Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

2WS ON THE MOVE

138 views
Skip to first unread message

Gail Bennett

unread,
Jul 22, 2001, 3:33:32 AM7/22/01
to
There is a story in today's Sunday Telegraph that says 2WS is moving from
Seven Hills to North Ryde. Is this correct? I hope not!


Colin Rowley

unread,
Jul 22, 2001, 8:16:09 AM7/22/01
to

"Gail Bennett" <vall...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b5a825b$0$20932$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

> There is a story in today's Sunday Telegraph that says 2WS is moving from
> Seven Hills to North Ryde. Is this correct? I hope not!

If its in the Sunday Telegraph it must be the truth.

Jamieson

unread,
Jul 22, 2001, 6:14:56 PM7/22/01
to
That was flagged some months ago.. not a new story.


"Gail Bennett" <vall...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b5a825b$0$20932$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

Windows 4X

unread,
Jul 23, 2001, 2:40:16 AM7/23/01
to
why would they do that??

2ws stands for 2 Western Sydney not 2IS
and they would have to build another transmitter perhaps
"Colin Rowley" <colinrow...@froggy.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b5ac...@mercury.planet.net.au...

Go Ahead Spam ME

unread,
Jul 23, 2001, 3:51:22 AM7/23/01
to
> why would they do that??

Because you could save money by moving MIX, WS and ONE FM into one building
just like the Auckland stations that the company owns

One receptionist , fewer techs, fewer reps, fewer promotions people fewer
announcers one automation system to maintain, no rent in a purpose built
station. + you could share voice talent in one production studio.

>
> 2ws stands for 2 Western Sydney not 2IS

So what?
One fm was called 2KA stands for Katoomba didn't stop em from moving that
to Penrith and now Blacktown.

> and they would have to build another transmitter perhaps

Why ? the TV and Radio transmitters in Wollongong are much further away from
the stations then Ryde is from 2WS's TX site.

It won't happen over night but it will happen


Gail Bennett

unread,
Jul 24, 2001, 7:30:02 AM7/24/01
to
> One fm was called 2KA stands for Katoomba didn't stop em from moving
that
> to Penrith and now Blacktown.
>
Let's see how old some people are here? Does anybody remember a stunt by an
announcer at 2KA when it was located above the State Bank building in
Katoomba. The announcer, Paul Simon, deliberately got drunk on air - he
ended up having a short radio career! The management KA allowed it to
happen!


Noodle

unread,
Jul 28, 2001, 11:35:36 PM7/28/01
to
I think most of us who worked at 2KA got drunk on air most of the time. It
was the most effective way of coping with the imbeciles in the sales
department :)

"Gail Bennett" <vall...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b5d5cf0$0$20942$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

The Macs - Wayne & Jan

unread,
Jul 31, 2001, 10:17:19 PM7/31/01
to
WRONG on the short career of Paul Simon. Short at 2KA perhaps. Paul, who
was in fact Paul Turner (not Paul J ex 4IP) was a helluva jock. One of the
all time great 70s screamers best rememembered for his work on 1420 'Free
Eggs Woy'.

He was also the original booth announcer on Countdown. He was the brians
behind those great radio specials The Prophecies of Nostradamus I and II.
Paul had another ground breaking special in the making at the time of his
death in the early 80s.

Regards
MAC

"> "Gail Bennett" <vall...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3b5d5cf0$0$20942$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

Gail Bennett

unread,
Aug 5, 2001, 2:41:24 AM8/5/01
to
thanks Mr McCardell - very interesting!


"The Macs - Wayne & Jan" <macm...@austarmetro.com.au> wrote in message
news:9k7kqv$64v$1...@news.eisa.net.au...

%^)

unread,
Aug 5, 2001, 7:23:50 PM8/5/01
to
Minutes to Midnight ?? . . Was his death untimely to the point of suspicion?
Was he privy to information that certain powers would did not want
broadcasted? Are we seeing the results of our want for Paul's insight with
the increasingling violent protests to GLOBALISATION?
I think the management and board of 2SM can answer these questions as they
are responsible for the obliteration of Paul's work and memory immediatly
after his death.
%^)

"The Macs - Wayne & Jan" <macm...@austarmetro.com.au> wrote in message
news:9k7kqv$64v$1...@news.eisa.net.au...

Garry Beattie

unread,
Aug 7, 2001, 3:11:38 PM8/7/01
to
"Windows 4X" <be...@milo.com> wrote in message
news:9jggt4$ego$1...@corolla.OntheNet.com.au...

> why would they do that??
>
> 2ws stands for 2 Western Sydney not 2IS

Yeah but 2KA stands for Katoomba and they will be moving too.

