Petz, the certifiable village idiot of aus.pol
> On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:27:38 AM UTC+10, Ördög wrote:
>> *Why Are Americans So Obsessed With Communism??*
> snip commie crap>
/Context of my original post restored with just a few mouse clicks/
Really, I have no idea about the actual ideological/political
orientation of the author of that video, but what she said was all quite
enlightening, rational and clearly well researched regardless of what
alt-right creeps like you Petz dear thought of it. Anyhow, me posting it
to the newsgroup is all your fault! After all, you have been constantly
accusing me of posting communism related stuff w/o even once being right
about it.
So as soon as I came across this excellent video that is clearly talking
about something that is related to this topic I wanted to give you a
good reason for delivering your limitless hate-rage on my head!
>> ~~~~ ~~~~
>> How far beyond all logical explanation and meaning this mental
>> affliction has progressed in that alleged holy land of all capitalist
>> freedoms, the great American dream and the allegedly highest achievable
>> point in human civilisation forever and ever one only have to listen to
>> some eloquent rants delivered to the great unwashed by political heroes
>> like the orange man, Trump himself or one of his many accolades like
>> Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green.
>>
> You are from Hungary.
Nice of you to finally recognise that fact about me.
> this was commie Hungary in 1956
Well, in 1956 I was a brave five years old hiding in the cellar when the
fight with the Russians broke out. There was some shooting in my street
too and a military plane has crashed not far from our house. I can
clearly recall the seemingly endless columns of Russians tanks advancing
towards Budapest on the main road through our township and some of the
aerial dogfights around and above Budapest and the bombing of that city.
But go ahead, and lecture me about the well acknowledged history of my
country of birth.
> 2,500 Hungarians died and 200,000 more fled as refugees.
I see you still refuse to understand that Hungary was never really
"communist", not before 1956 nor any time after. The political
leadership said as much stating that Hungary was a country in transition
towards socialism. Even real Hungarian communists never once believed
that communism was actually established in that country.
The facts are these:
Hungary was one of the major losers at the end of Second World War, and
as such has remained under Russian occupation right until 1989. After
that war when the provisional government was finally replaced by an
elected one the Hungarian Socialist Workers' Party took over the
governance of the Hungary. Their leader, Rákosi, clearly under pressure
from Stalin himself and the occupying forces started to implement purely
Stalinist policies against of the wishes of many many socialists and
communists in the country. These were really dark times for Hungary as
it was in complete ruins receiving no actual help from the West but
instead paying war reparations to the USSR. Based on what my parents
told me about those times no wonder that after Stalin's death something
had to give, hence the 1956 revolution that had started by an uprising
of the socialist and communist students at the University and some
sections of the intellectuals within teaching profession. This uprising
quickly spread to workers and even the military. Rákosi had to flee the
country and Nagy Imre, a communist himself, took over the government.
Hoping for some real support from the West (that, of course, had never
materialized beyond the dumping of bucked loads of anti communist
propaganda and all sort of sweet promises to the great unwashed via the
US financed Radio Free Europe) the government had declared its intention
of leaving the Warsaw Pact and becoming independent. As expected that
did not play well with Moscow and they sent in major reinforcements in
support of the Russian troops already occupying country.
The rest is history! The revolution was crushed, Nagy Imre was executed
and Kádár János was given the job of taming those wild and unruly
Hungarians wanting to have independence from occupation and unbridled
Stalinism. But as it turned out, Hungary has achieved some respect
withing that Eastern block of USSR dominated allied countries...it had
become a free-est and most prosperous one within that geopolitical
group. Hungarian Stalinism had well and truly ended with 1956.
So much for a real history lesson, Petz dear, instead of the crap you
are addicted to from your alt-right cyber sewers sources.
> You one of those that family fled communism?
Your memory is clearly shot. We have already gone through that
conversation many times before: I am no 1956 refugee. Both of my parents
had decided to remain in Hungary after the revolution. I have left the
country completely legally after I have finished my high school
educations for purely family reasons. Stop spinning your fantasies about me.
BTW how many times must I remind you that there was NO communism in
Hungary nor any other place East of the Iron Curtain. Stalinist
authoritarian state capitalism is very-very far from what real
socialism, let alone communism supposed to look like.
> On November 4, 1956, Soviet tanks rolled into Budapest ... etc... etc... etc.
You don't have to cite me that kind of staff. I have personally lived
through it in real time, you moron!
Anywho! The topic of my OP had nothing to do we me nor Hungary. It was
all about the "Reds under the Beds" hysteria that had taken over the USA
and spread to many other parts of the world. Clearly it is beyond you
addressing that topic in any meaningful fashion. That explains why you
do not even try.
NOTE:
Your idiot alt-right/Xtian fundy hate propaganda and insane nonsense sig
was flushed as always without reading!