Have any radio stations in Australia ceased transmission
Anthony Pleticos
of origin" (excuse the football pun).
Given that the ABC transmits 24 hours a day (metro stations), would like to
know what happened to
stations like 2CA, 3XY etc.
Have they ceased transmission or changed frequency - for example 2UW
"ceased" and changed to MIX 106.5.
Are there any other stations which have changed and/or ceased transmission
altogether?
Thanks
LuckyPhil
WSFM.
Frank
106.5.
2WS also went to FM and their call sign became 2UUS.
Frank
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Paul in Melbourne
2CK Cessnock (became 2NX?)
2CT (?) Campbelltown
2HR Lochinvar (became 2NM?)
3ZZ Melbourne (closed down for "political" reasons)
7DY Derby (became 7SD)
Probably several others in the early days 1920s and 1930s.
3XY became 3EE and now IDs as Magic 693.
2UW (1107) became Mix. 2WS (1224) became 2WS on FM and later WSFM.
Paul in Melbourne
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Marcus Fitz-Gerald
their official callsign, yes it is 2UUS - quite apt when you look at
it carefully ;)
As for actual stations which have stopped either for good or at times,
there's 1422 3XY (went to 3EE 693).
4VL has also been off air a few times for a good while as it's changed
owners and run out of money etc. And really what a contemptuous way to
treat the listeners of the area - off the air when local matters
might've been important to broadcast. Other posts had their TX stick
on a big lean. Is this for real? Highly unprofessional to be left that
way through a couple of owners. Does the local ABC have a good
following out there?
Back in the 70's I think - Cambelltown had a community station 2CT. I
don't know much more about this as I only read the ABT documents
explaining the shut down. I belive it was on AM.
A Rockingham (Perth) community licence recently surrendered its
licence.
But onto more pressing things - Commercial licences - any more ended
forever or been off for periods longer than a minor tech fault?
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
have to know where you came from (history) to head successfully into
the future.
The Newy situation is an interesting one as the commercial stations we
have there now evolved basically out of backyard operations spread
across the Hunter. KO used to have a great history on their website -
started off in a loungeroom in KOtara on 50watts IIRC.
I'm sure that fountain of radio history - Wayne Mac would have info on
this topic.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
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a few years in the late 20's / early 30's and then shut up shop as 7AD
Devonport opened up.
During WWII and after I think a few stations may have gone into recess - I
found out a few weeks ago that 2MG Mudgee was off air for about 18 months in
1946/47.
I gather this wasn't uncommon for stations in rural Australia.
Adrian
Wombat Lover
Ballarat's 1314 3BA went to 102.3, 1314 was left to Sport 927
Bendigo's 945 3BO went to 93.5, 945 was left to Sport 927
Shepparton's 1260 2SR went to 95.3, 1260 went to Sport 927
Mildura's 1467 3MA went to 97.9, 1467 went to Sport 927
Now to the tacky parts.....
I beleive there were some frequency changes around 94-96 in Melbourne with
3PB on 1593, shifted to 1026 and left 1593 for the Italians.
3AK 1503 went to 1116, and left the Greeks stranded with either 1422 3XY or
Echo FM.
Minor changes at Bayswater station 87.6 Knox FM changed to Hillside Radio
and went to 88.0, then incorporating 1620 (was only GB Radio) as Hillside as
well
Now maybe someone can add some knowledge about 3DB/3TT in this subject
Or maybe why Adelaide's 5DN and 5AD swapped frequencies also (102.3 and
1323)
Also please tell me if im getting off track here
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LMN
2BE Sydney (ceased transmission 1929)
2MK Bathurst (1930)
2MV Moss Vale (1931)
6BY Bunbury (1935)
2XN Lismore (1936, when 2LM opened)
3HS Horsham (1936, when 3LK opened)
2LV Inverell (1937, when 2NZ opened)
3MB Birchip (1938, when 3CV opened)
4AT Atherton (1941, replaced by an ABC station with the same callsign &
transmitter)
6ML Perth (1943)
2HR Singleton (1954, replaced by 2NX Bolwarra)
7DY Derby (1954, replaced by 7SD)
2CK Cessnock (1954, replaced by 2NM Muswellbrook)
Ken MacRaild
which became TT-FM, which became Mix 101.1. If I recall correctly, Dad
once said that when he was a lad 3DB used to be known as 3DB/3LK, with 3DB
originally based in Dimboola (hence the DB) not Melbourne. What happened to
3LK?
Following a slightly different theme, (not the original topic), how many
other stations set up shop in one place and then moved at a later date?? I
know 3TR was originally Trafalgar - not Traralgon where it is now located.
Cheers,
Ken
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> 6BY Bunbury (1935)
6BY was then used in Bridgetown and the commercial station in Bunbury was
6TZ.
When did 6TZ open and the relocated 6BY start up?
Peter
LMN
6BY Bunbury closed 31 July 1935
6TZ Bunbury opened 11 October 1939.
6BY Bridgetown opened 24 January 1953
Andrew Bayley
> I beleive there were some frequency changes around 94-96 in Melbourne with
> 3PB on 1593, shifted to 1026 and left 1593 for the Italians.
> 3AK 1503 went to 1116, and left the Greeks stranded with either 1422 3XY or
> Echo FM.
3RPH went from 1629 kHz to 1179 kHz (the old 3KZ frequency) in 1990.
