To all the Howard bashers.....
FromVentersd
amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for everything
from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to the
greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard. The Keating government was
so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up arms
against them had there been a movement to do so.
Thomas Paine
FromVentersd wrote in message <3834...@news.syd.fl.net.au>...
>Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating? It
>amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for everything
>from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
>Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to
the
>greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard.
We were happy to sit back and let all these issues take course, because
1. the "abos" deserved to get their own land back.
2. many of us believe in the potential of a green future.
3. we don't know which union your talking about.
4. Keating wasn't pretending to live in the 50's, new how to say sorry, and
was looking to the future in general.
>The Keating government was
>so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up arms
>against them had there been a movement to do so.
Only a complete and utter Redneck prat would consider that an option.
But having said that, It was time to change Government's. Labor had been in
to long, and need replacing, but with Howard?
doug
>
> Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating? It
> amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for everything
> from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
> Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to the
> so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up arms
> against them had there been a movement to do so.
It was more than a whisper that voted Keating out. More like a big
shout. But that big shout dropped to a whisper at John Howard's second
election, he must have done a few things wrong in his first term. As the
left wing swine never voted for Howard I think he might have lost a few
right wing swine votes.
Keating was voted out over four years ago. Howard is now Prime Minister.
That is why he is getting blamed for some things. He has even changed
his mind on some things that it appeared he would be blamed for so he
himself thinks that he is doing somethings wrong.
I do not think that he will be voted out becuase of bad weather or
Bolivian ice cream but if he does not win back a few votes before the
next election I think the whisper will become softer.
Doug.
Russell Waterson
against Howard last time because he has proven himself to be a lying
spineless idiot.
When are we going to get good leader. I have not opportunity to do so. How
about someone here who has.
doug wrote in message <383534...@ozemail.com.au>...
Billy Cthulu
> Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating?
Personally, I was hating the fact that the ALP government was as right-
wing as it was.
> When that swine
> Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to the
> greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard.
A lot of us wished that he'd "sold out" a little bit more.
> The Keating government was
> so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking
> up arms against them had there been a movement to do so.
Spot one of the people who has been most affected by the reduction in
funding to mental health care centres. Poor bastard.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
You can never do just one thing.
-- Hardin
townes de wombat
>Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating? It
>amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for everything
>from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
>Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to the
>greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard. The Keating government was
>so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up arms
>against them had there been a movement to do so.
>
>
We were all out playing piggy in the middle.
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"FromVentersd" <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating? It
>amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for everything
>from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
>Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to the
>greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard. The Keating government was
>so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up arms
>against them had there been a movement to do so.
>
>
Back from EAst Timor so soon?
You are truly a gutless little fart.
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But if you must have it white,
boycott Pura Milk and National Foods.
Let them know that they may be
able to buy the ACB, but they can't buy you.
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Death
Russell Waterson <wate...@starwon.com.au> wrote in message
news:38354...@news.highway1.com.au...
> I voted against Keating because I believed Him to be a poor PM. I vote
> against Howard last time because he has proven himself to be a lying
> spineless idiot.
> When are we going to get good leader.
When the power brokers in both major parties are brought
into the public eye. Only when we see transparent party
politics where one member does mean one vote, only
then will we start to see progress. At the moment we have
two right wing parties that are unaccountable except when
they really botchup something rotten. Their doing that
a lot more often nowadays. If we can't remove them
at the ballot box because there are no real alternatives
and we can't shame them into being democratically minded
then maybe we should join up and leak, restructure and
vote out the bastards from our political parties. The only
reason that Beazley will lose the next election, and why
he lost the last, is the underlying agenda of the elite in the
party that precludes him from 'popular' issues, from
reacting to the turn of events (cause he needs to clear it)
or just the clear 'dead zones' that his paymasters don't want
changed. Look if a stupid bitch (allegedly) from Queensland
can win 1 million vote by openly asking people
to explain themselves then the Prime Ministership is open
to someone with Beazley's intelligence and looking at
the inept incumbant who doesn't know whether his coming
or going to the event of the century, or which parts he's
going to tax or not, or even who the fucking HoS really
is even if he did give an oath of alliegance to the her
foreignness. I mean stupid is, stupid does.
>I have not opportunity to do so. How
> about someone here who has.
> doug wrote in message <383534...@ozemail.com.au>...
> >FromVentersd wrote:
> >>
> >> Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating?
> It
> >> amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for
> everything
> >> from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
> >> Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in
to
> the
> >> greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard. The Keating
government
> was
> >> so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up
> arms
> >> against them had there been a movement to do so.
> >
Aldis Ozols
Death wrote:
>
> I mean stupid is, stupid does.
Looking at the actual results, Howard has a tendency to win on issues where his opponents lose. Underestimating your enemies is always a bad move. You won't defeat him until you can develop a clear perception.
--
How to Lobby Politicians
http://www.zeta.org.au/~aldis/lobby.html
"Reality is whatever doesn't go away when you stop believing in it."
-- Philip K Dick
FromVentersd
Thomas Paine <das...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:8F2Z3.22859$we.3...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
It
> >amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for
everything
> >from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
> >Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to
> the
> >greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard.
>
>
>
> 1. the "abos" deserved to get their own land back.
Says who? And what about the farmers who actually works for a living?
> 2. many of us believe in the potential of a green future.
To the point where common sense goes out the window.
"Help your country, bury a greenie a day"
> 3. we don't know which union your talking about.
All of them, ACTU.
> 4. Keating wasn't pretending to live in the 50's,
No, but he was out-of-touch with the electorate. Thats why he got kicked
out.
new how to say sorry, and
So what? Who cares?
> was looking to the future in general.
By ignoring the wishes of the people, such politicians should be booted out
pronto. These are the type of politicians that give pollies a bad name.
>
>
> >The Keating government was
> >so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up
arms
> >against them had there been a movement to do so.
>
>
> Only a complete and utter Redneck prat would consider that an option.
It comes to a point when one can not tolerate any more. Keating exceeded
that point and deserved to be kicked out. The sad thing is that it took so
long and we are still feeling the effects of his insane policies to this
day.
>
> But having said that, It was time to change Government's. Labor had been
in
> to long, and need replacing, but with Howard?
Howard is indeed what we needed to turn the country around. There is nothing
wrong with turning the clock back when one realises that old policies worked
better.
FromVentersd
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
news:nom318...@ptcc.it.net.au...
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> > Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating?
>
> wing as it was.
If that is your opinion, North Korea is the country for you. On your
bike.......
>
> > When that swine
> > Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos, caved in to
the
> > greenies and the unions, not a whisper was heard.
>
> A lot of us wished that he'd "sold out" a little bit more.
I suppose it is easy for you, who owns nothing, to say that farmers who have
worked hard all their lives should lose their livelyhood. Do you think that
their land should be given to a bunch of people who does nothing to further
their cause other than collect welfare and piss it up against the wall. My
money. Taxpayers money.
Death
Aldis Ozols <al...@zeta.org.au> wrote in message
news:38372670...@zeta.org.au...
>
>
> Death wrote:
> >
> > I mean stupid is, stupid does.
>
> Looking at the actual results, Howard has a tendency to win on issues
where his opponents >lose. Underestimating your enemies is always a bad
move. You won't defeat him until you can >develop a clear perception.
I have noticed that many of Howard supporters claim victory
when Howard has done little in the way to earn it, or how
some Howard supporters can assume he's doing alright when
he has to backflip on the opening of the olympics despite
his 'supposed' victory in the referendem. Shocking as it
may sound I believe the electorate can give credit where
it's due, without being told or dictate to, and can see who's
to be congratulated (the people of Australia, the people of
E.Timor and the people of Indonesia, two referendums and one
election, all to the longterm betterment of themselves). As Howard
has yet to face any test of his leadership, whether from within
his party or at the ballot box, since the lastest crop of blunders,
he would be well advised not to come a struting peacock and
believing his has got 'it' right. Like he tried and failed to do
in his 'deputy' dog impersonation. We don't live on spin,
we live with it. You can talk anybody up despite the shear lack
of crediable successes. Howards 'tendencies' have the
ability to leave the undeniable impression of the 50's which
does strike me as a vote loser not a vote winner.
PADDY
Aldis Ozols <al...@zeta.org.au> wrote in message > Looking at the actual
results, Howard has a tendency to win on issues where his opponents lose.
Underestimating your enemies is always a bad move. You won't defeat him
until you can develop a clear perception.
John Howard is one of the smartest politicians in the world.
He can never ever be underestimated, cause he will pounce when you least
expect it.
Paddy
doug
> < all snipped >
OK, you have replied to 2 of the 3 original replies to your post, what
about the 3rd reply?.
Doug.
Aldis Ozols
Death wrote:
>
> Howards 'tendencies' have the
> ability to leave the undeniable
> impression of the 50's which
> does strike me as a vote loser
> not a vote winner.
Let's just leave this argument until after the next election -- then we'll see who is right.
Scott Hillard
FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote in message
news:3834...@news.syd.fl.net.au...
a
> Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating?
What was wrong with Keating?
The man had the stones to run the nation - something that short-arse wanker
totally lacks. Now Paul may have been a filthy Catholic lefty, but he had
personality and SPIRIT.
Imagine how much better off we would have been if Paul was in charge after
Port Arthur.
"Well scumbags, that's what you get for living the arse end of Australia."
None of this sissy gun-grabbing business.
> It amazes me to see how some leftwing swine decides to blame JH for
everything
> from bad weather to icecream contamination in Bolivia. When that swine
> Keating did such things as sold out our farmers to the abos,
Ah, leave the boongs alone. Can you really point to a REAL case of a farmer
being fucked over by the local coon establishment? On land OWNED by that
particular farmer?
> The Keating government was
> so arrogant and out-of-touch that I would actually consider taking up arms
> against them had there been a movement to do so.
Can't do that against Johnny - he banned that sort of thing.
Scott Hillard
> We were happy to sit back and let all these issues take course, because
> 1. the "abos" deserved to get their own land back.
Eh? I thought they didn't believe in land "ownership". Put them out in the
fields to work, I say.
Scott Hillard
> Personally, I was hating the fact that the ALP government was as right-
> wing as it was
Well comrade, you'd best fuck off quick smart to the nearst socialist
worker's paradise so you can slog it out on the collective farm with all of
your other comrades.
Just don't let the politcal officer hear any whinging out of you.
Billy Cthulu
> Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
> news:nom318...@ptcc.it.net.au...
>> Personally, I was hating the fact that the ALP government was as right-
>> wing as it was
> Well comrade, you'd best fuck off quick smart to the nearst socialist
> worker's paradise so you can slog it out on the collective farm with all of
> your other comrades.
Ah, the people to the Left of Paul Keating who would join me.. Malcolm
Fraser, Robert Gordon Menzies, Don Chipp, and all the other notables of
the Liberal Party prior to the late 1970s. What a socialist time we'd all
have.
> Just don't let the politcal officer hear any whinging out of you.
Personally, I think it's amazing that there's anyone alive who considers
anything to the Left of economic rationalism to be "commie lefty pinko
scumbag" material. Here was I thinking the cold war was over years ago.
Have you heard that you don't have to be polarised anymore?
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Normal times may possibly be over forever.
Billy Cthulu
> Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
> news:nom318...@ptcc.it.net.au...
>> > Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul Keating?
>>
> If that is your opinion, North Korea is the country for you.
Why? It's not even slightly Left wing.
> I suppose it is easy for you, who owns nothing,
Trying to guess my wealth status for later ad hominem, eh?
> to say that farmers who have
> worked hard all their lives should lose their livelyhood.
Farmers are the worst bludgers of the welfare nipple Australia has ever
seen. Fuck, anyone else would save during the good years. But no, farmers
will cry out for "drought relief" so they can have an extra $25K every
5-7 years all at one go. All the while, whining about how the wharfies,
the abbos and single mothers get $6Kpa free. Fucking useless hypocrits.
> Do you think that
> their land should be given to a bunch of people who does nothing to further
> their cause other than collect welfare and piss it up against the wall.
Blatant racism here. Fuck you're a lousy example of a human being.
> My money. Taxpayers money.
I pay my tax. And I have a share in saying where it goes (commonly called
a vote). My share in saying where it goes says ``Not to those racist
redneck hypocritical welfare moochers...''
Billy Cthulu
> 5-7 years all at one go. All the while, whining about how the wharfies,
Oops. $sentence =~ s/wharfies\,//;
I had been intending to go on a tirade about just how annoyed I was that
the whinging farmers, always complaining about how hard done by they are
by government, sided with the Reith in order to have a bunch of working
class blokes sacked (using bottom-of-the-harbour tactics).
Of course, that sentence went off in a different tangent. D'oh. Proof read?
Me? ;-)
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot
of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-- Douglas Adams
Billy Cthulu
It's nothing more than your personal life style choice. Don't pretend you're
doing us a favour, because you're not. If you'd been smart, you'd have sold
off your barely profitable farm and used the money to invest in training
for a real job in a sector that isn't being propped up by a government
keen on pork-barrelling.
>> 2. many of us believe in the potential of a green future.
> To the point where common sense goes out the window.
> "Help your country, bury a greenie a day"
Frankly, if your farm were taken over by your stereotypical "lazy drunk
abos", they'd be doing the economy a lot more good in the long run than
you. First up, no petrol hand-outs and "drought-relief" handouts, and,
secondly, they wouldn't be clearing land and exposing more territory to
salinity.
>> 3. we don't know which union your talking about.
> All of them, ACTU.
And not those arsehole unions of employers? Why haven't you been whinging
about them? Not partisan, are you?
>> 4. Keating wasn't pretending to live in the 50's,
> No, but he was out-of-touch with the electorate. Thats why he got kicked
> out.
Indeed. But weren't they disappointed with Johnny H? JH barely made it
back in last term. He'll be gone after GST hits. They've botched it by
not giving software companies enough time to write GST aware programs
by July 2K. The legislation won't be through parliament until April 2K
at the earliest (assuming parts aren't delayed by Senate haggling...)
> new how to say sorry, and
> So what? Who cares?
Obviously you don't. But then, nobody but your mother will turn up to
your funeral. You're simply not a likeable person. Too self-centred.
>> was looking to the future in general.
> By ignoring the wishes of the people, such politicians should be booted out
> pronto. These are the type of politicians that give pollies a bad name.
