Hamas fraud exposed. The lefties are silent as usual.
Little Johnny Howard
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/461951/the-darkness-of-the-west.thtml
When Gaza was plunged into darkness, the western media knew who was to
blame.
The Guardian: Besieged civilians pay the price for Israel's hardline
response to rocket attacks.
The Independent: Israeli blockade forces Gaza's only power plant to
shut.
The Times: Darkness falls on Gaza as Israel takes revenge for rocket
attacks.
One small problem with this version of events. It wasn't Israel that
shut down Gaza's electricity supply. It was Hamas. What Israel did was
close its border crossings to all goods (eased yesterday) in response
to intensive Qassam rocket attacks on the western Negev - 220 rockets
fired in four days. Hamas promptly plunged Gaza into darkness, knowing
that the west would uncritically swallow its claim that Israel was to
blame for the distressing accounts that would follow of a humanitarian
crisis. Naturally they did -- just as they continue to pretend that
Hamas has only the one border with Israel through which it can obtain
supplies, and therefore it is Israel which always 'blockades' it;
whereas of course Gaza has a second border with Egypt through which it
could certainly receive a flow of goods and fuel - especially since it
continues to receive through it an uninterrupted flow of weapons with
which to attack and kill innocent Israelis. Indeed, the border with
Egypt means that the idea that Israel can ever 'cut off' Gaza or that
it has turned it into a sealed 'prison' is entirely false.
Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, normally so slow to defend its
own actions, is on this occasion clearly incandescent at the gross
unfairness of the coverage and has issued this furious statement:
The supply of electricity to Gaza from the Israel and the Egyptian
power grids (124 Megawatts and 17 Megawatts respectively) has
continued uninterrupted. These 141 Megawatts of power represents about
three quarters of Gaza's electricity needs. While the fuel supply from
Israel into Gaza has indeed been reduced, due to the Hamas rocket
attacks, the diversion of this fuel from domestic power generators to
other uses is wholly a Hamas decision - apparently taken due to media
and propaganda considerations. Noteworthy is the fact that while the
Gaza population remains in the dark, the fuel generating power to the
Hamas rocket manufacturing industry continues to flow unabated. The
Hamas claim of humanitarian crisis in Gaza is also greatly
exaggerated. There is no shortage of basic foodstuffs, and Gaza
patients who need treatment in Israeli hospitals continue to travel
into Israel for care.
Far from Israel imposing 'collective punishment' or taking 'revenge'
upon Gaza, as the EU, UNWRA and the media have claimed, it is almost
certainly the only country on the planet which continues to provide
fuel and other supplies to people who use them to continue to wage war
upon it.
But then, people in the west don't know about those 220 rocket attacks
in four days because the western media simply refuse to report them.
Instead they only report Israel's attempts to defend itself which are
thus represented as 'revenge', 'punishment' or simple aggression.
Vile. As usual.
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Ah, yes, isn't deception a raghead trait mandated by the Kooran?
fla...@verizon.net
Thank you for posting that. We need every shabbos goy we can get.
Susan
Seon Ferguson
ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone thought
Israel shut down the power.
simple_...@yahoo.com
> Ah, yes, isn't deception a raghead trait mandated by the Kooran?
This is not a deception (taqiyya), but Western dhimmitude.
"The spirit of dhimmitude is not merely that of submission without
fighting, not even a surrender. It is also the denial of one's own
humiliation through this process of integrating values that lead to
our own destruction; it is the ideological mercenaries offering
themselves up for service in the jihad; it is the traditional tribute
paid by their own hand, and with humiliation, by the European dhimmis,
in order to obtain a false security; it is the betrayal of one's own
people. The non-Muslim protected dhimmi under Islamic rule could
obtain an ephemeral and delusive security through services rendered to
the Muslim oppressor, and through servility and flattery. And that is
precisely the situation in Europe today." - Bat Ye'or, source:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={B1744004-DA73-47F7-88D4-2C63CD2A101B}
princeandy
"Little Johnny Howard" <pmjwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The darkness of the west
>
>
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/461951/the-darkness-of-the-west.thtml
>
> When Gaza was plunged into darkness, the western media knew who was to
> blame.
>
> The Guardian: Besieged civilians pay the price for Israel's hardline
> response to rocket attacks.
>
> The Independent: Israeli blockade forces Gaza's only power plant to
> shut.
>
> The Times: Darkness falls on Gaza as Israel takes revenge for rocket
> attacks.
SOUNDS LIKE A NORMAL DAY IN DEMOCRATIC??? ISRAEL???
No fear of Jews standing up against cruelty and sadism as the Christians DID
again and again.
The Testimony of a Rescuer
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/rescuer.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/Default.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/Denmark.htm
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay2.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
In the beginning
news:3f9fec45$0$6051$7566...@news.cambrium.nl..
news:3f9fec45$0$6051$7566...@news.cambrium.nl..
That in 1880 the total Jewish population in Palestine was about 24,000 all
of whom were living in safety, and with dignity - this was at a time when
Jews were being persecuted, tortured and killed in Europe and Russia;
In the Beginning
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/54152
In the beginning
In 1880 Jews were ONLY 5.3% of the total population of Palestine (and had
been this percentage of the population (or less) for more than a thousand
years). In 1946 the Jewish population was almost entirely comprised of
recent immigrants (people who had been in the country less than twenty
years).
Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/weather/6797129.htm
strikebreaking
If people go on strike simply because they cannot put up with the power for
perversions and cruel demands from employees that the government has handed
the employers, the Christian Evangelical Church/s has given their stamp of
approval for all the following?
These people rose up as one not because of God, but because of the treatment
by God's chosen people in not following God's laws. Secular laws.
On that day, - wrote John Kifner in The New York Times, - the vast army of
Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay bricks
and perform virtually all Israel's menial work, stayed home.
Is it part of the Christian Evangelical Church/s beliefs that this is the
actions God would approve in the case of strike or protest? Shooting
selectively?
And this statement of Rabin has never been criticised or questioned by the
Christian Evangelical Church/s? Yeah or any other Christian institution for
that matter?
And as far as anybody can ascertain, is still fully accepted by the Israel
government and the churches have never raised an objection to this as a
legitimate action against protestors?
The San Francisco Examiner cited Rabin as openly advocating assassination.
"They can shoot to hit leaders of disorder," Rabin said in defence of the
army's practice of using marksmen with high-powered .22-caliber rifles to
shoot indiscriminately at Palestinian youth
The modern churches and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently think
that this is God's law that was imposed, the victims not the Israeli
government's inhuman and ungodly persecution at fault, and the ignoring
of god's law in the process?
Well we can understand the Catholic Church, they always blamed the victims
( kids) , and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently contributes to
that type thinking?
THE JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT HIRSH GOODMAN - they have not received any
terrorist training, nor are they members of a terrorist organization. Rather
they are
members of that Palestinian generation that grew up knowing nothing but
occupation
All these churches and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently
support this as a fair and equitable application of God's law against 12
year olds? And fully supports these actions? Well they have not publicly
widely opposed this?
12-YEAR OLDS IS OK FOR JEWS?? Still perfectly acceptable practice in Israel
today.
This type of government is accepted as the norm to this day, and mind you
Rabin was supposed to be one of the good guys, Yeah how bad can it get?
And does any of the christian churches representatives allowed to see the
christians they pick up in these sweeps, dead or alive, or dont they even
bother?
Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for
anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500
Palestinians were seized, many of them as YOUNG AS TWELVE ; by the end of
January the number reached 4,000 and was rising
Is this some sort of cultural difference that God apparently accepts from
Jewish persons backed by the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other
Christian institutions?
The protestant and catholic churches in Ireland and England certainly did
not advocate this, nor did any politician publicly endorse breaking the
culprits hands, and the Irish kids were throwing Molotov cocktails in
exactly the same situation?
Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for
anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500
Palestinians were seized, many of them as YOUNG AS TWELVE ; by the end of
January the number reached 4,000 and was rising
The first priority is to use force, might, beatings. [This] is considered
more effective than detention ... [because] he may then resume stoning
soldiers. But if troops break his hand, he won't be able to throw stones
The protestant and catholic churches in Ireland and England certainly did
not advocate this, nor did any politician publicly endorse this type of
behaviour as God's law given to the chosen people? God would approve
according to the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian
instructions? And the Zionist supporters say that is ok? Zionist supporters
cheer them on?
And this fits neatly into the type of law that God would approve according
to the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian instructions?
No fear of Jews standing up against cruelty and sadism as the Christians DID
again and again.
The Testimony of a Rescuer
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/rescuer.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/Default.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/Denmark.htm
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay2.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/74P51.htm
They entered the house like animals, shouting," the 22-year old student at
Bir Zeit University said. "They took us from the house, kicking us in the
head, beating us, all the soldiers with their rifle butts."
This action by soldiers is not preverted, considered normal by who?
AND WHO IS SURPRISED THAT THEY ARMED THEMSELVES??
By April 1988 over 150 Palestinians had died. The Israeli government had
admitted to the arrest of 2,000 people, bringing the acknowledged total to
4,000. The real figure was far higher.
Sources in the West Bank and Gaza established that the number detained by
the weekend of March 27 had exceeded 13,000. Bassam Shaka'a, deposed Mayor
of Nablus, placed the total held solely in a hastily constructed barbed-wire
encampment at Dhariyah at 10,000.
And under these conditions people have no chance of being molested? Children
and parents would complain loudly about paedophilia, rape, forced incest,
sadistic and perverted against them? Of course and the church, there are
christians in this crowd that your jewish brothers dont like to talk about,
did the church race to check the wellbeing of there followers, were they
even allowed? God would approve according to the Christian Evangelical
Church/s led by G.Bush and our other Christian institutions?
In the Balata camp outside Nablus, and in the Casbah - the old quarter -
l, 000 people were arrested in a period of 48 hours. The discovery of people
in ditches in the fields - shot in the back or with their heads caved in -
has been reported from villages throughout the West Bank and Gaza
These actions are not on their own not considered perverted actions by the
Israeli army, that is practised till today, so to the Christian Evangelical
Church/s and our other Christian instutions feel this is God's law and are
sitting back without any criticism?
This is normal behaviour not breaking God's law and religious teachings? The
Christian Evangelical Church/s g.Bush and our other Christian institutions
feel this is God's law and is sitting back without any criticism?
Army units go from house to house pulling youths from their beds at 3 a.m.
As the buses fill, the soldiers beat the youths viciously around the head,
shins, groin and back. Shrieks fill the air.
These so called soldiers arent sick perverted human beings by these very
actions alone.And is this a sign of closet paedophilia or simply a sadistic
type of paedophilia or sadism that we feel God would overlook?
TWO OF THE CHILDREN, AGES 9 AND 11 , WERE TAKEN BY THE SOLDIERS IN THEIR
night clothes, frog-marched in the streets and beaten as they were forced by
the jeering soldiers to clear debris.
And of course no chance of rape, paedophilia or sexual perversions, they
have so many avenues to complain, the churh is ensuring that? The Christian
Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions feel this is God's
law and are ensuring support at least for the christians? Or sitting back
without any criticism?
And god's chosen have not shifted way out of the path one would consider the
way of God and are still the chosen people by the judgement of the Christian
Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions?
The Good Samaritan story has been declared redundant apparently by the
Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions feel
this is God's law and are sitting back without any criticism?
