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Dave Proctor
The railpage forums seem to be full of children who are seriously
proposing things like a brand new line to Jindabyne for the winter
snow traffic, new lines underneath Warrawong - all of it in tunnel -
and so on and so forth, NONE of which has a snow-flakes chance in hell
of ever getting up.
Nothing wrong with a "fantasy board", but it isn't for me. I want some
real serious discussion about the rail scene, what is happening with
who, and so on. Leave the fantasy stuff for the kiddies.
Dave
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NSW Rural Fire Service - become a volunteer today.
David Bromage
> The railpage forums seem to be full of children who are seriously
> proposing things like a brand new line to Jindabyne for the winter
> snow traffic
FYI, Perisher Blue did seriously look at this.
Cheers
David
Tony Gatt
http://forums.railmedia.com.au
"Dave Proctor" <thad...@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au> wrote in message
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Dave Proctor
Still doesn't change the general tenor of the board, namely a bunch of
children expressing wishlists which will never happen.
Jonathan Lau
> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:17:49 +1000, David Bromage
> <dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave Proctor wrote:
>>
>>>The railpage forums seem to be full of children who are seriously
>>>proposing things like a brand new line to Jindabyne for the winter
>>>snow traffic
>>
>>FYI, Perisher Blue did seriously look at this.
>
>
> Still doesn't change the general tenor of the board, namely a bunch of
> children expressing wishlists which will never happen.
You will always have "childish" views from railfans, kids and/or wannabe
rail employees if a forum or e-mail group is open to the public.
There are many "closed" groups around, but entry is either by invitation
only or if you are an employee - they would most likely be what you
are after.
I know how you feel, but your only real choices are to:
1) ignore stupid/chidish posts
2) start your own closed forum/group
Regards,
Jon Lau
***************************************************************
CityRail Yahoogroup - CityRail & NSW Railways Discussion Group.
Les Brown
<thad...@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:17:49 +1000, David Bromage
><dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au> wrote:
>
>>Dave Proctor wrote:
>> > The railpage forums seem to be full of children who are seriously
>> > proposing things like a brand new line to Jindabyne for the winter
>> > snow traffic
>>
>>FYI, Perisher Blue did seriously look at this.
>
>Still doesn't change the general tenor of the board, namely a bunch of
>children expressing wishlists which will never happen.
>
It's not just the kids, Dave. I've seen a professional engineer seriously
propose the restoration of every closed railway line in Melbourne and
Geelong in the last 100 years as well as a whole "octopus act" of new lines,
in front of a bunch of equally professional railway engineers and not a
murmur of incredulity from any of them. The only remark of incredulity came
from a gunzel - me.
Sometimes it's hard to work out where the kindergarten is.
Les Brown
N1
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David Bromage
> Still doesn't change the general tenor of the board, namely a bunch of
> children expressing wishlists which will never happen.
Only 4 short years ago (May 2000 to be exact), a railway to Darwin was
described in this very newsgroup as "pie in the sky" and "will never
happen".
Cheers
David
Alan Luchetti
"David Bromage" <dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au> wrote in message
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> Dave Proctor wrote:
That's because we didn't know that a Halliburton subsidiary was involved.
EJ
"Les Brown" <l...@REMOVEbrownfam.com.au> wrote in message
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line but I've been beaten to the punch.
I'll have to go back into my car and just drive there.
Bauie
I left railpage not because of the kiddies but because of the
censorship. I'm damned if I, a rail employee since 1980, will stand
for a gunzel editing/deleting/censoring my posts. I exposed Bromage's
ignorance years ago and like the little child he is, he has never
forgiven me, he must lead a sad little life carrying around so much
baggage.
Mark
David Bromage
> I left railpage not because of the kiddies but because of the
> censorship. I'm damned if I, a rail employee since 1980, will stand
> for a gunzel editing/deleting/censoring my posts.
It's a privately owned and operated service. The owners are entitled to
remove posts which breach the rules. This does NOT meet the definition
of censorship.
Cheers
David
scoot
"David Bromage" <dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au> wrote in message
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David Bromage
> Tell that to Robert Mugabe
That's a government (and I use the term in the broadest possible sense)
applying its powers to private media.
Railpage is a privately owned and operated service. As with all other
private services it is not censorship for the owners to manage the
content. The owners (and by delegation the admins and moderators) have
the right and the responsibility to manage the content since the forums
are public then Railpage would be considered to be the publisher if
anything defamatory or illegal is posted.
Cheers
David
N1
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John Dennis
> Railpage is a privately owned and operated service. As with all other
> private services it is not censorship for the owners to manage the
> content. The owners (and by delegation the admins and moderators) have
> the right and the responsibility to manage the content since the forums
> are public then Railpage would be considered to be the publisher if
> anything defamatory or illegal is posted.
