Culture Drives Genetic Mix
Baraholka
This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will not.
I would like to postulate that there is a race of people called
"Han Chinese".
Here are their genetic traits:
Slopey eyes
Yellow skin
Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
Black Hair
I think that constitues a sterotypical genetic Chinese.
Strewth - Hang On - that also sounds uncannily like a Vietnamese!
and a Thai and a Burmese and a Lao and a Uighur
and a Dong and a Korean (excpt that some Koreans are tall gawd it gets
difficult)
and a Kyrgyz and a Mongol and a ..well you get the picture!
I guess it can't be done.
"Race" cannot be descibed genetically.
Well posted and argued fasgnadh!
- Baraholka
>"Ned Latham" <nen...@news.apex.met.au> wrote in message
>news:slrnb6lk87....@arthur.valhalla.oz...
>> fasgnadh wrote
>> > Ned Latham wrote:
>> > > "Someone New" wrote:
>> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
>> > > > > Ned Lithium wrote:
>> > > > > > "Someone New" wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----snip----
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > Probably you would get the best start in this field of knowledge
>> > > > > > > if you commenced by reading Dr John R Baker's book, "Race",
>> > > > > > > published by Oxford University Press.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And after reading that book you can't even enummerate how many
>> > > > > > races there are and answer a simple question about their
>> > > > > > defining characteristics?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And after reading Dr Les Christidis you can't "enumerate" how many
>> > > > > "populations around the world carry their own unique genetic
>> > > > > fingerprints" or answer the same simple question about their
>> > > > > characteristics.
>> > > >
>> > > > The opposition to the idea of identifiable races is political.
>> >
>> > Thanks for telling all those who are waiting in vain for you to
>> > provide some, ANY, scientifically based identification the reason
>> > for your opposition to doing so.
>
>The failure to provide any evidence shows you have a mere belief,
>not a scientific theory, and your abuse of scientests with political
>references such as "PC" further demonstrates the claim that 'race'
>is political.
>
>> >
>> > Your failure to identify, name, or describe the genetic distinctions
>> > between them shows that your beliefs are political.
>>
>> That's the failure of your PC junky source, Dr Les Christidis.
>>
>
>That is false logic, he denies the existance of more than one race,
>thus they CANNOT be named.
>
>You claim there are 'races' but are unable to name or define them! B^D
>
>The ball is not only in your court, it has bounced twice..
>you have lost match point.
>
>> > > Of course. None but a PC junky could be so stupid as to admit
>> > > that "populations around the world carry their own unique genetic
>> > > fingerprints",
>> >
>> > polulations of black haired people around the world carry
>> > their own unique genetic fingerprints.
>> >
>> > It's the specific and unique gene for hair colour.
>>
>> Get a clue, moron. Race is a more subtle concept than hair colour.
>
>
>You just claimed that the existance of populations
>with 'unique genetic fingerprints' was conclusive proof
>that 'races' exist, and the scientists were PC junkies
>for failing to admit it!
>But the first example of such a unique fingerprint, far from
>supporting your 'race' argument, is IRRELEVANT to it,
>and we witness you floundering and blathering that it really
>isn't obvious to everyone but PC scientists, but 'more subtle'
>than that! B^D
>
>
>So subtle you can't describe it!! B^D BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
>
>Then it is a useless and unscientific category.
>
>> Or any other single trait for that matter.
>
>There is nothing stopping you from listing the traits,
>you don't because you can't.
>
>And when the only evidence of traits demolishes your point,
>you claim it's all too 'subtle' for you to understand or explain!
>
>try alt.voodoo.superstitious.assertions.taken.on.faith B^D
>
>>
>> > > then say there's no scientific basis for the concept
>> > > of race.
>> >
>> > Well unless you admit that Spaniards and Vietnamese are one 'race'
>> > ( the Human race )
>>
>> Wrong again, moron: they're members of the one species.
>>
>
>So, you are forced to admit that we have just seen "Populations
>around the world carry(ing) their own unique genetic fingerprints"
>which DO NOT mean race!
>
>B^)
>
>My My, you doo look incredibly foolish!
>
>It's one of those classics where, on the basis of your
>own idiotic incomprehension, you slag a scientists perfectly
>logical and reasonable statement, and then have your
>irrational bullshit stuffed up your arse! B^D
>
>Wot fun, eh! B^D
>
>
>> > you have some trouble explaining how they
>> > both express black hair,
>>
>> Larf. It's a trait they have in common. BFD. They also have traits
>> they don't have in common.
>
>Duh, otherwise everone would be IDENTICAL!
>
>So, the scientists have shown unique genetic traits produce
>traits, such as black hair, and you are forced to admit
>that DOESN't prove race, as you claimed it did!
>
>Done to a crisp! (But of course only the audience, not you,
>will realise and acknowledge what happened. B^)
>
>>
>> > due to the 'unique genetic fingerprint'
>>
>> As with fingerprint analysis, if DNA analysis is to be scientific, it
>> has to look at the whole picture, not just one feature at a time (or
>> a few features at a time).
>
>Ah-hem. YOU claimed;
>
>"None but a PC junky could be so stupid as to admit
>that "populations around the world carry their own unique genetic
>fingerprints", then say there's no scientific basis for the concept
>of race."
>
>Black hair is a trait linked to a unique genetic fingerprint.
>
>It doesn't prove a scientific basis for 'race'.
>
>Your argument is demolished.
>
>So far it's all you have offered, ad hom and bullshit.
>You have not provided even a definition of 'race', named them
>or told us how many there are, let alone submitted a single
>shred of evidence showing unique genetic fingerprints for 'race'.
>
>Your idea of science, baseless assertion, is a joke.
>No wonder you are a racist.
k...@kymhorsell.com
[...]
> Here are their genetic traits:
> Slopey eyes
> Yellow skin
> Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
> Black Hair
Unfortunately, these are merely traits of the phenotype.
Please name appropriate genes, if known. ;-)
Cruel Parody:
Non-Theorem:
Constellations of stars are real and scientifically based.
Non-Proof:
I am thinking of a constellation that has 3 red stars and 4
brighter-than-average stars.
Non-QED.
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brian green
wrote:
>fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
>
>
>This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
>and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
>Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
>views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
>
>I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will not.
>
>I would like to postulate that there is a race of people called
>"Han Chinese".
>
>Here are their genetic traits:
>
>Slopey eyes
>Yellow skin
>Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
>Black Hair
>
>I think that constitues a sterotypical genetic Chinese.
>
>Strewth - Hang On - that also sounds uncannily like a Vietnamese!
>and a Thai and a Burmese and a Lao and a Uighur
>and a Dong and a Korean (excpt that some Koreans are tall gawd it gets
>difficult)
>and a Kyrgyz and a Mongol and a ..well you get the picture!
>
>I guess it can't be done.
>"Race" cannot be descibed genetically.
>
>Well posted and argued fasgnadh!
But wait ! there's more ! fagnuts and his bunch of misogynist left
wing looney neurotics are constantly calling white people 'racist'
(never non-whites of course).
Now ... how do you and the other loonies propose that those you call
'racists' are discriminating against people on the basis of 'race'
when according to you 'race' does not exist?
And of course ... why is it that according to you left wing loonies it
is only white people who can be 'racist' ? are you selecting a group
of people based on their race while you attempt to promote the view
that there is no 'race' outside this racial group you have selected
for special attention?
Seems like the usual misogynist left wing looney racism to me.
The Enlightenment
"Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Self Praise is No Praise.
Here is some info for you:
You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
using DNA technology.
http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct?
<http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html>
STATEMENT ON RACE AS A BIOLOGICAL CONCEPT
Understanding the Techniques of Race Denial:
"Race: Reality and Denial; Richard McCulloch"
http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no4/rm-race.html>
A common tactic of race deniers is to demand proof of the reality of
race, without setting a standard of what constitutes sufficient proof.
Their standards of proof are artificially too high. This is related
to their avoidance of an objective or accurate definition of race.
That's a standard debating technique known as the Bald Man Fallacy.
We can all tell the difference between a man who has no hair on his
head and a man with a full head of hair. However, it's not possible
to
stipulate exactly how many hairs the second man must lose before
everyone will agree he is bald.
Those who pretend that humans have no racial differences demand a
similarly impossible exactitude of definition. In this way, they hope
to stifle debate.
