AM narrowcast radio licences for sale - seriously
The Philestine
The US-based owner has put me, his Australian agent, on notice - sell these
'puppies' or else!
So here they are. Three Narrowband AM licences in Perth, Adelaide,
Newcastle. The potential of each is obvious.
Frequency = 1692 KHz
Power = 400 Watts
Category = Narrowcasting
Range = 10 to 25 Km depending on topography, adjacent frequency
interference, and soil conductivity. Gotta be better than an LPON FM!
Perth > rare CBD location (ACMA site ID - 25945). Site can be moved to the
north and/or east if needed - head for the hills!.
Adelaide > South of city (ACMA site ID - 133272). Other sites that will
work are Gawler (which may be better for covering Adelaide's more populous
northern suburbs AND the Barossa valley), Mt Barker can also work.
Newcastle > Close to CBD (ACMA site ID 250368). Moving to Wallsend could be
strategically better - more central locale, able to reach Maitland, Kurri
Kurri, Lakes area.
The owner and I are open to ANY reasonable FIVE-FIGURE offer for EACH
licence.
So put something on the table and lets see if we can negotiate a deal! Only
a high-power narrowcast FM or AM licence could top these for potential, and
there's none of those around in these towns.
Worried about setup costs for AM transmissions? Then take a leap into new
technology and try www.ISOTRONANTENNAS.com. For about $1000 you can get one
of these babies packed and shipped from the USA. They'll work just fine for
Narrowband frequencies at 400 Watts. For $1000, as opposed to minimum
$10,000 PLUS for a typical AM antenna tower, what have you got to lose? Try
Isotron and start an AM-band revolution! The owner of these licences swears
by them!
Call me or send an email TODAY. Tell your friends.
Philip "The Philistine" Smith
08 63944709
0409 212377
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> MF-NAS RADIO licences for sale. Huge price drop!!!!
>
> The US-based owner has put me, his Australian agent, on notice - sell
> these
> 'puppies' or else!
>
We all know that the naive yank who was conned by Nathan into buying these
'dogs' in the first place has been trying to offload them for years.
> The owner and I are open to ANY reasonable FIVE-FIGURE offer for EACH
> licence.
>
Five cents?
briang
"The Philestine" < wrote
The US-based owner has put me, his Australian agent, on notice - sell these
'puppies' or else!
So here they are. Three Narrowband AM licences in Perth, Adelaide,
Newcastle. The potential of each is obvious.
Frequency = 1692 KHz
The owner and I are open to ANY reasonable FIVE-FIGURE offer for EACH
licence.
*****Seriously,Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
Does the five figure "buy it now " price include 27,000 "sealed" radio sets
pretuned to 1692 which the new owner will need to give away to 27,999 new
listeners so they can actually receive 1692?
Sorry Philestine but wota wank!!!!
Brian G.
Wombat Lover
There's a licence that has had no owner for quite awhile now
It's located in Horsham, and it's on 1611
I believe the ACMA have it at the moment
Why couldn't anyone just grab that licence?
--
From Robert | Wombat Lover | Melbourne | http://www.surfnetvictoria.com
AusradioSearch http://www.ausradiosearch.com/
wrote:
Correct me if Im wrong But they are not S29 and can not be used for
commercial radio
BearCave
wrote:
> Worried about setup costs for AM transmissions? Then take a leap into new
> technology and trywww.ISOTRONANTENNAS.com. For about $1000 you can get one
> of these babies packed and shipped from the USA. They'll work just fine for
> Narrowband frequencies at 400 Watts. For $1000, as opposed to minimum
> $10,000 PLUS for a typical AM antenna tower, what have you got to lose? Try
> Isotron and start an AM-band revolution! The owner of these licences swears
> by them!
At the very least, thanks for bringing this info to our attention.
It is a risky proposition to (a) pay for one of these almost entirely
off-band licenses (still, I've payed the price three times myself :)
(b) purchase the equipment and install it and (c) pay the power bill
ongoing when there's no guarantee of an audience.
