ABC's Top of the hour 'pips'
Mots
I must say, they do sound very commercial (2UE/2GB like)
I did hear that the ABC are looking into changing the tone/pitch of the
new pips.
What's everyone's opinions about the change to the 'pips'??
And yes, i am aware this is old news, cant find the old thread that's
all, and cant be stuffed looking! :=D
sav
stations because the ABC would have to install a pip generator at each
station. I miss the pips as threy no longer exist on macquarie
regional radio works which never seems ot have the news ontime, super
network has no pips and abc doesn't. The community radio network does
carry pips on the hour and half hour in breakfast radio.
sav
radio. ABC programming leaves many of the commercial broadcasters for
dead.
Zappy
"sav" <peter....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can I also point out that the ABC news is by far the best on Australian
> radio. ABC programming leaves many of the commercial broadcasters for
> dead.
I wouldn't know. I haven't listened to commercial radio since Hinch was on
AW in the seventies.
>
DontTouchThatDial
Mots wrote:
> And yes, i am aware this is old news, cant find the old thread that's all, and cant be stuffed looking! :=D
Ditto MOTS, so I'll cut 'n' past the following, which I posted some
weeks ago on Radioinfo.
Pips eh? That's a topic sure to break out in a rash of comments from
people reared on the great AMs of the '60s and '70s when pips where
just part 'n' parcel of the sound. It was always a thrill to hear a
jock nail a cold ending song bang on the sixth pip.
But about this new set on 702 Sydney? I like them. They sound exactly
like the 2UW pips of old - long and strong. When the station lived in
Kent St, the pips were 'hard wired' across the air program. One always
had to ensure the song being played was red-lining because the pips
were so dominant, they dipped the processing, leaving the tail of a
song almost inaudible.
When it comes to pips though, it never got any better than what many
radio fans call 'fat pips'. These were the grubby little buggers played
on 2SM during their heyday in the '70s and early '80s. These pips had a
sound all of their own. The 2SM ones - and indeed the 3XY equivalents -
were more like a sharp 'buzz' than a pip. They certainly had more than
more balls than the insipid sounding tones heard elsewhere, e.g. 2GB,
when they were in Sussex St.
If you are a 'pip-o-phile', check out page 128 of "Don't Touch That
Dial" where former engineer Rein Van Poecke gives the hows and whys on
those 2SM fat pips of old.
Oh, and three cheers for Hot Tomato...or should that be 'six
cheers', for having pips on a contemporary FM station. Nice touch. MAC
Wombat Lover
On the weekend, I can confirm that 97.7 and 91.1 from Shepparton and Bendigo
were playing the new sounding timebeeps, on the hour, every hour
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Tal
As a matter of interest, so does the community station Life FM
Soapbox
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Harold
> stations because the ABC would have to install a pip generator at each
> station.
That's one way of doing it. However, in the ABC's case, the pips can be
inserted into the program lines when the regional stations are being fed
from their respective cap city master controls. Whether they do, or not,
is another story.
I miss the pips as threy no longer exist on macquarie
> regional radio works which never seems ot have the news ontime, super
> network has no pips and abc doesn't. The community radio network does
> carry pips on the hour and half hour in breakfast radio.
>
Where are they getting their pips from on the half hour? My understanding
is that the pips should only appear at the "top of the hour".
Edward Thirkill
long pip now we get 6 short pips. It would be enough to give anyone the pip.
Ted Thirkill
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sav
replays it automatically on the half hour
sav
sav
Newcastle
sav
sav
you will find the ABC feed from the stations directly to TX's from
Stand alone Studios, its only the studios like ABC Mid North Coasts
Coffs Harbour Studio or ABC Central Coast that have to dial in to a
stand alone studio and connect via a "slinky". Time pips would need to
be at each station not difficult to do its only an mp3 player these
days and switcher.
Harold
> Explains a hell of a lot :-)
>
What are you replying to?
Harold
> Harold,
> you will find the ABC feed from the stations directly to TX's from
> Stand alone Studios,
True, but you'll find that the pips will come to them on the same feed
they get their State-based or National News on.
its only the studios like ABC Mid North Coasts
> Coffs Harbour Studio or ABC Central Coast that have to dial in to a
> stand alone studio and connect via a "slinky". Time pips would need to
> be at each station not difficult to do its only an mp3 player these
> days and switcher.