I don't think it matters a great deal if the studio's are in Western Sydney
or North Ryde. They are still in Sydney.

Now if they were moving to Melbourne of Brisbane then that would be a
different story.

Garry


Gail Bennett

unread,
Aug 10, 2001, 5:20:08 PM8/10/01
to
with 2WS it must be remembered that since they went to FM they have been
transmitting from Willoughby - not Seven Hills.

So does that mean Willoughby must be western suburbs?

Glenn P

unread,
Aug 11, 2001, 4:09:17 AM8/11/01
to

"Gail Bennett" <vall...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b7451d7$0$20906$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

> with 2WS it must be remembered that since they went to FM they have been
> transmitting from Willoughby - not Seven Hills.
>
> So does that mean Willoughby must be western suburbs?
>
>
Not to be picky, but 2WS never transmitted from Seven Hills, the AM 1224
towers were & still are, just off the side of the M4 at Prospect, on
Prospect Road not far from the old drive in theatre & Eastern Creek Raceway.
Also when they changed to FM their licence was changed from a West Sydney
only licence to a Sydney wide licence, (the same as 2DAY, Triple M, MIX106.5
& all the other AM & FM stations) & their official licence call sign was
also changed from 2WS to 2UUS FM, so there isn't actually any relationship
to "West Sydney" any more, the only reason they kept on calling it 2WS or
WSFM is that when pronounced, 2 Double U S, still sounds the same.


Andrew Bayley

unread,
Aug 13, 2001, 4:31:54 AM8/13/01
to

> Also when they changed to FM their licence was changed
from a West Sydney
> only licence to a Sydney wide licence, (the same as 2DAY,
Triple M, MIX106.5
> & all the other AM & FM stations) & their official licence
call sign was
> also changed from 2WS to 2UUS FM, so there isn't actually
any relationship
> to "West Sydney" any more, the only reason they kept on
calling it 2WS or
> WSFM is that when pronounced, 2 Double U S, still sounds
the same.

True, it is not uncommon in media circles to keep a
well-known name or trademark even when the original
'meaning' no longer applies... BIG example of this is The
Australian Women's Weekly which has actually been a monthly
for something like 20 years now.

This also applies to radio station callsigns that in many
cases the radio station today bears no relationship to the
actual callsign or trademark.... 2WS being an example as
above. 3AK was named after Akron Tyre Company (their
original owners), 3AW was also named after its original
owners. The owners and formats change but the names often
stay because that is what the public are familiar with, plus
there is a certain heritage associated with the names.


Dyna Soar

unread,
Aug 13, 2001, 5:25:33 AM8/13/01
to

"Andrew Bayley" <an...@NO.SPAM.4.ME.optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b7789d8$0$20932$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

.
>
> True, it is not uncommon in media circles to keep a
> well-known name or trademark even when the original
> 'meaning' no longer applies... BIG example of this is The
> Australian Women's Weekly which has actually been a monthly
> for something like 20 years now.

Well, it would have been bad form to have changed it to "Australian Women's
Monthly".

<g>


Tinman

unread,
Aug 14, 2001, 4:49:56 AM8/14/01
to
yeh well thanx for that... the gag is as old as the dinasour so i guess it's
appropriate


"Dyna Soar" <Dyna_s...@jREMOVE.THIS.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:h2Nd7.115541$Xr6.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

The Macs - Wayne & Jan

unread,
Aug 15, 2001, 9:57:11 AM8/15/01
to
Hi there %^)
Interesting conspiricy theory you've got there on Paul's passing. I suppose
you've heard the one about Paul's spirit being the ghost who 'haunted' Blues
Pt Rd for a number of years in the 80s. I recall Mike Hammond being one of
the spooked jocks late at night....... so we're talking '87 here, I guess.

And yes, I love to know what came of Paul's unfinished work. Do you know
who else was working on the project with him?

Regards
MAC

"%^)" <conf...@home.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b6dd5c7$0$20921$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

%^)

unread,
Aug 15, 2001, 3:50:10 PM8/15/01
to

"The Macs - Wayne & Jan" <macm...@austarmetro.com.au> wrote in message
news:9ldqsg$kr1$1...@news.eisa.net.au...

> Hi there %^)
> Interesting conspiricy theory you've got there on Paul's passing.

Is there a thread of truth there? It was a funny / weird time really. Stan
Deo and Cosmic Conspiracies notwithstanding.

>I suppose you've heard the one about Paul's spirit being the ghost who
'haunted' Blues
> Pt Rd for a number of years in the 80s. I recall Mike Hammond being one
of the spooked jocks late at night....... so we're talking '87 here, I
guess.