> Minor changes at Bayswater station 87.6 Knox FM changed to Hillside Radio
> and went to 88.0, then incorporating 1620 (was only GB Radio) as Hillside as
> well
>
> Now maybe someone can add some knowledge about 3DB/3TT in this subject
The Herald Weekly Times had to sell 3DB due to the upcoming changes to the media
ownership laws. It was sold to the Albert family whos radio interests were the
forerunner to ARN. The new owners announced in January that the call sign would
change in April to 3TT. 3DB was the racing station prior to 1988, and their
last racing broadcast was in February 1988 when the broadcast rights transferred
to 3UZ (now Sport 927). 3DB went into basically a low key middle-of-the-road
music format leading up the change to 3TT. The changeover happened at 5am
Saturday 2 April 1988, the day after the annual Royal Children's Hospital Appeal
of which 3DB was involved with former sister media outlets HSV7 and HWT. In
December 1988, 3TT studios and offices moved from the basement of the Herald And
Weekly Times building, where 3DB had occupied previously, into new studios in
South Melbourne.
3TT was the 3rd highest bidder for the 2 x FM conversion licences in 1989 -
losing out to 3KZ (now Gold 104) and 3AK. 3AK ended up forfeiting the FM
licence and 3TT picked it up and converted to Classic Hits 101.1 TTFM on 24 June
1990 at 12 midnight. 4 weeks later the simulcast between 1026 kHz and 101.1 MHz
ended.
> Or maybe why Adelaide's 5DN and 5AD swapped frequencies also (102.3 and
> 1323)
5DN (then the "newstalk" station on 972 kHz) was the successful bidder for one
of Adelaide's 2 FM licences. Mid-1990 the station converted to a music format
with the branding "Radio 102FM" (5DDN). The station was less than successful
and in the meantime 5AA inherited most of 5DN's former talkback listeners. My
recollection is a bit vague but IIRC when the two-station rule came in (circa
1992?), I believe Jeremy Cordeaux bought Radio 102fm (which had become X102 by
that stage) to add to his existing AM, 5AD (1323). 5AD was miffed to lose out on
the FM conversion licence (losing out to 5KA and 5DN) so it wasn't long before
5AD moved its name and format to "5AD FM 102.3", simulcasting with 1323AM.
Eventually the 1323 frequency was relaunched with a separate music format and
renamed "AM1323" and then the callsigns swapped: 102.3 changed from 5DDN to 5AAD
and 1323 went from 5AD to the return of the old 5DN callsign. Cordeaux sold his
stations to ARN, and then 5DN became a newstalk station again as "5DN 1323" and
now it's a Classic Hits station.
LMN
And yes, 3TR was originally in Trafalgar (opened in 1930).
Your Dad is right about 3DB/3LK being sister stations (in the 60s I think
3LK was merely a relay for 3DB), but I don't know about 3DB coming from
Dimboola.
As far as I can see (I'm using a 1957 book by Ian K. Mackay, "Broadcasting
In Australia") 3DB was always a Melbourne station, established in 1927. It
was the 19th station established in Australia, and I can't see any thing in
Dimboola before that. But I hasten to add that I'm no expert...!
Didn't 3LK became a local Horsham station again later, with a different
callsign?
Andrew Bayley
> callsign?
It is now 3WM.
LMN
Andrew Bayley
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> Sort of "on topic", Melbourne's 3DB was originally on 1026, but became 3TT,
> which became TT-FM, which became Mix 101.1. If I recall correctly, Dad
> once said that when he was a lad 3DB used to be known as 3DB/3LK, with 3DB
> originally based in Dimboola (hence the DB) not Melbourne. What happened to
> 3LK?
DB was never a Dimboola station, the station began broadcasting in Melbourne in
1927. The "DB" call letters were actually a reference to Druleigh Business
College, the original licencee of 3DB before it was sold the the Herald and
Weekly Times in 1929.
> Following a slightly different theme, (not the original topic), how many
> other stations set up shop in one place and then moved at a later date?? I
> know 3TR was originally Trafalgar - not Traralgon where it is now located.
4IP went from Ipswich to Brisbane in the 1960's?
Ken MacRaild
Cheers,
Ken
Andrew Bayley
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> "Paul in Melbourne" <p...@rocketmail.com> writes:
>
> >3ZZ Melbourne (closed down for "political" reasons)
>
Possibly. Although I think 3EA/2EA were both on-air before 3ZZ. The Government
launched 3EA/2EA in 1975 initially as an outlet to promote Medicare in languages
other than English. (3ZZ began in 1976 or 77?? Not sure of that) I don't know
when full scale multicultural programming started, I guess it was shortly after,
but the running of the two stations was handed over to the newly formed Special
Broadcasting Service in 1978.
Sir Harold
ZZ was run along the lines of a community station, with various groups
getting airtime.
Probably, the direct equivalent of ZZ now would be 3CR.
Paul in Melbourne
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3DB. The transmitter was/still is at Lubeck near the railway station (since
demolished) and was clearly visible from passing trains. In the 1950s and
1960s 3DB used to ID as "3DB/3LK the Herald Sun stations". 3DB was really
big in the "Golden Years" of radio before television started but it declined
in the 1970s and 1980s. Newsradio now operates on the old 3DB frequency of
1026.