Aunty does it with a bit more accuracy than that.
Try something like:
http://www.elan.com.au/MainPages/pdf%20files/RTG-01.PDF
which feeds a time pip generator like:
http://www.elan.com.au/MainPages/pdf%20files/TP-GEN.pdf
Zappy
That would have been my comment too.
>
>
Rock in Stereo
Zinc 96.1 Noosa/Gympie also appear to now have pips on the hour. Only
when issuing bulletins however.
I remember the Caralis FM network way back, well at least 10 years ago,
had pips almost 24/7. Am I correct? At that time in SE Qld/Northern NSW
I had never heard pips on a commercial FM station before, driving to
Sydney with my parents, listening to Moree's FMer with its 100kw reach,
it was quite peculiar, you thought you were listening to AM again...
Of course, I was a kid, and AM was off limits to me, being inferior
quality for music, so pips in the dying seconds of a contemporary
track, in hi-fidelty was quite memorable. I am starting to understand
why there would be a discussion in the book about these pips, even
though I imagine they are trivial to most listeners.
Enjoy your Easter folks
Leigh
Dave Brewer
everyone from
Bloomoo and Megan
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> http://hometown.aol.com.au/ausradiomp3s/abc_pips.mp3
>
A mate of mine told me years ago they came from the XNG machine that came
straight from Greenwich.
The navy use this clock for the submarines.
I don't know how contemporaneous this information is.
Samuel Gordon-Stewart
> A mate of mine told me years ago they came from the XNG machine that came
> straight from Greenwich.
>
> The navy use this clock for the submarines.
>
> I don't know how contemporaneous this information is.
I was chatting with an ex PMG Radio Engineer friend of mine about the
ABC pip changes a few weeks ago and he offered up this information:
"They certainly DID have pips when I was with them, and back then the
pips were considered extremely important as people set their old
wind-up watches to them .
I'm not sure, but I think they got their pips from the Atomic clock of
( the now defunct) VNG".
Samuel
Harold
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Each station (or network) generated their pips on site, however, the data
pulses (time code) that triggered the pip (tone) generator originally came
from the Mount Stromlo Observatory. Later, the Telstra Research
Laboratories in Clayton, Victoria, became the source of this time code
information. This was fed to stations, such as VNG. Others, including
the ABC, also utilised this information to synchronise their clocks (vital
when you're networking), as well as to generate the time pips.
Now Telstra is shutting down its (Civil) Time Code service, and has
suggested that users source their time code information elsewhere. Most
are turning to time code information from GPS satellites.
VNG was shut down at the end of 2002.
This http://tufi.alphalink.com.au/time/nsc_vng_leaflet.pdf leaflet was
put out by the National Standards Commission to explain the station's
operation.
As an aside, there was a Melbourne-based company (whose name has totally
slipped my mind, at present) which sold a range of clocks that relied on
sync pulses transmitted on a regular basis through the pager network to
maintain their accuracy.
Sadly, the company went bust a few months ago, the data is no longer being
transmitted and their clocks are now just free-running. You can't use
them with any accuracy for broadcasting ... but they look nice.
Elsie Flognoggle
tardiness in the pips.
Why do AW roll the news theme 2 secs early now? What not a clean TOC theme?
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Brian Goldsmith.
"Harold" <Har...@clotmail.com> wrote
As an aside, there was a Melbourne-based company (whose name has totally
slipped my mind, at present) which sold a range of clocks that relied on
sync pulses transmitted on a regular basis through the pager network to
maintain their accuracy.
Sadly, the company went bust a few months ago, the data is no longer being
transmitted and their clocks are now just free-running. You can't use
them with any accuracy for broadcasting ... but they look nice.
****** Not quite correct Harold,the company is (was) Timematic Telechron and
although there have been problems,certainly, in Melbourneby whatever
means,the synchronising signal is still being transmitted by Link
Telecommunications.
Brian Goldsmith.
Harold
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Thanks Brian, that's good to know.
I'll pass that info back to "head office", who may be able to chase it up.