A gene on allele 5 chromosome 6 has even been discovered that
correlates 4
points to IQ.
http://www.sciencenet.emory.edu/mismeasure/genius/research03.html
Philip Rustons "Race Evolution Behaviour". It is a 500 page book but
a free
50 page abridged edition in .pdf format is available from this page
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html
Or directly from:
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
Understanding talk about genetic variation and race.
http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/straw_man_of_race.htm
Race Denial Costs Lives
By Sam Francis
http://www.vdare.com/francis/pseudo.htm
(Original article extensively hyperlinked to original sources)
> and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
> Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
Cop this pompous arse:
You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
using DNA technology.
http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
>
> I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will
not.
>
> I would like to postulate that there is a race of people called
> "Han Chinese".
>
> Here are their genetic traits:
>
> Slopey eyes
> Yellow skin
> Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
> Black Hair
>
> I think that constitues a sterotypical genetic Chinese.
>
> Strewth - Hang On - that also sounds uncannily like a Vietnamese!
> and a Thai and a Burmese and a Lao and a Uighur
> and a Dong and a Korean (excpt that some Koreans are tall gawd it
gets
> difficult)
> and a Kyrgyz and a Mongol and a ..well you get the picture!
>
> I guess it can't be done.
> "Race" cannot be descibed genetically.
>
> Well posted and argued fasgnadh!
>
> - Baraholka
I've left the above shyte to show how pathetic Barholka/Fasgnadh is.
The Enlightenment
news:3f9f90f8...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:15:13 GMT, Baraholka <wo...@placename.com>
> wrote:
>
> >fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> >
> >
> >This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> >and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
SNIP
>
> But wait ! there's more ! fagnuts and his bunch of misogynist left
> wing looney neurotics are constantly calling white people 'racist'
> (never non-whites of course).
>
You might find this website "Resisting Defamation" which lists the
various forms of anti-White racism tactics used by haters like
Fasgnadh. (Fasgnadh is a mullato I believe)
http://www.resistingdefamation.org/
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"A great many sins disappear when one becomes an "anti-racist"
activist. Lives that would ordinarily be insignificant become
important; hostility, contempt and hatred becomes reframed as moral
outrage; and one has a delicious repertoire of epithets to use against
critics and skeptics. As an "anti-racist" crusader, one can do things
and say things to other human beings that would be out of the question
otherwise and not only get away with them, but receive praise for them
as well."
-- Laird Wilcox, excerpted from The Watchdogs: A Close Look at
Anti-racist "Watchdog" Groups. Also author of Crying Wolf: Hate Crime
Hoaxes in America.
***************************************
Hate Speech
http://www.amren.com/antiwht.htm
Samuel Lin (Asian student at the University of California at Berkeley
on
what should be done about white men who date Asian women) - "I think
we
should f---in' kill them all. Get your own ladies. Stick to your own
flavor." [Carrie Chang, "White Light," Monolid Magazine, Vol. 2, No.
1.]
Carrie Chang (writer for Monolid Magazine on an Asian friend who dated
white
men) - "Suffice it to say, she was not the only Asian woman I had met
with a
hankering for Mr. Mayonnaise or marshmallow face." [Carrie Chang,
"White
Light," Monolid Magazine, Vol. 2, No. 1.]
Donna Lamb (member of 'Caucasians United for Reparations and
Emancipation') - "Knowing what I know about what my people did, I
wouldn't
be able to respect myself if I weren't doing everything I can to have
.
white people face up to this crime we committed and to right this
great
wrong." [Manny Fernandez, Thousands To Rally for Reparations Apology
Also
Sought For Slave Descendants, Washington Post, August 16, 2002]
David Roediger (social historian at the University of Minnesota) -
"Whiteness is the empty and therefore terrifying attempt to build an
identity on what one isn't, and on whom one can hold back." [The
Social
Contract, A Europhobia Sampler, Summer 1998, p. 290.]
Grace Watkins (black 18-year-old New Yorker on two policemen killed in
a
shootout at the Stapleton Houses project where she lives): "I think a
lot of
people out here weren't worried about [the killings] because they
thought
they were white cops. But when they heard the cops were black, they're
attitude changed totally. And they started expressing concern for the
police
officers' families." [Douglas Montero, "Surprising Sympathy Dawns in
Projects," New York Post, March 12, 2003.] (added 3/14/03)
Charles Barron (New York City Councilman, on the subject of
reparations for
slavery) -- "I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You
can't
understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my
mental
health." [Deroy Murdock, "Dems Need to Houseclean" National Review
Online,
January 6, 2003.] (added 2/05/03)
Sharpe James (mayor of Newark, New Jersey referring to his
light-skinned
black opponent in the 2002 Democratic primary) -- "the faggot white
boy."
[Deroy Murdock, "Dems Need to Houseclean" National Review Online,
January 6,
2003.] (added 2/05/03)
Willie Brown (then-California assembly speaker, after a 1995 victory
over
Republicans in a leadership battle) -- "The white boys got taken fair
and
square." When asked by ABC correspondent Judd Rose if he regretted
that
comment, Mr. Brown replied, "It was an adequate and accurate
description of
a collection of people who had been defeated on this occasion." [Deroy
Murdock, "Dems Need to Houseclean" National Review Online, January 6,
2003.]
(added 2/05/03)
Noel Ignatiev (white Harvard professor and editor of "Race Traitor"
magazine) -- "Keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones,
and the
females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is
destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed." [Robert Boatman, "Trent
Lott's
of the Left," Frontpagemag.com (online), January 3, 2003.] (added
2/05/03)
Donna Brazile (Director of Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign) -- "A
white-boy attitude is 'I must exclude, denigrate and leave behind.' "
[Robin
Givhan, Clearing the Decks at Gore Headquarters, Washington Post, Nov.
16,
1999, p. C1.] (added 2/05/03)
Nathan McCall (journalist for the Washington Post in his autobiography
"Makes Me Wanna Holler") -- "The fellas and I were hanging out on our
corner
one afternoon when the strangest thing happened. A white boy . came
pedaling
a bicycle casually through the neighborhood. . Somebody spotted him
and
pointed him out to the rest of us. 'Look! What's that motherfucka
doin'
ridin' through here?! Is he crraaaazy?!' . We caught him on Cavalier
Boulevard and knocked him off the bike. . Ignoring the passing cars,
we
stomped him and kicked him. My stick partners kicked him in the head
and
face and watched the blood gush from his mouth. I kicked him in the
stomach
and nuts, where I knew it would hurt. Every time I drove my foot into
his
balls, I felt better . one dude kept stomping, like he'd gone berserk
. When
he finished, he reached down and picked up the white dude's bike,
lifted it
as high as he could above his head, and slammed it down on him hard. .
We
walked away, laughing, boasting, competing for bragging rights about
who'd
done the most damage." [Nathan McCall, Makes Me Wanna Holler: A Young
Black
Man in America, Random House, 1993, p. 3.] (added 2/05/03)
Robin Morgan (white author) -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport
disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at
the
price of others' agony. If I could peel myself inside out I would be
glad.
If I could become part of the oppressed I would be free." [Robert
Boatman,
"Trent Lott's of the Left," Frontpagemag.com (online), January 3,
2003.]
(added 2/05/03)
Spike Lee (film director) -- "When talking about the history of this
great
country, one can never forget that America was built upon the genocide
of
Native Americans and enslavement of African people. To say otherwise
is
criminal." [Lee Gives 'The Patriot' a Thumbs-Down, Los Angeles Times,
July
7, 2000, p. F2.] (added 2/05/03)
Spike Lee (film director) -- "I'm convinced AIDS is a
government-engineered
disease. They got one thing wrong, they never realized it couldn't
just be
contained to the groups it was intended to wipe out. So, now it's a
national
priority. Exactly like drugs when they escaped the urban centers into
white
suburbia." [Janet Braunstein, "Spike's Message Obscured," Detroit Free
Press, Nov. 9, 1992, p. 4F.] (added 2/05/03)
George P. Bush (son of Florida Governor Jeb Bush and his Mexican-born
wife
Columba, and nephew of the President speaking to a gathering of
Hispanics) -- ". . . we have to fight for our race, we have to find
the
leaders who represent us."[Reuters, Aug. 2, 2000.] (added 2/05/03)
Marcus Jacoby (the only white on the historically black Southern
University
football team from 1996 to 1998) -- "I heard the entire stadium booing
me.
Fans were yelling 'Get the white boy out.' " Mr. Jacoby left the team
because of repeated death threats. [Ira Berkow, Race: "Keeping Score
in
Louisiana," The Oregonian, Aug. 1, 2000, p. A6.] (added 2/05/03)
Ann Rhodes (University Relations Vice President at the University of
Iowa
speaking after it was discovered a black woman staged a phony hate
crime) --
"I figured it was going to be a white guy between 25 and 55 because
they're
the root of most evil." [Greg Smith, "Black Student Arrested in Racist
Threats at Iowa Dental School," AP, April 20, 2000. Scott Hogenson,
"College
Official Calls White Men 'Root of Most Evil,'" CNSNews.com, April 21,
2000.]
(added 2/05/03)
Ice Cube (black rap musician) -- "Ice Cube wishes to acknowledge white
America's continued commitment to the silence and oppression of black
men. .
. . White America needs to thank black people for still talkin' to
them
'cause you know what happens when we stop." [pamphlet included in his
1992
album The Predator.] (added 2/05/03)
Randall Robinson (black race activist and head of TransAfrica, a group
that
promotes racial solidarity between black Africans and black
Americans) --
"In the autumn of my life, I am left regarding white people, before
knowing
them individually, with irreducible mistrust and dull dislike."
[Randall
Robinson, Defending the Spirit: A Black Life in America, 1998,
p.xiii.]
(added 2/05/03)
Randall Robinson (black race activist and head of TransAfrica, a group
that
promotes racial solidarity between black Africans and black
Americans) --
"My father died in 1974 at the age of sixty-eight, of what the family
now
believes to have been Alzheimer's disease. Toward the end, and not
lucid, he
slapped a nurse, telling her not to 'put her white hands on him.' His
illness had afforded him one final brief honesty. I was perversely
pleased
when told the story." [Randall Robinson, Defending the Spirit: A Black
Life
in America, 1998, p.xiii.] (added 2/05/03)
Frances Cress Welsing (black psychiatrist) --"White male homosexuality
may
be viewed as the symbolic attempt to incorporate into the white male
body
more male substance by either sucking the penis of another male and
orally
ingesting the semen, or by having male ejaculate deposited in the
other end
of the alimentary canal. Through anal intercourse, the self-debasing
white
male may fantasize that he can produce a product of color, albeit that
the
product of color is fecal matter." [Frances Cress Welsing, The Isis
Papers:
The Keys to the Colors, Third World Press, 1991, p. 47.] (added
2/05/03)
Frances Cress Welsing (black psychiatrist) -- "On both St.
Vanlentine's Day
and Mother's Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with
nuts. .
. . If his sweetheart ingests 'chocolate with nuts,' the white male
can
fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male." [Frances
Cress
Welsing, The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors, Third World Press,
1991,
p. 76.] (added 2/05/03)
Frances Cress Welsing (black psychiatrist) -- "Is it not also curious
that
when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the
large
brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically
resign
themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their
focus
then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in
disgust
and resignation -- in full final realization of white genetic
recisiveness."
[Frances Cress Welsing, The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors, Third
World
Press, 1991, p. 141.] (added 2/05/03)
Chancellor Williams (Afrocentrist and author of The Destruction of
Black
Civilization) -- "The necessary re-education of Blacks and a possible
solution of the racial crisis can begin . . . only when Blacks fully
realize
this central fact to their lives: the white man is their Bitter
Enemy."
[Phil Collier and David Horowitz, The Race Card, 1997, p. 104.] (added
2/05/03)
Elizabeth Smith (Texaco vice president for investor relations) --
"White
males are only hired by default," [Jon E. Dougherty, "White Males Need
Not
Apply at Texaco," WorldNetDaily.com, March 31, 1999.] (added 2/05/03)
Carol Moseley Braun (former U.S. Senator responding to a column by
George
Will on her many financial scandals) -- "I think because he couldn't
say
'nigger' he used the word 'corrupt.' George Will can just take off his
hood
and go back to wherever he came from." [George Will, Moseley-Braun May
Find
Defeat, Chicago Sun-Times, Sept. 7, 1998, p. 19. Scott Fornek,
Moseley-Braun
Writes Apology, Chicago Sun-Times, Sept. 9, 1998, p. 24.] (added
2/05/03)
Rodolfo Acuna (professor of Chicano studies at Cal State Northridge)
"There's a growing feeling 'Why should we pay for all these senior
citizens'
if the majority of them are white and all they were willing to pay for
was
prisons?" [Jonathan Tilove, Generation Gap Becoming Racial Gap, San
Francisco Examiner, Nov. 23, 1997, p. A17.] (added 2/05/03)
Stephen Klineberg (Rice University sociologist on the defeat of a
ballot
initiative in Houston that would have outlawed affirmative action) "I
think
this shows that Houston has transcended its redneck Southern past and
is
recognizing its destiny as a multiethnic, international city in a
global
economy." [Jesse Katz, Houston Thinks Globally in OK of Affirmative
Action,
Los Angeles Times, Nov. 6, 1997, p. A14.] (added 2/05/03)
Amiri Baraka (poet laureate of the state of New Jersey) -- "Come up,
black
dada nihilismus. Rape the white girls. Rape their fathers. Cut the
mothers'
throats." [from "Black Dada Nihilismus".] (added 2/05/03)
Amiri Baraka (poet laureate of the state of New Jersey) "When I die,
the
consciousness I carry I will to black people. May they pick me apart
and
take the useful parts, the sweet meat of my feelings. And leave the
bitter
bullshit rotten white parts alone. (from his classic "Leroy") [John
McAlpin,
"NJ Gov. Seeks Authority to Fire Poet," AP, Oct. 6, 2002.] (added
2/05/03)
Robert Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe who is taking the land of white
farmers
and revoking their citizenship) -- "Our party must continue to strike
fear
in the heart of the white man, our real enemy!" [J.T. Young,
"Zimbabwean
double standard," Washington Times, January 14, 2003, p. A15.] (added
2/05/03)
Robert Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe who is taking the land of white
farmers
and revoking their citizenship) -- "Zimbabwe is for black people not
white
people." ["Zimbabwe 'Votes' " American Renaissance, April 2002, p. 9.]
(added 2/05/03)
John Street (black mayor of Philadelphia) -- "Let me tell you: The
brothers
and sisters are running this city. Oh yes. The brothers and sisters
are
running this city. Running it! Don't let nobody fool you; we are in
charge
of the City of Brotherly Love. We are in charge! We are in charge!
[Cynthia
Burton, "Street Talk Hits a Nerve on Race," Philadelphia Inquirer,
April 17,
2002, p. A1.] (added 2/05/03)
Harris Sussman (white "diversity consultant," in a front-page article
in
Managing Diversity, a publication subscribed to by U.S. government
agencies) -- "When we say 'white people,' we mean the people of greed
who
valued things over people, who value money over people. We know
exactly what
their values are and where they lead. We have all paid a terrible
price for
those values . . . ." [White People, Washington Times, Feb. 13, 1997,
p.
A10.] (added 2/05/03)
William Raspberry (black columnist)- "It is hard to think of
whites-only
groups formed for the benefit of their members that could gain our
approval.
Perhaps an organization of white LA police officers formed to help its
members improve their attitudes towards minorities . . . . It's always
illegitimate for white men to organize as white men." [William
Raspberry,
"Dubiously Exclusive," Washington Post, Nov. 24, 1995.] (added
2/05/03)
Maggie Gallagher (white columnist) -- "I hate the idea of being white.
I
never think of myself as belonging to the 'white race.' Those who do,
in my
experience, are invariably second-raters, seeking solace for their own
failures. I can think of few things more degrading than being proud to
be
white." [Maggie Gallagher, "The Rhetoric of Race," NY Post, Oct. 20,
1995,
p. 25.] (added 2/05/03)
Leonard Jeffries (chairman of the African-American studies department
of the
City College of New York, interviewed in the May, 1995 issue of
Rutherford
magazine) :
Q: But the black man is no longer a slave.
A: The slave should be waking up, thinking of ways to slit the
slavemaster's
throat. . . .
Q: What kind of world do you want to leave to your children?
A: A world in which there aren't any white people. . . .
[T.L. Stanclu & Nisha Mohammed, Leonard Jeffries Jr., Rutherford, May
1995,
p. 13.] (added 2/05/03)
Paul Mooney (black comedian) -- "White people are scared, because
minorities
are taking over. White people are worried because they can't out-f***
the
Mexicans --minorities in numbers alone are taking over, and white
folks are
scared because they are afraid that we are going to do to them exactly
what
they've done to us. And they are absolutely right. When the s*** turns
around, we are going to treat you exactly like you've treated us: like
s***."[ Danyel Smith, Full Moon, The Bay Guardian, 3/3/93.] (added
2/05/03)
Art Carey (white columnist) -- "White Guys also tend to have wide
hips, flat
butts, bulging love handles, fat guts, sunken chests, weak chins,
spindly
arms, treble voices, red necks and, after a certain age, thinning hair
or
bald heads. Some may find these anatomical peculiarities appealing,
believe
it or not . . . . Think of the most obnoxious White Guy you know.