Paul in Melbourne
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converted to FM?
Paul in Melbourne
format like Magic 693 or even something new to Melbourne like Country or
Smooth Jazz.
Paul in Melbourne
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Anthony Pleticos
commercial station in Australia was 2BE (Not 2BE Bega) in Sydney which was
owned by the Bergin Electric Company. It ceased transmission in 1929. I
recall 2UE boasting to on it on-air promotions that it was the first station
in Australian.
2KA which broadcast from Katoomba on 783kHz (after 9kHz spacing) then
simultaneously on 1476 (studios later in Penrith then Seven Hills) is now
listed in the Herald as "The Edge" on 96.1 MHz. I recall listening to it in
1994 as "One FM" playing a techno-pop/dance (like Wild fm). It later changed
to "96.One".
What has happend to 2CA?
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Matthew Cook
> As for actual stations which have stopped either for good or at times,
> there's 1422 3XY (went to 3EE 693).
Now there's a new station called 3XY on 1422 in Melbourne. It's a Greek
narrowcaster.
Matthew Cook
> Melbourne got 3ZZ while Sydney got 2JJ.
>
> ZZ was run along the lines of a community station, with various groups
> getting airtime.
>
> Probably, the direct equivalent of ZZ now would be 3CR.
Did it have a lot of ethnic content?
Does anyone know anything more about it?
Matthew Cook
> Perhaps they may have reverted to "Beautiful Music" or introduced an
> adult format like Magic 693 or even something new to Melbourne like
> Country or Smooth Jazz.
Who owned 3AK at the time?
Brian Goldsmith
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Now there's a new station called 3XY on 1422 in Melbourne. It's a Greek
narrowcaster.
**** It is not called 3XY.According to the ABA wesite it is a HPON with no
call sign.
Brian Goldsmith.
Brian Goldsmith
"Andrew Bayley" wrote
> Didn't 3LK became a local Horsham station again later, with a different
> callsign?
It is now 3WM.
*** IIRC "WM" stood for Wimmera- Mallee.
Brian Goldsmith.
Brian Goldsmith
"Paul in Melbourne" wrote
In the 1950s and 1960s 3DB used to ID as "3DB/3LK the Herald Sun stations".
**** Before that time it was "3DB Melbourne,3LK Central Victoria" etc.
Brian Goldsmith.
LMN
"Anthony Pleticos" wrote
>I read a few years ago that the first
> commercial station in Australia was 2BE (Not 2BE Bega) in Sydney
Yes, 2BE Sydney was the first commercial station, operated from 7/11/24 till
2/4/29, and it was the 6th station in the country.
2UE was the next commercial station to open after 2BE, 26/1/25.
The first ever was a "national" (government operated) station, 2BL Sydney,
opened on 13 November 1923. It's still going under some new-fangled
callsign, isn't it?
Ian D
> I have never heard a reference to Dimboola. Druleigh Business College
> seems to be the explanation. But we are talking of the 1920s!
Of course it was always a Melbourne station named after Druleigh
Business College. It was one of the first stations to ever simulcast
- to 3LK Lubek.
It was perhaps Melbourne's MGM in the Golden Days - often getting 30%
of the audience. Of course it had a head start on the others being
owned by HWT - putting out the Sun News Pictorial and The Herald.
What a tragedy that the licence is now in the hands of Clear Channel
which cares nothing about radio. As the consistent bottom rating FM
station MIX-FM on 6.3% is a disgrace.
Roland Strong, Danny Webb, and Geoff McComous must be turning in their
graves - particularly if they've gone to God.
Paul Melville Austin
tell the story of how my birth in 1980 caused a problem for the RCH Good
Friday Appeal
Andrew Bayley
Nothing. It's still broadcasting in Canberra on 1053 kHz. http://www.2ca.net
Andrew Bayley
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IIRC, it was owned by Bond Media when they got (and lost) the FM licence -
although I'm not sure how Bond could still have owned Nine and 3AK at the time
as the laws preventing that had come in well before then. I guess Bond was in
his financial throes by 1990 which may have led to 3AK losing the FM licence.
But shortly after that, Bond sold Nine back to Kerry Packer (for a fraction of
what he paid for it), and 3AK to Italian businessman Peter Corso who dumped
3AK's news-talk format and turned it into the infamous Italian format.
Paul Melville Austin
LMN
early- mid-60s. Witty, laid-back kind of deejay.
Andrew Bayley
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> And Barry Ferber's pop music shows on 3DB/LK were my favourites in the
> early- mid-60s. Witty, laid-back kind of deejay.
and is that his son Daryl Ferber on its successor MIX 101.1?
Andrew Bayley
> Andrew whats your opinion on my original question
>
> "What would have happened to 3TT if 3AK hadn't been forced to forfeit and
> had converted to FM?"
Very hard to say. 3AK going to FM was such an unknown quantity.. were they
going to go back to music, or go out on a limb and convert their news talk
format (which wasn't rating that well on AM) to FM? At the time rival FM's Fox
and MMM were playing much the same rock music, and KZFM and 3TT were after the
baby boomers, and 3MP had the easy listening set covered. So there was a
definite gap in the market for a genuine youth/hits/dance music station
especially with the decline/demise of 3XY.
So depending on which route 3AK decided to take.. they could have become quite a
successful FM operator... and as a result 3TT surely would have floundered
especially that it's main rival KZ had the FM frequency. I think TT's market
share would have pretty quickly declined without FM (although looking at MIX's
ratings now.. how much better off have they been??)
LMN
Warwick transmitter, but studios are in Toowoomba and they've added a
Toowoomba frequency.
4AK Oakey, which was once a relay for a Brisbane station (which one?), long
ago moved into Toowoomba.
These were in addition to Toowoomba's "own" original AM station, 4GR, which
now also has FM outlets.
"Ken MacRaild" <kenma...@hotmail.com> wrote how many
Sir Harold
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case - who would get it (Southern Cross, AWA etc) and what would happen
(possible revival of the DB calls and switch to a music format covering DB's
"golden era" similar to our timeline's Magic 693 - or you could have
"News-Talk 1026 3DB")
Paul Mech
> Replying to some of the respondents, I read a few years ago that the first
> commercial station in Australia was 2BE (Not 2BE Bega) in Sydney which was
> owned by the Bergin Electric Company. It ceased transmission in 1929. I
> recall 2UE boasting to on it on-air promotions that it was the first
station
> in Australian.
2UE are the first continuous operating radio station in Australia.
> 2KA which broadcast from Katoomba on 783kHz (after 9kHz spacing) then
> simultaneously on 1476 (studios later in Penrith then Seven Hills) is now
> listed in the Herald as "The Edge" on 96.1 MHz. I recall listening to it
in
> 1994 as "One FM" playing a techno-pop/dance (like Wild fm). It later
changed
> to "96.One".
Yeah 2KA was a very good station in its day. Local news, local issues, and
local studios. It all went downhill when they went to FM in 1992. They
tried to position themselves as a Sydney station and slowly got rid of all
Blue Mountains content, with just about all of it gone when ARN bought them
out in 1997. Now they are broadcasting from way out of their licence area
(North Ryde) but I suppose at the end of the day, no-one gives a damn where
the sound is generated from. Listening to the Edge lately, they have been
doing ID's that go "This is Katoomba's Hit Music Channel, The Edge 96.1" and
"If you've never been west of the M4 toll gates, you need to get out more".
My guess is that they are trying to position themselves as a Western Sydney
station and getting back to their grass roots (Blue Mountains)
> What has happend to 2CA?
Still on air.
--
Paul
Producer, Sunday Sports Desk show
Hawkesbury Radio 89.9
Paul in Melbourne
now. Dan (previously known as Danny) Webb was mentioned fairly recently in
regard to a "radio survivors'" meeting in Melbourne. Roland Strong died a
few years ago.
I recall Barry Ferber left 3DB when 4GG started (about 1967?); is he still
with us?
Paul in Melbourne
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Darling Downs" - especially when they used the Marston March as a
theme/fanfair for the Queensland Radio News Service (QRNS).
Paul in Melbourne
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winner
become a penrith station then convert to ONE FM and move to surry
hills as 96.1 then to Neutral Bay now to Ryde at the EDGE? Isn't there
some sort of broadcasting law about katoomba license neglecting its
area? What next C91 moving its studios Bondi or 3AK moving Cairns so
the PD can go fishing?
Wouldn't you think Lithgows KISS FM have a chance to over take the
blue mountains to make it more profiable and more local for the
listeners?
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Richard Jary
winner wrote:
>
> How on earth did 2KA Katoomba get permission to slowly but surely
> become a penrith station then convert to ONE FM and move to surry
> hills as 96.1 then to Neutral Bay now to Ryde at the EDGE? Isn't there
> some sort of broadcasting law about katoomba license neglecting its
> area? What next C91 moving its studios Bondi or 3AK moving Cairns so
> the PD can go fishing?
The transmitter is still in the mountains though.
Then again, if C91.3 want all their announcers to live in the area...
Richard
Ken MacRaild
and later became networked from a hub or remotely automated still fulfill
the requirements of its licence regarding this "neglecting its area" issue?
Surely it has a similar effect to moving studios to a different area (as for
2KA/ONE and earlier with 2WS), as the focus of the station changes - which
is reflected in the topics that the DJ talks about and even in the
advertising content - no???
- Ken
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> So who was the first radio station on FM?
>
> ABC?
2MBS in Sydney I think was the first FM station on air.
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> How on earth did 2KA Katoomba get permission to slowly but surely
> become a penrith station then convert to ONE FM and move to surry
> hills as 96.1 then to Neutral Bay now to Ryde at the EDGE? Isn't there
> some sort of broadcasting law about katoomba license neglecting its
> area?
I agree totally. 2KA, ONE FM, 9inety6ix.1 and The Egde 96.1 are supposed to
be a station for the outer western suburbs with most of its emphasis on its
original coverage area of the Blue Mountains. Moving the studios to Penrith
in the 1970's was probably the beginning of 2KA's future plans. As for a
law about licence area neglect, I don't think one exists, but you can put
your house on it that if such a law was proposed, ARN would be the first to
challenge the laws.
Personally, I would like to see ARN take a stand and turn The Edge back into
a proper station for Western Sydney (unlikely to happen). What they should
do also is relocate the studio's back to Penrith or somewhere within its
licence area to show that they are indeed a local service (again, extremely
unlikely to happen).
>What next C91 moving its studios Bondi or 3AK moving Cairns so
> the PD can go fishing?
As for C91.3 moving to Bondi, that wont happen. If they were to move, they
would probably move to Wollongong and be based in the same building as i98fm
and WIN TV. AFAIK, C91.3 is very tightly regulated and such a move outside
of Campbelltown would be a major breach of its licence conditions.
> Wouldn't you think Lithgows KISS FM have a chance to over take the
> blue mountains to make it more profiable and more local for the
> listeners?
KISS are starting to include mountains content to pick up where ONE FM left
off. A translator at Katoomba on 99.5 should be starting soon (that's what
they said last year).
--
Paul
Bob Starkey
> become a penrith station then convert to ONE FM and move to surry
> hills as 96.1 then to Neutral Bay now to Ryde at the EDGE? Isn't there
> some sort of broadcasting law about katoomba license neglecting its
> area? What next C91 moving its studios Bondi or 3AK moving Cairns so
> the PD can go fishing?
>
Back in the 60's, 2KA used to network a lot of programmes with 2GZ Orange,
weekdays after 6:PM and possibly weekends too. These used to come from a
studio in Sydney.
Also, at one stage, I remember 2KA playing country music.
LMN
You're right, he was with 4GG, in management, when it first opened in the
late 60s.
After 4GG he went to Radio Fiji for some years, and he also did some PR work
for an American aviation company. I don't know what he's doing now.
"Paul in Melbourne" <p...@rocketmail.com> wrote > I recall Barry Ferber left
Paul Young
the Gold Coast
Paul
Andrew Bayley
It wouldn't have been that long ago if he had... he was interviewed on 3AK's
70th Anniversary special at the end of 2001.
Paul in Melbourne
recall him on the 3AK special. Roland was one of the first "talkback"
personalities on 3DB (in 1967?). I think the other was Gerald Lyons.
Paul in Melbourne
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> "Matthew Cook" <mat...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
> Now there's a new station called 3XY on 1422 in Melbourne. It's a
> Greek narrowcaster.
>
>
> **** It is not called 3XY.According to the ABA wesite it is a HPON
> with no call sign.
> Brian Goldsmith.
It is a HPON, and it may have no official callsign, but it still calls
itself 3XY.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
to start with? It sounds like a US name.
On the topic of 4GG - I thought it started in 1966. Anyway, from what
I can gather from reading the GC Bulletin - it was a great station
(they refer to it as a piece of folklore).
Frank Warwick, former long time Ch7 newsreader was once a GM IIRC.
By the time I got listening, the station was in its death throes,
which really happened before they converted to FM. Just went down from
there I thought to its current re-incarnation as Gold FM.
From what I read, the station was always in promotion overdrive and
very Gold Coast. When they went FM - the "war" was interesting with
Sea and Coast FM but apparaently nowhere near as good as they were.
Remember that before they started, GC media was heavily underserviced
with only the GC Bulletin newspaper. Now there's the GC Bulletin and a
free newspaper, 2 commercial stations, nearly all the ABC's and a few
inconsequential community stations and Ch9 local news.
What might Hot Tomato do when they come on? A return to the "good 'ol
days"?
Anyway, while I'm reminiscing about 4GG - does anyone else have any
memories of it? Surely Peter Tate has a few stories to tell.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
LMN
> Barry Ferber ... was he Australian...?
Yes.
Paul Melville Austin
Ian D
>
> Remember that before they started, GC media was heavily underserviced
> with only the GC Bulletin newspaper. Now there's the GC Bulletin and a
> free newspaper, 2 commercial stations, nearly all the ABC's and a few
> inconsequential community stations and Ch9 local news.
The free Gold Coast Sun was alive and kicking well before 4GG moved to
FM.
> Anyway, while I'm reminiscing about 4GG - does anyone else have any
> memories of it?
I remember 4GG as a great local station. Much better than Gold-FM
now.
I also remember with sort of fond memories that dreadful Beach Radio
at Surfers Paradise beach in the mid 70s. Sometimes during the week
they'd play the same 45 minute tape inluding ads on the PA system all
day. Whenever I hear Magic 693 play Al Martino's "To the Door of the
Sun" I always think of SP beach! :)
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
> LMN, He's thinking of Barry FARBER the American talk-radio personality
Sorry Paul, I was only thinking Barry Ferber of 4GG.
I didn't know about this Barry Farber guy - it's the US after all and
since their radio has fallen apart (if it was ever together) I can't
imagine there to be many "stars"/"personalities" left.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
Steven Dinius
You live 25 years in the past...
Radio is a conglomeration (ten-cent word) of businesses providing AUDIO
services to an audience.
Personalities are people hired to provide entertainment value or perceived
value to that broadcast (to make good 'ratings' and please the advertisers
who want assurances that those broadcasts will send buyers to their
businesses).
How you do that is irrelevant. If you do that for a large audience is
irrelevant too. This has been proven by Clear Channel and other 'group
broadcasters'. How you sell advertising time is important--sometimes more
important than content. This explains cable tv well.
There is still nothing wrong with wanting to be the 'best'...I think that
with more training you could do a very fine job.
But step in the game and it will turn your head to the truth. It's a job
albeit a really cool one but don't get full of it.
good luck...
Damn Yankee (ex-KQXR/KIOV(AM))
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Ian D wrote in message <11cc9bef.03032...@posting.google.com>...