Hadn't heard that one but I've got to say that in two decades I've never
worked at a radio station that didn't have some spooky vibe about it. Used
to hear the one at Rangers Road and a co-worker said he actually saw it ..
Old Mr Albert? Must be attracted by the broadcast gear. Would make an
interesting topic .. Who's seen / felt ghosts at radio stations?

> And yes, I love to know what came of Paul's unfinished work. Do you know
> who else was working on the project with him?

Well Mr Mac I know a couple of fellas who were there but out of respect for
their privacy I will try and contact them off line and pass on your email
address. If they're reading this I suppose they'll contact you anyway. Is
your interest purely academic? I'd like to know more about Paul Turner's
work myself but never found any trace of it in the 2SM archives.
%^)


peter davidson

unread,
Aug 16, 2001, 9:11:02 AM8/16/01
to

. Would make an
> interesting topic .. Who's seen / felt ghosts at radio stations?

I think that most stations have one. There is one here in Darwin that hangs
around the old music library at night (which has since been converted to a
sales room - hey that would make an old jock want to haunt us!) and he was a
guy that worked here in the 8DN days. It is common to see a pair of polished
shoes and blue jeans wander by late at night!

> > And yes, I love to know what came of Paul's unfinished work. Do you
know
> > who else was working on the project with him?
>
> Well Mr Mac I know a couple of fellas who were there but out of respect
for
> their privacy I will try and contact them off line and pass on your email
> address. If they're reading this I suppose they'll contact you anyway. Is
> your interest purely academic? I'd like to know more about Paul Turner's
> work myself but never found any trace of it in the 2SM archives.
> %^)

Tell me whatever happened to those archives? I remember being on work
experience in 1991 at SM (Phil O'Neil - did mornings there in those days),
and they took me downstairs to this massive room full of dusty old reels -
and to read the spine's of the covers was enough to make a radio-nutter
teenager blow massive chunks. It was like striking gold!

With all the ownership changes since then - where is all this stuff these
days?

Pete


Paul Dengate

unread,
Aug 16, 2001, 7:54:51 PM8/16/01
to
> Tell me whatever happened to those archives? I remember being on work
> experience in 1991 at SM (Phil O'Neil - did mornings there in those days),
> and they took me downstairs to this massive room full of dusty old reels -
> and to read the spine's of the covers was enough to make a radio-nutter
> teenager blow massive chunks. It was like striking gold!
>
> With all the ownership changes since then - where is all this stuff these
> days?

I think 2WS ended up with it... probably sitting in their garage or turfed
out.

--

Paul Dengate
Email dingbat&mail.com (you know how to fix it)

Nick Weare

unread,
Aug 17, 2001, 8:38:21 AM8/17/01
to
we have them at ScreenSound Australia ( The National Screen and Sound
Archive).

"Paul Dengate" <insinc...@mailexcite.com> wrote in message
news:f3Ze7.124089$Xr6.6...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Tinman

unread,
Aug 18, 2001, 3:44:39 AM8/18/01
to
Thank God someone had the sense to archive them there Nick.

I remember some great hours back in the 70s going thru that stuff, and when
we recorded a month-long series of segments to wrap up the decade fro
Rocktober, the source available from the SM acrchives was simply invaluable.

"Nick Weare" <wea...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:lc8f7.888$U04....@ozemail.com.au...

m*star

unread,
Aug 19, 2001, 4:26:09 AM8/19/01
to
So can anyone go in and listen to these archives for free?

Nick Weare

unread,
Aug 19, 2001, 4:38:23 AM8/19/01
to
that depends. the 2sm material hasn't been catalogued yet, and is still in
hundreds of boxes. it also isn't our property . some of it may have
restrictions. most material held by the archive is accessible but there may
be some charges. have a look at
www.screensound.gov.au
however, the more material lodged with Screensoundby radio stations and
presenters, instead of being lost, the better the archive will be. so if
you have material you think is important, or may be useful, get in touch..
check the website
"m*star" <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B7F78...@hotmail.com...

The Macs - Wayne & Jan

unread,
Aug 20, 2001, 10:32:39 AM8/20/01
to
Mr %^)

I actually got a call from old Mr Albert, sorry, Sir Alexis at about 3 am in
Kent St, 20 odd years ago. Now that was pretty spooky in the early hours of
the morning . Not the phone call, the building. Anyway, he wanted me to
have a look in the car park to see if the Rolls had been left there. I had
a lot of calls from bosses in my time but never one like that. Nice old
fella really. Met up with him years later when he bought 2CC. He was
amused that AT LAST one of his stations played Alberts songs other than
those of JPY and TMG. He seemed to like that we played the Angels and Acca
Dacca in out mix - though not before midday!!!!