Ignoring the wishes of the people is acceptable. A lot of people would
wish for free beer and no hospitals, given half the chance. Ignoring
public infrastructure and not giving the poor a decent chance to improve
their circumstances through hard work... now *there's* the crime.
> It comes to a point when one can not tolerate any more. Keating exceeded
> that point and deserved to be kicked out. The sad thing is that it took so
> long and we are still feeling the effects of his insane policies to this
> day.
I'd rather have Fraser any day. Now there was someone who believed in
Keynesian economics. Were it not for the oil crisis, some of those
projects might have worked out. Similar ones worked for WA governments
during the 1980s and '90s (oil and gas exploration off the NW coast,
etc).
> Howard is indeed what we needed to turn the country around. There is nothing
> wrong with turning the clock back when one realises that old policies worked
> better.
John Howard's a one-hit wonder. He's done his GST and has no other vision
for the country.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should
be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved.
-- R.A. Heinlein
Lev Lafayette
>FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>> Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:nom318...@ptcc.it.net.au...
>>> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
(rm)
>> My money. Taxpayers money.
Actually you may find that a banknote has "Australia" written all over it.
If you don't like the fact that the rate of taxation is determined by
elected governments or where it is spent is determined by elected
governments perhaps you shouldn't participate in the system at all.
Print your own money. Or work with a barter system. But never claim "my
money" when every single aspect of its value is a result of a social
system.
>I pay my tax. And I have a share in saying where it goes (commonly called
>a vote). My share in saying where it goes says ``Not to those racist
>redneck hypocritical welfare moochers...''
Damn straight.
>--
>Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
>Normal times may possibly be over forever.
--
Lev Lafayette. l...@ariel.unimelb.edu.au http://ariel.unimelb.edu.au/~lev
* Electorate Officer for Essendon District, Parliament of Victoria
* Thesis in progress: 'A Social Theory of the Internet'. Ashworth Centre
for Social Theory, University of Melbourne.
Scott Hillard
> > Well comrade, you'd best fuck off quick smart to the nearst socialist
> > worker's paradise so you can slog it out on the collective farm with all
of
> > your other comrades.
> Ah, the people to the Left of Paul Keating who would join me.. Malcolm
> Fraser, Robert Gordon Menzies, Don Chipp, and all the other notables of
> the Liberal Party prior to the late 1970s. What a socialist time we'd all
> have.
Bunch of filthy hippy communists.
> > Just don't let the politcal officer hear any whinging out of you.
> Personally, I think it's amazing that there's anyone alive who considers
> anything to the Left of economic rationalism to be "commie lefty pinko
> scumbag" material.
Comes as no surprise to me. I suppose they all wear red socks in the
sheltered workshop?
How come you lot get so much out of bowling, anyway?
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >> 1. the "abos" deserved to get their own land back.
> > Says who? And what about the farmers who actually works for a living?
>
> It's nothing more than your personal life style choice. Don't pretend
you're
> doing us a favour, because you're not. If you'd been smart, you'd have
sold
> off your barely profitable farm and used the money to invest in training
> for a real job in a sector that isn't being propped up by a government
> keen on pork-barrelling.
I don't have a farm but I speak for the ones who do, since there seem to be
plenty of do-gooders willing to speak for the abos.
And BTW, there is no more "real job" than being a farmer, working 7 days
aweek, 16 hour days. For what? Just to see ones land given away to some
bludging drunken abo tribe who has done SFA to deserve it.
>
> >> 2. many of us believe in the potential of a green future.
>
> > To the point where common sense goes out the window.
> > "Help your country, bury a greenie a day"
>
> Frankly, if your farm were taken over by your stereotypical "lazy drunk
> abos", they'd be doing the economy a lot more good in the long run than
> you. First up, no petrol hand-outs and "drought-relief" handouts, and,
> secondly, they wouldn't be clearing land and exposing more territory to
> salinity.
CRAP!!!
Our farmers are our most productive people in this country. What does the
average abo produce other than brawls and empty beerbottles?
>
> >> 3. we don't know which union your talking about.
> > All of them, ACTU.
>
> And not those arsehole unions of employers? Why haven't you been whinging
> about them? Not partisan, are you?
They actually employ people you know. Creating jobs and wealth. Ever heard
of that?
>
> >> 4. Keating wasn't pretending to live in the 50's,
> > No, but he was out-of-touch with the electorate. Thats why he got kicked
> > out.
>
> Indeed. But weren't they disappointed with Johnny H? JH barely made it
> back in last term. He'll be gone after GST hits. They've botched it by
> not giving software companies enough time to write GST aware programs
> by July 2K. The legislation won't be through parliament until April 2K
> at the earliest (assuming parts aren't delayed by Senate haggling...)
>
> > new how to say sorry, and
> > So what? Who cares?
>
> Obviously you don't. But then, nobody but your mother will turn up to
> your funeral. You're simply not a likeable person. Too self-centred.
I dont care if you turn up to my funeral or not, then again, I represent the
silent majority, whether you choose to believe it or not.
>
> > Howard is indeed what we needed to turn the country around. There is
nothing
> > wrong with turning the clock back when one realises that old policies
worked
> > better.
>
> John Howard's a one-hit wonder. He's done his GST and has no other vision
> for the country.
That remains to be seen. I believe otherwise.
FromVentersd
> >> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >> > Where were you when the public enemy no.1 were in office, Paul
Keating?
> >>
> >> Personally, I was hating the fact that the ALP government was as right-
> >> wing as it was.
>
> > If that is your opinion, North Korea is the country for you.
>
> Why? It's not even slightly Left wing.
No? Which planet do you live on? We live on planet earth. Keep up.
>
> > I suppose it is easy for you, who owns nothing,
>
> Trying to guess my wealth status for later ad hominem, eh?
Well, you seem to be quick to want to give other peoples property away to
bludging abos.
>
> > to say that farmers who have
> > worked hard all their lives should lose their livelyhood.
>
> Farmers are the worst bludgers of the welfare nipple Australia has ever
> seen.
Bullshit!!! You have absolutely no idea about farming life. Our farmers are
the hardest working people in this country.
Fuck, anyone else would save during the good years.
Yeah right. Ever heard of bank interest rates, falling commodity prices,
lowering of tariffs?
Get a clue.
But no, farmers
> will cry out for "drought relief" so they can have an extra $25K every
> 5-7 years all at one go. All the while, whining about how the wharfies,
> the abbos and single mothers get $6Kpa free. Fucking useless hypocrits.
Why should abos and single mothers get a cent for doing fuck all? And for
the fucking bludging wharfies, who refuse to do an honest days work.
> > Do you think that
> > their land should be given to a bunch of people who does nothing to
further
> > their cause other than collect welfare and piss it up against the wall.
>
> Blatant racism here. Fuck you're a lousy example of a human being.
Yeah of course you call it racism when I say it how it is. Fuck me dead, if
they are abo pissheads, why not just say so and cut their fucking welfare?
They dont deserve a fucking cent of my money. It seems I will have to cheat
on my tax a little to compensate.
> > My money. Taxpayers money.
>
> I pay my tax. And I have a share in saying where it goes (commonly called
> a vote). My share in saying where it goes says ``Not to those racist
> redneck hypocritical welfare moochers...''
