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fasgnadh
Mar 17, 2012, 6:11:25 PM3/17/12
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How long can a Big Lie last?
We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
Some of us new already while it was being told.
We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
religion to garner popular support.
And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
has endured and spread for 1433 years.
The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
has endured and spread for 2012 years.
The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
THOUSAND YEARS.
Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
Now the standard tactic of atheist liars if I mention either of those
three facts, is to accuse me of being a Muslim, a 'Christer' or a Jew.
But such tactics of deceit, slandering the messenger because they
acnnot rationally debate the message, contradict each other! B^]
And so their lies don't even last for SECONDS! B^D
I generally use the history of the early Christian church more
often than that of early Islam, or Judaism, because that is the
one most familiar to most of my audience, (who are generally
ignorant of all three).
Truth persists.
Truth endures.
Truth transforms.
Truth is voluntarily taken up by MILLIONS of people every year.
Truth outlasts EVEN the numerous attempts to pervert, corrupt and
overthrow it, from WITHIN, (which explains all the witchburnings,
inquisitions and other POWER PLAYS by those who distorted the message
for their own ends)
The atheists will say
"but many false things are taken up as true every day"
....but none of them last for five thousand years.
The religious are aware of the periods of the mistakes (due to
ignorance) and the deliberate corrupting (due to personal gain)
but they do not throw out the spiritual baby with the religious bathwater.
Humans replace any failed hypothesis about reality with a better one,
as soon as it comes along.
The atheists always point to the Era of Colonialism (when Missionaries
accompanied the expanding Imperial conquests (driven by the desire for
Empire, treasure and trade)) and claim that religion was forced on
people. But when atheism was forced on people they threw it off.
When Nazism was forced on people they threw it off.
Victims of the age of Colonialism ultimately threw ofF the yoke of
Imperial domination, and gained political freedom, but they KEPT THE
FAITH! B^]
To understand the real dynamic you need to look at the Early Church,
when it had NO POWER.
11 of the Apostles were martyred, 3 crucified, 2 fell to the sword,
one beaten to death while praying for his attackers, 1 flayed alive,
then crucified, 2 speared, 1 stoned to death and 1 sawed in half.
Why would ANYONE persist?
You can't even get atheists to put their money where their mouths are
if you offer them FREE PLANE FARES to any atheist state of their choice!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
I know, because I've offered to pass the hat around for any
of them willing to leave these 'oppressive' secular democracies which
MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies have built and go live in atheist Nth
Korea, but none of them seem keen to EAT GRASS in yet another atheist
FAMINE, where the nation which prints "IN GOD WE TRUST" on it's copious
amounts of currency, provides them food aid to survive!!!!!
Finally, brethren,
whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise,
think on these things.
Now that is so PROFOUNDLY original, illuminating,
transformative and true, that for two thousand years
it has inspired, created and sustained the free, open
tolerant, progressive, prosperous secular democracies
built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS people.. in which even the
atheists among us PREFER TO LIVE!
Q.E.D.
It is time they showed some gratitude, as we rational agnostics
are not just prepared, but willing, to do.
It is not about PROVING or DISPROVING God... leave that to Theology,
it's a matter of personal belief, pointless to argue over.
IT is about people deciding, on the evidence of their own eyes,
how the followers of any system of beliefs, any ideology...
TREAT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.
The history of Atheist States proves Atheism is a complete FAIL!
The evolution of understanding within religious communities
over centuries, informed by science, with which there is harmony,
as evidenced by the VAST preponderance of theist scientists throughout
history, has built the civilisation we enjoy.
---------
Atheists are in retreat:
Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
# - Richard Dawkins
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;
# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
as a religion:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
fasgnadh
Mar 18, 2012, 1:54:59 AM3/18/12
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Davej snipped and ran from the evidence:
> messages
Yes and no.
Compare the core teachings of the three and tell us if the single most
important commandment in each is not Love of and Obedience to God.
Oh, and of course they worship the SAME God.
Now Jesus said he had not come to change the Law and the Prophets.
So the teaching remained the same.
Christianity is basically Judaism taken to the gentiles. ;-)
And Mohammed(PBUH) declared that Issa (Jesus) was a messenger of God,
just as Mohammed himself was.
So are you sure you aren't responding to cultural differences rather
than the actual teachings of each religions founder?
The core teaching is the same but it is always accompanied by specific
injunctions relevant to the time and place...
Just as we teach Math to primary school, secondary school and University
students, but we do it in different ways according to
their age and stage of development..
JUDAISM
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself..
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land...
thou shalt love him as thyself."
CHRISTIANITY
"A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another.
As I have loved you, so you shall love one another."
ISLAM
"Verily my love overcometh my anger."
> and none of them stand up to scrutiny.
You haven't demonstrated that, merely asserted it.
> They only exist because they were carefully
> crafted to appeal to cowards, fools, and
> buffoons,
If that was the case atheists would have joined.
Clearly all such sweeping judgements need to be based on evidence
and the evidence is that societies based on those spiritual teachings
inspired and sustained Judeao Christian Islamic civilisation, from which
we all benefit,
Whereas the alternative, atheism, produced only a handful of depraved
and short lived totalitarian tyrannies before catastrophically
collapsing, and leaving 80,000,000 dead, far worse than any religion.
So, given that we are describing a history of emerging from
primitive barbarism to the free, open, progressive, prosperous,
scientifically literate, technologically advanced, tolerant,
secular democracies built ONLY by majority religious societies,
NEVER by any atheist regime.. then religion is the comparative
winner in civilisation building and atheism is the preferred choice
of "cowards, fools, and buffoons"
> of which there is a nearly endless supply.
and whose numbers you help to swell.
Take the Vikings, their reputation has been coloured by the
Beserkers, and the fact that much of the received history
has been written by those the Vikings bothered.
But it is undoubtedly true that they pillaged the harmless
monks in their Monastries, and coastal villages in Britain and the
continent, (as well as trading and intermarrying with them, at times)
But here's the interesting point:
"Most scholars today believe that Viking attacks on
Christian churches had nothing to do with religion,
but more to do with the fact that monasteries were
typically both wealthy and poorly defended, making
them an easy target for plunder.
The Vikings came into contact with Christianity
through their raids, and when they settled in lands
with a Christian population, they adopted Christianity
quite quickly. This was true in Normandy, Ireland,
and throughout the British Isles. Although contemporary
accounts say little about this, we can see it in the
archaeological evidence. Pagans buried their dead
with grave goods, but Christians normally didn't,
and this makes it relatively easy to spot the
change in religion.
As well as conversion abroad, the Viking Age also
saw a gradual conversion in Scandinavia itself,
as Anglo-Saxon and German missionaries arrived
to convert the pagans. By the mid-11th century,
Christianity was well established in Denmark and
most of Norway."
Now we are familiar with the terror that large Viking warriors
raised on a diet rich in seafood protein had on weedy little
English farmers, raised on a diet of turnips.. but HOW THE HELL
did these monks, arriving on their own, with nothing but a book,
convert these fierce warriors, and their wives, to Christianity?
1. Clearly it was NOT a forcible conversion.
2. They already knew from raids that the Christian communities were
prosperous, i.e. economically advanced.
3. The book, advanced technology, rarer than iPads today, marked
the Christians as progressive leaders in technology, and the contents
clearly impressed them.. it contained ways to organise and run
communities in advance of their own, and so they adopted it.
4. They already knew that the Christian Monastries were VULNERABLE to
attack (having pillaged and burnt them) so they were knowingly
embrasing a set of ideas and beliefs (love forgiveness mercy)
that made them vulnerable to aggression, but the rewards were
seen to clearly outweigh that risk.
They were Freemen, and women, making a free choice because they could
see and assess the ADVANTAGES... it was a RATIONAL act.
That in microcosm is the experience of people throughout history,
and it continues in this era.
Go and find some Post Mao Era Chinese, professionals attending
home churches in Shanghai and Guangzhou, the bustling dynamos
that are currently replacing New York as the global cultural centre
and listen to them explain why over 300,000,000 of them see it as the
logical progression from the Spirit of Le Feng, (a Peoples Army
soldier, now deceased, admired for his spirit of self sacrifice
and helping others). They want that spirit of co-operation,
threatened by rising Materialism, to be cherished and revived,
but without the spirit of Obedience to the Party which is so
deeply distrusted.. and so naturally when they hear the teachings of
Jesus, they find just that.
China is undergoing a MASSIVE spiritual ferment, and it is hardly
surprising, because while many in the West have forgotten, to their
cost, the Chinese understand that the FIRST and MOST FUNDAMENTAL
FREEDOM is the freedom to think and believe (including the right to NOT
believe!)
As THAT right has been progressively asserted, China's progress has
exploded, and increasingly other rights are asserted!
As the First Temple at Gobekli Tepe demonstrates, overturning our
previous misconceptions about the Neolithic; "We used to think
agriculture gave rise to cities and later to writing, art, and religion.
Now the world’s oldest temple suggests the urge to worship sparked
civilization."
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
To be a member of a state approved church in China means that
freedom is LIMITED.. they cannot discuss certain matters..
a remnant of the atheist tyranny during Mao's Cultural Devolution and
Great Leap Backward...
So they form house churches, where they can say what they damn well
please.. subject, of course, to arrest at any time.. 8^o
some have grown so large they televise the discussions to other rooms.
That is how DYNAMIC and alive religion is in China.
If the atheists lived under such conditions they might have something to
WHINE about!
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
> On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> How long can a Big Lie last?
>>
>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>
>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>
>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>
>> Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
>> institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
>> have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
>> religion to garner popular support.
>>
>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
>> has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>
>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>
> And that in itself is a lie because they are three very different
>>
>> How long can a Big Lie last?
>>
>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>
>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>
>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>
>> Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
>> institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
>> have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
>> religion to garner popular support.
>>
>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
>> has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>
>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>
> messages
Yes and no.
Compare the core teachings of the three and tell us if the single most
important commandment in each is not Love of and Obedience to God.
Oh, and of course they worship the SAME God.
Now Jesus said he had not come to change the Law and the Prophets.
So the teaching remained the same.
Christianity is basically Judaism taken to the gentiles. ;-)
And Mohammed(PBUH) declared that Issa (Jesus) was a messenger of God,
just as Mohammed himself was.
So are you sure you aren't responding to cultural differences rather
than the actual teachings of each religions founder?
The core teaching is the same but it is always accompanied by specific
injunctions relevant to the time and place...
Just as we teach Math to primary school, secondary school and University
students, but we do it in different ways according to
their age and stage of development..
JUDAISM
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself..
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land...
thou shalt love him as thyself."
CHRISTIANITY
"A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another.
As I have loved you, so you shall love one another."
ISLAM
"Verily my love overcometh my anger."
> and none of them stand up to scrutiny.
You haven't demonstrated that, merely asserted it.
> They only exist because they were carefully
> crafted to appeal to cowards, fools, and
> buffoons,
If that was the case atheists would have joined.
Clearly all such sweeping judgements need to be based on evidence
and the evidence is that societies based on those spiritual teachings
inspired and sustained Judeao Christian Islamic civilisation, from which
we all benefit,
Whereas the alternative, atheism, produced only a handful of depraved
and short lived totalitarian tyrannies before catastrophically
collapsing, and leaving 80,000,000 dead, far worse than any religion.
So, given that we are describing a history of emerging from
primitive barbarism to the free, open, progressive, prosperous,
scientifically literate, technologically advanced, tolerant,
secular democracies built ONLY by majority religious societies,
NEVER by any atheist regime.. then religion is the comparative
winner in civilisation building and atheism is the preferred choice
of "cowards, fools, and buffoons"
> of which there is a nearly endless supply.
and whose numbers you help to swell.
Take the Vikings, their reputation has been coloured by the
Beserkers, and the fact that much of the received history
has been written by those the Vikings bothered.
But it is undoubtedly true that they pillaged the harmless
monks in their Monastries, and coastal villages in Britain and the
continent, (as well as trading and intermarrying with them, at times)
But here's the interesting point:
"Most scholars today believe that Viking attacks on
Christian churches had nothing to do with religion,
but more to do with the fact that monasteries were
typically both wealthy and poorly defended, making
them an easy target for plunder.
The Vikings came into contact with Christianity
through their raids, and when they settled in lands
with a Christian population, they adopted Christianity
quite quickly. This was true in Normandy, Ireland,
and throughout the British Isles. Although contemporary
accounts say little about this, we can see it in the
archaeological evidence. Pagans buried their dead
with grave goods, but Christians normally didn't,
and this makes it relatively easy to spot the
change in religion.
As well as conversion abroad, the Viking Age also
saw a gradual conversion in Scandinavia itself,
as Anglo-Saxon and German missionaries arrived
to convert the pagans. By the mid-11th century,
Christianity was well established in Denmark and
most of Norway."
Now we are familiar with the terror that large Viking warriors
raised on a diet rich in seafood protein had on weedy little
English farmers, raised on a diet of turnips.. but HOW THE HELL
did these monks, arriving on their own, with nothing but a book,
convert these fierce warriors, and their wives, to Christianity?
1. Clearly it was NOT a forcible conversion.
2. They already knew from raids that the Christian communities were
prosperous, i.e. economically advanced.
3. The book, advanced technology, rarer than iPads today, marked
the Christians as progressive leaders in technology, and the contents
clearly impressed them.. it contained ways to organise and run
communities in advance of their own, and so they adopted it.
4. They already knew that the Christian Monastries were VULNERABLE to
attack (having pillaged and burnt them) so they were knowingly
embrasing a set of ideas and beliefs (love forgiveness mercy)
that made them vulnerable to aggression, but the rewards were
seen to clearly outweigh that risk.
They were Freemen, and women, making a free choice because they could
see and assess the ADVANTAGES... it was a RATIONAL act.
That in microcosm is the experience of people throughout history,
and it continues in this era.
Go and find some Post Mao Era Chinese, professionals attending
home churches in Shanghai and Guangzhou, the bustling dynamos
that are currently replacing New York as the global cultural centre
and listen to them explain why over 300,000,000 of them see it as the
logical progression from the Spirit of Le Feng, (a Peoples Army
soldier, now deceased, admired for his spirit of self sacrifice
and helping others). They want that spirit of co-operation,
threatened by rising Materialism, to be cherished and revived,
but without the spirit of Obedience to the Party which is so
deeply distrusted.. and so naturally when they hear the teachings of
Jesus, they find just that.
China is undergoing a MASSIVE spiritual ferment, and it is hardly
surprising, because while many in the West have forgotten, to their
cost, the Chinese understand that the FIRST and MOST FUNDAMENTAL
FREEDOM is the freedom to think and believe (including the right to NOT
believe!)
As THAT right has been progressively asserted, China's progress has
exploded, and increasingly other rights are asserted!
As the First Temple at Gobekli Tepe demonstrates, overturning our
previous misconceptions about the Neolithic; "We used to think
agriculture gave rise to cities and later to writing, art, and religion.
Now the world’s oldest temple suggests the urge to worship sparked
civilization."
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
To be a member of a state approved church in China means that
freedom is LIMITED.. they cannot discuss certain matters..
a remnant of the atheist tyranny during Mao's Cultural Devolution and
Great Leap Backward...
So they form house churches, where they can say what they damn well
please.. subject, of course, to arrest at any time.. 8^o
some have grown so large they televise the discussions to other rooms.
That is how DYNAMIC and alive religion is in China.
If the atheists lived under such conditions they might have something to
WHINE about!
DonH
Mar 18, 2012, 3:34:39 PM3/18/12
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"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:WZ79r.4695$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
# Religion survives partly due to Indoctrination, whereby each child is
taught to believe in the Sacred Texts of its Bible, Koran, or Talmud-Torah.
Thus is Error preserved intact, from generation to generation.
Also, Retroduction is the commonest form of Thinking among us Mad Apes -
we decide on a Conclusion, then argue backwards from that, to our Premises,
ignoring or suppressing undesirable facts or opinions.
Self-Preservation is the Strongest human Instinct, and thus, by
extrapolation, we want Eternal Life, and will cling to any straw to achieve
it.
So, while God (& Son) may never appear in the Office, the Eternal Life
Insurance industry forges on, and the Faithful turn up at Church, Mosque, or
Synagogue, to pray.
Still, the impact of a Secular, Sceptical, and Scientific Age, tends to
erode, and Doubt creeps in.
"fasgnadh" tries desperately to pin the adverse actions of the past onto
the present, but not all atheists can be tarred with the same brush.
Communism adopted the same mindset as most religions - sacred text,
orthodoxy, persecution of heretics, a (secular) utopia, etc.
The ultimate test is - where is God, Allah, or Yahweh? Exists? Or, a
mental aberration?
If you have a God, trot him out!
news:WZ79r.4695$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
taught to believe in the Sacred Texts of its Bible, Koran, or Talmud-Torah.
Thus is Error preserved intact, from generation to generation.
Also, Retroduction is the commonest form of Thinking among us Mad Apes -
we decide on a Conclusion, then argue backwards from that, to our Premises,
ignoring or suppressing undesirable facts or opinions.
Self-Preservation is the Strongest human Instinct, and thus, by
extrapolation, we want Eternal Life, and will cling to any straw to achieve
it.
So, while God (& Son) may never appear in the Office, the Eternal Life
Insurance industry forges on, and the Faithful turn up at Church, Mosque, or
Synagogue, to pray.
Still, the impact of a Secular, Sceptical, and Scientific Age, tends to
erode, and Doubt creeps in.
"fasgnadh" tries desperately to pin the adverse actions of the past onto
the present, but not all atheists can be tarred with the same brush.
Communism adopted the same mindset as most religions - sacred text,
orthodoxy, persecution of heretics, a (secular) utopia, etc.
The ultimate test is - where is God, Allah, or Yahweh? Exists? Or, a
mental aberration?
If you have a God, trot him out!
felix_unger
Mar 18, 2012, 9:40:12 PM3/18/12
to
On 19-March-2012 6:34 AM, DonH wrote:
> "fasgnadh"<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:WZ79r.4695$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>> <snip for brevity>
> "fasgnadh"<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:WZ79r.4695$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
> "fasgnadh" tries desperately to pin the adverse actions of the past onto
> the present, but not all atheists can be tarred with the same brush.
> Communism adopted the same mindset as most religions - sacred text,
> orthodoxy, persecution of heretics, a (secular) utopia, etc.
never take notice of what ppl say, only what they do, and the historical
record for atheism is not good, but neither is it good for religion.
>
> The ultimate test is - where is God, Allah, or Yahweh? Exists? Or, a
> mental aberration?
> If you have a God, trot him out!
--
rgds,
Pete
-------
"No obligation exists for anyone to decide the existence of a spiritual realm"
"Myself when young did eagerly frequent, doctor and saint and heard great argument, thought it about but evermore, came out the same door wherein I went" -The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám
fasgnadh
Mar 19, 2012, 7:45:23 AM3/19/12
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Immortalist demonstrates "quote mining" and then damns it: B^D
>
> Vurgil changed the subject to "How Long Can fasgnadh's Lie Last?":
>
> But Vurgil hasn't shown any lie by me.
>
A classic example of "quote mining" by Immortalist, stripped not only
of all context, supporting facts and rational argument..
and stripped of appropriate attributions.
Immortalist then goes on to condemn his own practice
> The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as
> "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of
> false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding
> matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.
If you feel so strongly about it, why do you and every atheist
in USENET do it? Apart from atheist hypocrisy, that is. B^]
When atheists quote, or in your stupid terms 'quote mine' the Bible,
you quote out of context, you never quote the whole text. B^p
So, carry on condemning YOURSELVES, you stupid hypocrites.
> Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw
> man argument, which is frequently found in politics,
Such as Bukakke claiming to have 'Disproved creation' and when
it is easily demonstrated that creation occurs, from babies to that
post you just created, Bukakke creates(snigger) a strawman argument
pretending that I am a fundie Christian who is defending CreationISM..
..a classic Straw man argument, employed by intellectually dishonest
atheists when they can't defend their nonsensical propositions and
so they simply try to CHANGE the subject, and wrestle, not with their
opponents views.. but with their own STRAWMAN CREATION! B^D
Priceless!
> it involves quoting an opponent out of
> context in order to misrepresent their
> position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in
> order to make it easier to refute.
But Dawkins, in an article which started out discussing the Sci Fi
FANTASY of Dyson and moved to an extraordinary claim by Dawkins
that
"Its highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like creatures."
Are you now saying that what Dawkins meant is that it's unlikely
that there are God like creatures?
Because the claim he is making IS CLEAR and unambiguous.
He's saying that what Dyson described as future fantasy is not
ridiculous IMAGINATION.. but that God is plausible.
Today, tomorrow, in the far distant future, millennia ago..
the Time frame is simply unimportant.. if Dawkin's claims that
the existence of God is plausible, then the theists are right.
If Dawkin's and all the rest of you Atheist BELIEVERS in his cult
are right in thinking the existence of God is PLAUSIBLE at some time,
then it's plausible NOW.
Q.E.D.
> As an appeal to authority, it
> involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order
> to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.
Dawkin's shifted from discussing Dyson's Future Fantasy
to a categorical claim that "these Gods" exist, and that,
in his view, they EVOLVED; pfffft
Here is his claim, the context does not modify it's meaning,
it is clear and unambiguous:
"It's very important to understand that these Gods came into
being by an explicable scientific progression of incremental
evolution."
If, in this sentence, Dawkins was referring to the Future
he would have said "These Gods could come into being..."
because not even a man as arrogant and full of hubris as Profit
Dawkins can claim to PREDICT the course of evolution (unless he,
and you gullible acolytes think he IS God B^) ..
It would be as irrational to claim "These Gods WILL come into being..
as it is to claim "These Gods came into being.." because, you
unbelievably THICK morons.. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING
EITHER OF THOSE CATEGORICAL CLAIMS.
Time shifting the CLAIM does not magically manifest any PROOF.
IT is the lack of proof which makes Dawkin's claim a BELIEF,
just like the belief that all the theists have!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
The ONLY difference between the theists and Vurgil, is that
Vurgil believes God exists in the FUTURE only (he suffers
from Premature Immaculation! B^)
while the theists, understanding that, by definition, God
is the Alpha and Omega, spanning all time, and existing outside it
as well, don't care WHEN the atheists accept there is a God,
they just WELCOME ALL YOU FOLLOWERS OF PROFIT DAWKINS INTO THE FOLD
of BELIEVERS!
Will some ex-atheist give me an AMEN!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
> Contextomy refers to the selective excerpting of words from their
> original linguistic context in a way that distorts the source’s
> intended meaning,
Every atheist who has ever responded to one of my posts,
except DonH, has done that.
> a practice commonly referred to as "quoting out of
> context".