> Hadn't heard that one but I've got to say that in two decades I've never
> worked at a radio station that didn't have some spooky vibe about it. Used
> to hear the one at Rangers Road and a co-worker said he actually saw it ..
> Old Mr Albert? Must be attracted by the broadcast gear. Would make an
> interesting topic .. Who's seen / felt ghosts at radio stations?
>
> > And yes, I love to know what came of Paul's unfinished work. Do you
know
> > who else was working on the project with him?
>
> Well Mr Mac I know a couple of fellas who were there but out of respect
for
> their privacy I will try and contact them off line and pass on your email
> address. If they're reading this I suppose they'll contact you anyway. Is
> your interest purely academic?

Just curious that's all. But tell me %^) have we met or worked together???
As you can see I'm not one for this anonymity stuff, but I respect those
correspodents who require such cover so that they may flame away without
incurring death threats............. or worse.

> I'd like to know more about Paul Turner's work myself but never found any
trace of it in the 2SM archives.

I have both his Nostradamus specials in my collection. The ones he did at
XY. Wish I had an aircheck of him on XY......at his best then I think.
I've got one at 2KA, circa '74. It's pretty ordinary.

I didn't see anything else of Paul's work when I had one of the last known
opportunities to thumb through that great body 2SM stuff in 1999, pre Billy
Boy. See other posting from Nick at SSA. That will tell you where the
Archive now resides. Mind you the Catholics still own the stuff. And Bill
& co still have about a dozen boxes of various old gems over there at
Pyrmont. Hope he doesn't chuck em.

Cheers
MAC

%^)

unread,
Aug 20, 2001, 7:46:32 PM8/20/01
to

"The Macs - Wayne & Jan" <macm...@austarmetro.com.au> wrote in message
news:9lr2qj$8m4$1...@news.eisa.net.au...
>snipped>

> I actually got a call from old Mr Albert, sorry, Sir Alexis at about 3 am
in
> Kent St, 20 odd years ago. Now that was pretty spooky in the early hours
of > the morning .

Was pretty spooky knowing that every day Old Mr Albert was listening for the
top of the hour time out. It had to be on the button even though pips were
not played.

> Just curious that's all. But tell me %^) have we met or worked
together???
> As you can see I'm not one for this anonymity stuff, but I respect those
> correspodents who require such cover so that they may flame away without
> incurring death threats............. or worse.

Email address is active now if you'd like to correspond. No .. we haven't
crossed paths Mr Mac. I use an alias as I am involved with a variety of
radio stations and networks. Generally if I do flame I do so via email.
Kind of like going out the back to have a fight.

>didn't see anything else of Paul's work when I had one of the last known
> opportunities to thumb through that great body 2SM stuff in 1999, pre
Billy
> Boy. See other posting from Nick at SSA. That will tell you where the
> Archive now resides. Mind you the Catholics still own the stuff. And
Bill
> & co still have about a dozen boxes of various old gems over there at
> Pyrmont. Hope he doesn't chuck em.

I've been through the stuff as well. I was about 1994. It was amazing what
was there.
As for seeing Nicks post? Did not see it! Whenever I log onto the newsgroup
it gets shorter and shorter. Right now all I can see are posts from 20/08/01
on. I'm a bit of a schmuck with 'puters but I don't know why this happens.
As a result I cant follow threads if I don't log on every day.
%^)


Michael Pfeiffer

unread,
Aug 22, 2001, 7:12:40 AM8/22/01
to

Andrew Bayley <an...@NO.SPAM.4.ME.optusnet.com.au> wrote (among other
things) in message
news:3b7789d8$0$20932$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

>
> This also applies to radio station callsigns that in many
> cases the radio station today bears no relationship to the
> actual callsign or trademark.... 2WS being an example as
> above. 3AK was named after Akron Tyre Company (their
> original owners), 3AW was also named after its original
> owners. The owners and formats change but the names often
> stay because that is what the public are familiar with, plus
> there is a certain heritage associated with the names.
>

Some of these callsigns are very obvious (like 4QR: I'm guessing Queensland
Radio?, 4BH - Bowen Hills) but what about others like 4KQ and 2KO etc?

Anyone know what these or other call signs are named for?

Cheers,
Michael


Andrew Bayley

unread,
Aug 22, 2001, 8:42:27 AM8/22/01
to
Some radio callsigns have no significant origin at all....
3UZ and 3XY are actually not initials for anything... they
were just letters chosen for the callsign.

3LO was actually named after a radio station 2LO in London,
although for reasons I'm not sure of.

3DB was named after Druleigh Business College, the station's
original owner. It's successor 3TT was possibly named after
it's frequency which at the time was "ten twentysix".

