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Dr. Jai Maharaj... Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:00 pm

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Forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule

Some points on Rajdeep Sardesai's open letter to Uddhav Thackeray

Friday, February 12, 2010

In an open letter to Uddhav Thackeray, on the Shiv Sena severe
criticism of Shahrukh Khan, Rajdeep Sardesai writes: "Sharukh is no
surprise since the Sena has always been uncomfortable with the Indian
Muslim identity."

Clearly the secularists cannot view ANY issue except on communal
terms. There are some Muslims who are members of the Shiv Sena and
also who support the Shiv Sena. I guess, accoroding to Rajdeepji,
they are really not true Muslims. And what about Muslims who have
also criticised Shahrukhji on this issue? I guess, they too are not
true Muslims.

Rajdeepji also writes: "You've called Sharukh a traitor for wishing
to choose Pakistani cricketers in the IPL. "

This is an utter and blatant lie. But then to show one's so-called
secular credentials it is necessary to resort to lies. Without which
one cannot make any case.

Rajdeepji knows (or should know) that Shahrukh was termed a traitor
by Shiv Sena because he said that Pakistan is a GREAT neighbour.
Now, one can say that Shiv Sena is wrong on this issue. But bring
out his statement out in the public, rather than tell les.
Furthermore, Shajrukhji should be asked why he did not choose any
Paksitani players himself.

Rajdeepji would like Uddahvji to focus on some important issues. For
example, he writes: "Farmer suicides still continue, the after-
effects of drought are still being faced in several districts, but
the focus is now squarely on finding high profile hate figures."

I am sure if Rajdeepji devotes the resources of his channel on these
important issues, instead of giving a minute-by-minute report on the
travel programme of Rahul Gandhi in Mumbai, the people of this
country would be eternally grateful to him.

Rajdeepji writes: "The Congress-NCP government in the state has been
thoroughly incompetent: the last decade has seen Maharashtra decline
on most social and economic parameters."

I do not watch Rajdeepji's channel. Has he highlighted this issue of
incompetence in any meaningful manner?

A general question. Has Rajdeepji written an open letter to Digvijay
Singh on the latter's visit to Azamgarh in UP, which is well-known to
be a hotbed of creators of terrorists in India? He will probably
write a letter in open praise of Digvijayji.

The open letter is available at:

<a href="http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/61523/an-open-
letter-to-uddhav-thackeray.html">http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/
rajdeepsardesai/1/61523/an-open-letter-to-uddhav-thackeray.html</a>

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FOOD FOR SOUL

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Dr. Jai Maharaj Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:14 pm

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Forwarded message from "akash singh" <a
href="mahara...@yahoo.com"mahara...@yahoo.com</a>

[ From: "akash singh" <mahara...@yahoo.com>
[ Subject: Fwd: Food for soul
[ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003

Pranam,

There is this lady called yamuna harshavardhan from
chennai (where else !!!) who writes an article on
msn.co.in called "food for soul". Primarily it is an
agency for christian propaganda. For all it counts she
herself could be christian. Read through here articles
here on

<a href="http://server1.msn.co.in/foodforsoul/foodindex.asp">http://
server1.msn.co.in/foodforsoul/foodindex.asp</a>

Prior to evangelizing for christianity she had written
some articles on the "mythologies called Ramayana and
Mahabharata". Notice that none of the stories of the
Mahabharata have anything remotely to do with the The
Lord of the Universe, Narayana in his avatar as Lord
Krishna. In contrast look at her iconification and the
hagiography of christ.

Some months back I had pointed this out in a post to the
discussion forum of the column. I had also claimed that
Gates donation of 300 million for AIDS is a not
altogether altruistic. We know that most of the time this
kind of money is used for christian conversions. Also it
does not escape anyone's notice that MSNBC, the
conservative news channel in the US is part owned by
Microsoft. Also has everyone forgotten that Microsoft's
Encarta Encyclopaedia has the material written on
Hinduism by one "wendy doniger".

Attached below is the response from the lady in question.
No mention is made of the issues that I had raised. Only
some references to the fact that so and so is Hindu are
made. The very fact that my post got this lady to respond
means that things are not what they seem to be.

And yes notice that she says "I wish Hindus get educated
about the good in the Bible and then teach the
Christians"

Namaste,
Akash

amuna Harsha <a
href="yamuna...@hotmail.com">yamuna...@hotmail.com wrote:</a>

Quote:

Pranam Mr. Akash

This is Yamuna Harshavardhana from Chennai writing you
(though rather late as I came by this only now) with
regard to your criticism of Food for soul. I am Hindu
without a doubt and all the mythological stories (so far
all the stories were from the Mahabharata and Ramayana is
to follow the Bible) were written by me. I wonder which
Christian is catholic enough to do so???

Leave Bill Gates aside- he sits in Seattle and
Evangelisation should be far from his business concerns.
I am certain of this as I am associated with MS in ways
other than Food for Soul. Nearer home, the Production
Manager for the MSN India site is Mr Krishna Prasad
(certainly he is not Christian) the website designers are
a company called Vishwak (I am sure it is Hindu) and at
the global level, the MSN World manager is Mr. Aravind
Sampath who I know personally to be a chaste Hindu.
Therefore even you can rest assured MSN is not on an
evangelisation spree - I wish Hindus get educated about
the good in the Bible and then teach the Christians.

I do not mean to be arrogant, but please get your facts
right before you point a finger at any person, Mr. Akash.

With Best Wishes
Yamuna

End of forwarded message from "akash singh" <mahara...@yahoo.com>

Jai Maharaj
<a href="http://www.mantra.com/jai">http://www.mantra.com/jai</a>
Om Shanti

Panchaang for 3 Chaitr 5105, Tuesday, March 23, 2004:

Shubhanu Nama Samvatsare Uttarayane Moksh Ritau
Meen Mase Shukl Pakshe Mangal Vasara Yuktayam
Ashvini-Bharani Nakshatr Vaidhruti Yog
Gar-Vanij Karan Tritiya-Chaturthi Yam Tithau

Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

Dr. Jai Maharaj Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:15 pm

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Forwarded message from "Ashok Chowgule"
<ash...@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in>

[ From: "Ashok Chowgule" <ash...@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in>
[ Subject: Re: Fwd: Food for soul
[ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003

When Yamunajis says ("I wish Hindus get educated about
the good in the Bible and then teach the Christians")
there is an implicit assumption that the Christians have
got educated about the good in Hinduism and are now
teaching the Christians. Can she elaborate on this
assumption?

Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

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AFTER CHITPAVAN RALLY, A MULTILINGUAL BRAHMIN CONFERENCE AT BEED

Forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule

After Chitpavan rally, a multilingual Brahmin conference at Beed

By Rakshit Sonawane
The Indian Express
December 27, 2007

Introduction: Maya shadow looms as community talks about
unity move ahead of Lok Sabha elections

Close on the heels of a rally of Chitpavan Brahmins in
Pune, a multilingual conference of Brahmins has been
organised in Beed, indicating a possible political
polarisation of the community in Maharashtra ahead of the
next Lok Sabha elections.

The two-day conference, to be held on January 19 and 20 at
Jani-janardhan Nagar in Beed, is expected to be attended by
Brahmins from all shakhas and also migrants from other
states speaking different languages, unlike the Pune rally
that was exclusively for Chitpavans.

According to political sources, the state-level rallies
might lead to polarisation of the community in the next two
years. Various shakhas of the community have already held
district-level and division-level meetings over the past
one year in the state. These" shakhas have lambasted
mainstream political parties like the Congress for ignoring
Brahmins and have in principle agreed to work for a party
which would give them their share of power.

"The aim of this conference is to unite Brahmins from all
shakhas, work for their welfare and provide guidance to
enable all, including poor

among them, to face the challenges of future with
confidence," Namdeo Kshirsagar, the general secretary of
the Bahu-Bhashik Brahman Maha-Adhiveshan 2008, told The
Indian Express. "We are expecting Brahimins from all parts
of Maharashtra, speaking different languages like Marathi,
Kannada, Tamil, Telugu and Hindi to attend the conference."

"We are not only going to deliberate on our traditions; but
also discuss women's issues, education and self-employment
opportunities for ' the poorer among us," he said.

When asked whether, the conference would have any political
overtones, he replied in affirmative. "The political link
is there...it can't be separated," he said.

"Some Brahmins are already in politics, but are divided
into various parties and organisations. We want to unite
them." He pointed, out that some senior politicians would
be felicitated at the conference, which would also
enlighten the participants on various issues, including
asserting themselves politically. He added that guidance
would be provided for overall development of Brahmins,
materially and intellectually. "For instance, we'll also
provide information on modern methods of farming to
Brahmins of who till land," he said.

The agenda of the conference includes: giving up
traditional practices that are harmful to society,
providing information on modern technology and employment
opportunities, inculcating the need for bringing in social
equality, making efforts to help needy students and
unemployed youths, and empowering Brahmin women to face the
modern world.

Though the percentage of Brahmins in the state is around
three, most of them are highly educated and hold
responsible positions in the government and private sector.
There are a few pockets in the state, where Brahmin voters
can tilt the scales in elections. "There is a feeling among
the Brahmins that despite. their intelligence, they are
sidelined in politics and thereby denied power in the
democratic setup," a senior politician said, pointing out
that the recent awareness in the community had come after
BSP leader Mayawati's "sarvajan hitaya" experiment by
teaming up with Brahmins in Uttar Pradesh and giving them
powerful political positions.

However, the BSP has denied it has a hand in organising the
conferences.

"It is true that there is a renaissance and Brahmins are
coming together after the Uttar Pradesh experiment, but we
have no role to play (in organizing Brahmin conferences),"
the state general secretary of BSP Suresh Mane said. "It is
a spontaneous activity."

Nevertheless, it may be recalled that some speakers at the
Chitpavan rally at Pune had urged the community to
introspect on its political fate and warned the government
about a polarisation on the lines of Uttar Pradesh.

End of forwarded message from Ashok Chowgule

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Mr. Ashok V. Chowgule
Vice President
Vishwa Hindu Parishad
Maharashtra, India

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From: Ashok Chowgule

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Deceased Graham Stewart Staines (hereinafter referred to as
'Staines')
as an Australian National whose tryst with Mayurbhanj in Orissa began
in the year 1965 when he made rendezvous with its District
Headquarter
at Baripada for treatment and eradication of Leprosy amongst the poor
and did an excellent job in the field.He became the honorary
Secretary
of Baripada Leprosy Home.He was also the Secretary of the Evangelical
Missionary Society of Mayurbhanj (EMSM).As a missionary, he was
preaching Gospel and spreading the tenets of Christianity in jungle
camps held in different tribal belts in the district of Mayurbhanj
and
Keonjhar.

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Published on: 10/6/2006 Last Visited: 9/8/2007

Yard boss Ashok Chowgule says Indian coastal shipping is still
undeveloped and presents revenue-earning opportunities.

Ashok Chowgule: in shipbuilding for the long haul.

The industrial and shipping group was started by Chowgule & Co
executive director Ashok Chowgule's grandfather with a small
manufacturing business.

Today, the group is involved in industrial explosives, salt and
gases,
as well as brewing, marketing agencies and machine fabrication.Its
iron-ore mining generates around three million tonnes of exports per
year, some two million tonnes to Japan and one million tonnes to
China.All are free-onboard (FOB) contracts.

Involved in the business are the Chowgule brothers, Ashok and group
chief executive Vijay, and their first cousins.Ashok and Vijay's
father is now 91 years old but is described as being "still not
exactly retired".

Ashok says India's manufacturing strength is not appreciated given
its
educated workforce, industrial knowledge and strong, commercial and
legal infrastructure, 'which, he claims, makes it relatively easy to
operate in the country.

Things happen slowly in India but those who get into shipbuilding,
given the environmental-impact hoops they have to go through, are
serious players and will be there for the long term, says Ashok
Chowgule.

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On 5/22/07, Ashok Chowgule

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by Ashok Chowgule in association with Hindu Vivek Kendra

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Ashok Chowgule has posted an 18 month old off-topic article in this
dicussion of the veil. While sanghis and VHP-ites write frequently in
Muslim oriented outlets, Muslim community leaders, including even the
editor of Milli Gazette, cannot get their letters published in
newspapers such as the Pioneer!

7/15/2009 9:50:11 AM Ashok Chowgule, Vice President, Vishwa Hindu
Paris

Ashok Chowgule

toSultan ShahinEdi...@NewAgeIslam.com

Ashok Chowgule, Vice President, Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP)

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Ashok Chowgule

With reference to the enclosed article.

Ashok Chowgule, Vive President, Vishwa Hindu Parishad

10/31/2009 1:42:21 AM

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Published on: 9/8/2007 Last Visited: 9/8/2007

Yard boss Ashok Chowgule says Indian coastal shipping is still
undeveloped and presents revenue-earning opportunities.But first,
cargo has to be generated.

Chowgule Group is widely known for its iron-ore mining activities and
bulker fleet but it is now playing a key role in the country's rise
to
prominence on the international shipbuilding scene.

Early last year, Chowgule secured contracts for six multipurpose
cargoships (Multi Purpose Cargos) from a joint venture involving
Navigia, the Dutch affiliate of Germany's Rudolf Schoning, and
Hamburg
based Apollo Shipping.

All this is a huge leap from Chowgule building inland barges for the
domestic market.Its sights are now set on constructing coastal
vessels
for the group's own use and eventually containerships and products
tankers.

Chowgule's international presence has been achieved by becoming an
associate member of the Groningen, Holland-based Conoship marketing
and design organization.

Conoship is assisting Chowgule develop its Loutulim and Rassaim yards
in the state of Goa and has put it in touch with equipment suppliers,
including hatch-cover and main engine manufacturers.It has also
organised the design house in Holland for the Multi Purpose Cargo
production drawings.

Also, Conoship helped educate Chowgule in how ships of this size are
produced in Holland.New computer numerical control (CNC) cutting
equipment was purchased from Australia based on broad specifications
outlined by Conoship.The 20 identical Multi Purpose Cargo's of 4,450
dwt have an aggregate price of around $120m based on an average of
$6m
per unit.

Ashok Chowgule, the group's shipyard division executive director,
says
the origins of the shipyard business can be traced back to the
family's iron-ore mining activities and its building and repair of
mechanized barges for hauling the ore by river to ports.

Grab and suction dredgers, deep-sea fishing trawlers, tugs, hopper
barges and coastal ships have all been produced over the years - more
than 100 so far in total.But Ashok Chowgule says that for a long time
it remained a relatively small production, partly because of India's
environmental regulations preventing the establishment of large
private-sector shipyards.When circumstances changed in the 1990s,
Chowgule started investing and within the space of 18 months built
around 23 inland barges totaling roughly 55,000 dwt.

Infrastructure improvements have in recent years included upgrading
Rassaim from repair to newbuildings, concreting areas of the yards
and
currently converting workshops for fabrication usage.Also, new
covered
areas are manufacturing hatch covers designed by Roden Staal, which
will also be present to supervise final construction and fitting.

Currently, the Chowgule yards employ around 45 people in
administration, accounts, commercial and technical roles, while
around
500 to 600 workers are subcontracted in depending on requirements.

"We have invested in getting them trained for the requirements of a
modern yard," insisted Ashok Chowgule.He claims that as regards
steelwork, standards are already 99% of those found inEurope.The
quality of machinery installation is less clear, although still
"good"
with the help of sup- pliers.

Much depends on improving management skills and giving them the
"right
tools to do the job" adds Chowgule.

There are no European managers employed at the yards but overseas
consultants are used regularly.

Ashok Chowgule concedes that India has benefited from the general
overspill of work from full yards in China.One obvious advantage,
however, is labour costs being a fraction of competitors in the West.

Typical yard pay is about EUR 0.50 ($0.60) per hour, as compared with
EUR 20 in Holland.

Conoship introduced owners to Goa, where Ashok Chowgule says it did
not take long to convince them of its potential.The initial contact
with Conoship took a long time but it did not take long to persuade
them to work together. . Holland was targeted as a partner because of
its excellent track record in building smaller cargoships.

The shipyard chief hopes that within the next few months, when
Chowgule is scheduled to deliver the first Multi Purpose Cargos, it
can prove it has fast-tracked in achieving European levels of
workmanship.

Its 20-strong series of Multi Purpose Cargos is scheduled for
completion between January 2007 and December 2009.Ashok Chowgule
believes that because of investments in the yards, the last may even
be a few months early.
...
Yards in the global market as reliable suppliers of cargoships of up
to 6,000 dwt, says Ashok Chowgule.They will focus on building
containerships and possibly products tankers once the Multi Purpose
Cargos are delivered.

"At the moment we aren't actively in those markets because we want to
concentrate our energies in making the yards efficiently" he said.

We have introduced many new things and know it will take a lot of
effort and a certain amount of time.

He estimates the Multi Purpose Cargos are costing between 5% and 7%
below European prices.

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Objective Condition/Matter is the primary source for the idea, It can
lead Buddha to go to jungle in search for Nirvana, conditions could
lead a small time thief Ajmal Kassab to come to India along with his
compatriots on a so-called Jihad mission and kill innocent civilians,
Conditions is the First and foremost factor that it can give a super
constitutional authority to Mr Chowgule to put to test any Muslim
citizen in India for trustworthiness, religious beliefs etc.

Instead of welcoming this great moment and great efforts on the part
of two dignitaries, who are an authority in their respective field,
Mr. Chowgule has targeted the integrity of Malauna, who really don't
need any certificate from anyone, including Sang Parivar and its
progenies to prove his credentials.

If Ajma Kassab and Ashok Chowgule are the faces of same coin, so
please don't be surprised if you may come to know, Afghan Jihadi-Anti
War Forces are two sides of the same coin.

Ashok Chowgule, Vice-President, VHP

From: Ashok Chowgule
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Ashok Chowgule, Vice-President, Vishwa Hindu Parishad

9/30/2009 5:43:48 AM

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The Ram Janmabhoomi issue has revolutionised the politics of the
country.A fragmented Hindu samaj has been united to an extent unheard
of in recent times.

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Yard boss Ashok Chowgule says Indian coastal shipping is still
undeveloped and presents revenue-earning opportunities.
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Ashok Chowgule: in shipbuilding for the long haul.

Ashok Chowgule

The industrial and shipping group was started by Chowgule & Co
executive director Ashok Chowgule's grandfather with a small
manufacturing business.

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Ashok Chowgule, President of Maharashtra State unit of the Vishwa
Hindu Parishad in his book Christianity in India - The Hindutva
Perspective has narrated the acts of atrocities by the Catholic
Church
on the Hindus.

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But there is also, mostly in the BJP, a strong no-nonsense wing of
businessmen, more or less the old (pro-Western, anti-socialist)
Swatantra Party constituency, which has no patience with such
sentimentalism, and refuses to "turn India into a conservation site".
116 Thus, the VHP president for the Mumbai region, Ashok Chowgule,
owned (until 1998, when he sold it) a company which furnished cement
to the Narmada Dam.

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At the time, the President of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP),
Maharashtra Pranth, Ashok Chowgule commented as follows:

To this, Ashok Chowgule responded as follows:

[107] This section draws extensively from "An analysis of the
report :
'The Foreign Exchange of Hate - IDRF and the American funding of
Hindutva' " prepared by Ashok Chowgule in association with Hindu
Vivek

Kendra (<a href="http://www.hvk.org">http://www.hvk.org</a>)

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Ashok Chowgule is an industrialist, managing sections of the family
business, a well-known, successful, and respected business house. The
group is headquartered in Goa. The family has set up schools and a
college in Goa, operations in which Ashok takes keen interest.

Ashok completed his schooling in Belgaum, India after which he went
on
to graduate in Economics and Statistics from Bristol University in
the
U. K., and completed his business studies at the Case Western
University in Cleveland, Ohio. Upon returning home, he has looked
after the finance and administration of the business group, and
lately
has been supervising the shipbuilding component of the family
business.

As a part of his social responsibilities, he has been actively
involved in the Vishwa Hindu Parishad since 1991, and at present is
the President of the Maharashtra State unit of the organisation. He
has written several articles and books on the socio-political issues
of Hindutva. Ashok and Hindu Vivek Kendra (HVK) have also recently
published an analysis and of the Sabrang/FOIL Report titled "An
Analysis Of The Report 'The Foreign Exchange Of Hate."

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By Ashok Chowgule

(Ashok Chowgule, President, Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Maharashtra).

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But VHP's Ashok Chowgule said in an interview: "We deny all the
allegations.

But Ashok Chowgule, a senior member of the VHP (World Council of
Hindu
Churches), a prominent affiliate of the RSS, said: "We deny all of
the
allegations.

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Ashok Chowgule, president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Maharashtra
region, counters in an email statement that 'if this provocation
argument has to be accepted, then we have to accept that the
terrorist
attacks of September 11 on the USA was entirely justified because the
terrorists have said that they have been provoked by the policy of
the
USA'.

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Ashok Chowgule asho...@chowgulegoa.com

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Mr. Ashok V. Chowgule Director Chowgule & Co.Ltd.Bakhtawar 4th Floor,
Nariman Point MUMBAI - 400 021

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BANGALORE INITIATIVE FOR RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE (BIRD) & THE CAREY
SOCIETY
(United Theological College) have jointly arranged a talk by Mr.
Ashok
Chowgule, President, Maharashtra unit of the VHP, on "The Hindu view
on Religious Conversions", followed by an interactive session, at
5.30
p.m., Thursday, 5 August 2005, at the United Theological College, 63
Millers Road.

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But VHP's Ashok Chowgule said in an interview: "We deny all the
allegations.

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But Ashok Chowgule, a senior member of the VHP (World Council of
Hindu
Churches), a prominent affiliate of the RSS, said: "We deny all of
the
allegations.

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Published on: 4/12/2006 Last Visited: 2/7/2010

Ashok Chowgule, the suave spokesman for Hindutva gave us a hint of
the
post script even as IDRF kept insisting carefully that it has no
connections with the RSS.

Ultimately, did Ashok Chowgule, Vinod prakash, Narayanan Komerath,
Ramesh Rao Yvette Rosser and Belu Mehra and lesser planets,
asteroirds
and others who pulled their weight behind the 200 page report support
the emergence of an ugly world ? Legally no.

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Published on: 3/3/2002 Last Visited: 3/3/2002

For a man who almost brought Mumbai to a halt on March 1, Ashok
Chowgule, president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), Mahrashtra is
a picture of peace.Seated in his high-rise apartment at Peddar Road,
which is painted white and has huge paintings adorning the walls,
Chowgule said that the Ayodhya mission is not the culmination of
failed talks with the Muslims but with so-called secularists.

At what point did the dialogue with the Muslim leadership fail?Why
such haste in the plans?It is not failed talks with Muslims that has
created this situation but the failure of talks with those who call
themselves secularists that has made us more steadfast in our aim.And
we had explained our plans in great details earlier.After the 100-day
maha yajna ends on March 15, we will claim what is ours at Ayodhya.

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Ashok Chowgule, the state unit president of the organisation is out
of
India, according to the organisation's activists.

VHP are expected to offer what they call 'nam smaran' pujas in
temples
like the Sanyas Ashram, Khar.The pujas involve chanting of Lord
Rama's
name.

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Yard boss Ashok Chowgule says Indian coastal shipping is still
undeveloped and presents revenue-earning opportunities.

Ashok Chowgule: in shipbuilding for the long haul.

Ashok Chowgule

The industrial and shipping group was started by Chowgule & Co
executive director Ashok Chowgule's grandfather with a small
manufacturing business. ...

Involved in the business are the Chowgule brothers, Ashok and group
chief executive Vijay, and their first cousins. Ashok and Vijay's
father is now 91 years old but is described as being "still not
exactly retired".

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All vessels are of 4450 DWT capacity which will be delivered in next
three years," Chowgule and Company Ltd Executive Director Ashok V
Chowgule said.

With this new orders, Chowgule's shipbuilding division is marking
change in its profile by building cargo ships, he said.At present,
the
company is focussing on iron ore barges, passenger vessels, deep sea
refrigerated fishing trawlers, grab and cutter suction dredgers,
tugs,
twin hull catamarans and floating restaurants.

"The shipyard will not be accepting any fresh orders as the capacity
is full.It is planning to upgrade its capacity to construct 8 vessels
against existing capacity of three years per year," he said.

Chowgule said the company would invest Rs 40 crore to upgrade the
existing facilities by inducting advanced machines.

"It has already invested Rs 10 crore and has installed CNC Plasma
cutting machine which can cut steel plates of 12 metres," he said.

The shipyard, located at Loutulim (Goa), has a good water front, two
construction bays, full fledged workshop, outfitting jetty and
sufficient skid for pre-fabrication facility.

Commenting on the possibilities of acquiring minor shipbuilding
facilities, Chowgule said that the company is now more focussing on
organic growth and would concentrate on ensuring quality of
construction and punctuality in deliveries.

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I discovered that the person was Mr. Ashok Chowgule, the President of
the VHP in Maharashtra and Goa.He obviously felt that I needed to
know
more about the plight of the Hindu pandits in Kashmir who had been
mercilessly driven out of their homeland to languish in camps across
Jammu and Delhi.

I am grateful to Mr. Ashok Chowgule for sending me the book first and
then the film narrating the tales of terror and horror amongst the
survivors who are living in makeshift tents for the last twelve years
with nowhere to go in their own country and no one to listen to their
tales of horror and anguish.

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Says Ashok Chowgule, spokesperson of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad,
Mumbai, "Conversion is an attack on the Hindu ethos."Ask Immanuel
Kingsley of the Pentecostal group, House of Prayer, and he will tell
you with terrifying certainty, "We are not intolerant but we love
people and want to take them to Jesus so they will not perish in
hell."

Fundamentalist political parties such as the Shiv Sena are
challenging
all forms of freedom of expression.

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Published on: 3/6/2003 Last Visited: 3/6/2003

Ashok V Chowgule Ashok Chowgule is an industrialist and the Executive
Director of Chowgule and Company Limited.With degrees in engineering
and business management from England and the United States of
America,
he has been Managing Director, Narmada Cement, the country's first
large private sector cement plant, until recently a Chowgule group
company.He has been instrumental in achieving a sustained growth for
the group over the past few decades.A keen student of Indian culture,
he is the president of the Maharashtra and Goa Pranth of the Vishva
Hindu Parishad.

Nanik Rupani The Chairman of Priyadarshni Academy, Nanik Rupani is a
self-made, first-generation entrepreneur with interests in industries
as diverse as telecommunications, information technology, electronics
and finance.A humanist and a patron of Indian art and culture, he has
been instrumental in promoting and encouraging several deserving
organisations, programmes and individuals aimed at bettering the
human
condition as well as art and culture.The Academy recognises persons
who have contributed exceptionally to society and presents awards
every year.He is a director on the board of many leading institutions
and companies and a philanthropist.

Jayraj Salgaokar Publisher and Managing Director of Sumangal
Publishing that brings out India's largest selling publication,
Kalnirnay, Jayraj Salgaokar has played a key role in making his brand
a household name not just in India but in Indian homes across the
world.Kalnirnay today is as successful a product as it is an
advertising vehicle.He reads widely on Indian culture and is a
connoisseur of performing art and Marathi literature.He writes and
lectures on mass communication, printing technology and management at
institutions and universities.

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Freeindiamedia.com, Express your impartial, radical,... - [Cached
Version]

Published on: 9/29/2003 Last Visited: 5/28/2006

In the words of the President of Maharashtra VHP, Ashok Chowgule,
"The
Ram Janmabhoomi issue has revolutionised the politics of the country.

GOANEWS - BY SANDESH PRABHUDESAI - [Cached Version]

Published on: 10/11/2000 Last Visited: 8/21/2003

"The final decision would be taken at the Dharm Sansad, based on a
concrete proposal which would be discussed at the Goa meeting",
informed Ashok Chowgule, the VHP president for Goa and Maharashtra,
who is also a leading mine owner here.

In fact Goa's all the three leading industrial houses have come
together to organise the meeting at Ramnathi temple with Shivanand
Salgaoncar heading the reception committee while Shrinivas Dempo
heading the organising committee.

As half of the ongoing work of carving of pillars for the Ram temple
at Ayodhya and Rajasthan would be completed by next year, Chowgule
says the process to decide about the construction date should also
begin.

"It cannot be at any other place than where the Babri masjid was
situated", he asserts, adding that seeking permission of the central
government to begin the construction work would also be one of the
main issues to be discussed at the Ramnathi meeting.

Stating that the VHP has its own agenda than the Bharatiya Janata
Party, Chowgule also informed that the Bajrang Dal and Durga Vahini
would not be involved in the meeting officially but only its
activists.
...
Equally topping the agenda of the meeting is the issue of religious
conversions allegedly carried out by the Roman Catholic Church and
alleged terrorist activities at the behest of the Baptist churches in
the North Eastern region, informs Chowgule.

The meeting, he said, would also discuss the threat caused to
Haridwar
and Ganga due to the Tehri dam and a grand ceremony to be organised
next year on the occasion of completion of 50 years of the Somnath
temple.

Objecting strongly to the statement made by Pope John Paul II that
mankind can get salvation only through Jesus Christ, Chowgule also
demanded a reaction from the Indian church whether they have a
different viewpoint on it.

Justifying the demand made by the RSS for a swadeshi church, he also
reiterated the VHP stand that Hinduism is the real nationalism in
India and those who believe in Hindu civilisation can only be called
the nationalists."I am not saying that Indian Christians are anti-
nationals", he added.

Expressing fear over Pope's call to dedicate the new millennium to
convert whole Asia into Christianity, he said the margadarshak mandal
would deliberate upon how to counter the threat of religious
conversions and save Hinduism in the Asian region.

Goan Voice UK: Newsletter. Issue 2006-46. Nov. 16, 2006 - [Cached
Version]

Published on: 11/16/2006 Last Visited: 2/7/2010

Goa's Chowgule Group is mulling an entry into building ships for
overseas markets, Ashok Chowgule, the group's shipyard-division
executive director revealed during a visit this week to London. They
are currently building ships at their Loutolim and Rassaim yards in
the state of Goa

ITI-GOA-photogallery - [Cached Version]

Published on: 2/11/2006 Last Visited: 11/6/2009

Chowgule seen 'inking' the M.O.A.

State Director & Shri. Ashok Chowgule, Exec. Dir., M/s. Chowgule
Shipyard Pvt. Ltd., Vasco exchanging the M.O.A. documents State
Director giving a listening ear to our Hon'Minister, Shri.

Iraq\'s maritime industry expects boost with Gulf... - [Cached
Version]

Published on: 11/6/2004 Last Visited: 4/10/2006

Ashok Chowgule, chairman and managing director of Chowgule and Co. in
India, as a Gulf Maritime participant, agreed.

?We specialize in building barges and other carriers for many years
in
India.Gulf Maritime, we are confident, will give us the opportunity
to
tap the increased demand for the same in this region,?Chowgule said.

MiddleEastEvents.com - The rebuilding of Iraq to fuel... - [Cached
Version]

Published on: 9/11/2003 Last Visited: 9/5/2006

Mr. Ashok Chowgule, Chairman and Managing Director of Chowgule and
Co.
from India, a participant at Gulf Maritime readily confirms this
trend.

Navhind Times on the Web: Openspace - [Cached Version]
Published on: 8/30/2003 Last Visited: 9/4/2003
The President of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (Goa and Maharashtra) Ashok
Chowgule asks in an interview with Umesh Mahambre why no Christian
organisations are protesting when the churches in UK and US disallow
yoga classes inside their premisesThe VHP welcomed the Tamil Nadu
legislation banning religious conversions, saying it should be
adopted
by all states.Isn't it an anti-constitutional demand?

‘RSS-VHP Serve Their Political Agenda'

The activities of Graham Staines - Christian Aggression - [Cached
Version]

Published on: 10/30/2003 Last Visited: 4/1/2008

Ashok Chowgule

The zealots who would inherit - [Cached Version]

Published on: 2/16/1999 Last Visited: 5/1/2002

From: Ashok ChowgulePresident,

Vishva Hindu Parishad - [Cached Version]

Published on: 2/5/2002 Last Visited: 6/29/2006

SECULARIST ANGST - ASHOK CHOWGULEVishva Hindu Parishad

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nude police -- nude police - [Cached Version]

Published on: 1/12/2001 Last Visited: 7/2/2006

NEWS : Police question Husain over nude painting Posted By Ashok V
Chowgule (asho...@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in) Sat, 18 Jan 97 22:30:33 EST

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‘I want what is mine’ - [Cached Version]

Published on: 7/27/2001 Last Visited: 4/14/2002

‘I want what is mine' Ashok Chowgule, explains the logic behind the
VHP's agenda

For a man who almost brought Mumbai to a halt on March 1, Ashok
Chowgule, Maharashtra president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP),
is
a picture of peace.Seated in his high-rise apartment at Peddar Road,
which is painted white and has huge paintings adorning the walls,
Chowgule said that the Ayodhya mission is not the culmination of
failed talks with the Muslims but with so-called secularists.

At what point did the dialogue with the Muslim leadership fail?Why
such haste in the plans?

It is not failed talks with Muslims that has created this situation
but the failure of talks with those who call themselves secularists
that has made us more steadfast in our aim.And we had explained our
plans in great detail earlier.After the 100-day maha yagna ends on
March 15, we will claim what is ours at Ayodhya.

‘I’m happy organisers had sense’ - [Cached Version]

Published on: 2/19/2007 Last Visited: 2/19/2007

When contacted, VHP president Ashok Chougule said, "I am happy the
organisers had some sense in them."

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Former priest to be extradited to Texas to face sex-abuse charges

By George Diepenbrock
KTKA 49
Tuesday, September 14, 2010

Lawrence, KS - A former Catholic priest wanted on sex crime charges
in Texas waived his right to fight extradition Tuesday morning in
Douglas County District Court.

John M. Fiala, 51, told District Judge Peggy Kittel he wanted to
speed up the process.

"I'd be willing to sign the papers to get the process moving
forward," Fiala said.

Fiala is wanted by authorities in Edwards County, Texas, on four
counts of sex crimes against children, according to the U.S.
Marshal's Office. Federal and local authorities arrested him more
than a week ago in the 800 block of East 11th Street.

Fiala was removed from the priesthood in 2008 after the allegations
in Texas surfaced.

According to news reports, Fiala had several priest assignments,
including in Shawnee in 2001 followed by several months in Holton. He
also worked as spiritual director from 1998 to 2001 at a religious
order that had a house in the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Mo.
No reports have detailed any sexual abuse allegations against Fiala
while he was in Kansas or Missouri.

During an earlier court appearance, Fiala said he thought that the
Texas case had been dropped and that he wasn't trying to run from
authorities. He could have fought extradition and forced Texas
authorities to seek a governor's warrant.

Kittel told Fiala he likely would be moved to Texas in the next two
weeks.

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‘Muslims and Hindus seem to be tired about the verdict’

Last updated on: September 18, 2010 01:47 IST

Tags: Muslim, Muslims, Babri, Supreme Court, Bharatiya Janta Party

An unprecedented national churning has begun days before the crucial
Ayodhya verdict, says a political leader, associated with many
institutions in the Muslim community.

But he says, “Muslims and Hindus seem to be tired. It seems very
different from 1992. Now, people want to move ahead. Nobody wants
riots!”

The urgency to understand and decode the possible impact of Ayodhya
verdict is so high that the Bharatiya Janta Party and many Muslim
organisations are not even participating in public debates. They want
to play it safe by not inciting anybody before the verdict and they
want to ensure that their all options are kept open after the highly
anticipated judgment.

Meanwhile, political parties are calculating possible gains and losses
after the verdict on the basis of national mood.

According to many experts, if the verdict goes in favour of Muslims,
then the Congress would gain, provided it manages to see that defeated
side and quickly adopts the legal means to take the case to the
Supreme Court. Also, the party will have to see it that it manages to
reflect sensitivity of Hindu community.

The power of communication will be at display after the verdict.
Political gains will be gained or lost depending on how one interprets
the verdict.

Explains well-known thinker and sociologist Dipankar Gupta, “I don’t
see the same kind of intensity over Ayodhya issue. There is a new
generation who is unaware of the Babri demolition. They have no idea
of the Ram Janmabhoomi issue. Also, I see there is a spilt in the BJP
over the issue.”

Gupta thinks that the country has changed and the Vishwa Hindu
Parishad and extreme Hindutva forces need an honourable exit from the
complex Ayodhya issue.

He said, “It will be a good thing if the VHP gets an honourable exit.
If the supporters of the Ram temple lose, then they should take the
issue to the Supreme Court. That may take another 20 years. All the
major players of 1992 will be dead or retired by that time.”

He said the state government and Centre should try and make sure that
extreme forces are given an exit route. He said, “Astha (faith) is not
a “document”. Hindus should bear in mind that the court decides only
on basis of documents.”

Expressing hope, he said, “In case Muslims win the case, they should
not celebrate it. The All India [ Images ] Muslim Personal board
should restrain any such celebrations. But, however, I can prove
wrong. Politics is not logical, always.”

The Union Cabinet has issued a statement, appealing for peace; even
hawkish television debates are announcing that neither Muslims nor
Hindus should feel dejected after the verdict because the option of
going to the Supreme Court is available to both sides.

However, as every Indian is aware, the issue is not that simple.

As senior Member of Parliament and a Muslim leader explained to
rediff.com, “I am hopeful that verdict will go long way in celebrating
Indian democracy. But, if the judgment is a mixed or ambiguous then
what are our options? Our community leaders are going through the same
court proceedings again and again.”

He added, “We believe the plot where Babri mosque stood is called
“Sita ki rasoi”. If that part is not cleared in favour of Muslims,
while upholding rights of Muslims over the three demolished domes,
then that will be a beginning of a new debate.”

Waris Mazhari, editor of Urdu magazine Tarjuman-e- Dar-ul-Uloom told
rediff.com, ‘Many Muslim leaders are worried about Ram Lalla’s make-
shift temple. Even if the verdict comes in our favour, what about the
temporary temple? We want the court to settle the issue clearly. Who
will remove it if the title suit favours Muslims?”

The delicate position of all sides is so visible but, Mazahari says,
“This time, I don’t see any excitement. There is a silence on both
sides. Hindus and Muslims are treading carefully. I have not got any
letters from readers about it. I would say on one side Muslims are not
tense nor eager to hear the verdict. But, in case, if Muslims lose the
case then, they will surely get upset. They will make noises. If they
win the case they will celebrate and say, “Dekho , Hindustan ne insaaf
kiya!”

Mazahari adds, “We are writing that let’s have patience. Human lives
are not destroyed or made by one issue. The Babri mosque issue has
harmed the community immeasurably. We want it buried deep. But, then,
we wonder even if we win how will you remove Ram Lalla from the site?
Who will do it?”

