
never get the definitive answer.
According to "The electric railways of Victoria"compiled by S Dornan and R
Henderson 1979c
Appendix111,they show the destination rolls for Tait(approx1940s),Harris
(2nd series),and Stainless steel (Hitatchi) and guess what, No Carnegie,yet
like you John I m sure I have seen Carnegie.
I can well remember that they where modified over the years with whole
sections taken out and sewn back to gether again,so perhaps bits got left
out and others where bastardised in other ways.
May be the swing door cars had another version as well,I don't know.
Any way if any body is stuck with out the above mentioned appendix drop me
an e-mail gr...@dcsi.net.au
Cheers
Graeme
"John Dennis" <jde...@acslink.net.au> wrote in message
news:xylWOHwwcIhgQr...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:07:55 +1100, "Darren H." <loc...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>Can anyone give me a complete list of the actual destinations on the
Tait,
> >>Harris, Hitachi and Comeng destination indicator boards?
> >
> >>Ta muchly

> >
> >Well, obviously it isn't too difficult for me to at least list the Tait
roll
> >that I have. I would be interested in lists of others too. How many must
> >there have been over the years?
> >

Darren H.

unread,
Dec 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/16/99
to
Darren H. <loc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
38562f99@nap-ns1">news:38562f99@nap-ns1...

> >Can anyone give me a complete list of the actual destinations on the
Tait,
> >Harris, Hitachi and Comeng destination indicator boards?
>
> Well, obviously it isn't too difficult for me to at least list the Tait
roll
> that I have. I would be interested in lists of others too. How many must
> there have been over the years?

>Here is a list of Tait/Harris/Hitachi rolls, as printed in "Electric


>Railways of Victoria", by S.E.Dornan & R.G.Henderson, AETA 1979

Oops! I forgot about that book. The problem of having ones library in a room
over 100kms away.
It is interesting to see that the Harris roll list is different to the
Harris roll that I have (even allowing for the fact it isn't complete).
Several destinations are in a different order. Was there any logic in the
order that the destinations were printed?

Darren Hodges

Lineman

unread,
Dec 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/16/99
to
Seemed to be,pre city Loop,when Sandy went to Broady,Dandy to Willy, and St
Kilda and Port Melb shuttles where the norm,like wise the Princess Bridge
trains stayed on there patch,so the driver and guard did not have to crank
it around the whole roll for the likely return destination.Adding the rider
that yes of course there where exceptions.
We got spoiled when auto select a number rollers came in and cranking became
a lost art form <g!>

"Darren H." <loc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:385798c2@nap-ns1...

Judy Gordon

unread,
Dec 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/16/99
to
Lineman wrote:
>
> I think this is one of those How long is a piece of string jobs,and we may
> never get the definitive answer.
> According to "The electric railways of Victoria"compiled by S Dornan and R
> Henderson 1979c
> Appendix111,they show the destination rolls for Tait(approx1940s),Harris
> (2nd series),and Stainless steel (Hitatchi) and guess what, No Carnegie,yet
> like you John I m sure I have seen Carnegie.
> I can well remember that they where modified over the years with whole
> sections taken out and sewn back to gether again,so perhaps bits got left
> out and others where bastardised in other ways.
> May be the swing door cars had another version as well,I don't know.
>
Until the duplication at Rosanna in 1958, some trains used to terminate
at Rosanna. The driver would walk to the end of the platform to turn
off the wig-wag at Lower Plenty Road.

The trains definitely had ROSANNA on the destination, and as they were
usually swing door, then there must have been a different version of the
destination roll.
--
Judy Gordon
School of Biological & Chemical Sciences
Deakin University (Rusden Campus)

Exnarc

unread,
Dec 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/18/99
to

Judy Gordon <ju...@deakin.edu.au> wrote in message
news:385849DE...@deakin.edu.au...

I remember when I first went to the sparks in 1975, I transfered to
Sandringham to get a rostered position (as it took years to get off Flex in
those days), the younger drivers at Sandy (yes I was young once) had a bit
of a competition going, we all knew where we would cross each other during
certain shifts so we would put up unusual destinations to try to out do each
other. Depending on whether you had a Tait/Harris or Hitachi you could come
up with some rare terminating destinations:

CARNEGIE, Moorabin, East Malvern, Elsternwick, Croydon, Rosanna, South
Morang City Circle, City Loop (not in use then) Mentone, Seaford, Coburg,
etc.

The Swing Doors had Healesville and Healesville/Warburton on the blinds, one
Swing Door set used on the Sandy line had perminent (painted) headboards, on
the East End Motor it had "Brighton Beach" whilst the West End Motor had
"Flinders Street", this set (if I remember right) only did one trip a day,
running in to town in the morning being stabled in the Western Car Sidings
("A" Box) then returning to Brighton Beach that evening.

Bob.

Lineman

unread,
Dec 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/18/99
to

"Exnarc" <gw...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:83dghs$4si$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
> <snip>

> The Swing Doors had Healesville and Healesville/Warburton on the blinds,
one
> Swing Door set used on the Sandy line had perminent (painted) headboards,
on
> the East End Motor it had "Brighton Beach" whilst the West End Motor had
> "Flinders Street", this set (if I remember right) only did one trip a day,
> running in to town in the morning being stabled in the Western Car Sidings
> ("A" Box) then returning to Brighton Beach that evening.
>
> Bob.
>
> Hi Bob
Do you remember that the local Brighton Beach gentry grew tired with there
"Own train", we want a new one, and told the Commissioners to get rid of
it,which they eventually agreed to. However the sting in the tail was that
come Monday morning that service and the return evening service had been
permanently cancelled and still no new trains on the line till just before
the election the state ALP came to power.
Graeme

Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages