What to do with a FOX News believer?

[Trevor Wilson]

I was chatting with a mate the other day. We haven't spoken for a few
years. There was a time when we would drink together every Friday night
and we would frequently socialise at other times. We've drifted apart,
but I thought I should catch up with John the other day with a 'phone
call. I should mention that John is a retired architect, so, an
intelligent guy. That and the fact that we've had many conversation on
mutual interests over many years.

The 'phone call was a complete cluster fuck. Big time. All we did was
argue. Here are some of the points of dispute:

* COVID. All he could bang on about was "freedom". All I could say was
that the government should keep mask mandates and isolation. Partly,
because It's common sense and we can keep older people alive. Besides,
the people in the 3rd largest economy regularly wear masks and they seem
to manage just fine.

* Global warming. He doesn't believe it exists, nor is it a problem.

* Trump is wonderful and Biden is corrupt. Hunter Biden laptop, blah,
blah blah.

* The media is fake. Except for FOX, of course.

How do you speak to someone who has swallowed this nonsense?

I am gob-smacked.


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[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

Just accept the fact that plenty have those views.

> I am gob-smacked.

More fool you.

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

The same goes for Sky News, the readers of the Daily Terror and any
other form of the Murdoch media.

Murdoch' media empire puts into circulation the kind of mental poison
that seemingly rots the brain of long term consumers.
The victims are lost to logic and reason and there is nothing that
mentally healthy members of society can do about it.
They all display a cult like mental state that is impossible to counter.

Just look at Petzl for instance in this very newsgroup.

I suppose some intense psychological deprogramming therapy could save a
few of them but the rest are hopeless.

Very disturbing! :-(

--
Ördög
"A reminder for your mortification"

[Rod Speed]

*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil <de...@a.shadow.that.scares.edu> wrote

Nope, those that agree with the line they run, choose to use those, stupid.

> The victims are lost to logic and reason

Just like you are with communism.

> and there is nothing that mentally healthy members of society can do
> about it.
> They all display a cult like mental state that is impossible to counter.

Just like you are with communism.

> I suppose some intense psychological deprogramming therapy could save a
> few of them

No chance.

> but the rest are hopeless.

Just like you are with communism.

> Very disturbing! :-(

Nope.

[Fran]

You can't. they've had their brains kicked out.
>
> I am gob-smacked.

I can understand that and can sympathise.

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

Alzheimer Rod shares his hard right bent:

Not really.
There are indeed some in the far right who see advantage in
intentionally pushing these mental refuse lines for their own nefarious
reasons, but the rest are just brainwashed wankers who now honestly
believe that up is down and left is right...

Here are some nice samples from these typical Murdoch trash consumers:

*Trump Supporters Double Down On Conspiracies At Rally*
/The Damage Report/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNDiykm_D4I>

"Trump supporters break down their feelings on conspiracies relating to
school teachings and the divide on being recognized as a one religion
nation at Trump rally.

Read more here:
*Seth Meyers Spots Donald Trump’s ‘Weirdest And Most Uncomfortable’
Rally Moment Yet*
<
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/seth-meyers-donald-trump-nuclear_n_6332aefee4b0e376dbeef129>

> stupid.

Are you now talking to yourself Alzheimer Rod or are you just
projecting? Not that it matter in the outcome!

>
>> The victims are lost to logic and reason
>
> Just like you are with communism.
>

Nice try at goal post shifting. But no luck for you as I won't bite.
The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdoch spread
propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.

>
>> and there is nothing that mentally healthy members of society can do
>> about it.
>> They all display a cult like mental state that is impossible to counter.
>
> Just like you are with communism.
>

Nice try at goal post shifting. But no luck for you as I won't bite.
The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdoch spread
propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.

>>
>> I suppose some intense psychological deprogramming therapy could save
>> a few of them
>
> No chance.
>

Are you saying that from personal experience, Alzheimer Rod?
I strongly assume that you do as you have proven yourself time and time
again resistant to all facts, reason, logic and basic human decency that
went against your right retarded fixation.

>
>> but the rest are hopeless.
>
> Just like you are with communism.
>

Nice try at goal post shifting. But no luck for you as I won't bite.
The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdoch spread
propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.
>
>> Very disturbing!  :-(
>
> Nope.

Being OK with extreme rightard brain rot speaks volumes about the kind
of sociopath-creep you really are Alzheimer Rod.

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

*Ördög*

>> *Ördög*
>>> Trevor Wilson

>>
>>>> I was chatting with a mate the other day. We haven't spoken for a
>>>> few years. There was a time when we would drink together every
>>>> Friday night and we would frequently socialise at other times. We've
>>>> drifted apart, but I thought I should catch up with John the other
>>>> day with a 'phone call. I should mention that John is a retired
>>>> architect, so, an intelligent guy. That and the fact that we've had
>>>> many conversation on mutual interests over many years.
>>>>  The 'phone call was a complete cluster fuck. Big time. All we did
>>>> was argue. Here are some of the points of dispute:
>>>>  * COVID. All he could bang on about was "freedom". All I could say
>>>> was that the government should keep mask mandates and isolation.
>>>> Partly, because It's common sense and we can keep older people
>>>> alive. Besides, the people in the 3rd largest economy regularly wear
>>>> masks and they seem to manage just fine.
>>>>  * Global warming. He doesn't believe it exists, nor is it a problem.
>>>>  * Trump is wonderful and Biden is corrupt. Hunter Biden laptop,
>>>> blah, blah blah.
>>>>  * The media is fake. Except for FOX, of course.
>>>>  How do you speak to someone who has swallowed this nonsense? I am
>>>> gob-smacked.
>>
>>> The same goes for Sky News, the readers of the Daily Terror and any
>>> other form of the Murdoch media.
>>> Murdoch' media empire puts into circulation the kind of mental poison
>>> that seemingly rots the brain of long term consumers.

>>> The victims are lost to logic and reason

>>> and there is nothing that mentally healthy members of society can do
>>> about it.
>>> They all display a cult like mental state that is impossible to counter.

>>> I suppose some intense psychological deprogramming therapy could save

>>> a few of them but the rest are hopeless.

/snip/

Here is is another proof for the validity of what was said above on this
subject:

*61% of Republicans STILL Think Trump Won 2020*
/David Pakman Show/
1.5M subscribers
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiWZWl8Jej4>

"61% of Republicans still believe that Joe Biden was not the legitimate
winner of the 2020 election according to a new poll"
See:
<https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll-61-republicans-still-believe-biden-didnt-win-fair-square-2020-rcna49630>

[Peter Jason]

Am I reading you correctly? Is there a COMMUNIST in this hallowed
newsgroup?!
>
Who let him in? Where is the moderator?
Can it be ejected, frogmarched out - on a rail?

I'm thinking of leaving if nothing's done!
.

[Petzl]

You don't believe it is you being conned by your choice of media?
For USA newss fox is the best but not 100%
And their slant is up for sale.
--
Petzl
Kim Dotcom in New Zealand where your FBI crime gang
raided his mansion, like the scene from Apocalypse Now where
helicopters were playing "Flight of the Valkyries", machine gun toting
cops everywhere, all they had to do was ring the door bell?
NZ has gun control no one in the mansion was armed,

Hollywood, Kenyan Obama's major donation source, wanted him made a
example!
Of course no evidence needed, just suspicion, socilist Prime Minister
Jacinda Ardern's NZ police are being sued up to the eyeball's
https://youtu.be/KmIPVrkN1hA

[Rod Speed]

*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil <de...@a.shadow.that.scares.edu> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

Fraid so.

> There are indeed some in the far right who see advantage in
> intentionally pushing these mental refuse lines for their own nefarious
> reasons,

Doesnt explain the Murdoch organs. They
do it to flog their papers and service, stupid.

> but the rest are just brainwashed wankers who nowhonestly believe that

> up is down and left is right...

Just like you communists.

>>> The victims are lost to logic and reason

>> Just like you are with communism.

> Nice try at goal post shifting.

There are no goal posts and nothing moved a millimeter
except the shit that poured from your arse.

> But no luck for you as I won't bite.

Everyone can see that you have done just that.

> The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
> brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdochspread
> propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.

The topic of this thread is actually why some choose to
believe something different to what others believe and
choose to use the media that holds the same view as them.