That may well be true David, but I for one am unconvinced that what
appear to be 14 or 15 year-old moderators have sufficient experience
or maturity to be given that responsibility.
John Dennis
Tony Gatt
If that were the only reason I'm sure this discussion would never have been
launched.
I'm still waiting to find out where two perfectly harmless posts went in a
perfectly normal discussion.
Some-one took them out, but no-one is saying who.. least of all you.
For someone with a lot to say in aus.rail and in regards to the
moderation/administration of railpage, you are very quiet when people ask
for assistance.
Tony.
Albert Alcoceba
>That may well be true David, but I for one am unconvinced that what
>appear to be 14 or 15 year-old moderators have sufficient experience
>or maturity to be given that responsibility.
That is a matter of opinion. You can always start up your own
discussion board... or you could even stay at Railpage and apply to
create and moderate your own forum. But I can see you would have a
problem with justifying your proposal to young people.
Albert Alcoceba
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alb...@REMOVE.ihug.com.au
http://aussietrains.fotopic.net/
Remove REMOVE
David Bromage
> That is a matter of opinion. You can always start up your own
> discussion board... or you could even stay at Railpage and apply to
> create and moderate your own forum. But I can see you would have a
> problem with justifying your proposal to young people.
Anybody is welcome to propose a new forum on RP. The final decision
comes down to two people (both over 30 FYI).
Cheers
David
Bauie
> Bauie wrote:
> > I left railpage not because of the kiddies but because of the
> > censorship. I'm damned if I, a rail employee since 1980, will stand
> > for a gunzel editing/deleting/censoring my posts.
>
> It's a privately owned and operated service. The owners are entitled to
> remove posts which breach the rules.
You are perfectly entitled to, just as I am perfectly entitled to
ignore railpage.
This does NOT meet the definition
> of censorship.
Typical, you argue the meaning of a word rather than the subject.
Actually, you are correct, "control" is the correct word to use and
people with inferiority complexes usually need to excercise control
over as many aspects of their life that they can.
Mark
Bauie
> So you left because you couldnt keep your ego in check?
Please do not project your reality onto me, presumably you are old
enough to deal with your own issues.
mark
N1
than you in that forum. I think you have issues.
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David Bromage
> David Bromage <dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au> wrote in message news:<40EB332...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au>...
>
>>of censorship.
>
> Typical, you argue the meaning of a word rather than the subject.
> Actually, you are correct, "control" is the correct word to use and
> people with inferiority complexes usually need to excercise control
> over as many aspects of their life that they can.
We don't control their lives, just manage what is published on RP.
Cheers
David
John Dennis
> On 7 Jul 2004 01:23:16 -0700, den...@hotmail.com (John Dennis) wrote:
>
> >That may well be true David, but I for one am unconvinced that what
> >appear to be 14 or 15 year-old moderators have sufficient experience
> >or maturity to be given that responsibility.
>
> That is a matter of opinion. You can always start up your own
> discussion board... or you could even stay at Railpage and apply to
> create and moderate your own forum. But I can see you would have a
> problem with justifying your proposal to young people.
>
confused, what did I propose?
I have no problems with the list of forums on Railpage, and I have no
problems with all the enthusiastic posts by the young members. It is
simply an observation of mine that some posts and threads appear to be
locked or deleted for no good reason, other than for what seems to be
"personality" reasons. Because the threads are locked, it is hard to
determine why.
John Dennis
John Dennis
> No Mark, you left because you couldn't handle that a gunzel has more power
> than you in that forum. I think you have issues.
In this thread discussing railpage, you are the only anonymous poster.
Why do you choose to remain anonymous? (not a flame, just
curious...)
John Dennis
JB
about anyone can discuss what they like even it its not nice things
people have to live with this.
so railpage just stop the censorship and give us our freedom back
GET RIDE OF THE MODERATORS ASAP it just not right in what is ment to
be a free country i get more freedoms of speech from malaysia than in
railpage
Albert Alcoceba
>I have no problems with the list of forums on Railpage, and I have no
>problems with all the enthusiastic posts by the young members. It is
>simply an observation of mine that some posts and threads appear to be
>locked or deleted for no good reason, other than for what seems to be
>"personality" reasons. Because the threads are locked, it is hard to
>determine why.
It is annoying - though railpage I haven't found too bad. Seems some
forums within it are worse than others - the Victorian one is the
worst for that. I haven't come across locking of threads much in any
of the other forums there. The Australian Transport Discussion Board
on the other hand - post an abbreviation the wrong way and you'll get
blasted by the moderator!
David Bromage
Cheers
David
Marc Hunt
- The act, process or practice of censoring
- The office or authority of a Roman censor
- Prevention of disturbing, or painful thoughts or feelings from reaching a greater audience except in a disguised form.