Sheela Bhatt in New Delhi

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Delhi Car Bombing

Jama Masjid Security Detail

Delhi Tourist Bus

Sheila Dixit

New Delhi, September 20, 2010

No RDX, detonator involved in car blast near Jama Masjid: Police
PTI

PTI A car goes up in flames near the site of the Jama Masjid shooting
incident, in New Delhi on Sunday. Delhi Police has said RDX was not
used to trigger the car blast. Related

Ammonium nitrate was used to trigger the car explosion near Jama
Masjid which took place just hours after an attack there on a vehicle
carrying foreign tourists, police said on Monday.

They said no RDX or detonator was used to carry out the explosion.

The explosion had taken place on Sunday, some 50 m away from Gate No.
3 of the Jama Masjid and near a police station just hours after two
Taiwanese nationals were shot and injured outside the mosque.

A top official said the probe into the explosion has been handed over
to the premier Special Cell of Delhi Police on Monday morning.

A case under Explosive Act has been registered in the incident.

About the firing incident, he said a case under IPC 307 and Arms Act,
has been registered and investigations are on.

Investigators have questioned about 30 people following Sunday’s
incidents of firing at the foreigners as well as the explosion.

Keywords: Jama Masjid shooting, car bomb, ammonium nitrate, RDX, Delhi
Police probe

New Delhi, September 19, 2010

Two injured as armed men attack foreign tourists in Delhi
Ashok Kumar

PTI Police officers stand guard outside the Jama Masjid in New Delhi
on Sunday. Related
PHOTOS

The incident took place about 50m away from Gate No. 3 of the Jama
Masjid and near a police station where two men had earlier in the day
fired at a visiting five-member Taiwanese media crew, injuring two of
them.

Two armed men on a motorcycle opened indiscriminate fire outside the
historic Jama Masjid in the Walled City of Delhi on Sunday morning,
injuring two Taiwanese nationals who were about to board a tourist
bus.

A red alert has been sounded as the attack comes barely two weeks
ahead of the Commonwealth Games here.

Just a few hours after the incident there was another security scare
as a Maruti 800 car went up in flames about 100 metres from the
ancient mosque.

Though an e-mail, purportedly sent by the Indian Mujahideen to a radio
station, claimed responsibility for the incident, the police have
ruled out the involvement of any organised terror group.

“Investigation so far does not indicate any specific target or the
involvement of any specific terror group. The police have recovered
seven empty 9 mm cartridges from the spot,” said Delhi Police
spokesperson Rajan Bhagat.

On the possible link between the attack and the fire in a car, Mr.
Bhagat said: “We found a pressure cooker and a circuit in the car. It
is a crude circuit. It could be the handiwork of some disgruntled
group. No explosives or inflammables were found. It may or may not be
linked to the earlier attack on the foreigners.”

The attack took place outside Gate No. 3 of the mosque, just a few
metres away from the local police station, when two men on the
motorcycle opened fire around 11.30 a.m.

An eye-witness said: “I rushed out of my house on hearing the gun
shots. I saw a pillion rider on a motorcycle firing in the direction
of the mosque. He fired a few shots in the air and then trained his
weapon on a group of foreigners standing near a bus. A rickshaw-puller
hurled stones at them and a constable from a nearby picket gave chase
but the motorcyclists escaped through the narrow lanes.”

The injured — Zewei (40) and Chiang (38) — were taken to the Lok Nayak
Jaya Prakash Narayan Hospital and are said to be out of danger.

Keywords: Jama Masjid firing, Taiwanese tourists, Gate No. 3, terror
attack, Commonwealth Games, Indian Mujahideen

NEW DELHI, September 19, 2010

Tourists shaken, eager to go home
Manisha Jha

The tourist bus, targetted by motorcycle-borne gunmen in New Delhi on
Sunday, at the Lok Nayak Jai Prakash hospital. The injured Taiwanese
were rushed to hospital in it. Photo: V.V.Krishnan Related

Condition of one stable but critical; the other conscious and under
observation

When a group of six tourists arrived here on Saturday, little did they
know that their plan for a vacation in the country would go horribly
wrong.

After shot at and injured near the Jama Masjid just a day after their
arrival, two of them Zewei, 40, and Chiang, 38, were undergoing
treatment for bullet wounds at the Lok Nayak Jaya Prakash Narayan
Hospital on Sunday.

While Chiang suffered a bullet injury in the abdomen and underwent a
four-hour operation, Zewei suffered a mild head injury after the
bullet grazed the side of his head. Hospital authorities said both
patients were shifted to the Intensive Care Unit.

The two were part of the six, who work for a television channel in
Taiwan. They were to leave for Jaipur on Tuesday and then visit Agra
and return here on September 27 to board a flight back to Taiwan.

Medical Superintendent Amit Bannerjee said: “Though Zewei is conscious
and stable, he is being kept under observation. Chiang’s condition
after the four-hour surgery is stable, but still critical. Certain
injuries in his abdomen were attended to as part of the surgery.”

“Both the patients were brought in by their tour operator within 10
minutes of being shot at and taken for surgery within the next 15
minutes. The joint efforts of the tour operator and of our own team of
doctors helped to ensure that their condition did not deteriorate any
further,” he said.

Soon after the patients were brought in, the hospital became a virtual
fortress with the administration barring any journalist from entering
the premises. Among the VIPs who visited the hospital were Union Home
Minister P. Chidambaram, Delhi Health Minister Kiran Walia, Shahi Imam
of the Jama Masjid Syed Ahmed Bukhari and BJP leader Vijay Goel and
All-India Anti-terrorist Front chairman M.S. Bitta.

The friends of the injured were kept in a room and allowed to move
around only with the help of escorts, and any attempt to engage them
in conversation was thwarted.

According to an official of the Embassy of Taiwan, the group of
tourists accompanying the injured on the bus were “very shaken and
eager to return home, to safety, as soon as possible.”

“They arrived in Delhi on Saturday, and Sunday was their first day of
outing in the city. They had come with their group of colleagues and
friends and planned a week-long itinerary here in India, including a
visit to the Taj Mahal. However, owing to this unfortunate incident,
they would be cutting short their tour and returning as soon as
possible. They are very nervous and scared owing to the psychological
effect of this incident. Naturally no one would be in a mood to enjoy
and have fun after such a shocking incident…,” he said.

Keywords: Jama Masjid firing, Taiwanese tourists, Gate No. 3, terror
attack, Commonwealth Games, Indian Mujahideen

New Delhi, September 20, 2010

CGF concerned about shooting incident
PTI

The Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) is concerned about the attack
on a tourist bus here just 13 days before the Commonwealth Games (CWG)
but said there is no evidence to suggest that the incident is linked
to the sporting extravaganza.

Two Taiwanese tourists were injured when a couple of bike-borne
assailants opened fire on a tourist bus near the historic Jama Masjid.

CGF Chief Executive Officer Mike Hooper said while there is no
evidence as yet to show that the attack was linked to the Games, it is
still a matter of concern.

“The matter is ongoing. There is no evidence at this point of time
that it is related to Commonwealth Games. Any attack that happens is a
concern whether it happens here in Delhi or any other part of India or
anywhere else,” Mr. Hooper told reporters.

“Clearly as we consistently said whenever an incident happens, it’s
appropriate that authorities investigate it.

It’s a concern if such incident happens. Of course, it is a concern
for anybody whether it’s around the Games time or not,” he added.

The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs has already issued a
travel advisory, saying there is high risk of a terror strike during
the Games in New Delhi.

The Games’ build-up has already been marred by construction delays and
corruption allegations.

Keywords: 2010 CWG, Mike Hooper, Delhi shooting incident

Mumbai, September 19, 2010

Jama Masjid firing: Mumbai on high alert
PTI

Following the firing incident near the historic Jama Masjid in Delhi
on Sunday afternoon, the city has been put on high alert, police
said.

“After the Delhi incident, even Mumbai has been put on high alert. All
policemen have been asked to remain alert and increase searches,” city
Commissioner of Police Sanjeev Dayal told PTI.

Two men on a motorbike fired several rounds on a tourist vehicle near
Jama Masjid in Delhi, injuring two Taiwanese nationals.

A red alert has been sounded across the capital after the incident.

Mumbai has been on high alert following reports of presence of two
alleged terrorists in the city during the Ganesh Chaturthi festival.

Keywords: Jama Masjid firing, security alert

New Delhi, September 19, 2010

Chidambaram visits victims in hospital
Staff Reporter

PTI Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit has said that after the incident
police will “now step up the security measures and will be more
vigilant”. Related

Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram visited the Lok Nayak Jaya Prakash
Narayan Hospital on Sunday afternoon to enquire about the condition of
the two Taiwanese tourists who were injured in a shooting near the
Jama Masjid.

Mr. Chidambaram was briefed about the condition of the patients by the
doctors. He, however, did not speak to journalists.

The Home Ministry is closely monitoring the investigation and has
sought a report from the Delhi police.

Don’t panic: Sheila

Earlier in the day, Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit appealed to
the people not to panic. “An incident like this is something worrying
but nothing to panic about.”

Ms. Dikshit said she was in touch with the Police Commissioner.

“The police are investigating the incident, and the culprits will be
caught.”

Asked whether it was a security scare ahead of the Commonwealth Games,
she said many security measures had already been taken, but wherever
there was inadequacy the holes would be plugged.

New Delhi, September 19, 2010

Jama Masjid shooting: OC allays Games security fears
PTI

The Commonwealth Games Organising Committee on Sunday said the
shooting incident here this morning will not have any impact on the
Games next month and assured that India would provide foolproof
security to the visiting athletes and officials.

“The shooting incident this morning in Delhi will have no impact on
the Commonwealth Games 2010 Delhi,” the Organising Committee said in a
statement.

Two Taiwanese nationals were injured when two men on a motorcycle
fired several rounds on a tourist vehicle near the historic Jama
Masjid in the walled city.

CWG OC spokesman Lalit Bhanot said the country’s security
establishment has made elaborate arrangements to ensure safe Games for
all the participants and officials.

“The Ministry of Home Affairs and Delhi Police have made elaborate
arrangements to provide the Commonwealth Games athletes and officials
a safe and secure environment,” Mr. Bhanot said in the statement.