NEW YORK TIMES
Fleets of helicopters fly over Nablus at night dropping a dense, green toxic
gas over the city. The smell pervades every house. Armed units fire
canisters of the substance into houses at random. Doctors at Ittihad
Hospital reported several deaths and severe lung injuries from this as-yet
unidentified asphyxiating chemical, totally distinct from tear gas.
Among the victims was the grandmother of the Da'as family and the
100-year-old father of noted Nablus attorney Mohammad Irshaid. Soldiers had
entered the house at 2 a.m., smashing furniture and firing a canister of the
dreaded green gas while preventing the family from leaving.
Simultaneously, the Israeli army targeted the hospitals. Army trucks rammed
ambulances and blocked them from reaching the homes of those overcome by the
gas. Soldiers entered the Ittihad Hospital in Nablus numerous times,
arresting the wounded and those waiting to give blood to family members.
EVEN THE OPERATING THEATRE WAS INVADED WHILE SURGEONS WERE OPERATING ON
PATIENTS.
DOCTORS WERE BEATEN AND EQUIPMENT SMASHED. FAMILY MEMBERS WERE PREVENTED
FROM ENTERING THE HOSPITAL AND THE CARS OF DOCTORS AND NURSES WERE DESTROYED
BY SOLDIERS.
Meanwhile, all of Nablus was paralysed by a total strike. All the streets in
every quarter of the city were without open shops or business activity. As
gas permeated the city, cries and chants filled the night.
Gas canisters recovered by Bassam Shaka'a, Yousef al-Masri [chief of Ittihad
Hospital] and American author Alfred Lilienthal bear the markings "560 cs.
Federal Lab. Saltsburg, Pa. USA MK2 1988." Biochemists are studying their
properties as casualties mount.
JOHN KIFNER reported on April 4 that "Hundreds of refugees were treated in
United Nations clinics for gas inhalation." On April 15, Kifner wrote,
"...gas has been thrown inside homes, clinics and schools where the effects
are particularly severe."
This is still going on today, as the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our
other Christian institutions do not find this as going outside the teachings
and laws of God?
And they will be happy to learn that they will no longer be bothered by it
on regular news channels.
Why is it AP and Reuters no longer report the atrocities against unarmed
citizens in Israel?
http://www.honestreporting.com/?404;http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/AP3_Reiters_Omit_Terror_in_Israel.asp
And why are we supporting these people in this mad uncontrolled frenzy of
extreme ill treatment?
In the case of Rachel corrie
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
As far as I am aware from the numerous Jewish organisations that claim to
represent opposition to these ungodly and inhuman practices, was there not
one beside Rachel Corrie? Because if you were not beside her, clearly you
were all behind the bulldozer.
I have not heard of one lawyer acting against the Israeli government in
support of her civil rights in that country overflowing with lawyers?
And the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions
are still of the opinion that this is perfectly proper action for the chosen
people and not in contravention of god's teachings.
And God is going to back you whatever you do? Or do you people believe you
do not have to take notice of God, nor do you need his backing
the killing of Rachel Corrie a non Jewish American who was killed by the
IDF by being run down by a bulldozer,
and the driver then driving past the grieving peace vo;unteers with a smirk
on his face.
And apparently Christian america along with Christian Americans have not had
a word to say.
Just compare the difference below.
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
One guy gets 10 years, the other gets a raise and promotion?? For killing
a non jewish american? And gets to smirk about it?
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1993/051693.htm
Compounding the duplicity swirling around the case was the jurors'
remarkable verdict: Mr. Nelson was indeed guilty of depriving his victim of
his civil rights by stabbing him - but not by killing him. Thus, instead of
a possible life sentence, the murderer, with credit for time served, may be
a free man in a matter of months.
http://www.jlaw.com/Commentary/3dayriot.html
It is thus with intense interest that we watch as a federal jury in Brooklyn
hears the case of United States vs. Lemrick Nelson, Jr. and Charles Price --
respectively, the accused killer of Yankel Rosenbaum, and the man charged
with inciting the mob that pursued Rosenbaum. As Coalition goes to press,
the trial has finally begun and the prosecution is presenting powerful
evidence against the two defendants
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
http://electronicintifada.net/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/7/1248
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01AA7ECA-7018-447B-A10D-9E4139D4788A.htm
_
American and Australian shot by Israelis
Chris McGreal talks to the relatives of three British and American victims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html
http://www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8853425952359751341&q=Palestinian+people
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html
http://www.palestinefacts.org/index.php
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-2003112917164320.htm
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m25048&l=i&size=1&hd=0
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0197/9701007.htm
AND THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT LONDONS LORD MAYOR???
Everyone please go here =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK2xKURltqE&search=israelis%20
Christian homes being knocked down???
The new homes were built by a group of limited income Palestinian Christian
families who banded together as the Arab Orthodox Housing Project to build a
new life. They obtained a 99-year lease from their Church, the Greek
Orthodox Church, 22 years ago and then began the agonizing process of
organizing and saving enough money to start construction.
"We were renters for 40 years," Dalal Awad, a mother of five told me. "We
saved for 22 years and built this home with our neighbors. It cost $42,000.
We built it with our hearts, our own labor. Now the Israelis want to kill
our dream."
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/1607911.php
(Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).
Israeli soldiers can beat up a priest on the West Bank, then shoot up his
church during Mass, and only the Catholic press takes note...If Christians
had done such a thing to a synagogue, anywhere, it would have been
front-page news, everywhere. (Wanderer, Oct. 12, 1989, p. 7; National
Review, March 16, 1992, p. S-5).
Farmers harassed and shot in israel
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3757004.stm
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=53042
Zionist settler deliberately hits and kills Palestinian old man
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_3293.shtml
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_3396.shtml
http://judicial-inc.biz/School_shooting.htm
AND THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT LONDONS LORD MAYOR???
Everyone please go here =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK2xKURltqE&search=israelis%20
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/20deae4bed
c378ab?q=&rnum=1
Marlon Brando.
http://www.theunjustmedia.com/ben%20stein%20on%20jewish%20media%20control.htm
WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined, imprisoned or both for
discussing the topics set forth in this article.
The Jews declared war against Germany
On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
Like the yanks who rounded up all Japs and Germans?
Immediately after Japan declared war on the United States of America, the
order was issued to round up all Americans of Japanese ancestry and imprison
them in large camps.
http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html
"Benjamin Cramer" <benjiel...@alltimes.yeah> wrote in message
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Ø
> "Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1184981637.8...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 20, 6:23 pm, "Benjamin Cramer" <benjieluvstr...@alltimes.yeah>
> wrote:
> > Thanks for posting this Ted.
> >
> > I posted a document some months ago titled "The Ringworm Children" which
> > received the usual response from the yehoodies, attempting to play down
> > and
> > justfy their actions.
> >
> > This stuff needs to be made more publicly available.
>
>
> I had not seen this before, and yet even I was shocked by just how
> horrible Israel's founding ZioNazis really were. I don't know how
> they can downplay this story as too many victims still survive who
> can, and have testified, as to the events that occurred, the physical
> and documented factual evidence is overwhelming and he ZioNazi Reich
> has admitted doing so and agreed to compensate them once the word got
> out.
>
> Denying the Holocaust of the Sephardi Jews by the ZioNAzis is simply
> impossible.
>
> Yet they try to justify it and downplay it.
>
> Here's the document I posted some time back.
>
> A chilling tale of Zionist crimes against their brethren is known as The
> Ringworm Children.
>
> 4. In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim
> Sheba flew to America and returned with 7 x-ray machines, supplied to him
by
> the American army.
>
> They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation
> of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to
be
> given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing
> so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300,000 Israeli
> liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60,000 liras. The money paid by
> the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today.
>
> To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on
"school
> trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for
the
> scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after
their
> doses were given, the many of the rest developed cancers that killed them
> over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims
suffered
> from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic
> headaches and psychosis.
>
> Yes, that is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is another
> matter to see the victims on the screen. ie. To watch the Moroccan lady
> describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of allowable x-rays in her
head
> feels like.
>
> "I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make the
> headache go away. But it never went away."
>
> To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street.
>
> "I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to
stoop
> when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with those
> x-rays."
>
> To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of children.
>
> "They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared in
> burning gel.
>
> Then a ball was put between their legs and the children were ordered not
to
> drop it, so they wouldn't move. The children weren't protected over the
rest
> of their bodies. There were no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing
> good by helping to remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children
were
> facing, I would never have cooperated. Never!"
>
> Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of the
> children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We watch the
> woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my children have the
> same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to tell me that's a
> coincidence?"
>
> Everyone notices that Sephardi women in their fifties today, often have
> sparse patchy hair, which they try to cover with henna. Most of us assumed
> it was just a characteristic of Sephardi women. We watch the woman on the
> screen wearing a baseball-style hat. She places a picture of a lovely
young
> teenager with flowing black hair opposite the lens. "That was me before my
> treatment. Now look at me." She removes her hat. Even the red henna can't
> cover the horrifying scarred bald spots.
>
> The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most
> numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned
became
> the country's perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn't make sense. The
> Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated. The
> common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The real
> explanation is that every French Moroccan child didn't have his brain
cells
> fried with gamma rays.
>
> The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The
> dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the
official
> guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952.
> http://www.rense.com/general67/radd.htm
>
>
>
>
> > "Theodore Herzl" <AntiZioN...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1184978754.4...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > And for those who still defend the AshkeNAZIS (Jews of the German rite
> > > (aka Reich)) are not the Nazis of our time must read this article.
> > > I cannot wait for you to make excuses for this horrible atrocity that
> > > the AshkeNazia did to the poor and "undesirable Jew".
> >
> > > The AshkeNAZI's Fuhrer David Ben Gurion should be exhumed and his
> > > corpse scattered in a landfill where he belongs. .
> >
> > > =======================================
> > > 100,000 Radiations - A Review
> >
> > > by Barry Chamish
> >
> > > Date: August 21, 2004
> >
> > > On August 14, at 9 PM, Israeli television station, Channel Ten, broke
> > > all convention and exposed the ugliest secret of Israel's Labor
> > > Zionist founders; the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly
> > > all Sephardi youths.
> >
> > > The expose began with the presentation of a documentary film called,
> > > 100,000 Radiations, and concluded with a panel discussion moderated by
> > > TV host Dan Margalit, surprising because he is infamous for toeing the
> > > establishment line.
> >
> > > Film Details:
> >
> > > 100,000 Radiations, released by Dimona Productions Ltd. in 2003.
> >
> > > Producer - Dudi Bergman
> > > Directors - Asher Khamias, David Balrosen
> >
> > > Panel Discussion Participants
> >
> > > A Moroccan singer was joined by David Edri, head of the Compensation
> > > Committee for Ringworm X-Ray Victims, and Boaz Lev, a spokesman for
> > > the Ministry Of Health.
> >
> > > Subject:
> >
> > > In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr.
> > > Chaim Sheba flew to America and returned with 7 x-ray machines,
> > > supplied to him by the American army.
> >
> > > They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire
> > > generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every
> > > Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays
> > > through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the
> > > Israeli government 300,000 Israeli liras a year. The entire Health
> > > budget was 60,000 liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent
> > > to billions of dollars today. To fool the parents of the victims, the
> > > children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were
> > > later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal
> > > ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were
> > > given, the many of the rest developed cancers that killed them over
> > > time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims
> > > suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's
> > > disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.
> >
> > > Yes, that is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is
> > > another matter to see the victims on the screen. ie. To watch the
> > > Moroccan lady describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of allowable
> > > x-rays in her head feels like.