>>> and there is nothing that mentally healthy members of society can do
>>> about it.
>>> They all display a cult like mental state that is impossible to
>>> counter.

>> Just like you are with communism.

> Nice try at goal post shifting.

There are no goal posts and nothing moved a millimeter
except the shit that poured from your arse.

> But no luck for you as I won't bite.

Everyone can see that you have done just that.

> The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
> brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdochspread
> propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.

The topic of this thread is actually why some choose to
believe something different to what others believe and
choose to use the media that holds the same view as them.

>>> I suppose some intense psychological deprogramming therapy could save
>>> a few of them

>> No chance.

> Are you saying that from personal experience

Nope, plenty like Russia and China have tried it, it just doesnt work.

<reams of your commie shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
where it belongs>

>>> but the rest are hopeless.

>> Just like you are with communism.

> Nice try at goal post shifting.

There are no goal posts and nothing moved a millimeter
except the shit that poured from your arse.

> But no luck for you as I won't bite.

Everyone can see that you have done just that.

> The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
> brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdochspread
> propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.

The topic of this thread is actually why some choose to
believe something different to what others believe and
choose to use the media that holds the same view as them.

>>> Very disturbing! :-(

>> Nope.

<reams of your commie shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
where it belongs>>

[Rod Speed]

Peter Jason <p...@jostle.com> wrote

> Am I reading you correctly?

Yep.

> Is there a COMMUNIST in this hallowed newsgroup?!

Yep, the orpooch.

> Who let him in?

He let himself in, typical communist slime.

> Where is the moderator?

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantays.

> Can it be ejected, frogmarched out - on a rail?

That's your job. Get off your lard arse, boy.

> I'm thinking of leaving if nothing's done!

Great. Bye. .

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

Alzheimer Rod is daydreaming of sitting on a high horse...until reality
bites:

/snip/

> Ördög

>> Murdoch' media empire puts into circulation the kind of mental
>> poison that seemingly rots the brain of long term consumers.
>

/snip/
> Fraid so.
>
So much for right retarded paranoia, eh senile old demented Rod boi!

>
>> There are indeed some in the far right who see advantage in
>> intentionally pushing these mental refuse lines for their own
>> nefarious reasons,
>
> Doesnt explain the Murdoch organs.
>

Sure it does. Murdoch (and the creeps serving this shady media empire)
is a greedy bastard capitalist creep who is power and profits addicted
and could not give a damn whatsoever about the social consequences of
his actions.

>
> They
>> do it to flog their papers and service,
>

YAWN! That was obvious from the start, nobody in this thread has
suggested otherwise despite of your failing comprehension ability and
the demented voices in your head.

>
> stupid.
>
Are you now talking to yourself Alzheimer Rod or are you just

projecting? Not that it matters in the outcome!
>
>> but the rest are just brainwashed wankers who now honestly believe

>> that up is down and left is right...
>
> Just like you communists.
>

Try as might I won't fall your trap of goal post shifting.

But no luck for you as I won't bite.

The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdoch spread
propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.
>

>> The victims are lost to logic and reason
>
>  Just like you are with communism.
>

Nice try at goal post shifting. But no luck for you as I won't bite.

The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your lot's)
brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized Murdoch spread
propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult like manner.
>

> There are no goal posts and nothing moved a millimeter
>

BULLSHIT! Look at the subject line in the header. It has fucking nothing
to do with any leftist econopolitical/sociopolitical ideology.

>
> except the shit that poured from your arse.
>

Are you now talking again to yourself Alzheimer Rod or are you just
projecting? Not that it matters in the outcome!>

>
>> But no luck for you as I won't bite.
>
> Everyone can see that you have done just that.
>

Maybe you need a new pair of glasses, eh, Alzheimer Rod?
And a new and still functioning brain!
What you see is ain't there, and I have clearly pointed that out!

>
>> The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your
>> lot's) brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized
>> Murdochspread  propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult
>> like manner.
>
> The topic of this thread is actually why some choose to
> believe something different to what others believe and
> choose to use the media that holds the same view as them.
>

The bulk of those cretins who do such things are all Murdoch fans, and
they are behaving like certifiable nutjobs...if that madness was
hereditary or was acquired through being rightard brainwashed by the
likes of the Murdoch media was a secondary question at this point. They
all have obsessive confirmation bias and hence flock to Murdoch's /snip/

> There are no goal posts and nothing moved a millimeter
> except the shit that poured from your arse.
>
>

BULLSHIT! Look at the subject line in the header. It has fucking nothing
to do with any leftist econopolitical/sociopolitical ideology.

>
> except the shit that poured from your arse.
>

Are you now talking again to yourself Alzheimer Rod or are you just
projecting? Not that it matters in the outcome!>

>
>> But no luck for you as I won't bite.
>
> Everyone can see that you have done just that.
>

Maybe you need a new pair of glasses, eh, Alzheimer Rod?
And a new and still functioning brain!
What you see is ain't there, and I have clearly pointed that out!>

>
>> The topic of this thread remains the political hard right's (your
>> lot's) brain dead and sociopathic behavior induced by weaponized
>> Murdochspread  propaganda lies and misinformation almost in a cult
>> like manner.
>
> The topic of this thread is actually why some choose to
> believe something different to what others believe and
> choose to use the media that holds the same view as them.
>
>

The bulk of those cretins who do such things are all Murdoch fans, and
they are behaving like certifiable nutjobs...if that madness was
hereditary or was acquired through being rightard brainwashed by the
likes of the Murdoch media was a secondary question at this point. They
all have obsessive confirmation bias and hence flock to Murdoch's
>
snip/

>
> Nope, plenty like Russia and China have tried it, it just doesnt work.
>

Pay attention Alzheimer Rod boi! Your demented mind keeps on wondering.
The topic of discussion is the US/OZ and rest of the West which is under
the influence of brainwashing propaganda brought to your by the rightard
media, specially Murdoch. No one suggests that Murdoch has influence
over China nor Russia.
(fuck your goal post shifting desperation)

>
> <reams of your commie shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>
>

So you admit that you have actually nothing relevant to say on the
subject,thus you spew somethin'...somethin'...communism.
>
/snip/

>
> <reams of your commie shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>>
>

So you admit that you have actually nothing relevant to say on the
subject,thus you spew somethin'...somethin'...communism like a broken
record.

:-)

[Trevor Wilson]

On 3/10/2022 1:05 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:04:57 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I was chatting with a mate the other day. We haven't spoken for a few
>> years. There was a time when we would drink together every Friday night
>> and we would frequently socialise at other times. We've drifted apart,
>> but I thought I should catch up with John the other day with a 'phone
>> call. I should mention that John is a retired architect, so, an
>> intelligent guy. That and the fact that we've had many conversation on
>> mutual interests over many years.
>>
>> The 'phone call was a complete cluster fuck. Big time. All we did was
>> argue. Here are some of the points of dispute:
>>
>> * COVID. All he could bang on about was "freedom". All I could say was
>> that the government should keep mask mandates and isolation. Partly,
>> because It's common sense and we can keep older people alive. Besides,
>> the people in the 3rd largest economy regularly wear masks and they seem
>> to manage just fine.
>>
>> * Global warming. He doesn't believe it exists, nor is it a problem.
>>
>> * Trump is wonderful and Biden is corrupt. Hunter Biden laptop, blah,
>> blah blah.
>>
>> * The media is fake. Except for FOX, of course.
>>
>> How do you speak to someone who has swallowed this nonsense?
>>
>> I am gob-smacked.
>>
> You don't believe it is you being conned by your choice of media?

**I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science. Anything
else is opinion. So, no. I trust the science.

> For USA newss fox is the best but not 100%

**Wrong. It is utterly and completely bereft of sanity, logic and reason.

> And their slant is up for sale.

**Yep.

[Rod Speed]

*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil <de...@a.shadow.that.scares.edu> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Ördög

>>> There are indeed some in the far right who see advantage in
>>> intentionally pushing these mental refuse lines for their own
>>> nefarious reasons,

>> Doesnt explain the Murdoch organs.

> Sure it does. Murdoch (and the creeps serving this shady media empire)
> is a greedy bastard capitalist creep who is power and profits addicted
> and could not give a damn whatsoever about the social consequences of
> his actions.

Nothing NEFARIOUS about that, fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Petzl wrote

>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>> I was chatting with a mate the other day. We haven't spoken for a few
>>> years. There was a time when we would drink together every Friday night
>>> and we would frequently socialise at other times. We've drifted apart,
>>> but I thought I should catch up with John the other day with a 'phone
>>> call. I should mention that John is a retired architect, so, an
>>> intelligent guy. That and the fact that we've had many conversation on
>>> mutual interests over many years.
>>>
>>> The 'phone call was a complete cluster fuck. Big time. All we did was
>>> argue. Here are some of the points of dispute:
>>>
>>> * COVID. All he could bang on about was "freedom". All I could say was
>>> that the government should keep mask mandates and isolation. Partly,
>>> because It's common sense and we can keep older people alive. Besides,
>>> the people in the 3rd largest economy regularly wear masks and they
>>> seem
>>> to manage just fine.
>>>
>>> * Global warming. He doesn't believe it exists, nor is it a problem.
>>>
>>> * Trump is wonderful and Biden is corrupt. Hunter Biden laptop, blah,
>>> blah blah.
>>>
>>> * The media is fake. Except for FOX, of course.
>>>
>>> How do you speak to someone who has swallowed this nonsense?
>>>
>>> I am gob-smacked.
>>>
>> You don't believe it is you being conned by your choice of media?

> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.

> Anything else is opinion.

Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.

> So, no. I trust the science.

You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.

The science says that even if this country shut down all power
generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
have no measurable effect on world climate.

[Trevor Wilson]

** Of course, which is why I stick to the science. FOX is just opinion.

>
>> So, no. I trust the science.
>
> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.

**Really? Why would you imagine that?

>
> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
> have no measurable effect on world climate.

**I NEVER claimed otherwise. You're just making shit up. That's your
stawman.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

> Of course, which is why I stick to the science.

You don't actually. Much of what you claim is science is actually opinion.

Particularly that stupid claim you make that everyone has to do something.
That is complete and utter bullshit with those who are entirely
independant,
grow their own veg, don't eat meat, walk everywhere etc.

> FOX is just opinion.

So is much of Scientific American, Nature, Science and the IPCC.

>>> So, no. I trust the science.

>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> Really? Why would you imagine that?

I told you in the next para.

>> The science says that even if this country shut down allpower

>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely,that would have no

>> measurable effect on world climate.

> I NEVER claimed otherwise.

Then it was stupid of you to proclaim that this
country must do something and lead the world.

> You're just making shit up. That's your stawman.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

[Trevor Wilson]

**Liar.

>
> Particularly that stupid claim you make that everyone has to do something.

**That is a fact.

> That is complete and utter bullshit with those who are entirely
> independant,
> grow their own veg, don't eat meat, walk everywhere etc.

**No one does that. Or at least 99.99999% don't.

>
>> FOX is just opinion.
>
> So is much of Scientific American, Nature, Science and the IPCC.

**Liar. Those publications are scientific ones. FOX is ALL opinion and
is worthless.

>
>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>
>>>  You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>> Really? Why would you imagine that?
>
> I told you in the next para.

**Without A SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

>
>>>  The science says that even if this country shut down allpower
>>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely,that would  have no
>>> measurable effect on world climate.
>
>> I NEVER claimed otherwise.
>
> Then it was stupid of you to proclaim that this
> country must do something and lead the world.

**EVERY nation must act. Including Australia.

>
>> You're just making shit up. That's your stawman.
>
> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

**True. Fortunately, I'm not bullshitting. I am stating fact. You, OTOH,
are just a lying cunt.

[Rod Speed]

> Liar.

What a stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> Particularly that stupid claim you make that everyone has to do
>> something.

> That is a fact.

It is not a fact that everyone has to do something about climate change.

It isn't even clear that man made climate change
is actually a bad thing.

>> That is complete and utter bullshit with those who are entirely
>> independant, grow their own veg, don't eat meat, walk everywhere etc.

> No one does that.

That is complete and utter pig ignorant bullshit with subsistence
agriculture

> Or at least 99.99999% don't.

Still complete and utter pig ignorant bullshit with subsistence
agriculture.

>>> FOX is just opinion.

>> So is much of Scientific American, Nature, Science and the IPCC.

> Liar.

What a stunning line in rational argument you have there.

> Those publications are scientific ones.

But quite a bit of the prediction of what might happen to the
climate is in fact opinion and not science.

In spades with the most important point that climate
change is absolutely certain to be a bad thing.

The science STILL hasn't explained why we have
seen a massive hike in the atmospheric level of CO2
and a very arguable increase in world temperatures.

> FOX is ALL opinion

Wrong when it reports stuff like the russian invasion
of the Ukraine and the damage to the Nord pipelines.

> and is worthless.

Not with current affairs and what that fool Trump has just got up to etc.

>>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>
>>>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard
>>>> arse.
>>
>>> Really? Why would you imagine that?
>> I told you in the next para.
>

> Without A SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

Don't need evidence to that particular statement, it is
obvious given how little our emissions are in the world
level of emissions.

>>>> The science says that even if this country shut down allpower
>>>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely,that would have no
>>>> measurable effect on world climate.

>>> I NEVER claimed otherwise.

>> Then it was stupid of you to proclaim that this
>> country must do something and lead the world.

> EVERY nation must act. Including Australia.

And that is OPINION, not science.

Lichtenstein and Dagestan don't, they are FAR
too small to need to do that and if they don't
bother that won't have any effect on what others do.

>>> You're just making shit up. That's your stawman.

>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> True. Fortunately, I'm not bullshitting. I am stating fact.

Bullshit you are with that stupid claim that everyone has to do something.

That is OPINION.

> You, OTOH, are just a lying cunt.

What a stunning line in rational argument you have there.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:32:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

snip

>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.
>
>> Anything else is opinion.
>
>Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.

No it is also one sided opinion, where they never at least rarely show
BOTH for and against arguments.
They also don't allow reader feedback!

There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.
By they way I'm not anti-VAX, I'm to old to worry about it, I take
every shot I'm told benefits me.
Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
Fran complained!
Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
birthday!

That's I kill filed the dumb three, Dolf was the only one I had
blocked before that.

Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
after the 1-week period is over.
We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.

>
>> So, no. I trust the science.
>
>You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>

Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.

>The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>have no measurable effect on world climate.
>

Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant but no
suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.
Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.
No doubt full of kickbacks
Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a
Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance
from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a
complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents
and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning? There is no purpose?

If gravity was slightly more powerful
the universe would collapse into a bowl!
If gravity was less powerful the universe would fly apart,
there would be no stars no planets!

Gravity is precisely as strong as it needs to be!
If the ratio of the electromagnetic force to the
strong force wasn't 1% life wouldn't exist!

[Ördög]

Alzheimer Rod, honing his anger management disaster:

> Ördög
>> There are indeed some in the far right who see advantage in
>> intentionally pushing these mental refuse lines for their own
>> nefarious reasons,
>
>>>  Doesnt explain the Murdoch organs.
>

But it does...GOP henchmen just like Murdoch and Co are hell bent on
pushing the far-right culture war and conspiracy kookery masking hard
capitalist agendas that keeps the profits flowing no matter at what the
cost to the community at large is. Fuck all that lower class subhuman
working salve class scum, fuck a civil society. If that is NOT
"nefarious" I don't know what is!

>> Sure it does. Murdoch (and the creeps serving this shady media empire)
>> is a greedy bastard capitalist creep who is power and profits addicted
>> and could not give a damn  whatsoever about the social consequences of
>> his actions.
>
> Nothing NEFARIOUS about that,
>

Of course, such a ego maniac and fully sociopathic rightard loon like
you would say that.
>> fuckwit.
>
Alzheimer Rod from Kindie3 is growling again at the image angrily
staring back at him from his bathroom mirror.

--
The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.
>
>>> Anything else is opinion.

>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.

> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never atleast rarely show

> BOTH for and against arguments.

They do with most controversys, just
not with man made climate change.

> They also don't allow reader feedback!

Two of them do, normally with letters to the editor.

> There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
> of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.

BULLSHIT.

> By they way I'm not anti-VAX, I'm to old to worryabout it, I take every

> shot I'm told benefits me.

> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
> Fran complained!

> Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
> birthday!

> That's I kill filed the dumb three, Dolf was the only one I had
> blocked before that.

> Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
> You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
> stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
> after the 1-week period is over.

> We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
> within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.

>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>
>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.

Not just the left, also climate bullshit.

>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>> have no measurable effect on world climate.

> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant

Got a link for that ?

> but no suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.

You say a wind farm below.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 10:00:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>
>>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.
>>
>>>> Anything else is opinion.
>
>>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.
>
>> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never atleast rarely show
>> BOTH for and against arguments.
>
>They do with most controversys, just
>not with man made climate change.
>
>> They also don't allow reader feedback!
>
>Two of them do, normally with letters to the editor.
>

Often heavily censorsed like SMH just allow leftie opinions

>> There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
>> of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>

thats why I put the video he made on Youtub, Fran informed tYoutube it
was anti-vax (They gave me her real name)
it wasn't ,just a doctor who raised concerns
Then she informed Aus.politics of your birthday

>> By they way I'm not anti-VAX, I'm to old to worryabout it, I take every
>> shot I'm told benefits me.
>
>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>> Fran complained!
>
>> Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
>> birthday!
>
>> That's I kill filed the dumb three, Dolf was the only one I had
>> blocked before that.
>
>> Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
>> You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
>> stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
>> after the 1-week period is over.
>
>> We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
>> within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.
>
>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.
>
>Not just the left, also climate bullshit.
>

I don't believe that climate doesn't change just nothing we can do
about it. Particually Australia who absorbs more carbon than it
produces simply by it land mass and surrounding oceans.
I doubt very much that CO2 is the cause at any rate.

>>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>>> have no measurable effect on world climate.
>
>> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant
>
>Got a link for that ?
>

<https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/warragamba-dam-labors-preferred-flood-mitigation-plan-to-increase-water-bills/news-story/4d22bb4fde4e365b6148c3cf55110bbd>
https://tinyurl.com/2qjmdn9u
Water bills to skyrocket under dam plan
Household water bills will shoot up if Warragamba Dam’s maximum
capacity is lowered – a plan Labor is “closely” looking at to mitigate
devastating floods.

>> but no suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.
>
>You say a wind farm below.
>

Yes that will be the largest cost

f the wall is raised 14m:

It will cost $1.6bn

Water bills will stay the same

It will take four years to build

73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits

If the supply level is lowered by 12m:

$1bn will need to be spent to modify the current floodgate to allow
water to be released
$3.5bn-$4bn will need to be spent to build a new desalination plant to
meet Sydney's drinking water needs
It will take six years for the project to be completed
55,900 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits
$130 will be added to every annual household bill

>> Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
>> this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.
>> No doubt full of kickbacks
>
>> Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
>> The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.

--
Petzl
Labor "Greens" are Termites.
Political and social termites.
I loathe them with a passion.
They typify what is wrong with Australia and the West.

[Ördög]

Petz the raving village idiot demonstrates his skills

> Alzheimer Rod, the anger management disaster of aus.pol
>> Trevor Wilson

>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.
>>> Anything else is opinion.
>

Not everything. There is still real news around...but it is harder and
harder to find as media companies do mix a lot of manufactured opinions
into how they bring you the news depending on their targeted audiences'
assumed political tastes.

>
>>
>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.
>>

That is your slanted opinion, Alzheimer. LOL
Thanks for proving that you don't actually read popular-science
publications.

>
> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never at least rarely show
> BOTH for and against arguments.
>

Science is not about "showing both sides"...it is not fucking politics,
Petz dear!
I don't actually blame you for not knowing that, after all janitors'
toilet plunger carrying aids like you were never expected to be at that
level of education.
In science if you challenge an accepted hypothesis you'd better put up
some solid proof providing tangible empirical data and a sound
theoretical explanation for what is happening or you should shut the
fuck up until you are able to do it properly.

>
> They also don't allow reader feedback!
>

Science publications ain't the Daily Terror! Sorry Petz, but that is a fact.

>
> There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
> of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.
>

See above...w/o providing scientific evidence that proves your case you
don't get to spread wild ideas.

>
> By they way I'm not anti-VAX,
>

You are a idiot who regularly regurgitate conspiracy kookery, regardless
of facts and reality.

You have been pushing all sorts of wild crap ever since the Covid
pandemic with the related mitigation measures and different treatment
strategies became a political issue for the far right.
Never forget Petz that all your crazy posts on this subject are still
around on varying Usenet servers around the globe, all searchable by
those who bother looking for them.

>
> I'm to old to worry about it, I take every shot I'm told benefits me.
>

Why? After all didn't vaccine opponents told you that your DNA is now
changed to make you a slave by the "deep state" as part of a communist
conspiracy by the World Government run by George Soros, Bill Gates aided
by reptilian blood sucking space-alien invaders from Alpha Draconis.

>
> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
> Fran complained!
>

Really? Have you forgotten to take your anti-Fran-derangement-syndrome
meds today?

BTW people who have serious scientific concerns together with proper
supporting evidence don't run to YouTube (or social media) with some
crazed video upload but instead contact a relevant independent
scientific research group (there are plenty of such groups around the
globe) and get their findings confirmed before going public with it.

>
> Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
> birthday!
>

Oh NO! GoonCon3+ again????

>
> That's I kill filed the dumb three,
>

Thanks for that! Much appreciated...no I can take the Mickey out of your
crazy posts w/o any further interference from you.

>
> Dolf was the only one I had blocked before that. >

YADA...YADA...YADA....Sour grapes, eh Petz dear?

>
> Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
> You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
> stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
> after the 1-week period is over.
> We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
> within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.
>

What the fuck are you rambling on about?
Have you tried to spread conspiracy kookery and got fucked over by the
algorithm. Well, tough cookie! Serves you right.

>
>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>
>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>

Says the senile old demented creep who wouldn't know what science was
even if it bit him on his anger management disaster lard arse, eh
Alzheimer Rod?

>
> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.
>

Again, science is not about some imaginary balance like fucking politics
is. It is about observed facts and their theoretical explanation based
on logic and what science currently knows on the subject.

>
>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>> have no measurable effect on world climate.
>>

Given the country's major fossil fuel (coal and gas) supplier status on
the world stage what we do here has global effects.

>>
> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant but no
> suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.
>

To lower???? BULLSHIT, it does.
Where the fuck have you dug up that stupid assertion. Or is this just
one of those GoonCon3+ phantasms of yours.

But who know, maybe desal plants in the future can be run on rightard
brain-farts generated power.

>
> Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
> this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.
> No doubt full of kickbacks
> Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
> The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.

Definitely the very stuff GooCon3+ phantasms are made of!

Have you ever tried detox????