Guess
what? He's going to croak . . . you get to watch White Guys die."[ Art
Carey, "The Great White Dopes," San Jose Mercury News, June 15, 1993.]
(added 2/05/03)
Kay Patterson (state senator in the South Carolina legislature writing
in an
invitation to black politicians) -- "Now please don't bring any of
your
'White-Friends,' this is a 'Colored' meeting."[ Patterson offers no
apology
for actions, Post and Courier (Columbia) 4/5/93, p. 3B.] (added
2/05/03)
Jocelyn Walters (journalism student at the University of Georgia in
the
campus-related paper called The Red & Black) "I'm talking to you,
white
America. You're wrong. You're evil.... Your greed is overwhelming.
Your lust
for power disgusting. The blood on your hands signifies what a demon
you
are. . . . "
"You have always thrived off of the blood and sweat of others. You
drink
them. It is your sustenance.... You make me sick! Sick with anger.
Sick with
disgust. Sick with the desire to ruin you like you have ruined so many
others . . . . [Jocelyn Walters, "Blacks Should revolt against white,
male
America," The Red and Black, Feb 15, 1993.]
Richard Parry-Jones (white vice president of Ford Motor Company) --
"we are
trapped in a monocultural environment that is dominated by old white
males.
We need to change." [AP, Ford Ties Executives Perks Pay to Merit, Dec.
24,
1999.]
Susan Sontag (white intellectual) "The truth is that Mozart, Pascal,
Boolean
Algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches,
Newton,
the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, and Ballanchine ballets don't
redeem
what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The
white race
is the cancer of human history."
Sonny Carson (black activist in New York when asked if he was
anti-Semitic)
"I am anti-white. I don't limit my 'anti' to just one group of
people."
[Mark Mooney, "Ex-Dinkins Organizer Boasts He's 'AntiWhite'" New York
Post,
October 21, 1989, p. 3.]
Miles Davis (black jazz musician) "If somebody told me I had only one
hour
to live, I'd spend it choking a white man. I'd do it nice and slow."
[Miles
Davis Can't Shake Boyhood Racial Abuse, Jet March 25, 1985.]
Eldridge Clever (former Black Panther leader on why he raped white
women)
"Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying
and
trampling upon the white man's law, upon his system of values, and
that I
was defiling his women . . . ." [Eldridge Clever, Soul on Ice,
McGraw-Hill,
1968, p.14.]
Gus Savage (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member
of the
press) "I don't talk to you white motherf*ckers. . . . You bitch
motherf*ckers in the white press. . . . F*ck you, you motherf*cking
*sshole
. . . white devils." [Marilyn Rauber, "Reporter Says Black Rep Hurled
Racial
Slurs," New York Post, June 27, 1991, p. 18.]
Chino Wilson (in an editorial in the Daily Collegian, campus newspaper
at
Penn State University) "After looking at all the evidence there is
only one
conclusion: white people are devils . . . . I believe that we must
secure
our freedom and independence from these devils by any means necessary,
including violence. . . . To protect ourselves we should bear arms
(three
handguns and two rifles, maybe an M-16) immediately and form a
militia. . .
. So black people, let us unite, organize and execute." [Chino Wilson,
"African American Students Should Not Trust 'Devilish' White People,"
The
Daily Collegian, Penn State University, January 28, 1992.]
Khalid Abdul Muhammed (former assistant to Louis Farrakhan - current
leader
of the New Black Panther Party) -'Hollywood is owned by these
so-called
Jews. Look at the movies they make about us, Black people killing
Black
people. Let's make some revolutionary movies where we kill white
people in
the movie. Kill 'em so hard you have to cover up your popcorn from the
blood
spraying out of the screen." [Speech at San Francisco State
University, May
21, 1997.]
Khalid Abdul Muhammed (on what South African blacks should do to any
whites
who refuse to leave South Africa): "We kill the women. We kill the
babies.
We kill the blind. We kill the cripples. We kill them all. . . . When
you
get through killing them all, go to the goddamn graveyard and kill
them
a-goddamn-gain because they didn't die hard enough."[November 29, 1993
speech at Kean College in Union, New Jersey.]
Mary Frances Berry (current head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights) -
"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men
and do
not apply to them." [Civil Rights Under Reagan, San Francisco, ICS
Press,
1991, p. 141.]
Augustin Cebada (Head of the Brown Berets, a Hispanic activist
organization
at a July 4, 1996 rally) - "We're here today to show L.A., show the
minority
people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we're
here to
stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat
children
. . . we are the majority here and we are not going to be pushed
around."
Augustin Cebada "Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to
Woodland
Hills! Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out!
We
are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you.
Leave like
beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die. . . ."
[Quoted in
Barbara Coe, Reconquista, The Takeover of America, California
Coalition for
Immigration Reform, 1998, p. 20.]
Prof. Jose Angel Gutierrez (University of Texas, Arlington) "We have
an
aging white America. They are dying. They are shitting in their pants
with
fear! . . . I love it!" - [Speech of Jan. 1995, quoted in Coe,
Reconquista,
p. 16.]
Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall (in a conversation with
Justice
William Douglas about racial preferences) "You guys have been
practicing
discrimination for years. Now it is our turn." [William O. Douglas,
The
Court Years 1939-1975, New York, Random House, 1980.]
bell hooks (black professor of English at City College of New York) "I
am
writing this essay sitting beside an anonymous white male that I long
to
murder." [From her book A Killing Rage, quoted by David Horowitz in
Hating
Whitey, Spence Publishing, 1999, p. 31.]
Sister Souljah (rap artist and black activist) "If black people kill
black
people every day, why not have a week and kill white people." [R.W.
Apple
"Jackson Sees 'Character Flaw' in Clinton's Remarks on Racism, New
York
Times, June 19, 1992.]
Ice Cube (black rapper and actor, on the anti-Korean album Death
Certificate)
"So don't follow me up and down your market.
or your little chop suey ass will be a target.
So pay your respects to the black fist
or we'll burn your store right down to a crisp."
[Eric Briendel, "Rap Star to Koreans: 'We'll Burn Your Stores,' " New
York
Post, Dec. 5, 1991, p. 29.]
Amiri Baraka (black poet and writer)
"You cant steal nothin from a white man, he's already
stole it he owes
you anything you want, even his life. All the stores will
open up if you
will say the magic words. The magic words are: Up against
the wall
motherfucker this is a stick up!"
[Quoted in Anne Wortham, The Other Side of Racism, Ohio State
University
Press, 1981, p. 257.]
Mario Obledo - (1998 Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient and
former head
of Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund - MALDEF)
"California
is going to be a Mexican state, we are going to control all the
institutions. If people don't like it they should leave." [Tom Leykis
Radio
Show, June 7, 1998.]
Malcolm X - "The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful
thing."
[Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash.
He
also said on numerous occasions, "The white man is the devil."]
Rev. James Cone - "What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which
is
the source of human misery in the world." [Quoted in David Horowitz,
Hating
Whitey, Spence Publishing, 1999, p. 44.]
Art Torres (former chairman, California Democratic Party) - "Remember,
[Proposition] 187 [the measure to cut public benefits to illegal
aliens] is
the last gasp of white America." [The Social Contact, Summer 1998, p.
290.]
Willie Brown (Mayor of San Francisco to a white parent complaining
that
affirmative action would penalize his children) "I don't care about
your
idiot children." [The Social Contract, Summer 1998, p. 290.
Nyk
"The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:nfOnb.169940$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
> news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> >
> >
> > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
>
> Self Praise is No Praise.
>
> Here is some info for you:
>
> You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> using DNA technology.
> http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
Commercial bullshit site
> Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct?
> <http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html>
> STATEMENT ON RACE AS A BIOLOGICAL CONCEPT
Opinion, not fact
> Understanding the Techniques of Race Denial:
> "Race: Reality and Denial; Richard McCulloch"
> http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no4/rm-race.html>
More opinion and subtle racist propaganda.
> A common tactic of race deniers is to demand proof of the reality of
> race, without setting a standard of what constitutes sufficient proof.
> Their standards of proof are artificially too high. This is related
> to their avoidance of an objective or accurate definition of race.
>
> That's a standard debating technique known as the Bald Man Fallacy.
>
> We can all tell the difference between a man who has no hair on his
> head and a man with a full head of hair. However, it's not possible
> to
> stipulate exactly how many hairs the second man must lose before
> everyone will agree he is bald.
>
> Those who pretend that humans have no racial differences demand a
> similarly impossible exactitude of definition. In this way, they hope
> to stifle debate.
