Gunman Pistorius - shoot first, open the door later

[yaputya]

Why guns are so dangerous...........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom.

He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.

[regn]

As usual, blame is fixated on an object. Ignored is why the guy went
Homicidal in the first place and supposedly and crushed her skull
with a cricket bat.

Was the guy a mental case? No question. Did shrinks know and allow
him to wander around? It's the usual scenario for mass killers.

In this case, the `model' girlfriend probably wanted out
of the relationship.

Why don't you blame electricity? If the lights hadn't been on he
might not have been able to see her. OOOHH BAD ELECTRICITY!

[yaputya]

"regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4c4f22a2-e230-46fd...@googlegroups.com...

> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:08:06 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>
>> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed,
>> put
>>
>> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom.
>>
>>
>>
>> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>
> As usual, blame is fixated on an object. Ignored is why the guy went
> Homicidal in the first place and supposedly and crushed her skull
> with a cricket bat.

Hardly any other common weapon will kill you through a door, eh?

>
> Was the guy a mental case? No question. Did shrinks know and allow
> him to wander around? It's the usual scenario for mass killers.

Mass killers get guns too easily.

>
> In this case, the `model' girlfriend probably wanted out
> of the relationship.
>
> Why don't you blame electricity? If the lights hadn't been on he
> might not have been able to see her. OOOHH BAD ELECTRICITY!

She was on the otherside of a closed door, dimwit.

[yaputya]

"regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4c4f22a2-e230-46fd...@googlegroups.com...

> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:08:06 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>
>> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed,
>> put
>>
>> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom.
>>
>>
>>
>> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>
> As usual, blame is fixated on an object. Ignored is why the guy went
> Homicidal in the first place and supposedly and crushed her skull
> with a cricket bat.

Where did you get this 'crushed her skull with a cricket bat' idea from?
Maybe you are the one fixated on an object!!!

[Gillard the Liar]

"The well-respected City Press newspaper reported that a cricket bat
covered in blood was found at Pistorius's home and is the central
piece of evidence against him. Citing sources close to the
investigation, the paper said Steenkamp's skull was crushed and police
requested Pistorius undergo drug tests."

http://tinyurl.com/ayq3hke

[yaputya]

"Gillard the Liar" <ju...@lies.com> wrote in message news:hir7i81vso74vhcu9...@4ax.com...

OK, I guess we should all shut the fuck up until the case is completed.

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aohbpu...@mid.individual.net...

You didn't mention that he, allegedly, bludgeoned her with a cricket bat.

Was your omission accidental, or deliberate?

--
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not
want merely because you think it would be good for him".

Robert A. Heinlein.

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aoi6p8...@mid.individual.net...

>
> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4c4f22a2-e230-46fd...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:08:06 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>>> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>>
>>> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February,
>>> Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
>>>
>>> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through
>>> the door of the small bathroom.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>>
>> As usual, blame is fixated on an object. Ignored is why the guy went
>> Homicidal in the first place and supposedly and crushed her skull
>> with a cricket bat.
>
> Hardly any other common weapon will kill you through a door, eh?

FYI, hitting something you can't see with 3 out of 4 shots is a pretty neat
trick.

>> Was the guy a mental case? No question. Did shrinks know and allow
>> him to wander around? It's the usual scenario for mass killers.
>
> Mass killers get guns too easily.

As do Leftard tosspot wanker control-freaks and the internet.

>
>>
>> In this case, the `model' girlfriend probably wanted out
>> of the relationship.
>>
>> Why don't you blame electricity? If the lights hadn't been on he
>> might not have been able to see her. OOOHH BAD ELECTRICITY!
>
> She was on the otherside of a closed door, dimwit.

Then how could he see her to aim at her? Dimwit.

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aoiahg...@mid.individual.net...

No shit Sherlock?

A minute ago, you were soooooo fucking certain he shot her through a closed
door.

You fucktards are just a bit too quick to dance in the blood of victims
whenever a gun is mentioned.

[yaputya]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message news:eT_Us.3704$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aohbpu...@mid.individual.net...
>> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed,
>> put on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom.
>>
>> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>
> You didn't mention that he, allegedly, bludgeoned her with a cricket bat.
>
> Was your omission accidental, or deliberate?

There has been no report that I have seen about him bludgeoning her with
a cricket bat. He said he uses a cricket bat to break down the locked toilet door
after he had fired 4 shots through it.

[yaputya]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message news:I1%Us.3705$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aoi6p8...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4c4f22a2-e230-46fd...@googlegroups.com...
>>> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:08:06 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>>>> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>>>
>>>> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed,
>>>> put
>>>>
>>>> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>>>
>>> As usual, blame is fixated on an object. Ignored is why the guy went
>>> Homicidal in the first place and supposedly and crushed her skull
>>> with a cricket bat.
>>
>> Hardly any other common weapon will kill you through a door, eh?
>
> FYI, hitting something you can't see with 3 out of 4 shots is a pretty neat trick.

Not in a toilet, there isn't much room and people tend to stand in the middle.
Fuckwit.

>
>>> Was the guy a mental case? No question. Did shrinks know and allow
>>> him to wander around? It's the usual scenario for mass killers.
>>
>> Mass killers get guns too easily.
>
> As do Leftard tosspot wanker control-freaks and the internet.

And wannabe cowboy wankers who think they are John Wayne.

>
>>
>>>
>>> In this case, the `model' girlfriend probably wanted out
>>> of the relationship.
>>>
>>> Why don't you blame electricity? If the lights hadn't been on he
>>> might not have been able to see her. OOOHH BAD ELECTRICITY!
>>
>> She was on the otherside of a closed door, dimwit.
>
> Then how could he see her to aim at her? Dimwit.

It was a toilet, fuckwit. Not much room to move, especially
if she was sitting down, eh.
Fuckwit.

[yaputya]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message news:z3%Us.3707$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

That is the latest report, fuckwit.

>
> You fucktards are just a bit too quick to dance in the blood of victims whenever a gun is mentioned.

Tell me any other weapon that would be so deadly through a closed door.
Fuckwit.

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aokats...@mid.individual.net...

>
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
> news:I1%Us.3705$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:aoi6p8...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c4f22a2-e230-46fd...@googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:08:06 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>>>>> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>>>>
>>>>> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14
>>>>> February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
>>>>>
>>>>> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun
>>>>> through the door of the small bathroom.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>>>>
>>>> As usual, blame is fixated on an object. Ignored is why the guy went
>>>> Homicidal in the first place and supposedly and crushed her skull
>>>> with a cricket bat.
>>>
>>> Hardly any other common weapon will kill you through a door, eh?
>>
>> FYI, hitting something you can't see with 3 out of 4 shots is a pretty
>> neat trick.
>
> Not in a toilet, there isn't much room and people tend to stand in the
> middle.

Unless they're sitting down. Or crouching because someone has chased you in
there.

> Fuckwit.

You suuuure are.

>>
>>>> Was the guy a mental case? No question. Did shrinks know and allow
>>>> him to wander around? It's the usual scenario for mass killers.
>>>
>>> Mass killers get guns too easily.
>>
>> As do Leftard tosspot wanker control-freaks and the internet.
>
> And wannabe cowboy wankers who think they are John Wayne.

That's the best you can come up with?

>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this case, the `model' girlfriend probably wanted out
>>>> of the relationship.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you blame electricity? If the lights hadn't been on he
>>>> might not have been able to see her. OOOHH BAD ELECTRICITY!
>>>
>>> She was on the otherside of a closed door, dimwit.
>>
>> Then how could he see her to aim at her? Dimwit.
>
> It was a toilet, fuckwit. Not much room to move, especially
> if she was sitting down, eh.

A minute ago, you had her standing up.

You don't actually know, do you?

> Fuckwit.

Yes, you are.

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aokats...@mid.individual.net...

Run along, child. You're out of your depth here.

>>
>> You fucktards are just a bit too quick to dance in the blood of victims
>> whenever a gun is mentioned.
>
> Tell me any other weapon that would be so deadly through a closed door.
> Fuckwit.

I could think of a few.

But I wouldn't want to give a silly boy like you ideas.

Children should be kept away from dangerous things. And Usenet, it appears.

[bringyagrogalong]

Seems a gun in the house didn't save her life.

So much for gun nut propaganda.

[BW]

On Feb 20, 5:28 am, Gillard the Liar <ju...@lies.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:23:46 +0100, "yaputya"
>
>
>

> <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"regn" <regn.pickf...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4c4f22a2-e230-46fd...@googlegroups.com...

A chinese whisper, eh?
The autopsy found no wounds to suggest that she was bashed.

[regn]

Internal doors are usually no more than a notional privacy screen
made of ply wood and cardboard.

Had a goat once who ate/chewed his way through one.

[bringyagrogalong]

regn <regn.pickf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> UTC+11, Spartan613 wrote:
> > "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > > "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

> > >> "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > >>> "Gillard the Liar" <ju...@lies.com> wrote in message

> > >>>> "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>"regn" <regn.pickf...@gmail.com> wrote in message

I guess you were rooting it at the time.

Can't blame him.

[yaputya]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message news:hyjVs.3869$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aokats...@mid.individual.net...
>>

>> It was a toilet, fuckwit. Not much room to move, especially
>> if she was sitting down, eh.
>
> A minute ago, you had her standing up.
>
> You don't actually know, do you?

Nope. The prosecution may have some evidence about that.
Angle of gunshot wounds etc.
Either way it happened.
You seem to think shooting someone locked in a toilet would be hard.
Oscar managed it 3 out of 4. Through the door.

[yaputya]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message news:6AjVs.3727$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

Hardly, it seems I was right.
You are the one out of her depth.

>
>>>
>>> You fucktards are just a bit too quick to dance in the blood of victims whenever a gun is mentioned.
>>
>> Tell me any other weapon that would be so deadly through a closed door.
>> Fuckwit.
>
> I could think of a few.

I don't think so.

>
> But I wouldn't want to give a silly boy like you ideas.
>
> Children should be kept away from dangerous things. And Usenet, it appears.

You just lost the argument fuckwit, now run away and hide if you can't answer.

[Spartan613]

"bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:b763f5ed-f7f3-4669...@kw7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

We don't need you to keep proving how stupid you are...

But if you insist.

[bringyagrogalong]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message

> > "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>
> >> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February,
> >> Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
> >> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through
> >> the door of the small bathroom.
>
> >> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>
> > Seems a gun in the house didn't save her life.
>
> > So much for gun nut propaganda.
>
> We don't need you to keep proving how stupid you are...

The gun nuts reckon that all citizens should have guns in their homes
for self-defense.

That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.

In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.

Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.

[regn]

On Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:29:51 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong wrote:
> regn <regn.pickf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > UTC+11, Spartan613 wrote:
>
> > > "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

>

> > Internal doors are usually no more than a notional privacy screen
> > made of ply wood and cardboard.
>
> >
>
> > Had a goat once who ate/chewed his way through one.
>
>
>
> I guess you were rooting it at the time.
>

Fuck that. I aint some kind of Poofter!

>
>
> Can't blame him.

[regn]

On Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52:02 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong wrote:
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>
> > "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>
> > > "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>
> >
>
> > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>
> >
>
> > >> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February,
>
> > >> Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
>
> > >> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through
>
> > >> the door of the small bathroom.
>
> >
>
> > >> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>
> >
>
> > > Seems a gun in the house didn't save her life.
>
> >
>
> > > So much for gun nut propaganda.
>
> >
>
> > We don't need you to keep proving how stupid you are...
>
>
>
> The gun nuts reckon that all citizens should have guns in their homes
> for self-defense.
>
> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.
>

The girl doesn't seem to have had a gun and she was killed.
dial 000 (911) and die

>
>
> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>

The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
with killing the girl.

>
>
> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.

I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
society run by blacks.

[yaputya]

"regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e7269f72-9e63-4e9b...@googlegroups.com...

> On Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52:02 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong wrote:
>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>
>> > > "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February,
>>
>> > >> Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
>>
>> > >> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through
>>
>> > >> the door of the small bathroom.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > Seems a gun in the house didn't save her life.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > So much for gun nut propaganda.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > We don't need you to keep proving how stupid you are...
>>
>>
>>
>> The gun nuts reckon that all citizens should have guns in their homes
>> for self-defense.
>>
>> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.
>>
> The girl doesn't seem to have had a gun and she was killed.
> dial 000 (911) and die

There was a gun under the bed.
She didn't pick it up. Oscar did and went for her.
Have a loasded gun in the house and die.

>
>>
>>
>> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>>
>
> The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
> with killing the girl.

Yeah, un upstanding citizen.

>
>>
>>
>> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.
>
> I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
> a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
> society run by blacks.

The truth is you can't tell who is nuts before they kill.
So don't give us any bullshit that 'mental health checks' etc.
could have avoided this murder. Having a gun under the
bed made it all too easy to kill someone through a locked
door.

And that fuckwit child Spartan613 has gone very quiet about
other possible self-defense weapons that kill through a locked door.

It is illegal in Australia to own a gun for self-defense.

[regn]

On Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:53:41 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e7269f72-9e63-4e9b...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52:02 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong wrote:
>
> >> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> > "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>

> >> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.
>
> >>
>
> > The girl doesn't seem to have had a gun and she was killed.
> > dial 000 (911) and die
>
>
>
> There was a gun under the bed.
>

Any gun that may or may not have been under the bed
was not owned by the girl.

> She didn't pick it up. Oscar did and went for her.
> Have a loasded gun in the house and die.
>

The exact circumstances have not been resolved as to
whether it was loaded, whether she knew it was there,
whether it may have been under the bed or why.

She didn't have a firearm
She is now dead.

>
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
> > with killing the girl.
>
>
>
> Yeah, un upstanding citizen.

No, Pistorius killed her, he is being charged for the
murder. The Firearm did not kill her.

There is still to be resolved the part
the cricket bat played in being used to kill her.

>
>
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.
>
> >
>
> > I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
> > a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
> > society run by blacks.
>
>
>
> The truth is you can't tell who is nuts before they kill.
>

Most nuts don't kill.

> So don't give us any bullshit that 'mental health checks' etc.
> could have avoided this murder. Having a gun under the
> bed made it all too easy to kill someone through a locked
> door.

Witnesses say she was alive when carried downstairs so it
has yet to be resolved she was killed in the locked bathroom.

>
>
>
> And that fuckwit child Spartan613 has gone very quiet about
> other possible self-defense weapons that kill through a locked door.
>

I have a "Bear Alaskan" bow that would fuck up people behind a
lot of external doors, let alone internal ones. Failing that,
I have tomatoe stakes, star posts, fire extinguishers, I even
got an extension chain saw that hangs off the whipper snipper.

How gruesome do you want to get?

>
>
> It is illegal in Australia to own a gun for self-defense.

It is illegal to own a cricket bat for self defense as well.

[yaputya]

"regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aed0964e-e648-488a...@googlegroups.com...

> On Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:53:41 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e7269f72-9e63-4e9b...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52:02 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong wrote:
>>
>> >> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>
>
>> >> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> > The girl doesn't seem to have had a gun and she was killed.
>> > dial 000 (911) and die
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a gun under the bed.
>>
> Any gun that may or may not have been under the bed
> was not owned by the girl.
>
>
>> She didn't pick it up. Oscar did and went for her.
>> Have a loasded gun in the house and die.
>>
> The exact circumstances have not been resolved as to
> whether it was loaded, whether she knew it was there,
> whether it may have been under the bed or why.
>
> She didn't have a firearm
> She is now dead.

There was a firearm in the house.

She is now dead.

QED

Should every wife/lover have a hidden weapon in case their spouse goes nuts?

>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
>> > with killing the girl.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, un upstanding citizen.
>
> No, Pistorius killed her, he is being charged for the
> murder. The Firearm did not kill her.

Cause of death gunshot wounds. Go figure Einstein.....

