Realism and Fairness About Race
Colin Jones
Realism and Fairness About Race: An Interview With Jared Taylor
2004-10-26
Derek Turner of England's Right Now! interviews Jared Taylor, author
and editor of American Renaissance.
Q. Can you tell us when and why American Renaissance was founded, and
the subsequent history of the magazine?
I started AR in 1990 for what many would consider radical or even
dangerous purposes: to encourage whites to think of their interests in
explicitly racial terms, to recognize that every other race in the
United States does so instinctively, and to understand that if whites
alone fail to act as a group, they jeopardize their long-term survival
as a distinct people with a distinct culture and way of life.
Needless to say, this is not a message welcomed by the establishment.
However, ordinary Americans increasingly understand the crisis our
country faces. AR has now been publishing monthly for nearly 14 years,
and our readership continues to grow. Five years ago, we began
distributing an electronic version of AR over the Internet, and this
has greatly increased our overseas readership.
My association with the magazine has resulted in a certain notoriety
and many radio and television appearances. I believe that the logical
and moral force of the AR position is increasingly winning recognition
despite ingrained and intense hostility to any form of racial
consciousness on the part of whites.
Q. Can you summarise your/AR's credo?
I would like to think that the AR credo is realism and fairness:
realism in the sense that race is a central element in individual and
group identity and must not be ignored; fairness in that there must be
no double standards in racial or ethnic matters. A number of policy
conclusions derive from these positions. A realistic evaluation of
race leads to the conclusion that race and culture are inseparable.
Some individuals can fully embrace a culture established by people of
a different race but most cannot.
This is why race is the most volatile social fault line in any country
and why the current dramas of `tolerance', `multiculturalism',
`inclusion', etc, are almost always about race.
The United States is a good example of the significance of race.
Whites from many countries have largely assimilated - with some
friction - to a majority Anglo-Saxon culture, but non-whites have not.
Europe is now going through the same process, with one country after
another discovering that when nonwhites arrive in large numbers they
congregate in unassimilable enclaves. This raises the question of
fairness. Whites are repeatedly told that they must make every effort
to accommodate alien newcomers and even, if need be, see their nations
redefined if non-white immigration requires this. Whites are told to
prepare themselves psychologically to be outnumbered by non-whites,
and even though this threatens to wash away the cultures and
nationalities we love, anyone who resists dispossession is a moral
inferior.
Just imagine the reverse process of whites pouring into Mexico or
Pakistan, forcing their practices upon the natives and even demanding
special treatment because they are minorities bearing the gift of
`diversity'. Imagine Mexican and Pakistani leaders telling their
people demographic displacement is a good thing, and that new
languages, religions, folkways and crime rates may seem alien but are
precious sources of enrichment.
It is this one-sided advancement of non-whites into white territories
that makes the current dynamic of race and immigration unacceptable
and even dangerous to whites.
Q. What else does New Century Foundation do, apart from publish AR
every month?
We hold an international conference on race and immigration every two
years, and we publish a small number of monographs and books. We also
maintain a very active web page at amren.com.
Q. What is your own family and political background?
I am the child of missionaries to Japan, where I spent the first 16
years of my life. My parents were conventional liberals and so was I
until about the age of 30.
Q. What first drove you to take an interest in racial differences and
immigration? Which academics, writers or philosophers have inspired
you?
I spent a year travelling in west Africa, where I discovered that my
liberal beliefs in racial and cultural equivalence were wrong. I also
spent two years in Paris studying history and economics, and gradually
came to the conclusion that the basic tenets of liberalism - that
government can improve our lives, that environment is much more
important than genetics, that all groups have the same potential, that
men and women have similar natures - are wrong.
I have been much influenced by the work of James Burnham, Arthur
Jensen and Wilmot Robertson, but conversations over the years with
other racially aware whites have probably influenced me more.
Q. Do you believe hereditarian ideas are now becoming more widely
acceptable?
Yes. The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker is a good example of this. The
evidence for the influence of genes is now so overwhelming even
liberals can no longer ignore it. This book, however, is an almost
comical attempt by a liberal to try to reconcile the power of heredity
with liberal positions that are fatally undermined by it.
I suspect that the Watson-Skinner conviction that environment controls
everything first foundered on sex differences. Many people understand
that the failure of liberals and feminists to erase sex differences
must mean there is a biological basis for them. It is more difficult
for people to accept similar reasons for the clearly different social
outcomes for racial and other groups, but that will come.
Q. What policies should be adopted to solve or at least mitigate some
of America's current race problems?
I have always recommended only two policies: an end to mass
immigration, and the abolition of anti-discrimination laws. The
population of the United States is increasing like that of a Third
World country, mostly because of immigration. 90% of immigrants are
unassimilable minorities who will bring divisiveness and tension.
Population increase will also strain environment and infrastructure.
There were 125 million Americans in 1945, and no one thought the
country under-populated. There are now about 290 million of us, with
about half a billion expected by 2070 or so. Ending immigration would
stop this mad expansion.
As for anti-discrimination laws, private citizens should have the
right to choose employees, schoolmates, or neighbours for good
reasons, bad reasons or no reason at all - just as they choose their
spouses.
Q. There is increasing interest in `immigration reform' within
Republican circles. What do you think of these various initiatives?
And what do you think of Ralph Nader's new-found interest in
immigration?
Among Republicans, aside from the invaluable efforts of Congressman
Tom Tancredo (R.) of Colorado, `immigration reform' amounts to nothing
more than common-sense resistance to President Bush's amnesty plan for
illegal immigrants. Ralph Nader seems to oppose immigration mainly
because it depresses wages for poor blacks. Indeed it does, and I
support all restrictionists, whatever their reasoning.
Q. AR has, inevitably, been denounced by the ultra-Left Southern
Poverty Law Center as a "hate group". But what is the attitude of
American conservatives - not just towards AR specifically, but also on
race differences more generally?
I don't think it is possible to give a comprehensive answer. Even
among `conservatives' (a term sadly in search of a meaning), there is
much resistance to a realistic understanding of race. If they were
sure their words would never be repeated, I suspect perhaps 50% of the
people who vote Republican would either acknowledge racial differences
or, though bothered by the thought, accept them as a possibility. Of
this number, only a handful are willing to take a public position on
race that differs substantially from that of Democrats.
Q. Has there been a discernible change in US conservative attitudes on
race in recent decades? What has caused this?
"Recent decades" is a stretchy formulation. If it includes the 1950s,
National Review wrote very sensibly on race. Its positions were little
different from those of American Renaissance today. During the 1960s,
'70s, and '80s there was a massive retreat from commonsense. Since
that time there has been a very slow recovery, but at nothing like the
pace of the rout. Egalitarian dogma rules America, just as it does
Britain, and dissent is still dangerous and disagreeable.
Q. Does modern genetic science complement traditional conservative or
religious thinking about human nature? If so, how?
I think it complements traditional conservatism almost across the
board. Both traditional conservatives and (the more outspoken)
evolutionary biologists agree on the following: Men and women differ
in temperament and ability. People are born with distinctive traits
not easily changed by society. Race and race differences are real.
People are tribal, and do not easily feel loyalty to humanity at
large.
Even more fundamentally, both sides agree that there is such a thing
as human nature and it is folly to try to remake man. An acceptance of
this premise would have forestalled not just the calamity of communism
but virtually every liberal project since the French Revolution.
Horror upon horror has been committed in the name of perfecting man.
Conservatives - and now students of the power of genetics - accept
that many of our faults cannot be corrected, and that societies that
accept these faults are far more successful than those that try to
wish them away or forcibly extirpate them.
Selfishness is a good example. Capitalism recognizes that self-
interest is the most powerful engine of economic progress.
Collectivism fails because it pretends self-interest can be overcome.
Some day there will be equal acceptance of man's tribal nature, and
governments will stop thinking it somehow a virtue to force citizens
to live with people utterly unlike themselves.
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Jared Taylor - a brief CV
Born: 1951.