“The Commonwealth Games Associations of the nations and territories
have been satisfied with the plans and preparations made by Delhi
Police and the International Security Liaison Group, formed by the
Ministry of Home Affairs,” he said.

Keywords: Jama Masjid shooting, Commonwealth Games 2010, Organising
Committee

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New online Google tool shows where services blocked
By Chris Lefkow (AFP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — Google released a new online tool on Tuesday that shows
where the Internet giant’s services and products such as YouTube are
being blocked around the world.

“We believe that this kind of transparency can be a deterrent to
censorship,” David Drummond, Google’s chief legal officer, said.

“When Google’s services are blocked or filtered, we can’t serve our
users effectively,” Drummond said in a blog post. “That’s why we act
every day to maximize free expression and access to information.”

He said the new tool, which is called “Transparency Report” and
located at google.com/transparencyreport, will “allow people to see
where governments are demanding that we remove content and where
Google services are being blocked.”

Drummond said it will help show whether traffic disruptions in
services and products such as Google Search, Google Earth, Google
Maps, Google News and YouTube “are related to mechanical outages or
are government-induced.”

“By showing outages, the traffic graphs visualize disruptions in the
free flow of information, whether it’s a government blocking
information or a cable being cut,” he said.

The Transparency Report shows that YouTube has been blocked in Iran,
for example, since June 12, 2009 following the country’s disputed
presidential election.

Google already maintains such a tool for its services and products in
China, which has blocked YouTube since March 2009 and criticized the
Mountain View, California-based company over its refusal to censor Web
search results.

Drummond said the separate tool, the “Mainland China service
availability chart,” is being shut down and China will now be
integrated into the list of countries whose traffic is being monitored
using the Transparency Report.

Google on Tuesday also updated another online tool, “Government
Requests,” that shows how often governments around the world ask the
search giant for information about users or ask that it take down or
censor content.

In launching the interactive online map in April, Google said it would
be updated in six-month increments.

The latest period covers January-June 2010 and now includes figures on
the percentage of demands that Google has complied with — if not
details of the actual requests.

The United States, for example, tops the list with 4,287 requests for
data and 128 removal requests. Google said 82.8 percent of the removal
requests had been “fully or partially complied with.”

There were 2,435 data requests from Brazil and 398 removal requests,
67.6 percent of which were fully or partially complied with. Google
said most had to do with the Google-owned social network Orkut, which
is popular in Brazil.

India was next with 1,430 data requests and 30 removal requests, 53.3
percent of which were fully or partially complied with.

Google also noted that China is not listed among the countries on the
Government Requests page.

“Chinese officials consider censorship demands as state secrets, so we
cannot disclose that information at this time,” Google said.

Transparency Report

Transparency is a core value at Google. As a company we feel it is our
responsibility to ensure that we maximize transparency around the flow
of information related to our tools and services. We believe that more
information means more choice, more freedom and ultimately more power
for the individual.

We’ve created an interactive map of Government Requests that shows the
number of government inquiries for information about users and
requests for Google to take down or censor content. We hope this step
toward greater transparency will help in ongoing discussions about the
appropriate scope and authority of government requests.

Our interactive Traffic graphs provide information about traffic to
Google services around the world. Each graph shows historic traffic
patterns for a given country/region and service. By illustrating
outages, this tool visualizes disruptions in the free flow of
information, whether it’s a government blocking information or a cable
being cut. We hope this raw data will help facilitate studies about
service outages and disruptions.

Transparency Report: Government Requests

Like other technology and communications companies, we regularly
receive requests from government agencies around the world to remove
content from our services, or provide information about users of our
services and products. This map shows the number of requests that we
received in six-month blocks with certain limitations.

We’re still learning the best way to collect and present this
information. We’ll continue to improve this tool and fine-tune the
types of data we display.

http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/

Transparency Report: Government Requests

http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/

We’re still learning the best way to collect and present this
information. We’ll continue to improve this tool and fine-tune the
types of data we display.

Country Data Removal
Argentina 98 42
Armenia <10
Australia 155 17
Austria <10
Belgium 67 <10
Brazil 3663 291
Cambodia <10
Canada 41 16
Chile 110
China ?
Colombia <10
Estonia <10
Finland <10
France 846 <10
Germany 458 188
India 1061 142
Indonesia <10
Ireland <10
Israel 30 <10
Italy 550 57
Japan 44 <10
Liechtenstein <10
Lithuania <10
Macedonia [FYROM] <10
Malaysia <10
Malta <10
Mexico <10
Netherlands 67 <10
New Zealand <10
Norway <10
Pakistan <10
Peru <10
Poland 86
Portugal 45
Russia <10
Singapore 62 <10
Slovenia <10
South Korea 44 64
Spain 324 32
Sweden <10
Switzerland 42 <10
Taiwan <10
Thailand <10
Turkey <10
United Kingdom 1166 59
United States 3580 123

◄ July 2009 to December 2009

Country Data Removal

Argentina 134 12
Australia 200 14
Austria 2
Belgium 71 <10
Brazil 2435 398
Canada <10
Chile 115
China ?
Cyprus <10
France 1017 25
Germany 668 124
Greece <10
Hong Kong 50 <10
India 1430 30
Israel 30 4
Italy 651 69
Japan 56 7
Kazakhstan <10
Libya 149
Macedonia [FYROM] <10

[FYROM] <10
Malta <10
Mexico <10
Netherlands <10
New Zealand <10
Norway <10
Portugal 73 <10
Puerto Rico <10
Russia <10
Singapore 106
Solomon Islands <10
Singapore 106
Solomon Islands <10
South Korea 170 38
Spain 372 16
Sweden <10
Switzerland 35 5
Taiwan 130 11
Turkey 51 5
United Kingdom 1343 48
United States 4287 128

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September 27, 2010, 5:10 pm

Soldier Describes Murder of Afghan for Sport in Leaked Tape

By ROBERT MACKEY

A leaked interrogation tape broadcast by ABC News on Monday.Updated |
6:41 p.m. On Monday, at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in western
Washington, Specialist Jeremy N. Morlock, one of five American
soldiers accused by Army investigators of taking part in the murders
of three Afghan civilians this year, appeared at a hearing to
determine the formal charges against him.

Specialist Morlock was accused by the Army of taking part in all three
killings during his deployment in Afghanistan’s Kandahar province, as
The Lede noted in a prior post on the killings. Other soldiers in the
unit told investigators that the accused ringleader, Staff Sgt. Calvin
Gibbs, collected fingers and other body parts from Afghan corpses
after the killings and said that he had gotten away with similar
killings in Iraq.

As Reuters reported:

Morlock, from Wasilla, Alaska, is the first to be brought before a
military court for a so-called Article 32 hearing, in which
prosecutors and defense lawyers present evidence to an investigating
officer who will determine whether the defendant should be formally
tried in a court-martial.

If found guilty of all the charges against him, Morlock, could face
the death penalty.

The news agency added, “Four of the soldiers have been charged with
keeping body parts, including finger bones, a skull, leg bones and a
human tooth.”

Before Monday’s hearing, ABC News broadcast what the network said was
a portion of a leaked interrogation tape of Specialist Morlock
describing one killing to Army investigators.

United States Army

Jeremy MorlockMatthew Cole and Brian Ross of ABC reported that
Specialist Morlock also said that Sergeant Gibbs carried a Russian
grenade to place next to the body of one dead Afghan to make it seem
as if he was about to attack the American soldiers.

Hal Bernton of The Seattle Times, who has been following the
investigation closely, reported on Monday that Specialist Morlock’s
lawyer argues that his client’s confession could not be trusted
because he was on several prescription drugs at the time. Before
Monday’s hearing began, Mr. Bernton wrote:

In May, when Morlock was questioned about alleged war crimes, his
prescription drugs included two antidepressants, one potent muscle
relaxer, two sleep medications and a pain reliever infused with
codeine, according to a list provided by his defense attorney.

In two interviews with investigators, the 22-year-old Alaskan made a
series of stunning allegations that implicated him and four other
soldiers in what Army prosecutors assert were premeditated plans to
murder three Afghan civilians.

These statements now form a central part of the Army’s case against
the five soldiers.

In a hearing scheduled for Monday at Joint Base Lewis-McChord,
Morlock’s civilian defense attorney, Michael Waddington, is expected
to argue that his client’s statements should be discounted because
they were given while Morlock was under the influence of some of these
drugs.

“We pulled at least 10 prescriptions out of his bag. They were giving
these out like candy,” Waddington said. “His memory of events is very
foggy.” Other lawyers who have reviewed the statements, one of which
was on videotape, said Morlock sometimes sounded confused and the
information he provided was sometimes contradictory.

Last week, my colleague William Yardley reported that a senior defense
counsel at Lewis-McChord said in an e-mail that the military had
photographs taken by the men, showing some of them posing with the
corpses of the three Afghans they had killed, “as a kind of morbid
sport.”

On Monday, CNN also broadcast a report featuring portions of
Specialist Morlock’s interrogation, and part of another soldier’s
description of what he said was frequent drug use by the soldiers in
the unit charged with the killings.

As The Lede explained earlier this month, the soldiers accused of
murder have claimed that they are innocent and intend to fight the
charges.

In addition to the five soldiers accused in the killings, seven others
members of the brigade have been accused of other crimes, including
drug use and trying to impede the Army’s investigation.

Nicholas Riccardi of The Los Angeles Times reported from the base, “Of
the 18 witnesses listed for Monday’s hearing, 14 invoked their 5th
amendment right against self-incrimination to avoid testifying,
including the lieutenant of the platoon.”

On Monday, The Associated Press reported:

The case raised serious questions about the Army’s handling of it.
Specialist Adam Winfield, who is charged in the final killing, sent
troubling Facebook messages home to his parents in Florida after the
first killing. He wrote that he was being threatened to keep his mouth
shut about it and that he didn’t know what to do.