You fucking politically correct little poor excuse for a citizen.
FromVentersd
Lev Lafayette <l...@news.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
news:81chf7$jun$1...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au...
> >> Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
> >> news:nom318...@ptcc.it.net.au...
> >>> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> >> My money. Taxpayers money.
>
> Actually you may find that a banknote has "Australia" written all over it.
>
> If you don't like the fact that the rate of taxation is determined by
> elected governments or where it is spent is determined by elected
> governments perhaps you shouldn't participate in the system at all.
And why not? Who are you to say that? I pay tax and I vote. What about you?
have you ever worked a day in your life?
>
> Print your own money. Or work with a barter system. But never claim "my
> money" when every single aspect of its value is a result of a social
> system.
CRAP!!!
This is indeed the taxpayers money and the government is purely elected to
use and distribute the money to the best of their ability.
Billy Cthulu
> I don't have a farm but I speak for the ones who do, since there seem to be
> plenty of do-gooders willing to speak for the abos.
> And BTW, there is no more "real job" than being a farmer, working 7 days
> aweek, 16 hour days.
It's nothing more than their personal life style choice. Don't pretend
they're doing us a favour, because they are not. If they'd been smart,
they'd have sold off their barely profitable farms and used the money
to invest in training for a real job in a sector that isn't being
propped up by a government keen on pork-barrelling.
> For what?
So they don't have to deal with other human beings very often? so they
can beat their wives in a location where they can't be heard? so they
can impose wierd restrictions on their kids without the government
getting wind of it? so they can shoot animals without the neighbours
complaining? so they can run heavy machinery around a paddock and make
themselves feel manly? shit, you tell me.
> Just to see ones land given away to some
> bludging drunken abo tribe who has done SFA to deserve it.
How can someone bludge when there's no employment for them? If they had
the land, bingo, employment.
>> >> 2. many of us believe in the potential of a green future.
>>
>> > To the point where common sense goes out the window.
>> > "Help your country, bury a greenie a day"
>>
>> Frankly, if your farm were taken over by your stereotypical "lazy drunk
>> abos", they'd be doing the economy a lot more good in the long run than
>> you. First up, no petrol hand-outs and "drought-relief" handouts, and,
>> secondly, they wouldn't be clearing land and exposing more territory to
>> salinity.
> CRAP!!!
Address the issues then.
> Our farmers are our most productive people in this country. What does the
> average abo produce other than brawls and empty beerbottles?
If they're so productive, why do they keep coming back for hand-outs and
crying poor every time there's no rain? Shit, everyone else has heard of
a ``savings account'' but not the poor needy farming community. Fucking
bludgers.
>> And not those arsehole unions of employers? Why haven't you been whinging
>> about them? Not partisan, are you?
> They actually employ people you know. Creating jobs and wealth. Ever heard
> of that?
Creating wealth?? Fuck, you're dreaming. Some of the kids sent off to
stations die from neglect of basic food and water, for god's sake. Yeah,
like the kids are paid well. Basic wage for crap work in an unviable
industry.
>> Obviously you don't. But then, nobody but your mother will turn up to
>> your funeral. You're simply not a likeable person. Too self-centred.
> I dont care if you turn up to my funeral or not, then again, I represent the
> silent majority, whether you choose to believe it or not.
Yes, I have no doubt of that. You represent John Howard's Greedy Arsewipes.
The Right Wing Economic Rationalists + the National Party Special Pleaders.
``We're from the farms and can't manage a bank account or a business to
take account of bad years. Give us money!'' You're the fucking annoying
rump of a corrupt coalition that gives the Right the power to sell us all
to the multi-nationals. Be fucking proud and pat yourself on the back.
>> John Howard's a one-hit wonder. He's done his GST and has no other vision
>> for the country.
> That remains to be seen. I believe otherwise.
Name another passion John Howard has other than tax. And policies
championed by others (Reith and the waterfront, etc) don't count.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Many hands make light work.
-- John Heywood
Billy Cthulu
>> > If that is your opinion, North Korea is the country for you.
>> Why? It's not even slightly Left wing.
> No? Which planet do you live on? We live on planet earth. Keep up.
Prove that Korea's Left Wing.
>> > I suppose it is easy for you, who owns nothing,
>> Trying to guess my wealth status for later ad hominem, eh?
> Well, you seem to be quick to want to give other peoples property away to
> bludging abos.
They're not my assets, are they. They belong to a group of right wing
bludging special pleaders with the hypocrisy to condemn recipients of
welfare when they themselves receive welfare (Heard of the fuel subsidy,
FromVentersd? heard of Drought Relief Payments, FromVentersd? Heard of
the Wool Corporation and it's Wool Stockpiles, FromVentersd?). You're
all a load of fucking whinging shits.
>> Farmers are the worst bludgers of the welfare nipple Australia has ever
>> seen.
> Bullshit!!! You have absolutely no idea about farming life. Our farmers are
> the hardest working people in this country.
They're a mob of basket weavers. Making baskets nobody wants. They can't
even manage a simple bank account (other people use a savings account to
save money during the good years instead of whinging at government
for top-ups).
> Fuck, anyone else would save during the good years.
> Yeah right. Ever heard of bank interest rates, falling commodity prices,
> lowering of tariffs?
Get out if it's too hard you loser. Sell the farm, you'll get ~$50K at
least. Take that ~$50K and invest it in training for an IT job (eg, a
Cisco Certification course). Guaranteed jobs in IT at the moment. Fucking
hell, the possibilities are endless if you can afford the training the
teenagers can't.
> Why should abos and single mothers get a cent for doing fuck all? And for
> the fucking bludging wharfies, who refuse to do an honest days work.
Why should you? What makes you the Special pleader? Because you're white?!
Why the hell aren't people like you dropped on their heads at birth...
>> Blatant racism here. Fuck you're a lousy example of a human being.
> Yeah of course you call it racism when I say it how it is. Fuck me dead, if
> they are abo pissheads, why not just say so and cut their fucking welfare?
> They dont deserve a fucking cent of my money. It seems I will have to cheat
> on my tax a little to compensate.
I don't think I'll respond to this. You seem to be digging your own grave
well enough.
>> I pay my tax. And I have a share in saying where it goes (commonly called
>> a vote). My share in saying where it goes says ``Not to those racist
>> redneck hypocritical welfare moochers...''
> You fucking politically correct little poor excuse for a citizen.
It takes regard for other people to be a good citizen. You don't have the
credentials. So sorry.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Absence makes the heart go wander.
Billy Cthulu
> Well, you seem to be quick to want to give other peoples property away to
> bludging abos.
Don't you care about the rights of the land-lord? Haven't you ever wanted
to fuck over tenants in a lease agreement? You watch "A Currant Affair"
religiously, I know you want to... What makes the government so
special that it can't terminate a lease agreement when it's found that
the ownership papers were mixed up and they didn't have the right to
sign the papers?
Or was this just another Special Pleader whinge?
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
I know not how I came into this, shall I call it a dying life or a
living death? -- St. Augustine
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> > Well, you seem to be quick to want to give other peoples property away
to
> > bludging abos.
>
> Don't you care about the rights of the land-lord?
You bet I do!!
And I am my own landlord, I own my place. And no bloody abo is going to come
and try to put a claim to it.
Let them try...........
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> > I don't have a farm but I speak for the ones who do, since there seem to
be
> > plenty of do-gooders willing to speak for the abos.
> > And BTW, there is no more "real job" than being a farmer, working 7 days
> > aweek, 16 hour days.
>
> It's nothing more than their personal life style choice. Don't pretend
> they're doing us a favour, because they are not. If they'd been smart,
> they'd have sold off their barely profitable farms and used the money
> to invest in training for a real job in a sector that isn't being
> propped up by a government keen on pork-barrelling.
I don't have a farm but I speak for the ones who do, since there seem to be
plenty of do-gooders willing to speak for the abos.
And BTW, there is no more "real job" than being a farmer, working 7 days
aweek, 16 hour days.
>
> > For what?
>
> So they don't have to deal with other human beings very often? so they
> can beat their wives in a location where they can't be heard?
It is a wellknown fact that the most abused women in Australia are abo women
in abo communities.
Your hereos!!!
so they
> can impose wierd restrictions on their kids without the government
> getting wind of it?
And where the hell did you get this info?
so they can shoot animals without the neighbours
> complaining? so they can run heavy machinery around a paddock and make
> themselves feel manly? shit, you tell me.
Tell you what? That you are a moron? No probs......
Seriously, you would be in a very small minority with this view of our
hardest working people, who are probably the most productive in this
country.
You have probably never been to say, Sweden, where I used to live and where
most of the farms have gone. Grocery prices are through the roof.
But I guess you can not think that far ahead. You would rather be
politically correct and piss in the abos pockets.
>
> > Just to see ones land given away to some
> > bludging drunken abo tribe who has done SFA to deserve it.
>
> How can someone bludge when there's no employment for them? If they had
> the land, bingo, employment.
Yeah right.
As if these coons are actully willing to go out and do a honest days work?
When it is so much easier to bludge of the taxpayer and piss it up in the
local park instead.
> >> >> 2. many of us believe in the potential of a green future.
> >>
> >> > To the point where common sense goes out the window.
> >> > "Help your country, bury a greenie a day"
> >>
> >> Frankly, if your farm were taken over by your stereotypical "lazy drunk
> >> abos", they'd be doing the economy a lot more good in the long run than
> >> you. First up, no petrol hand-outs and "drought-relief" handouts, and,
> >> secondly, they wouldn't be clearing land and exposing more territory to
> >> salinity.
>
> > CRAP!!!
>
> Address the issues then.
You complain about drought relief to hardworking people and I might add most
Australians dont mind helping. But then you want us to give money to a
bludging dying race, with no prospects and it is entirely their own fault.
>
> > Our farmers are our most productive people in this country. What does
the
> > average abo produce other than brawls and empty beerbottles?
>
> If they're so productive, why do they keep coming back for hand-outs and
> crying poor every time there's no rain? Shit, everyone else has heard of
> a ``savings account'' but not the poor needy farming community. Fucking
> bludgers.
You are the fucking dildoe here. They are productive but how can they
possibly beat a drought? You tell me. You are the one with all the answers.
And BTW, have you ever heard of high interest rates, falling commodity
prices and lowering of tariffs?
You must be one of the most out-of-touch people I have ever heard of. And
why dont you try and go out on the street and shout out your policies? See
how long you last before the people of Australia deals with you the way you
deserve, string you up in the townsquare.
FromVentersd
> >> > If that is your opinion, North Korea is the country for you.
> >> Why? It's not even slightly Left wing.
> > No? Which planet do you live on? We live on planet earth. Keep up.
>
> Prove that Korea's Left Wing.
Well, they have said so in the past, long before you were born you little
ill-informed cretin. What better proof can one have, the guilty party
admitting it publicly.
Billy Cthulu
> Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message:
>> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>> > to bludging abos.
>>
>> Don't you care about the rights of the land-lord?
>
> You bet I do!!
Good.
> And I am my own landlord, I own my place. And no bloody abo is going to come
> and try to put a claim to it.
You did realise that Mabo and Wick apply only to LEASEHOLDS, didn't
you? If you purchased your land, rather than purchased an X Year Leasehold,
then nobody has claim to your land and it is not up for grabs. Native
title was extinguished.
> Let them try...........
You, Sir, are an idiot.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
For your penance, say five Hail Marys and one loud BLAH!
Billy Cthulu
> I don't have a farm but I speak for the ones who do, since there seem to be
> plenty of do-gooders willing to speak for the abos.
Whoopty-do-da-day.
> And BTW, there is no more "real job" than being a farmer, working 7 days
> aweek, 16 hour days.
According to this illogic, a "real job" more intensive would be basket-
weaving for 7 days a week, 17 hours a day.
> Seriously, you would be in a very small minority with this view of our
> hardest working people, who are probably the most productive in this
> country.
I'm simply sick to fucking death of hearing special pleading whinging
from the farming community. And the whinging about other people getting
welfare by farmers makes me positively ill.
> You have probably never been to say, Sweden, where I used to live and where
> most of the farms have gone. Grocery prices are through the roof.
More to do with Anthrax, Mad Cow disease and a distinct lack of land.
> But I guess you can not think that far ahead.
I would rather not subsidise you. Get it yet? To make your "industry"
viable, we have to put extra money down your trousers, otherwise you'd
be crying to mummy Pauline Hanson even more than you did last year.
You get the slosh bucket simply because there are more of you than there
are other special pleaders.
> You would rather be
> politically correct and piss in the abos pockets.
The aborigines are simply your particular hated group.
>> How can someone bludge when there's no employment for them? If they had
>> the land, bingo, employment.
> Yeah right.
> As if these coons are actully willing to go out and do a honest days work?
> When it is so much easier to bludge of the taxpayer and piss it up in the
> local park instead.
No input necessary by me here. Joined the KKK yet? I believe they
encourage that word of yours.
>> Address the issues then.
> You complain about drought relief to hardworking people and I might add most
> Australians dont mind helping. But then you want us to give money to a
> bludging dying race, with no prospects and it is entirely their own fault.
No input necessary by me here. Your hypocrisy and racism stands to
attention and salutes here.
>> If they're so productive, why do they keep coming back for hand-outs and
>> crying poor every time there's no rain? Shit, everyone else has heard of
>> a ``savings account'' but not the poor needy farming community. Fucking
>> bludgers.
> You are the fucking dildoe here. They are productive but how can they
> possibly beat a drought? You tell me. You are the one with all the answers.
Called a Long Term Savings Account. They're meant to use it in the good
years to save for the bad ones. And bad ones come. Ever noticed that it's
cyclical and relates to El Nino, etc? If you haven't, just how stupid ARE
you?
> And BTW, have you ever heard of high interest rates, falling commodity
> prices and lowering of tariffs?
If it's too tough, get out.
> You must be one of the most out-of-touch people I have ever heard of. And
> why dont you try and go out on the street and shout out your policies?
I'm doing it here. That's enough for me. I have employment in an
unsubsidised industry to keep me busy ;-).
> See how long you last before the people of Australia deals with you
> the way you deserve, string you up in the townsquare.
Noticed yet that the support for the hypocritical welfare mooching by
the National Party Special Pleading Group hasn't had that many supporters
joining in to defend you? Oh, apart from Scott Hillard.
