'Watchdog' under preparation against insulting islam
Michael Laudahn eOpposition
Moroccan author Mohammed Ridoaun Jabri, founder and columist of the defunct
controversial (anti-homo manifest) elqalem.nl website, will establish a
committee which will persecute legally everyone insulting islam. The
islamitic watchdog's first 'target' is PVV deputy Geert Wilders.
'Everyone making racist staatements on islam, and everybody inciting to
hatred, will be prosecuted by all of us', say Jabri. 'Our lawyers are
prepared.' The committe which must bear the name Mirsab, will be able to
count on the support of mosque administrations, lawyers and author
colleagues of Jabri, like fx Ali Eddaoudi.
Jabri presumes, however, that the watchdog committee will lose many cases.
'Never mind. What is important is the lasting effect of one case won. If we
succeed in forcing the legal system to make it more difficult for people
like Geert Wilders to spread discriminating viewpoints on us, I am content.'
The foundation will possibly start its activities after Wilders' film has
been broadcast.
In 2005, Jabri sought media contact with a notification according to which
he were busy to found the Moslim Democratische Partij (MDP). This initiative
was never heard of again.
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/86886
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Gaz
> Moroccan author Mohammed Ridoaun Jabri, founder and columist of the
> defunct controversial (anti-homo manifest) elqalem.nl website, will
> establish a committee which will persecute legally everyone insulting
> islam. The islamitic watchdog's first 'target' is PVV deputy Geert
> Wilders.
That's a misleading title, I was wondering 'what's that nicky campbell done
now?'
Gaz
Michael Laudahn eOpposition
"Gaz" <gaz...@msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Oh, this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Campbell
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_%28TV_series%29 ?
Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger (translator). Dutch waakhond gives
english watchdog.
Gaz
> "Gaz" <gaz...@msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:5vk673F...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>>> Moroccan author Mohammed Ridoaun Jabri, founder and columist of the
>>> defunct controversial (anti-homo manifest) elqalem.nl website, will
>>> establish a committee which will persecute legally everyone
>>> insulting islam. The islamitic watchdog's first 'target' is PVV
>>> deputy Geert Wilders.
>>
>> That's a misleading title, I was wondering 'what's that nicky
>> campbell done now?'
>>
>
>
> Oh, this one
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Campbell
>
> and
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_%28TV_series%29 ?
>
> Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger (translator). Dutch waakhond
> gives english watchdog.
Well, i was hoping that some Jihadis where going to lynch him, for
uncovering lack of adequate toilet facilities and disabled access at their
lake district "outdoor pursuits" trainning ground.
Gaz
Don H
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# Interesting, isn't it, that Religion is founded on Faith, ie. on what
cannot be proved. Which is the real reason why religion is so sensitive to
any type of critical comment, analysis, or demand for evidence - which it
brands as insult, blasphemy, etc.
Also, resort to legal prosecution shows that God cannot defend himself
but must rely on his followers to do the job for him. Maybe God doesn't
actually exist - except as a figment of the human imagination?
If God is Great, let he, himself, smite the Infidel.
If legal prosecution is to be in vogue, then why not prosecute, for
fraud, any creed which cannot provide empirical proof for the existence of
its deity.
The Eternal Life Insurance industry promises everlasting life to those
who take out a Policy. Another fraudulent aspect?
Why should anyone "respect" religion, when it relies on indoctrination
from one generation to the next, and sacred texts which cannot be
questioned?
If you've got a god, trot him out!
Michael Laudahn eOpposition
"Don H" <donlhu...@bigpond.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> # Interesting, isn't it, that Religion is founded on Faith, ie. on what
> cannot be proved. Which is the real reason why religion is so sensitive
> to
> any type of critical comment, analysis, or demand for evidence - which it
> brands as insult, blasphemy, etc.
> Also, resort to legal prosecution shows that God cannot defend himself
> but must rely on his followers to do the job for him. Maybe God doesn't
> actually exist - except as a figment of the human imagination?
> If God is Great, let he, himself, smite the Infidel.
> If legal prosecution is to be in vogue, then why not prosecute, for
> fraud, any creed which cannot provide empirical proof for the existence of
> its deity.