Not sure what the origins of 3EE (now Magic 693) are,
although at time of its launch in 1992, it was suggested
that it possibly referred to WerribEE which is near where
the transmitter is located.


"Michael Pfeiffer" <mpfe...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
message news:8tMg7.1023$vI2....@ozemail.com.au...

Paul Melville Austin

unread,
Aug 22, 2001, 5:01:19 PM8/22/01
to
Whatever and if the calls were chosen for i still think 3EE sounds cool in a jingle!

"Andrew Bayley" <an...@NO.SPAM.4.ME.optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3b83a202$0$20941$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>...

James Musgrave

unread,
Aug 22, 2001, 5:32:56 PM8/22/01
to
Here's a few for you:

2GB = Giordino Bruno (Italian Philosopher)
2HD = Henry Douglas
2SM = St Marks Church
2UE = Electrical Utilities (they thought 2EU sounded too much like "who are
you?")

James Musgrave

Michael Pfeiffer <mpfe...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:8tMg7.1023$vI2....@ozemail.com.au...
>

Glenn P

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 5:17:50 AM8/23/01
to
2KO stands for Kotara, a suburb of Newcastle where the stations first
studios were set up, in the guy who owned its' back shed.
2SB - Sydney Broadcasters later became 2BL - Broadcasters Ltd.
2FC - Farmer & Co. later became 2RN - Radio National
4BC - J.B.Chandler & Co.
5AD - Advertiser Newspapers
2NC - Newcastle (ABC)
2CH - Council of Churches
2GO - Gosford
2LM - Lismore
2LT - Lithgow
2MC - Mid Coast
2NM - Newcastle Muswellbrook
2KA - Katoomba (Now 9inety6ix.1)
I could go on but I wont, some are basically easy to work out & are only
named after the place they're located, some have a history & are named after
the person or company that first owned them, others have no relation to
anything.

"Michael Pfeiffer" <mpfe...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:8tMg7.1023$vI2....@ozemail.com.au...

> Some of these callsigns are very obvious (like 4QR: I'm guessing

Andrew Chapman

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 5:29:24 AM8/23/01
to
4BH = Bald Hills....
This was the original BH site

Andrew


"Glenn P" <johnn...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3b84ca4b$0$20910$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

m*star

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 6:47:06 AM8/23/01
to
I thought 2SM was from St Mary's Church?

Where the hell did they get 4SS's precursor from - 4NA?

What, were all other callsigns 'Not Available' or does it mean that the
station was married?

Marcus Fitz-Gerald,
Brisbane

mcf...@hotmail.com

Keystar

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 7:40:06 AM8/23/01
to
St. Mary's Cathedral, Sydney.

--
Bob
~~~


"m*star" <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:3B84DF...@hotmail.com...

Michael Pfeiffer

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 7:39:43 AM8/23/01
to
4NA = Nambour.

Does anyone know of the origin of the KQ in 4KQ? It's always puzzled me.

Cheers,
Michael


m*star <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B84DF...@hotmail.com...

Mrs Palmer

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 9:29:23 AM8/23/01
to
4SS perhaps "Sunshine State"?

"m*star" <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B84DF...@hotmail.com...

Thomas 'bacco007' Baxter

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 6:10:03 PM8/23/01
to
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:17:50 +1000, "Glenn P"
<johnn...@REMOVEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:

`2KO stands for Kotara, a suburb of Newcastle where the stations first


`studios were set up, in the guy who owned its' back shed.
`2SB - Sydney Broadcasters later became 2BL - Broadcasters Ltd.
`2FC - Farmer & Co. later became 2RN - Radio National
`4BC - J.B.Chandler & Co.
`5AD - Advertiser Newspapers
`2NC - Newcastle (ABC)
`2CH - Council of Churches
`2GO - Gosford
`2LM - Lismore
`2LT - Lithgow
`2MC - Mid Coast
`2NM - Newcastle Muswellbrook
`2KA - Katoomba (Now 9inety6ix.1)

2TM - Tamwoirth
2DU - Dubbo

Chris Coleman

unread,
Aug 23, 2001, 11:48:27 PM8/23/01
to
"Glenn P" wrote...

> 2NM - Newcastle Muswellbrook

NO NO NO NO NO! But a common misconception.

Ken Robinson (GM at the time) had an army number beginning with "NX"
and used these letters for his Newcastle station. The NM came about
because he was playing with combinations of letters until he found
something that flowed nicely after "NX". The "NM" actually doesn't
mean anything, it just sounded good.

Cheers,

Chris Coleman
PD 2NM

Adam Lawrence

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 2:33:09 AM8/24/01
to
So what possiby could 2XL snowy Mountains mean?

*giggles from the peanut stalls here You've got to love it when some
silly bubbly shela looks over your shoulder and wonders what you're
doing don't you*

By the way, was it just a case of there not being enough letters for the
callsigns of the stations that they now have 3 letters? All new stations
have 3 letters, wether they use them or not,

2VLY = Power FM. Valley (Hunter) being a plausable assumption
2NUR = Newcastle University Radio Perhaps.

And why can the old station keep their 2 letter call sign? And why did
TV get 3 letters when two would have been more than sufficient for the
number of tv stations in australia? Oh and another thing, um what was it
... oh yeah, when an AM station buys an FM license why can they keep
their callsign so you can have something like this

1413 2KO >>> 102.9 KOFM
1341 2NX >>> 106.9 NXFM
Heh, it might be something about being Austereo! Either way, 2 great
stations serving their audience well. I will agree that when

1107 2UW >>> 106.5 MIXFM came around there were a few people who didn't
understand ... even though MIX/UE sent people out to personally tune the
new station in for them ...

One can understand the desire to stop making things too hard for the
listener to understand hey!

Questions questions questions ...

Newcastle and the Hunter Valley.

Keystar

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 2:52:02 AM8/24/01
to

FM conversions don't keep their 2 letter callsigns even though they may still
use them on air. Examples;

MIX FM Sydney = 2WFM
WS FM Sydney = 2UUS
KO FM Newcastle = 2KKO
NX FM Newcastle = 2XXX
96.1 Sydney = 2ONE
MIX Melbourne = 3TTT
GOLD Melbourne = 3KKZ
2GO FM Gosford = 2GGO
--
Bob
~~~
"Adam Lawrence" <leig...@turboweb.net.au> wrote in message
news:3B85F524...@turboweb.net.au...