> >
> > > "I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make
> > > the headache go away. But it never went away."
> >
> > > To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street.
> >
> > > "I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to
> > > stoop when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with
> > > those x-rays."
> >
> > > To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of
> > > children.
> >
> > > "They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared
> > > in burning gel. Then a ball was put between their legs and the
> > > children were ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn't move. The
> > > children weren't protected over the rest of their bodies. There were
> > > no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing good by helping to
> > > remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children were facing, I
> > > would never have cooperated. Never!"
> >
> > > Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of
> > > the children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We
> > > watch the woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my
> > > children have the same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to
> > > tell me that's a coincidence?"
> >
> > > Everyone notices that Sephardi women in their fifties today, often
> > > have sparse patchy hair, which they try to cover with henna. Most of
> > > us assumed it was just a characteristic of Sephardi women. We watch
> > > the woman on the screen wearing a baseball-style hat. She places a
> > > picture of a lovely young teenager with flowing black hair opposite
> > > the lens. "That was me before my treatment. Now look at me." She
> > > removes her hat. Even the red henna can't cover the horrifying scarred
> > > bald spots.
> >
> > > The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most
> > > numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned
> > > became the country's perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn't make
> > > sense. The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly
> > > educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus
> > > smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan child
> > > didn't have his brain cells fried with gamma rays.
> >
> > > The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident.
> > > The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the
> > > official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952. The maximum dose to
> > > be given a child in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The
> > > children were deliberately poisoned.
> >
> > > David Deri, makes the point that only Sephardi children received the
x-
> > > rays.
> >
> > > "I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our
> > > names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The
> > > dark children were put on the bus."
> >
> > > The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the
> > > eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the
> > > ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the
> > > perceived weak strains of society. The film now quotes two noted anti-
> > > Sephardi racist Jewish leaders, Nahum Goldmann and Levi Eshkol.
> >
> > > Goldmann spent the Holocaust years first in Switzerland, where he made
> > > sure few Jewish refugees were given shelter, then flew to New York to
> > > become head of the World Jewish Congress headed by Samuel Bronfman.
> > > According to Canadian writer Mordecai Richler, Bronfman had cut a deal
> > > with Prime Minister Mackenzie King to prevent the immigration of
> > > European Jews to Canada.
> >
> > > But Levi Eshkol's role in the Holocaust was far more minister than
> > > merely not saving lives. He was busy taking them instead. From a
> > > biography of Levi Eshkol from the Israeli government web site:
> >
> > > "In 1937 Levi Eshkol played a central role in the establishment of the
> > > Mekorot Water Company and in this role was instrumental in convincing
> > > the German government to allow Jews emigrating to Palestine to take
> > > with them some of their assets - mostly in the form of German-made
> > > equipment."
> >
> > > While world Jewry was boycotting the Nazi regime in the '30s, the
> > > Jewish Agency in Jerusalem was propping up Hitler. A deal, called The
> > > Transfer Agreement, was cut whereby the Nazis would chase Germany's
> > > Jews to Palestine, and the Labor Zionists would force the immigrants
> > > to use their assets to buy only German goods. Once the Jewish Agency
> > > got the German Jews it wanted, those they secretly indoctrinated in
> > > the anti-Judaism of Shabtai Tzvi and Jacob Frank, they let the Nazis
> > > take care of the rest of European Jewry. The Holocaust was a eugenics
> > > program and Levi Eshkol played a major role in it.
> >
> > > The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. "It was a Holocaust, a
> > > Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to
> > > stop it."
> >
> > > David Deri, on film and then as a panel member, relates the
> > > frustration he encountered when trying to find his childhood medical
> > > records.
> >
> > > "All I wanted to know was what they did to me. I wanted to know who
> > > authorized it. I wanted to trace the chain of command. But the Health
> > > Ministry told me my records were missing."
> >
> > > Boaz Lev, the Health Ministry's spokesman chimes in, "Almost all the
> > > records were burned in a fire."
> >
> > > So let us help Mr. Deri trace the chain of command. But now I must
> > > intrude myself in the review. About six years ago, I investigated the
> > > kidnapping of some 4500, mostly Yemenite immigrant infants and
> > > children, during the early years of the state. I met the leader of the
> > > Yemenite children's movement, Rabbi Uzi Meshulum, imprisoned for
> > > trying to get the truth out. He was later returned home in a
> > > vegetative state from which he has not emerged. He told me that the
> > > kidnapped children were sent to America to die cruelly in nuclear
> > > experiments. The American government had banned human testing and
> > > needed guinea pigs. The Israeli government agreed to supply the humans
> > > in exchange for money and nuclear secrets. The initiator of Israel's
> > > nuclear program was Defence Ministry
> > > director-general Shimon Peres.
> >
> > > Rabbi David Sevilia of Jerusalem corroborated the crime and later, I
> > > even saw photos of the radiation scars on the few surviving children,
> > > and the cages the infants were shipped to America in.
> >
> > > Just over five years ago I published my belief on the internet, that
> > > Israel's Labor Zionist founders had conducted atomic experiments on
> > > Yemenite and other Sephardi children, killing thousands of them.
> > > Almost three years ago, I published the same assertion in my last
> > > book, Save Israel!. I suffered much scorn for doing so. However, I was
> > > right.
> >
> > > We return to the documentary. We are told that a US law in the late
> > > '40s put a stop to the human radiation experiments conducted on
> > > prisoners, the mentally feeble and the like. The American atomic
> > > program needed a new source of human lab rats and the
> >
> > ...
> >
> > read more »- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
And for those who still defend the AshkeNAZIS (Jews of the German rite
(aka Reich)) are not the Nazis of our time must read this article.
I cannot wait for you to make excuses for this horrible atrocity that
the AshkeNazia did to the poor and "undesirable Jew".
The AshkeNAZI's Fuhrer David Ben Gurion should be exhumed and his
corpse scattered in a landfill where he belongs. .
=======================================
100,000 Radiations - A Review
by Barry Chamish
Date: August 21, 2004
On August 14, at 9 PM, Israeli television station, Channel Ten, broke
all convention and exposed the ugliest secret of Israel's Labor
Zionist founders; the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly
all Sephardi youths.
The expose began with the presentation of a documentary film called,
100,000 Radiations, and concluded with a panel discussion moderated by
TV host Dan Margalit, surprising because he is infamous for toeing the
establishment line.
Film Details:
100,000 Radiations, released by Dimona Productions Ltd. in 2003.
Producer - Dudi Bergman
Directors - Asher Khamias, David Balrosen
Panel Discussion Participants
A Moroccan singer was joined by David Edri, head of the Compensation
Committee for Ringworm X-Ray Victims, and Boaz Lev, a spokesman for
the Ministry Of Health.
Subject:
In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr.
Chaim Sheba flew to America and returned with 7 x-ray machines,
supplied to him by the American army.
They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire
generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every
Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays
through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the
Israeli government 300,000 Israeli liras a year. The entire Health
budget was 60,000 liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent
to billions of dollars today. To fool the parents of the victims, the
children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were
later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal
ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were
given, the many of the rest developed cancers that killed them over
time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims
suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's
disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.
Yes, that is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is
another matter to see the victims on the screen. ie. To watch the
Moroccan lady describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of allowable
x-rays in her head feels like.
"I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make
the headache go away. But it never went away."
To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street.
"I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to
stoop when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with
those x-rays."
To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of
children.
"They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared
in burning gel. Then a ball was put between their legs and the
children were ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn't move. The
children weren't protected over the rest of their bodies. There were
no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing good by helping to
remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children were facing, I
would never have cooperated. Never!"
Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of
the children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We
watch the woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my
children have the same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to
tell me that's a coincidence?"
Everyone notices that Sephardi women in their fifties today, often
have sparse patchy hair, which they try to cover with henna. Most of
us assumed it was just a characteristic of Sephardi women. We watch
the woman on the screen wearing a baseball-style hat. She places a
picture of a lovely young teenager with flowing black hair opposite
the lens. "That was me before my treatment. Now look at me." She
removes her hat. Even the red henna can't cover the horrifying scarred
bald spots.
The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most
numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned
became the country's perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn't make
sense. The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly
educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus
smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan child
didn't have his brain cells fried with gamma rays.
The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident.
The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the
official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952. The maximum dose to
be given a child in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The
children were deliberately poisoned.
David Deri, makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-
rays.
"I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our
names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The
dark children were put on the bus."
The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the
eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the
ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the
perceived weak strains of society. The film now quotes two noted anti-
Sephardi racist Jewish leaders, Nahum Goldmann and Levi Eshkol.
Goldmann spent the Holocaust years first in Switzerland, where he made
sure few Jewish refugees were given shelter, then flew to New York to
become head of the World Jewish Congress headed by Samuel Bronfman.
According to Canadian writer Mordecai Richler, Bronfman had cut a deal
with Prime Minister Mackenzie King to prevent the immigration of
European Jews to Canada.
But Levi Eshkol's role in the Holocaust was far more minister than
merely not saving lives. He was busy taking them instead. From a
biography of Levi Eshkol from the Israeli government web site:
"In 1937 Levi Eshkol played a central role in the establishment of the
Mekorot Water Company and in this role was instrumental in convincing
the German government to allow Jews emigrating to Palestine to take
with them some of their assets - mostly in the form of German-made
equipment."
While world Jewry was boycotting the Nazi regime in the '30s, the
Jewish Agency in Jerusalem was propping up Hitler. A deal, called The
Transfer Agreement, was cut whereby the Nazis would chase Germany's
Jews to Palestine, and the Labor Zionists would force the immigrants
to use their assets to buy only German goods. Once the Jewish Agency
got the German Jews it wanted, those they secretly indoctrinated in
the anti-Judaism of Shabtai Tzvi and Jacob Frank, they let the Nazis
take care of the rest of European Jewry. The Holocaust was a eugenics
program and Levi Eshkol played a major role in it.
The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. "It was a Holocaust, a
Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to
stop it."
David Deri, on film and then as a panel member, relates the
frustration he encountered when trying to find his childhood medical
records.
"All I wanted to know was what they did to me. I wanted to know who
authorized it. I wanted to trace the chain of command. But the Health
Ministry told me my records were missing."
Boaz Lev, the Health Ministry's spokesman chimes in, "Almost all the
records were burned in a fire."
So let us help Mr. Deri trace the chain of command. But now I must
intrude myself in the review. About six years ago, I investigated the
kidnapping of some 4500, mostly Yemenite immigrant infants and
children, during the early years of the state. I met the leader of the
Yemenite children's movement, Rabbi Uzi Meshulum, imprisoned for
trying to get the truth out. He was later returned home in a
vegetative state from which he has not emerged. He told me that the
kidnapped children were sent to America to die cruelly in nuclear
experiments. The American government had banned human testing and
needed guinea pigs. The Israeli government agreed to supply the humans
in exchange for money and nuclear secrets. The initiator of Israel's
nuclear program was Defence Ministry
director-general Shimon Peres.
Rabbi David Sevilia of Jerusalem corroborated the crime and later, I
even saw photos of the radiation scars on the few surviving children,
and the cages the infants were shipped to America in.
Just over five years ago I published my belief on the internet, that
Israel's Labor Zionist founders had conducted atomic experiments on
Yemenite and other Sephardi children, killing thousands of them.
Almost three years ago, I published the same assertion in my last
book, Save Israel!. I suffered much scorn for doing so. However, I was
right.
