Edmonson Ticket type
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Edmonson tickets.
Can anyone please help, appreciate it.
Leong
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David Bromage
Keith Atkinson in Melbourne has several Edmondson and Waterlow printing
machines. He can be contacted through Puffing Billy, who part own some
of
the machines.
He's also got the only set of positive Edmondson numbering wheels ever made,
that is, not the usual numbers printed inside a black square. They
belonged to the Emu Bay Railway.
Cheers
David
pkl...@my-deja.com
Roy Marshall
at Lithgow have an Edmondson ticket machine and will print tickets on
demand. Someone might have a better memory than me but at one stage
didn't some of the societies have their tour tickets printed up there?
Cheers Roy
pkl...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I need help to source out supplier for
> Edmonson tickets.
>
> Can anyone please help, appreciate it.
>
> Leong
>
Railway Rasputin
Roy Marshall wrote:
> I might be wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere that the Zig Zag Railway
> at Lithgow have an Edmondson ticket machine and will print tickets on
> demand. Someone might have a better memory than me but at one stage
> didn't some of the societies have their tour tickets printed up there?
>
> Cheers Roy
>
Yeah thats where the RTM get theirs. (I think)
Contact them on (02) 46 818001 or (02) 97449999
rgds
David & Julie Donald
Simply call the ZZR office on 02 6353 1795.
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David Donald
Springwood, NSW
Eddie Oliver
> He's also got the only set of positive Edmondson numbering wheels ever made,
> that is, not the usual numbers printed inside a black square. They
> belonged to the Emu Bay Railway.
NSW tickets had no black squares for at least two decades of regular
service. Can you please clarify the distinction you are trying to make?
Eddie
David Bromage
There were several manufacturers of Edmondson-style ticket printing and
numbering machines. The NSW tickets with positive numbers were probably
numbered on Waterlow machines. Waterlow had a distinctive sans serif type,
with taller and narrower numbers.
I designed the Edmondson tickets for SGR. Most of the single tickets were
printed on the EBR machines. The printing machine was second hand when
EBR
bought it, and was later bought by TGR. The origin of the numbering wheels
is a bit of a mystery, but they are definately Edmondson.
Another interesting bit of trivia is that the Waterlow numbering machines
owned by VR had an attachment for flipping the tickets over. This was so
the bundles were numbered from the front for slotting into dagger tubes.
The Edmondson drop tube required numbering bundles fron the rear.
Cheers
David
MarkBau1
numbered on Waterlow machines.>>>>>>
Did NSW have negative numbered tickets??
What a great Monty Python sketch that would make.
"I have ticket 412" "Oh no you don't, I have 412"
Mark
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Yuri J Sos/Melbourne
and I selectively quote:
>Did NSW have negative numbered tickets??
What David's shorthand means is.....
Vic - white/background ticket colour numbers in a black square
NSW - black ticket numbers
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Yuri
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David Bromage wrote:
> pkl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I need help to source out supplier for
> > Edmonson tickets.
> Keith Atkinson in Melbourne has several Edmondson and Waterlow printing
> machines. He can be contacted through Puffing Billy, who part own some
> of
> the machines.
> He's also got the only set of positive Edmondson numbering wheels ever made,
> that is, not the usual numbers printed inside a black square. They
> belonged to the Emu Bay Railway.
> Cheers
> David
I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I first
visited
Victoria in 1967.
All other states either used black numbers or embossed.
AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
John McCallum
Railway Rasputin
John Duncan McCallum wrote:
Early NSW tickets did i know that for a fact because my father is a booking
clerkand has been for the last 30+ years. Some of the tickets were so old that the
first one on the rack had faded.
One that springs to mind was a Campbelltown - Sydney yearly ticket whic was
different to the others because it was blue, inversed numbered and was 0546, of
the first issue of that type to Campbelltown.
rgds
chris 'fufas' grace
John Duncan McCallum wrote in message <3761EB18...@melbpc.org.au>...
>
>> He's also got the only set of positive Edmondson numbering wheels ever
made,
>> that is, not the usual numbers printed inside a black square. They
>> belonged to the Emu Bay Railway.