> So what possiby could 2XL snowy Mountains mean?
>

Adam Lawrence

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 3:00:39 AM8/24/01
to

I didn't think that there was anything geographically about those two,
I did once hear that 2NM was once referred to as Upper Hunter 2NX, but
never that their call signs meant anything geographically! But now NX
and NM are as far apart in terms of being one with the other as they can
be aren't they, NX is our Austereo and NM is ... who are they with these
days?

Brad Granger

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 4:15:35 AM8/24/01
to
St Marks -the Brothers.

"m*star" <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B84DF...@hotmail.com...

Glenn P

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 4:59:52 AM8/24/01
to

"Adam Lawrence" <leig...@turboweb.net.au> wrote in message
news:3B85F524...@turboweb.net.au...
And why did
> TV get 3 letters when two would have been more than sufficient for the
> number of tv stations in australia? Oh and another thing

The last letter in a TV stations call sign is related to what state it's in
e.g. All NSW stations end in N, all Victorian stations end in V, all
Queensland stations end in Q.
ATN, TCN, TEN - Sydney
NBN - Newcastle
NEN - (Prime) Tamworth
NRN - (Ten Northern ) Coffs Harbour
WIN - Wollongong
ATV,GTV,HSV - Melbourne
BTQ,QTQ,TVQ - Brisbane, etc.
The last letter for TV is the same as the first number in radio.

Glenn P

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 5:17:23 AM8/24/01
to

"Adam Lawrence" <leig...@turboweb.net.au> wrote in message
news:3B85FB97...@turboweb.net.au...

> I didn't think that there was anything geographically about those two,
> I did once hear that 2NM was once referred to as Upper Hunter 2NX, but
> never that their call signs meant anything geographically! But now NX
> and NM are as far apart in terms of being one with the other as they can
> be aren't they, NX is our Austereo and NM is ... who are they with these
> days?

Back in the good old days (Pre. 90's) 2NM & 2NX were both owned by Hunter
Broadcasters Pty. Ltd. based at NX in Newcastle, during the day both
stations broadcast separately, but after about 6pm till dawn, 2NM became a
direct relay of 2NX complete with NX advertising, (early form of networking)
& on air station ID's were announced as 2NXNM.
That's probably why you've heard of it as Upper Hunter 2NX.
I knew NX wasn't related to anything geographically & didn't think it
related to anything at all (Thanks for the info Chris), but because NX & NM
were owned by the same company & NM was so closely aligned with NX, that's
why I thought NM stood for Newcastle Muswellbrook, to align the two cities &
stations.


Wayne Mac

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 5:49:41 AM8/24/01
to
Hi Marcus

Some say SM is taken St Mary's (after the Cathedral) but the one I've heard
to be most authoritative is that it's after St Marks at Drummoyne (suburb of
Sydney). This is because 2SM's "founding father" (pun intended) was the
parish priest from St Marks back in those old old days. Like, 1931 right!