So .. go hang yourselves, you flaming HYPOCRITES! B ^]
>
> Vurgil changed the subject to "How Long Can fasgnadh's Lie Last?":
>
> But Vurgil hasn't shown any lie by me.
>
A classic example of "quote mining" by Immortalist, stripped not only
of all context, supporting facts and rational argument..
and stripped of appropriate attributions.
Immortalist then goes on to condemn his own practice
> The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as
> "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of
> false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding
> matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.
If you feel so strongly about it, why do you and every atheist
in USENET do it? Apart from atheist hypocrisy, that is. B^]
When atheists quote, or in your stupid terms 'quote mine' the Bible,
you quote out of context, you never quote the whole text. B^p
So, carry on condemning YOURSELVES, you stupid hypocrites.
> Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw
> man argument, which is frequently found in politics,
Such as Bukakke claiming to have 'Disproved creation' and when
it is easily demonstrated that creation occurs, from babies to that
post you just created, Bukakke creates(snigger) a strawman argument
pretending that I am a fundie Christian who is defending CreationISM..
..a classic Straw man argument, employed by intellectually dishonest
atheists when they can't defend their nonsensical propositions and
so they simply try to CHANGE the subject, and wrestle, not with their
opponents views.. but with their own STRAWMAN CREATION! B^D
Priceless!
> it involves quoting an opponent out of
> context in order to misrepresent their
> position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in
> order to make it easier to refute.
But Dawkins, in an article which started out discussing the Sci Fi
FANTASY of Dyson and moved to an extraordinary claim by Dawkins
that
"Its highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like creatures."
Are you now saying that what Dawkins meant is that it's unlikely
that there are God like creatures?
Because the claim he is making IS CLEAR and unambiguous.
He's saying that what Dyson described as future fantasy is not
ridiculous IMAGINATION.. but that God is plausible.
Today, tomorrow, in the far distant future, millennia ago..
the Time frame is simply unimportant.. if Dawkin's claims that
the existence of God is plausible, then the theists are right.
If Dawkin's and all the rest of you Atheist BELIEVERS in his cult
are right in thinking the existence of God is PLAUSIBLE at some time,
then it's plausible NOW.
Q.E.D.
> As an appeal to authority, it
> involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order
> to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.
Dawkin's shifted from discussing Dyson's Future Fantasy
to a categorical claim that "these Gods" exist, and that,
in his view, they EVOLVED; pfffft
Here is his claim, the context does not modify it's meaning,
it is clear and unambiguous:
"It's very important to understand that these Gods came into
being by an explicable scientific progression of incremental
evolution."
If, in this sentence, Dawkins was referring to the Future
he would have said "These Gods could come into being..."
because not even a man as arrogant and full of hubris as Profit
Dawkins can claim to PREDICT the course of evolution (unless he,
and you gullible acolytes think he IS God B^) ..
It would be as irrational to claim "These Gods WILL come into being..
as it is to claim "These Gods came into being.." because, you
unbelievably THICK morons.. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING
EITHER OF THOSE CATEGORICAL CLAIMS.
Time shifting the CLAIM does not magically manifest any PROOF.
IT is the lack of proof which makes Dawkin's claim a BELIEF,
just like the belief that all the theists have!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
The ONLY difference between the theists and Vurgil, is that
Vurgil believes God exists in the FUTURE only (he suffers
from Premature Immaculation! B^)
while the theists, understanding that, by definition, God
is the Alpha and Omega, spanning all time, and existing outside it
as well, don't care WHEN the atheists accept there is a God,
they just WELCOME ALL YOU FOLLOWERS OF PROFIT DAWKINS INTO THE FOLD
of BELIEVERS!
Will some ex-atheist give me an AMEN!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
> Contextomy refers to the selective excerpting of words from their
> original linguistic context in a way that distorts the source’s
> intended meaning,
Every atheist who has ever responded to one of my posts,
except DonH, has done that.
> a practice commonly referred to as "quoting out of
> context".
So .. go hang yourselves, you flaming HYPOCRITES! B ^]
fasgnadh
Mar 19, 2012, 8:06:08 AM3/19/12
to
Immortalist has denounced quote mining, which Virgil practises:
> On Mar 17, 4:12 pm, Vurgil<Vur...@arg.erg> wrote:
>> In article<WZ79r.4695$%E2.4...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
Vurgil the hypocrite posted this quote out of context, something
which he and the other atheist hypocrites refer to as
QUOTE MINING..
>> with deliberate intent to deceive,
>> taken from the complete sentence:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
# From: Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.philosophy,talk.atheism,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: How Long Can a Lie Last? Chapter 1.
# Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
# Organization: http://groups.google.com
# Message-ID:
<2327f9e7-969c-4c03...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as
# "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of
# false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding
# matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.
#
# Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw
# man argument, which is frequently found in politics, it involves
# quoting an opponent out of context in order to misrepresent their
# position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in
# order to make it easier to refute. As an appeal to authority, it
# involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order
# to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.
#
# Contextomy refers to the selective excerpting of words from their
# original linguistic context in a way that distorts the source=92s
# intended meaning, a practice commonly referred to as "quoting out of
# context". The problem here is not the removal of a quote from its
# original context (as all quotes are) per se, but to the quoter's
# decision to exclude from the excerpt certain nearby phrases or
# sentences (which become "context" by virtue of the exclusion) that
# serve to clarify the intentions behind the selected words. Comparing
# this practice to surgical excision, journalist Milton Mayer coined the
# term "contextomy" to describe its use by Julius Streicher, editor of
# the infamous Nazi broadsheet Der St=FCrmer in Weimar-era Germany. To
# arouse anti-semitic sentiments among the weekly=92s working class
# Christian readership, Streicher regularly published truncated
# quotations from Talmudic texts that, in their shortened form, appear
# to advocate greed, slavery, and ritualistic murder. Although rarely
# employed to this malicious extreme, contextomy is a common method of
# misrepresentation in contemporary mass media, and studies have
# demonstrated that the effects of this misrepresentation can linger
# even after the audience is exposed to the original, in context, quote.
#
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context
The Dawkinite claim that atheist Gods have existed,
do exist or WILL exist has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER!!! 8^o
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
The atheists are now among the ranks of BLIND BELIEVERS! B^D
Priceless!
> On Mar 17, 4:12 pm, Vurgil<Vur...@arg.erg> wrote:
>> In article<WZ79r.4695$%E2.4...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
Vurgil the hypocrite posted this quote out of context, something
which he and the other atheist hypocrites refer to as
QUOTE MINING..
>> with deliberate intent to deceive,
>> taken from the complete sentence:
>>
>> "It's very important to understand that these Gods came into being by an
>> explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution."
read it all at
>> "It's very important to understand that these Gods came into being by an
>> explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
# From: Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.philosophy,talk.atheism,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: How Long Can a Lie Last? Chapter 1.
# Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
# Organization: http://groups.google.com
# Message-ID:
<2327f9e7-969c-4c03...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as
# "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of
# false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding
# matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.
#
# Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw
# man argument, which is frequently found in politics, it involves
# quoting an opponent out of context in order to misrepresent their
# position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in
# order to make it easier to refute. As an appeal to authority, it
# involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order
# to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.
#
# Contextomy refers to the selective excerpting of words from their
# original linguistic context in a way that distorts the source=92s
# intended meaning, a practice commonly referred to as "quoting out of
# context". The problem here is not the removal of a quote from its
# original context (as all quotes are) per se, but to the quoter's
# decision to exclude from the excerpt certain nearby phrases or
# sentences (which become "context" by virtue of the exclusion) that
# serve to clarify the intentions behind the selected words. Comparing
# this practice to surgical excision, journalist Milton Mayer coined the
# term "contextomy" to describe its use by Julius Streicher, editor of
# the infamous Nazi broadsheet Der St=FCrmer in Weimar-era Germany. To
# arouse anti-semitic sentiments among the weekly=92s working class
# Christian readership, Streicher regularly published truncated
# quotations from Talmudic texts that, in their shortened form, appear
# to advocate greed, slavery, and ritualistic murder. Although rarely
# employed to this malicious extreme, contextomy is a common method of
# misrepresentation in contemporary mass media, and studies have
# demonstrated that the effects of this misrepresentation can linger
# even after the audience is exposed to the original, in context, quote.
#
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context
The Dawkinite claim that atheist Gods have existed,
do exist or WILL exist has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER!!! 8^o
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
The atheists are now among the ranks of BLIND BELIEVERS! B^D
Priceless!
fasgnadh
Mar 19, 2012, 8:33:44 AM3/19/12
to
Tim Howard had trouble following and comprehending:
To assist you to grasp the whole, I suggest
you ask specific questions about any point
you don't understand, as you go along.
I will provide some simple annotations to help you grasp
clusters of ideas, and thus have a more holistic understanding;
> On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>
when he said
you can fool all of the people some of the time,
and some of the people all of the time, but you can't
fool all of the people all of the time
... and so we have a list of false ideologies
which have been rejected after painful failure:
>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
Militarism/ Imperialism.. Bush succeeded in his Big Lie
for a time.. but there were no WMD's, his lie was revealed.
>>
>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
Nazism.. another Big lie, as millions learned to their cost.
>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
...are you keeping up?
All of those (initially seductive) idea sets proved dangerously
false.. but eventually people saw through them, and abandoned
them.
Religion, however, endures because it has positive social utility,
despite some atypical crazies in the mix:
>> Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
>> institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
>> have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
>> religion to garner popular support.
>>
>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
>> has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>
>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>>
>>
>> Now the standard tactic of atheist liars if I mention either of those
>> three facts, is to accuse me of being a Muslim, a 'Christer' or a Jew.
>>
>> But such tactics of deceit, slandering the messenger because they
>> acnnot rationally debate the message, contradict each other! B^]
>>
>> And so their lies don't even last for SECONDS! B^D
So we see that lying is THE hallmark of Atheism, at the Macro,
political level, where EVERY atheist state has been a Totalitarian
Tyranny, which FAILED Catastrophically.. and also at the micro
level, the individual atheist liars in USENET.
Contrast that with the Great and Enduring Civilisations, inspired and
built by spiritual teachers who founded the great world religions.
They have been phenomenally successful, evolving the modern, free,
open, prosperous and progressive, rights-based, secular democracies..
light years ahead of any atheist shithole in history!
It makes you think, eh? Or at least it WOULD if you COULD! B^D
>> I generally use the history of the early Christian church more
>> often than that of early Islam, or Judaism, because that is the
>> one most familiar to most of my audience, (who are generally
>> ignorant of all three).
>>
>> Truth persists.
>>
>> Truth endures.
>>
>> Truth transforms.
>>
>> Truth is voluntarily taken up by MILLIONS of people every year.
>>
>> Truth outlasts EVEN the numerous attempts to pervert, corrupt and
>> overthrow it, from WITHIN, (which explains all the witchburnings,
>> inquisitions and other POWER PLAYS by those who distorted the message
>> for their own ends)
>>
>> The atheists will say
>>
>> "but many false things are taken up as true every day"
>>
>> ....but none of them last for five thousand years.
Just as atheism is a hypothesis which has CONSISTENTLY FAILED
with EVERY atheist state in history, so genuine spiritual teaching
has endured and spread.
Think of it as Evolution by NATURAL SELECTION, in the socio-political,
cultural sphere!
B^D
>> The religious are aware of the periods of the mistakes (due to
>> ignorance) and the deliberate corrupting (due to personal gain)
>> but they do not throw out the spiritual baby with the religious bathwater.
