Radio Mag Hits the Wall
Peter Brown
Ralf RF
"Peter Brown" <syd...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:3c1a8e72$0$9891$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
BDC
It was going well until the brains trust of VK3CE took it over and
ruined it for everyone.
Patrick Barrett
There appears to be too much hatred and jealous rumour-spreading about
this little Radio Mag on this NG....
And I wonder why?
Is this an example of the proverbial Aussie "tall poppy" syndrome in
action? Which means that any brave individual who has the guts to
start a new magazine needs to be put down?
Or is it that Aussie radio hobbyists don't reallly want their own
magazine and prefer to stick to imported foreign ones? (Which ones
in particular, I'd be interested to know?)
Perhaps someone could explain this to me?
Patrick Barrett
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:44:41 +1100, "Peter Brown"
<syd...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>I've heard a good rumour that Radio Mag is about to die, and is looking =
Kevcat
Patrick Barrett wrote:
>
> Is this an example of the proverbial Aussie "tall poppy" syndrome in
> action? Which means that any brave individual who has the guts to
> start a new magazine needs to be put down?
He didn't start a new one he had the old one and renamed it, the old one
was resurrected and he bought it out,
why did he do that???, can anyone explain that one?
> Or is it that Aussie radio hobbyists don't reallly want their own
> magazine and prefer to stick to imported foreign ones? (Which ones
> in particular, I'd be interested to know?)
ShortWave Magazine
shits all over Radiomag even though it's a UK mag and costs twice as
much
Radio Active, a UK CB/Scanner mag, not available here anymore(?)
Popular Communications(only available by mail now...too bad) same as
above
all have much more real interesting things and not slanted too much
towards the Ham group
Shortwave Magazine has Broadcast, Satellite TV, WX satellites, Data
Modes(HF/VHF/UHF), SSB Utes, DXTV, Amateur bands, Propagation,
Pirates,Numbers stations and thats just the regular columns, then tehre
are the rig reviews, DXpeditions, features on readers shacks/gear,
antenna designs and more
Popular comms had a similar mix
Kev
Daniel
somebody elses success doesnt it?.......Obviously it does not apply to radio
mag.
I would call it....rather.....The voice of TRUTH
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Patrick Barrett
third issue, is that right? So you're not giving him much chance to
develop towards success.
So what sort of voice of TRUTH are you talking about? What truth?
Sorry this does not seem fair to me
Anyway, this entire story does not make sense to me. For example, the
mag gets a bit delayed (understandably IMHO, if he's just starting),
but there seems to be a hysterical reaction about it all over this NG.
It appears like many people enjoy gloating over someone's problems and
deficiencies. Don't we all have some? Shouldn't we show support
instead rather than try to knock somebody down? Somebody who
is trying to eke living by doing us a service?
If we don't like that service we don't have to buy it, but we should
still respect, and support, his efforts.
Am I only one who feels there must be more to it? Perhaps there is
someone behind the scene who just does not like to see this guy
succeed?
Patrick Barrett
Patrick Barrett
>
>Patrick Barrett wrote:
>
>>
>> Is this an example of the proverbial Aussie "tall poppy" syndrome in
>> action? Which means that any brave individual who has the guts to
>> start a new magazine needs to be put down?
>
>He didn't start a new one he had the old one and renamed it, the old one
>was resurrected and he bought it out,
>why did he do that???, can anyone explain that one?
I do not know. I don't know what the old name was anyway. Maybe he
wanted a better name, or maybe he wanted a fresh start after he bought
the magazine out. Maybe I would do the same; I don't know the
circumstances.
In any case, I can't see anything wrong with that. Certainly not
anything which would justify me badmouthing him.
If you are so curious, perhaps you should ask him directly rather
than speculating and automatically assuming ulterior motives.
>> Or is it that Aussie radio hobbyists don't reallly want their own
>> magazine and prefer to stick to imported foreign ones? (Which ones
>> in particular, I'd be interested to know?)
>
>ShortWave Magazine
>shits all over Radiomag even though it's a UK mag and costs twice as
>much
>Radio Active, a UK CB/Scanner mag, not available here anymore(?)
>
>Popular Communications(only available by mail now...too bad) same as
>above
>
>all have much more real interesting things and not slanted too much
>towards the Ham group
>
>Shortwave Magazine has Broadcast, Satellite TV, WX satellites, Data
>Modes(HF/VHF/UHF), SSB Utes, DXTV, Amateur bands, Propagation,
>Pirates,Numbers stations and thats just the regular columns, then tehre
>are the rig reviews, DXpeditions, features on readers shacks/gear,
>antenna designs and more
>
>Popular comms had a similar mix
I know all these mags. You also forgot the US based Monitoring Times
which I much prefer. But this is my personal preference, and there is
no need to enter any arguments on the relative merits of any of these
magazines, as everyone has different needs.