So if the Isotron system offers a way of lowering that risk, then I
have good reason to make a note of it.
I'd love to test my MF-NAS frequencies (I certainly have the sites to
broadcast from), but LPON commitments remain the priority.
With the exception of 1611 AM, and perhaps 1620 and 1629, LPON
generally remains the more attractive option for sub-band
narrowcasting in Australia.
However, perhaps I should be considering Isotron to help bring some
testing forward on Melbourne's 1674 AM.
...From Justin
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2moro 1620 in sydney.
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KHz licences are off band.
They are not within the BSB, therefore automatically narrowcast!
Sorry to pop your ballon folks, but I had a solicitor research this
one for me as i'm a holder of other AM NASs and commercial broadcast
formats are ok, as it's not in the BSB. Therefore, require special
receiver sets, thus automatically narrowcast.
Go wild Bearcave (and other NAS operators) with your 1674 and 1665 KHz.
Station X
to still sit in a funny limbo land within the clauses of the act. My
best interpetation came to the same conclusion.
With the definition of Narrowcasting being defined more exactly in the
past few years. There is still the wording "that uses the BSB" in the
way it's written. Well NAS doesn't! Plus on a technical basis NAS is
even more restricted than normal AM in it's audio bandwidth. So these
restrictions as well as power "limit the service in some way". All
fair arguments that by default it would be a Narrowcasting Service.
But hangon the whole reworking of the defintion of Narrowcasting is
routed back to a BSB frequency being used to deliver the service.
Now we know that the restriction of using MF NAS to deliver a
"Commericial Service" has been imposed directly. Then there is the
argument of why would you use a frequency that a lot of people cannot
get? We enter the area of "special recievers" thus we swing towards a
"subscription service". There is also the argument that the "service"
wouldn't fit the definition of "commercial" simply because it was on a
restrictive frequency. I like to call them "professional sounding
services" because if it operates as an expensive hobby it's not a
money maker (commerial service) is it?
I could go on about this but i will sight Double X that has been going
for ages in melbourne. I would recommend if anyone simply wackes a
"commercial sounding format" on one (and I would) you had better
expect some heat! But keep every other part of the service in check!
No over deviation or power or audio bandwidth. I feel it's the only
way they could get you.
Easy FM
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I think you'd better get another solicitor!
MF NAS and s29 have nothing to do with each other. The relevant legislation
is under Part 4, Section 40 and that was amended in October 2002 to "..
prohibit the use of MF NAS to provide a commercial broadcasting service if
the MF NAS and section 40 licences were issued after 6 November 2002."
This was amended in August 2003 to include licences up to August 2004.
Source: ACA Accreditation Bulletin January 2005
This information is not entirely clear on the relevant ACMA webpage
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1288, but if you contact the ACMA
directly to obtain further information, the response is:
Only NAS licensees that held a s40 licence and were using a NAS station to
provide a service before 29 August 2004 are eligible to use that NAS station
to provide a 'commercial' service.
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pretty hard to run a commercial service.
Non BSB = Automatic Narrowcast.
So a format consisting of news, broad appeal music, announcers, etc is
ok on an NAS, as it's limited becaused it's not within the BSB - you
and any other listener needs a special receiver.
Call it what you want, "limited appeal broadcast service".
Case in point, Red FM uses LPONs to transmit it's "broadcast service"
to mining sites across Western Australia.
So if it's ok to operate a broadcast service on LPONs at mining sites,
then it's ok to provide broad appeal service on an NAS.
AusradioSearch http://www.ausradiosearch.com/
You can run a narrowcast service with no ads
or
You can run a comminity service with
sponsors but you must give away ownership
and control and take no money or benefit
seriously
So go on.... be generous
In 2008 with no S40 thanks to Alston they
would be ideal for a School Service
May be football for a non profit club
Easy FM
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> Sorry Chris, being off the broadcast services band (BSB) makes it
> pretty hard to run a commercial service.
>
in your original post you said "you could do commercial radio " - clearly
you can't because that's against the law.