>>
>> Humans replace any failed hypothesis about reality with a better one,
>> as soon as it comes along.
eg, failed atheism has been replaced in the Union of Savage Slaughter
and Repression, Mao's Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backwards,
and Pol Pot's Year Zero.
>> The atheists always point to the Era of Colonialism (when Missionaries
>> accompanied the expanding Imperial conquests (driven by the desire for
>> Empire, treasure and trade)) and claim that religion was forced on
>> people. But when atheism was forced on people they threw it off.
>> When Nazism was forced on people they threw it off.
>>
>> Victims of the age of Colonialism ultimately threw ofF the yoke of
>> Imperial domination, and gained political freedom, but they KEPT THE
>> FAITH! B^]
Over time, the dross is filtered out, and that which is found to be
efficacious is preserved and passed on. B^]
> Pardon me,
I'm sorry, I'm an agnostic, not a Catholic priest,
you will have to go elsewhere for absolution.
> but I was reading your post
I don't think that constitutes a sin. B^]
> and trying to understand your point.
Which one? Most arguments contain a number of points,
mine certainly do... Do you find that too taxing?
Let me suggest that next time you leave the text intact and
ask SPECIFIC questions about any sentence you find difficult to understand.
> Frankly I got lost.
You are in USENET.
Ah, perhaps discussion groups are not your forte,
try Lawn Bowls or Macrame.
> Your post shows intelligence
And I guess that means it requires Intelligence to
understand it.
Lacking magical powers, I can't increase yours,
other than by the traditional means, education..
which you have said you find too difficult, as you
lack comprehension skills.
> but is too long
Ah, too many ideas in one place, your brain can't cope...
A common complaint with atheists and even more so with atheist
Kook-Suckers from alt.usenet.kooks! B^D
> and untargeted.
No, the NGs precisely indicate the target audience.. it's just that
some things clearly go over your head....
> Can you summarize what point you are trying to make?
Did you manage to grasp the Subject header?
That's always a good place to start.
Work on "How Long.." for a day or two and then try "can a Lie last?"
and then put the two partial understandings together..
and see if you can generate critical mass for an idea.
keep practising this skill and before you know it you will be
capable of simple thoughts.
> At one point I believe
so, you are a theist, but a transitory one. B^]
> you identify yourself as an agnostic?
Yes.
> Another time you imply you are a secularist?
My text is above, indicate where you claim that happens
and we can confirm or rule out your claim to have
impaired comprehension skills..
I know I didn't use the term secularist, so explain what YOU
mean by that term and then I can tell you if I identify
with your understanding, limited as you claim it is.
That is why I prefer the traditional DIALOGUE process,
as it provides a feedback loop from Rx to Tx,
enabling the Transmitter to know if the Receiver understood,
and if not, have information on where the communication
problem might arise.
More data on your condition may help to derive
a better strategy for treatment.
---------
Atheists are in retreat:
Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
# "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
To assist you to grasp the whole, I suggest
you ask specific questions about any point
you don't understand, as you go along.
I will provide some simple annotations to help you grasp
clusters of ideas, and thus have a more holistic understanding;
> On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> How long can a Big Lie last?
the thesis explored below is that summarised by Bob Dylan
when he said
you can fool all of the people some of the time,
and some of the people all of the time, but you can't
fool all of the people all of the time
... and so we have a list of false ideologies
which have been rejected after painful failure:
>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
for a time.. but there were no WMD's, his lie was revealed.
>>
>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
All of those (initially seductive) idea sets proved dangerously
false.. but eventually people saw through them, and abandoned
them.
Religion, however, endures because it has positive social utility,
despite some atypical crazies in the mix:
>> Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
>> institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
>> have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
>> religion to garner popular support.
>>
>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
>> has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>
>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>>
>>
>> Now the standard tactic of atheist liars if I mention either of those
>> three facts, is to accuse me of being a Muslim, a 'Christer' or a Jew.
>>
>> But such tactics of deceit, slandering the messenger because they
>> acnnot rationally debate the message, contradict each other! B^]
>>
>> And so their lies don't even last for SECONDS! B^D
political level, where EVERY atheist state has been a Totalitarian
Tyranny, which FAILED Catastrophically.. and also at the micro
level, the individual atheist liars in USENET.
Contrast that with the Great and Enduring Civilisations, inspired and
built by spiritual teachers who founded the great world religions.
They have been phenomenally successful, evolving the modern, free,
open, prosperous and progressive, rights-based, secular democracies..
light years ahead of any atheist shithole in history!
It makes you think, eh? Or at least it WOULD if you COULD! B^D
>> I generally use the history of the early Christian church more
>> often than that of early Islam, or Judaism, because that is the
>> one most familiar to most of my audience, (who are generally
>> ignorant of all three).
>>
>> Truth persists.
>>
>> Truth endures.
>>
>> Truth transforms.
>>
>> Truth is voluntarily taken up by MILLIONS of people every year.
>>
>> Truth outlasts EVEN the numerous attempts to pervert, corrupt and
>> overthrow it, from WITHIN, (which explains all the witchburnings,
>> inquisitions and other POWER PLAYS by those who distorted the message
>> for their own ends)
>>
>> The atheists will say
>>
>> "but many false things are taken up as true every day"
>>
>> ....but none of them last for five thousand years.
with EVERY atheist state in history, so genuine spiritual teaching
has endured and spread.
Think of it as Evolution by NATURAL SELECTION, in the socio-political,
cultural sphere!
B^D
>> The religious are aware of the periods of the mistakes (due to
>> ignorance) and the deliberate corrupting (due to personal gain)
>> but they do not throw out the spiritual baby with the religious bathwater.
>>
>> Humans replace any failed hypothesis about reality with a better one,
>> as soon as it comes along.
and Repression, Mao's Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backwards,
and Pol Pot's Year Zero.
>> The atheists always point to the Era of Colonialism (when Missionaries
>> accompanied the expanding Imperial conquests (driven by the desire for
>> Empire, treasure and trade)) and claim that religion was forced on
>> people. But when atheism was forced on people they threw it off.
>> When Nazism was forced on people they threw it off.
>>
>> Victims of the age of Colonialism ultimately threw ofF the yoke of
>> Imperial domination, and gained political freedom, but they KEPT THE
>> FAITH! B^]
efficacious is preserved and passed on. B^]
I'm sorry, I'm an agnostic, not a Catholic priest,
you will have to go elsewhere for absolution.
> but I was reading your post
I don't think that constitutes a sin. B^]
> and trying to understand your point.
Which one? Most arguments contain a number of points,
mine certainly do... Do you find that too taxing?
Let me suggest that next time you leave the text intact and
ask SPECIFIC questions about any sentence you find difficult to understand.
> Frankly I got lost.
You are in USENET.
Ah, perhaps discussion groups are not your forte,
try Lawn Bowls or Macrame.
> Your post shows intelligence
And I guess that means it requires Intelligence to
understand it.
Lacking magical powers, I can't increase yours,
other than by the traditional means, education..
which you have said you find too difficult, as you
lack comprehension skills.
> but is too long
Ah, too many ideas in one place, your brain can't cope...
A common complaint with atheists and even more so with atheist
Kook-Suckers from alt.usenet.kooks! B^D
> and untargeted.
No, the NGs precisely indicate the target audience.. it's just that
some things clearly go over your head....
> Can you summarize what point you are trying to make?
Did you manage to grasp the Subject header?
That's always a good place to start.
Work on "How Long.." for a day or two and then try "can a Lie last?"
and then put the two partial understandings together..
and see if you can generate critical mass for an idea.
keep practising this skill and before you know it you will be
capable of simple thoughts.
> At one point I believe
so, you are a theist, but a transitory one. B^]
> you identify yourself as an agnostic?
Yes.
> Another time you imply you are a secularist?
My text is above, indicate where you claim that happens
and we can confirm or rule out your claim to have
impaired comprehension skills..
I know I didn't use the term secularist, so explain what YOU
mean by that term and then I can tell you if I identify
with your understanding, limited as you claim it is.
That is why I prefer the traditional DIALOGUE process,
as it provides a feedback loop from Rx to Tx,
enabling the Transmitter to know if the Receiver understood,
and if not, have information on where the communication
problem might arise.
More data on your condition may help to derive
a better strategy for treatment.
---------
Atheists are in retreat:
Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
Vurgil
Mar 19, 2012, 5:01:13 PM3/19/12
to
In article <ziF9r.4627$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Immortalist has denounced quote mining, which fasgnadh practises
> > with vulgar regularity. On Mar 17, 4:12 pm,,
>
Fasgnadh, the hypocrite, posted this quote-mine of Dawkins out of
context:
�It�s very important to understand that these Gods came into being
taken from from Dawkins' complete sentence:
�It�s very important to understand that these Gods came into being
by an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.�
Itself taken from the more complete reported conversation:
After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And he�s
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."
[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]
"Doesn�t that description sound an awful lot like God?"
[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]
�Certainly,� Professor Dawkins replies. �It�s highly
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.�
He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone
around a religious bend. �It�s very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.�
Could they be immortal?
The professor shrugs. �Probably not.� He smiles and adds ,
�But I wouldn�t want to be too dogmatic about that.�
The complete article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
The rest of fasgnadh's lies deleted.
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Immortalist has denounced quote mining, which fasgnadh practises
> > with vulgar regularity. On Mar 17, 4:12 pm,,
>
Fasgnadh, the hypocrite, posted this quote-mine of Dawkins out of
context:
�It�s very important to understand that these Gods came into being
taken from from Dawkins' complete sentence:
�It�s very important to understand that these Gods came into being
Itself taken from the more complete reported conversation:
After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And he�s
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."
[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]
"Doesn�t that description sound an awful lot like God?"
[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]
�Certainly,� Professor Dawkins replies. �It�s highly
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.�
He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone
around a religious bend. �It�s very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.�
Could they be immortal?
The professor shrugs. �Probably not.� He smiles and adds ,
�But I wouldn�t want to be too dogmatic about that.�
The complete article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
The rest of fasgnadh's lies deleted.
Vurgil
Mar 19, 2012, 5:06:08 PM3/19/12
to
In article <qIF9r.4630$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
Taken from a conversation reported n an article at
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And heąs
[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]
łCertainly,˛ Professor Dawkins replies. łItąs highly
around a religious bend. łItąs very important to
łBut I wouldnąt want to be too dogmatic about that.˛
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins
Which was quote-mined by fasnagh with deliberate intent to deceive,
> # - Richard Dawkins
taken from the complete sentence:
łItąs very important to understand that these Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
Taken from a conversation reported n an article at
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."
[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]
"Doesnąt that description sound an awful lot like God?"
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."
[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]
[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.˛
He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks heąs gone
are God-like creatures.˛
around a religious bend. łItąs very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
Could they be immortal?
The professor shrugs. łProbably not.˛ He smiles and adds ,
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
Could they be immortal?
łBut I wouldnąt want to be too dogmatic about that.˛
fasgnadh
Mar 23, 2012, 4:00:51 AM3/23/12
to
Richo won't admit that atheist states PROVED the lie of atheism:
No, atheism was a little lie for thousands of years, impotent,
useless, insignificant, irrelevant...then a Big One for only 70, then it
was wiped out as a significant political force and is in relative
decline globally.
> Obviously.
