Italian station from 1593 Melbourne
Wombat Lover
Shepparton (same service on delay), well we've found 801 with the same
Italian stuff, thought it came from Bendigo at first, since the reception
from Euroa was actually quite good during the night (dont even mention
daytime trials) but now Im back home, Im getting it on the same
frequency.....but its not as clear at night as it was back in Euroa.
Another mystery to be solved.....just like the 1674 Ethnic station
From Robert
http://www.surfnetvic.cjb.net
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bearcave75
(2GO now on 107.7 MHz).
1674 kHz is a broadcast coming from suburban Sydney, I know this
because I heard them during the day on my Sony Walkman. 1656 kHz is
also a broadcast coming from Sydney, somewhere near Kingsford Smith
Airport I reckon.
From Justin.
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Wombat Lover
powerful than we ever expected?
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bearcave75
> How much power are these two stations using? or is the "x-band" more
> powerful than we ever expected?
>
Wombat, the x-band AM signals travel long-distances at night as
regular high-powered stations do. It's not that they are more
powerful, more there's nothing to interfere with those stations. For
now, there's only a small handful of stations on the eastern seaboard
broadcasting on frequencies above 1629 kHz.
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From Justin.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
For
> now, there's only a small handful of stations on the eastern seaboard
> broadcasting on frequencies above 1629 kHz.
I'd say there'd be none above 1593 since that's where the broadcast
band ends ;) (sorry mate)
Seriously, it doesn't matter really what the wattage is, it's one of
the cahracteristcis of AM TX'ing. Daytime you are looking for the
ground waves to get through your service area and same at night but
that's when the ionoshpere cuts in and you get the skip.
The wattage really doesn't matter as nearly without fail every night I
can get Radio16NTC on 1611, 1620 & 1629 and 1566 ABC Gympie and 1584
4CC Rocky and all those stations are no more than 500watts and all on
small sticks. "Curry" radio 1701 Brisbane has a capacitor top on its
little rod which makes it look like a chimney sweep - kinda apt when
you think about it ;) I'm sure the top gets the signal alot further
esp at night.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
Richard Jary
Marcus Fitz-Gerald wrote:
> I'd say there'd be none above 1593 since that's where the broadcast
> band ends ;) (sorry mate)
bzzzt. Wrong answer!
Used to go to 1602 ( a couple of low power ABCs there ) but now the
expanded band goes all the way to 1701.
Yet to see a radio that actually goes that far apart from dedicated
shortwave sets, I've seen car radios that go to either 1620 or 1629
though.
Richard
Brian Goldsmith
"Richard Jary" <ja...@ozemail.com.au> wrote
Marcus Fitz-Gerald wrote:
> I'd say there'd be none above 1593 since that's where the broadcast
> band ends ;) (sorry mate)
bzzzt. Wrong answer!
Used to go to 1602 ( a couple of low power ABCs there ) but now the
expanded band goes all the way to 1701.
*****BLURT! Wrong answer!! In Australia the Broadcast band (officially
known as the Broadcast Services Band) finishes at 1602.
The X band covers from1611 kHz to 1701 kHz. Stations in the X band are
limited to 400 Watts output and a total bandwidth of 6 kHz.There are other
restrictions with regard to location versus frequency versus 1602 kHz
occupancy and with adjacent frequencies ,stations must be 30 kMs apart.
There are other restrictions as well,the relevant documentation from the ABA
explains thses in detail.
Brian Goldsmith.
Peter Parker
"Richard Jary" <ja...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> Yet to see a radio that actually goes that far apart from dedicated
> shortwave sets, I've seen car radios that go to either 1620 or 1629
> though.
Have a close look at some of the cheapie analogue tuned radios. Some
of them even have '17' or '1700' as the highest number on the dial rather
than '16'
or '1600'.
Peter
Steven Dinius
American market.
"Peter Parker" <par...@NOSPAMalphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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Marcus Fitz-Gerald
>
> > I'd say there'd be none above 1593 since that's where the broadcast
> > band ends ;) (sorry mate)
>
> bzzzt. Wrong answer!
>
> Used to go to 1602 ( a couple of low power ABCs there ) but now the
> expanded band goes all the way to 1701.
I see where you think I'm wrong but since ABA has now cutoff the BSB
at 1606.5kHZ, 1593 is that last avail BSB station as commercial/BSb
services need 9 either side. The ABA says since they have scaled it
back to 1606.5, no new services will be planned on 1602 but the
current ones can stay hence the ABC's you mentioned and same down the
other end at 531, no new ones planned but stations like that "relay
service" (2HC) around Kempsey on 531 and 3GG can stay there.
So I do know what I'm talking about, above 1593/1602 the stations up
to 1701 are NARROWcast not BROADcast
There!
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
bearcave75
> I see where you think I'm wrong but since ABA has now cutoff the BSB
> at 1606.5kHZ, 1593 is that last avail BSB station as commercial/BSb
> services need 9 either side. The ABA says since they have scaled it
> back to 1606.5, no new services will be planned on 1602 but the
> current ones can stay hence the ABC's you mentioned and same down the
> other end at 531, no new ones planned but stations like that "relay
> service" (2HC) around Kempsey on 531 and 3GG can stay there.
My understanding is that in areas where the ABC operate a service on
1602 kHz, no Mid-Frequency Narrowband Area Service Station (MF-NAS)
licences are permitted on 1611 kHz. So in these areas, the x-band
commences at 1620 kHz instead.
> So I do know what I'm talking about, above 1593/1602 the stations up
> to 1701 are NARROWcast not BROADcast
>
> There!
No one is 100% right or wrong here.
For most people, however, the radio dial will always go no further
than 1600AM.
Most of the sprectrum above 1629 kHz will remain unused because
broadcasting is expensive and radio is mostly funded by the
advertising dollar. Who would advertise on a station that no one can
hear?
If I get my Melbourne x-band service going, it will be built on top of
the efforts of my LPON (87.6FM) service, combined with a unique
cost-structure.
Then on top of that, there's many business issues you have to have an
appreciation of. You have to 'deepen the ditch' (get the prototype
right) before you can 'broaden the base' (manifest it so that indeed
the radio dial does end up going to 1701 kHz :)
For example, Radio 2 might have a happier life if just sticks with
being in Sydney. Melbourne....perhaps. Anywhere else is not going to
give you the populations of the big cities. The 'narrower' the
population, the more 'broadcast' you need to be.
Narrowcast is not for narrow coverage areas. It's a see-saw effect.
To do effective marketing, it helps to have a market of people to sell
to. And since radio works best as a local medium, 'networking' enough
transmitters so that you have a critical mass is an awfully expensive
gamble, especially when your product offering is less than that of
others.
I also suspect the prototype period required to develop an x-band
station is several years, no less. Look how hard it was for Ansett to
get back up. Seriously, they would have had more chances surviving if
they went down to the Virgin Blue sheds and said to Mr. Branson, "hey,
wanna swap buildings?"
Then give up their number 2 position and concentrate entirely on the
Melbourne-Sydney route until a new business prototype could have been
developed to re-define Ansett. A lesson for Radio 2 perhaps.
Hey, the radios are there and the licences are there to be used. As
I've said before, you have to set your expectations low and be
prepared to do it for the love of it. Most people, I suspect, have
other things in their life that are more worthwhile doing.
From Justin.
(God bless the crew of Columbia - Discovery: the relentless pursuit of
the previously unseen or unknown, Astronauts: an inspiration for
everybody).