What are your plans on July 17th?

Uncle Joe

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Jul 6, 2008, 11:03:40 PM7/6/08

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Hope they don't include driving anywhere as the roads will be packed with
those who can't catch trains as we will all be on strike.

Vote out Brendan Nelson

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Jul 7, 2008, 10:56:21 AM7/7/08

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Uncle Joe wrote:
> Hope they don't include driving anywhere as the roads will be packed with
> those who can't catch trains as we will all be on strike.
>
>

Hopefully it should put dent in the Pope's Propaganda/brainwashing
plans.

Joe

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Jul 8, 2008, 12:05:34 AM7/8/08

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The strike won't happen......

Uncle Joe

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Jul 8, 2008, 1:11:34 AM7/8/08

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"Joe" <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> The strike won't happen......
>
>
>

I doubt it will happen too, I feel we will get 4%

Matthew Geier

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Jul 8, 2008, 5:53:45 PM7/8/08

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If it DOES happen, making a world laughing stock of Sydney, you can bet
it will trigger a Kennet style rapid privatisation of Cityrail.

Remember the trigger for the Victorian privatization ? - they went on
strike during the Grand Prix, and Kennet was so pissed off he put the
privatization process of public transport into overdrive.
While I can't imagine Iemma doing anything with the Vigour Kennet did,
Costa might....

Fish Womper

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Jul 8, 2008, 10:50:29 PM7/8/08

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On 08 Jul 2008 21:53:45 GMT, Matthew Geier
<mat...@no.sleeper.no.apana.no.org.no.au> wrote:

If the Govt could find a buyer for CityRail, don't you think they
would have sold it off long ago?

fish
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Uncle Joe

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Jul 9, 2008, 1:07:25 AM7/9/08

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"Fish Womper" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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Macquarie Bank and Veolia want Railcorp and already have been talking
publicly about it

Fish Womper

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Jul 9, 2008, 10:34:09 AM7/9/08

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They want Sector 1, the one part of CityRail that makes money.

fish
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Uncle Joe

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Jul 10, 2008, 2:29:49 AM7/10/08

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>>
>>Macquarie Bank and Veolia want Railcorp and already have been talking
>>publicly about it
>
> They want Sector 1, the one part of CityRail that makes money.
>
> fish
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>>
>

Veolia first enquired about sector 1 about 10 years ago, Macquarie wants the
lot.

Matthew Geier

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Jul 10, 2008, 6:04:58 PM7/10/08

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:29:49 +1000, Uncle Joe wrote:

>>>Macquarie Bank and Veolia want Railcorp and already have been talking
>>>publicly about it
>>
>> They want Sector 1, the one part of CityRail that makes money.

> Veolia first enquired about sector 1 about 10 years ago, Macquarie wants
> the lot.

Sectorisation always had the feel of a 'split the system up into smaller
bits and flog them' sort of thing.

You have the farce that was British Rail privatization and then Victoria
failed attempt to copy. One operator ended up with both halves in the end
anyway.

I'm sure Veolia would take the lot of Cityrail if the terms were right.
They run urban and regional railways in other places.

Fish Womper

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Jul 12, 2008, 11:12:00 AM7/12/08

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On 10 Jul 2008 22:04:58 GMT, Matthew Geier
<mat...@no.sleeper.no.apana.no.org.no.au> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:29:49 +1000, Uncle Joe wrote:
>
>
>>>>Macquarie Bank and Veolia want Railcorp and already have been talking
>>>>publicly about it
>>>
>>> They want Sector 1, the one part of CityRail that makes money.
>
>> Veolia first enquired about sector 1 about 10 years ago, Macquarie wants
>> the lot.
>
> Sectorisation always had the feel of a 'split the system up into smaller
>bits and flog them' sort of thing.

Not to mention New Zealand.

>
> You have the farce that was British Rail privatization and then Victoria
>failed attempt to copy. One operator ended up with both halves in the end
>anyway.
>
> I'm sure Veolia would take the lot of Cityrail if the terms were right.
>They run urban and regional railways in other places.

A lot of work yet to be done before it would be even remotely viable.
You'd think they would be wanting guarantees from the Govt in order to
run unprofitable services and to carry pensioners, etc, at current
fares. You would end up with the Govt paying hundreds of millions
every year just to get them to run trains at night and on weekends.

fish

Matthew Geier

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Jul 12, 2008, 7:52:06 PM7/12/08

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:12:00 +0000, Fish Womper wrote:

> A lot of work yet to be done before it would be even remotely viable.

Cityrail as an independent business would never be viable in the normal
sense. They MIGHT be able to operationally break even, but there is no
way it could cover capital costs.

> You'd think they would be wanting guarantees from the Govt in order to
> run unprofitable services and to carry pensioners, etc, at current
> fares. You would end up with the Govt paying hundreds of millions every
> year just to get them to run trains at night and on weekends.

And the government doesn't cost the government that now ?.

Selling something like that off, doesn't stop the money flow. It then
takes a competent government to ensure the money is flowing into
providing a public service and not lining share holder pockets at
taxpayer expense. Given our current level of government ineptness, I
don't think they would be able to do that - they seem to be blindingly
funding rorts in Cityrail and railcorp management and they also seem to
be propping up all the toll road PPPs as well. Of course we don't know
what really goes on in the private road operators, unless they screw up
enough to come to the attention of the companies regulator.