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FREESPIRIT

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Dec 20, 2003, 10:47:13 PM12/20/03
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The Qld police have gone digital with encryption. How can i beat this
please? Ive only a normal scanner.

Are there any digital radio equipment i can mod to decode the encrypted
signal please??

Ty in advance..


Kim & Pete

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Dec 22, 2003, 5:16:30 AM12/22/03
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"FREESPIRIT" <rred...@comcen.com.au> wrote in message
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> Are there any digital radio equipment i can mod to decode the encrypted
> signal please??
>

I'd suggest that this will be a little difficult after all that's why it's
call encryption...


FREESPIRIT

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Dec 22, 2003, 6:07:32 AM12/22/03
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When radio amateurs are involved,nothing is impossible... power to the hams

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Neil

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Dec 23, 2003, 11:42:47 AM12/23/03
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Exactly Freespirit.... Whatever frequency your scanner works in, I believe
it is poss to decode the signals via a process known as pulse code
modulation, where it converts from a digital signal into an analogue signal.
Do an IT/Electrical Engineering degree and you'll undertstand. There is a
program floating around on the net I saw, written in C language that seems
to accept digital signals, sets them as these paramaters and does some sort
of decoding process to analogue, inc. moble phone signals.
Neil

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FREESPIRIT

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Dec 23, 2003, 7:18:41 PM12/23/03
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Wow,ill look on the net for the convertor. TY Neil.

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Pär C

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Jan 5, 2004, 6:32:53 PM1/5/04
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As I am located on the other side of the planet I couldn't
possibly listen in on those transmissions but I'll try to
say a few things anyway.

First I just have to say that there are weak systems around
that can be listened in on easily but this might not be such
a system. There's not much info around on what this system
is, most of it is pretty much like this url:

http://members.dodo.com.au/~kevcat/policefreq.htm

That url says it's "digital using Motorola equipment".
If that is true then it's pretty safe to assume that it's some
nice digital waveform (PSK of some sort), with a vocoder and
some simple, exportable, encryption algorithm. You will have
to get some, expensive, equipment that is able to decode
multiple forms of digital transmissions. Find out what algorithm
is being used, brute force your way into it and then feed that
output to the proper vocoder.
Dont expect to solve this right away...

It might also be digital and unencrypted, either way you are
looking at a nice little summer project.

73 de Per
sm0rwo

WG

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Feb 26, 2004, 12:53:28 AM2/26/04
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Good luck. Our police have been encrypted digital for a few years and not
even the news media with its bottomless pockets have been able to break it.
One of the big troubles is that the radio system can stack 5 transmitters on
to 1 frequency at the same time so you would also have to be able to
separate what you don't want. Something else that they are doing hear is
changing the trunking and encryption codes every few hours so by the time
the computer cracks one they have moved to another one.

Ware are you as that I am trying to keep track of who is going encrypted
digital. I am in Vancouver BC and they have the best system I have seen so
far. You can check it out at http://www.ecomm.bc.ca/ . When a government
puts the kind of money into a system that they did you can bet that it is
good. The cops just love it because they don't have the trouble of unwanted
on-lookers and the drug dealers don't know when they are coming. People have
tried to steel the radios and dispatch just shuts them down and turns the
radio into a paperweight. Also the radios broadcast GPS information back to
dispatch so they know ware each radio is all the time. Like I said at the
beginning, GOOD LUCK.


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Andrew Kenna

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Jun 18, 2004, 7:11:59 AM6/18/04
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Yes but will that decode the encryption keys, also you have forgotten that
some systems have the ability to re-key across the air.

Encryption will be the end of scanners especially if they use live
re-keying.

Andrew

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