:-P :-P :-P

~~~
/NOTE: All your idiot sigs are consigned to cyber nirvana w/o reading/

[Rod Speed]

Ördög <newsgro...@hell.incorporated.biz> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Ördög wrote

>>> There are indeed some in the far right who see advantage in
>>> intentionally pushing these mental refuse lines for their own
>>> nefarious reasons,

>>>> Doesnt explain the Murdoch organs.

> But it does...

We'll see...

> GOP henchmen just like Murdoch and Co are hell bent on pushing the
> far-right culture war and conspiracy kookery masking hard capitalist
> agendas that keeps the profits flowing

NONE of his shit rags are profitable anymore.

> no matter at what the cost to the community at large is.

There is no real cost to the community at large.

> Fuck all that lower class subhuman working salve class scum, fuck a
> civil society. If that is NOT "nefarious" I don't know what is!

More fool you.

[Ördög]

Alzheimer Rod provides his in fallible financial assessment on the
Murdoch-corporate empire.

/snip/

> NONE of his shit rags are profitable anymore.

Do you regard Faux News and Sky News as "rags'?
I mean, they are truly pure vile trash, but printed they ain't.

But his printed rags do exactly the kind of destructive job Murdoch
wants them to do. Thus he might be willing to sacrifice some profits in
one branch of his financial empire in order to grow and generate a lot
more elsewhere.

> There is no real cost to the community at large.
>

The damage caused to social cohesion, civil discourse, ethical norms,
democratic institutions ain't only measured in monetary values. But a
dystopian, increasingly violent and mentally deranged society (as is now
the current state of affairs in the USA) certainly cost a lot to both
the working class and all small to medium size businesses. Of course the
corporate upper class don't feel any pain as profit margins still keep
on rising while their liabilities towards their consumers and wage
slaves are on the wane. Murdoch vs Society score = 1 : 0

>
>> Fuck all that lower class subhuman working salve class scum, fuck a
>> civil society. If that is NOT "nefarious" I don't know what is!
>
> More fool you.

> Alzheimer Rod from Kindie3 keeps growling at the image angrily staring

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.

>>>>> Anything else is opinion.

>>>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.

>>> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never atleast rarely show
>>> BOTH for and against arguments.

>> They do with most controversys, just
>> not with man made climate change.

>>> They also don't allow reader feedback!

>> Two of them do, normally with letters to the editor.

> Often heavily censorsed like SMH just allow leftie opinions

Not with Scientific American, Nature and Science
when pointing out the errors in the science with
all but man made climate change.

>>> There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
>>> of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.

>> BULLSHIT.

> thats why I put the video he made on Youtub, Fran informed Youtube it

> was anti-vax (They gave me her real name)

What is that ? The email address works fine.

> it wasn't ,just a doctor who raised concerns

But he never got struck off because he had some reservations
about some aspects of the mRNA vaccines.

>>> By they way I'm not anti-VAX, I'm to old to worryabout it, I take
>>> every
>>> shot I'm told benefits me.
>>
>>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>>> Fran complained!
>>

>>> That's I kill filed the dumb three, Dolf was the only one I had
>>> blocked before that.
>>
>>> Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
>>> You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
>>> stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
>>> after the 1-week period is over.
>>
>>> We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
>>> within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.
>>
>>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>>>
>>>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard
>>>> arse.
>>
>>> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.
>>
>> Not just the left, also climate bullshit.

> I don't believe that climate doesn't change

Corse it does.

> just nothing we can do about it.

That's arguable. We could certainly kill say 90%
of the people, all the animals bred for food, ban
all power generation, cars, planes, ships etc.

But it is far from clear how much difference it
would make ot the climate given that even with
the very dramatic increase in atmospheric CO2
levels, it is very far from clear if that has in fact
had any effect on climate at all.

> Particually Australia who absorbs more carbon than it
> produces simply by it land mass and surrounding oceans.
> I doubt very much that CO2 is the cause at any rate.

Yeah, doesn't look likely.

>>>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>>>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>>>> have no measurable effect on world climate.

>>> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant

>> Got a link for that ?

> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/warragamba-dam-labors-preferred-flood-mitigation-plan-to-increase-water-bills/news-story/4d22bb4fde4e365b6148c3cf55110bbd>
> https://tinyurl.com/2qjmdn9u
> Water bills to skyrocket under dam plan
> Household water bills will shoot up if Warragamba Dam’s maximum
> capacity is lowered – a plan Labor is “closely” looking at to mitigate
> devastating floods.

That doesnt mention a desal plant.

>>> but no suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.
>>
>> You say a wind farm below.
>>
> Yes that will be the largest cost

But we already have one and looking closely
doesn't mean that Labor will do that, specially
given that Chalmers isn't actually a big spender.

[Trevor Wilson]

On 4/10/2022 9:27 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:32:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> snip
>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.
>>
>>> Anything else is opinion.
>>
>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.
>
> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never at least rarely show
> BOTH for and against arguments.

**Bullshit. Proper scientific journals operate via the peer-review process.

> They also don't allow reader feedback!

**That idiotic statement merely proves that you have never read a
scientific journal:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/letters-to-the-editor/

https://www.nature.com/nature/for-authors/other-subs

https://www.sciencenews.org/article-type/letters-to-the-editor

Try READING a proper science magazine, before you make anymore ignorant
comments.

>
> There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
> of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.

**Really? Cite.

> By they way I'm not anti-VAX, I'm to old to worry about it, I take
> every shot I'm told benefits me.
> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
> Fran complained!
> Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
> birthday!
>
> That's I kill filed the dumb three, Dolf was the only one I had
> blocked before that.
>
> Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
> You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
> stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
> after the 1-week period is over.
> We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
> within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.
>>
>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>
>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>
> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.

**Bullshit. I trust the science. Always. Not FOX. FOX is bullshit.

>
>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>> have no measurable effect on world climate.
>>
> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant but no
> suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.

**Cite evidence to prove your claims.

> Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
> this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.

**Cite evidence to prove your claims.

> No doubt full of kickbacks
> Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
> The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.

**Yet another daft idea from the COALition. Spending money on stupid
stadia, moving museums, etc. The sooner we are rid of the scum, the better.

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Petzl wrote

>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.

>>>> Anything else is opinion.
>
>>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.

>> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never at least rarely show
>> BOTH for and against arguments.

> Bullshit. Proper scientific journals operate via the peer-review process.

Scientific American and Science don't.

And peer reviewed is flawed too when the peers are
paid climate 'scientists' who will lose their job if they
disagree with the party line.

>> They also don't allow reader feedback!

> That idiotic statement merely proves that you have never read a
> scientific journal:

> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/letters-to-the-editor/

> https://www.nature.com/nature/for-authors/other-subs

> https://www.sciencenews.org/article-type/letters-to-the-editor

But it is very far from clear how much of what it submitted
ever gets published, particularly with climate change.

>>>> So, no. I trust the science.

>>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.

>> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.

> Bullshit. I trust the science. Always.

There is no science involved with your stupid claim that
everyone must do something about climate change.

>>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>>> have no measurable effect on world climate.

>> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant but no
>> suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.

> Cite evidence to prove your claims.

He just did.

>> Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
>> this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.

> Cite evidence to prove your claims.

He just did.

>> No doubt full of kickbacks
>> Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
>> The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.

> Yet another daft idea from the COALition. Spending money on stupid
> stadia, moving museums, etc.