We return to the documentary. We are told that a US law in the late
'40s put a stop to the human radiation experiments conducted on
prisoners, the mentally feeble and the like. The American atomic
program needed a new source of human lab rats and the Israeli
government supplied it.
Here was the government cabinet at the time of the ringworm
atrocities:
Prime Minister - David Ben Gurion
Finance Minister - Eliezer Kaplan
Settlement Minister - Levi Eshkol
Foreign Minister - Moshe Sharrett
Health Minister - Yosef Burg
Labor Minister - Golda Meir
Police Minister - Amos Ben Gurion
The highest ranking non-cabinet post belonged to the Director General
Of The Defence Ministry, Shimon Peres.
That a program involving the equivalent of billions of dollars of
American government funds should be unknown to the Prime Minister of
cash-strapped Israel is ridiculous. Ben Gurion was in on the horrors
and undoubtedly chose his son to be Police Minister in case anyone
interfered with them.
Now let's have a quick glance at the other plotters, starting with the
Finance Minister Eliezer Kaplan. He handled the profits of the
operation and was rewarded for eternity with a hospital named after
him near Rehovot. But he's not alone in this honor. The racist bigot
Chaim Sheba, who ran Ringworm Incorporated, had a whole medical
complex named after him. Needless to say, if there is an ounce of
decency in the local medical profession, those hospital names will
have to change.
Then there is Yosef Burg, who the leaders of the Yemenite Children's
movement insist was the most responsible for the kidnappings of their
infants. As Health Minister, he certainly played a pivotal role in the
Ringworm murders. That would go a great way to explaining the peculiar
behavior of his son, the peacemaker, Avraham Burg.
Let us not forget Moshe Sharrett, who had Rabbi Yoel Brand arrested in
Aleppo in 1944 for proposing a practical way to save 800,000 Jews
trapped in Hungary. Sharrett's most cited quote is, "If Shimon Peres
ever enters this government, I will tear my clothes and start to
mourn." Several Yemenite Children activists told me Sharrett was
referring to the kidnapping of the Yemenite children when he made this
statement.
And other amateur historians have told me that Levi Eshkol openly and
proudly announced his belief in the tenets of Shabtai Tzvi, but try as
I have, I haven't tracked down a citation. However, we do know of
Eshkol, that during the period of the radiations, he served first as
Settlement Minister, then took over from Kaplan as Finance Minister.
>From his bio:
"In 1951 Eshkol was appointed Minister of Agriculture and Development,
and from 1952 to 1963 - a decade characterized by unprecedented
economic growth despite the burden of financing immigrant absorption
and the 1956 Sinai Campaign - he served as Minister of Finance.
Between 1949 and 1963, Eshkol also served as head of the settlement
division of the Jewish Agency. In the first four years of statehood,
he was also treasurer of the Jewish Agency, largely responsible for
obtaining the funds for the country's development, absorption of the
massive waves of immigrants and equipment for the army."
In short, Eshkol was the person most responsible for Israel's
immigrants, the ones he sent to radiation torture chambers.
Finally, there is Golda Meir. We don't know her role, but she was in
on the secret and rewarded for it. Note that every prime minister
thereafter until 1977, when the honorable Menachem Begin was elected,
came from this cabal. And note also, that no one from what is called
the Right today, was privy to the slaughter of the Sephardi children.
Apply that lesson to a contemporary fact: It is the descendants of
these butchers who brought us the Oslo "peace" and are determined to
wipe out the settlers of Judea, Samaria and Gaza as surely as they had
dealt with the inferior dark Jews who came into their clutches fifty
years before.
Now try and imagine it is 1952 and you are in a cabinet meeting. You
will be debating whether to send the Yemenite babies to America for
their final zapping, or whether to have them zapped here. That is what
the Luciferian, satanic Sabbataian founders of our nation were
prattling on about when they got together to discuss the affairs of
state.
After the film ended, TV host Dan Margalit tried to put a better face
on what he'd
witnessed. Any face had to be better than what he had seen. He
explained meekly, "But the state was poor. It was a matter of day to
day survival." Then he stopped. He knew there was no excusing the
atrocities the Sephardi children endured.
But it was the Moroccan singer who summed up the experience best.
"It's going to hurt, but the truth has to be told. If not, the wounds
will never heal."
There is one person alive who knows the truth and participated in the
atrocities. He is Leader Of The Opposition Shimon Peres, the
peacemaker. The only way to get to the truth and start the healing is
to investigate him for his role in the kidnapping of 4500 Yemenite
infants and the mass poisoning of over 100,000 Sephardi children and
youths.
But here is why that won't happen. It is a miracle that 100,000
Radiations was broadcast at all. Clearly though, someone fought for it
but had to agree to a compromise. The show was aired at the same time
as the highest-rated show of the year, the final of Israel's, A Star
Is Born. The next day, there was not a word about 100,000 Radiations
in any paper, but the newly-born star's photo took up half the front
pages.
That's how the truth is buried in Israel, and somehow, these tricks
work. The same methods were used to cover up the Rabin assassination.
However, a few hundred thousand people saw the film on their screens
and they will never forget the truth. If the Rabin assassination
doesn't bury Labor Zionism for good, then 100,000 Radiations
eventually will.
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:12:03 -0500, Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Here is a quote from an article by Julius Streicher in 1944:
>
>Der Stürmer, #23/1944, What is Americanism
>
>"The family ties between hundreds of thousands of German families and
>their American relatives led many to think that America would never
>join a second war against Germany. Now that that has happened, many
>Germans still believe that America will never allow Bolshevism to
>conquer and destroy Germany. Recent events have proven how false and
>dangerous this idea is. One has to be be foolish or irredeemably
>stupid to believe that anything good can come to Europe from the land
>of presumed opportunity. That that did not happen after the First
>World War, and will not happen after the second. The Jews have made
>America what it is today: a nation raped by the Jews , a nation whose
>130,000,000 people of many colors and races have been forced into
>helping the Jews achieve world domination!"
Yes, Julius Streicher said it.
Zev
news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains theyw
> ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone thought
> Israel shut down the power.
Someone who believes that Israel is not required
to feed its enemies or to ensure their comforts
is a "Zionazi"?
Little Johnny Howard
No worries, Susan. Everyone of us who hates ragheads should work
together.
Little Johnny Howard
??? Have you been hitting the bottle again, Shorn?
Stuart Jackson
Republican). I'm so tired of koolaid drinking NEOCON's like yourself
always blaming the victim. The Zionists essentially ripped off the
land from the Arabs in 1948 (via the UN) and have been terrorizing the
Palestinians ever since. Hamas is merely fighting back. Israel is
pure evil. Wake up.
Stuart Jackson
I've ever come across. I am a Christian and it baffles me that any
Christian would support the terrorizing regime of Israel. The likes
of Evangelical leader John Hagee raise tens of millions of dollars for
Israel; he could only achieve this when a very dumbed down
congregation. True Christians support the Palestinians.
Wolfie
True Christians support tolerance, anti-violence and justice for all.
There are extremists on both sides that fuel the fires of hate.
However that doesn't mean that some Christian churches
have not been subverted by money to deliver a particular
message. Fact is, its very odd when you consider that
there are potentially a billion possible converts to
Christianity from the Muslim faith yet there are Christian
churches that focus solely on supporting Judeaism and
outraging other religions by doing so. We're meant to set
an example, not pretend we're back in the Crusades.
Odd.
--
Wolfie
Justin Case
"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone thought
> Israel shut down the power.
Justin Case
"Stuart Jackson" <bjack...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3654cdad-84f8-4582...@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Naive? Hardly naive in the sense you mean. They are intentionally blind
rather than naive. They fail to see what Islam really is. They pray to God
to protect them from evil while on the other hand embrace the evil called
Islam.
Wolfie
How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
for acts carried out by partisans?
--
Wolfie
Justin Case
You ought to read documentation concerning the creation of Israel. Try
going to the UN web site. The Middle East was partitioned into different
countries after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. This was spoils of war
and countries were created which never existed. Arabs originated within the
Middle East the same as Jews originated in the Middle East. No, Israel does
not have a Moslem government but why should it?
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian People" but if there were then Jews
would also be considered Palestinians. The (re)creation of previous and new
countries was initiated at the end of WWI and this included Israel.
The Israelis have not been terrorizing anyone as it was the Arabs living in
Israel who departed when many Arab countries initiated a war of annihilation
in 1948. Some Arabs stayed and since have become Israeli citizens. Quite a
difference. Voluntarily leaving compared to many Jews forced from Arab
countries, property confiscated and deported.
Hamas is no more "fighting back" than the PLO were good guys when they
hijacked planes, blew up planes, hijacked cruise ships or killed Olympic
participants.
Stuart Jackson
> "Stuart Jackson" <bjackson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I talk to lots of Christian Zionists and their "world view" of the
Middle East comes down to this (nothing more, nothing less):
THE THREE TENETS OF AMERICAN CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS
1 - Nearly all Muslims are evil and inherently "terrorists"
2 - God blesses those who bless Israel (this is the main reason they
support Israel)
3 - Israel is an ally and "friend" of the USA and as good Christians,
we must support our friends
Of the Christian Zionists I talk to, I'd say 90% have almost no
understanding or even a hint of knowledge pertaining to Middle East
history. Some have been to Israel on what I call "happy tours" where
they visit all the Christian sites and when going into the West Bank,
they take only the Jewish roads, visit a Jewish settlement and the
Zionist tour guide (nothing more than a Zionist propagandist)
contrasts the so-called "indiginous Jews" with "those evil
Palestinians who are always trying to kill us".
Seon Ferguson
"Zev" <zev_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Someone who thinks Israel has the right to murder innocent women and
children just because militents kidnapped 2 Israel soldiers. Someone who
thinks God gave the Jews Israel and that the Jews are Gods chosen people and
someone who thinks Israel has the right to cut power and prevent supplies
going to innocent women and chidlren is a Zionazi. I think you all should be
ashamed of yourself's.
Seon Ferguson
"Little Johnny Howard" <pmjwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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At least I know how to spell.
Seon Ferguson
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
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But there Jews, they have been persecuted. Remember the Holocaust? Anyone
who stands up for the women and children Israel oppresses is automatically
anti Semite and a holocaust denier etc.
Peter Webb
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
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Because the Nazis "targeted" innocent people. Israel doesn't. Civilians get
killed in wars all the time. This doesn't mean that every country that goes
to war is no different to Nazis, and specifically doesn't mean that Israel
behaves like Nazis.
HTH
Peter Webb
Doug
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> ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone thought
> Israel shut down the power.
Ooops, Seon "Abdul" Ferguson's attempt at anti-zionist/jewish propaganda
failed. At
least he admits it.
Doug
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Duh, maybe because firing rockets from a country is considered an
act of war SFB.
Doug
Of course, the muslims would *NEVER* hurt innocent civilians -- particularly
if they're jewish. Asshat.
Doug
Yeah Defendario, you're the example for all 'Christians' aren't
you?
Mudslums slaughtered over 2.5 million christians in the 20th century,
how many did the jews kill (and I mean DIRECTLY, not through
falsified proxies).
Little Johnny Howard
Well said, Justin.
Wolfie
people with that epithet for it to have any meaning.
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
Heydrich said the same. Thats why he ended up being called
"Hangman".
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
What's your point apart from trying to justify genocide to suit
your point of view and negate it for others?
--
Wolfie
Seon Ferguson
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innocent people going to save the 2 soldiers?