I think it's because, deep down, they know that they are benefitting
from the kindness of the Australian people and that to vehemently attack
welfare given to another man while accepting welfare themselves is an
embarrassment, an abhorrance and a hypocrisy unworthy of the commonnest
garden slug.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Treat your friend as if he might become an enemy.
-- Publilius Syrus
Billy Cthulu
>> Prove that Korea's Left Wing.
> Well, they have said so in the past, long before you were born you little
> ill-informed cretin. What better proof can one have, the guilty party
> admitting it publicly.
Believe everything people tell you? Ever had someone mention you might
be slow?
Prove that it actually IS left-wing. Not just that some petty dictator
wanted his people to think it was. Try harder next time.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >> Prove that Korea's Left Wing.
>
> > Well, they have said so in the past, long before you were born you
little
> > ill-informed cretin. What better proof can one have, the guilty party
> > admitting it publicly.
>
> Believe everything people tell you? Ever had someone mention you might
> be slow?
>
> Prove that it actually IS left-wing. Not just that some petty dictator
> wanted his people to think it was. Try harder next time.
Dont need to. I have given you the evidence you asked for, whether you
choose to accept it or not is up to you.
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> > Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message:
> >> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >> > Well, you seem to be quick to want to give other peoples property
away
> >> > to bludging abos.
> >>
> >> Don't you care about the rights of the land-lord?
> >
> > You bet I do!!
>
> Good.
>
> > And I am my own landlord, I own my place. And no bloody abo is going to
come
> > and try to put a claim to it.
>
> You did realise that Mabo and Wick apply only to LEASEHOLDS, didn't
> you? If you purchased your land, rather than purchased an X Year
Leasehold,
> then nobody has claim to your land and it is not up for grabs. Native
> title was extinguished.
Yeah right, this time. And whats next? Freehold titles my boy. Dont be so
naive, the abos wont stop until someone tell them to.
Billy Cthulu
>Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
*laughs* By the same standard of evidence, both John Howard *and* Paul
Keating were the saviours of the True Believers (because they both said
they were).
What a corner you've painted yourself into. Schmuck.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
A good reputation is more valuable than money.
-- Publilius Syrus
Billy Cthulu
>>You did realise that Mabo and Wick apply only to LEASEHOLDS, didn't
>>you? If you purchased your land, rather than purchased an X Year
>>Leasehold, then nobody has claim to your land and it is not up for
>>grabs. Native title was extinguished.
>Yeah right, this time. And whats next? Freehold titles my boy. Dont be so
>naive, the abos wont stop until someone tell them to.
I'll try again for you because you're slow: NATIVE TITLE IS EXTINGUISHED
ONCE PUBLIC LAND HAS BEEN SOLD* TO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS. If you don't
believe me, call ATSIC or just about any Aboriginal representative
group and ask them. They'll be only too happy to confirm this.
[* Not leased, not a long term lease that's been transfered, but sold!]
Billy Cthulu
>Lev Lafayette <l...@news.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
>news:81chf7$jun$1...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au...
>>elected governments or where it is spent is determined by elected
>>governments perhaps you shouldn't participate in the system at all.
>And why not? Who are you to say that? I pay tax and I vote. What about you?
>have you ever worked a day in your life?
Conveniently, you've snipped his .signature. I'll replace it for you.
>>--
>>Lev Lafayette. l...@ariel.unimelb.edu.au http://ariel.unimelb.edu.au/~lev
>>* Electorate Officer for Essendon District, Parliament of Victoria
[...]
I dare say he's employed.
>>Print your own money. Or work with a barter system. But never claim "my
>>money" when every single aspect of its value is a result of a social
>>system.
>CRAP!!!
>This is indeed the taxpayers money and the government is purely elected to
>use and distribute the money to the best of their ability.
And if it weren't the government's role to do this, they wouldn't have
collected it in taxation in the first place. Therefore, it is no longer
your money but government money. Which is then spent or misspent as the
flavour of government of the day dictates.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
If in doubt, mumble.
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >CRAP!!!
> >This is indeed the taxpayers money and the government is purely elected
to
> >use and distribute the money to the best of their ability.
>
> And if it weren't the government's role to do this, they wouldn't have
> collected it in taxation in the first place. Therefore, it is no longer
> your money but government money. Which is then spent or misspent as the
> flavour of government of the day dictates
Still taxpayers money, owned collectively by all taxpaying Australians.
FromVentersd
> >>FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>Prove that Korea's Left Wing.
> >>
> >>>Well, they have said so in the past, long before you were born you
> >>>little
> >>>ill-informed cretin. What better proof can one have, the guilty party
> >>>admitting it publicly.
> >>
> >>Believe everything people tell you? Ever had someone mention you might
> >>be slow?
> >>
> >>Prove that it actually IS left-wing. Not just that some petty dictator
> >>wanted his people to think it was. Try harder next time.
>
> >Dont need to. I have given you the evidence you asked for, whether you
> >choose to accept it or not is up to you.
>
> *laughs* By the same standard of evidence, both John Howard *and* Paul
> Keating were the saviours of the True Believers (because they both said
> they were).
>
> What a corner you've painted yourself into. Schmuck.
Yeah? Is that right? I never noticed. How come you are the only one that
thinks so then?
FromVentersd
> >>You did realise that Mabo and Wick apply only to LEASEHOLDS, didn't
> >>you? If you purchased your land, rather than purchased an X Year
> >>Leasehold, then nobody has claim to your land and it is not up for
> >>grabs. Native title was extinguished.
>
> >Yeah right, this time. And whats next? Freehold titles my boy. Dont be so
> >naive, the abos wont stop until someone tell them to.
>
> I'll try again for you because you're slow: NATIVE TITLE IS EXTINGUISHED
> ONCE PUBLIC LAND HAS BEEN SOLD* TO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS. If you don't
> believe me, call ATSIC or just about any Aboriginal representative
> group and ask them. They'll be only too happy to confirm this.
>
Thats sounds kinda funny coming from you, calling someone else slow........
Why dont you actually read what I said;
"And whats next? Freehold titles my boy. Dont be so naive, the abos wont
stop until someone tell them to."
That means that this native title is only the start. Capiche? Comprende?
Understand? Verstand?
I didn't think so, but I at least I tried.
Fuck, you are dumb AND naive as well.
Billy Cthulu
> Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
> news:hd4u18...@ptcc.it.net.au...
>> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>> >Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message
>> >news:pf7q18...@ptcc.it.net.au...
>> >>You did realise that Mabo and Wick apply only to LEASEHOLDS, didn't
>> >>you? If you purchased your land, rather than purchased an X Year
>> >>Leasehold, then nobody has claim to your land and it is not up for
>> >>grabs. Native title was extinguished.
>>
>> >Yeah right, this time. And whats next? Freehold titles my boy. Dont be so
>> >naive, the abos wont stop until someone tell them to.
>>
>> I'll try again for you because you're slow: NATIVE TITLE IS EXTINGUISHED
>> ONCE PUBLIC LAND HAS BEEN SOLD* TO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS. If you don't
>> believe me, call ATSIC or just about any Aboriginal representative
>> group and ask them. They'll be only too happy to confirm this.
> Thats sounds kinda funny coming from you, calling someone else slow........
*laughs* Elsewhere in this thread you expect people to believe that
North Korea is left wing because its right wing dictators say it is.
