2 letter call sign allocations/ WIA
Bindy
callsigns?
When callsigns were controlled by the ACMA it was just a matter of
applying and you got the callsign it was available.
How does the WIA process work, if you want a 2nd or 3rd 2 letter
callsign?
I have a friend who seems to be rejected every time by the WIA, even
though he applies for the callsigns the day they are listed surely he
cant have bad luck several times?
Is the WIA truly allocating these callsigns on the first come first
serve basis? Or do they decide arbitrarily that if you do have a 2
letter callsign that you dont deserve another one and dont offer an
recomendation? I am curious about how the whole process works.
What is also interesting is that he would apply for callsign, receive
the rejection and the callsign is still listed for 1 week after the
rejection. What gives here? In one case he sent an express registered
letter within 1 hour of the callsign being registered. You can
understand his suspicions.
I find it curious that if the WIA was just supposed to be the
administrator of the callsign issuing, why dont they explain the
exact way these callsigns are allocated. They only discuss the
procedures on their web page.
Can anyone shed more light? Because my friend is getting sick and
tired wasting his time and postage stamps sending in applications. If
you allowed by law to have multiple callsigns they should issue them.
Greg
posted on behalf a whinging friend!
Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
"Bindy" <blueh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Greg,
The whole procedure is explained in full on the WIA website.
See http://www.wia.org.au/licences/licensing/guidetocallsigns/
Go here: http://www.wia.org.au/licences/licensing/publiclist/ to checkout
the available 2 letter calls in your friends call areas.
Here's a hint, VK2 - 0, Vk3 = 1, VK4 = 8 or so available callsigns so if you
and your whinging mate are in any state apart from QLD, your basically outta
luck.
Having said that, ACMA has relaxed its policy of allocating out of state
people callsigns from a different state, so you could conceivably get the
callsign you want, just for a different call area.
--
Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
East Innisfail
Queensland
Australia
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atec 77
> Can someone tell me if you allowed to hold multiple 2 letter
> callsigns?
>
> When callsigns were controlled by the ACMA it was just a matter of
> applying and you got the callsign it was available.
>
> How does the WIA process work, if you want a 2nd or 3rd 2 letter
> callsign?
>
> I have a friend who seems to be rejected every time by the WIA, even
> though he applies for the callsigns the day they are listed surely he
> cant have bad luck several times?
MoiInAust
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Kathy
"Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF" <no....@no.spam.com> wrote in message
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Well, I took a look and got informed that it would cost me $50 to get a 2
letter callsign. And to think I got vk4xyl on request from then DOC for free
back when I moved to Qld. Now you gotta pay through the nose for the
so-called 'status' of a two letter call.
I'll stick with my nice, unique and free call, ta very much.
Kate vk4xyl
who where
wrote:
>Bindy wrote:
>> Can someone tell me if you allowed to hold multiple 2 letter
>> callsigns?
>>
>> When callsigns were controlled by the ACMA it was just a matter of
>> applying and you got the callsign it was available.
>>
>> How does the WIA process work, if you want a 2nd or 3rd 2 letter
>> callsign?
>>
>> I have a friend who seems to be rejected every time by the WIA, even
>> though he applies for the callsigns the day they are listed surely he
>> cant have bad luck several times?
> it appears now unless you are on the inner there is no chance
But that's how the WIA has *always* worked with everything. There's a
governing clique, and only its afficionados get looked after.
Like others, I really do wonder why anyone feels a need for more than
one callsign, let alone wanting to *collect* two-letter calls.
atec 77
Considering some of the boobs who now sport two letters it bears a very
negative status atm and certainly has to prestige any more
Thanks but I will stick with the letters currently in use as they have
been for several decades
Bindy
My friend does not want to collect 2 letter callsigns. He is a very
active CW operator and he only operates on CW.
His callsign causes problems with the letter combinations so he wants
to change it.
When he gets a new call he will release the old call.
Why would he relinquish his old call before he gets a new call?]
Thats all. However when you search the ACMA database many many people
hold multiple 2 letter calls.
Many of them are WIA members!
Jack VK2CJC
> letter callsign. And to think I got vk4xyl on request from then DOC for
> free back when I moved to Qld. Now you gotta pay through the nose for the
> so-called 'status' of a two letter call.
>
> I'll stick with my nice, unique and free call, ta very much.