Education: 1973 - BA, Philosophy, Yale University; 1978 - MA,
International Economics, Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris
For further information about American Renaissance
http://www.amren.com./
From Right Now! August-September 2004
http://www.right-now.org/
Neville Duguid
<news:QMO2APFX38...@anonymous.poster> :
> Ralph Nader seems to oppose immigration mainly
> because it depresses wages for poor blacks. Indeed it does, and I
> support all restrictionists, whatever their reasoning.
What goes around comes around it seems. There we have Ralph Nader,
anti-establishment champion of the 1970s, opposing large-scale
immigration because of the way it keeps blacks at the bottom of the food
chain in America. Which is precisely the same reason I have long been
saying immigration for immigration's sake keeps Indigenous Australian
economic advancement perpetually deferred as one of the few undeniable
constants of Australian history.
But, now that Ralphy is saying something similar in America, perhaps we
Aussies who in 50 years time will be retrospectively blamed for allowing
it to happen, will finally be allowed to voice our misgivings about the
undesirable side-efffects of Australia's booming immigration industry
without being branded "bigots" and "racists" because of our legitimate
and reasonable concerns.
Seppo Renfors
Neville Duguid wrote:
Nev STOP cross posting your RACIST WHITE POWER CRAP to aus.history -
it has NO PLACE there. Keep your racist garbage in the snake pit of
POLITICS with the other Nazis.
--
SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
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Neville Duguid
> Neville Duguid wrote:
>
> Nev STOP cross posting your RACIST WHITE POWER CRAP to aus.history -
> it has NO PLACE there. Keep your racist garbage in the snake pit of
> POLITICS with the other Nazis.
Seppo's at it again. Australian history is re-badged "RACIST WHITE POWER
CRAP" if it doesn't accord with the Book of Common Fare as prescribed
for the rest of us by Dr Seppo Renfors.
FYI the aus.history charter is permanently displayed at:
http://aus.news-admin.org/cgi-bin/voteinfo?newsgroup=aus.history
It specifically includes the following in the list of example topics
aus.history was designed to facilitate:
. Australia: Pre-European settlement
. The process of European settlement
. Aboriginal/European relations
. Post war social change and immigration.
. Australian social, political and economic evolution.
. Historical revisionism
. Discussion on the nature of Australian history, warts and all.
So, what does Seppo do? He checks if it's from one of his Politically
Correct thought police cronies, and if it's not, he shots it over the
wall into aus.politics, ragardless of its appropriateness to
aus.history.
Aus.history subscribers should ask themselves why would someone like
Seppo Renfors, who is more intent on diverting discussions of Australian
history to other newsgroups, even bother subscribing since he shows no
interest on those rare occasions when someone actually posts something
relevant to aus history there.
> > Colin Jones <cjo...@nospam.com> quoting Jared Taylor in
> > <news:QMO2APFX38...@anonymous.poster> :
> >
> > > Ralph Nader seems to oppose immigration mainly
> > > because it depresses wages for poor blacks. Indeed it does, and I
> > > support all restrictionists, whatever their reasoning.
> >
> > What goes around comes around it seems. There we have Ralph Nader,
> > anti-establishment champion of the 1970s, opposing large-scale
> > immigration because of the way it keeps blacks at the bottom of the food
> > chain in America. Which is precisely the same reason I have long been
> > saying immigration for immigration's sake keeps Indigenous Australian
> > economic advancement perpetually deferred as one of the few undeniable
> > constants of Australian history.
> >
> > But, now that Ralphy is saying something similar in America, perhaps we
> > Aussies who in 50 years time will be retrospectively blamed for allowing
> > it to happen, will finally be allowed to voice our misgivings about the
> > undesirable side-efffects of Australia's booming immigration industry
> > without being branded "bigots" and "racists" because of our legitimate
> > and reasonable concerns for all Australians.
Seppo Renfors
Neville Duguid wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Neville Duguid wrote:
> >
> > Nev STOP cross posting your RACIST WHITE POWER CRAP to aus.history -
> > it has NO PLACE there. Keep your racist garbage in the snake pit of
> > POLITICS with the other Nazis.