Now you've changed that and are saying that you could do a format of "broad
appeal" (etc) purely because MF NAS is "not within the BSB - you
and any other listener needs a special receiver" so "Non BSB = Automatic
Narrowcast" - not true, many receivers can pick up those bands -
particularly the lower ones.
So, enough of the broad generalisations, I agree that it is entirely
possible that an MF NAS service operating on say 1674KHz would probably be
able to run current Top 40 hits till the cows come home as long as it did
not call itself a "commercial" broadcast station and it was able to
demonstrate to the ACMA's satisfaction that there were so few radio
receivers able to receive it that it didn't really matter.
But then the question is, if nobody's listening - why bother?
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Infact, you actually agree with me, but dont know it.
Unitil the government change the Broadcast Services Act to include MF
NAS frequencies within the BSB, anything you do on any frequency from
1611 Khz to 1701 Khz is automatically narrowcast. This is because the
government have stated that these frequencies are not within the BSB.
As a result, your correct, you couldn't ever be a commercial
broadcaster on an NAS, but you could certainly sound like one. The
only question is - can anyone pick you up on 1611 KHz to 1701 KHz?
hence narrowcast.
The ACMA and you, cant have your cake and eat it too! You cant say
that your out of the BSB, but because "some" receivers may receive
1611 Khz to 1701 Khz your actually not narrowcast. Some receivers like
scanners can receive VHF NAS services, but no one would argue that you
were not narrowcast on a VHF NAS service.
Your automatically narrowcast, thus you could never be a "commercial
broadcaster", but rather a commercial narrowcaster. The ACMA never
said you cant make money as a narrowcaster - Raw FM, Kiss FM, Racing
Radio (and even UCB) are all good examples of profitable narrowcast
services.
Until the government change the legisation to include 1611 Khz to 1701
Khz or 151.4 MHz to 152.5 MHz within the BSB, these frequencies are
off band and as such, the type of programming (be it commercial radio
programming) is not an issue.
So if you had an NAS service (on say 1611 Khz), there's nothing to
stop you from running news, broad appeal music (classic hits),
announcers and advertisements. As it's off band and automatically
narrowcast.
AusradioSearch http://www.ausradiosearch.com/
he is right there. Narriowcast opinion formats
are ok ,,, but not news
Easy FM
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> Chris, rather I think that you are actually confusing yourself.
> Infact, you actually agree with me, but dont know it.
>
follow the law applicable to narrowcast, ie "limited" in accordance with the
Act.
In certain circumstances the ACMA MAY accept "limited reception" as a valid
reason, it has been done, but it's not "automatic".
Again you use the word "commercial" when it is absolutely clear under the
law that you cannot provide a "commercial" service on non-BSB without a s.40
licence.
> So if you had an NAS service (on say 1611 Khz), there's nothing to
> stop you from running news, broad appeal music (classic hits),
> announcers and advertisements. As it's off band and automatically
> narrowcast.
Well, that depends if you consider a $200,000 fine a deterrent!
"While it is not compulsory for potential NAS station operators to apply to
ACMA for an opinion about into which category a service or proposed service
fits, it is an offence to operate a broadcasting service without a
broadcasting services bands licence (in other words, a licence issued by
ACMA under the Broadcasting Services Act 1992). There are significant fines,
that accumulate daily, for operating a broadcasting service without a
broadcasting services bands licence."
Quote: ACMA - Broadcasting Services Act 1992 Licensing Considerations
The Philestine
licences I AM ATTEMPTING TO FLOG!
As the only 'dimwit' in Australia that has bothered to do post-graduate
research into narrowcasting on radio - primarily LPONs - let me say this in
regards to MF-NAS:
If you are running a commercial type format on anything other than an S40
MF-NAS licence that was operational and/or at least issued prior to 2003/4,
then you are sailing into dangerous territory in my view. Quite a number of
1611, 1620, and 1629 licences are S40 category, so they're fine as
commercial operations one would hope.