> The Eternal Life Insurance industry promises everlasting life to those
> who take out a Policy. Another fraudulent aspect?
> Why should anyone "respect" religion, when it relies on indoctrination
> from one generation to the next, and sacred texts which cannot be
> questioned?
> If you've got a god, trot him out!
>
Sounds fair enough to me. Would you like to present your viewpoints to
effendi Mohammed Ridoaun Jabri himself? Like they mentioned, 'elqalem.nl' is
no longer there, but I found 'maghreb.nl' instead. I'm almost certain you
will reach him there.
You can either use info (a) maghreb.nl, or use their form at
http://www.maghreb.nl/contact/ .
If you receive a reply, keep us posted, please.
B J Foster
Ördög
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Ördög
Michael Laudahn eOpposition
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Helicopter Michis's daily hate:
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Seems 'Ördög' doesn't like competition from a Wötchdög... >.)
Doug
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> Hope for your sake that you've got deep pockets.
NOt everyone makes pocket pool a daily sport like you do BJ.
Ördög
>'Ördög' doesn't like competition from a Wötchdög...
How long did it take you to come up with this one?
Or did you get some help from your brown shirt / bonehead mates.
Little Johnny Howard
> Moroccan author Mohammed Ridoaun Jabri, founder and columist of the defunct
> controversial (anti-homo manifest) elqalem.nl website, will establish a
> committee which will persecute legally everyone insulting islam.
What charge can he use if its not illegal to "insult" pislam. And what
about the ragheads insulting other religions.
> The islamitic watchdog's first 'target' is PVV deputy Geert Wilders.
>
> 'Everyone making racist staatements on islam, and everybody inciting to
> hatred, will be prosecuted by all of us', say Jabri. 'Our lawyers are
> prepared.' The committe which must bear the name Mirsab, will be able to
> count on the support of mosque administrations, lawyers and author
> colleagues of Jabri, like fx Ali Eddaoudi.
Good. That will give them a list of names of the dhimmis and ragheads.
> Jabri presumes, however, that the watchdog committee will lose many cases.
Yeah, like 100% of them.
> 'Never mind. What is important is the lasting effect of one case won. If we
> succeed in forcing the legal system to make it more difficult for people
> like Geert Wilders to spread discriminating viewpoints on us, I am content.'
Telling the truth is discrimination.
> The foundation will possibly start its activities after Wilders' film has
> been broadcast.
Is that like locking the stable doors after the horse has bolted?
> In 2005, Jabri sought media contact with a notification according to which
> he were busy to found the Moslim Democratische Partij (MDP). This initiative
> was never heard of again.
ha ha ha!
> http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/86886
Stupid ragheads!
DVH
"Ördög" <tz81...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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Heli Michi demonstrates his idea of an "intelligent" reply:
> >'Ördög' doesn't like competition from a Wötchdög...
> How long did it take you to come up with this one?
> Or did you get some help from your brown shirt / bonehead mates.
""Fascists!" "Brownshirts!" "Jackbooted stormtroopers!" Such are the insults
typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. But who are
the real fascists in our midst? In Liberal Fascism, National Review
columnist Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the
left".
FACE
'Watchdog' under preparation against insulting islam, "DVH"
<d...@vhvhvhvh.com>, wrote
I now find the liberal-ly hurled epithet of "brownshirts" extremely
amusing. The Brownshirts (the SA, mostly led by Ernst Rhoem) which
mostly propelled Hitler to power were *highly* socialist.
FACE
Ördög
The Brownshirts (the SA, mostly led by Ernst Rhoem) which
> mostly propelled Hitler to power were *highly* socialist.
LOL.
You have left a little but important word out of your sentence above:
"National".
Now that is a world of difference.
But I assume leaving it out was by no accident. Your right retarded
idiots are still trying to rewrite history, I see.
I wonder why!
Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and
Usenet)
Ördög
> "Ördög" wrote:
> > Or did you get some help from your brown shirt / bonehead mates.
> ""Fascists!" "Brownshirts!" "Jackbooted stormtroopers!" Such are the insults
> typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents.
Not really. These insult (if they are really insults and are not just
the stating of facts) are directed only at those who idealise and
spread Nazi propaganda.
Such like your heavily defended accomplice, Helicopter Michi.