Seon Ferguson
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Muslims.
Typical Zionazi propaganda.
Peter Webb
Gee, I didn't see anything about that in the article that was posted. It did
mention that the Palestinians have fired 220 rockets into Israel in 4 days,
and Israel has done nothing in retaliation.
Seems the exact opposite of Nazism to me, but anti-semites don't seem to
ever care about the facts, or be able to stay on-topic.
Stuart Jackson
> going to the UN web site. The Middle East was partitioned into different
> countries after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. This was spoils of war
> and countries were created which never existed. Arabs originated within the
> Middle East the same as Jews originated in the Middle East. No, Israel does
> not have a Moslem government but why should it?
I know all that history: British Mandate, French, etc., Balfour,
etc. And you're point is????
> There is no such thing as a "Palestinian People" but if there were then Jews
> would also be considered Palestinians. The (re)creation of previous and new
> countries was initiated at the end of WWI and this included Israel.
No no. "Israel" didn't get created until after WWII (June of 1948).
Also, don't redefine the lexicon, that trick is so old and worn out.
The Palestinians are the indiginous Arabs who have been inhabiting
what is now "Israel", West Bank, and Gaza for the past 2,000 years
(the Palestinians represented about 95% of the population there until
about the 1920's when Zionists began in earnest to colonize (or shall
we say re-colonize) these lands after 2,000 of absence.
> The Israelis have not been terrorizing anyone as it was the Arabs living in
> Israel who departed when many Arab countries initiated a war of annihilation
> in 1948. Some Arabs stayed and since have become Israeli citizens. Quite a
> difference. Voluntarily leaving compared to many Jews forced from Arab
> countries, property confiscated and deported.
Standard Zionist lies.... straight from the ADL playbook.
"Voluntarily leaving"? When the UN created "Israel", Zionist leaders
continued their ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs from what is now
modern day "Israel". The new "State" of "Israel" quickly destroyed
hundreds of Palestinian villages and about 800,000 Palestinians were
forced out and became refuges. The Arab countries surrounding
"Israel" did attack the Zionist squatters who displaced the indiginous
Palestinians.
Arab Israelis are 2nd class citizens and you know it.
Jews were not "forced" from Arab countries immediately after 1948,
they voluntarily moved to "Israel" ie. migrated to the new Jewish
homeland. Jews were encouraged with lots of incentives (financial and
otherwise) by Ben Gurion to populate "Israel".
> Hamas is no more "fighting back" than the PLO were good guys when they
> hijacked planes, blew up planes, hijacked cruise ships or killed Olympic
> participants.
It's called warfare.... sometimes directly targeting Zionist
civillians and other times directing targeting the IDF or the
political leadership of "Israel". FYI, the IDF kills 30 times as many
Palestinian civillians as Palestinians kill Jewish civilians. Do you
know anything about the King David Hotel bombing, you know... Jewish
terrorism? How about Baruch Goldstein who slaughtered dozens of
Palestinians in 1994 who were simply praying in Hebron? More Jewish
terrorism. How about the dozens of former IDF soldiers who went AWOL
in protest to the IDF's indiscriminate shooting into Palestinian West
Bank villages, killing dozens of Palestinian civillians. More Jewish
terrorism.
Wolfie
for them when their settlers were in Afghanistan with the Soviet Army
in 1980.
--
Wolfie
Justin Case
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
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fired from.
And BTW. Your comment can also be asked of the terrorists. Those civilians
on the receiving end of the rockets have nothing to do with the predicament
of the Arabs.
>
>
> --
> Wolfie
Justin Case
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
Why do so many fail to condemn or even provide negative commments towards
Arabs and their atrocities but are quick to blame Israel for any misdeeds.
If the world condemmned the Arabs with half the enthusiam of which they
condemmn Israel then maybe sommething positve could happen.
>
> --
> Wolfie
Wolfie
> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
> news:6bydnRir9sIwIwXa...@comcast.com...
>> Justin Case wrote:
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>>> theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone
>>>> thought Israel shut down the power.
>>> A much better solution is to return a 500 pound bomb for each fired
>>> rocket,
>> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
>> for acts carried out by partisans?
> There is simple technology for determining precisely where the rocket was
> fired from.
>
> And BTW. Your comment can also be asked of the terrorists. Those civilians
> on the receiving end of the rockets have nothing to do with the predicament
> of the Arabs.
So reprisal for the whole population, innocent or not.
Vercors, Lidice, Rome.
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
Don't class me in that group. I loathe all of you racist,
xenophobes that spread hate speech against any peoples.
--
Wolfie
Peter Webb
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
Ummm ... according to the story that we are discussing, Hamas has launched
220 rockets against innocent Israeli citizens in the last four days, and
Israel has taken no reprisals at all. I could find no mention of cluster
bombs in the article.
Are you making things up, or just deciding to wander off-topic because the
facts don't suit your prejudices?
Peter Webb
I don't think he called you "Abdul" because you are opposing Israel and
America; I think he called you that because you are supporting the Muslim
terrorists.
Indeed, he couldn't possibly be calling you "Abdul" because you are opposing
America; the US was not mentioned in the story, has not been mentioned in
this thread, and are not involved at all in the subject we are discussing.
So clearly your hypothesis is incorrect.
Not that anti-semites ever let the facts get in the way of accusing somebody
of being a "Zionazi", what ever that is.
jgarbuz
> > You ought to read documentation concerning the creation of Israel. Try
> > going to the UN web site. The Middle East was partitioned into different
> > countries after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. This was spoils of war
> > and countries were created which never existed. Arabs originated within the
> > Middle East the same as Jews originated in the Middle East. No, Israel does
> > not have a Moslem government but why should it?
>
> I know all that history: British Mandate, French, etc., Balfour,
> etc. And you're point is????
>
> > There is no such thing as a "Palestinian People" but if there were then Jews
> > would also be considered Palestinians. The (re)creation of previous and new
> > countries was initiated at the end of WWI and this included Israel.
>
> No no. "Israel" didn't get created until after WWII (June of 1948).
> Also, don't redefine the lexicon, that trick is so old and worn out.
> The Palestinians are the indiginous Arabs who have been inhabiting
> what is now "Israel", West Bank, and Gaza for the past 2,000 years<
The so-called Palestinians are no more indigenous than the Jews. The
native American "Indians" who have inhabited the continent well over
15,000 years are indigenous. It is a myth, nay a lie, that the Arabs
are indigenous. DNA analysis has shown almost conclusively that a
large percentage of Jews can be traced back genetically to the
Israelites, as indeed can some Palestinians. While Jews have lived in
far flung places such as Spain, Germany, Mesopotamia, India and other
places in some cases for over 2,000 years, nobody would say that the
Jews are "indigenous" to Spain, Germany, Iraq or India.
> (the Palestinians represented about 95% of the population there until
> about the 1920's when Zionists began in earnest to colonize (or shall
> we say re-colonize) these lands after 2,000 of absence.<
That is true, but the League of Nations upheld the Balfour Declaration
in 1922, and ruled that Jews may return to resettle Palestine and
restore the Jewish National Home therein. It was the League of Nations
that gave the Jews the "right of return" to Palestine.
> > The Israelis have not been terrorizing anyone as it was the Arabs living in
> > Israel who departed when many Arab countries initiated a war of annihilation
> > in 1948. Some Arabs stayed and since have become Israeli citizens. Quite a
> > difference. Voluntarily leaving compared to many Jews forced from Arab
> > countries, property confiscated and deported.
>
> Standard Zionist lies.... straight from the ADL playbook.
> "Voluntarily leaving"? When the UN created "Israel", Zionist leaders
> continued their ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs from what is now
> modern day "Israel". <
There was no "ethnic cleansing" before 1948 at all, and it was the
Arab attack on the nascent UN-authorized State of Israel in 1948 that
was the cause of both refugee problems: the Palestinian and the Jewish
refugee situation from the Arab countries after 1948.
> The new "State" of "Israel" quickly destroyed
> hundreds of Palestinian villages and about 800,000 Palestinians were
> forced out and became refuges.<
Only a small proportion were forced out. The overwhelming majority
left of their own accord, to escape the war. They were egged on by
Arab propaganda that the Jews were raping women and committing
atrocities, most of which was sheer balderdash. Most assumed that they
would be able to return withn weeks, to loot the Jewish properties
after they had been defeated and killed.
> The Arab countries surrounding
> "Israel" did attack the Zionist squatters who displaced the indiginous
> Palestinians.
> Arab Israelis are 2nd class citizens and you know it.<
Arabs are in better shape in Israel than in most ARab countries, and
are not treated as "dhimmis" as Jews were in the Arab countries for
long stretches of time.
> Jews were not "forced" from Arab countries immediately after 1948,
> they voluntarily moved to "Israel" ie. migrated to the new Jewish
> homeland. <
Tell it to some of my Egyptian Jewish friends in Israel. They'll tell
you a very different story.
> Jews were encouraged with lots of incentives (financial and
> otherwise) by Ben Gurion to populate "Israel".
>
> > Hamas is no more "fighting back" than the PLO were good guys when they
> > hijacked planes, blew up planes, hijacked cruise ships or killed Olympic
> > participants.
>
> It's called warfare.... sometimes directly targeting Zionist
> civillians and other times directing targeting the IDF or the
> political leadership of "Israel". FYI, the IDF kills 30 times as many
> Palestinian civillians as Palestinians kill Jewish civilians. <
That's how you win wars. By destroying more of the enemy than they do
of you.
> Do you
> know anything about the King David Hotel bombing, you know... Jewish
> terrorism? How about Baruch Goldstein who slaughtered dozens of
> Palestinians in 1994 who were simply praying in Hebron? More Jewish
> terrorism. How about the dozens of former IDF soldiers who went AWOL
> in protest to the IDF's indiscriminate shooting into Palestinian West
> Bank villages, killing dozens of Palestinian civillians. More Jewish
> terrorism.<
Jewish terrorism, with a few exceptions, lasted for a brief period
time after WWII. As soon as Israel became a state, all the underground
groups were quickly disbanded. In any case, it was the Arabs who
first used terror against Jewish civilians in Palestine first, and the
Jewish terrorist groups mostly retaliated in kind. ANd they were
denounced by the mainstream Jewish Agency for it. In fact, for a long
time Ben Gurion worked wth the British to round up Jewish terrorists.
In some cases, they were hanged.
Justin Case
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
Wouldn't you consider the Arab attack of 1948 a reprisal? Or the other Arab
wars of agression against Israel?
>
>
> --
> Wolfie
Justin Case
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
> Justin Case wrote:
>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>> news:6bydnRir9sIwIwXa...@comcast.com...
>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>>>> theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when
>>>>> everyone thought Israel shut down the power.
>>>> A much better solution is to return a 500 pound bomb for each fired
>>>> rocket,
>>> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
>>> for acts carried out by partisans?
>> There is simple technology for determining precisely where the rocket was
>> fired from.
>>
> Requiring cluster bombs??
No, the origin of the rockets can be tracked by radar. And neither are
homocide murderers exploding themselves amongst innocent people.
Doug
Except the jews, right?
Doug
Wolfie/Defendario doesn't let small things like facts get in the
way of a *REALLY* good story.
Doug
I've heard religion is the opiate of the masses, but I've never actually
seen it in action as such.
Stuart Jackson
> in 1922, and ruled that Jews may return to resettle Palestine and
> restore the Jewish National Home therein. It was the League of Nations
> that gave the Jews the "right of return" to Palestine.