>
>> Cheers
>> David
>
>I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I first
>visited
>Victoria in 1967.
>All other states either used black numbers or embossed.
>AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
>
I think you might both mean 'in Australia'. I have seen several
pictures of old tickets from the UK with inverse numbers.
Railway Rasputin
>
> > AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
> >
> > John McCallum
Any one wishing to see some of these tickets can go to Thirlmere Station which has a
display.
rgds
Trevor Edmonds
John Duncan McCallum wrote...
<<I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I first
visited Victoria in 1967. All other states either used black numbers or
embossed. AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.>>
John,
In front of me is a NSW Camden line ticket dated 18 August 1962. It has
black squares.
Trevor
Eddie Oliver
> I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I first
> visited
> Victoria in 1967.
> All other states either used black numbers or embossed.
> AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
The black squares were the standard arrangement in NSW till the 1960s,
at a guess, and many survived much longer than that.
In view of the interstate rivalry which seems to be apparent on this
newsgroup recently, it would be unwise of me to comment that the
Victorians just never brought themselves into the modern era in this
matter.
Eddie
Chris Stratton
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with numbers inside black squares:
Brisbane suburban tickets purchased in 1984, 1988 and 1996.
A Wollongong to Broken Hill Return ticket purchased in 1984, but I think the
ticket had been in stock a long time.
I also have tickets from Museums and tourist railways with the numbers in a
black square, these are Puffing Billy, Tasmanian Transport Museum, Don River
Railway and ARHS Museum North Williamstown.
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Chris Stratton
Wollongong, NSW, Australia
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David Bromage
>
> John Duncan McCallum wrote:
>
> > I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I first
> > visited
> > Victoria in 1967.
> > All other states either used black numbers or embossed.
> > AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
>
> The black squares were the standard arrangement in NSW till the 1960s,
> at a guess, and many survived much longer than that.
>
> In view of the interstate rivalry which seems to be apparent on this
> newsgroup recently, it would be unwise of me to comment that the
> Victorians just never brought themselves into the modern era in this
> matter.
You're half right there. VR and NSWGR both bought electric Waterlow
numbering machines about the same time, but VR only supplemented their
Edmondson machines rather than replace them. Back then they still believed
that if something still worked well, it didn't have to be replaced simply
because it was old. :)
Cheers
David
Michael Walker
>visited
>Victoria in 1967.
>All other states either used black numbers or embossed.
>AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
>
Epping to say Windsor or Richmond or even Cheltenham - just look at the
numbers on your train ticket!
8^)
Roderick Smith
VR printed tickets for other systems. Were VR idiosynchrasies apparent on
the others too?
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Michael Walker <wal...@hotkey.net.au> wrote in article
Les Brown
>
>John Duncan McCallum wrote...
>
><<I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I first
>visited Victoria in 1967. All other states either used black numbers or
>embossed. AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.>>
>
>John,
>
>In front of me is a NSW Camden line ticket dated 18 August 1962. It has
>black squares.
>
>Trevor
I've got the following NSWGR tickets with black number squares
Reserved Seat Brisbane (Roma St.) 9 Aug 1966
Sydney-Goulburn 2nd Class 28JE69
Muswellbrook-Newcastle 2nd Class 28JE69
And a lot of old VR, Puffing Billy, BPR, with black numbers
Les Brown
Les Brown
>In view of the interstate rivalry which seems to be apparent on this
>newsgroup recently, it would be unwise of me to comment that the
>Victorians just never brought themselves into the modern era in this
>matter.
>
Then I would hate to shatter your image of us as backward Mexicans by
producing the most recent of my collection of VR/Vicrail Edmonson
tickets with black numbers only. Better you live in the dreamtime that
is NSW and let us Victorians get on with the job of showing the rest
of you lot what the future will bring, not that I'm parochial of
course.
Les Brown
Eddie Oliver
> >
> Then I would hate to shatter your image of us as backward Mexicans by
> producing the most recent of my collection of VR/Vicrail Edmonson
> tickets with black numbers only. Better you live in the dreamtime that
> is NSW and let us Victorians get on with the job of showing the rest
> of you lot what the future will bring, not that I'm parochial of
> course.