>I also remember with sort of fond memories that dreadful Beach Radio
>at Surfers Paradise beach in the mid 70s. Sometimes during the week
>they'd play the same 45 minute tape inluding ads on the PA system all
>day. Whenever I hear Magic 693 play Al Martino's "To the Door of the
>Sun" I always think of SP beach! :)
I seem to remember another one at Coolangatta even earlier (late 60s).
bearcave75
> Stars and personalities-HAH
> You live 25 years in the past...
>
> Radio is a conglomeration (ten-cent word) of businesses providing AUDIO
> services to an audience.
> Personalities are people hired to provide entertainment value or perceived
> value to that broadcast (to make good 'ratings' and please the advertisers
> who want assurances that those broadcasts will send buyers to their
> businesses).
> How you do that is irrelevant. If you do that for a large audience is
> irrelevant too. This has been proven by Clear Channel and other 'group
> broadcasters'. How you sell advertising time is important--sometimes more
> important than content. This explains cable tv well.
>
> There is still nothing wrong with wanting to be the 'best'...I think that
> with more training you could do a very fine job.
> But step in the game and it will turn your head to the truth. It's a job
> albeit a really cool one but don't get full of it.
>
> good luck...
>
> Damn Yankee (ex-KQXR/KIOV(AM))
>
That's very thought-provoking. Thanks for that insight Damn Yankee :)
From Justin.
Ian D
> - it's the US after all and
> since their radio has fallen apart (if it was ever together) I can't
> imagine there to be many "stars"/"personalities" left.
From what I hear the "stars" of US radio today are the right-wing
pro-Repulican talkback hosts who are sydicated across many stations
telling people what to think - eg. Rush "Loudarse", Dr Laura, and Fox
News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, Shawn Hannity, and Alan Combes.
Andrew Bayley
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> I am sure I read of the death of Roland Strong several years ago. I do not
> recall him on the 3AK special. Roland was one of the first "talkback"
> personalities on 3DB (in 1967?). I think the other was Gerald Lyons.
My apologies Paul, you were correct.. it wasn't Roland Strong on the 3AK
special it was actually Malcolm Searle. Not sure how I confused them.
And on the DB topic, another early talkback name on DB in 1967 was Barry
Jones.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Australian radio - I made no comment about that. As for the value
judgements about me - my e-mail comes with every post, so privately
e-mail then through. Keep them off the NG, I don't think anyone cares
about what I or anyone should do with my life - Australia is free
country.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
Matthew Cook
> Stars and personalities-HAH
> You live 25 years in the past...
>
> Radio is a conglomeration (ten-cent word) of businesses providing
> AUDIO services to an audience.
> Personalities are people hired to provide entertainment value or
> perceived value to that broadcast (to make good 'ratings' and please
> the advertisers who want assurances that those broadcasts will send
> buyers to their businesses).
> How you do that is irrelevant. If you do that for a large audience is
> irrelevant too. This has been proven by Clear Channel and other 'group
> broadcasters'. How you sell advertising time is important--sometimes
> more important than content. This explains cable tv well.
Quite true. But it only works if everyone else is taking this approach, or
shock-horror, people actually get used to liking this sort of thing.
Acording to most capitalist theorists, a new player is supposed to come in
and break up a sluggish oligopoly. Of course in radio practice (and a number
of other places), this doesn't happen. Nova 100 = Fox FM = MIX FM etc. (OK,
MIX has more eighties stuff).
arfur
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>
> Ian D wrote in message
<11cc9bef.03032...@posting.google.com>...
>
> >I also remember with sort of fond memories that dreadful Beach Radio
> >at Surfers Paradise beach in the mid 70s. Sometimes during the week
> >they'd play the same 45 minute tape inluding ads on the PA system all
> >day. Whenever I hear Magic 693 play Al Martino's "To the Door of the
> >Sun" I always think of SP beach! :)
The person behind Beach Radio briefly owned 4IP in the late
80's, early 90's.
'GG people also included Rod Brice iirc. Interesting station
shirts they had (think fruit salad). Button up as well, with
collars. Big time.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
> Acording to most capitalist theorists, a new player is supposed to come in
> and break up a sluggish oligopoly. Of course in radio practice (and a number
> of other places), this doesn't happen. Nova 100 = Fox FM = MIX FM etc. (OK,
> MIX has more eighties stuff).
Very good, and as we all know, Aus Commercial radio is not the free
market utopia that keen capitalists strive for.
Radio here is highly regulated (and rareified industry?) and so we
really can't expect to see the same degree of "market forces" that
happen elsewhere. High entry cost = safe business plan etc.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
Matthew Cook
> Radio here is highly regulated (and rareified industry?) and so we
> really can't expect to see the same degree of "market forces" that
> happen elsewhere. High entry cost = safe business plan etc.
But look at less regulated markets like the US or NZ. Are things better
there?