Corse there never was any utter corruption in the previous Labor govt, eh ?

> The sooner we are rid of the scum, the better.

Taint gunna happen, you watch.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:53:07 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 4/10/2022 9:27 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:32:55 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> snip
>>>> I regularly read Scientific American, Nature and Science.
>>>
>>>> Anything else is opinion.
>>>
>>> Much of that is opinion not supported by evidence.
>>
>> No it is also one sided opinion, where they never at least rarely show
>> BOTH for and against arguments.
>

Ok conceeded had them mixed up with another

>**Bullshit. Proper scientific journals operate via the peer-review process.
>

>>

>> There are Doctors that were not for the Covid shots, when they spoke
>> of their concerns they were struck off as being a Medical Doctor.
>
>**Really? Cite.
>

<https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/news/medical-council-suspends-three-anti-vax-doctors>
Dec 15, 2021Medical Council suspends three anti-vax doctors Fiona
Cassie fcassie[AT]nzdoctor.co.nz Wednesday 15 December 2021, 04:22 PM
Medical Council chair Curtis Walker There is "no place for
anti-vaccination messages in professional practice" More than six
months after first threatening sanctions against anti-CO Oops, please
login or sign up to read more.

>
>> By they way I'm not anti-VAX, I'm to old to worry about it, I take
>> every shot I'm told benefits me.
>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>> Fran complained!
>> Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
>> birthday!
>>
>> That's I kill filed the dumb three, Dolf was the only one I had
>> blocked before that.
>>
>> Here's the note just deleted all video. No problem for me.
>> You have 1 strike. You won’t be able to upload content, post, or live
>> stream for 1 week. Your full privileges will be restored automatically
>> after the 1-week period is over.
>> We want to help you avoid getting another strike, since 3 strikes
>> within 90 days can cause your channel to be permanently removed.
>>>
>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>>
>> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.
>
>**Bullshit. I trust the science. Always. Not FOX. FOX is bullshit.
>

I disagree, you just think you do

>>
>>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>>> generation, cars, trucks and aircraft completely, that would
>>> have no measurable effect on world climate.
>>>
>> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant but no
>> suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.
>
>**Cite evidence to prove your claims.
>
>
>> Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
>> this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.
>
>**Cite evidence to prove your claims.
>

<https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/warragamba-dam-labors-preferred-flood-mitigation-plan-to-increase-water-bills/news-story/4d22bb4fde4e365b6148c3cf55110bbd.>
https://tinyurl.com/2qjmdn9u

BARE
If the wall is raised 14m:

It will cost $1.6bn

Water bills will stay the same

It will take four years to build

73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits
If the supply level is lowered by 12m:
$1bn will need to be spent to modify the current floodgate to allow
water to be released
$3.5bn-$4bn will need to be spent to build a new desalination plant to
meet Sydney's drinking water needs
It will take six years for the project to be completed
55,900 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits
$130 will be added to every annual household bill

>> No doubt full of kickbacks
>> Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
>> The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.
>
>**Yet another daft idea from the COALition. Spending money on stupid
>stadia, moving museums, etc. The sooner we are rid of the scum, the better.

Why, its cheaper than Labors $6 billion desal plant powered by wind
mills.
The existing Desal plant is adequate but because of it Warragabamba
needs raising.
--
Petzl
The Greens have never done anything worthwhile to this country.
All they are known for is being an arm of the ALP and handing them and
vice versa, preferences at election time.

[Rod Speed]

No it doesn't with all this rain.

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

Alzheimer Rod proves his bullshit artist qualification beyond all doubts:

> Trevor Wilson
>> Petzl wrote
>>>
/snip/>>>

>>>  No it is also one sided opinion, where they never at least rarely show
>>> BOTH for and against arguments.
>
>> Bullshit. Proper scientific journals operate via the peer-review process.
>>

Correct!

>>
> Scientific American and Science don't.
>

They do provide references to actual scientific publication sources
which are of course peer reviewed, you demented senile old moron.

>
> And peer reviewed is flawed too when the peers are
> paid climate 'scientists' who will lose their job if they
> disagree with the party line.
>

You, like your boyfriend, the village idiot, must really be into
conspiracy theories just as you both are scientific illiterates.

More regurgitated make belief bullshit assertions manufactured by your
favorite fossil-fuel corporate establishment.

What party line, your know nothin' senile old loon, are you raving
about? We are talking about the world wide climate science community
involving thousands of varying institutions.
Do you suggest that they are all employed by the communist space-invader
and shape-shifter reptilian AGW World Government Party, or somethin'
similar?

However, there is a tiny little truth to what you suggest...well, kind of.
Those handful of AGW denialist "experts" who support the official
pro-fossil-fuel agenda are all strangely enough financially linked to
the fossil fuel industrial complex. Amazing, eh, buster? They are truly
in it for the money.

>
>>> They also don't allow reader feedback!
>
>> That idiotic statement merely proves that you have never read a
>> scientific journal:
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/letters-to-the-editor/
>> https://www.nature.com/nature/for-authors/other-subs
>> https://www.sciencenews.org/article-type/letters-to-the-editor
>
> But it is very far from clear how much of what it submitted
> ever gets published, particularly with climate change.
>

Long live your favourite conspiracy lunacy. You are full of shit,
Alzheimer Rod.

>
>>> Trevor trusts whatever slant is to the left no balance.
>
>> Bullshit. I trust the science. Always.
>
> There is no science involved with your stupid claim that
> everyone must do something about climate change.
>

No science is needed, you ago maniac sociopath.
It is just plain old common sense that if all of us planet wide do
something about it, no matter how little that might be at the individual
level, the planet wide cumulative effects could be hugely positive.

Of course, your possibly best contribution in this respect would be
dropping dead, ASAP. Just think about all those tons CO2 you regularly
emit while manufacturing your stinky brain farts, and all those fossil
full power plants generated electrons you waste while propagating all
that horrible pro fossil fuels burning advocacy-propaganda,on tops of
your pro LNP shitfuckery.

>
>>> Labor want to lower Warragamba Dam and put in a desal plant but no
>>> suggestion where the power for a desal plant will come from.
>
>> Cite evidence to prove your claims.

> >>> Sydney Water rates are expected to rise by $130 a year to pay for
>>> this, total cost for modifying Dam and wind farm $6 billion.
>
>> Cite evidence to prove your claims.
>
> He just did.
>

Bullshit he did...Murdoch trash/LNP lies and phantasms is not a valid
evidence to be used for anything.

>
>>> No doubt full of kickbacks
>>> Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!
>

>Brain dead anti Labor propaganda nonsense as part of the Petz's
Village idiot Show.

>
>>> The other option is to raise the dam level for $1.4 billion.
>
>> Yet another daft idea from the COALition. Spending money on stupid
>> stadia, moving museums, etc.
>
> Corse there never was any utter corruption in the previous Labor govt, eh ?
>

So you justify disgusting political corruption by referencing historical
corruption cases fro years gone by. Well done, Alzheimer Rod...NOT!
>
Obviously. We need a good riddance for this hopeless LNP lot, making
sure that most can't return by exposing their corruption and
incompetence in the public domain.

>
> Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>

Nice wishful thinking on your part, senile old LNP drone! Luckily your
fortune telling ain't so reliable .... just look at your useless dumb
hero ScoMo being booted out of office regardless of your predictions to
the contrary.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:49:27 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:40:05 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

snip

>>> **Cite evidence to prove your claims.
>>>
>>

>> The existing Desal plant is adequate but because of it Warragabamba
>> needs raising.
>
>No it doesn't with all this rain.

The raising is not to increase storage its to stop downstream flooding

73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits

Full text below
<https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/warragamba-dam-labors-preferred-flood-mitigation-plan-to-increase-water-bills/news-story/4d22bb4fde4e365b6148c3cf55110bbd.>
https://tinyurl.com/2qjmdn9u
Warragamba Dam: Labor’s preferred flood mitigation plan to increase
water bills

Household water bills will shoot up if Warragamba Dam’s maximum
capacity is lowered – a plan Labor is “closely” looking at to mitigate
devastating floods.

Angira Bharadwaj
and
Lachlan Leeming
October 4, 2022 - 5:00AM
66 comments
NSW
News.

Household water bills will shoot up by $130 per year if Warragamba
Dam’s maximum capacity is lowered – a plan Labor leader Chris Minns
will “closely” look at as his answer to devastating floods in Western
Sydney.

A secret government briefing, seen by The Daily Telegraph, revealed
that lowering the full supply level of the dam by 12m will add $130 to
annual family budgets because of modifications and a new desalination
plant that will be needed to offset the drop in water levels.

The project is anticipated to cost more and take longer to execute
than raising the dam wall.

In July this year, Labor leader Chris Minns told 2GB he would look