However, this current personal preference of mine for a particular US
magazine still does not give me any reason to belittle a little Aussie
bloke who is attempting to start a radio hobby magazine in a small
country, in a declining (and obviously rather ungrateful) market. In
my opinion he is rather brave and deserves to succeed.
Patrick Barrett
Kevcat
Patrick Barrett wrote:
>
> Well, he's just only started hasn't he? I hear this is his second or
> third issue, is that right? So you're not giving him much chance to
> develop towards success.
>
No like I said
he has had the magazine for over a year
the last 4 were delayed more than a litle bit one was actually 2 months
he is not new to putting together a magazine, he was doing if as editor
of R & C magazine for 2(?) years
so he has years to get it right
If you followed the posts you would have seen what most people are upset
about
he had a good mag, changed it's name and it's content
The old magazine's contibutors resurected the old mag undre it's old
name
and it was a better mag, the Chris Edmonson bought it out and
incorperated it into his mag, and we lost a good magazine again
that is what has pissed off most people here
Kev
Axle Jack
nobody would have minded, in fact he would have got praise for trying. But
he took over a good mag, changed the content, changed its name, then when
the original title kept going and started to get much better, moved in on
that one and now its worse than its ever been. And the big shame is, its
Australias only radio mag. If there had been an alterative we could have
bought it instead, but we cant, which is probably why people are whinging
about it all on the web.
Peter Brown
magazine with BALANCE and with CONTENT they like to read not WEIGHTED
content that the Editor wants to see..
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>
John
post from Patrick has again done the job.
No-one is putting down Edmonnson as a Tall Poppy, blooody hell he's
vertically and horizontally challenged for openers. The reason he
copts so much crap is simply because he's Edmonnson, egotistical,
arrogant (with no basis for so being), a user of contributors (fact at
lerast one contrib, missing from this issue, claims to have not been
paid, again,), unable to produce an acceptable issue even close to on
time. He is NOT new to the magazine and should have learnt by now what
is required to produce a decent and on time magazine, also how to work
wirth contribs rather than ignore them, particularly after using their
material. The facts of the R&C takeover remain a mystery other than I
understand he took advanage of the previous editors hospital stay to
go in under his guard. I still hope that one day we'll hear the REAL
story behind this ==are you reading this Len Shaw?
John
Daniel
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roughplanet
Edmondson, and the history of Radio & Communications & RadioMag magazines.
Chris Edmondson has had a chequered career as
the 'on again, off again' editor of Radio & Communications, which was
originally Amateur Radio Action.CB action was also subsequently included in
R&C, which Chris edited, pretty much as a one man band until, in around
December of last year, the owners, David Syme & Co. decided, for business
reasons, to cut it adrift. Rumours abound as to what actually happened, but
to the best of my knowledge (and memory), what the readers were told was
that
(a) Chris was unable to fund the purchase of the magazine, which was
subsequently bought by Jack Haden, VK2GJH, a long time contributor to the
magazine, with the help of Cinch Publishing, and with ARA, CB Action and R&
C's original editor, Len Shaw VK3ALS at the helm once again. The
January/February, March, April, May, June & July 2001 issues of R&C bore
Len's name, but the magazine failed to appear in August, and rumours
circulating at the time suggested that the magazine had been sold to Chris
Edmondson &
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Travis Mackay
Just got the magazine in the post and turned straight to the scanning
part.
Anyway the WA section for the police is inaccurate as he states at the
end, please goto the warsug http://www.warsug.cjb.net/ site if your a
WA scanner user, did Allen read frank's (frankly scanning it was
called, we even did a small bit about the perth bus companies,
channels, freqs, callsigns, subtones, locations of repeaters, nearly
had some pictures of one repeater which i got on my web site
somewhere, but it got knocked back then Frank got dumped) article he
did for radiomag about the WA police. Oh well. Anyway you get better
info and up to date info from the net.
Also if you want to talk to us warsug (Western Australian Radio
Scanner Users Group) members (we have to much time on our hands) drop
into our irc channel on oz.org, #radiowaves, any scanner user or
interested party is welcome to have a peek.
We need more eastern states users on , come on people. fire up your
irc client and have ago we won't bite.