- The act of removing facts, thoughts, ideas or notions contrary to the censors beliefs wether they be correct or not.
- The act of closet homosexual uni students hold up in Armidale
- The practice of denying free thought ,ideas and discussion.
Dave Proctor
<dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au> wrote:
>For the last time - censorship does not apply on private fora.
You can say it all you like, it IS being applied on the Railpage
forums.
censorship
n 1: counterintelligence achieved by banning or deleting any
information of value to the enemy [syn: censoring, security review] 2:
deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical
performances [syn: censoring]
s.(2) is MOST appropriate to what goes on at Railpage.
N1
2: Wouldn't have a clue how to set it differently, because my nephew set up
this computer.
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John Dennis
> 1: It's the sandpit, no point ID'ing.
> 2: Wouldn't have a clue how to set it differently, because my nephew set up
> this computer.
In a discussion on deleting posts on railpage, which you appear to
support, you're the only person not providing a name.
Weak excuse. You can add your name to the post.
John Dennis
N1
Meanwhile; I don't support the deletion of posts, but I do support following
of the law. Go figure.
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Tony Gatt
"JB" <gwm...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
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Unfortunately, moderation IS required where a company can be held liable for
information/posts contained and published from their site. For that reason,
there needs to be moderators.
What there needs to be less of is moderation for the sake of using the "X"
button.
The moderators need to make a global decision, not one based on how they
feel today or if they like the person posting or not.
unfortunately, some people make it necessary for Big Brother to keep a
distant eye on things.
Tony.
http://www.railmedia.com.au
http://forums.railmedia.com.au
Bauie
> No Mark, you left because you couldn't handle that a gunzel has more power
> than you in that forum. I think you have issues.
I think I made it pretty clear as to why I left railpage, I don't like
mine or other peoples posts being censored.
The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back was when someone
asked about the whereabouts of the Benalla K class, I replied that it
is under lock and key at Newport workshops and the post was removed.
The post had nothing to do with the crash, it was simply about the
locomotive's whereabouts.
I find it interesting that railpage discusses accidents all the time
but only chooses to get excited about the Benalla crash, bit of a
double standard. Either you have a policy that forbids all discussion
of matters before the courts or you allow all posts.
Anyway, railpage has become an exchange of ego's with very little
useful info being posted, this is pretty typical in a forum where many
of its participants are aspergers syndrome sufferers.
Mark
David Bromage
would know that all discussion about the incident and the loco was
banned at SteamRail's request.
Cheers
David
Stuart Thyer
dbro...@omni.com.NOSPAMTHANKYOU.au wrote on 12/7/04 11:58 AM:
> Had you actually read the announcements going back to June last year you
> would know that all discussion about the incident and the loco was
> banned at SteamRail's request.
>
Steamrail did request that people not discuss the accident, mainly because
some people were coming up with "facts" that weren't, and of course, people
then ask more questions based on these incorrect facts and things get messy
and upsetting.
Steamrail has no problems with people asking questions, it's just the
unfortunate side effects of every other person piping in with "someone told
me that..." ie. the poster just the other week who proclaimed that the
coroners inquest had been heard (it hasn't).
How railpage handles the moderation is up to the moderators.
Stuart Thyer
Steamrail
David Bromage
> Steamrail has no problems with people asking questions, it's just the
> unfortunate side effects of every other person piping in with "someone told
> me that..." ie. the poster just the other week who proclaimed that the
> coroners inquest had been heard (it hasn't).
Exactly. That's why we took the collective decision not to allow any
discussion about the loco.
Cheers
David
breadman
I think I'll become a "Ship Spotter"!!
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Bauie
> How would it benefit me to do that?
>
It would give you a modicum of credibility, something of which you
presently have none.
Mark Bau
N1
Dave Proctor
<thad...@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au> wrote:
>Does anyone have any alternative board they can recommend?
>
>The railpage forums seem to be full of children who are seriously
>proposing things like a brand new line to Jindabyne for the winter
>snow traffic, new lines underneath Warrawong - all of it in tunnel -
>and so on and so forth, NONE of which has a snow-flakes chance in hell
>of ever getting up.
>
>Nothing wrong with a "fantasy board", but it isn't for me. I want some
>real serious discussion about the rail scene, what is happening with
>who, and so on. Leave the fantasy stuff for the kiddies.
They are now encouraging vandalism....
(one poster "redesigned" the CityRail map, so that it had all sorts of
weird routes on it).
"Re the idea of sticking your poster over the top of the official one
- a great idea! As long as there is a real one nearby and you can
point that out."
So someone is actively promoting sticking a totally bogus map over the
official one, and nothing has been done about this post.
Makes you wonder....