“closely” at the option to lower the maximum water capacity of
Warragamba Dam and was sceptical of raising the wall.

“If we can make up the lost capacity in drinking water supply in the
Sydney basin we can do it in a more cost effective way.”

Warragamba spills over in Western Sydney. With another wet La Nina
summer on the way, flood mitigation is once again a hot topic of
debate.
Warragamba spills over in Western Sydney. With another wet La Nina
summer on the way, flood mitigation is once again a hot topic of
debate.
To lower the water capacity, the dam would be slowly released through
controlled leaks — leaks that can only happen once a billion dollars
are spent on modifications to the current flood gate.

As more rain pounds Sydney and NSW – the internal document by Water
NSW estimated raising the wall will cost $1.6bn.

FLOOD PLANS LAID BARE

If the wall is raised 14m:

It will cost $1.6bn

Water bills will stay the same

It will take four years to build

73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits

If the supply level is lowered by 12m:

$1bn will need to be spent to modify the current floodgate to allow
water to be released
$3.5bn-$4bn will need to be spent to build a new desalination plant to
meet Sydney's drinking water needs
It will take six years for the project to be completed
55,900 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
hits
$130 will be added to every annual household bill

The document found that a raised wall would be cheaper than the
$3.5bn-$4bn desalination plant that would be needed if the supply
level is lowered.

It will also take six years to prop up the 250 megalitre plant instead
of the four years required to raise the wall by 14m.

“Following investigation of all feasible options, the
Hawkesbury-Nepean Valley Flood Management Taskforce found that raising
the dam wall was the best flood mitigation option as it would lower
potentially devastating flood levels downstream, give people more
certainty of time to evacuate and decrease flood damage to urban and
rural properties by more than 70 per cent on average,” the document
read.

“Alternative options to permanently lower the full water supply level
… would require significant investment to offset the increased risk to
Sydney’s water security and drought resilience as a result of the
reduced volume of water stored at Warragamba Dam.”

NSW Labor leader Chris Minns is “closely” looking at the lowered
supply option if he wins government. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Jeremy
Piper
NSW Labor leader Chris Minns is “closely” looking at the lowered
supply option if he wins government. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Jeremy
Piper
Water Minister Kevin Anderson opposed the plan to ‘slug taxpayers
hundreds’. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Nikki Short
Water Minister Kevin Anderson opposed the plan to ‘slug taxpayers
hundreds’. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Nikki Short
Most compellingly, the memo found that a raised wall would mean 73,600
people will no longer have to flee the Hawkesbury-Nepean valley in the
event of a flood if the wall is raised compared to 55,900 if the
supply level is lowered.

The new revelations shoot down claims by Mr Minns that the wall
raising project will cost too much and that lowering the capacity is a
“cheaper” alternative.

Water Minister Kevin Anderson slammed the opposition’s view as a
policy that will add “hip pocket pain”.

“Under a Labor Government, taxpayers will be slugged hundreds of
dollars in water bills,“ he said.

“Raising the wall is the best flood mitigation option, because it
would lower potentially devastating flood levels downstream, and
significantly reduce the number of people needing to evacuate.”

Labor water spokesman Rose Jackson said the government had been in
power for 12 years but the wall had still not been raised.

Revealed: The whopping cost of not raising the dam wall
Political bunfight over wishy-washy dam wall plans
“This 12 year old government has proposed raising the wall for over a
decade, with constantly changing projected costs and no money
allocated in the Budget to deliver the project,” she said.

“As the Hawkesbury-Nepean communities suffer from repeated flooding
events the NSW Government engages in these silly political games.”

--
Petzl
The Greens have never done anything worthwhile to this country.
All they are known for is being an arm of the ALP and handing them and
vice versa, preferences at election time.

[Fran]

On 4/10/2022 11:01 am, Ördög wrote:
> Petz the raving village idiot demonstrates his skills

>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>> Fran complained!

WTF??????? Ravign village idiot is the best description for this
demented idiot!

> Really? Have you forgotten to take your anti-Fran-derangement-syndrome
> meds today?

He mixes those meds up with his anti-Ordog derangement meds and his
anti-Daniel derangement meds.

>
> BTW people who have serious scientific concerns together with proper
> supporting evidence don't run to YouTube (or social media) with some
> crazed video upload but instead contact a relevant independent
> scientific research group (there are plenty of such groups around the
> globe) and get their findings confirmed before going public with it.
> >
>> Then straight after that Fran claimed to show links about Rod Speeds
>> birthday!

And to Rod Speed's Daddy's second marriage (handsome man that he was).

Yep.

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Cite evidence to prove your claims.

>>> The existing Desal plant is adequate but because of it Warragabamba
>>> needs raising.

>> No it doesn't with all this rain.

> The raising is not to increase storage its to stop downstream flooding
> 73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
> hits

The other obvious alternative is to let water out before more
rain shows up and that still means that no desal is needed.

> Full text below
> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/warragamba-dam-labors-preferred-flood-mitigation-plan-to-increase-water-bills/news-story/4d22bb4fde4e365b6148c3cf55110bbd.>
> https://tinyurl.com/2qjmdn9u
> Warragamba Dam: Labor’s preferred flood mitigation plan to increase
> water bills
> Household water bills will shoot up if Warragamba Dam’s maximum
> capacity is lowered – a plan Labor is “closely” looking at to mitigate
> devastating floods.
>
> Angira Bharadwaj
> and
> Lachlan Leeming
> October 4, 2022 - 5:00AM
> 66 comments
> NSW
> News.
>
> Household water bills will shoot up by $130 per year if Warragamba
> Dam’s maximum capacity is lowered – a plan Labor leader Chris Minns
> will “closely” look at as his answer to devastating floods in Western
> Sydney.

> A secret government briefing, seen by The Daily Telegraph, revealed
> that lowering the full supply level of the dam by 12m will add $130 to
> annual family budgets because of modifications and a new desalination
> plant that will be needed to offset the drop in water levels.

Still no reason for an extra desal plant.

Just more mindless journo bullshit.

> The project is anticipated to cost more and take longer to execute
> than raising the dam wall.

> In July this year, Labor leader Chris Minns told 2GB he would look
> “closely” at the option to lower the maximum water capacity of
> Warragamba Dam and was sceptical of raising the wall.

> “If we can make up the lost capacity in drinking water supply in the
> Sydney basin we can do it in a more cost effective way.”

No need to do it at all in fact.

BULLSHIT.

[Fran]

On 4/10/2022 1:51 pm, Ördög wrote:
> Alzheimer Rod provides his in fallible financial assessment on the
> Murdoch-corporate empire.

>> There is no real cost to the community at large.
> >
> The damage caused to social cohesion, civil discourse, ethical norms,
> democratic institutions ain't only measured in monetary values.

Indeed. If morons like Roddles knew any history at all, He'd know thaat
spreading strife, disinformation and misinformation is anti-social. If
we were now at war, peopel who spread the shit views that he and the
village idiot do would be known as 5th columnists.

[Max]

On 4/10/2022 1:51 pm, Ördög wrote:

> The damage caused to social cohesion, civil discourse, ethical norms,
> democratic institutions ain't only measured in monetary values. But a
> dystopian, increasingly violent and mentally deranged society (as is now
> the current state of affairs in the USA) certainly cost a lot to both
> the working class and all small to medium size businesses. Of course the
> corporate upper class don't feel any pain as profit margins still keep
> on rising while their liabilities towards their consumers and wage
> slaves are on the wane. Murdoch vs Society score = 1 : 0

Why does Murdoch want to be destructive to society?

[Petzl]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 17:32:53 +1100, "Rod Speed"

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Cite evidence to prove your claims.
>
>>>> The existing Desal plant is adequate but because of it Warragabamba
>>>> needs raising.
>
>>> No it doesn't with all this rain.
>
>> The raising is not to increase storage its to stop downstream flooding
>> 73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
>> hits
>
>The other obvious alternative is to let water out before more
>rain shows up and that still means that no desal is needed.
>

For some reason "they" cant or won't do this even with a "Rain Bomb
coming"?
Queensland follows the same reasoning?
Rather have Brisbane flood than try?

--
Petzl
"When you let people into your country that hate everything about you and your heritage,
there's a good chance they will kill you."

[Daniel65]

Rod Speed wrote on 4/10/22 8:59 am:

> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote

<Snip>

>>>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>>
>>>>>  You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard
>>>>> arse.
>>>
>>>> Really? Why would you imagine that?
>>>  I told you in the next para.
>>
>> Without A SHRED OF EVIDENCE.
>
> Don't need evidence to that particular statement, it is
> obvious given how little our emissions are in the world
> level of emissions.

Just as well you don't need evidence, Rod, cause that evidence might not
support your argument!!

I thought I was a list, somewhere, which listed Australia as THE
GREATEST POLLUTER in the world by head of population, but I'm unable to
locate that listing so I'll provide a 2018 listing where Australia is