>
> There is still to be resolved the part
> the cricket bat played in being used to kill her.

Perhaps, but why would you shoot 4 times through a closed door
if you had already killed the victim???

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
>> > a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
>> > society run by blacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> The truth is you can't tell who is nuts before they kill.
>>
>
> Most nuts don't kill.

Nuts with guns do all too often.

>
>> So don't give us any bullshit that 'mental health checks' etc.
>> could have avoided this murder. Having a gun under the
>> bed made it all too easy to kill someone through a locked
>> door.
>
> Witnesses say she was alive when carried downstairs so it
> has yet to be resolved she was killed in the locked bathroom.

No excuse for shooting through a locked door, you are commiting
first degree murder, that much is clear. Pisto may get off the maximum
possible sentence but you don't have any excuse to execute someone
who is sitting on your toilet.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> And that fuckwit child Spartan613 has gone very quiet about
>> other possible self-defense weapons that kill through a locked door.
>>
>
> I have a "Bear Alaskan" bow that would fuck up people behind a
> lot of external doors, let alone internal ones. Failing that,
> I have tomatoe stakes, star posts, fire extinguishers, I even
> got an extension chain saw that hangs off the whipper snipper.

And I suppose you keep all these instruments at the ready under the bed?
ROTFLMFHO!!!!

>
> How gruesome do you want to get?

Get back to reality.

>
>
>>
>>
>> It is illegal in Australia to own a gun for self-defense.
>
> It is illegal to own a cricket bat for self defense as well.

Bullshit.
Quote the relevant law or retract that absurdity at once.

[regn]

On Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:03:44 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aed0964e-e648-488a...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:53:41 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>
> >> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e7269f72-9e63-4e9b...@googlegroups.com...
>
> >>
>
> >> > On Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52:02 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> > "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >> >> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > The girl doesn't seem to have had a gun and she was killed.
>
> >> > dial 000 (911) and die
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> There was a gun under the bed.
>
> >>
>
> > Any gun that may or may not have been under the bed
>
> > was not owned by the girl.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> She didn't pick it up. Oscar did and went for her.
>
> >> Have a loasded gun in the house and die.
>
> >>
>
> > The exact circumstances have not been resolved as to
>
> > whether it was loaded, whether she knew it was there,
>
> > whether it may have been under the bed or why.
>
> >
>
> > She didn't have a firearm
>
> > She is now dead.
>
>
>
> There was a firearm in the house.
She didn't have a firearm
> She is now dead.

> QED
yep

>
>
>
> Should every wife/lover have a hidden weapon in case their spouse goes nuts?
>

That should be their choice. Like driving with or without
a seatbelt should be a choice.

> >> >> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>
> >> > The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
> >> > with killing the girl.
> >>
> >> Yeah, un upstanding citizen.
>
> > No, Pistorius killed her, he is being charged for the
> > murder. The Firearm did not kill her.
>
> Cause of death gunshot wounds. Go figure Einstein.....
>

I have not been able to locate the Autopsy report, perhaps
you could link to it as you seem to have more details
than I am seeing released

>
>
> >
>
> > There is still to be resolved the part
> > the cricket bat played in being used to kill her.
>
>
>
> Perhaps, but why would you shoot 4 times through a closed door
> if you had already killed the victim???
>

The part the bat played is still to be resolved.
It had blood on it, it played a part

>
> >> >> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.
>
> >> > I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
> >> > a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
> >> > society run by blacks.
> >>
> >>
> >> The truth is you can't tell who is nuts before they kill.
> >>
> >
> > Most nuts don't kill.
>
> Nuts with guns do all too often.
>

As with nuts with knives, cars, matches and fists.

> >
> >> So don't give us any bullshit that 'mental health checks' etc.
> >> could have avoided this murder. Having a gun under the
> >> bed made it all too easy to kill someone through a locked
> >> door.
>
> >
>
> > Witnesses say she was alive when carried downstairs so it
> > has yet to be resolved she was killed in the locked bathroom.
>
> No excuse for shooting through a locked door, you are commiting
> first degree murder, that much is clear. Pisto may get off the maximum
> possible sentence but you don't have any excuse to execute someone
> who is sitting on your toilet.
>

It has not been resolved why and what she was doing in
the toilet.

It could be assumed she was making noises that identified herself.
Pistorius `innocence` is at best, a notional technicality.
but a number of the details you see as fact have not been resolved.

>
> >> And that fuckwit child Spartan613 has gone very quiet about
> >> other possible self-defense weapons that kill through a locked door.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > I have a "Bear Alaskan" bow that would fuck up people behind a
> > lot of external doors, let alone internal ones. Failing that,
> > I have tomatoe stakes, star posts, fire extinguishers, I even
> > got an extension chain saw that hangs off the whipper snipper.
>
>
>
> And I suppose you keep all these instruments at the ready under the bed?
>
> ROTFLMFHO!!!!
>

You asked how could someone be killed through a locked toilet door.
It is claimed the killing was premeditated. so in such a case all these would have been made handy, tested and available.

How would _you_ kill someone through a locked door?
petrol?

> >
> > How gruesome do you want to get?
>
> Get back to reality.
>

The reality is Pistorius had a firearm, the girl didn't.
The girl is dead and there's a reasonable chance that
Pistorius will top himself before he goes to trial.
Now that he's been released, hell have a lot to
think about and some easy options.