The Balfour declaration mandated that Jews must respect the native
Arab population of Palestine. Is tearing down hundreds of Arab
villages respect? Was the League of Nations God? What moral
authority did they have? The League of Nations was a bigger joke and
less respected than even the UN is today. Did that pre-UN body
consult with the million or so Palestinian Arabs living in what was
then British Mandate Palestine about Jewish "right to return" after
2,000 years? Of course not.
> > > The Israelis have not been terrorizing anyone as it was the Arabs living in
> > > Israel who departed when many Arab countries initiated a war of annihilation
> > > in 1948. Some Arabs stayed and since have become Israeli citizens. Quite a
> > > difference. Voluntarily leaving compared to many Jews forced from Arab
> > > countries, property confiscated and deported.
>
> > Standard Zionist lies.... straight from the ADL playbook.
> > "Voluntarily leaving"? When the UN created "Israel", Zionist leaders
> > continued their ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs from what is now
> > modern day "Israel". <
>
> There was no "ethnic cleansing" before 1948 at all, and it was the
> Arab attack on the nascent UN-authorized State of Israel in 1948 that
> was the cause of both refugee problems: the Palestinian and the Jewish
> refugee situation from the Arab countries after 1948.
"Israel" wanted NOTHING to do with the Arabs who were living in
British Palestine (about a million Arabs in 1946). Zionists destroyed
hundreds of Arab villages in "Israel". Palestinians fled and, yes,
also because of the Arab-Israeli war. But you seem to have a problem
understanding cause and effect. The root cause of the conflict is the
idea of Zionism, ie. re-colonizing Arab Palestine as a Jewish homeland
after a 2,000 year Jewish absence.
"Jewish refuges".... excuse me? Jews were merely moving (from Arab
countries) to the newly created Jewish homeland of "Israel". The
State of "Israel" set them up nicely. Ben Gurion pushed hard for
Jewish immigration of the diaspora to "Israel".
> > The new "State" of "Israel" quickly destroyed
> > hundreds of Palestinian villages and about 800,000 Palestinians were
> > forced out and became refuges.<
>
> Only a small proportion were forced out. The overwhelming majority
> left of their own accord, to escape the war. They were egged on by
> Arab propaganda that the Jews were raping women and committing
> atrocities, most of which was sheer balderdash. Most assumed that they
> would be able to return withn weeks, to loot the Jewish properties
> after they had been defeated and killed.
Regardless of the exact number of Palestinians forced out, why should
any be forced off their land? Remember, the Jews left 2,000 years
ago. Done. Over. Many left to escape the war but, again, refer to
my comment above on the root cause of the conflict. Yes, most
Palestinians thought they'd be able to return to their villages in
Palestine after the war was over, but these refuges never were able to
return, were they? Even to this day they can't return. Hence, the
Zionists stole the Palestinians land. This fact cannot be disputed.
> > The Arab countries surrounding
> > "Israel" did attack the Zionist squatters who displaced the indiginous
> > Palestinians.
> > Arab Israelis are 2nd class citizens and you know it.<
>
> Arabs are in better shape in Israel than in most ARab countries, and
> are not treated as "dhimmis" as Jews were in the Arab countries for
> long stretches of time.
Totally irrelevant to argue that Arabs in Israel are better off than
elsewhere. The issue is about an occupied people (ie. Palestinians)
and land theft. And for the record, Arab Israelis ARE INDEED 2nd
class citizens. This is widely documented. And how are Palestinians
in the West Bank treated? They are occupied people. Why are 400,000
Jews living inside the West Bank, in Jewish-only settlements, with
Israeli-only roads, against UN Resolution 242? Why does the security
wall go deep into the West Bank? More land theft, that's why.
> > Jews were not "forced" from Arab countries immediately after 1948,
> > they voluntarily moved to "Israel" ie. migrated to the new Jewish
> > homeland. <
>
> Tell it to some of my Egyptian Jewish friends in Israel. They'll tell
> you a very different story.
Anecdotal bullshit ("my friends told me"). Let me provide you with
something more sound... ask the 25,000 Jews living in Iran how their
life is... they'll tell you Iran treats them well and is not a hostile
place to live whatsoever. Google "Iran Jews"... there have been many
stories about this lately. Here is one story:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hiBRiBzCQQrlhVxYAcTBMEfMf8VwD8TPFUS00
> > Jews were encouraged with lots of incentives (financial and
> > otherwise) by Ben Gurion to populate "Israel".
>
> > > Hamas is no more "fighting back" than the PLO were good guys when they
> > > hijacked planes, blew up planes, hijacked cruise ships or killed Olympic
> > > participants.
>
> > It's called warfare.... sometimes directly targeting Zionist
> > civillians and other times directing targeting the IDF or the
> > political leadership of "Israel". FYI, the IDF kills 30 times as many
> > Palestinian civillians as Palestinians kill Jewish civilians. <
>
> That's how you win wars. By destroying more of the enemy than they do
> of you.
Let me get this straight... Jews steal Palestinians land, kill them at
a much higher rate, occupy them for 41 years in the West Bank,
continue stealing their land in the West Bank in form of Jewish-ONLY
settlements, ignore UN resolutions for 40+ years... and you dare to
call the Palestinians the "enemy"???.......... Zionists employ Nazi-
like behavior, as outlined above.
> > Do you
> > know anything about the King David Hotel bombing, you know... Jewish
> > terrorism? How about Baruch Goldstein who slaughtered dozens of
> > Palestinians in 1994 who were simply praying in Hebron? More Jewish
> > terrorism. How about the dozens of former IDF soldiers who went AWOL
> > in protest to the IDF's indiscriminate shooting into Palestinian West
> > Bank villages, killing dozens of Palestinian civillians. More Jewish
> > terrorism.<
>
> Jewish terrorism, with a few exceptions, lasted for a brief period
> time after WWII.
Goldstein in Hebron (1994). Did you miss that part? IDF defectors
who rejected the wanton "video game" mentality of the IDF within the
West Bank... miss that part too?
> In any case, it was the Arabs who
> first used terror against Jewish civilians in Palestine first, and the
> Jewish terrorist groups mostly retaliated in kind.
Oh really? So it's all the Arabs fault. I see. After 2,000 years
and here come the Jews "coming home". You think that maybe some
Palestinians aren't going to like that idea, you think? Again, you
seem to have a problem understanding cause and effect. The root cause
of the problem is Zionism, ie. the creating of a Jewish-only homeland
on land inhabited by Arabs (ie. Palestinians) for 2,000 years.
Seon Ferguson
are Jews. The problem is whenever people criticise the Jews its like
remember the holocaust they were persecuted throughout history blah blah
blah.
Seon Ferguson
America. Or maybe I'm racist against China because I oppose Communism. By
the way you seem to hate Arabs, doesn't hating Arabs make you an anti
Semite? accusing people of being anti Semite is the tactics of someone who
doesn't have the brains to debate the facts so they just use smear against
there opponent and try to censor all who oppose Israel by accusing them of
being racist. Come on its getting old.
I was referring to last years war when Israel bombed innocent women and
children who had NOTHING to do with kidnapping the 2 soldiers.
Seon Ferguson
actions then he is a idiot. Anyone with half a brain knows that if the
neocons continue there course of actions terrorisim will only increase, not
decrease and you say I support terrorisim?
Your a anti semite as well if hate Arabs and want to deport them. I have
found that those who call me racist are usually guilty of being the exact
same thing.
Justin Case
Holy Land. By contrast, the Jews, despite 2000 years of persecution and
forced conversions by various conquerors, have always been the majority
population there. When General Allenby, the commander of the British
military forces, conquered Palestine in 1917/1918, only about 5000 Arabs
resided there. Other Muslims in the area either came from Turkey under the
Ottoman Empire, or were the descendants of Jews and Christians who were
forcefully converted to Islam by the Muslim conquerors. None of these other
Muslims were of Arab origin.
The local inhabitants did not call themselves "Palestinians". The concept of
a "Palestinian" to describe the local residents has not yet been invented;
neither was there ever in history a "Palestinian Arab" nation. None of
today's Arabs have any ancestral relationship to the original Biblical
Philistines who are now extinct. Even Arab historians have admitted
Palestine never existed.
I
The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to
Palestine after 1918, from neighboring Arab countries, predominantly from
areas now known as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.
None of these countries existed as nations prior to 1913. They were nothing
but a disorganized collection of tribes, constantly terrorizing each other,
trying to seize land from their neighbors. Unfortunately, those Arab
immigrants, imported into the Holy Land their age-old culture of terrorizing
neighbors to seize land. Many of them were social outcasts and criminals who
could not find jobs in their own countries so they searched for their luck
elsewhere. Some of them were accepted by the British regime as a source of
cheap labor and were allowed to settle on unoccupied Jewish land in
Palestine. Even Yassir Arafat, the leader of the PLO, is not a native of the
Holy Land. He was born in 1929 in Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian
army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956. He
then moved to Saudi-Arabia and founded the Al-Fatah terror organization, the
precursor to the PLO, in Kuwait in 1958, together with his Saudi-Arabian
friends.
The governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey El Hurani,
admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000
Syrians from Hauran had moved to Palestine. Even British Prime Minister
Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early
years of the British mandate in the Holy Land, noted in 1939 that "far from
being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied."
The real problem facing those Arabs today is not the lack of a homeland. The
historical root-cause of their problem and frustration is the fact that the
countries they came from have not agreed to accept them back in. This is why
so many of them live, up until today, in refugee camps, in neighboring Arab
countries, lacking fundamental civil rights. In their frustration they feel
that the only hope and choice they have is to try and steal a country. Many
of the vehicles and the agricultural equipment in the Palestinian Authority
have been stolen from their Israeli neighbors. For a while, Israel suffered
the highest rate of automobile thefts in the world! Most of these stolen
vehicles were later found in towns and villages of the Palestinian
Authority. If stealing vehicles is so easy, why not try and steal the
country too?
In their propaganda, the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians"
consistently demand that Israel and the world recognize their pre-1948
rights. That's about 54 years ago. Mysteriously, they are never willing to
add another 54 years to their "historical" claims on the Holy Land. They
know very well that doing so will send them back to where they came from -
Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. Years ago,
during negotiations with the, so-called, Palestinians, someone in Israel
proposed to revise a mention of their claim to pre-1948 rights and replace
it with pre-1917. The "Palestinians" vehemently opposed. Now we know why.
The Muslim religion was invented by Muhammad in the 7th century AD, in Saudi
Arabia. He never visited Jerusalem and the Holy Land, and did not consider
it important enough to be mentioned in the Koran even once. By comparison,
the land of the Jewish Holy Temple in Jerusalem was purchased by King David,
for the Jewish people, approximately 850 years BCE, and the deed, the name
of the previous owner, and the purchase price were recorded in the Bible
(See Samuel II Ch. 24 and Chronicles I Ch. 21).
There is only one possible solution to the "Palestinians" desire for a
homeland. If helping them go back to where they lived 54 years ago is their
own definition of justice, then helping them go back to where they lived 108
years ago is, by the same definition, a better justice - double the justice.
Let's all help them get the better justice they deserve - let them go back
to where they came from.
n 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: "There
is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented.
Palestine is alien to us."
In 1946, Princeton's Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti,
told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: "It's common knowledge, there
is no such thing as Palestine in history."
In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian
Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper
Trouw: "The 'Palestinian people' does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the
state of Israel."