Apparently you also believe that all those TPLACs are all happily
democratic (many have it written in their country name, don'tcha know).
> Why dont you actually read what I said;
> "And whats next? Freehold titles my boy. Dont be so naive, the abos wont
> stop until someone tell them to."
What's to stop aliens coming down and buttfucking your pets tonight?
Technically, nothing. But common-sense dictates that it's a bit bloody
unlikely.
> That means that this native title is only the start. Capiche? Comprende?
> Understand? Verstand?
And your proof is where? Aside from weak-kneed rightwingers from the
National Party and PHON, which groups have actually advocated this? None
in the aboriginal community, that's for sure. It would damage their
interests in getting basic sewerage and fresh water out to their tin
huts.
> I didn't think so, but I at least I tried.
True. All you've been doing here is demonstrating an absurd case of
racist paranoia.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
A clash of doctrine is not a disaster -- it is an opportunity.
FromVentersd
>
> > That means that this native title is only the start. Capiche? Comprende?
> > Understand? Verstand?
>
> And your proof is where? Aside from weak-kneed rightwingers from the
> National Party and PHON, which groups have actually advocated this? None
> in the aboriginal community, that's for sure.
You little naive moron.
Do you really think that the abos would own up to that anyway?
> > I didn't think so, but I at least I tried.
>
> True. All you've been doing here is demonstrating an absurd case of
> racist paranoia.
And all you have done is to show this NG is how politically correct you are
trying to be. And therefore, you lost all respect as well.
Billy Cthulu
>Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> wrote in message:
>>FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>>>That means that this native title is only the start. Capiche? Comprende?
>>>Understand? Verstand?
>>And your proof is where? Aside from weak-kneed rightwingers from the
>>National Party and PHON, which groups have actually advocated this? None
>>in the aboriginal community, that's for sure.
>You little naive moron.
>Do you really think that the abos would own up to that anyway?
If you're *that* paranoid why not phone ATSIC, do an impression of an
Aboriginal accent, and ask them straight out: "Bruddah, are we gonna
take us some whitey land they bought from the gummint? Or are we just
stickin' to the land that the gummint still owns?"
Nah, I can't see you being convinced anyway. Your conspiracy theory has
taken far too great a hold of what little noodle you once had. There
will be no proof good enough for you. You're like one of those pimply
gits who wears a "The Truth Is Out There" t-shirt.
>>>I didn't think so, but I at least I tried.
>>True. All you've been doing here is demonstrating an absurd case of
>>racist paranoia.
>And all you have done is to show this NG is how politically correct you are
>trying to be.
It's hardly politically correct to call farmers the whiney hypocritical
welfare moochers they are, is it.
We're supposed to think of you redneck fuckheads as the salt-of-the-earth
hard-workin' country types and feel sorry for you when the droughts come.
Instead of wondering why you and your kin still can't operate a simple
lousy bank account to save money during the good years. How many years
does it take you thickheads to grasp El Nino and La Nina and plan
ahead?!
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Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
If a man has a strong faith he can indulge in the luxury of skepticism.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
Billy Cthulu
>>collected it in taxation in the first place. Therefore, it is no longer
>>your money but government money. Which is then spent or misspent as the
>>flavour of government of the day dictates
>Still taxpayers money, owned collectively by all taxpaying Australians.
*bzzzt!* Sorry. Incorrect answer. It WAS tax payers money, is now owned by
the government, to be spent on improving the lot of ALL Australians.
Including the ones too poor to pay tax. Try harder next time.
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Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
There are more things in heaven and earth than any place else.
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> >You little naive moron.
> >Do you really think that the abos would own up to that anyway?
>
> If you're *that* paranoid why not phone ATSIC, do an impression of an
> Aboriginal accent, and ask them straight out: "Bruddah, are we gonna
> take us some whitey land they bought from the gummint? Or are we just
> stickin' to the land that the gummint still owns?"
And do you really think that ATSIC would say: " Yeah, we're gonna take this
great land back and we wont give up until the white fella has gone back to
Ingland"?
That would be like calling CIA and ask them if they want a hand to supress
communismn.
>
> Nah, I can't see you being convinced anyway. Your conspiracy theory has
> taken far too great a hold of what little noodle you once had. There
> will be no proof good enough for you. You're like one of those pimply
> gits who wears a "The Truth Is Out There" t-shirt.
And you believe in that shit:" Give the land back to the abos", " the
traditional owners", "stolen generation".
> >>>I didn't think so, but I at least I tried.
> >>True. All you've been doing here is demonstrating an absurd case of
> >>racist paranoia.
>
> >And all you have done is to show this NG is how politically correct you
are
> >trying to be.
>
> It's hardly politically correct to call farmers the whiney hypocritical
> welfare moochers they are, is it.
In your view it probably is and it is also PC to pretend to lobby for the
abos.
I, in contrast, do not care about PC. I stick up for the farmers because I
know that they are hardworking, honest Australians. Totally unlike your
favourite race, the abos, who can only draw on welfare, dont want to work,
beats up their women and starts brawls.
>
> We're supposed to think of you redneck fuckheads as the salt-of-the-earth
> hard-workin' country types and feel sorry for you when the droughts come.
FYI,
I happen to live (and always have), in Sydney.
> Instead of wondering why you and your kin still can't operate a simple
> lousy bank account to save money during the good years.
Perhaps you could mention that to your fucking abo pissheads too? AND BTW,
what does the farmer do when the bank account finally run dry?
How many years
> does it take you thickheads to grasp El Nino and La Nina and plan
> ahead?!
Again, perhaps you and your abo buddies could advise them on that. Abos are
known for their organisational ability......
NOT!!!
FromVentersd
> >>collected it in taxation in the first place. Therefore, it is no longer
> >>your money but government money. Which is then spent or misspent as the
> >>flavour of government of the day dictates
>
> >Still taxpayers money, owned collectively by all taxpaying Australians.
>
> *bzzzt!* Sorry. Incorrect answer. It WAS tax payers money, is now owned by
> the government, to be spent on improving the lot of ALL Australians.
> Including the ones too poor to pay tax. Try harder next time.
Wrong again boy.
The government does not "own" money coming from the taxpayers. The money is
held by treasury on behalf of the taxpayer.
Why do you come up with these silly guesses all the time? You only look
silly in front of this NG.
Ananke
<frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>And you believe in that shit:" Give the land back to the abos", " the
>traditional owners", "stolen generation".
>In your view it probably is and it is also PC to pretend to lobby for the
>abos.
>I, in contrast, do not care about PC. I stick up for the farmers because I
>know that they are hardworking, honest Australians. Totally unlike your
>favourite race, the abos, who can only draw on welfare, dont want to work,
>beats up their women and starts brawls.
>FYI,
>I happen to live (and always have), in Sydney.
>Perhaps you could mention that to your fucking abo pissheads too? AND BTW,
>what does the farmer do when the bank account finally run dry?
Whoa! That's outrageous, even by standards in this ng..
Mr from ventersdorp or where ever the hell it was, you now have the
dishonour of having one of only four killfile filters I've ever had...
let me introduce you to Rod Speed, Peter Mackay and Mosley.
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Billy Cthulu
> The government does not "own" money coming from the taxpayers.