Steven Dinius
the current stations have been in the present state (with some upgrades) for
up to 20 years (KQFC 98). KIZN revamped their format and changed freq's over
10 years ago. There's been a KIZN for 20 years. Magic 93.1 (KZMG) took the
"Magic" from Magic 92 KBBK (the freq now used by KIZN). KQFC was KBOI-FM and
has been on the air since 1960 (AM 1947). KKGL is the last one in the group
all owned by Citadel. "the Eagle 96.9" dates to 1976 as KUUZ (KWZ) and has
always played what is now called "classic rock" except for two years as
KBNY. Group ownership keeps this station alive but it's Different than
Journal Broadcasting's KJOT (J105 The Rock of Idaho) with over 15 years in
format and a country sister to KGEM (1941) in 1979. Clear Channel's KLTB has
10 yrs as Kool 104.3 and 1978 start as KIDQ Q104 (KIDO's FM). KRVB The River
94.9 BOISE originated in 1975 as KFXD-FM and today plays much the same thing
as it did 20 years ago. What comes around...yeah. KCIX 105.9 retooled when
CC bought them and added more Hits of Today to a good Mix (hence K106 became
Mix 106).
We have over 25 signals on FM ALONE and 15 AM. Only two (sisters) went off
for more than a couple months, and they left the air for 3 years and have
been back 13 so far (I know I worked there when they came back).
Now! You tell me which works better.
(Damn Yankee may have a point!)
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bearcave75
> > I have never heard a reference to Dimboola. Druleigh Business College
> > seems to be the explanation. But we are talking of the 1920s!
>
> Of course it was always a Melbourne station named after Druleigh
> Business College. It was one of the first stations to ever simulcast
> - to 3LK Lubek.
>
> It was perhaps Melbourne's MGM in the Golden Days - often getting 30%
> of the audience. Of course it had a head start on the others being
> owned by HWT - putting out the Sun News Pictorial and The Herald.
>
> What a tragedy that the licence is now in the hands of Clear Channel
> which cares nothing about radio. As the consistent bottom rating FM
> station MIX-FM on 6.3% is a disgrace.
>
> Roland Strong, Danny Webb, and Geoff McComous must be turning in their
> graves - particularly if they've gone to God.
Just for the trivia buffs, 3DB went off air at 5am, Easter Saturday
April the 2nd 1988. Barbera Streisand's 'The way we were' was the
last record aired. A few time pips were all that seperated departing
3DB and incoming 3TT. 'Listen to the music' by the Doobie Brothers
was the first record played at 5am.
The second song on TT was 'Friday on my mind' from the '60's. It
happened to be the song that brought sister station 2UW to an end
years later.
The stars have gone to GOD, the licences have gone to MIX :)
From Justin.
Paul in Melbourne
Paul in Melbourne
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Marcus Fitz-Gerald
does any of this "essay" below relate to Australian radio? What
benefit are we to get out of it?
I'm sorry Steve, it doesn't. Send me an e-mail comparing the
stations/markets/situations to Australia. And I'll try to help you
work out any issues about post here. Thanks.
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
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Ian D
>
> My apologies Paul, you were correct.. it wasn't Roland Strong on the 3AK
> special it was actually Malcolm Searle. Not sure how I confused them.
Understandable mistake Andrew. They were both the only comperes of
Melbourne's best quiz show in the early days of Television - HSV7's
Coles £3000 Question ... which became Coles $6000 Question.
Wombat Lover
<snip>
Clear Channel's KLTB has
> 10 yrs as Kool 104.3 and 1978 start as KIDQ Q104 (KIDO's FM). KRVB The
River
> 94.9 BOISE originated in 1975 as KFXD-FM and today plays much the same
thing
> as it did 20 years ago
Something sounds familiar with CC and its Aussie partners here....(not that
The River has anything to do with it)
<snip>
. . What comes around...yeah. KCIX 105.9 retooled when
> CC bought them and added more Hits of Today to a good Mix (hence K106
became
> Mix 106).
</snip>
Another familiar name again.....I wouldnt dismiss it as a "Fully" American
post from Steven there
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From Robert | Wombat Lover | Melbourne | http://www.surfnetvic.cjb.net |
Steven Dinius
Channel Worldwide and a smaller group called Horizon BC Group own most of
the Valley's stations. All the licenses AM and FM were established by 1989.
The "newest" 3: KBSU-AM 730, KTIK1350, and KKIC 950 came from KYME 740
(1955, donated to Boise St U), KAIN 1340 (~1960's) and KBRJ 950 (1968, due
to KBOI's move to 670, 50KW). Ownership has changed a lot all around until
the group scene came in. KFXD (580 now 630 thanx 2 CC) pioneered television
in the Treasure Valley (ch. 6), but lasted about 7 weeks and have been
"officially" swept away by the second's propaganda and forgotten 50 years
this May.
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licenses since about 1989. The owners just changed a lot until the group
ownership came in No station licenses have been turned in EVER that I know
of and the one combo that went off for 3 years even came back (I was there
and worked nights)! Now KQXR 100.3 The X is colicensed to Payette and Boise
and KIOV is Payette/Boise. KIZN had to colicense to be in Boise (New
Plymouth and was a rural assignment originally). Two Twin Falls (200 mi S of
Boise) stations are now in Boise. You complain about assignments being
abused, it's commonplace and nothing new here. We have MUCH in common.
Damn Yankee: time for some diet soda
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> Thanks for the memory; I recorded the changeover on that morning.