But it's still attractive to supercilious micro-intellects,
pimply adolescents, Kook-suckers and disenchanted altar boys
who can't cope with a full blown and complex world view but
can manage clinging to a single belief that can never be logically
proven, wrapped like a thin veneer around a deep hatred of
believers:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>
>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>
>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>
>> Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
>> institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
>> have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
>> religion to garner popular support.
>>
>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>
> Often at the point of a sword...
the atheist regimes had not only swords but machine guns, tanks planes,
the most extensive, insidious and brutal secret police system, terror,
torture and death squads, killing over 80,000,000 people and they STILL
could not crush the desire for FREEDOM of thought and belief for mnore
than SEVENTY Horror-filled years of oppression.
So clearly when one carpet merchant can conquer enough HEARTS and MINDS
to form a DEFENSIVE army against the early persecutors of the faith, and
found a glittering civilisation without which you wouldn't have
business, banking and trade, then you atheist FAILURES should think
carefully about why EVERY atheist regime was such a massive CLUSTER FUCK
and ended in CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
Why didn't you fuckwits just use 'the point of a sword' if you still
think that's all it took!?!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
Your jealous whining betrays your unbelievable IGNORANCE about why
religion is so phenomenally successful.
Go listen to a THINKING atheist and GET A CLUE:
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
>> has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>
> Often at the point of a sword...
you are sounding like a broken record.
How did 12 apostles armed with nothing but a book CONQUER
the might of Rome, with all it's swords?
You just look stupid when you try to argue such SIMPLISTIC nonsense.
Over time, AFTER THEY HAD CONVERTED WHOLE POPULATIONS WITH WORDS,
the Christians (and the Muslims, and the Hindus, and even the Buddhists,
became powerful and had armies... that's AFTER they had converted the
people to be IN those ARMIES, you cretin! B^D
Atheist regimes had FAR larger armies, and yet your BULLSHIT IDEA
could not inspire or sustain even a handful of catastrophic cluster
fucks for more than a few decades!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>
>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>
> You can say its the "same message" and the "same God" - but that is
> your subjective and personal interpretation.
No, Jews, Muslims and Christians all agree that they
worship the God of Abraham!
Jesus, the founder of Christianity WAS a Jew.. he didn't
change the God he believed in, and worshipped in the synagogue! B^D
Islam and Christianity profess a belief in the God of Abraham, a Jew.
It's clearly stated in the Qur'an;
# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# save with such of them as do wrong;
# and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# and revealed unto you;
# our God and your God is One,
# and unto Him we surrender."
#
# - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46
The Church representing the largest number of Christians agrees:
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,
How many Earths are we living on? ONE! B^]
If the Pope says the Muslims worship the Creator of it, then
you can argue if he's right about that act of Creation, but you
can't argue that he agrees with the Muslims.. they WORSHIP the
ONE and the SAME God, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehova, Allah, Eloi, El Shaddai,
Ahura Mazda, Wakonda, Brahman,
...just different names in different languages.
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
Of course the Christian Bible has proclaimed the Unity of God for
millennia, long before there were Christians to argue over it;
"Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad."
"Hear oh Israel, the Lord thy God, the Lord is One!"
Christianity is, fundamentally, Judaism taken to the Gentiles! B^]
"Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me"
(Isaiah 43:10).
It could not be clearer, Christianity, Judaism and Islam all worship the
One God.
> They are clearly related - they have similarities.
Yeah, they worship the same God. B^]
> Allah has no son. God the Father, does.
Oh now you want to pretend you know what Muslims believe DESPITE
them saying you are WRONG:
"our God and your God is One"
"and unto Him we surrender"
Q.E.D.
It doesn't matter WHAT *YOU* or even what people claiming to be Muslim,
think, the TRUTH is that Qur'an is CLEAR.
Now, as atheist regimes show, even though all humans have, as shown
by our DNA, a common ancestry, out of Africa, that doesn't stop atheists
from terrorising, torturing and killing over 80,000,000 of their
brothers and sisters, so you flaming HYPOCRITES can hardly criticise the
religious, for occassionally BETRAYING their religious teachings and
harming one another.. but NOWHERE NEAR THE EXTENT OF ATHEIST SLAUGHTER!
cadit quaetio!
> The *same*?
"our God and your God is One" - The Muslim view.
You can't get more the same than the same One! B^D
For people who endlessly criticise religion, and pour out your
hatred and scorn upon believers, you atheists are incredibly IGNORANT of
the religions, and the teachings of their founders.
> At least the Jews didn't do the "Convert or die" thing.
Really? Go ask the Maobites! B^D
> They definitely deserve to get respect for that.
Slaughtering every man woman and child, because God
had weighed them in the balance and found them wanting,
and 'pruned his garden' to strengthen the breed?
Your ignorance knows no bounds, does it!?!!!
> Catholics and Protestants murdered each other for centuries over much
> more minor differences.
Not in my country.
How many died from Catholic/Protestant conflict in your country last year?
Now, what percentage of the 80,000,000 killed by atheist regimes?
And those heretics were acting in DIRECT DEFIANCE of the COMMANDMENTS of
their founding teacher, Jesus....while there is NOTHING in atheism that
prohibits, or even condemns, rape, murder, or genocide... pfffft!
You are a rank Hypocrite.
>> Now the standard tactic of atheist liars if I mention either of those
>> three facts, is to accuse me of being a Muslim, a 'Christer' or a Jew.
...
> I have forsworn the delusion
because there is NO EVIDENCE of me having religious beliefs, I am an
agnostic who RATIONALLY critiques militant atheism and that does not
require any belief on my part. But most of your lying atheist
cronies deliberately SPREAD those lies and slanders, FABRICATING false
claims about my 'beliefs' in alt.atheism, as everyone can see:
Atheists such as Olrik claim they have a Divine Right to lie about you
if they doesn't know the truth(which is always ;-):
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still refuses to
admit it.
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.
Bukakke operates on the same basis, Atheists PREFER to debate
their own STRAW MAN LIES about my beliefs,
because they CANNOT rationally debate my IDEAS! B^]
Neither can you:
> that you actually believe in anything or stand for anything.
Well I clearly stand for the truth about the horrors of atheist states
in the 20th century, and for rational and honest debate about it..
but atheists RUN AWAY from that, and try and shift the debate,
change the issue, create smoke and mirrors, about such INTANGIBLES
as a persons 'BELIEFS' for which they HAVE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER,
and so, as Olrik has confessed, they FABRICATE LIES and then debate
their own STRAW MAN MISREPRESENTATIONS!
It's so stupid and obvious that it's funny.. and it REEKS of atheist
DESPERATION.. as their active membership leaches away!
B^]
>> But such tactics of deceit, slandering the messenger because they
>> acnnot rationally debate the message, contradict each other! B^]
>>
>> And so their lies don't even last for SECONDS! B^D
Alain de Botton is a warning bell for atheism, he is fully aware that
militant atheism under swaggering BLOWHARDS like Profit Dawkins and his
brainless acolytes in USENET are TURNING PEOPLE OFF all forms of
non-belief, not just atheism, which has always been distrusted!
>>
>> I generally use the history of the early Christian church more
>> often than that of early Islam, or Judaism, because that is the
>> one most familiar to most of my audience, (who are generally
>> ignorant of all three).
>>
>> Truth persists.
>>
>> Truth endures.
>>
>> Truth transforms.
>
> Sometimes. Sometimes it is lost.
Tell us a truth which you claim has been "lost".
And if you can, then it has NOT been lost! B^]
Priceless! B^D
Atheists can talk ENDLESS CRAP!
> Ideas and beliefs
such as atheism
> can persist - not because they are true - but
> because they have power and are memorable and tell people what they
> want to hear.
Lenin sold the atheist lie, so did Mao...
My point is that people EVENTUALLY see through that SHIT!
People quickly wanted to shuck off the yoke of tyranny and BE FREE again.
Just like people in the majority religious societies were!
> People like to be told they will live forever in paradise for example
Is that why Dawkins told people that atheist Gods of 'intelligent
energy' (energy can never be destroyed) have 'come into being'?
So that's how you come to believe Dawkin's lies re eternal life?
You atheists have all convinced yourself that you will evolve
into these indestructable supernatural Gods!
The very thing you tell others they are STUPID for believing in!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
> - so thats going to be believed no matter it is false.
Stubborn in your delusions, aren't you! B^D
>> Truth is voluntarily taken up by MILLIONS of people every year.
>
> But nonsense is a far more attractive product
to fascists, racists, atheists, communists.. sure.. that's why they
fell for Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim ill Fuk...
> and outsells truth 50 to 1!
in every atheist regime in history, killing over 80,000,000 people
far more than any religion, but without any of the redeeming merits
of religion which atheism's foremost Philosopher, Alain de Botton,
acknowledges, but hate-filled atheist militants don't.
But majority religious societies have evolved free, open, progressive,
prosperous, secular democratic states.. something NO ATHEIST REGIME
IN HISTORY EVER MANAGED!
perhaps it's time you fell on your "point of the sword" fallacy! B^]
>> Truth outlasts EVEN the numerous attempts to pervert, corrupt and
>> overthrow it, from WITHIN, (which explains all the witchburnings,
>> inquisitions and other POWER PLAYS by those who distorted the message
>> for their own ends)
>>
>> The atheists will say
>>
>> "but many false things are taken up as true every day"
>>
>> ....but none of them last for five thousand years.
>
> Gods? Afterlife? Immortal Souls?
You haven't proven any of them to be false, dimwit.
Whereas atheism has failed EVERYTIME a nation adopted it! 8^o
When will you fuckwits EVER LEARN?
> Mark.
One of the strengths of the reflective faiths is that they
acknowledge their fallibility, and regret their mistakes..
the atheists just DENY all responsibility for the atheist TYRANNIES..
>> The religious are aware of the periods of the mistakes (due to
>> ignorance) and the deliberate corrupting (due to personal gain)
>> but they do not throw out the spiritual baby with the religious bathwater.
>>
>> Humans replace any failed hypothesis about reality with a better one,
>> as soon as it comes along.
>>
>> The atheists always point to the Era of Colonialism (when Missionaries
>> accompanied the expanding Imperial conquests (driven by the desire for
>> Empire, treasure and trade)) and claim that religion was forced on
>> people. But when atheism was forced on people they threw it off.
>> When Nazism was forced on people they threw it off.
>>
>> Victims of the age of Colonialism ultimately threw ofF the yoke of
>> Imperial domination, and gained political freedom, but they KEPT THE
>> FAITH! B^]
>>
>> To understand the real dynamic you need to look at the Early Church,
>> when it had NO POWER.
except the power of IDEAS!!!
Atheists, with their nonsense about the role that forcible conversion
played, simply cannot discuss the conversion of the Vikings..
by a single weedy, Monk, armed with nothing but a BOOK! B^D
The Vikings already had Valhalla, drinking and carousing in the
afterlife, was how they conceived it, and they voluntarily GAVE
THAT UP, for a better set of ideas.. one which required them
to become SERVANTS of others, not Masters of all.
Astonishing.. and the Atheist 'explanation' just simply falls apart,
because the Vikings HAD THE SWORDS, and the promise of pie in the sky
when you die.. they were presented with a more advanced, more
efficacious set of civilisation building principles, and unlike the
thick-as-pigshit atheists, they recognised and accepted it's value.
>> 11 of the Apostles were martyred, 3 crucified, 2 fell to the sword,
>> one beaten to death while praying for his attackers, 1 flayed alive,
>> then crucified, 2 speared, 1 stoned to death and 1 sawed in half.
>>
>> Why would ANYONE persist?