>
> A gene on allele 5 chromosome 6 has even been discovered that
> correlates 4
> points to IQ.
> http://www.sciencenet.emory.edu/mismeasure/genius/research03.html
This shite again....
You draw your conclusions from heavily weighted psuedo-science.
> Philip Rustons "Race Evolution Behaviour". It is a 500 page book but
> a free
> 50 page abridged edition in .pdf format is available from this page
> http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html
> Or directly from:
> http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
Archaic. That said... I love Darwin. He was just around at a less
enlightened time. A time when race as a justification of right to rule was
integral to social structure.
> Understanding talk about genetic variation and race.
> http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/straw_man_of_race.htm
Psuedo science
> Race Denial Costs Lives
> By Sam Francis
>
> http://www.vdare.com/francis/pseudo.htm
> (Original article extensively hyperlinked to original sources)
>
And this site again... Betcha the KKK pay money to vdare.
>
> > and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
> > Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> > views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
>
> Cop this pompous arse:
>
> You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> using DNA technology.
> http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
>
And again with this site. yawn...
> >
> > I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will
> not.
> >
> > I would like to postulate that there is a race of people called
> > "Han Chinese".
> >
> > Here are their genetic traits:
> >
> > Slopey eyes
> > Yellow skin
> > Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
> > Black Hair
> >
> > I think that constitues a sterotypical genetic Chinese.
> >
> > Strewth - Hang On - that also sounds uncannily like a Vietnamese!
> > and a Thai and a Burmese and a Lao and a Uighur
> > and a Dong and a Korean (excpt that some Koreans are tall gawd it
> gets
> > difficult)
> > and a Kyrgyz and a Mongol and a ..well you get the picture!
> >
> > I guess it can't be done.
> > "Race" cannot be descibed genetically.
> >
> > Well posted and argued fasgnadh!
> >
> > - Baraholka
>
I don't know how well argued it was... but at least he was right most of the
time,
and the basic premise was spot on.
My paraphrase....
Give us the significators of race. Or stop making policies and opinions
based on race.
> I've left the above shyte to show how pathetic Barholka/Fasgnadh is.
And you are paranoid if you keep thinking that only fasgnadh agrees with
Fasgnadh. He might go off like an idiot sometimes, but he has prolly more
supporters than you bunch of "right-wing" tossers.
Certainly, more intelligence.
You are a silly little man who constantly uses the same tired and refuted
arguments which only prove how small minded you are.
Look for some fresh links will yer!
Nyk
Dope!
A racist is a person who makes opinions and policies guided by a fantasy
generalisation of race.
It is not someone who picks on white skinned rednecks for being ignorant
prats.
And who cares what colour the skin is anyway? A prat is a prat no matter
what the colour is. And racist's come in all hues and cultures.
And where does the misogyny come from?
Your shooting a lot... but your not hitting anything.
Take off your blindfold.
Ned Latham
>
> This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
Funny how the forensic use of DNA contradicts him, huh?
> Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> views
Get a grip, you moron. Lunatic ranting isn't "independent scientific
support".
> which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
As in my post <slrnb6p2ll....@arthur.valhalla.oz>, which
answered the very post you're so idiotically congratulating now?
> * > The failure to provide any evidence shows you have a mere belief,
> *
> * Your source provided the evidence, moron: "populations around the
> * world carry their own unique genetic fingerprints".
"Completely failed to counter", huh? You must have a very weird dictionary.
> I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will not.
Not very good at reading newsgroups, are you? From my post
<slrnbibr9...@arthur.valhalla.oz>:
> * > Really? And what are the distinct characteristics common to all
> * > negroes that don't occur in any other set of populations in homo
> * > sapien sapiens?
> *
> * In combination: very dark skin; prognathous face; thick lips; large
> * gluteus maximus; long limbs; high proportion of fast-twitch muscle;
> * low proportion of body hair; oval cross-sectioned head hair; low
> * incidence of myopia, cleft palate and basal cell carcinoma; tendency
> * to sickle-cell anaemia (adaption to malaria)...
> *
> * Dunno all of them. Big dicks?
----idiotic straw man snipped----
Ned
--
* Democracy means "the people rule". *
* Fight for the power of assent. *
Ned Latham
> "Baraholka" wrote:
> [...]
> > Here are their genetic traits:
> > Slopey eyes
> > Yellow skin
> > Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
> > Black Hair
> [...]
>
> Unfortunately, these are merely traits of the phenotype.
> Please name appropriate genes, if known. ;-)
>
> Cruel Parody:
"False and idiotic analogy", actually.
> Non-Theorem:
> Constellations of stars are real and scientifically based.
Try instead: "classification of stars is real and scientifically based".
Idiot.
----snip----
fasgnadh
>
>
> This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
Thank you, but it is not just my argument, it is the modern scientific
view.
> Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
>
Typically the racists merely start new threads in which they backslap each
other
blandly assert the wisdom of their prejudices, and abuse their critics.
> I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will not.
>
Well done Sirrah! Ned, Nev, Putzl, Enlightenment and the other
handful of loud but ignorant racists have all scurried away and
refused the challenge!
> I would like to postulate that there is a race of people called
> "Han Chinese".
>
> Here are their genetic traits:
>
> Slopey eyes
> Yellow skin
> Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
> Black Hair
>
> I think that constitues a sterotypical genetic Chinese.
>
> Strewth - Hang On - that also sounds uncannily like a Vietnamese!
> and a Thai and a Burmese and a Lao and a Uighur
> and a Dong and a Korean (excpt that some Koreans are tall gawd it gets
> difficult)
> and a Kyrgyz and a Mongol and a ..well you get the picture!
>
> I guess it can't be done.
> "Race" cannot be descibed genetically.
>
> Well posted and argued fasgnadh!
>
I must acknowledge not only the wider scientific community, especially
geneticists and anthropologists, but also Mark and Su for considerable
detailed scientific citations, Scott Steel and others too numerous to
mention
for taking the brave and principled stand to oppose these rabid racists
who are pollutinf Usenet with their despised minority hate-speech.
I merely frame the challenge, and lead the chorus of mockery when
the racists flounder, fillibuster, and fall over each other in error and
contradiction! B^D
fasgnadh
Hang on, you haven't addressed whats there already!
What are you going to do now? Invent a NEW lie?
> fagnuts and his bunch of misogynist left
> wing looney neurotics are constantly calling white people 'racist'
Yup! A new lie from the racists!
Provide quotes showing where I "constantly call white people racist'!
I only call racists, racists. Based on their explicit racism in usenet,
i have no way of determining their colour (Although Mosley claims
to be a whitefella, and reckons the blackfella's couldn't get along without
"us"!)
> (never non-whites of course).
>
> Now ... how do you and the other loonies propose that those you call
> 'racists' are discriminating against people on the basis of 'race'
> when according to you 'race' does not exist?
This has been dealt with NUMEROUS times! I do wish you morons
would learn to READ, and CATCH UP!
Once more for the slow boy:
The fact that racists believe in a fiction called 'race' and act upon it
does not make their belief REAL!
Just like the fact that people who believe in ghosts and evil spirits
may sacrifice a virgin to protect the village from them!
The stupidity arising from the superstitious belief IS VERY REAL,
but the object of that belief IS NOT!
So it is with racism.. people act on their UNREASONED and
IRRATIONAL **BELIEFS**
Racism is real, 'race' is not.
Q.E.D.
> And of course ... why is it that according to you left wing loonies it
> is only white people who can be 'racist' ?
Who ever said such a stupid thing?
Racism, like any other human attribute, is not confined
to particular skin colours! That is a very racist view you
are espousing!
The fact that the Usenet racists all identify themselves as
"white" supremacists is a slur on all the really white people,
the Japanese, by a tiny minority of pink nutters who do
not represent the mainstream, but are disproportionally noisy
in usenet because they post their hate-speech from socially
irresponsible ISP's.
> are you selecting a group
> of people based on their race
impossible, there is no such thing, unless you mean
I criticise ALL bigots and hate mongering racists who try
and divide the human race for grubby political purposes.
That is a classic tactic of the ruling elites to divide and conquer.
> while you attempt to promote the view
> that there is no 'race'
You finally got something right! But there is no need to 'promote'
the truth, every reputable scientist knows there is no genetic basis
for the primitive superstitious belief in 'races'
You are one of the most backward exponents of racist myths,
you are still promoting the notion of 'white race' based on skin
colour! Even your fellow racist nutters, Ned and Enlightnment,
admit that is NONSENSE! B^D
> outside this racial group
Which racial group?
If Japanese are a 'racial group' according to you, because
of their white skin, then are pale scandinavians of the same
'white race'?
Can you see why people laugh at you!?