>
> Seppo's at it again. Australian history
You are a lying scoundrel - your delusions are getting really severe -
claiming the YANK White Power publication "American Renaissance" is
"aussie history". Piss off and sign yourself into a loony bin for
treatment!
> is re-badged "RACIST WHITE POWER
> CRAP" if it doesn't accord with the Book of Common Fare as prescribed
> for the rest of us by Dr Seppo Renfors.
YOU don't post about history, only your ever more off the planet white
power crap! Keep the RACIST garbage in the correct forum... some pro
Nazi groups or at the very least a POLITICS group.
Neville Duguid
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> >
> > Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > >
> > > Nev STOP cross posting your RACIST WHITE POWER CRAP to aus.history -
> > > it has NO PLACE there. Keep your racist garbage in the snake pit of
> > > POLITICS with the other Nazis.
> >
> > Seppo's at it again. Australian history
>
> You are a lying scoundrel - your delusions are getting really severe -
> claiming the YANK White Power publication "American Renaissance" is
> "aussie history". Piss off and sign yourself into a loony bin for
> treatment!
I made a comment about Ralph Nader because I found it strange that no
one else could be bothered doing so. Don't you remember Nader's Raiders?
Their leader was the 1970s equivalent of what Michael Moore has become
today. I found his more recent comments relevant to Australian history
also, and dared to explain why. I said nothing about "American
Renaissance". You've got to stop imagining everyone else shares your
inadequately disguised obsessions.
Closer to home, and on a similar topic, I can't help also wonder why
those who spent years wailing over Eddy Mabo, have not shown the
slightest interest in the people of other Torres Strait islands finally
having their traditional landholdings recognized by the Queensland
government in a similar way.
Neville Duguid (that's me) recommended this on 8-Apr-1999 in message
news:1dpy6sd.rp...@dialup-m1-25.brisbane.netspace.net.au
: I see it as more an act of negligence than anything else
: by the Queensland government that Murray Island had never been
: surveyed and title deeds issued to the traditional landowners long
: ago).
Seppo will of course find that offensive. But only because he didn't
come out with it first, and his predictions rarely come to pass the way
mine tend to with a slow but certain inevitability. (The explanation is
simple: I know and understand the Aussie people in a way that clearly
Seppo does not).
Check out the brief recent news item which no one seems to have have
started making a fuss about in the absence of a directive from
Rent-A-Crowd HQ see:
"Agreement reached over islands' native title" 27-Oct-2004
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1228689.htm
To my mind, your total lack of interest demonstrates that all the noise
you made the time Murray Island (Mer) was in the news for similar
reasons did not demonstrate any *genuine* interest on your part, but
merely an eager response to an opportunity to make a lot of noise about
anything-will-do. If your interest in the welfare of the native
inhabitants of those islands was genuine the first time round, how come
it is missing now?
> > is re-badged "RACIST WHITE POWER
> > CRAP" if it doesn't accord with the Book of Common Fare as prescribed
> > for the rest of us by Dr Seppo Renfors.
>
> YOU don't post about history, only your ever more off the planet white
> power crap! Keep the RACIST garbage in the correct forum... some pro
> Nazi groups or at the very least a POLITICS group.
Crap. You are not even talking to the guy in your mirror. You are
talking at the empty space inside your head. You cannot be talking to
me, for I never even mentioned the horde of "white power RACISTS" who
seem to follow you in your imagination regardless of where you are or
where you go.
Mylorace
>Correct thought police cronies, and if it's not, he shots it over the
>wall into aus.politics,
Just read prof Blaimies " History of Australia " He has it as it was , no
political correctness, no revisionism, just the facts as they are, some schools
won't have it in the library, fortunately the better ones do.
Neville Duguid
And there is also aus.history, ostensibly for discussing Australian
history with others who find the topic interesting - if only
Foot-in-the-door Renfors didn't act like he owns the place and wants it
preserved in silence for the day he might become interested enough to
resume his efforts to revise it.
Seppo Renfors
Neville Duguid wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > >
> > > Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nev STOP cross posting your RACIST WHITE POWER CRAP to aus.history -
> > > > it has NO PLACE there. Keep your racist garbage in the snake pit of
> > > > POLITICS with the other Nazis.