Yes, of course, Les. Just refresh my memory, please, as to the latest
large-scale Victorian ticketing innovation. They call it Metcard or
something like that, and it is a system which everybody absolutely
loves, praises and admires? Is that right?
Eddie
Les Brown
>Yes, of course, Les. Just refresh my memory, please, as to the latest
>large-scale Victorian ticketing innovation. They call it Metcard or
>something like that, and it is a system which everybody absolutely
>loves, praises and admires? Is that right?
>
Yes Eddie, that's the one that ERG will be selling to the rest of the
world once the politicians have finished extracting all the political
mileage they can get out of it. Even Sydney might get it one day if
they should ever be far-sighted enough, not that I'm parochial, tut,
tut.
At least we don't have problems introducing new timetables. What
happened to the last one again??
Les Brown
Eddie Oliver
>
> At least we don't have problems introducing new timetables. What
> happened to the last one again??
The last Sydney timetable? Introduced just a few days ago, it's working
well. If you mean the one before that, it worked well. If you mean the
one before that, it worked well. Perhaps you're thinking back to one a
couple of years ago that didn't?
Eddie
Craig Potter
machine's motor broke down in the 60's were printed with positive numerals
in the VR style. For a while they used old TGR ticket stock, which was in
turn the old NSWGR ticket stock pre the 1920's (?) changeover to the
green/yellow colour scheme. This card however got jammed in the VR machines
and the TGR/ANR passenger trains ended their days using VR card as well.
This now-repaired ticket printing machine & ex NSWGR card stock is now used
to print Puffing Billy tickets, coutesy of the ticket Doyen, Keith Atkinson
and the MillDean press.
I can remember being in the Burnley substation where it was kept for a while
and seeing wrapped balnk ticket stock with nice NSWGR (1917) wrappers !
One day I will get around to putting my ticket collection on the Net.
Craig
Roderick Smith <rods...@werple.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> VR printed tickets for other systems. Were VR idiosynchrasies apparent on
> the others too?
>
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> Roderick Smith
> Rail News Victoria Editor
>
> Michael Walker <wal...@hotkey.net.au> wrote in article
> > >I never saw any tickets with numbers inside a black square until I
first
> > >visited
> > >Victoria in 1967.
> > >All other states either used black numbers or embossed.
> > >AFAIK numbers in black squares was uniquely VR.
Craig Potter
that state railways are just about things of the past? Here is what I know:
VIC: All machines ex Nth Melb printing works went to PBR/MillDean press
except for one which went to the law printer. What happened to it now
OneLink runs the tickets? The multiprinter that used to be at Flinders
Street B office went to Spotswood reclamation depot in the mid 80's and was
broken up.
NSW: ZigZag has at least one, but I dont know the rest. What happened to
the multiprinters that used to be in the country booking office at Central?
Qld:?? I think MillDean got one but I am not sure
SA: Port Dock Museum
WA: ?? Still being used by Westrail up to a few years ago
TAS: Puffing Billy
CR: Printed by VR, never owned a ticket press.
Craig.
David Bromage
>
> Can anyone give a list of where the state ticket printing machines went now
> that state railways are just about things of the past? Here is what I know:
>
> VIC: All machines ex Nth Melb printing works went to PBR/MillDean press
> except for one which went to the law printer. What happened to it now
> OneLink runs the tickets?
It may have still been around as recently as 1995.
> The multiprinter that used to be at Flinders
> Street B office went to Spotswood reclamation depot in the mid 80's and was
> broken up.
I'm pretty sure at least one machine went to Sands & McDougal who still
print Edmondson tickets for V/Line. It may have since been retired. In
recent years they have appeared with dot matrix numbers, so the Waterlow
machine may have broken down.
Take a look at http://www.wcr.com.au/ticket4.jpg for two examples of recent
Sands & McDougal tickets, and an older style (left) from a Waterlow
machine.
Note the lower quality pasteboard used these days.
> Qld:?? I think MillDean got one but I am not sure
Yes, Keith one which QR bought in about 1910.
> TAS: Puffing Billy
As mentioned earlier, TGR also had the ex-EBR machine which is now owned
by MillDean.
Cheers
David