>
> >> It is illegal in Australia to own a gun for self-defense.
>
> > It is illegal to own a cricket bat for self defense as well.
>
>
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Quote the relevant law or retract that absurdity at once.

Here's one

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/act+127+1998+FIRST+0+N

[quote st]
(17) A side-handled baton or any other similar article consisting of a
baton, staff or rod that is made of any hard substance and has fitted
to one side a handle, whether or not that handle is permanently fixed,
but not including any such article that is produced and identified
as a children’s toy.
[quote fin]

When a cricket bat is intended to be used for self defense, it is a weapon.
Self defense is not a valid reason to have a weapon.

So if the cops come visitting and they ask you about a cricket bat
near the front door, you don't say it's there for self defense, you say you
were playing cricket and haven't put it away yet.

[Spartan613]

"bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message

news:49795e64-dda5-4180...@qm17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>> "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>> > "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>>
>> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
>>
>> >> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14
>> >> February,
>> >> Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
>> >> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun
>> >> through
>> >> the door of the small bathroom.
>>
>> >> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.
>>
>> > Seems a gun in the house didn't save her life.
>>
>> > So much for gun nut propaganda.
>>
>> We don't need you to keep proving how stupid you are...
>
> The gun nuts reckon that all citizens should have guns in their homes
> for self-defense.

If they choose.

That's the difference between "gun nuts" and communist control freaks....
the freedom to choose.

>
> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.

You really are this stupid. Aren't you?

Not much use if you don't have your gun with you when you need it.

Stupid wog.

> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>
> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.

You're just another example of how communism attracts useful idiots.

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aopbji...@mid.individual.net...

Guns radiate "evil" rays, do they?

And here was me thinking they're just mechanical constructs.

>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>>>
>>
>> The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
>> with killing the girl.
>
> Yeah, un upstanding citizen.

Made evil by the mystical power of guns, apparently.

I suppose you think fast cars make your dick grow big, too.

>>>
>>>
>>> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.
>>
>> I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
>> a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
>> society run by blacks.
>
> The truth is you can't tell who is nuts before they kill.

Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.

Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his father
and another person are asking for something to be done about mental health
laws.

They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one would
listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to death. With a
kitchen knife.

> So don't give us any bullshit that 'mental health checks' etc.

Don't give us any of your hoplophobic bullshit.

> could have avoided this murder. Having a gun under the
> bed made it all too easy to kill someone through a locked
> door.

He could just as easily hacked through with an axe and still killed her.
Idiot.

> And that fuckwit child Spartan613 has gone very quiet about
> other possible self-defense weapons that kill through a locked door.

Axes aren't defence weapons, but they'll still do the trick.

Of course, the elephant in the room that you're trying to ignore is that if
SHE had been armed, it would have been a very different outcome.

Bullets can go either way through a thin door.

> It is illegal in Australia to own a gun for self-defense.

It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for self-defence.

It's why the crooks are having a filed day.

Is that why you're so keen to maintain the status quo?

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aoq4q8...@mid.individual.net...

>
> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aed0964e-e648-488a...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:53:41 AM UTC+11, yaputya wrote:
>>> "regn" <regn.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e7269f72-9e63-4e9b...@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > On Friday, February 22, 2013 8:52:02 PM UTC+11, bringyagrogalong
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> > "bringyagrogalong" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>>
>>
>>> >> That didn't seem to work for Pistorius' girlfriend.
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> > The girl doesn't seem to have had a gun and she was killed.
>>> > dial 000 (911) and die
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There was a gun under the bed.
>>>
>> Any gun that may or may not have been under the bed
>> was not owned by the girl.
>>
>>
>>> She didn't pick it up. Oscar did and went for her.
>>> Have a loasded gun in the house and die.
>>>
>> The exact circumstances have not been resolved as to
>> whether it was loaded, whether she knew it was there,
>> whether it may have been under the bed or why.
>>
>> She didn't have a firearm
>> She is now dead.
>
> There was a firearm in the house.

And she could have still been killed with a kitchen knife..

> She is now dead.

Because she didn't have one.

> QED
>
> Should every wife/lover have a hidden weapon in case their spouse goes
> nuts?
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> In fact it was the gun in the home that killed her.
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > The firearm is not being charged. The police have charged Pistorius
>>> > with killing the girl.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, un upstanding citizen.
>>
>> No, Pistorius killed her, he is being charged for the
>> murder. The Firearm did not kill her.
>
> Cause of death gunshot wounds. Go figure Einstein.....
>
>>
>> There is still to be resolved the part
>> the cricket bat played in being used to kill her.
>
> Perhaps, but why would you shoot 4 times through a closed door
> if you had already killed the victim???
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> Just another example as to why gun control is needed urgently.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I suspect Pistorius killing the girlfriend will be found to be
>>> > a mental health issue combined with living in a violent
>>> > society run by blacks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The truth is you can't tell who is nuts before they kill.
>>>
>>
>> Most nuts don't kill.
>
> Nuts with guns do all too often.

Nuts don't need guns, fucktard. A box of matches will do.

>>> So don't give us any bullshit that 'mental health checks' etc.
>>> could have avoided this murder. Having a gun under the
>>> bed made it all too easy to kill someone through a locked
>>> door.
>>
>> Witnesses say she was alive when carried downstairs so it
>> has yet to be resolved she was killed in the locked bathroom.
>
> No excuse for shooting through a locked door, you are commiting
> first degree murder, that much is clear. Pisto may get off the maximum
> possible sentence but you don't have any excuse to execute someone
> who is sitting on your toilet.