Having said that, if you're 'broadcasting' on a high frequency outside the
AM BSB, which many consumer-grade AM tuners can't reach (most JVC tuners do
by the way!), then you are probably going to get away with just about
anything.
John Summers, the US-basd owner of the 1692 Khz MF NAS licences in Perth,
Adelaide, Newcastle that I am wanting to sell on his behalf, told me about
two years ago that he wanted start an easy listening commercial music format
for the 25-45 age bracket (sound familiar - Radio 2 style?). I told him
that that would not qualify as narrowcasting. He and I explored a few other
options more akin to narrowcasting - Australian Country music, Religious,
Indian (ethnic - my wife is a Paki!). In the end he said, bugger it - sell
em!
Being so high up the dial, he might have gotten away with a commercial-style
format in Newcastle, but I'd reckon such a service would be pinched for
breaches of narrowcast rules in Perth and Adelaide. The big boys would get
onto you eventually.
So, for those of you with lower frequency MF-NAS licences that are not s40,
operating in a 'largish' regional market where you have chosen a format that
has 'commercial' written all over it, you might not be as safe as you think.
And the 1692s are still for sale. My last ad has generated some interest -
time to close some deals! Spread the word.
The Philistine
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> If you are running a commercial type format on anything other than an S40
> MF-NAS licence that was operational and/or at least issued prior to
> 2003/4, then you are sailing into dangerous territory in my view.
Hi Phil, agree with most of what you say except that there's no "and/or"
about it. According to the law (ie as per the Minister's two decrees) they
have to have been licensed before 6 November 2002 and operational before the
cut-off date of 29 August 2004 to qualify for s40 (and so "broadcast" rather
than "narrowcast"). It's unfortunate that radioponcho has appeared again to
make a lot of "noise" about this subject as he obviously doesn't know what
he's talking about and could lead people astray. It's like the old western
suburbs saying - "if you can do - do; if you can't do, you may as well
become a TAFE teacher"!
Easy FM
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> Clearly Chris of Easy FM can't argue on his points, the only avenue he
> has is to throw mud and get personal. Well, i'm not going to play that
> game.
>
.. and who's the one using personal names while hiding behind a fake
identity? Shame on you poncho!
Upon reflection, I don't actually have any points to argue, all I've done in
this discussion is direct anyone who cares to the correct information
contained on the ACMA website and associated documents rather than make
false and misleading statements that could lead someone to make the same
kind of mistake that Mr Summers made by thinking he had bought something of
value.
The Philestine
practice, it is hard to make MF-NAS stations work profitably as narrowcast
stations, unless they are on the lower end of the dial (1611 and 1620),
whereby most cars and a goodly number of home stereo radios can tune in.
Radio Brizvaani on 1701 in Brisbane is a good example of a MF-NAS narrowcast
station (Hindi Language) that operates well. But it is subsidised by the
owner, who paid $165,000 for the licence almost a decade ago and runs as a
service to the Indian Community of Brisbane. It is widely appreciated and
there should be a few more such stations around - radio bollywood! I have
the licences if you want to go for it.
NAS licences can be good enough for narrowcast information services, and
could be profitable if some creative format development was undertaken.
Trouble is, most NAS owners are not interested in creative format
development, and I don't have the money to buy and develop John Summer's
licences myself to show you how it's done. Religious broadcasting is
confined to FM - a bit short sighted but that is the way it is. I reckon a
network of MF-NAS stations broadcasting reglious format could do well IF
THEY HAD A FOOTPRINT IN CAPITAL CITIES. Otherwise, forget it.
The Philistine
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> "The Philestine" <thephi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > The US-based owner has put me, his Australian agent, on notice - sell
> > these
> > 'puppies' or else!
> >
>
> We all know that the naive yank who was conned by Nathan into buying these
> 'dogs' in the first place has been trying to offload them for years.
> > The owner and I are open to ANY reasonable FIVE-FIGURE offer for EACH
> > licence.
> >
What radio frequencies are for sale in Adelaide?