And repeat the simple challenge, from which all you loonies flee;
How many 'races' do you claim exist?
What are they called?
What is the scientific basis for distinguishing one from another?
How come anthropologists and geneticists regard your racist
nonsense as a joke?
All you have to do is present a rational taxonomy, and
rational thinkers will pay attention....
..till then you are just another ranting racist nutter!
Have a nice day! B^)
None of the racists seem game to take up the challenge;
______________________________
"THE GREAT RACE CHALLENGE"
Sign up now, I will use some of the standard images of a variety of
humans and you can all show us how their 'races' can be easily identified.
R.M O'Donnell; ........................................
Sumdum Newbie; ........................................
Ned Latham ........................................
Neville Duiguid ........................................
Stan Pierce ........................................
Enlightenment .......................................
Mosley .......................................
Brian Green .......................................
Any other racist ........................................
The racists can put their money where their racist mouths are.
(any other racists are welcome to join in - it's an open challenge!)
You racists will have to decide how many 'race' categories (3-50?)
in each group, and how many major 'groups' there are (3- 12?)
We will have to agree on an independent judge.
I will send them a copy of the photos with a description of their place of
birth and ethnic group origins before you racists start your guesses
(the sealed envelope approach)
You racists will privately send your guesses to the judge we agree on,
(to avoid you being influenced by each other. Of course you can
all pre-arrange to cheat, but it will look really funny if you all get the
SAME wrong answers! B^D
The judge will then post the ethnological information for each photo,
your guesses, and if necessary, a chart showing the variation in guesses.
That should be a handy piece of rational scientific evidence of how coherent
'race' is and how sound your 'observational' model is.
If you racists don't have the ticker.. we will just call you
THE GREAT RACE **DENIERS** and expect that you never
again raise your stupid nonsense in our rational discussion groups.
B^)
Let us know when you have agreed as a group on how many
'races', and sub-races within each, you will need.
I know you will want to list hundreds to give yourselves the maximum
flexibility and not be faced with some 'group' you have embarrassingly
left out, but lets limit it to something between 12 and 30,
just to keep things manageable, ok?
"One People - One Planet" Everything else is disunity and division.
fasgnadh
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.net.oz> wrote in message
news:slrnbq145...@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> "Baraholka" wrote in <ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>:
> >
> > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> > and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
>
> Funny how the forensic use of DNA contradicts him, huh?
>
You never presented any, you pathetic lying racist! B^D
You were done like a dinner! B^)
> > Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> > views
But Ned is a longstanding supporter of Mosley, Agora the nazi,
Stan Pierce, Enlightenment, and all the other racists.
Ned himself has advanced the despicable racist notion that
an aussie as famous as Albert Namatjira can't be regarded
as true-blue because, and I quote Ned "he's an Arunta"
see below;
________________________________________
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
news:slrnbnglg...@arthur.valhalla.oz...
...
>
> Show something you think might pass as evidence that I am a racist,
> you lying piece of shit.
Oh dear. Neddles seems upset! B^D
He is happy to run about complaining that those who attack
Anglo paedophiles should leave them alone, calling people
'racist' simply for legitimate use of the term 'Anglo' (although
he's completely biased and partisan, as he doesn't mind using
that term, and defends the far more abusive 'raghead', himself! 8^o
> Search the whole of Usenet if you like:
Ned, no one who knows you and your former, now defunct
racist website, has any doubts about your racism.
You have publicly opposed ever nomination of well known and
well loved aboriginals as true-blues. You told everyone Albert
Namatjira could not be considered a true-blue because he was an
Arunta man! Blatant prejudice, bigotry and racism!
# From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# Subject: Re: Latham spits on sydney's western suburbs
# Newsgroups: aus.politics, aus.culture.true-blue
# Date: 2002-07-22 07:32:52 PST
...
# > "I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
# > he's an Arunta)" - Ned Latham
#
# That's right.
In the same post Ned confirmed his racist view
thet Kathy Freeman could not be considered a true-blue
# > "She isn't a True Blue, because she's a mainstreamer",
#
# That's right. The mainstream culture isn't the culture we call True
# Blue, it's the mainstream culture.
If you accepted Ned's weak post-hoc racist excuse for excluding
Kath, without even discussing her character, because she was popular
with aussies of all backgrounds, what NEd calls 'mainstream'
then the late Slim Dusty would also have to be excluded because
his State Funeral was packed with the Establishment!
And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
It's absurd! Ned just looks for EXCUSES for what is clearly his
minority hatred, bigotry and racism.
Kath is a true-blue heroine, a lovely girl, and loved by decent
Aussies everywhere. Why do bigots like Ned ALWAYS
have to be bitter whiners, haters and knockers!?
> search the whole web if you
> like: search back through the entire existence of the Internet if
> you like, you useless, cowardly, lying piece of shit.
Ned always gets abusive when he has been exposed as a Liar,
a racist, and a fraud. B^)
To show what a hypocrite he is, he claims my criticism of Anglo
paedophiles, and people like Ned who support them, are 'racist'
attacks on Anglo's, when clearly they are attacks on criminals
and paedophiles! I AM an anglo, me mate Marky, who Ned also
slanderously abuses with no effect, is an Anglo! B^D
Ned is a knocker, a whiner, a bitter bigot consumed by hate.
Even his mate Nev was big enough to get over being done by
the true-blues, and was willing to have a go, contributing
something to the true-blue culture.. but not Ned;
fasgnadh
<k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote in message news:3f9f...@news.latrobe.edu.au...
> In aus.politics Baraholka <wo...@placename.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > Here are their genetic traits:
> > Slopey eyes
> > Yellow skin
> > Short (av. height 165 cm for males)
> > Black Hair
> [...]
>
> Unfortunately, these are merely traits of the phenotype.
> Please name appropriate genes, if known. ;-)
>
>
> Cruel Parody:
>
Thats the hysterically funny part! Bara is sending up the racists
with his cruel parofy.. and still, he has made more of an attempt
to meet the Great Race Challenge than any of the racists! B^D
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAAA!
It's as if the only person able to have a go at defining
the flat earth belief system was an astronomer who
mocked and satirized it, and not one of the flat earthers
could do better!
What a Riot! B^D
The Enlightenment
> "The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:nfOnb.169940$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
> > news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> >
> > Self Praise is No Praise.
> >
> > Here is some info for you:
> >
> > You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> > using DNA technology.
> > http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
>
> Commercial bullshit site
It can identify the racial ancestry of everyone of your 46
chromosomes.
Is that why the US Police used it to identify and arrest a suspect.
http://www.vdare.com/francis/pseudo.htm
But for months the man hunt for the killer who was terrorizing Baton
Rouge concentrated on white males - mainly because an FBI "behavioral
profile" suggested the killer was white. More than 600 white men had
their cheeks swabbed for DNA samples by the police, and there was a
minor dust-up about the legitimacy of such "racial profiling" of
whites. (Note it was "minor"; racial profiling is taboo only when used
to identify non-whites.)
But not until February of this year did the local law enforcement task
force investigating the four known murders in Baton Rouge give the
killer's DNA to DNAPrint Genomics, a company in Florida that
specializes in using genetic evidence to identify criminal suspects.
Within weeks the CEO of the company, Tony Frudakis, identified the
race of the killer as being "85 percent Sub-Saharan African and 15
percent Native American."
So much for the FBI "behavioral profile."
By March 21, the truth had sunk in to the task force. It called a news
conference to announce that the public should not assume the killer
was white after all.
They wouldn't say why.
It may not be important for the outcome of the investigation, which
soon culminated in Mr. Lee's identification, but it's pretty clear
why. Any public employee saying a scientific test shows the reality of
race would lose his job and career, regardless of how many murderers
he caught.
Yet it's still not entirely clear exactly when the task force obtained
a DNA sample from the unknown killer and, if they had one earlier than
last February (by which time four of the five known victims had died),
why they didn't approach Mr. Frudakis' firm before then?
>
> > Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct?
> > <http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html>
> > STATEMENT ON RACE AS A BIOLOGICAL CONCEPT
>
> Opinion, not fact
Well there is a shit load of data to back up his arguments. Race
deniers however always loose because they don't have Richard Pryor on
their sides in respect to race:
"Who are you going to believe? Us professors or your lying eyes"
>
> > Understanding the Techniques of Race Denial:
> > "Race: Reality and Denial; Richard McCulloch"
> > http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no4/rm-race.html>
>
> More opinion and subtle racist propaganda.
Race Denial is a bizzare phenomena that deserves study if only for the
anti-white malice it contains. Every seen a race denier deny that
blacks exist or deny them their culture or a voice as a Black, or
Asian or Jew?