Have a happy safe christmas and good festive season.
TM
a.k.a. the_fruit on #radiowaves
Ralf RF
shit I agree, if your saying you can get all the info you require from the
Web and F*** the mag I also agree, if your saying the mag is made up by
embarking on a huge cut and paste campaign I also agree
The mag is dead and buried, some don't know it yet but they'll find out
sooner or later
Oh and just for you ? cause I know you like it.
Ralf RF lol lol lol lol lmfao
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Patrick Barrett
<rough...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hi. Thanks for the interesting background info (of which I indeed have
not been aware). However, I believe your original intended message has
been accidentally cut short? Below is all that I received.
So far, I have not seen anything yet which would worry me. From an
unbiased point of view, what you essentially appear to be saying is
that this Chris Edmondson has been in this industry for a while, on
and off, employed by big boss publishers for various radio magazines
and struggling to make his mark. Why not; maybe he just loves radio.
That passion and staying power deserves his first plus mark on my
scoreboard.
He probably always wanted to buy a mag and become a big publisher
himself, but, as you say, he didn't have the money. So what, I
probably wouldn't have the money either; it's not such a terrible
offence to be poor. In fact, I'd give him another plus mark for his
working class background (but you'd say I am biased, so I won't. ;-)
He also seems to be rather capable because, as you say, his former
magazine was essentially a "one man band". I honestly do not think I
could produce a magazine all by myself. (OK, maybe a 4-page black and
white one, if I work really hard.) So, it's the second plus mark for
Chris on my scoreboard, for his hard work and capability.
Then I presume he eventually managed to make or borrow enough money,
and negotiate a good deal, and so finally fulfill his life dream: now
he is a Publisher and he owns a Magazine. And he probably still does
it all himself working 12 hours a day to make ends meet and pay off
his debts. Well, what's so despicable about that? I actually find it
admirable. Which results in the third "plus" for Chris: he had a dream
and he did his best to make the dream happen. How many of us have done
the same thing?
Now please give me some real hard evidence of his wrongdoings, not
based on rumours, so that I can also start writing down some minuses
and, eventually, with clear conscience, join his haters club.
Patrick Barrett
Ralf RF
You can join the RadioMag haters club for free, there's no silly
questionnaire, no forms and the biggest bonus, no RadioMag.
Ralf RF
lol lol lol lmfao
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roughplanet
hi.
I have included the 'article' in it's entirety this time. I hope it
satisfies your thirst for knowledge. If, after reading it, you still believe
that Chris is not deserving of the poor press he has been receiving, then,
to use your own words, 'you are (indeed) the only one who feels there must
be more to it'.
Regards,
Ruff
Hello Patrick By your own admission, you " do not know " much about Mr.Chris
Edmondson, and the history of Radio & Communications & RadioMag magazines.
Chris Edmondson has had a chequered career as the 'on again, off again'
editor of Radio & Communications, which was originally Amateur Radio
Action.CB action was also subsequently included in R&C, which Chris edited,
pretty much as a one man band until, in around December of last year, the
owners, David Syme & Co. decided, for business reasons, to cut it adrift.
Rumours abound as to what actually happened, but to the best of my knowledge
(and memory), what the readers were told was
that
(a) Chris was unable to fund the purchase of the magazine, which was
subsequently bought by Jack Haden, VK2GJH, a long time
contributor to the magazine, with the help of Cinch Publishing, and
with ARA, CB Action and R&C's original editor, Len Shaw
VK3ALS at the helm once again. The January/February, March,
April, May, June & July 2001 issues of R&C bore Len's name, but
the magazine failed to appear in August, and rumours circulating at the
time suggested that the magazine had been sold to Chris Edmondson.
(b) Not to be outdone, our intrepid Editor Chris Edmondson, on losing
his beloved R&C, launched his own magazine, RadioMag, which, up
until the first issue of the combined RadioMag/R&C in late
September, had managed only 2 issues, the second of which was so
late that the reasons for it's lateness became a feature article in
their
own right! It could only happen in Chris Edmondson's magazine......
Neither of the two issues contained very little worthwhile reading, as
most of the better contributors were still writing for R&C.