Thanks for that legal insight, Captain Obvious.

>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And that fuckwit child Spartan613 has gone very quiet about
>>> other possible self-defense weapons that kill through a locked door.
>>>
>>
>> I have a "Bear Alaskan" bow that would fuck up people behind a
>> lot of external doors, let alone internal ones. Failing that,
>> I have tomatoe stakes, star posts, fire extinguishers, I even
>> got an extension chain saw that hangs off the whipper snipper.
>
> And I suppose you keep all these instruments at the ready under the bed?

What difference does where something is stored make?

I keep knives in the kitchen drawer. Do you hind that amusing too?

> ROTFLMFHO!!!!
>
>
>>
>> How gruesome do you want to get?
>
> Get back to reality.

He was.

You're the fucktard in denial.

>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is illegal in Australia to own a gun for self-defense.
>>
>> It is illegal to own a cricket bat for self defense as well.
>
> Bullshit.

You really that fucking stupid?

> Quote the relevant law or retract that absurdity at once.

Looks like you are.

It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of self-defence.

Once again, you're out of your depth.

Best you just fuck off, clown.

[Dechucka]

snip

> Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.
>
> Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his father
> and another person are asking for something to be done about mental health
> laws.
>
> They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one
> would listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to death.
> With a kitchen knife.

imagine if he had easy access to a gun he could really have run amok.

Good example of how our laws benefit society as a whole

snip

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:M5ednaNFBOPfkrXM...@westnet.com.au...

> snip
>
>> Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.
>>
>> Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his
>> father and another person are asking for something to be done about
>> mental health laws.
>>
>> They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one
>> would listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to death.
>> With a kitchen knife.
>
> imagine if he had easy access to a gun he could really have run amok.

Why? All he needed was knife.

When are you starting your campaign to control kitchen utensils?

> Good example of how our laws benefit society as a whole

Not if you were the psycho's victims.

You have no idea how reprehensible you are. Do you?

--
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not
want merely because you think it would be good for him".

Robert A. Heinlein.

>

> snip

[Dechucka]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

news:YaYVs.3937$Ow3...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:M5ednaNFBOPfkrXM...@westnet.com.au...
>> snip
>>
>>> Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his
>>> father and another person are asking for something to be done about
>>> mental health laws.
>>>
>>> They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one
>>> would listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to
>>> death. With a kitchen knife.
>>
>> imagine if he had easy access to a gun he could really have run amok.
>
> Why? All he needed was knife.
>
> When are you starting your campaign to control kitchen utensils?

so much easier with a gun

>
>> Good example of how our laws benefit society as a whole
>
> Not if you were the psycho's victims.

true but so muh better for all the other potenial victims

>
> You have no idea how reprehensible you are. Do you?

I'm not

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:HpWdnfQc5L6xyLXM...@westnet.com.au...

Yeah, you are.

[Dechucka]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

news:3lZVs.3794$1k5...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HpWdnfQc5L6xyLXM...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>> news:YaYVs.3937$Ow3...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:M5ednaNFBOPfkrXM...@westnet.com.au...
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his
>>>>> father and another person are asking for something to be done about
>>>>> mental health laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one
>>>>> would listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to
>>>>> death. With a kitchen knife.
>>>>
>>>> imagine if he had easy access to a gun he could really have run amok.
>>>
>>> Why? All he needed was knife.
>>>
>>> When are you starting your campaign to control kitchen utensils?
>>
>> so much easier with a gun
>>
>>>
>>>> Good example of how our laws benefit society as a whole
>>>
>>> Not if you were the psycho's victims.
>>
>> true but so muh better for all the other potenial victims
>>
>>>
>>> You have no idea how reprehensible you are. Do you?
>>
>> I'm not
>
> Yeah, you are.

great retort NOT

[regn]

On Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:35:30 PM UTC+11, Dechucka wrote:
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>
> news:YaYVs.3937$Ow3...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
> > "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > news:M5ednaNFBOPfkrXM...@westnet.com.au...
>
> >> snip
>
> >>
>
> >>> Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his
>
> >>> father and another person are asking for something to be done about
>
> >>> mental health laws.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one
>
> >>> would listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to
>
> >>> death. With a kitchen knife.
>
> >>
>
> >> imagine if he had easy access to a gun he could really have run amok.
>
> >
>
> > Why? All he needed was knife.
>
> >
>
> > When are you starting your campaign to control kitchen utensils?
>
>
>
> so much easier with a gun
>

Killed plenty have you?
The Nazis in WW2 upgraded to gas chambers because using guns
was too hard on the troops.

I have seen a few first time hunter/killers freak when the beast doesn't
just collapse in a dead heap at the magical pulling of the trigger.