Yep, what was once easy and free, now costs time, paperwork and $$$s.
Thats progress for you.
I'd be interested to hear where the WIA spend the not unreasonable sum they
are making from charging us for permission to apply to the ACMA for a
callsign.
They got $18,800 for sorting out the 2 letter call mess when the ACMA spat
the dummy.
The term "representative society" doesnt mean what it used to.
George W Frost
Sad to see that nepotism still exist in the OLD BOYS CLUB.
My friend does not want to collect 2 letter callsigns. He is a very
active CW operator and he only operates on CW.
His callsign causes problems with the letter combinations so he wants
to change it.
When he gets a new call he will release the old call.
Why would he relinquish his old call before he gets a new call?]
Thats all. However when you search the ACMA database many many people
hold multiple 2 letter calls.
Many of them are WIA members!
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There you have it
The WIA, looking after its own first
the typical Boys Club syndrome
George W Frost
"MoiInAust" <us...@user.com> wrote in message
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I got my licence in 1978 and was allocated a callsign, which I thought would
have looked better with initials, 2 or 3, but I had to take the one I was
allocated, Postal and Telecommunications Depertment, Wireless and Telegraphy
Act at the time made the rules.
When I did a check, manual one in those days of not very good computers, I
found that there were 2 callsigns which I could have had as they were
unallocatedf at the time.
Then, bugger me, a couple of months later, these both 2 letter callsigns had
been allocated and Lo and Behold, they
were both allocated to the same person, who also "happened" to be part of
the WIA hierarchy
who where
<blueh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sad to see that nepotism still exist in the OLD BOYS CLUB.
>
>My friend does not want to collect 2 letter callsigns. He is a very
>active CW operator and he only operates on CW.
>
>His callsign causes problems with the letter combinations so he wants
>to change it.
>When he gets a new call he will release the old call.
>Why would he relinquish his old call before he gets a new call?]
Maybe he should spell that out (using *small_words*) when he next
applies. That way, the WIA seekers_of_all_power will see that it
isn't really consuming that valuable(?) resource that they covet for
their inner circle.
>Thats all. However when you search the ACMA database many many people
>hold multiple 2 letter calls.
>Many of them are WIA members!
And that suprises you?
toowoomba4350
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:25:35 -0800 (PST), Bindy <bluehyh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Can someone tell me if you allowed to hold multiple 2 letter
> >callsigns?
>
> I think you should complain to the ACMA.
>
> >Greg
> >posted on behalf a whinging friend!
>
> =====
> Home pagehttp://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og- Hide quoted text -
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I would like to think that there is only ONE callsign per operator, IF
not it should be so as this would be as ridiculous as having multiple
number plates on you car (and paying multiple registration fees)
As for the 2 letter ones, why bother? isn't amateur radio a hobby for
people from all walks of life helping one another and not just trying
to show off? (Note; I'm not saying that the "old guard" are show offs,
but the new ones whingeing about not being able to get a 2 letter one
must be?)
Like cars; there will always be people who don't mind spending more
than $2000 on a number plate rather than spending it on fuel, so how
about charging (say) $1000 or more for 2 letter callsigns from now on?
By the time I'm there, a 3 letter one will do me fine! ONE whole
letter less than today!
Albert
VK4FAPV
toowoomba4350
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>
> I would like to think that there is only ONE callsign per operator, IF
> not it should be so as this would be as ridiculous as having multiple
> number plates on you car (and paying multiple registration fees)
> As for the 2 letter ones, why bother? isn't amateur radio a hobby for
> people from all walks of life helping one another and not just trying
> to show off? (Note; I'm not saying that the "old guard" are show offs,
> but the new ones whingeing about not being able to get a 2 letter one
> must be?)
> Like cars; there will always be people who don't mind spending more
> than $2000 on a number plate rather than spending it on fuel, so how
> about charging (say) $1000 or more for 2 letter callsigns from now on?
> By the time I'm there, a 3 letter one will do me fine! ONE whole
> letter less than today!
> Albert
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to the WIA, the answer is below
The matter of two letter callsigns and the number of callsigns and
licences was covered very fully in 2008 when the ballot for two
letter
callsigns was held to release the the 2 letter callsigns from
quarantine
and allow them to be allocated again under the new class of licences
introduced in 2005.
The Directors of the WIA, you will find have no more than one two
letter
callsign each if they have a two letter call at all.