His father made nearly half a dozen calls to military officials that
day, and he said he warned them about the ongoing plot and the threats
against his son.

Also on Monday, the BBC reported:

Three Australian former special forces soldiers have been charged over
an operation in Afghanistan in which six civilians died and four were
injured.

The ex-commandos conducted a night-time raid in February 2009 on a
residential compound in Uruzgan province, where a Taliban leader was
said to be hiding. It is alleged they attacked the wrong house. Five
of the dead were children.

The charges include manslaughter and dangerous conduct.

Recently, Britain’s Channel 4 News visited Fort Hood, in Texas, to
report on how the United States Army is trying to deal with the mental
health problems caused by repeated deployments to Afghanistan and
Iraq.

85 Readers’ Comments

.1.Lowell D. Thompson
Chicago
September 27th, 2010
5:51 pm

Somebody once said the first casualty of war is truth. But according
to this story, it looks like it’s a toss up between morality and
sanity. …
Recommended by 48 Readers

.2.WillT26
Durham
September 27th, 2010
5:51 pm

The evidence is clear so the men must be found…..not guilty!
This is America and in America the more guilty you are the more likely
you are to go free. Let me think- it will probably be based on
‘inadmissable evidence’ or ‘prosecutorial misconduct’ or my favorite-
‘they only confessed because of a plea deal which allows them to walk
away.’
Ain’t justice great! Now if only they had robbed a liquor store
instead of murdering people….
Recommended by 33 Readers

.3.DC
NH
September 27th, 2010

5:52 pmUseless destruction of young American lives and psyches.
Useless destruction of Iraqi and Afghan lives. Useless war only
serving to make a few sub-humans rich. Now Petraeus says efforts have
begun to launch talks between Karzai and the Taliban. Right back where
we started, minus billions of dollars and over a million lives. George
W., Cheney and the rest of you, are you happy now, with your blood
money? Do you really rest well at night surrounded by so many ghosts
whose needless deaths rest on your shoulders? And the most amazing
thing is, we are STILL THERE. STILL THERE!
Recommended by 135 Readers

.4.Tom
Montreal
September 27th, 2010
5:52 pm

Start a war, give license to use violence and that is what you get:
clealy, some of these soldiers would perfectly fit in Saddam’s death
squads.
Every government knows the real consequences of the decision to go to
war.
So the Bush administration should be held accountable for everything
that happened.

What a disgrace…
Recommended by 107 Readers

.5.Anonymous
New York
September 27th, 2010
5:52 pm

This is beyond awful.

I apologize to the Afghans.
Recommended by 69 Readers

.6.rykart
usa
September 27th, 2010
5:52 pm

The troops are filth. That’s about the most diplomatic thing you can
say.
Recommended by 37 Readers

.7.marvinhjeglin
hemet, californa
September 27th, 2010
5:56 pm

these problems are endemic to war. butchering the enemy is what you
are trained to do. it happens, though counter productive to the
professed mission. Afghanistan and Iraq have damaged these
individuals, tens of thousands of soldiers and their families, and
bankrupted the country. Viet Nam is history, so do not pay any
attention to the fact these same problems appeared there. get out now.
use the money saved for infra structure and schools here.
Recommended by 42 Readers

.8.Pacifica
Orange County, CA
September 27th, 2010
5:57 pm

Horrible. For what it’s worth, one of the accused, Spc. Jeremy
Morlock, has associated with the Palins. Hmm, what does Sarah say
about family members “paling around” with him?

June 8th, 2010 6:21 PM
Solider accused of murder in Afghanistan crossed paths with the Palin
family
By John Cook / Yahoo! News

http://www.michaelmoore.com…

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Aryans Came From Russia, Oops, Oops, Oops
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Archaeologists say unearthed Aryan cities could rewrite history

Posted on October 5, 2010 by David Kolle

Bronze Age archaeologists say the cities being uncovered in
excavations on the Russian steppe could be the precursor of Western
civilisation.

Twenty of the spiral-shaped settlements, believed to be the original
home of the Aryan people, have been identified, and there are about 50
more suspected sites. They all lie buried in a region more than 640km
long near Russia’s border with Kazakhstan.

The cities are thought to have been built 3500-4000 years ago, soon
after the Great Pyramid in Egypt. They are about the same size as
several of the city states of ancient Greece, which started to come
into being in Crete at about the same time.

If archeologists confirm the cities as Aryan, they could be the
remnants of a civilisation that spread through Europe and much of
Asia. Their language has been identified as the precursor of modern
Indo-European tongues, including English. Words such as brother, guest
and oxen have been traced back to this prototype.

“Potentially, this could rival ancient Greece in the age of the
heroes,” said British historian Bettany Hughes, who spent much of the
northern summer exploring the region for a BBC radio program, Tracking
the Aryans.

“We are all told that there is this kind of mother tongue, proto-Indo-
European, from which all the languages we know emerge.

“I was very excited to hear on the archeological grapevine that in
exactly the period I am an expert in, this whole new Bronze Age
civilisation had been discovered on the steppe of southern Siberia.”

She described driving for seven hours into the steppe grasslands with
chief archeologist Gennady Zdanovich. “He took me to this expanse of
grass; you couldn’t tell there was anything special. Then, as he
pointed to the ground, suddenly I realised I was walking across a
buried city,” she said.

“Every now and again you suddenly notice these ghostly shapes of
fortresses and cattle sheds and homes and religious sites. I would not
have known these had he not shown them to me.”

The shape of each of the cities, which are mainly in the Chelyabinsk
district, resembles an ammonite fossil, divided into segments with a
spiral street plan. The settlements, which would each have housed
about 2000 people — the same as an ancient Greek city such as Mycenae
— are all surrounded by a ditch and have a square in the middle.

The first city, known as Arkaim, was discovered in 1989, soon after
the soviet authorities allowed non-military aerial photography for the
first time.

The full extent of the remains is only now becoming apparent. Items
that have so far been dug up include many pieces of pottery covered in
swastikas, which were widely used ancient symbols of the sun and
eternal life. The Nazis appropriated the Aryans and the swastika as
symbols of their so-called master race. Ms Hughes believes that some
of the strongest evidence that the cities could be the home of the
Aryans comes from a series of horse burials.

Several ancient Indian texts believed to have been written by Aryans
recount similar rituals. “These ancient Indian texts and hymns
describe sacrifices of horses and burials and the way the meat is cut
off and the way the horse is buried with its master,” she said. “If
you match this with the way the skeletons and the graves are being dug
up in Russia, they are a millimetre-perfect match.”

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Unearthed Aryan cities rewrite history
The Australian ^ | 04 Oct 2010 | The Sunday Times

Posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:15:28 AM by Palter

BRONZE Age cities archaeologists say could be the precursor of Western
civilisation is being uncovered in excavations on the Russian steppe.

about 2000 people -- the same as an ancient Greek city such as Mycenae
-- are all surrounded by a ditch and have a square in the middle.

The first city, known as Arkaim, was discovered in 1989, soon after
the soviet authorities allowed non-military aerial photography for the
first time.

Several ancient Indian texts believed to have been written by Aryans
recount similar rituals. "These ancient Indian texts and hymns
describe sacrifices of horses and burials and the way the meat is cut
off and the way the horse is buried with its master," she said. "If
you match this with the way the skeletons and the graves are being dug
up in Russia, they are a millimetre-perfect match."

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1 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:15:35 AM by Palter
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To: SunkenCiv
Aryan, ping.

2 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:16:01 AM by Palter (If voting
made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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"We are all told that there is this kind of mother tongue, proto-Indo-
European, from which all the languages we know emerge.

All the Indo-European languages, that is. Not Semitic (Hebrew, Arabic)
or Sino-Tibetan languages:

3 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:20:22 AM by James C. Bennett
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Of interest ping.

4 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:21:42 AM by James C. Bennett
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To: Palter
I never knew the origin of the swastika. Back in the days of these
Arayans, the swastika meant something entirely different and I’m sure
much more benign.

5 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:22:40 AM by TheThinker
(Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a
time.)
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6 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:24:27 AM by counterpunch (End
the Government Monopoly!)
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Minas Tirith!

7 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:27:15 AM by TruthConquers
(Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: James C. Bennett
One of those trunks, below the slavic languages, says “Islamic”. I am
confused.

8 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:30:01 AM by Defiant (Liberals
care more about the Koran than they did about Terri Schiavo.)
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Someone re-made the original with an error. The older one has (SLAVIC)
there, instead of 'Islamic':

9 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 3:41:51 AM by James C. Bennett
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To: Palter
That whole border region eventually became known as Scythia. The
Scythians apparently were an Iranian tribe that moved northward into
the steppes around 1,000 BC. Perhaps that was just a case of a
subtribe coming back into the ancient lands. The ancient Sarmatians
are also from this area. They began their decline with the Hun
invasions from the east.

10 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 4:10:34 AM by justa-hairyape
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bookmark

11 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 5:12:14 AM by StAnDeliver (/)
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The type of horse is the Akhal-teke. This is an ancient breed used as
a war horse - having great stamina and speed.

The breed was kept pure by Turkomen tribes who live east of the
Caspian Sea.

I have heard about these grave sites only they’ve been referred to as
“Scythians”.

12 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 5:34:40 AM by SatinDoll (NO
FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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Related information contained in this thread:
On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang

13 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 8:31:21 AM by blam
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To: Palter
But I thought science had determined there was no “cohesive” group of
“Aryan” peoples sharing a common culture/language?

Oops...guess these discoveries and the recent proving of the “Aryan
Invasion Theory” through genetics forced mainstream science to change
their stance...for the nth time.

Soft science is caught in a trap of its own making...namely, the curse
of education. It seems that the more you think you know, the less
you’re willing to admit you don’t know. Everything has to have an
elaborate theory, an explanation, no matter how small the find. The
large majority of social scientists have a hard time simply
saying...we don’t know.