Justin Case
You speak through both sides of yoru mouth. Do you condemn Arabs for what
they do wihtin their own countries? Jews are hardly above criticism but it
needs to be fair criticism, not one sided. Do you criticism Arabs who want
nothing other than to remove all Jews from Israel? Do you criticize Arab
countries who will not allow any Jew into their countries? Do you consider
Arabs who kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Do you criticize
indiscriminate rocket aattacks aimed at civilian targets? Do you criticize
terrorist Arabs who blend in with innocent Arabs so as to cause innocent
brothers to be killed in inevitable defensive attaacks?
Look, at least have the integrity to admit your position.
>
Wolfie
on reprisals on civilian populations is indefensible.
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
Hell, are we back in 1948 now? When is Israel going to launch an
attack on Rome to make them pay for Silva and the Fretensis
legion at Masada??
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
> news:j5mdnch5SYLErATa...@comcast.com...
>> Justin Case wrote:
>>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>>> news:6bydnRir9sIwIwXa...@comcast.com...
>>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>>>>> theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when
>>>>>> everyone thought Israel shut down the power.
>>>>> A much better solution is to return a 500 pound bomb for each fired
>>>>> rocket,
>>>> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
>>>> for acts carried out by partisans?
>>> There is simple technology for determining precisely where the rocket was
>>> fired from.
>>>
>> Requiring cluster bombs??
>
> No, the origin of the rockets can be tracked by radar. And neither are
> homocide murderers exploding themselves amongst innocent people.
So why were cluster bombs necessary if they knew with such
precision?
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
No, not except the Jews. Against ANY peoples.
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
You're inventing imaginary friends for me? You're insane.
--
Wolfie
Seon Ferguson
"Justin Case" <thin...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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people, argue against people who think Mossad agensts caused 911 or idiot
Holocaust deniers I get accused of being a Zionist, when I critcise Israel
for murdering innocent women and children and taking Arab land I get accused
of being a anti Semite so you know what call me whatever the fuck you want I
don't give a shit anymore.
I'm a anti Semite Mossad shill are you people happy now? Maybe I should make
that my new usenet screen name so no matter who you are I have you covered.
Peter Webb
>>> You have to admit Israel does go overboard. How is bombing a village
>>> full of innocent people going to save the 2 soldiers?
>>>
>>
>> Gee, I didn't see anything about that in the article that was posted. It
>> did mention that the Palestinians have fired 220 rockets into Israel in 4
>> days, and Israel has done nothing in retaliation.
>>
>> Seems the exact opposite of Nazism to me, but anti-semites don't seem to
>> ever care about the facts, or be able to stay on-topic.
> I guess I'm racist against America because I oppose the nocon policy in
> America. Or maybe I'm racist against China because I oppose Communism. By
> the way you seem to hate Arabs, doesn't hating Arabs make you an anti
> Semite?
No, I don't hate Muslims. I don't even hate "the Palestinian State", being a
common way that racists attempt to disguise their prejudices by talking
about a group rather than individuals.
> accusing people of being anti Semite is the tactics of someone who doesn't
> have the brains to debate the facts so they just use smear against there
> opponent and try to censor all who oppose Israel by accusing them of being
> racist. Come on its getting old.
I did debate. I pointed out that what you said was completely irrelevant to
the subject (the story) being discussed. You are the person who has failed
to debate the topic being discussed, as indeed you are doing right now.
> I was referring to last years war when Israel bombed innocent women and
> children who had NOTHING to do with kidnapping the 2 soldiers.
>
So, you were discussing a completely different episode that had nothing to
do with the events being discussed.
Like I said, anti-semites don't seem to care about the facts (you have
completely ignored the facts of the matter being discussed), and cannot stay
on topic (you want to discuss different events, at a different time,
involving a different country).
Peter Webb
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
Hardly. I completely condemn targeting civilians.
However, the story we are discussing identified that Hamas has launched 220
missile attacks against Israeli civilians, and Israel has taken no reprisals
at all.
Given your stated position, I would expect you to be condemning Hamas and
praising the Israelis. But you aren't. I wonder why?
Peter Webb
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
I missed the part in the article we are discussing about Israel retaliating
to the 220 missile attacks launched from Gaza by using cluster bombs. Could
you find it for me, please?
Seon Ferguson
mossad shill next time I try to say the holocaust happened or something. You
one sided people need to get a life and coming from me thats saying a lot.
Peter Webb
No, I don't think that is the case. The case we are discussing does not
involve the Americans in any way, so it would be kind of hard for somebody
to think you support terrorism because you don't support the US. In fact, it
makes no sense at all.
> Anyone with half a brain knows that if the neocons continue there course
> of actions terrorisim will only increase, not decrease and you say I
> support terrorisim?
I said you support the Muslim terrorists. This appears the case. In the
story we are discussing, Hamas launched 220 missile attacks against Israel
in 4 days, and Israel has taken no action at all.
Yet not one word of condemnation of the Muslim terrorists, but criticism of
Israel.
> Your a anti semite as well if hate Arabs and want to deport them.
This is largely gibberish. But I don't hate Arabs, don't want to deport
them, and I'm not an anti-semite (as far as I know).
> I have found that those who call me racist are usually guilty of being the
> exact same thing.
Well, I am calling you a racist, but I'm not a racist myself. Go figure.
Peter Webb
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
(* cough *) and you don't consider "ZioNazi" as hate speech? Directly
comparing Jews to Nazis?
You must be the dumbest hypocrite on Usenet.
Doug
"A lot" of what?
Doug
Quoting facts to Palestinian propagandists isn't going to get you anywhere.
Peter Webb
>> So, you were discussing a completely different episode that had nothing
>> to do with the events being discussed.
>>
>> Like I said, anti-semites don't seem to care about the facts (you have
>> completely ignored the facts of the matter being discussed), and cannot
>> stay on topic (you want to discuss different events, at a different time,
>> involving a different country).
>>
>>
>>
> And as I said call me whatever the fuck you want. I'll just get called a
> mossad shill next time I try to say the holocaust happened or something.
> You one sided people need to get a life and coming from me thats saying a
> lot.
>
Well, whether you would be called a Mossad shill for saying the holocaust
happened would depend entirely on the context. If we were discussing the
holocaust, and whether it happened, no you wouldn't be called a Mossad shill
for saying it happened.
If, however, we were discussing some completely different thing, and you
chirped in with this fact, then people might wonder exactly how - shall we
say "balanced" - you are.
And that is exactly what you have done, isn't it? We weren't discussing the
events of 2005. You just changed the topic to be something you perceived to
be anti-Israel, even though it in no way related to the story.
Do you understand now how your remarks show your anti-semitism?
Seon Ferguson
purpose looking for posts which allow me to say anti israel posts. Oh yeah
and Jews are pure and innocent like angels. They cant do anything wrong its
always the evil Muzzies fault. Do you understand how your remakrs show your
one sidedness?
Seon Ferguson
therefore I automaticly hate all of its cizizens. I fail to see the logic
but then your to far gone to use logic anyway.
Zev
> "Zev" <zev_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8b685888-58bd-48f6...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>> theyw
>>> ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone
>>> thought
>>> Israel shut down the power.
>>
>> to feed its enemies or to ensure their comforts
>> is a "Zionazi"?
>
> Someone who thinks Israel has the right to murder innocent women and
> children just because militents kidnapped 2 Israel soldiers. Someone who
> thinks God gave the Jews Israel and that the Jews are Gods chosen people
> and someone who thinks Israel has the right to cut power and prevent
> supplies going to innocent women and chidlren is a Zionazi. I think you
> all should be ashamed of yourself's.
Someone who thinks any group, of any kind,
has the right to murder innocent women and children
just because militents kidnapped 2 soldiers
is obviously wicked enough for you
to call call him a Nazi (although he may not be).
Israel is almost certainly the only country on the planet
which continues to provide fuel and other supplies
to people who use them to continue to wage war upon it.
Someone who obligates Israel to supply its enemies
is very likely an anti-Semite
(sorry for using that word, it's the only excuse
I can make for you, until you supply me with an other).
I do believe, as do many others,
that the Children of Israel, the Torah of Israel,
and the Land of Israel, belong one to another.
What's the shame in that?
Zev
That's your problem?
Stick to the truth, make fools out of them,
people will laugh at them.
If you can't do it, THAT is your problem.
Peter Webb
>>> Your a anti semite as well if hate Arabs and want to deport them.
>>
>> This is largely gibberish. But I don't hate Arabs, don't want to deport
>> them, and I'm not an anti-semite (as far as I know).
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have found that those who call me racist are usually guilty of being
>>> the exact same thing.
>>
>> Well, I am calling you a racist, but I'm not a racist myself. Go figure.
>>
>>
> Right I am against a countries forgeing policy and its leader actions so
> therefore I automaticly hate all of its cizizens. I fail to see the logic
> but then your to far gone to use logic anyway.
>
I didn't claim you hated all the citizens of any country. I said you were
anti-semitic.
Zev
news:6bydnRir9sIwIwXa...@comcast.com...
> Justin Case wrote:
>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>> theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone
>>> thought Israel shut down the power.
>> A much better solution is to return a 500 pound bomb for each fired
>> rocket,
>
> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
> for acts carried out by partisans?
How is war different from terror?
Seon Ferguson
"Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
automatically racist against the Jews. Even if your Nobel enough to despise
racism and speak out about it nope it doesn't matter your either with them
or your a racist.
> --
> Wolfie
Seon Ferguson
No my problem is people on both sides of the middle east conflict labeling
me every time I criticise there side. When I criticise the Palestinians its
I'm a zionazi but when i dare speak out against Israel its your a evil
racist.
I will however continue to speak the truth or the truth as I see it anyway.
Seon Ferguson
criticise Bush I'm not racist against Americans?
I despise the government of North Korea and China does that mean I am racist
against the Chinese and Koreans?
If the answer is no then why am I automatically racist against Jews just
because I dare speak out against the mighty Israel and God's "chosen people"
who are pure and innocent like angels and can never ever perform a single
evil act.
parr...@yahoo.com
>
> - Visa citerad text -
Well done trying to get these people to stay focused... seems liek an
uphill struggle though.
Good luck.
Zev
Sean, you've use this argument too many times.
It seems to me no more than an excuse
for your inability to compose well-formed arguments
to support your claims.
Seon Ferguson
> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:479911ce$0$17220$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> "Zev" <zev_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8b685888-58bd-48f6...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>
>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>>> theyw
>>>> ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when everyone
>>>> thought
>>>> Israel shut down the power.
>>>
>>> Someone who believes that Israel is not required
>>> to feed its enemies or to ensure their comforts
>>> is a "Zionazi"?
>>
>> Someone who thinks Israel has the right to murder innocent women and
>> children just because militents kidnapped 2 Israel soldiers. Someone who
>> thinks God gave the Jews Israel and that the Jews are Gods chosen people
>> and someone who thinks Israel has the right to cut power and prevent
>> supplies going to innocent women and chidlren is a Zionazi. I think you
>> all should be ashamed of yourself's.
>
> Someone who thinks any group, of any kind,
> has the right to murder innocent women and children
> just because militents kidnapped 2 soldiers
> is obviously wicked enough for you
>
> Israel is almost certainly the only country on the planet
> which continues to provide fuel and other supplies
> to people who use them to continue to wage war upon it.
>
> Someone who obligates Israel to supply its enemies
> is very likely an anti-Semite
> (sorry for using that word, it's the only excuse
> I can make for you, until you supply me with an other).