The ACMA issue licences and the matter of multiple licences has been
raised before.
Regards
Margaret
Margaret Williams
Administration Officer
marg...@wia.org.au
George W Frost
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Regards
Margaret
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Good bit of duck shovelling there
"The Directors of the WIA, you will find have no more than one two
letter
callsign each if they have a two letter call at all.
The ACMA issue licences and the matter of multiple licences has been
raised before.":
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May have been raised before, but not resolved in the positive
Steve Gee
What is the big deal about 2 letter callsigns want mine ? its yours
Dili
"Bindy" <blueh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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well ya not getting mine, i wud have to change me cuff links repaint the
door on my house and car, redo all the mirrors , my letterheads etc etc etc
too expensive
hat, shirt, the lst is endless where i have my two letter call plastered,
George W Frost
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You have just proved the point that 2 letter callsign holders are nothing
but elitists
Pfffft...
Callsigns on letterheads, numberplates, lettering on the car windows and all
the other elitist junk
And even cufflinks??
what an elitist you turned out to be
Do you flash your cufflinks under everyones nose when you go to a radio
convention
Oh no, you wouldn't do that, would you?
Too downgrading for your kind
Brad
> "Dili" <weus...@elsewhere.com> wrote in message
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> > "Bindy" <bluehyh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Humour is not really your strong point, is it?
gcd
back in 1978 I got my 1st call (novice) and it was allocated by DOTC. Back
then there was a preference for N prefix novice calls but I was issued one
of the new V calls. I did ask if I could have on N of course but was
refused. In 1981 I got my 2nd call (limited) and I selected that one. There
was no question in either instance of "are you a wia member" - had nothing
to do with it at all.
Greg
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George W Frost
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My post was not meant to be humorous
If I wanted it to be, I would have posted it in aus.humour
George W Frost
"gcd" <gcdmel...@deletemelbnospam.iimetro.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> back in 1978 I got my 1st call (novice) and it was allocated by DOTC.
> Back then there was a preference for N prefix novice calls but I was
> issued one of the new V calls. I did ask if I could have on N of course
> but was refused. In 1981 I got my 2nd call (limited) and I selected that
> one. There was no question in either instance of "are you a wia member" -
> had nothing to do with it at all.
>
> Greg
It should not have made any difference then, because the DOTC ran things
But, the WIA did have as good finger in the pie and if you were "in the
know": then you got preferential treatment
MoiInAust
tongue in cheek?
George W Frost
If you wore cufflinks, then you would be in the poofy elitist class too
toowoomba4350
> "MoiInAust" <u...@user.com> wrote in message
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> > "George W Frost" <georgewfr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Brad" <goog...@vk2qq.com> wrote in message
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mudslinging means this subject is in effect closed and whinges can be
sent to the WIA...
George W Frost
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Off you go then....
MoiInAust
George W Frost
atec 77
Dili
got to Hang onto the 2 Letter call now George, I forgot abt the two tatoo's
I have , one on me arm, and one on me male member
was so excited years ago when i go it a 2 letter, never gave it a thought I
could get 2 or 3 even, or even change it at a later date, so these tats have
to got to stay.sorry u can't have mine.
George W Frost
I have a nice little angle grinder that will take your tatts off very easily
George W Frost
"atec 77" <"atec 77"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That class is reserved for cuff link wearers and their supporters
atec 77
and you are still a poofta
Peter Dettmann
wrote:
>> That class is reserved for cuff link wearers and their supporters
>>
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>You don't get to set the rules fella
> and you are still a poofta
yep, just as I thought, it takes one to think he recognises one.
peter
atec 77
hello socky
Andrew
> > Well, I took a look and got informed that it would cost me $50 to get a 2
> > letter callsign. And to think I got vk4xyl on request from then DOC for
> > free back when I moved to Qld. Now you gotta pay through the nose for the
> > so-called 'status' of a two letter call.
>
> > I'll stick with my nice, unique and free call, ta very much.
>
> Yep, what was once easy and free, now costs time, paperwork and $$$s.
>
> Thats progress for you.
>
> I'd be interested to hear where the WIA spend the not unreasonable sum they
> are making from charging us for permission to apply to the ACMA for a
> callsign.
> They got $18,800 for sorting out the 2 letter call mess when the ACMA spat
> the dummy.