14 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 10:00:49 AM by Spike Knotts
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Yeah, when 5,000 “Aryans” rode into India, killed the men and took the
women as wives...I’m sure the swastika banner they brought with them
was considered extremely benign.

You admit you don’t know the origin of a symbol (until recently), but
you’re giving lessons on what that very symbol meant to ancient
peoples, friend and foe? Ok, Professor.

15 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 10:05:47 AM by Spike Knotts
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Thank, that explains it. Hopefully that will be corrected someday, or
pretty soon, we will have jihadis claiming that they have given us our
language.

16 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 11:05:37 AM by Defiant (Liberals
care more about the Koran than they did about Terri Schiavo.)
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later

17 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 11:34:20 AM by pappyone
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Yeah, when 5,000 “Aryans” rode into India, killed the men and took the
women as wives...I’m sure the swastika banner they brought with them
was considered extremely benign.
I didn't know this either. But do are you really comparing some
ancient battle to the horror of the Holocaust? Perhaps someone needs a
lesson on perspective.

18 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 1:56:49 PM by TheThinker
(Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a
time.)
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The entire argument that there was any conflict between the Aryans who
settled India, and the natives who were pushed into the fringes of the
Indian landmass, is controversial.

No record of a violent demise of the Indus Valley Civilisation exists.
Not to mention, current evidence points to ecological factors for the
destruction of that highly-developed civilisation. No mention of war
with natives have been recorded in Hindu scriptures. Most wars
detailed are of those between Aryan kingdoms.

19 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 4:19:06 PM by James C. Bennett
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>Indus Valley Civilisation

One of the Great Historical Sadnesses attributable to “modern”
Pakistan is the virtual lack of interest in further significant
research into the subterranean layered ruins below the current sites
of Harappa, MohenjoDaro and others.

PreIslamic don’t count, don’tcha know?

They used to showcase Buddhist shrines in the NW to European tourists,
but I believe that is kaput now due to jihad.

20 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 4:27:57 PM by swarthyguy (KIDS!
Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika
is almost SmokFrei!)
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>sacrifices of horses and burials

In her fiction novel, The King Must Die, Mary Renault, a scholar of
Ancient Greece describes a horse ritual sacrifice in Greece that is
eerily similar to ancient Aryan/Vedic practices.

21 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 4:32:07 PM by swarthyguy (KIDS!
Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika
is almost SmokFrei!)
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>the swastika meant something entirely different and I’m sure much more benign.

It still does, not only in India, but also in Nepal and in the
Buddhist societies of SE Asia.

In the West, the Nazi association reigns supreme.

22 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 4:38:47 PM by swarthyguy (KIDS!
Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika
is almost SmokFrei!)
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The American “indians” also had the swastika. It is a simple enough
symmetrical design to be independently designed around the world, I’m
sure.

23 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 6:29:41 PM by TexasRepublic
(Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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24 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 7:31:59 PM by SunkenCiv
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To: TexasRepublic; SunkenCiv
It is a simple enough symmetrical design to be independently designed
around the world, I’m sure.
But if you believe in Panspermia, the process where the more people
breed the more room they need, you understand as they spread they took
their traditions with them. Worldwide. But unscrupled people always
pop up and twist these traditions into some perversion for their own
nefarious purposes. Kinda sorta like when I was a little kid and we
had Christmas. But now we have The Holiday Season. ;-)

25 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 8:09:09 PM by bigheadfred ("We
built a tower of stone. With our flesh and bone. To see him
fly ." (RIP RJD))
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Google
some past results:
•The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy
•Ancient writing found in Turkmenistan
•The Hidden History of Men
•The Hidden History Of Men (Anthropology)
•The Sand Dune Forgotten By Time (Caucasian Mummies In China - More )
•Archaeologist Says Central Asia Was Cradle Of Ancient Persian
Religion
•Archaeologist Tells Of Digs In Central Asia (Greeks)
•Russian Archaeologist Says Merv Was Origin Of Zoroastrianism
•Central Asia's Lost Civilization
•Turkmenistan: Making Bid For Cradle-OfCivilization Bid
•2,000-Year-Old Treasures Tell Wild Story (Tillya Tepe)

26 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 8:43:50 PM by SunkenCiv
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27 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 8:51:40 PM by SunkenCiv
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And btw, nice tree James, I just stole it. :') Here's one I stole from
someone else around here:

28 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 8:55:09 PM by SunkenCiv
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both of these I've reposted are width=400, the images are wider.

29 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 8:57:38 PM by SunkenCiv
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To: Palter
I have books many, many years old which trace the Celtic and Germanic
people to the Russian steppes.

Same goes for proto-Indoeuropean languages.

The term “Ayran” does not appear widely in my soures.

Iranians like to call themselves “Ayrans” to distinguish themselves
from Arabs.

Hitler and fellow travellors refered to “Ayrans.”

30 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 9:03:18 PM by truth_seeker
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31 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 9:03:19 PM by SunkenCiv
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32 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 9:06:31 PM by SunkenCiv
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33 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 9:08:55 PM by SunkenCiv
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To: Spike Knotts
“I don’t know” - the response of an honest scholar.

Great point.

34 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 9:34:08 PM by 1010RD (First Do
No Harm)
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To: swarthyguy
So Islam and communism create similar outcomes, no?

35 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 9:35:49 PM by 1010RD (First Do
No Harm)
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To: Palter

Arkaim

36 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 10:03:59 PM by concentric
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To: bigheadfred
quibble, panspermia refers to the seeding of life (or its components)
from space; the word you’re looking for is probably diffusion.

37 posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 10:05:23 PM by SunkenCiv
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To: Palter
bump

38 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:33:58 AM by Smokin' Joe (How
often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is
doing.)
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To: Spike Knotts; TheThinker; James C. Bennett
Actually there is no evidence for any Aryan Invasion. The Indus valley
civilisation (of Caucasian Dravidians), died out probably due to
environmental reasons at the same time the Minoan civilisation and the
Hittite civilisations collapsed. There are no mass burial sites and
the cities are not destroyed, just abandoned. The Swastika has always
been a symbol of continuity just like the Chakra -- the Nazis only
made it into a war symbol.

A closer reading of the Vedas sees that the war against the Dasyus
seem more to be a war between Indics (who raised Devas over Asuras in
their pantheon) and Iranics (who raised Ahuras like Ahura Mazda over
Daevas in THEIR pantheon). The Ramayana could be interpreted as an
ARyanic-Dravidian war in Ceylon, but the Tamils were never in Ceylon
until British times, they concentrating more on their Empires in
Indonesia (the Srivijaya Empire etc).

39 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:52:36 AM by Cronos (This
Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-
St.Augustine)
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Pakistanis are basically delusional. They now try to insist that they
are not Indian at all but the descendents of Arabs who came to India —
the Arabs of course laugh at this and at them. They also, quite
contradictorily try to say that they are “pure” Aryans, while Indians
are descendents of Dravidians (and completely forgetting that
Dravidians ARE Caucasians). Pakis are brain-dead idiots — the disease
causing the vacuum between their ears is islam.

40 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:28:27 AM by Cronos (This
Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-
St.Augustine)
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The crazy pakis also forget that their land was as you point out, once
Greco-Bactrian, Indo-Greek and mostly Buddhist before the Moselm slime
came and forcibly converted or killed many.

41 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:29:33 AM by Cronos (This
Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-
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To: Spike Knotts
Anthropological science/studies today exists primarily to find any
theory to discredit whites and western civilization from any claim of
being first or best etc except at crimes of humanity and racism...we
are of course masters of that while everyone else was living bucolic
green lives in Eden
the only whites who get a pass on this are oddly...the
Indians...curry, not Creek

i watched that rehashed who came to America first on NatGeo and they
were about ready to do a circle jerk over Polynesians in Chile or even
Baja or all those hilarious claims about Chinese junks from some 1700s
map that was “copied”....they swear

and it made them cry to even admit the only proved (so far) pre
Columbus was Erikson....sort of a footnote

i actually went on some sites about that topic...being curious by
nature...sites all teeming with anti-white bigotry....they dismissed
Clovis-Solutrean theories as white supremacy yet were ready to endorse
Polynesian chicken bones and sweet taters as gospel..yo

i know some of yall here are really all over this stuff...blam, civ,
cronos(still here?) but today..damn...how do ya weed thru all the crap

i’ll stick with my 1958 Britannica for now thanks..

42 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:43:56 AM by wardaddy (the
redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: Cronos
nice...someone who actually reads and left bias at the thread door

43 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:46:52 AM by wardaddy (the
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To: wardaddy; Spike Knotts
well, firstly, to claim any "race" as best or worst is stupid in my
opinion. Genes take you so far, but individuals count -- the Battle of
Isandlwana when the Zulus armed with spears defeated the Brits armed
with rifles is a case of sub-saharan africans having superior tactics
for example.

Anyway, there is no "white" civilisation or "white" race -- there is
the race of Caucasians and the sub-grouping of Indo-Europeans/Aryans.
There is no over-arching "white" civilisation -- the Italics, Celts,
Iranis, Slavs, Indics, Germanics, etc. have been separate
civilisations for millenia.

It's a fact that the Sumerians were trading with Egyptians, Bahrianis
and Indus valley civilisations. The Sumerians were God-knows which
race, though I'm inclined to believe blam's link about them being
related to Dravidians as were the people in the Indus valley (a
Caucasian civilisation). The Egyptians in the Old Kingdom were
definitely a mixture of Berber with Ethiopic-Semitic blood, later
kingdoms having Sudanese blood. The Chinese of course, had their own
race. The sub-saharan africans -- the ground was too inappropriate for
civilisation to spring up, ditto for Amazonia.

44 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:55:36 AM by Cronos (This
Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-
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To: wardaddy; Spike Knotts
The Clovis-Solutrean hypothesis could have happened — but then again,
those peoples were not Indo-Europeans but the predecessor (or
“original” Europeans). I don’t agree with anyone dismissing it off-
hand

45 posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:57:14 AM by Cronos (This
Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-
St.Augustine)
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