ranked sixth by greenhouse gas emissions per person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_person

Canada 9th,U.S. of A. 11th, Russia 13th, New Zealand 16th.
--
Daniel

[Daniel65]

Fran wrote on 4/10/22 5:26 pm:

> On 4/10/2022 11:01 am, Ördög wrote:
>> Petz the raving village idiot demonstrates his skills
>
>>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>>> Fran complained!
>
> WTF???????  Ravign village idiot is the best description for this
> demented idiot!
>
>> Really? Have you forgotten to take your anti-Fran-derangement-syndrome
>> meds today?
>
> He mixes those meds up with his anti-Ordog derangement meds and his
> anti-Daniel derangement meds.

WHAT?? There's an anti-dote for me!! Really?? ;-P
--
Daniel

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 20:52:22 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 17:32:53 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Cite evidence to prove your claims.
>>
>>>>> The existing Desal plant is adequate but because of it Warragabamba
>>>>> needs raising.
>>
>>>> No it doesn't with all this rain.
>>
>>> The raising is not to increase storage its to stop downstream flooding
>>> 73,600 fewer Western Sydney residents will have to evacuate if a flood
>>> hits

>> The other obvious alternative is to let water out before more
>> rain shows up and that still means that no desal is needed.

> For some reason "they" cant or won't do this even with a "Rain Bomb
> coming"?

That's overstated.

> Queensland follows the same reasoning?
> Rather have Brisbane flood than try?

That was a policy decision, not forced on those that chose to not do that.

[Rod Speed]

Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>>> So, no. I trust the science.
>>>>
>>>>>> You wouldn't know what the science was if it bit you on your lard
>>>>>> arse.
>>>>
>>>>> Really? Why would you imagine that?
>>>> I told you in the next para.
>>>
>>> Without A SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

>> Don't need evidence to that particular statement, it is
>> obvious given how little our emissions are in the world
>> level of emissions.

> Just as well you don't need evidence, Rod, cause that evidence might not
> support your argument!!

That is just mindless waffle.

In fact the evidence is the volume of our emissions compared
with the rest of the world. Fuck all in fact, so when we can't
even explain why there has been almost no increase in world
temperatures and sea levels with an undoubted almost
doubling in the atmospheric CO2 level, it is clear that even
if this country did stop adding any CO2 at all overnight,

that would have no measurable effect on world climate.

> I thought I was a list, somewhere, which listed Australia as THE
> GREATEST POLLUTER in the world by head of population,

Per head of population is irrelevant to what was being discussed there.

> but I'm unable to locate that listing so I'll provide a 2018 listing
> where Australia is ranked sixth by greenhouse gas emissions per person.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_person

> Canada 9th,U.S. of A. 11th, Russia 13th, New Zealand 16th.

Still so low that even if we stopped it all tomorrow, there would
STILL be no measurable effect on world climate.

And THATS what matters.

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

Alzheimer Rod:
> Daniel65
>> Rod Speed
>>> Trevor Wilson
/snip/

>>>> Without A SHRED OF EVIDENCE.
>
>>>  Don't need evidence to that particular statement, it is
>>> obvious given how little our emissions are in the world
>>> level of emissions.
>
>> Just as well you don't need evidence, Rod, cause that evidence might
>> not support your argument!!
>
> That is just mindless waffle.
>

What can be asserted w/o evidence can also be rejected w/o the need for
any further proof for the rejections. Thumbs up, Daniel!

The fossil-fuel industrial complex and the LNP's propaganda machinery's
generated misinformation bullshit and outright lies that Alzheimer Rod
is regurgitating here provide no falsifiable evidence to support the
stupid conclusion he is drawing from them.

/snip lots of Alzheimer Rod generated crap/
>
> And THATS what matters.

Yeah, right. Your adherence to the LNP party line crap is just that,
CRAP! And THATS what matters.

[Fran]

Have you heard of the lowest common denominator? He gets rich by
appealing to that group because he cann feed then any sort of shit and
they will lap it up.

[zall]

On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 15:52:40 +1100, Fran
<gettingmoredelusiona...@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:

> On 4/10/2022 7:53 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 4/10/2022 1:51 pm, Ördög wrote:
>>> The damage caused to social cohesion, civil discourse, ethical norms,
>>> democratic institutions ain't only measured in monetary values. But a
>>> dystopian, increasingly violent and mentally deranged society (as is
>>> now the current state of affairs in the USA) certainly cost a lot to
>>> both the working class and all small to medium size businesses. Of
>>> course the corporate upper class don't feel any pain as profit margins
>>> still keep on rising while their liabilities towards their consumers
>>> and wage slaves are on the wane. Murdoch vs Society score = 1 : 0

>> Why does Murdoch want to be destructive to society?

> Have you heard of the lowest common denominator?

That's not what its about.

> He gets rich by appealing to that group because he cann feed then any
> sort of shit and they will lap it up.

He got rich by providing what some can't find anywhere else.

[*Ördög* the real newsgroup Devil]

Kindie3 Alzheimer Rod still trolling as zall like the idiot he really is

> Fran
>> Max
>>> Ördög

>>>> The damage caused to social cohesion, civil discourse, ethical
>>>> norms, democratic institutions ain't only measured in monetary
>>>> values. But a dystopian, increasingly violent and mentally deranged
>>>> society (as is now the current state of affairs in the USA)
>>>> certainly cost a lot to both the working class and all small to
>>>> medium size businesses. Of course the corporate upper class don't
>>>> feel any pain as profit margins still keep on rising while their
>>>> liabilities towards their consumers and wage slaves are on the wane.
>>>> Murdoch vs Society score = 1 : 0
>
>>>  Why does Murdoch want to be destructive to society?
>

Because he can, and does enjoy the power of money which can be used to
make even more money and on tops to toy with the lives of the serfs
making up the subhuman lower social classes only to massage his own ego.

>> Have you heard of the lowest common denominator?
>
> That's not what its about.

Bullshit, Alzheimer. You yourself (then trolling as senile old Rod)
pointed out elsewhere in the thread the very money making motivation
component of publishing garbage rags forto the brain-dead masses. You
just can't flip-flop your arguments with impunity. Not while I am around!

>> He gets rich by appealing to that group because he cann feed then any
>> sort of shit and they will lap it up.
>
> He got rich by providing what some can't find anywhere else.

Well...it's kind of the chicken/egg dilemma, eh Alzheimer? Which came first.

Of course, creeps like Murdoch and like you never possessed the social
conscience required for trying to do good for society (your fellow
humans) instead of aiming to milk it by any dirty means possible for
personal profits and the power it provides.

[Ördög]

Daniel65

> Fran
>> Ördög
>>> Petz

>>>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>>>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>>>> Fran complained!
>>

>> WTF???????  Raving village idiot is the best description for this

>> demented idiot!
>>
>>> Really? Have you forgotten to take your
>>> anti-Fran-derangement-syndrome meds today?
>>
>> He mixes those meds up with his anti-Ordog derangement meds and his
>> anti-Daniel derangement meds.
>
> WHAT?? There's an anti-dote for me!! Really?? ;-P

Only if your are the a derangement syndrome itself and not its
target...are you Daniel? ;-P

[Daniel65]

Ördög wrote on 6/10/22 7:56 am:

> Daniel65
>> Fran
>>> Ördög
>>>> Petz
>>>>> Had one such doctor from NZ who had concerns put his video up then
>>>>> after months of being there sent me a shitty note because looks like
>>>>> Fran complained!
>>>
>>> WTF???????  Raving village idiot is the best description for this
>>> demented idiot!
>>>
>>>> Really? Have you forgotten to take your
>>>> anti-Fran-derangement-syndrome meds today?
>>>
>>> He mixes those meds up with his anti-Ordog derangement meds and his
>>> anti-Daniel derangement meds.
>>
>> WHAT?? There's an anti-dote for me!! Really?? ;-P
>
> Only if your are the a derangement syndrome itself and not its
> target...are you Daniel?   ;-P
>

Umm! Hang on!! I think I need to work harder at deciphering that!! ;-P
--
Daniel

[Ördög]

Daniel65

> Ördög
>> Daniel65
>>> Fran
/snip/

>>>>
>>>> He mixes those meds up with his anti-Ordog derangement meds and his
>>>> anti-Daniel derangement meds.
>>>
>>> WHAT?? There's an anti-dote for me!! Really?? ;-P
>>
>> Only if your are the a derangement syndrome itself and not its
>> target...are you Daniel?   ;-P
>>
> Umm! Hang on!! I think I need to work harder at deciphering that!! ;-P

Do you need me breaking its meaning down for you, Danial?
If you need any detailed explanation I can happily supply one, and it
will be typed very slowly.
Always ready to help, that is what newsgroup devils do. ;-P

[Daniel65]

Ördög wrote on 7/10/22 9:05 am:

> Daniel65
>> Ördög
>>> Daniel65
>>>> Fran
> /snip/
>
>>>>>
>>>>> He mixes those meds up with his anti-Ordog derangement meds and his
>>>>> anti-Daniel derangement meds.
>>>>
>>>> WHAT?? There's an anti-dote for me!! Really?? ;-P
>>>
>>> Only if your are the a derangement syndrome itself and not its
>>> target...are you Daniel?   ;-P
>>>
>> Umm! Hang on!! I think I need to work harder at deciphering that!! ;-P
>
> Do you need me breaking its meaning down for you, Danial?
> If you need any detailed explanation I can happily supply one, and it
> will be typed very slowly.
> Always ready to help, that is what newsgroup devils do. ;-P
>

Well, I know I don't own/posses ('your') a derangement syndrome, let
alone actually be one!! Someone might be targeting me with one ... but
how would I know?? ;-P
--
Daniel

[Ördög]

Daniel65

/snip/

> Well, I know I don't own/posses ('your') a derangement syndrome, let
> alone actually be one!! Someone might be targeting me with one ... but
> how would I know?? ;-P

;-)