>>
>> You can't even get atheists to put their money where their mouths are
>> if you offer them FREE PLANE FARES to any atheist state of their choice!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>> I know, because I've offered to pass the hat around for any
>> of them willing to leave these 'oppressive' secular democracies which
>> MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies have built and go live in atheist Nth
>> Korea, but none of them seem keen to EAT GRASS in yet another atheist
>> FAMINE, where the nation which prints "IN GOD WE TRUST" on it's copious
>> amounts of currency, provides them food aid to survive!!!!!
>
Alain de Botton is demolishing the contemporary atheist hubris,
because, as an atheist, he knows how STUPID militant atheists look,
telling others they have the SUPERIOR BELIEF SET, when they can't
organise a ROOT in a BROTHEL, let alone a decent democratic nation
state, let alone a great and enduring CIVILISATION! B^[
It's time atheists PUT UP and DELIVERED on their claims to be superior,
or SHUT THE FUCK UP and show some gratitude to the builders of modern
civilisation.
Alain de Botton frankly admits that there are numerous things religion
delivers which atheists should emulate (his words were STEAL IT ;-)
But what de Botton doesn't realise is that the Atheist states
of teh 20th century ALREADY TRIED THAT, and they couldn't fake the
genuine SPIRIT that imbues successful civilisations! B^]
That is the philosophical dead end for atheism.
>>
>>
>> Finally, brethren,
>> whatsoever things are true,
>> whatsoever things are honest,
>> whatsoever things are just,
>> whatsoever things are pure,
>> whatsoever things are lovely,
>> whatsoever things are of good report;
>> if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise,
>> think on these things.
>>
>> Now that is so PROFOUNDLY original, illuminating,
>> transformative and true, that for two thousand years
>> it has inspired, created and sustained the free, open
>> tolerant, progressive, prosperous secular democracies
>> built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS people.. in which even the
>> atheists among us PREFER TO LIVE!
>>
And this is what Alain de Botton, the foremost atheist philosopher of
our age, wants to get the angry, ignorant militant atheist FANATICS to
understand, in his own flawed and ultimately HOPELESS atheist way!
B^]
> On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>>
>> How long can a Big Lie last?
>
> Thousands of years.
>
No, atheism was a little lie for thousands of years, impotent,
useless, insignificant, irrelevant...then a Big One for only 70, then it
was wiped out as a significant political force and is in relative
decline globally.
> Obviously.
But it's still attractive to supercilious micro-intellects,
pimply adolescents, Kook-suckers and disenchanted altar boys
who can't cope with a full blown and complex world view but
can manage clinging to a single belief that can never be logically
proven, wrapped like a thin veneer around a deep hatred of
believers:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>
>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>
>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>
>> Scores of people claiming to have a message from God are routinely
>> institutionalised every year, and many more politicians claiming to
>> have a personal hotline to Him are eventually exposed as liars using
>> religion to garner popular support.
>>
>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>
the atheist regimes had not only swords but machine guns, tanks planes,
the most extensive, insidious and brutal secret police system, terror,
torture and death squads, killing over 80,000,000 people and they STILL
could not crush the desire for FREEDOM of thought and belief for mnore
than SEVENTY Horror-filled years of oppression.
So clearly when one carpet merchant can conquer enough HEARTS and MINDS
to form a DEFENSIVE army against the early persecutors of the faith, and
found a glittering civilisation without which you wouldn't have
business, banking and trade, then you atheist FAILURES should think
carefully about why EVERY atheist regime was such a massive CLUSTER FUCK
and ended in CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
Why didn't you fuckwits just use 'the point of a sword' if you still
think that's all it took!?!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
Your jealous whining betrays your unbelievable IGNORANCE about why
religion is so phenomenally successful.
Go listen to a THINKING atheist and GET A CLUE:
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by Christ
>> has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>
you are sounding like a broken record.
How did 12 apostles armed with nothing but a book CONQUER
the might of Rome, with all it's swords?
You just look stupid when you try to argue such SIMPLISTIC nonsense.
Over time, AFTER THEY HAD CONVERTED WHOLE POPULATIONS WITH WORDS,
the Christians (and the Muslims, and the Hindus, and even the Buddhists,
became powerful and had armies... that's AFTER they had converted the
people to be IN those ARMIES, you cretin! B^D
Atheist regimes had FAR larger armies, and yet your BULLSHIT IDEA
could not inspire or sustain even a handful of catastrophic cluster
fucks for more than a few decades!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>
>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>
> your subjective and personal interpretation.
No, Jews, Muslims and Christians all agree that they
worship the God of Abraham!
Jesus, the founder of Christianity WAS a Jew.. he didn't
change the God he believed in, and worshipped in the synagogue! B^D
Islam and Christianity profess a belief in the God of Abraham, a Jew.
It's clearly stated in the Qur'an;
# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# save with such of them as do wrong;
# and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# and revealed unto you;
# our God and your God is One,
# and unto Him we surrender."
#
# - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46
The Church representing the largest number of Christians agrees:
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
#
# NOSTRA AETATE
#
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# ...
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,
How many Earths are we living on? ONE! B^]
If the Pope says the Muslims worship the Creator of it, then
you can argue if he's right about that act of Creation, but you
can't argue that he agrees with the Muslims.. they WORSHIP the
ONE and the SAME God, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehova, Allah, Eloi, El Shaddai,
Ahura Mazda, Wakonda, Brahman,
...just different names in different languages.
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
Of course the Christian Bible has proclaimed the Unity of God for
millennia, long before there were Christians to argue over it;
"Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad."
"Hear oh Israel, the Lord thy God, the Lord is One!"
Christianity is, fundamentally, Judaism taken to the Gentiles! B^]
"Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me"
(Isaiah 43:10).
It could not be clearer, Christianity, Judaism and Islam all worship the
One God.
> They are clearly related - they have similarities.
Yeah, they worship the same God. B^]
> Allah has no son. God the Father, does.
Oh now you want to pretend you know what Muslims believe DESPITE
them saying you are WRONG:
"our God and your God is One"
"and unto Him we surrender"
Q.E.D.
It doesn't matter WHAT *YOU* or even what people claiming to be Muslim,
think, the TRUTH is that Qur'an is CLEAR.
Now, as atheist regimes show, even though all humans have, as shown
by our DNA, a common ancestry, out of Africa, that doesn't stop atheists
from terrorising, torturing and killing over 80,000,000 of their
brothers and sisters, so you flaming HYPOCRITES can hardly criticise the
religious, for occassionally BETRAYING their religious teachings and
harming one another.. but NOWHERE NEAR THE EXTENT OF ATHEIST SLAUGHTER!
cadit quaetio!
> The *same*?
"our God and your God is One" - The Muslim view.
You can't get more the same than the same One! B^D
For people who endlessly criticise religion, and pour out your
hatred and scorn upon believers, you atheists are incredibly IGNORANT of
the religions, and the teachings of their founders.
> At least the Jews didn't do the "Convert or die" thing.
Really? Go ask the Maobites! B^D
> They definitely deserve to get respect for that.
Slaughtering every man woman and child, because God
had weighed them in the balance and found them wanting,
and 'pruned his garden' to strengthen the breed?
Your ignorance knows no bounds, does it!?!!!
> Catholics and Protestants murdered each other for centuries over much
> more minor differences.
Not in my country.
How many died from Catholic/Protestant conflict in your country last year?
Now, what percentage of the 80,000,000 killed by atheist regimes?
And those heretics were acting in DIRECT DEFIANCE of the COMMANDMENTS of
their founding teacher, Jesus....while there is NOTHING in atheism that
prohibits, or even condemns, rape, murder, or genocide... pfffft!
You are a rank Hypocrite.
>> Now the standard tactic of atheist liars if I mention either of those
>> three facts, is to accuse me of being a Muslim, a 'Christer' or a Jew.
> I have forsworn the delusion
because there is NO EVIDENCE of me having religious beliefs, I am an
agnostic who RATIONALLY critiques militant atheism and that does not
require any belief on my part. But most of your lying atheist
cronies deliberately SPREAD those lies and slanders, FABRICATING false
claims about my 'beliefs' in alt.atheism, as everyone can see:
Atheists such as Olrik claim they have a Divine Right to lie about you
if they doesn't know the truth(which is always ;-):
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still refuses to
admit it.
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.
Bukakke operates on the same basis, Atheists PREFER to debate
their own STRAW MAN LIES about my beliefs,
because they CANNOT rationally debate my IDEAS! B^]
Neither can you:
> that you actually believe in anything or stand for anything.
Well I clearly stand for the truth about the horrors of atheist states
in the 20th century, and for rational and honest debate about it..
but atheists RUN AWAY from that, and try and shift the debate,
change the issue, create smoke and mirrors, about such INTANGIBLES
as a persons 'BELIEFS' for which they HAVE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER,
and so, as Olrik has confessed, they FABRICATE LIES and then debate
their own STRAW MAN MISREPRESENTATIONS!
It's so stupid and obvious that it's funny.. and it REEKS of atheist
DESPERATION.. as their active membership leaches away!
B^]
>> But such tactics of deceit, slandering the messenger because they
>> acnnot rationally debate the message, contradict each other! B^]
>>
>> And so their lies don't even last for SECONDS! B^D
militant atheism under swaggering BLOWHARDS like Profit Dawkins and his
brainless acolytes in USENET are TURNING PEOPLE OFF all forms of
non-belief, not just atheism, which has always been distrusted!
>>
>> I generally use the history of the early Christian church more
>> often than that of early Islam, or Judaism, because that is the
>> one most familiar to most of my audience, (who are generally
>> ignorant of all three).
>>
>> Truth persists.
>>
>> Truth endures.
>>
>> Truth transforms.
>
Tell us a truth which you claim has been "lost".
And if you can, then it has NOT been lost! B^]
Priceless! B^D
Atheists can talk ENDLESS CRAP!
> Ideas and beliefs
such as atheism
> can persist - not because they are true - but
> because they have power and are memorable and tell people what they
> want to hear.
Lenin sold the atheist lie, so did Mao...
My point is that people EVENTUALLY see through that SHIT!
People quickly wanted to shuck off the yoke of tyranny and BE FREE again.
Just like people in the majority religious societies were!
> People like to be told they will live forever in paradise for example
Is that why Dawkins told people that atheist Gods of 'intelligent
energy' (energy can never be destroyed) have 'come into being'?
So that's how you come to believe Dawkin's lies re eternal life?
You atheists have all convinced yourself that you will evolve
into these indestructable supernatural Gods!
The very thing you tell others they are STUPID for believing in!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
> - so thats going to be believed no matter it is false.
Stubborn in your delusions, aren't you! B^D
>> Truth is voluntarily taken up by MILLIONS of people every year.
>
to fascists, racists, atheists, communists.. sure.. that's why they
fell for Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim ill Fuk...
> and outsells truth 50 to 1!
in every atheist regime in history, killing over 80,000,000 people
far more than any religion, but without any of the redeeming merits
of religion which atheism's foremost Philosopher, Alain de Botton,
acknowledges, but hate-filled atheist militants don't.
But majority religious societies have evolved free, open, progressive,
prosperous, secular democratic states.. something NO ATHEIST REGIME
IN HISTORY EVER MANAGED!
perhaps it's time you fell on your "point of the sword" fallacy! B^]
>> Truth outlasts EVEN the numerous attempts to pervert, corrupt and
>> overthrow it, from WITHIN, (which explains all the witchburnings,
>> inquisitions and other POWER PLAYS by those who distorted the message
>> for their own ends)
>>
>> The atheists will say
>>
>> "but many false things are taken up as true every day"
>>
>> ....but none of them last for five thousand years.