>
> > A common tactic of race deniers is to demand proof of the reality of
> > race, without setting a standard of what constitutes sufficient proof.
> > Their standards of proof are artificially too high. This is related
> > to their avoidance of an objective or accurate definition of race.
> >
> > That's a standard debating technique known as the Bald Man Fallacy.
> >
> > We can all tell the difference between a man who has no hair on his
> > head and a man with a full head of hair. However, it's not possible
> > to
> > stipulate exactly how many hairs the second man must lose before
> > everyone will agree he is bald.
> >
> > Those who pretend that humans have no racial differences demand a
> > similarly impossible exactitude of definition. In this way, they hope
> > to stifle debate.
> >
> > A gene on allele 5 chromosome 6 has even been discovered that
> > correlates 4 points to IQ.
> > http://www.sciencenet.emory.edu/mismeasure/genius/research03.html
>
> This shite again....
> You draw your conclusions from heavily weighted psuedo-science.
Yeah, pseudo science from Emory university. LOL.
>
> > Philip Rustons "Race Evolution Behaviour". It is a 500 page book but
> > a free
> > 50 page abridged edition in .pdf format is available from this page
> > http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html
> > Or directly from:
> > http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
>
> Archaic.
So knowledge has a use by date?
> That said... I love Darwin. He was just around at a less
> enlightened time. A time when race as a justification of right to rule was
> integral to social structure.
>
> > Understanding talk about genetic variation and race.
> > http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/straw_man_of_race.htm
>
> Psuedo science
He explains some of the race deniers techniques and lies for creating
confusion around the issue.
>
> > Race Denial Costs Lives
> > By Sam Francis
> >
> > http://www.vdare.com/francis/pseudo.htm
> > (Original article extensively hyperlinked to original sources)
> >
>
> And this site again... Betcha the KKK pay money to vdare.
How much Money are you willing to bet?
>
> >
> > > and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
> > > Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> > > views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
> >
> > Cop this pompous arse:
> >
> > You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> > using DNA technology.
> > http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
> >
>
> And again with this site. yawn...
Yeah that pesky 'commercial' company. The one with that inconvenient
tests that can determin the racial ancestry of everyone of your 46
chromosomes.
Maybe Emory university could do the test or is that too "pseudo
science" for you.
SNIP
> > I've left the above shyte to show how pathetic Barholka/Fasgnadh is.
>
> And you are paranoid if you keep thinking that only fasgnadh agrees with
> Fasgnadh. He might go off like an idiot sometimes, but he has prolly more
> supporters than you bunch of "right-wing" tossers.
> Certainly, more intelligence.
>
> You are a silly little man who constantly uses the same tired and refuted
> arguments which only prove how small minded you are.
Pot, Kettle, Black
> Look for some fresh links will yer!
Listen, you wouldn't notice a fact or the truth if it was strapped
onto a salmon and dropped on you from 50 feet.
Arguments don't "grow tired" their logic and premises are either
refuted or they are not.
You have refuted nothing. Just the same old tired and demolished
rhetoric.
fasgnadh
"The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> >
> >
> > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
>
> Self Praise is No Praise.
Jealousy is the curse of beaten bigots like you! B^D
Because the scientific world, and all the rational posters
agree with me, you have to pretend they all ARE ME,
in order to sustain your irratonal delusion! B^D
That pathology alone shows how irrational you and the
other reality deniers are!
But even funnier is how you quote citations to texts which say
EXACTLY the opposite of what you claim:
> Here is some info for you:
>
Note, like all the racists, Enfeeblement cannot present a simple,
logical and rational account, in his own words, which answers even
the basic questions;
How many 'races' do you claim exist?
What are they called?
What is the scientific basis for distinguishing one from another?
How come anthropologists and geneticists regard your racist
nonsense as a joke?
All you have to do is present a rational taxonomy, and
rational thinkers will pay attention....
..till then you are just another ranting racist nutter!
Instead they post links to either
1) fact free White supremacist racist rant sites which are 100% irrational
opinion
or
2) science and fringe science which they don't understand and think
supports them when in fact it demolishes their myth.. (see #2 below)
or
3) Money making scams that flim-flam stupid redneck nutters (easier
than shearing sheep! ;-) like this one;
> You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> using DNA technology.
>
> http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
>
B^D For a mere $158 you can find out that, and I quote;
"We've all originated from a common ancestor that lived some
200,000 years age" B^D
So! Enlightenment has proven (it's HIS reference! ;-) that we
are ALL one family! ALL descended from the SAME common
ancestor!
As I say, there is ONE, Human, 'race'.
Thanks enfeeblement! B^)
(Watch them squirm, bleat, equivocate, disagree and
argue with each other about the consequences of this admission! B^)
#2 Now we have an example of Type 2 racist nonsense,
psuedo science where the only citations of actual science
CONTRADICT the racists theories! B^D
> Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct?
> <http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html>
"anthropology textbooks published in this decade [the 1990s]
have stopped teaching the concept of biological race . . .
[T]he revised concept of race . . . reflects recent scientific work with DNA
. . .
"We are beginning to get good data at the DNA level," said a Yale
geneticist,
Kenneth Kidd . . . [which] "support the concept that you can't draw
boundaries around races."
Q.E.D. B^D
From Enfeeblements OWN REFERENCE!
BWWWWWWWAWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
And the rest is just the usual irrational ad hom, where these
paranoid lunatics claim the entire scientific community
are 'race deniers' simply because they ask the racists for proof! B^D
> A common tactic of race deniers is to demand proof of the reality of
> race,
How inconvenient of the scientists not to believe these ignorant fools
without proof, just because the ignorant fools will believe without proof!
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA!
> That's a standard debating technique known as the Bald Man Fallacy.
>
> We can all tell the difference between a man who has no hair on his
> head and a man with a full head of hair. However, it's not possible
> to
> stipulate exactly how many hairs the second man must lose before
> everyone will agree he is bald.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAA!
Here we have 'argument by analogy, the weakest form of rhetoric,
which actually shows Enfeeblement arguing that 'race' is as indefinable
and incapable of definition as 'baldness' or 'tallness' or 'wellness'!
And he calls US 'race deniers! B^D He does more damage to his
own hopeless case, unintentionally, than I could do in a month! ;-)
> Those who pretend that humans have no racial differences demand a
> similarly impossible exactitude of definition. In this way, they hope
> to stifle debate.
But scientists can actually identify genes predisposing to baldness,
and to height, and to various forms of illness.. therefore Enfeeblements
strange self-defeating argument gives us a STRONGER basis for the
BALD 'RACE', and the TALL 'RACE', (something Markie and I
advanced as a JOKE to parody the racists) than for the racists OWN,
UNAMED, INDEFINABLE, UNSCIENTIFIC 'races! B^D
Q.E.D. 2 !!!!!!
..
>
> Philip Rustons "Race Evolution Behaviour".
Note this is the same author as enlightenments previous cite, they
only have one tame racist psuedo-scientist nutter, they have to
get good use out of his rantings! B^D
...
>
> > and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
> > Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> > views which his opponents have completely failed to counter.
>
> Cop this pompous arse:
>
> You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> using DNA technology.
> http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
Where is says what I and the scientific community say;
"We've all originated from a common ancestor that lived some
200,000 years age"
One ancestor, one 'race'!
Q.E.D. #3! B^D
>
>
> >
> > I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will
> not.
Nice Parody of the racist position, you actually make MORE
sense than any of them! Very funny!
Thanks I enjoyed your satire..
(I am certain the racists, being of generally feeble intelligence
and dim comprehension, will not even get the joke ;-)
> >
> > Well posted and argued fasgnadh!
> >
> > - Baraholka
...
fasgnadh
Here Enfeeblement proves EVERYTHING I have said
about his racist thinking being based on NO FACTS,
ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE, but mere BELIEF;
> (Fasgnadh is a mullato I believe)
Enfeeblement has never met me, he has never seen me,
he has certainly never analysed a blood sample or a
sample of my DNA.
He can have no SCIENTIFIC or RATIONAL basis
for his claim, it is, as he says himself, and as all racism is,
a superstitious BELIEF
What he demonstrates is the CLASSIC irrational bigotry
and prejudice of the ignorant racist!
Well done, son.. you have destroyed your credibility in
6 words or less! A new record for aus Usenet.. Ned
will have to get his skates on to beat your new benchmark! B^D
fasgnadh
> news:nfOnb.169940$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
> > news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> >
> > Self Praise is No Praise.
> >
> > Here is some info for you:
> >
> > You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> > using DNA technology.