[John-Melb]

On Feb 23, 5:45 pm, "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3lZVs.3794$1k5...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:HpWdnfQc5L6xyLXM...@westnet.com.au...
>
> >> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
> >>news:YaYVs.3937$Ow3...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

> >>> "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:M5ednaNFBOPfkrXM...@westnet.com.au...
> >>>> snip
>
> >>>>> Says you. But you'd be wrong. Again.
>
> >>>>> Meanwhile, in Australia, the family of a mental case who killed his
> >>>>> father and another person are asking for something to be done about
> >>>>> mental health laws.
>
> >>>>> They'd been trying for years to have the psycho committed, but no one
> >>>>> would listen to them. And then he stabbed his father and sister to
> >>>>> death. With a kitchen knife.
>
> >>>> imagine if he had easy access to a gun he could really have run amok.
>
> >>> Why? All he needed was knife.
>
> >>> When are you starting your campaign to control kitchen utensils?
>
> >> so much easier with a gun
>
> >>>> Good example of how our laws benefit society as a whole
>
> >>> Not if you were the psycho's victims.
>
> >> true but so muh better for all the other potenial victims
>
> >>> You have no idea how reprehensible you are. Do you?
>
> >> I'm not
>
> > Yeah, you are.
>
> great retort NOT

Shouldn't you be doing homework of something?

[yaputya]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message news:KaUVs.3929$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

> It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of self-defence.

Under what law?
Please quote the relevant law or admit you are wrong!

>
> Once again, you're out of your depth.

Hardly, you are really looking pretty stupid in this exchange.
Grow up yozu ignorant bastard and post the law about cricket bats etc.

[Dechucka]

snip

not
>
> > Yeah, you are.
>
> great retort NOT

Shouldn't you be doing homework of something?

=======================================

kids have finished so don't need help

[Spartan613]

"yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
> news:KaUVs.3929$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
>> It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
>> self-defence.
>
> Under what law?

The Firearms Act 1996.

> Please quote the relevant law or admit you are wrong!

Now go fuck yourself with a cheese grater.

--
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not
want merely because you think it would be good for him".

Robert A. Heinlein.


>
>>

[Dechucka]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

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> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aosnab...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>> news:KaUVs.3929$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>
>>> It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
>>> self-defence.
>>
>> Under what law?
>
> The Firearms Act 1996.

really whereabouts? I thought I knew it rather well but don't know of any
reference to yaps comments?

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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See if you can find "self-defence" as a legitimate reason to obtain a
firearm (if you don't work in the security industry).

After that, go to your local police station and ask them if self-defence is
a lawful reason to buy a cricket bat.

[Dechucka]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

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> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:K-KdnQMqx431FLTM...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>> news:WMfWs.3826$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>>> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:aosnab...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:KaUVs.3929$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>>
>>>>> It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
>>>>> self-defence.
>>>>
>>>> Under what law?
>>>
>>> The Firearms Act 1996.
>>
>> really whereabouts? I thought I knew it rather well but don't know of any
>> reference to yaps comments?
>
> See if you can find "self-defence" as a legitimate reason to obtain a
> firearm (if you don't work in the security industry).

You really are dumb aren't you, the firearm Act 1996 makes no comment about
it being illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
self-defence.

>

> After that, go to your local police station and ask them if self-defence
> is a lawful reason to buy a cricket bat.

So you can't name the Law that you claim meant it is illegal to own ANYTHING
in Australia for the purpose of self-defense.

[Dechucka]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Actually a self defense "defense" is quite interesting as the onus is on the
prosecution to disprove it ( well in NSW )
>

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
> news:nQgWs.3973$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:K-KdnQMqx431FLTM...@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>>> news:WMfWs.3826$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>> "yaputya" <yaputya....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:aosnab...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KaUVs.3929$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
>>>>>> self-defence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under what law?
>>>>
>>>> The Firearms Act 1996.
>>>
>>> really whereabouts? I thought I knew it rather well but don't know of
>>> any reference to yaps comments?
>>
>> See if you can find "self-defence" as a legitimate reason to obtain a
>> firearm (if you don't work in the security industry).
>
> You really are dumb aren't you, the firearm Act 1996 makes no comment
> about it being illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
> self-defence.

Then where does it say "self-defence" is a justification for a Permit To
Acquire?

>>
>> After that, go to your local police station and ask them if self-defence
>> is a lawful reason to buy a cricket bat.
>
> So you can't name the Law that you claim meant it is illegal to own
> ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of self-defense.

Walk down Pitt St with a machete. When the cops ask you why you have it, say
"self defence". Enjoy spending the rest of the day in the watch house.

[Dechucka]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

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you don't need a permit to acquie an "ANYTHING" in most cases

>
>>>
>>> After that, go to your local police station and ask them if self-defence
>>> is a lawful reason to buy a cricket bat.
>>
>> So you can't name the Law that you claim meant it is illegal to own
>> ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of self-defense.
>
> Walk down Pitt St with a machete. When the cops ask you why you have it,
> say "self defence". Enjoy spending the rest of the day in the watch house.

so you were wrong in your statement. The law in fact doesn't state what may
or may not be used for self defense

[John-Melb]

On Feb 24, 3:50 pm, "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
>
> news:nQgWs.3973$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:K-KdnQMqx431FLTM...@westnet.com.au...
>
> >> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
> >>news:WMfWs.3826$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> >>> "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:aosnab...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >>>> "Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:KaUVs.3929$Ow3....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>
> >>>>> It's illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
> >>>>> self-defence.
>
> >>>> Under what law?
>
> >>> The Firearms Act 1996.
>
> >> really whereabouts? I thought I knew it rather well but don't know of any
> >> reference to yaps comments?
>
> > See if you can find "self-defence" as a legitimate reason to obtain a
> > firearm (if you don't work in the security industry).
>
> You really are dumb aren't you, the firearm Act 1996 makes no comment about
> it being illegal to own ANYTHING in Australia for the purpose of
> self-defence.
>
>
>
> > After that, go to your local police station and ask them if self-defence
> > is a lawful reason to buy a cricket bat.
>
> So you can't name the Law that you claim meant it is illegal to own ANYTHING
> in Australia for the purpose of self-defense.