> > >
> > > Seppo's at it again. Australian history
> >
> > You are a lying scoundrel - your delusions are getting really severe -
> > claiming the YANK White Power publication "American Renaissance" is
> > "aussie history". Piss off and sign yourself into a loony bin for
> > treatment!
>
> I made a comment about Ralph Nader because I found it strange that no
> one else could be bothered doing so. Don't you remember Nader's Raiders?
As I said - this is MODERN YANK POLITICS - racist politics you are
banging on about (Ralph Nader is a Yank you know - a CURRENT
presidential candidate without a hope in hell of winning) - it is
completely OFF TOPIC as far as history goes - Take it to a more
appropriate group as I have already said - eg something like
alt.fan.nazi!! Don't pollute every bloody group with your racist crud!
Neville Duguid
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> >
> > Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Seppo Renfors <Ren...@not.com.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Nev STOP cross posting your RACIST WHITE POWER CRAP to aus.history -
> > > > > it has NO PLACE there. Keep your racist garbage in the snake pit of
> > > > > POLITICS with the other Nazis.
> > > >
> > > > Seppo's at it again. Australian history
> > >
> > > You are a lying scoundrel - your delusions are getting really severe -
> > > claiming the YANK White Power publication "American Renaissance" is
> > > "aussie history". Piss off and sign yourself into a loony bin for
> > > treatment!
> >
> > I made a comment about Ralph Nader because I found it strange that no
> > one else could be bothered doing so. Don't you remember Nader's Raiders?
>
> As I said - this is MODERN YANK POLITICS - racist politics you are
> banging on about (Ralph Nader is a Yank you know - a CURRENT
> presidential candidate without a hope in hell of winning) - it is
> completely OFF TOPIC as far as history goes - Take it to a more
> appropriate group as I have already said - eg something like
> alt.fan.nazi!! Don't pollute every bloody group with your racist crud!
Says seppo as he piously quotes the two lines that could be misconstrued
that way when taken out of context and snips the 30-odd lines which are
quite unambiguously on-topic to aus.history.
Never mind, one good turn deserves another:
Quoting from a followup to thread
"Imagine 100,000 dead Australians":
" Imagine 100,000 dead Australians
It's easy if you try.
Seppo does it all the time
And there's a reason why.
Such wishful foreign fantasies
On True-blues jar and grate.
But what makes Aussies' blood run cold
Helps Sepppo masturbate.
Most of us love to love
But there are those who hate
We who gave them sustenance
While others locked their gates.
Is Seppo then the lesson
The rest of us have learned:
When reffos rap upon our door,
Leave the latch unturned.
"
Seppo Renfors
That should be "Blainey", Professor Geoffrey Blainey.
http://www.saxton.com.au/default.asp?nc8=4&sc8=139&sd8=18
http://www.abc.net.au/tasmania/stories/s963456.htm
DINGO
>
> Mylorace wrote:
>
>>>So, what does Seppo do? He checks if it's from one of his Politically
>>>Correct thought police cronies, and if it's not, he shots it over the
>>>wall into aus.politics,
>>
>>Just read prof Blaimies " History of Australia " He has it as it was , no
>>political correctness, no revisionism, just the facts as they are, some schools
>>won't have it in the library, fortunately the better ones do.
>
>
> That should be "Blainey", Professor Geoffrey Blainey.
> http://www.saxton.com.au/default.asp?nc8=4&sc8=139&sd8=18
> http://www.abc.net.au/tasmania/stories/s963456.htm
>
[MULTICULTURALISM IN ACTION - REID ELECTORATE]
A woman in Lidcombe last year was told she'd have her house burnt down
if she put up Christmas decorations.
A man who had offensive anti-Australian slogans daubed on his fence was
told by police he should simply move.
On the night of September 11th 2001 a stolen car was torched on the
roundabout at intersection of Chiswick and Cumberland steets in
celebration.
Seppo Renfors
Neville Duguid wrote:
>
Fuck off idiot - back to your cesspit of racism!