(c) Then came RadioMag/R&C which caught most of us by surprise, to
say the least. Gone were Len Shaw, Bob Bell, Greg Towells, Russell
Bryant, Craig Seager, and Jim Smith. The next issue would see
several more of the handful of remaining contributors missing from the
pages, giving some credence to rumours concerning the apparent non-
payment of a number of the 'regulars'. I should add at this point that
I
cannot either confirm or deny these rumours as they are just that;
rumours. However, what I can say is that at least two of the many
contributors to the magazines of which Chris Edmondson was editor
have personally advised me of problems relating to payment for
services rendered, one of them in writing. But again, I cannot confirm
or deny the legitimacy of these claims. What I can confirm was that
the October/November issue was cobbled together with whatever
Chris could lay his hands on, most of which bore no relation to radio
communications at all. Shame Chris, shame.
(d) Finally, the December issue of RadioMag/R&C hit the newstands 3
weeks late, and without it's editorial, which failed to make the
magazine, but turned up on the web site, another 'first' for Chris. At
least we were spared another feature sized apology. This time, the
ultimate in arrogance; no apology at all. And as for content, well, to
be fair, it's a little better than the previous issue, but that's not
saying
very much at all. And as for contributors, there's barely any of the
original R&C crew left at all.
So Patrick, that concludes a potted history into the Chris Edmondson saga.
Many people, myself included would very much like to know just what
transpired to deliver R&C, a well respected magazine which even during Len's
heart attack, still made the newstands on time, into the clutches of Chris
Edmondson, who's bumbling incompetence has reduced our last remaining
Communications magazine to a joke. Will somebody who knows something PLEASE
PUT THEIR HAND UP. Or are we, the magazine buying public, destined to remain
in ignorance forever?
"Patrick Barrett" <arb...@altavista.net> wrote in message
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rOn Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:50:23 +1100, "roughplanet"
<rough...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hi. Thanks for the interesting background info (of which I indeed have
not been aware). However, I believe your original intended message has
been accidentally cut short? Below is all that I received.
So far, I have not seen anything yet which would worry me. <snip>
Now please give me some real hard evidence of his wrongdoings, not
based on rumours, so that I can also start writing down some minuses
and, eventually, with clear conscience, join his haters club.
Patrick Barrett
"Patrick Barrett" <arb...@altavista.net> wrote in message
Patrick Barrett
<rough...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hi Ruff,
Thank you for providing the complete story. I was expecting some real
juicy saga, with evidence of serious wrongdoings, but I could not find
any allegation of such serious wrongdoings, let alone any evidence.
The rumours that the magazine failed to pay its contributors in time
are not relevant. And if some contributors were dumped, well,
it is precisely the job of the editor to decide on whose writing he
likes and doesn't like, and it is none of our business to insist on
which writers he selects. If we don't like the end result, we don't
buy the magazine. The magazine appeared to have financial difficulties
(otherwise, why would David Syme & Co. want to get rid of it?), so
changes were obviously necessary.
And of course you mention the terrible "crime" of two magazine issues
being late, and one without an editorial (which was later supplied on
the Web, which as you yourself pointed out, was another
Chris's first. ;-)
And the "ultimate in arrogance" (in your own words) for there having
been no apology for the lateness of the last issue. Well lucky you,
you obviously have not seen *really* arrogant people in action yet.
Apart from that, I found plenty of prejudice. Even the language used
appears to betray badly concealed bias, such as in the sentence
"...Not to be outdone, our intrepid Editor Chris Edmondson, on losing
his beloved R&C...". Sorry, this sort of ridicule is having the exact
opposite of the desired effect in my ears: to me this smacks of envy.
Well, I am sorry, I now have to stick to what I said in my original
post, and even more strongly so. The treatment that this chap seems to
be getting here does not seem to be justified. Where exactly the bias
against him is coming from, I am still not sure. As I said earlier
maybe this is the tall poppy syndrome in action, or maybe you have
another axe to grind which you are not telling us about. Maybe you
wanted to buy that magazine. Or maybe you are a shareholder of one of
the imported foreign ones. Or perhaps one of the dumped contributors
is you or your friend.
Patrick Barrett
roughplanet
Hi Ruff,
Patrick Barrett
Hello again Patrick. I am sorry to disappoint you, but neither I nor anyone
else suggested that there was anything 'juicy' about Chris Edmondson, nor
that he had committed any serious wrong doings. I don't for a minute believe
that this is the case. So once again Patrick you are wrong. Its becoming a
habit...... I have been accused on two occasions recently of being Chris
Edmondson's apologist, rather than have any bias against him, but that is
clearly a role that you have usurped. I have no interest in any magazine,
radio related or otherwise, and only know several of the contributors, many
more of whom refuse to write for Chris rather than the other way round, via
this newsgroup. The fact is I know a lot more about this matter which cannot
be openly discussed, but I would have thought a fellow as clever as you
think you are would have realised that. I'm afraid it is you who are showing
bias, and I suspect that you are every bit as arrogant as Chris has shown
himself, on occasions, to be, which is in all probability the reason you are
the ONLY person in this newsgroup who supports him. Then again, maybe you
fancy yourself as a troll, but if so, you'll find that a pretty fruitless
exercise here too.