Victorian Control of Weapons Act 1990

(3) In this section lawful excuse includes-

(a) the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity; and

(b) participation in any lawful sport, recreation or
entertainment; and

(c) the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons-

but does not include for the purpose of self-defence.

[Dechucka]

"John-Melb" <mcnama...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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=========================================

that applies to guns not "ANYTHING"

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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"Self-defence" is not a justification to acquire or carry anything.

Put it to the test. I dare you.

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Test it.

Get an axe, walk down Pitt Street with it. When the cops ask you why, tell
them "self defence".

Enjoy your stay in the watch house.

[John-Melb]

On Feb 25, 12:29 pm, "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "John-Melb" <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Read the Act idiot, the control of weapons act doesn't apply to guns,
it applies to virtually anything that can be used as a weapon.

[John-Melb]

On Feb 25, 12:29 pm, "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> that applies to guns not "ANYTHING"

The following copy and paste comes from the Victoria Police website
and is posted here as a personal favour to Dechucka, our much loved
resident idiot who has so many opinions and no bloody idea on the
subject he is pontificating about.

==========================================================================
The Control of Weapons Act 1990 divides non-firearm weapons into three
basic categories; prohibited weapons, controlled weapons and dangerous
articles.

Prohibited weapons

Prohibited weapons are weapons that are considered inappropriate for
general possession and use without a Governor in Council Exemption
Order or a Chief Commissioner Approval.

Click here for a full list of prohibited weapons.

Note: accompanying images are examples of the types of prohibited
weapons listed - they are not definitive.

Click here for an informational poster concerning prohibited weapons.

Body Armour

Body armour is a garment or item:

(a) that is designed, intended or adapted for the purpose of
protecting the body from the effects of a weapon, including a firearm,
or

(b) that is prescribed by the regulations to be body armour.

Click here for further information regarding body armour, batons &
handcuffs

Controlled Weapons

Controlled weapons are weapons that can be used for legitimate
purposes but require regulation because of the possible danger they
pose to the community. This category of weapon includes knives that
while not considered prohibited weapons, still are a potential danger
to the community.

A person must not possess, carry or use a controlled weapon without
lawful excuse. Lawful excuse includes:

a) the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity

b) participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment, and

c) the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapon.

Lawful excuse does not include for the purpose of self-defence.

Click here for a full list of controlled weapons.

Note: accompanying images are examples of the types of controlled
weapons listed - they are not definitive.

Click here for an informational poster concerning controlled weapons.

Dangerous Articles

Dangerous articles are any item which is either:

carried with the intention of being used as a weapon, or
adapted or modified so as to be capable of being used as a weapon.
Dangerous articles can include things that are otherwise lawful. For
example, everyday tools, household items or sports equipment etc.

A person must not possess or carry dangerous articles in a public
place without lawful excuse.

Lawful excuse includes:

a) the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity

b) participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment

c) the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of the article,
and

d) the use of the article for the purpose for which it is designed or
intended.

Lawful excuse does not include for the purpose of self-defence.

The following images are examples of dangerous articles - they are not
definitive.

[stinking cunt]

On 20 Feb, 00:08, "yaputya" <yaputya.leftle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why guns are so dangerous...........
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21503370
> Prosecutor Gerrie Nel told the court that on the evening of 14 February, Mr Pistorius - a double amputee - had got up from bed, put
> on his prostheses, walked seven metres (24ft) and fired his gun through the door of the small bathroom.
>
> He shot four times and hit Ms Steenkamp three times, Mr Nel said.

I find this story so sad ! The way I see it is that poor poor woman
just wanted to snap one off in private.
Oscar must have found her stink offensive , thus the outcome.

[Dechucka]

"Spartan613" <nos...@buggeroff.com> wrote in message

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it is not against the law as you claimed

[Spartan613]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Then put it to the test.

[F Murtz]

Is it not funny that,provided with facts, discussion along these lines
have ceased?

[regn]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:29:37 PM UTC+11, F Murtz wrote:
> John-Melb wrote:
>
> > On Feb 25, 12:29 pm, "Dechucka" <Dechuck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> that applies to guns not "ANYTHING"
>
> >

>

> > Lawful excuse does not include for the purpose of self-defence.
> >
> > The following images are examples of dangerous articles - they are not
> > definitive.
> >
> Is it not funny that,provided with facts, discussion along these lines
> have ceased?

It comes as a shock that a simple `given' that we have a right to have
tools available for self defense has been taken away by our Government and it is unlawful to have tools for self defense.

Our only `right' is to call 000/911 and die waiting.

and if the situation is hairy, the boss cops will sit and evaluate the
OH&S (occupational health and safety) risks and you really _are_ on
your own.

An anti gunner, presented with the stark reality of just how fn#ked
over Australians have let themselves become and that those
`eevil gun nuts` might have a valid reason to be outraged might even
result in a life changing change of opinion.

They might ask themselves why they trust their neighbours to drive cars, trucks,
planes, store petrol and sports equipment etc etc but don't trust them with
a firearm. It's a sympton of an irrational fear that is spreading. Other symptoms are 6 foot high fences, driving children to school and a general mania to overprotect children in general.