So in you opinion those (like Michi) who revere Hitler and his
brainstorming "master piece", "Mein Kampf" belong to what kind of
ideological camp?
Those (like your beloved Heli Michi) who constantly talking about the
need for the introduction of martial law, institutionalised
discrimination, the outlawing of a particular religion, the outlawing
of the political left, the introduction of kangaroo courts to deliver
mob justice and executions are following which political creed?
> ....Liberal Fascism, ......
An obvious oxymoron. Mind you, I am not a liberal but a communist who
has little sympathies for the political right and little need for the
slack approach those "liberals" tend to take.
> Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the
> left".
I assume he was one of those arrogant morons whose family watched the
unfolding of the events of the Holocaust from the wealthy safety of
the USA. Only such idiots can afford to reject the ugly realities of
the world we actually live in. Remaining rightards was not something
those Jews who stayed on mainland Europe could afford to toy with.
Well, in any case you need to have an urgent reality check. Your
support for a well documented cyber-Nazi is noted. That removes any
traces of credibility you might claim to have while lecturing others
on the evilness of fascism.
Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and
Usenet)
DVH
"DVH" departs from reality:
> "Ördög" wrote:
> > Or did you get some help from your brown shirt / bonehead mates.
> ""Fascists!" "Brownshirts!" "Jackbooted stormtroopers!" Such are the
> insults
> typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents.
> Not really. These insult (if they are really insults and are not
> just the stating of facts) are directed only at those who idealise
> and spread Nazi propaganda.
Apparently not.
Results 1 - 74 of 74 for "fascist blair"
Results 1 - 38 of 38 for "fascist tories"
> Such like your heavily defended accomplice, Helicopter Michi.
>
> So in you opinion those (like Michi) who revere Hitler and his
> brainstorming "master piece", "Mein Kampf" belong to what kind
> of ideological camp?
I've never thought about it. It's an error to think in terms of "ideological
camps".
> Those (like your beloved Heli Michi) who constantly talking about the
> need for the introduction of martial law, institutionalised
> discrimination, the outlawing of a particular religion, the outlawing
> of the political left, the introduction of kangaroo courts to deliver
> mob justice and executions are following which political creed?
No idea. I don't much care.
> ....Liberal Fascism, ......
An obvious oxymoron. Mind you, I am not a liberal but a communist who
has little sympathies for the political right and little need for the
slack approach those "liberals" tend to take.
> Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the
> left".
> I assume he was one of those arrogant morons whose family watched
> the unfolding of the events of the Holocaust from the wealthy safety
> of the USA. Only such idiots can afford to reject the ugly realities of
> the world we actually live in. Remaining rightards was not something
> those Jews who stayed on mainland Europe could afford to toy with.
>
> Well, in any case you need to have an urgent reality check. Your
> support for a well documented cyber-Nazi is noted. That removes
> any traces of credibility you might claim to have while lecturing others
> on the evilness of fascism.
Pompous ninny.
Ördög
> "Ördög" wrote:
> > typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents.
> > Not really. These insult (if they are really insults and are not
> > just the stating of facts) are directed only at those who idealise
> > and spread Nazi propaganda.
> Apparently not.
> Results 1 - 74 of 74 for "fascist blair"
> Results 1 - 38 of 38 for "fascist tories"
Hmmm.
Firstly let us get your facts straight.
All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis.
Secondly:
When have I ever used used the terms ""fascist Blair" and "fascist
Tories" in this forum?
The word fascist is someone overused, mostly by people who can't even
insult others properly and by those who would not have a clue about
the nature of different political ideologies and modus operandi. As
your whinge in this thread clearly demonstrates you are one of these
hapless folks.
> > So in you opinion those (like Michi) who revere Hitler and his
> > brainstorming "master piece", "Mein Kampf" belong to what kind
> > of ideological camp?
> I've never thought about it. It's an error to think in terms of "ideological
> camps".
Typical. You have no clue, and do not even try to form an opinion just
in case you might have to admit that you support some really ugly
types.
> > Those (like your beloved Heli Michi) who constantly talking about the
> > need for the introduction of martial law, institutionalised
> > discrimination, the outlawing of a particular religion, the outlawing
> > of the political left, the introduction of kangaroo courts to deliver
> > mob justice and executions are following which political creed?