>
> I do believe, as do many others,
> that the Children of Israel, the Torah of Israel,
> and the Land of Israel, belong one to another.
> What's the shame in that?
Sorry mate I thought you were actually more balanced then the rest of the
anti Semite police out there. I never said anything about supplying Israelis
enemies all I care about is there are innocent civilians that cant get the
supplies they so desperately need because some thugs are cutting of
supplies. But of course zionazi thugs wont let that happen and as long as
they are people like you who blindly support Israel no matter what it does
it is going to continue to happen.
There's nothing wrong with wanting unity.
Seon Ferguson
First its spelled Seon (but at least you don't call me Shorn or whatever
like little Johnny coward) second look at the way these zionazi's treat me
just because I dare speak out against Israel. They accuse anyone who speaks
out of being a racist in hopes it will silence opposition against Israel and
frighten people who don't want the reputation of being a racist.
There the ones who don't use well formed arguments. All I say is I don't
support this action being taken by Israel and whamo I'm a racist.
Zev
> "Zev" <zev_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d34ea8db-65f4-4970...@v17g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry mate I thought you were actually more balanced then the rest of the
> anti Semite police out there....
<snipped>
Sean, I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I was wrong about you too.
parr...@yahoo.com
> "Peter Webb" <webbfam...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
Where has the previous poster said anything like what you write above?
Can you indicate a specific remark he has made you feel is "one-
sided"?
B'in'yamin C'r'amer
It is verboten to diss yids. They are above and beyond criticism.
>
>
B'in'yamin C'r'amer
That is, and has always been, their number one defence. Label the critic as
being an anti-semite, jew hater, or Holocaust(tm) denier.
Unfortunately, they've over-used the technique to the degree these labels
are now worn as a badge of honour by many they attempt to destroy.
Was once an anti-semite as someone who hated jews. Nowdays an anti-semite is
anyone the yids don't like.
>
Peter Webb
>
> "Peter Webb" <webbf...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4799a7cb$0$18606$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>> Your a anti semite as well if hate Arabs and want to deport them.
>>>>
>>>> This is largely gibberish. But I don't hate Arabs, don't want to deport
>>>> them, and I'm not an anti-semite (as far as I know).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have found that those who call me racist are usually guilty of being
>>>>> the exact same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I am calling you a racist, but I'm not a racist myself. Go
>>>> figure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Right I am against a countries forgeing policy and its leader actions so
>>> therefore I automaticly hate all of its cizizens. I fail to see the
>>> logic but then your to far gone to use logic anyway.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't claim you hated all the citizens of any country. I said you were
>> anti-semitic.
>>
>>
> So why am I racist against the Jews for being against Israel yet when I
> criticise Bush I'm not racist against Americans?
Bush is an individual. Israel is not.
> I despise the government of North Korea and China does that mean I am
> racist against the Chinese and Koreans?
That would depend. Do you have any derogatory term that you use for them,
the equivalent of "ZioNazi"? Something like "Chinkycunt smellers" perhaps?
If you, then yes, you are a racist towards these people. Do you have similar
terms to "ZioNazi" for them, and if so what are they?
> If the answer is no then why am I automatically racist against Jews just
> because I dare speak out against the mighty Israel and God's "chosen
> people" who are pure and innocent like angels and can never ever perform a
> single evil act.
>
Nobody said that. However you seem to fail to recognise they ever do good,
as in this case that we are discussing. That's because (as I mentioned
before) you are an anti-semitic kook.
Peter Webb
> Even if your Nobel enough to despise
> racism and speak out about it nope it doesn't matter your either with them
> or your a racist.
>
I think you should get a noble Prize for stupidity.
Wolfie
>>>
>>> "Doug" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:YY8mj.371$xq2...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact
>>>>>>> remains theyw
>>>>>>> ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when
>>>>>>> everyone thought
>>>>>>> Israel shut down the power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to feed its enemies or to ensure their comforts
>>>>>> is a "Zionazi"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone who thinks Israel has the right to murder innocent women
>>>>> and children just because militents kidnapped 2 Israel soldiers.
>>>>> Someone who thinks God gave the Jews Israel and that the Jews are
>>>>> Gods chosen people and someone who thinks Israel has the right to
>>>>> cut power and prevent supplies going to innocent women and chidlren
>>>>> is a Zionazi. I think you all should be ashamed of yourself's.
>>>>
>>>> particularly
>>>> if they're jewish. Asshat.
>>>>
>>> Um I never said Muslims were pure and innocent like angels but then
>>> neather are Jews. The problem is whenever people criticise the Jews
>>> its like remember the holocaust they were persecuted throughout
>>> history blah blah blah.
>>
>> what they do wihtin their own countries? Jews are hardly above
>> criticism but it needs to be fair criticism, not one sided. Do you
>> criticism Arabs who want nothing other than to remove all Jews from
>> Israel? Do you criticize Arab countries who will not allow any Jew
>> into their countries? Do you consider Arabs who kill themselves in
>> order to kill Jews? Do you criticize indiscriminate rocket aattacks
>> aimed at civilian targets? Do you criticize terrorist Arabs who blend
>> in with innocent Arabs so as to cause innocent brothers to be killed
>> in inevitable defensive attaacks?
>>
>> Look, at least have the integrity to admit your position.
>>>
>>
>>
> Yes I criticise them and when I criticise Arabs for murdering innocent
> people, argue against people who think Mossad agensts caused 911 or
> idiot Holocaust deniers I get accused of being a Zionist, when I
> critcise Israel for murdering innocent women and children and taking
> Arab land I get accused of being a anti Semite so you know what call me
> whatever the fuck you want I don't give a shit anymore.
> I'm a anti Semite Mossad shill are you people happy now? Maybe I should
> make that my new usenet screen name so no matter who you are I have you
> covered.
>
>
Brilliant, just brilliant.
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
>
> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>> Peter Webb wrote:
>>>
>>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact
>>>>>>>> remains theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing
>>>>>>>> in when everyone thought Israel shut down the power.
>>>>>>> fired rocket,
>>>>>> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
>>>>>> for acts carried out by partisans?
>>>>> rocket was fired from.
>>>>>
>>>> Requiring cluster bombs??
>>>>
>>>>> civilians on the receiving end of the rockets have nothing to do
>>>>> with the predicament of the Arabs.
>>>>
>>>> So reprisal for the whole population, innocent or not.
>>>> Vercors, Lidice, Rome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wolfie
>>>
>>> Ummm ... according to the story that we are discussing, Hamas has
>>> launched 220 rockets against innocent Israeli citizens in the last
>>> four days, and Israel has taken no reprisals at all. I could find no
>>> mention of cluster bombs in the article.
>>>
>>> Are you making things up, or just deciding to wander off-topic
>>> because the facts don't suit your prejudices?
>>>
>>>
>> What prejudices. I am anti-violence on all sides. Your position
>> on reprisals on civilian populations is indefensible.
>>
>> --
>> Wolfie
>
> Hardly. I completely condemn targeting civilians.
>
> However, the story we are discussing identified that Hamas has launched
> 220 missile attacks against Israeli civilians, and Israel has taken no
> reprisals at all.
>
> Given your stated position, I would expect you to be condemning Hamas
> and praising the Israelis. But you aren't. I wonder why?
>
>
I have stated that I do, and despite all your demurrals you are
hoping that I will go away, leaving your lie as the last in the
record. Not so?
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
>
> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>> Justin Case wrote:
>>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>>> news:j5mdnch5SYLErATa...@comcast.com...
>>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6bydnRir9sIwIwXa...@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact
>>>>>>>> remains theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing
>>>>>>>> in when everyone thought Israel shut down the power.
>>>>>>> A much better solution is to return a 500 pound bomb for each
>>>>>>> fired rocket,
>>>>>> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
>>>>>> for acts carried out by partisans?
>>>>> There is simple technology for determining precisely where the
>>>>> rocket was fired from.
>>>>>
>>>> Requiring cluster bombs??
>>>
>>> are homocide murderers exploding themselves amongst innocent people.
>>
>> So why were cluster bombs necessary if they knew with such
>> precision?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Wolfie
>
> I missed the part in the article we are discussing about Israel
> retaliating to the 220 missile attacks launched from Gaza by using
> cluster bombs. Could you find it for me, please?
>
>
are attempting to use these attacks as an excuse to create
an unlivable no-mans land 50 miles wide around them so
they can pack more settlers in and start the whole process
again? Please. We're not all stupid you know.
--
Wolfie
Zev
Seon, I'm sorry about the spelling error.
Here you go, complaining again about being called a racist.
It seems some people believe they can make
the most outrageous statements and when called to order,
they say "anybody who criticises Israel is called a racist"
Did you know that life in Sderot has become unbearable?
Did you know that many Israelis demand that the army
do *whatever* it takes to stop the Kassams?
Do you understand what that means?
Is that what you want, is it preferable to economic pressure?
Do you know that even during the last few weeks,
Israel has been delivering electricity to Gaza,
that most of the blackouts are pure propaganda?
Can you understand that
to people who are not ignorant about events in the ME
you look like a racist, regardless of what
your opinion about yourself is?
Wolfie
> comparing Jews to Nazis?
Show me where I used the word "ZioNazi". You can't because it
didn't happen, liar. What I did say was that when you carry
out reprisals on the civilian population for an act of
terror, then you are following the precedents set in the
Vercors, Lidice and Rome. Deal with that and tell me there
is no connection in technique you homicidal rat.
--
Wolfie
Zev
Is there a prize for funny spelling errors?
Wolfie
So Israel is at war with all those on her borders?
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
Indeed. All they're interested in his hoping you'll abandon the usenet
thread leaving their last lie in as the final statement of record.
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
population around her borders?
--
Wolfie
Wolfie
Naah, you were right. Seon's a decent guy and you're
a fanatic who will lie to defend his sacred cause
at any and all costs, no matter how nice you sound
at first...
--
Wolfie
parr...@yahoo.com
I certainly deny that the Israelis used cluster bombs (or indeed any
form of retaliation) on the population around her borders in response
to the recent rocket attacks, yes.
Remember what I said about staying focussed? Give it a go...
>
> --
> Wolfie- Dölj citerad text -
Zev
Certainly not.
Some countries realise that peace is as important
to them as it is to Israel, and have ended
their internecine wars with it.
Some day, the others will follow their example,
and the ME will be a paradise for all who live there,
and a blessing to the entire world.
Wolfie
Try again. Do you deny that Israel used cluster bombs on civilians
around her borders within the last 24 months?
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Wolfie
> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
> news:h_Kdndeq8uBCfQTa...@comcast.com...
>> Zev wrote:
>>> "Wolfie" <Wolfie@FrenchGirl'sBoy.org> wrote in message
>>> news:6bydnRir9sIwIwXa...@comcast.com...
>>>> Justin Case wrote:
>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:479841d1$0$9116$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>> Ok I admit this time I was wrong about Israel. But the fact remains
>>>>>> theyw ere still some Zionazi's who supported them doing in when
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> thought Israel shut down the power.
>>>>> A much better solution is to return a 500 pound bomb for each fired
>>>>> rocket,
>>>> How is that different from the Nazis massacring hostages in reprisals
>>>> for acts carried out by partisans?
>>> How is war different from terror?
>> So Israel is at war with all those on her borders?
>
> Certainly not.
So then the question about war and terror is irrelevant.
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Okay, I will - Try and stay focussed, laddy. Try.