So back in your box Patrick. If you are really so fond of Chris, ring him up
and tell him, or better still, perhaps you would like to write for him. I
wonder how many unpaid articles you would pen before the ink ran dry?
Yours in radio,
Ruff
FatManMex
> So what are you saying here ? If your saying the mag is not worth a pinch of
Ralf, congrats on your credits in the opening pages of RadioRag
bucks...@hotmail.com
and a good read. As always, there is room for improvement and you
can't please everybody.
Constructuve unbiased comment is healthy & useful, but it is difficult
to pay much attention to some of the illiterate rubbish that is posted
here by only a handful.
To do the whole thing by himself - you have to hand it to the guy.
There was also comment from one contributor about not being paid or
delayed payment, and I have no doubt that it happened, but would be
curious to know the other side of the story.
Difficult to know how you determine the real situation re reader
satisfaction.
Ralf RF
Ralf RF lol lol lol lol lmfao
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Richard Jary
I have my own problems with the mag as I detailed the other day. But you
seem to have some sort of personal vendetta going.
If you don't like it, don't f**cking buy it and stop whinging. I sent a
list of suggestions to the group which Chris responded to offline,
nobody else has bothered making any suggestions about what they want to
see.
So either everybody here:
a) doesn't read it and doesn't care
b) does read it and is happy
c) reads it but wishes there would be changes - but can't be bothered
saying what they are
d) doesn't read it but would if there were changes - but won't say what
changes
e) is Ralf RF who reads it solely to complain about it
I'm not about to defend Chris on delivery times or anything else. But I
believe he wants to make it work.
In reality, a mag chasing one market in Oz won't work - not enough
people to buy it. So we have to have a compromise. And if enough people
say what they want to read and would buy, I think Chris will target
that. Or if you think you have a topic you could write about and people
would be interested, let him know. Then it's his call.
But just complaining it is rubbish doesn't help anybody.
Richard
VK3XEM®
He should either come up with CONSTRUCTIVE critism or suggestions to improve
it.
73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
Packet: VK3XEM@VK3BBS.#MEL.VIC.AUS.OC
E-mail: vk3...@victoriapolice.net
vk3...@vk3xem.net
vk3...@vk3xem.cjb.net
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Ralf RF
didn't know) I'll retire Ralf RF to the world of defunct I.D's. But before
Ralf RF leaves I'd like to say just how surprising it is that so many people
take these BS news groups so seriously, so as Ralf RF rides of into the sun
set you can all get back to the day to day drone of the boring posts that
await you in the future. Oh and by the way RadioMag really does suk.
Ralf RF
The last lol.
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Lungfish
evil radio rag, or it will start to consume the free time of radio
hobbyists all around Australia, until even then, they will make
promises to arrive on time and turn up 3 weeks late!!!
No NO !! Don't go!!!!!!
Lungfish
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:31:32 +1100, "Ralf RF" <ral...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Patrick Barrett
Pat
gromit
Travis Mackay <goawayspam@mackat@start.com.au> wrote:
>Anyway the WA section for the police is inaccurate as he states at the
>end, please goto the warsug http://www.warsug.cjb.net/ site if your a
>WA scanner user, did Allen read frank's (frankly scanning it was
>called, we even did a small bit about the perth bus companies,
>channels, freqs, callsigns, subtones, locations of repeaters, nearly
>had some pictures of one repeater which i got on my web site
>somewhere, but it got knocked back then Frank got dumped) article he
>did for radiomag about the WA police. Oh well. Anyway you get better
>info and up to date info from the net.
<snip>
Any chance of sending me a scan of this info? I happen to work for a
Perth Bus Company and can be heard running the 2-way from time to
time.
Phil
--
To reply delete "NOTHANKS."
Axle Jack
everything you said. Just a shame you couldnt have said it in a way that
didnt make you sound like a ranting obsessive:-)
Better luck with you next identity.
Travis Mackay
gromit
Travis Mackay <goawayspam@mackat@start.com.au> wrote:
>ok try http://www.iinet.net.au/~mackat/rept/
Thanks for the url. I knew our freqs (obviously) and the cirle route,
but the others were good to know.
--
Phil VK6KS
To reply delete "NOTHANKS."