> No idea. I don't much care.
Really? In other words you stick your head into.
> > ....Liberal Fascism, ......
Yet you call liberals fascist. How can you explain that?
> An obvious oxymoron. Mind you, I am not a liberal but a communist who
> has little sympathies for the political right and little need for the
> slack approach those "liberals" tend to take.
<snip>
> > Well, in any case you need to have an urgent reality check. Your
> > support for a well documented cyber-Nazi is noted. That removes
> > any traces of credibility you might claim to have while lecturing others
> > on the evilness of fascism.
> Pompous ninny.
Piss weak response.
Get back to me when you have stopped using blinkers, ear plugs, and
humming loudly la-la-la. Maybe then we could actually talk politics.
DVH
"DVH" indulges himself in endless ignorance:
> "Ördög" wrote:
> > typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents.
> > Not really. These insult (if they are really insults and are not
> > just the stating of facts) are directed only at those who idealise
> > and spread Nazi propaganda.
> Apparently not.
> Results 1 - 74 of 74 for "fascist blair"
> Results 1 - 38 of 38 for "fascist tories"
> Hmmm.
> Firstly let us get your facts straight.
> All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis.
Possible. Not relevant.
Secondly:
> When have I ever used used the terms ""fascist Blair" and "fascist
Tories" in this forum?
I don't suppose you have. Why do you ask?
> The word fascist is someone overused, mostly by people who can't
> even insult others properly and by those who would not have a clue
> about the nature of different political ideologies and modus operandi.
> As your whinge in this thread clearly demonstrates you are one of
> these hapless folks.
> > So in you opinion those (like Michi) who revere Hitler and his
> > brainstorming "master piece", "Mein Kampf" belong to what kind
> > of ideological camp?
> I've never thought about it. It's an error to think in terms of
> "ideological
> camps".
> Typical. You have no clue, and do not even try to form an opinion
How can one form an opinion about something that doesn't exist. There is no
such thing as an ideological camp, so one cannot have an opinion about it.
> just in case you might have to admit that you support some really
> ugly types.
> > Those (like your beloved Heli Michi) who constantly talking about the
> > need for the introduction of martial law, institutionalised
> > discrimination, the outlawing of a particular religion, the outlawing
> > of the political left, the introduction of kangaroo courts to deliver
> > mob justice and executions are following which political creed?
> No idea. I don't much care.
> Really? In other words you stick your head into.
I don't follow what the above means.
> > ....Liberal Fascism, ......
> Yet you call liberals fascist. How can you explain that?
I can't. I don't call liberals fascist.
> An obvious oxymoron. Mind you, I am not a liberal but a communist who
> has little sympathies for the political right and little need for the
> slack approach those "liberals" tend to take.
<snip>
> > Well, in any case you need to have an urgent reality check. Your
> > support for a well documented cyber-Nazi is noted. That removes
> > any traces of credibility you might claim to have while lecturing others
> > on the evilness of fascism.
> Pompous ninny.
> Piss weak response.
>
> Get back to me when you have stopped using blinkers, ear plugs,
> and humming loudly la-la-la. Maybe then we could actually talk politics.
You don't "talk" "politics". You talk about labels, and your arguments are
all about categories rather than realities.
Ördög
> "Ördög" <tz81qm...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> > All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis.
> Possible. Not relevant.
To the contrary, this is a very relevant distinction. Specially when
dealing with people who can be identified as one or the other. Of
course, since you take pain not to be be identified with either of
these groups you pretend that calling a spade a spade has no relevance
here.
> > When have I ever used used the terms ""fascist Blair" and "fascist
> > Tories" in this forum?
> I don't suppose you have. Why do you ask?
I was referring to your somewhat shallow interjection above in the
thread.
Have you changed your mind about the nature of your attack in the mean
time?
> > > It's an error to think in terms of "ideological camps".
> > Typical. You have no clue, and do not even try to form an opinion
> How can one form an opinion about something that doesn't exist.
Well, who indulges here himself in absolute denial?
UK conservatives have strange views on the world we live in.
Now I have to assume that you would also be of the opinion that
society does not exist either.
> There is no
> such thing as an ideological camp, so one cannot have an opinion about it.