4NA, later 4SS, comes from the station's original service area (home town I
guess) Nambour.

Regards
MAC

"m*star" <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3B84DF...@hotmail.com...

Andrew Bayley

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 6:46:46 AM8/24/01
to
> By the way, was it just a case of there not being enough
letters for the
> callsigns of the stations that they now have 3 letters?
All new stations
> have 3 letters, wether they use them or not,
>
> 2VLY = Power FM. Valley (Hunter) being a plausable
assumption
> 2NUR = Newcastle University Radio Perhaps.

The general rule is that FM stations have a three letter
official callsign - applies to both existing FM stations and
others that have converted from AM. AM stations generally
have two (and there are exceptions to the rule, for
instance, 4TAB in Brisbane who officially changed their
letters from 4IP)

ABC stations can be slightly different, depending which of
the 5 networks they belong to...

> And why can the old station keep their 2 letter call sign?
And why did
> TV get 3 letters when two would have been more than
sufficient for the
> number of tv stations in australia? Oh and another thing,
um what was it
> ... oh yeah, when an AM station buys an FM license why can
they keep
> their callsign so you can have something like this
>
> 1413 2KO >>> 102.9 KOFM
> 1341 2NX >>> 106.9 NXFM

Their official callsigns change to reflect the
conversion.... but just not used on-air.... I'm not sure
what the Newcastle station official callsigns are... but 3TT
in Melbourne became 3TTT ("TTFM"), 3KZ became 3KKZ, 4BK
became 4BBB ("B105"), 5KA became 5KKA and then 5MMM... 6KY
became 6JKY but is now 6MIX.

SCOTT MITCHELL

unread,
Aug 24, 2001, 8:55:31 AM8/24/01
to
Well 4KZ innisfail is simply its own call sign. However 98.3 Kool fm (owned
by same company) is 4ZKZ. What KZ or ZKZ means i am not real sure of....

"Adam Lawrence" <leig...@turboweb.net.au> wrote in message

news:3B85F524...@turboweb.net.au...

Richard Jary

unread,
Aug 25, 2001, 3:52:52 AM8/25/01
to
If we want to be really obvious, add 2GF Grafton. Also 2MC used to be 2KM
for Kempsey.

2GO Gosford (now FM). 2DU Dubbo. 2LT Lithgow, 2CA Canberra (actually
interesting the AM stations have a 2 prefix but the FM ones start with 1).

Richard

Richard Jary

unread,
Aug 25, 2001, 3:55:23 AM8/25/01
to

Adam Lawrence wrote:

> So what possiby could 2XL snowy Mountains mean?

I've managed a reply from both 2XL Cooma and another 2XL in New Zealand :-)

> 1107 2UW >>> 106.5 MIXFM came around there were a few people who didn't
> understand ... even though MIX/UE sent people out to personally tune the
> new station in for them ...

2UW was Universal Wireless.

Richard

Paul Mech

unread,
Aug 25, 2001, 6:00:45 AM8/25/01
to
"Michael Pfeiffer" <mpfe...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:8tMg7.1023$vI2....@ozemail.com.au...
> Anyone know what these or other call signs are named for?

Hawkesbury Radio, 89.9 FM (callsign, 2VTR)
We used to use 2VTR on air until about 1995 when we began IDing ourselves as
Hawkesbury Radio. As for what VTR stands for, Five Towns Radio, with the
Roman Number "V" being used instead of the 5. Those 5 towns being Governor
Macquarie's five towns when the area was first settled in the early 1800's,
with those towns being Richmond, Windsor, Pitt Town, Vineyard and
Castlereagh.
--
Paul


Andy Grace

unread,
Aug 25, 2001, 8:03:23 AM8/25/01
to
Back in about 1993 or 94 when I was working
in Canberra, the ABA gave Canberra stations
the option of converting to a callsign with a prefix
of 1.

Back then, 2KIX - (the old KIX106 - Mac ya king!)
opted to change the name to 1CBR. That was the
time Alberts/ARN decided to change format from
pop/dance to AC - also renamed the station to
Canberra FM, which a couple of years later turned into
MIX106.3 as it is now.

AndyG!

m*star

unread,
Aug 29, 2001, 9:23:40 AM8/29/01
to
2NM, whatever the story behind it has one of the best night time
coverage in oz! Comes in clear almost anywhere in the eastern states.

Is the transmitter on a hill or is it just good luck?

Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane

mcf...@hotmail.com

Paul Nicholson

unread,
Aug 30, 2001, 3:09:55 PM8/30/01
to
I think back in the Rod Muir days everyone believed that 2SM stood for "Sock
it to Me". I'm sure they used the "sock it to me station" ID at one stage!
Paul in Melbourne
"Andy Grace" <an...@andygrace.com> wrote in message
news:fuMh7.147795$Xr6.8...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Andrew Bayley

unread,
Aug 31, 2001, 10:13:17 AM8/31/01
to
Talking about callsigns, I always thought 3SR was for
"Shepparton Radio" but according to 3SRFM's website
http://www.3srfm.com.au it stood for Staniforth Rickettson,
then chairman of the station.

From the website, 3SR was originally 3WR in Wangaratta, but
it relocated to Shepparton in 1934 and then Argus
Broadcasting bought it in 1937 and changed the callsign to
3SR.


"Paul Nicholson" <p...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cwj7.2607$jK5....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Estelle

unread,
Sep 2, 2001, 5:15:27 AM9/2/01
to
m*star <mcf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3B8CEC...@hotmail.com>...


The 2NM transmitter is in the middle of a cow paddock next to the
Hunter River which floods every winter and comes very close to the
transmitter hut and towers. So, as you can tell, it's in a very
low-lying area, next to a coal mine.

Estelle

Adam Lawrence

unread,
Sep 2, 2001, 10:00:23 PM9/2/01
to
:) Probably one of the few places left that won't get mined in the too
distant future, those mines can move mountains ... literally ... and
almost overnight!

Newcastle and the Hinter Valley

Estelle wrote:
<snip here and there>

mikedor...@gmail.com

unread,
Mar 15, 2013, 12:10:16 AM3/15/13
to
Hi Mac

Any idea if The Prophecies of Nostradamus 2SM specials are on the Internet? I remember listening to that special and clearly remember one of the prdictions being the fall of the World Trade Centre buildings (two brothers). I'm desperate to have a listen to them again. Please help.

Regards
Mike

On Monday, 20 August 2001 23:27:46 UTC+10, Wayne Mac wrote:
> Mr %^)
>
> I actually got a call from old Mr Albert, sorry, Sir Alexis at about 3 am in
> Kent St, 20 odd years ago. Now that was pretty spooky in the early hours of
> the morning . Not the phone call, the building. Anyway, he wanted me to
> have a look in the car park to see if the Rolls had been left there. I had
> a lot of calls from bosses in my time but never one like that. Nice old
> fella really. Met up with him years later when he bought 2CC. He was
> amused that AT LAST one of his stations played Alberts songs other than
> those of JPY and TMG. He seemed to like that we played the Angels and Acca
> Dacca in out mix - though not before midday!!!!
>
> > Hadn't heard that one but I've got to say that in two decades I've never
> > worked at a radio station that didn't have some spooky vibe about it. Used
> > to hear the one at Rangers Road and a co-worker said he actually saw it ..
> > Old Mr Albert? Must be attracted by the broadcast gear. Would make an
> > interesting topic .. Who's seen / felt ghosts at radio stations?
> >
> > > And yes, I love to know what came of Paul's unfinished work. Do you
> know
> > > who else was working on the project with him?
> >
> > Well Mr Mac I know a couple of fellas who were there but out of respect
> for
> > their privacy I will try and contact them off line and pass on your email
> > address. If they're reading this I suppose they'll contact you anyway. Is
> > your interest purely academic?
>
> Just curious that's all. But tell me %^) have we met or worked together???
> As you can see I'm not one for this anonymity stuff, but I respect those
> correspodents who require such cover so that they may flame away without
> incurring death threats............. or worse.
>
> > I'd like to know more about Paul Turner's work myself but never found any
> trace of it in the 2SM archives.
>
> I have both his Nostradamus specials in my collection. The ones he did at
> XY. Wish I had an aircheck of him on XY......at his best then I think.
> I've got one at 2KA, circa '74. It's pretty ordinary.
>
> I didn't see anything else of Paul's work when I had one of the last known
> opportunities to thumb through that great body 2SM stuff in 1999, pre Billy
> Boy. See other posting from Nick at SSA. That will tell you where the
> Archive now resides. Mind you the Catholics still own the stuff. And Bill
> & co still have about a dozen boxes of various old gems over there at
> Pyrmont. Hope he doesn't chuck em.
>
> Cheers
> MAC

Gettamulla Tupya

unread,
Mar 22, 2013, 4:54:06 AM3/22/13
to
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT), mikedor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mac
>
> Any idea if The Prophecies of Nostradamus 2SM specials are on the Internet? I remember listening to that special and clearly remember one of the prdictions being the fall of the World Trade Centre buildings (two brothers). I'm desperate to have a listen to them again. Please help.
>
> Regards
> Mike
>
> On Monday, 20 August 2001 23:27:46 UTC+10, Wayne Mac wrote:

I think everyone who was alive in 2001 has since died...

0 new messages