>
You haven't proven any of them to be false, dimwit.
Whereas atheism has failed EVERYTIME a nation adopted it! 8^o
When will you fuckwits EVER LEARN?
> Mark.
One of the strengths of the reflective faiths is that they
acknowledge their fallibility, and regret their mistakes..
the atheists just DENY all responsibility for the atheist TYRANNIES..
>> The religious are aware of the periods of the mistakes (due to
>> ignorance) and the deliberate corrupting (due to personal gain)
>> but they do not throw out the spiritual baby with the religious bathwater.
>>
>> Humans replace any failed hypothesis about reality with a better one,
>> as soon as it comes along.
>>
>> The atheists always point to the Era of Colonialism (when Missionaries
>> accompanied the expanding Imperial conquests (driven by the desire for
>> Empire, treasure and trade)) and claim that religion was forced on
>> people. But when atheism was forced on people they threw it off.
>> When Nazism was forced on people they threw it off.
>>
>> Victims of the age of Colonialism ultimately threw ofF the yoke of
>> Imperial domination, and gained political freedom, but they KEPT THE
>> FAITH! B^]
>>
>> To understand the real dynamic you need to look at the Early Church,
>> when it had NO POWER.
Atheists, with their nonsense about the role that forcible conversion
played, simply cannot discuss the conversion of the Vikings..
by a single weedy, Monk, armed with nothing but a BOOK! B^D
The Vikings already had Valhalla, drinking and carousing in the
afterlife, was how they conceived it, and they voluntarily GAVE
THAT UP, for a better set of ideas.. one which required them
to become SERVANTS of others, not Masters of all.
Astonishing.. and the Atheist 'explanation' just simply falls apart,
because the Vikings HAD THE SWORDS, and the promise of pie in the sky
when you die.. they were presented with a more advanced, more
efficacious set of civilisation building principles, and unlike the
thick-as-pigshit atheists, they recognised and accepted it's value.
>> 11 of the Apostles were martyred, 3 crucified, 2 fell to the sword,
>> one beaten to death while praying for his attackers, 1 flayed alive,
>> then crucified, 2 speared, 1 stoned to death and 1 sawed in half.
>>
>> Why would ANYONE persist?
>>
>> You can't even get atheists to put their money where their mouths are
>> if you offer them FREE PLANE FARES to any atheist state of their choice!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>> I know, because I've offered to pass the hat around for any
>> of them willing to leave these 'oppressive' secular democracies which
>> MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies have built and go live in atheist Nth
>> Korea, but none of them seem keen to EAT GRASS in yet another atheist
>> FAMINE, where the nation which prints "IN GOD WE TRUST" on it's copious
>> amounts of currency, provides them food aid to survive!!!!!
>
because, as an atheist, he knows how STUPID militant atheists look,
telling others they have the SUPERIOR BELIEF SET, when they can't
organise a ROOT in a BROTHEL, let alone a decent democratic nation
state, let alone a great and enduring CIVILISATION! B^[
It's time atheists PUT UP and DELIVERED on their claims to be superior,
or SHUT THE FUCK UP and show some gratitude to the builders of modern
civilisation.
Alain de Botton frankly admits that there are numerous things religion
delivers which atheists should emulate (his words were STEAL IT ;-)
But what de Botton doesn't realise is that the Atheist states
of teh 20th century ALREADY TRIED THAT, and they couldn't fake the
genuine SPIRIT that imbues successful civilisations! B^]
That is the philosophical dead end for atheism.
>>
>>
>> Finally, brethren,
>> whatsoever things are true,
>> whatsoever things are honest,
>> whatsoever things are just,
>> whatsoever things are pure,
>> whatsoever things are lovely,
>> whatsoever things are of good report;
>> if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise,
>> think on these things.
>>
>> Now that is so PROFOUNDLY original, illuminating,
>> transformative and true, that for two thousand years
>> it has inspired, created and sustained the free, open
>> tolerant, progressive, prosperous secular democracies
>> built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS people.. in which even the
>> atheists among us PREFER TO LIVE!
>>
our age, wants to get the angry, ignorant militant atheist FANATICS to
understand, in his own flawed and ultimately HOPELESS atheist way!
B^]
Uirgil
Mar 23, 2012, 4:44:41 PM3/23/12
to
In article <R4War.4921$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
you claim, so that common sense rejects belief in any such myths.
>
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
What Dawkins actually said was a complete sentence of which the above is
only a part:
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Richo won't admit that atheist states PROVED the lie of atheism:
> > On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>
> >> How long can a Big Lie last?
> >
> > Thousands of years.
>
> No, atheism was a little lie for thousands of years, impotent,
> useless, insignificant, irrelevant...then a Big One for only 70, then it
> was wiped out as a significant political force and is in relative
> decline globally.
There is no objective physical evidence for any god, much less the one
> Richo won't admit that atheist states PROVED the lie of atheism:
> > On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>
> >> How long can a Big Lie last?
> >
> > Thousands of years.
>
> No, atheism was a little lie for thousands of years, impotent,
> useless, insignificant, irrelevant...then a Big One for only 70, then it
> was wiped out as a significant political force and is in relative
> decline globally.
you claim, so that common sense rejects belief in any such myths.
>
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins
There goes fasgnadh quote-minimg (a form of lying) again.
> # - Richard Dawkins
What Dawkins actually said was a complete sentence of which the above is
only a part:
łItąs very important to understand that these Gods came into being by
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
And does not make much sense out of context so here is the context:
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
fasgnadh
Mar 23, 2012, 10:23:49 PM3/23/12
to
On 23/03/2012 11:42 PM, raven1 wrote:
The atheist regimes of the 20th century killed over 80,000,000
with their BIG LIE.. but the modern atheists are gutless cowards
who fantasise about murder, defiling corpses and genocide..
and their Warlord is not alone.. the entire coven in alt.athesism
support that psychopath!
>>>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>>>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>>>
>>>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>>>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>>>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>>>
>>>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>>>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>>>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>>>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>>>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>> ....
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
>>
>> Your jealous whining betrays your unbelievable IGNORANCE about why
>> religion is so phenomenally successful.
>>
>> Go listen to a THINKING atheist and GET A CLUE:
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
>>
>>
>>>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God,
>>>> delivered by Christ has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>>
>>> Often at the point of a sword...
>>
>> you are sounding like a broken record.
>>
>> How did 12 apostles armed with nothing but a book CONQUER
>> the might of Rome, with all it's swords?
>>
>> You just look stupid when you try to argue such SIMPLISTIC nonsense.
Atheists simply cant back up their lies because they are
ignorant and out of touch with reality.
>> Over time, AFTER THEY HAD CONVERTED WHOLE POPULATIONS WITH WORDS,
>> the Christians (and the Muslims, and the Hindus, and even the Buddhists,
>> became powerful and had armies... that's AFTER they had converted the
>> people to be IN those ARMIES, you cretin! B^D
>>
>> Atheist regimes had FAR larger armies, and yet your BULLSHIT IDEA
>> could not inspire or sustain even a handful of catastrophic cluster
>> fucks for more than a few decades!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Atheists make completely unsubstantiated claims, no proof, no clue! B^D
> not a single one worthy of a response.
And when their lies are exposed they snip all the evidence
and RUN AWAY! ..just like Richo, the pathetic atheist chickenshit!
B^]
See what the atheists have collectively tried to bury
in their flurry of bullshit and blather:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/b4cae288f7109d94?hl=en&dmode=source
with their BIG LIE.. but the modern atheists are gutless cowards
who fantasise about murder, defiling corpses and genocide..
and their Warlord is not alone.. the entire coven in alt.athesism
support that psychopath!
>>>> We now all know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>>>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>>>
>>>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>>>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>>>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>>>
>>>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>>>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>>>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>>>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>>>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>
>>>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>>>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>>
>>> Often at the point of a sword...
>>
>>
>> the atheist regimes had not only swords but machine guns, tanks planes,
>> the most extensive, insidious and brutal secret police system, terror,
>> torture and death squads, killing over 80,000,000 people and they STILL
>> could not crush the desire for FREEDOM of thought and belief for mnore
>> than SEVENTY Horror-filled years of oppression.
>>
>> So clearly when one carpet merchant can conquer enough HEARTS and MINDS
>> to form a DEFENSIVE army against the early persecutors of the faith, and
>> found a glittering civilisation without which you wouldn't have
>> business, banking and trade, then you atheist FAILURES should think
>> carefully about why EVERY atheist regime was such a massive CLUSTER FUCK
>> and ended in CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
>>
>> Why didn't you fuckwits just use 'the point of a sword' if you still
>> think that's all it took!?!!!
And that's when the atheists all run for cover! B^D
>>>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>>>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>>
>>> Often at the point of a sword...
>>
>>
>> the atheist regimes had not only swords but machine guns, tanks planes,
>> the most extensive, insidious and brutal secret police system, terror,
>> torture and death squads, killing over 80,000,000 people and they STILL
>> could not crush the desire for FREEDOM of thought and belief for mnore
>> than SEVENTY Horror-filled years of oppression.
>>
>> So clearly when one carpet merchant can conquer enough HEARTS and MINDS
>> to form a DEFENSIVE army against the early persecutors of the faith, and
>> found a glittering civilisation without which you wouldn't have
>> business, banking and trade, then you atheist FAILURES should think
>> carefully about why EVERY atheist regime was such a massive CLUSTER FUCK
>> and ended in CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
>>
>> Why didn't you fuckwits just use 'the point of a sword' if you still
>> think that's all it took!?!!!
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
>>
>> Your jealous whining betrays your unbelievable IGNORANCE about why
>> religion is so phenomenally successful.
>>
>> Go listen to a THINKING atheist and GET A CLUE:
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
>>
>>
>>>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God,
>>>> delivered by Christ has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>>
>>> Often at the point of a sword...
>>
>> you are sounding like a broken record.
>>
>> How did 12 apostles armed with nothing but a book CONQUER
>> the might of Rome, with all it's swords?
>>
>> You just look stupid when you try to argue such SIMPLISTIC nonsense.
ignorant and out of touch with reality.
>> Over time, AFTER THEY HAD CONVERTED WHOLE POPULATIONS WITH WORDS,
>> the Christians (and the Muslims, and the Hindus, and even the Buddhists,
>> became powerful and had armies... that's AFTER they had converted the
>> people to be IN those ARMIES, you cretin! B^D
>>
>> Atheist regimes had FAR larger armies, and yet your BULLSHIT IDEA
>> could not inspire or sustain even a handful of catastrophic cluster
>> fucks for more than a few decades!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
> not a single one worthy of a response.
And when their lies are exposed they snip all the evidence
and RUN AWAY! ..just like Richo, the pathetic atheist chickenshit!
B^]
See what the atheists have collectively tried to bury
in their flurry of bullshit and blather:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/b4cae288f7109d94?hl=en&dmode=source
fasgnadh
Mar 23, 2012, 10:38:49 PM3/23/12
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On 24/03/2012 5:53 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> On Mar 23, 5:42 am, raven1<quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>> Jews, Muslims and Christians all agree that they
>>> worship the God of Abraham!
which is why Richo can't defend his lie and the Atheist GOON squad,
descend to share their general ignorance as a SMOKE SCREEN
while Richo RUNS AWAY!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> I don't understand
No one expects you to to understand ANYTHING, you witless dolt,
your purpose in life is just to ADD NOISE as a distraction while
the atheist fuckwit who has just been DEMOLISHED can slink away!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
> "don't bother reading my stuff, even I
> don't think it's worth it".