If the government didn't own the money, someone should contact the
Reserve Bank and the DPP right now! Someone's opened an account and
is depositing and withdrawing funds not rightfully theirs.
> Why do you come up with these silly guesses all the time?
Face facts: once tax is collected, it is the government's to spend as it
so desires (it has ceased to be owned by taxpayers is then owned by
government). If you believe otherwise, call Crimestoppers are report the
repeated theft of your money. Go on, I dare you.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
It doesn't matter whether you win or lose -- until you lose.
Billy Cthulu
> And you believe in that shit:" Give the land back to the abos", " the
> traditional owners", "stolen generation".
To be honest, I'd be equally as happy to see pastoral leases go to fallow
untended or to be replanted as forest; in the free market John Howard
wants, farming in Australia would be unviable. But the Aboriginals would
be equally as deserving of it.
> I, in contrast, do not care about PC.
PC is an irrelevant topic and is only mentioned by rightwing kooks as
a bogeyman. I can list the number of left-wingers, that I've ever
known, who've actually taken PC seriously, on my left hand -- and that
with fingers to spare.
> I stick up for the farmers because I
> know that they are hardworking, honest Australians.
Been watching the Uncle Toby's adverts again, have we? :-)
Could your special friends make a go of it if all the perks
for the rural community were removed? Why is it everyone all the other
charity cases have to conform to "mutual activity agreements" but your
group gets its charity come rain or shine? Why shouldn't I be annoyed
at having to subsidise these people when they're not in genuine need?
> Totally unlike your
> favourite race, the abos, who can only draw on welfare, dont want to work,
> beats up their women and starts brawls.
You should consider joining up with the KKK, you know. They recruit
people who are:
(a) racist (ie, happy to state in public that they think "abos [...]
can only draw on welfare, dont want to work, beats up their
women and starts brawls").
(b) angry (you must be, otherwise you'd know when you've been fairly
comprehensively beaten in a thread), and,
(c) extraordinarilly gullible (the sort of person who would believe
that North Korea is left wing simply because the North Korean
government says so),
> I happen to live (and always have), in Sydney.
Bully for you. You obviously have some sort of desperate need to validate
the farming sector.
If my tax dollars are going to be spend subsidising anyone, I want them
to be those genuinely in need, not redneck whingers who can't manage their
finances to make their properties work else leave the industry for
somewhere where they can.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Knowledge without common sense is folly.
Billy Cthulu
>[...] You still
>haven't replied to the fact that farmers work hard for a living and abos
>dont. Why is that? Is it too hard a question?
I've answered it many times in this thread. You're both a drain on
government resources. However, at least Aborigines don't contribute to
soil erosion, rising salinity or pollution. They're also far more
attractive a recipient of wealth as they're genuinely poor and aren't
likely to whinge as much.
>And on the subject of subsidising, the farmers are not alone.
>There are others that you probably dont even know about;
>The motor vehicle industry
>The textile industry
>The footwear industry
>Should we take their subsidies away too?
Going protectionist, are we? You do realise that's a left wing policy
you're touting...
Personally, I say yes. Why should we subsidise US and Japanese companies
in the motor vehicle industry. We're also at a comparative disadvantage
in textiles and footwear. Let them fall.
We should be creating venture capital markets to fund the things we
*are* good at: technology, invention, medicine and genetics research.
We could easily do that with the money currently being used to prop up
the loser sectors we are now. Within a few years, these sectors will
fund themselves: prime example being Silicone Valley.
>And put a LOT more people out of work?
Let them find work in industries that produce things people want and
will pay decent prices for.
>If you want to whinge about subsidies, get your facts ready first.
They are, m'lad. They are. I'm well prepared to accept the consequences
of my views.
>As it is now, you look like a little schoolboy who just happen to pick up
>yesterdays paper.
You keep posing, I keep demolishing.
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Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Do not despair of life. -- Henry David Thoreau
Billy Cthulu
>>FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
>>>The government does not "own" money coming from the taxpayers.
>>
>>If the government didn't own the money, someone should contact the
>>Reserve Bank and the DPP right now! Someone's opened an account and
>>is depositing and withdrawing funds not rightfully theirs.
>You fool. Dont you ever give up? They government is doing this on behalf of
>the Australian people.
>Why is this so hard to grasp?
Bingo! Well done. "The Australian people" is exactly right. Not just the
ones who pay tax, but, all.
>>>Why do you come up with these silly guesses all the time?
>>
>>Face facts: once tax is collected, it is the government's to spend as it
>>so desires
>Yes.
>But that does NOT mean that the government OWNS the money you dork.
Money banked on behalf of other people gives that other person or
persons certain rights to withdraw money from that account. Guess what:
we don't have any withdrawal rights to accounts at the Reserve Bank.
Ownership of those funds has therefore changed hands.
>>(it has ceased to be owned by taxpayers is then owned by
>>government). If you believe otherwise, call Crimestoppers are report the
>>repeated theft of your money. Go on, I dare you.
>Why would I want to call Crimestoppers? No crime has been committed.
Glad you agree.
--
Billy Cthulu <cth...@ptcc.it.net.au> ---------------------------------------
Small change can often be found under seat cushions.
-- One of Lazarus Long's most penetrating insights
FromVentersd
> From Ventersd or something equally as revolting:
> > Totally unlike your
> > favourite race, the abos, who can only draw on welfare, dont want to
work,
> > beats up their women and starts brawls.
>
> You should consider joining up with the KKK, you know. They recruit
> people who are:
>
> (a) racist (ie, happy to state in public that they think "abos [...]
> can only draw on welfare, dont want to work, beats up their
> women and starts brawls").
Why pretend that this is not happening? Why do you bury your head in the
sand all the time, all for the sake of justifying welfare handouts to the
pissheads (abos)?
> If my tax dollars are going to be spend subsidising anyone, I want them
> to be those genuinely in need, not redneck whingers who can't manage their
> finances to make their properties work else leave the industry for
> somewhere where they can.
Perhaps the pisshead welfare industry like your heroes, the abos? You still
haven't replied to the fact that farmers work hard for a living and abos
dont. Why is that? Is it too hard a question?
And on the subject of subsidising, the farmers are not alone.
There are others that you probably dont even know about;
The motor vehicle industry
The textile industry
The footwear industry
Should we take their subsidies away too? And put a LOT more people out of
work? If you want to whinge about subsidies, get your facts ready first. As
FromVentersd
> FromVentersd <frie...@ftl.net.au> wrote:
> > The government does not "own" money coming from the taxpayers.
>
> If the government didn't own the money, someone should contact the
> Reserve Bank and the DPP right now! Someone's opened an account and
> is depositing and withdrawing funds not rightfully theirs.
You fool. Dont you ever give up? They government is doing this on behalf of
the Australiab people.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
>
> > Why do you come up with these silly guesses all the time?
>
> Face facts: once tax is collected, it is the government's to spend as it
> so desires
Yes.
But that does NOT mean that the government OWNS the money you dork.
(it has ceased to be owned by taxpayers is then owned by
> government). If you believe otherwise, call Crimestoppers are report the
> repeated theft of your money. Go on, I dare you.
Why would I want to call Crimestoppers? No crime has been committed.
I realise that you have trouble telling right from wrong, but dont worry.
You can come to me for advise.