LOL
What you really want to say is that to avoid embarrassing yourself by
getting caught up in a debate you find difficult to win you pretend
instead that the subject does not exist at all.
> > > ....Liberal Fascism, ......
> > Yet you call liberals fascist. How can you explain that?
>
> I can't. I don't call liberals fascist.
No you don't, do you? You only cite an article about this assertion,
instead.
> > > Pompous ninny.
> > Piss weak response.
> > Get back to me when you have stopped using blinkers, ear plugs,
> > and humming loudly la-la-la. Maybe then we could actually talk politics.
>
> You don't "talk" "politics". You talk about labels, and your arguments are
> all about categories rather than realities.
Well, I try to identify what makes society tick, while you prefer
shallow whinging instead about your personal grievances and dislikes.
I wonder what do you understand under the word "politics".
What I would call politics is this:
Politics is the method by which people with different ideas,
convictions and attitudes working together towards some workable
solution to manage the survival of our species.
I note that you have less than nothing to contribute on this subject.
DVH
"DVH" sends messages from his own insulated bunker:
> "Ördög" <tz81qm...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> > All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis.
> Possible. Not relevant.
> To the contrary, this is a very relevant distinction. Specially when
dealing with people who can be identified as one or the other.
You're an idiot for wanting to "identify" people as fascists, nazis,
conservatives, or whatever. Your self-identification as a "communist" is
wrong-headed.
> Of course, since you take pain not to be be identified with either of
> these groups you pretend that calling a spade a spade has no
> relevance here.
Again, you're in a tremendous muddle. You're concentrating on categorising
and labelling when what counts is individual actions.
For example, somebody may call himself a philanthropist, and when talking to
him you may find out that he believes people should put their excess income
into good causes. So what? Does that mean he puts his money into good
causes? Maybe you then find out he does give away a lot of money... does
that make him a philanthropist? What if he puts money into a cause you don't
consider good - such as African aid which is spent on limousines for the
ruling class? Is he then a philanthropist? Who cares? What matters is the
reality of his spending.
> > When have I ever used used the terms ""fascist Blair" and "fascist
> > Tories" in this forum?
> I don't suppose you have. Why do you ask?
> I was referring to your somewhat shallow interjection above in the
thread.
Yes, you were referring to something. But why did you ask the question?
> Have you changed your mind about the nature of your attack in the mean
time?
> > > It's an error to think in terms of "ideological camps".
> > Typical. You have no clue, and do not even try to form an opinion
> How can one form an opinion about something that doesn't exist.
> Well, who indulges here himself in absolute denial?
> UK conservatives
UK conservatives. You absolutely can't stop your habit of lazy
categorisation, can you?
> have strange views on the world we live in.
> Now I have to assume that you would also be of the opinion that
society does not exist either.
Naturally. Making assumptions based on no evidence is one of your modes of
thought.
> There is no
> such thing as an ideological camp, so one cannot have an opinion about it.
> LOL
> What you really want to say
No. You will have to face up to reality and accept that "what I really want
to say" is what I say.
> is that to avoid embarrassing yourself by
> getting caught up in a debate you find difficult to win you
> pretend instead that the subject does not exist at all.
I'm not foolish enough to believe I can "win" a debate, so I don't set out
to do so.
> > > ....Liberal Fascism, ......
> > Yet you call liberals fascist. How can you explain that?
>
> I can't. I don't call liberals fascist.
> No you don't, do you?
Finally, you have achieved a moment of truth. Congratulations.
> You only cite an article about this assertion,
instead.
> > > Pompous ninny.
> > Piss weak response.
> > Get back to me when you have stopped using blinkers, ear plugs,
> > and humming loudly la-la-la. Maybe then we could actually talk politics.
>
> You don't "talk" "politics". You talk about labels, and your arguments are
> all about categories rather than realities.
> Well, I try to identify what makes society tick,
Ridiculous cliché.
> while you prefer
> shallow whinging instead about your personal grievances and dislikes.
> I wonder what do you understand under the word "politics".
> What I would call politics is this:
> Politics is the method by which people with different ideas,
> convictions and attitudes working together towards some
> workable solution to manage the survival of our species.
Sounds a reasonable definition.