>
> JD
Looks like you have brief moments of self-awareness! B^D
---------
Atheists are in retreat:
The atheist Profit(sic), R Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
..Atheist acolyte Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;
> On Mar 23, 5:42 am, raven1<quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:00:51 +1100, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Richo won't admit that atheist states PROVED the lie of atheism:
>>>> On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How long can a Big Lie last?
>>>>>
>>>>> We now all now know the truth about WMD's in Iraq.
>> wrote:
>>> Richo won't admit that atheist states PROVED the lie of atheism:
>>>> On 18/03/2012 9:11 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How long can a Big Lie last?
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us new already while it was being told.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>>>>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>>>>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>>>>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>>>>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>>>>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>>>>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> We know that the Nazi Ubermensch was a lie, one that was
>>>>> destroyed in a decade, but at the cost of tens of
>>>>> millions of lives, and the destruction of nations.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know that the Big Lie which every atheist state in history
>>>>> represented was exposed as CATASTROPHIC FAILURE resulting in
>>>>> a combined loss of over 80,000,000 dead in much less than the
>>>>> 70 years it took for the longest lived atheist state (USSR) to
>>>>> finally be overthrown by people who came to despise it in that time.
>>>
>>>>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>>>>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet the Message which Mohammed claimed to be delivering from God
>>>>> has endured and spread for 1433 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God,
>>>>> delivered by Christ has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> delivered by Christ has endured and spread for 2012 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same message, claimed to be from the same God, delivered by
>>>>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>>>>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>>>>
>>>> You can say its the "same message" and the "same God" - but that is
>>>> your subjective and personal interpretation.
No, THAT'S ANOTHER ATHEIST LIE! B^]
>>>>> Abraham, Moses and the Prophets, has endured and spread for over FIVE
>>>>> THOUSAND YEARS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today is the 24th day of Adar, 5772
>>>>
>>>> You can say its the "same message" and the "same God" - but that is
>>>> your subjective and personal interpretation.
>>> Jews, Muslims and Christians all agree that they
>>> worship the God of Abraham!
descend to share their general ignorance as a SMOKE SCREEN
while Richo RUNS AWAY!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
> I don't understand
No one expects you to to understand ANYTHING, you witless dolt,
your purpose in life is just to ADD NOISE as a distraction while
the atheist fuckwit who has just been DEMOLISHED can slink away!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
> "don't bother reading my stuff, even I
> don't think it's worth it".
>
> JD
Looks like you have brief moments of self-awareness! B^D
---------
Atheists are in retreat:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
..Atheist acolyte Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;
Kangaroo Court Australia
Mar 23, 2012, 10:55:55 PM3/23/12
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> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
> # Message-ID:
> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
> # Message-ID:
> #
> #
> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>
> ...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
> as a religion:
>
> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> #
> #
> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
> #
> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
> # The Age 29/1/2009
>
> ---------
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...
> #
> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>
> ...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
> as a religion:
>
> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> #
> #
> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
> #
> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
> # The Age 29/1/2009
>
> ---------
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "We must combat religion"
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "We must combat religion"
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
fasgnadh
Mar 23, 2012, 11:34:58 PM3/23/12
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On 24/03/2012 8:49 AM, Don Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT), Jeanne Douglas<hlwd...@gmail.com>
>>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> demolishes more of Chickenshit Richo's LIES:
>>>> Richo the gutless atheist blowhard is incapable of truth:
...
>>>>> At least the Jews didn't do the "Convert or die" thing.
Really? Go ask the Amalekites, Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites! B^D
“This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for
what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from
Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that
belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children
and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
(Samuel 15:2-3)
“in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you
as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has
commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the
detestable things they do in worshiping their gods,
and you ill sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:16-18)
>>>>> They definitely deserve to get respect for that.
>>>>
>>>> Slaughtering every man woman and child?
Something atheists typically support as their Warlord advocates:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
but savage, genocidal brutes!
NB: an omnipotent Creator may have reason to cull
his creation, if they are diseased stock, but when humans
talk and act like the that, as with Nazism and Atheism,
we regard them as PSYCHOPATHS!
>>>> because God
>>>> had weighed them in the balance and found them wanting,
>>>> and 'pruned his garden' to strengthen the breed?
>>>>
they can't produce evidence FOR LIES!!! B^[
Of course, atheism was responsible for far greater slaughter than ANY
religion in history:
>>>> Now, what percentage of the 80,000,000 killed by atheist regimes?
>>>>
I have never met an atheist with the simple honesty and integrity to
ADMIT that the atheist holocaust was real, let alone condemn it! B^[
In the case of for example, violence by Islamofascist terrorists,
they are exceptions by tiny minorities, not typical of the whole 1.6
Billion
of genuine, peaceable Muslims.
>>>> And those heretics were acting in DIRECT DEFIANCE of the COMMANDMENTS of
>>>> their founding teacher, Jesus....while there is NOTHING in atheism that
>>>> prohibits, or even condemns, rape, murder, or genocide... pfffft!
>>>>
>>>> You are a rank Hypocrite.
Too many facts they can't deny for the atheists to cope with:
>>> not a single one worthy of a response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
>> I don't understand why someone would post something that is basically
>> unreadable
The problem is in your INCOMPREHENSION, you senile dolt,
but at least you are HONESTLY stupid.. the others, who use
you disgracefully, are PRETENDING not to understand because
THEY CAN'T REFUTE ANY OF THE FACTS I PRESENT exposing their LIES!
B^]
I guess you atheists prefer to read the turgid prose of
the most (in)famous atheists.. The Collective Works of Lenin,
>> in its length and, especially, its atrocious format.
Perhaps you prefer "Thoughts of Chairman Mao" BWAAAHAHAHAAHAHA
Isn't it time for your med's and a nap?
>> "don't bother reading my stuff, even I
>> don't think it's worth it".
>
> crap attracts comments
Her's attracted yours. B^D
You are both talking shit
> will keep squirting it out.
I am flabergasted that you atheists would deny that the Old Testament
has God telling the Jews to wipe out the Amalekites, among others! 8^o
Atheists have certainly got weird since Dawkin's declared that not only
are 'God-Like beings plausible' but that atheist "Gods came into being":
> aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
I agree you are right to ask for some, but ask your PROFIT(sic),
RICHARD DAWKINS, .....he said it, not me!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT), Jeanne Douglas<hlwd...@gmail.com>
>>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> demolishes more of Chickenshit Richo's LIES:
>>>> Richo the gutless atheist blowhard is incapable of truth:
...
>>>>> At least the Jews didn't do the "Convert or die" thing.
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites! B^D
“This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for
what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from
Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that
belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children
and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
(Samuel 15:2-3)
“in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you
as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has
commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the
detestable things they do in worshiping their gods,
and you ill sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:16-18)
>>>>> They definitely deserve to get respect for that.
>>>>
Something atheists typically support as their Warlord advocates:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
The atheists are not only liars and hypocrites,
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
but savage, genocidal brutes!
NB: an omnipotent Creator may have reason to cull
his creation, if they are diseased stock, but when humans
talk and act like the that, as with Nazism and Atheism,
we regard them as PSYCHOPATHS!
>>>> because God
>>>> had weighed them in the balance and found them wanting,
>>>> and 'pruned his garden' to strengthen the breed?
>>>>
>>>>> Catholics and Protestants murdered each other for centuries over much
>>>>> more minor differences.
>>>>
>>>> Not in my country.
>>>>
>>>> How many died from Catholic/Protestant conflict in your country last year?
>>>>
Atheist liars ALWAYS run then they are asked for PROOF, because
>>>>> more minor differences.
>>>>
>>>> Not in my country.
>>>>
>>>> How many died from Catholic/Protestant conflict in your country last year?
>>>>
they can't produce evidence FOR LIES!!! B^[
Of course, atheism was responsible for far greater slaughter than ANY
religion in history:
>>>> Now, what percentage of the 80,000,000 killed by atheist regimes?
>>>>
ADMIT that the atheist holocaust was real, let alone condemn it! B^[
In the case of for example, violence by Islamofascist terrorists,
they are exceptions by tiny minorities, not typical of the whole 1.6
Billion
of genuine, peaceable Muslims.
>>>> And those heretics were acting in DIRECT DEFIANCE of the COMMANDMENTS of
>>>> their founding teacher, Jesus....while there is NOTHING in atheism that
>>>> prohibits, or even condemns, rape, murder, or genocide... pfffft!
>>>>
>>>> You are a rank Hypocrite.
>>> not a single one worthy of a response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
>> I don't understand why someone would post something that is basically
>> unreadable
The problem is in your INCOMPREHENSION, you senile dolt,
but at least you are HONESTLY stupid.. the others, who use
you disgracefully, are PRETENDING not to understand because
THEY CAN'T REFUTE ANY OF THE FACTS I PRESENT exposing their LIES!
B^]
I guess you atheists prefer to read the turgid prose of
the most (in)famous atheists.. The Collective Works of Lenin,
>> in its length and, especially, its atrocious format.
Perhaps you prefer "Thoughts of Chairman Mao" BWAAAHAHAHAAHAHA
Isn't it time for your med's and a nap?
>> "don't bother reading my stuff, even I
>> don't think it's worth it".
>
Her's attracted yours. B^D
You are both talking shit
> will keep squirting it out.
I am flabergasted that you atheists would deny that the Old Testament
has God telling the Jews to wipe out the Amalekites, among others! 8^o
Atheists have certainly got weird since Dawkin's declared that not only
are 'God-Like beings plausible' but that atheist "Gods came into being":
> aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
I agree you are right to ask for some, but ask your PROFIT(sic),
RICHARD DAWKINS, .....he said it, not me!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
sirgregoryhall
Mar 24, 2012, 12:16:26 AM3/24/12
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fasgnadh <Neabr.4944$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
You want to see some pictures of me naked?
Crotch shots, full erection?
That was really interesting. How about anal sex. What do you atheists think
about guy on guy bum action. My man milk is backing up and I NEED TO FIND
SOME REALEASE.
--
Sir Gregory
You want to see some pictures of me naked?
Crotch shots, full erection?
about guy on guy bum action. My man milk is backing up and I NEED TO FIND
SOME REALEASE.
--
Sir Gregory
Uirgil
Mar 24, 2012, 12:41:10 AM3/24/12
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In article <Neabr.4944$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
But what Dawkins actually said was:
> # - Richard Dawkins
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
łItąs very important to understand that these Gods came into being by
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
As a part of a converesatin about the far future:
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
Uirgil
Mar 24, 2012, 12:57:06 AM3/24/12
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In article <Qsabr.4945$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
In that article, Dawkins merely says that god-like creatures may evolve
in the distant future, but says nothing about any of them existing now.
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The atheist Profit(sic), R Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
Not to those who read the citation.
> The atheist Profit(sic), R Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
In that article, Dawkins merely says that god-like creatures may evolve
in the distant future, but says nothing about any of them existing now.
Uirgil
Mar 24, 2012, 1:04:16 AM3/24/12
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In article <rhbbr.4815$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
or below:
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
> # - Richard Dawkins
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
In the context of Dyson's far future, Dawkind actually said:
łItąs very important to understand that these Gods came into being by
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
AS you may find for yourselves at
łItąs very important to understand that these Gods came into being by
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
or below:
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