>
> The term "representative society" doesnt mean what it used to.
ACMA decided that callsign allocation was a huge bunfight they didn't
want to be involved in. So it was outsourced. Now if it is going to
be done by someone other than ACMA, who would you prefer to have won
the tender, some company that has nothing to do with amateur radio, or
the WIA?
The WIA's financial statements are published on their website so
anyone concerned with what the WIA does with that money can find out
more readily there than in a pub.
As far as I can see, anyone can hold as many callsigns as they are
prepared to pay for. Irrespective of the number of letters in the
call. The decision on who gets the two letter calls appears to me, to
be made very fairly. Just follow the procedure and be prepared for
the fact that there are dozens of people applying for the same
callsign.
Andrew
VK1DA
George W Frost
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Andrew
VK1DA
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Can't see where a " bunfight " would occur
when I got my licence, it was a straight forward application and you got
what was given to you.
The part you say about people holding several callsigns did happen then and
still does.
It usually went word of mouth and when someone relinquished their callsign
though their own wishes or death, then others would apply for that callsign
if it was desirable.
If it was through the death of the holder, then other amateurs would ask the
family for the right to continue the callsign.
Don't know if that still is the case.
I think it is more the case of the WIA wanting their fingers in the pie to
make more money out of amateurs
Jack
the tender, some company that has nothing to do with amateur radio, or
the WIA?
>
Indeed. I quite agree. I was a little concerned who might win that contract
and was relieved when the WIA got it.
I just feel the financial aspects of it all should have been much better
explained to the members. Yes the financial statements are available, but
who looks through them and how many people fully understand them?
The WIA took in $18,800 for 2 letter callsign applications. For a task which
was merely administrational. The WIA didn't issue callsigns, they only sent
a letter out to tell you to do it.
What happened to that money? I'm not suggesting it wasn't a necessary
charge, but to take such a large sum for a service that until recently was
free of charge, it should have been made very clear when the cash was going.
The other issue that's winding people up is the increase in examination
fees. Apparently (as reported in the WIA mag) the ACMA has instructed the
WIA that they have to charge exams at cost. Which turns out to be more
expensive than they have been previously. Of course the ACMA meant the WIA
weren't to profit from exams, but the WIA have taken that to mean they are
no longer allowed to subsidise them. That stinks! It does nothing to win
members trust.
Maybe the WIA need that cash to do good works, or even just to pay the
bills. I understand that funds are tight. But when we find ourselves paying
huge sums of money (collectively) for services that were once free (or
cheaper), a full explanation would be appreciated.
BTW, I am a WIA member and I support the good work they do.
VK4TI
advising the ACMA which is extremely sad...
An amateur callsign is allocated to a station location not a person.
(the WIA seem to have this back to front)
Even though in normal use we may be known as the callsign eg VK4TI
this is not correct. I hold an Amateur Operators Certificate of
Proficiency that authorises me to operate a station - it may well be
some other callsign.
So when the WIA says you can only have one callsign when you may have
two locations etc or will for a second as long as you pay the fee I
cant see why this should be blocked.
In the case of the person who has the problem...I think the
application needs to very specifically state that callsign X will be
relinquished upon allocation of callsign Y and accompanying the
application should be a written authority to the ACMA to cancell the
old callsign ONLY on the allocation of the new station identifier.
That is exactly what I did when I changed from VK2ZI to VK4TI - back
then I even nominated a mate to pickup the VK2ZI callsign after and
his paperwork was also with ACMA.
Trent VK4TI
George W Frost
"VK4TI" <vk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The WIA and the ACMA lack perception of the regulations - the WIA is
> advising the ACMA which is extremely sad...
>
> An amateur callsign is allocated to a station location not a person.
> (the WIA seem to have this back to front)
>
> Even though in normal use we may be known as the callsign eg VK4TI
> this is not correct. I hold an Amateur Operators Certificate of
> Proficiency that authorises me to operate a station - it may well be
> some other callsign.
>
> So when the WIA says you can only have one callsign when you may have
> two locations etc or will for a second as long as you pay the fee I
> cant see why this should be blocked.
The multiple callsign holders who I was referring to, all had the same
address
All in Victoria and all with strong ties to the WIA
VK4TI
But did they have the callsigns before or after the new
allocations ???
George W Frost
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That my friend, is too far back for me to remember