> Paul in Melbourne
I wished I had recorded it, I'm not really sure now why I didn't. I stayed
up literally all night to hear 3DB's last news bulletin at 1am, then the
replay of "The First 60 Years" with Bert Newton (the special was first aired
the previous year but IIRC the replay included some minor revisions to
reflect the pending change of callsign), that started at 1am and stayed
through to the changeover at 5am. I remember the announcers last words
"This is 3DB signing off" just before 5am. Not quite sure what happened
after 5, i recall it was just a voiceover announcing "This is 3TT, 1026 on
the AM band...." or something like that, then the Doobie Brothers track
(which was also 3TT's last track played before they switched to FM in 1990)
Paul in Melbourne
guy called John Allan as the presenter. The Bert Newton "history" of 3DB was
played in the early hours before the 0500 changeover.
Paul in Melbourne
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with Australian radio. Are there parallels? Have you heard some
Australian stations and are able to make a comparison that relates to
this post or what?
You gave us another post about US radio - how does it relate to
Australian radio?
Marcus Fitz-Gerald
Brisbane
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Paul Melville Austin
to use
Matthew Cook
> We have over 25 signals on FM ALONE and 15 AM. Only two (sisters)
> went off for more than a couple months, and they left the air for 3
> years and have been back 13 so far (I know I worked there when they
> came back).
>
> Now! You tell me which works better.
I'd like to say more definitivly, but I didn't think your post was
particularly focused on the point.
The main points I got from it was that:
a) the stations keep the same format for many years, and
b) you have a wide variety of stations to choose from
Is stability of format a good thing in itself? Is it not more imporant that
people can listen to what they want to hear?
Here in my part of Melbourne, I can recieve roughly 35 FM and 15 AM stations
with my low quality mini system. So numerically, my part of Australia at
least is superior. As it happens, most of these stations are small "local"
community FM stations that have no format, or AM stations in languages I
can't understand. Doesn't mean that *some* people don't like them though...
Ian D
> FWIW "DB-101" would still be a great moniker for the current licence holder
> to use
I agree Paul.
MIX would have to be the most wishy washy callsign in Melbourne.
Steven Dinius
these stations are still fairly stable and on air since the groups came. And
it was Citadel, then Journal and CC LAST if I remember correctly. We don't
have LPFM. All our stations are allowed full power available and don't
narrowcast. It's bloody hard to keep 25 signals from bleeding all over each
other, and that's why the engineers/FCC go and tweak things twice a year. FM
puts out multiple sidebands by it's very nature, and while a strong signal
will be selected over others by the tuner, the harmonics will show up where
there's no signal present. Digital does this too (AM included). The
modulation on both forms of IBOC (In Band, On Channel--okayed in US) is
similar to FM (NBFM I bet) and it causes signals outside the assigned
channel. WLW 700 Cincinnati (CC) and WOR 710 New York were testing it and it
was splashing 60 kHz either way. It will kill AM as you know it. Wideband
sounds better even with interference...IBOC cuts off analog at 5 kHz and
isn't even stereo.
Damn Yankee is happy to have clean FM stereo sound and good AM music 24/7
(stereo 13 hrs/day till KBSU changes pattern/power).
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Matthew Cook
> My point was basically you may not care for the group ownership, but
> all these stations are still fairly stable and on air since the
> groups came. And it was Citadel, then Journal and CC LAST if I
> remember correctly.
Most stations in Australia have had something similar to their present
format for years. The commercial stations with more variable formats are
few, and mainly exist in the larger metro markets.
> We don't have LPFM.
LPFM is an American concept - www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lpfm/. The nearest
equivilent here are the LPON (low power open narrowcast) stations
(www.aba.gov.au/radio/narrowcasting/LPON/), which are restricted to
"narrowcast" formats, with less restrictions than the LPFM ones.
>All our stations are allowed
> full power available
Available? The powers are what they are here to stop the interference
problems you talk of. It appears that stations in the US run different
powers as well. As it happens, in Australia the national stations tend to
have the highest powers; then the commercial stations and larger community
stations; and then the "narrowcasters" (smaller commercial stations) and
smaller community stations. Power is related to intended audience size. In
some areas this means stations with "narrowcast" formats use the same power
as some commercial stations that don't.
> and don't narrowcast.
"Narrowcasting" is a silly concept devised by the ABA, and has little to do
with transmitter power. It's all about the format. And those format
definitions are IMO, rather contrived. I hear there are stations in the US
that broadcast in langauges other than English, betting related racing, and
tourist information. If so they are the equivilent to our "narrowcasters".
> It's bloody hard to keep
> 25 signals from bleeding all over each other, and that's why the
> engineers/FCC go and tweak things twice a year. FM puts out multiple
> sidebands by it's very nature, and while a strong signal will be
> selected over others by the tuner, the harmonics will show up where
> there's no signal present. Digital does this too (AM included). The
> modulation on both forms of IBOC (In Band, On Channel--okayed in US)
> is similar to FM (NBFM I bet) and it causes signals outside the
> assigned channel. WLW 700 Cincinnati (CC) and WOR 710 New York were
> testing it and it was splashing 60 kHz either way. It will kill AM as
> you know it. Wideband sounds better even with interference...IBOC
> cuts off analog at 5 kHz and isn't even stereo.
Reasons why IBOC isn't and almost certainly won't be approved in Australia.
> Damn Yankee is happy to have clean FM stereo sound and good AM music
> 24/7 (stereo 13 hrs/day till KBSU changes pattern/power).
I guess if I listened to AM music, I could claim the same (although the only
AM music station here I might listen to, Double X, has a very narrow
bandwidth assigned to it).