> > http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
>
> Commercial bullshit site
>
> > Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct?
> > <http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no1/jpr-taxonomic.html>
> > STATEMENT ON RACE AS A BIOLOGICAL CONCEPT
>
> Opinion, not fact
>
> > Understanding the Techniques of Race Denial:
> > "Race: Reality and Denial; Richard McCulloch"
> > http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no4/rm-race.html>
>
> More opinion and subtle racist propaganda.
Thank you for your concise summary of those rubbish links,
I like to play with the racists and eviscerate then with the
scalpel of logic and reason... you might enjoy my reply
using enfeeblements own petard on which to hoist him. ;-)
>
> > A common tactic of race deniers is to demand proof of the reality of
> > race, without setting a standard of what constitutes sufficient proof.
> > Their standards of proof are artificially too high. This is related
> > to their avoidance of an objective or accurate definition of race.
> >
> > That's a standard debating technique known as the Bald Man Fallacy.
> >
> > We can all tell the difference between a man who has no hair on his
> > head and a man with a full head of hair. However, it's not possible
> > to
> > stipulate exactly how many hairs the second man must lose before
> > everyone will agree he is bald.
> >
> > Those who pretend that humans have no racial differences demand a
> > similarly impossible exactitude of definition. In this way, they hope
> > to stifle debate.
> >
> > A gene on allele 5 chromosome 6 has even been discovered that
> > correlates 4
> > points to IQ.
> > http://www.sciencenet.emory.edu/mismeasure/genius/research03.html
>
> This shite again....
> You draw your conclusions from heavily weighted psuedo-science.
>
It's all he has.. B^D
> > Philip Rustons "Race Evolution Behaviour". It is a 500 page book but
> > a free
> > 50 page abridged edition in .pdf format is available from this page
> > http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html
> > Or directly from:
> > http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
>
> Archaic. That said... I love Darwin. He was just around at a less
> enlightened time. A time when race as a justification of right to rule
was
> integral to social structure.
Darwins knowledge of DNA far exceeds Enfeeblement's! ;-)
BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!
That is the truly dammning part.. NONE of the racists can, in plain
English, answer even the simplest and most basic questions that
are ESSENTIAL to any RATIONAL TAXONOMY! 8^o
Instead they post links to web sites that simply re-iterate their own
irrational gibberish, with NOT A SINGLE, SERIOUS,
PEER REVIEWED, REFERENCE FROM THE SCIENTIFIC
COMMUNITY!
Then they LABEL the scientific position as 'race deniers'!
It's like spiritualist nutters calling the normal mainstream 'Ghost
Deniers' and insisting we adopt the same, peurile, emotive,
erronious, superstitious myths as they do without ANY
evidence being offered in support of their insanity! B^D
>
> > I've left the above shyte to show how pathetic Barholka/Fasgnadh is.
>
> And you are paranoid if you keep thinking that only fasgnadh agrees with
> Fasgnadh.
B^D I suspect you have just become 'fasgnadh' in the fevered
imagination of these emotive morons!
Along with every member of every Anthropologists Association
on the planet!
I am flattered that Enfeeblement thinks I am that pervasive, erudite,
well published, and respected in the scientific community! ;-)
> He might go off like an idiot sometimes, but he has prolly more
> supporters than you bunch of "right-wing" tossers.
> Certainly, more intelligence.
I confess to a theatrical, some say rhetorical, flourish...
if I did not entertain myself while dealing with such dolts,
it would become exceedingly tiresome.
The occasional verbal excess gives them a chance,
it's like handicapping a thoroughbred. ;-)
(and I note which of them respond only to the flippancy
and avoid the substance like a lead enema, ...it marks out
the particularly weak intellectual lightweights ;-)
> You are a silly little man who constantly uses the same tired and refuted
> arguments which only prove how small minded you are.
> Look for some fresh links will yer!
He hopes
a) no one will actually READ them, and thus discover there is no
rational support for his claims. (This of course is a reasonable
strategy for Enlightenment, who is trawling for intellectual
defectives as recruits for the White Supremacist Orc Brigade B^p )
b) people will not remember how he was defeated in rational debate last time
c) others will agree with him that 3 self-congratulating, backslapping
racist bigots is a 'debating victory'! B^D
fasgnadh
> "Nyk" <nyk...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:<3fa07...@news.iprimus.com.au>...
> > "The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:nfOnb.169940$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >
> > > "Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > > > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> > >
> > > Self Praise is No Praise.
> > >
> > > Here is some info for you:
> > >
> > > You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial origins
> > > using DNA technology.
> > > http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
> >
> > Commercial bullshit site
>
> It can identify the racial ancestry of everyone of your 46
> chromosomes.
B^D How hard is that when we all come from the SAME RACE,
according to THAT VERY WEBSITE YOU QUOTE;
"We've all originated from a common ancestor that lived some
200,000 years age"
Enfeeblement has to convince himself that he got his $158 worth,
or else he would feel an even bigger fool than he just showed himself to be!
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!
Neville Duguid
> And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
> then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
> and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
Ned was talking about their cultures, not the racial pedigrees you seem
so interminably obsessed with.
I don't recall him saying Namatjira "can't be a true-blue" in any other
sense than that someone who is culturally A is therefore not culturally
B.
You are the one who tries to preempt anyone's claims that they might see
themselves as culturally other than mainstream Australian.
Having ancestors who were Irish or English or Arunta does not determine
in advance a person's culture. Their culture is a by-product and a
reflection of the society and culture they were raised in. To
pigeon-hole Namatjira as a 'True Blue' against his wishes or knowledge
is to deny him the 'Arunta' cultural identity he and his kin may have
rightly considered themselves a part of. The True Blue Aussie
perspective in determining culture is that "it takes one to know one".
Honesty is essential to the process. You, who treat honesty with
contempt as some kind of throwback to hicksville, have debarred yourself
from ever acquiring such low level insight and knowledge.
Ancestry and culture are different things. And, as if to get in a final
slap at your own face, this 'Anglo' construct you keep referring to is
neither a culture nor an ancestral strain. It is just some catch-all for
"people who look British", convenient for foreigners who can no more
distinguish an Englishman from a Welshman than the typical Britisher can
distinguish a Neopolitan from a Genoese or a Singhalese from a Tamil.
To claim that there is *both* no racial difference and also no cultural
difference between such people is to show contempt for their deeply held
cultural beliefs; for it is a denial of distinctions they have no
trouble making themselves, and are a source of identity and pride to
them, regardless of foreign Pseudo Scientist 37939292's difficulty in
comprehending what is clear enough to anyone with a real need to know.
Your deliberate attempts to keep the distinction between culture and
race obscure are akin to someone who insists that there is a difference
between goats and sheep, or cattle and buffalo, but that any further
distinctions within those genres are irrelevant. They may be irrelevant
to a stockbroker who never has to lay eyes on any of them in the flesh.
But such distinctiions are far from irrelevant to ground-dwellers like
shepherds and goatherds, and even less so to the sheep and goats
themselves. Nor will you ever make it otherwise with any amount of your
theory-bound wishful thinking. Your "god's eye" perspective of other
people is neither appropriate nor relevant to those whom you seek to
categorize from such imaginary heights.
fasgnadh
"Neville Duguid" <nevi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
> > then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
> > and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
>
> Ned was talking about their cultures,
Liar!
Don't try and spin that codswallop in here! Namatjira painted in
oils and watercolours in the same western art tradition as Tom Roberts,
Hans Heysen, William Dobell...
Namatjira was NOT a dot painter!!!!
Ned was clearly claiming that Namatjira can't be true-blue because
he comes from an ABORIGINAL ethnic group, the Arunta,
but that racist shitpig makes no such exclusion to all of us from the
Anglo tribe! B^p
It was racism PURE AND SIMPLE.
Ned, like all you One Nation bigots, constantly snipes at
Aboriginals, he even refused to recognise Cathy Freeman
as a true-blue.. and she is about as 'traditional' as Thorpie! B^p
You mongrel maggots simply invent one slimy pretext after another for your
RACIST PREJUDICE and BIGOTRY!
Neither of you has a fucking clue about Namatjira and your assertion
that someone can be excluded from being a true-blue aussie because of
skin colour and ethnicity and prior cultural heritage is appalling racism
which you NEVER apply to other descendents from non-black
ethnic groups and cultural traditions!
If Anglos and Germans and Italians like the heroes of Eureka can
BECOME trueblues, then why not an Arunta, you fucking RACIST scum!
And if people can't become true-blue despite coming from a different
ethnic, or cultural or class background, then how could ANY
migrants ever become true-blues!
> not the racial pedigrees you seem
> so interminably obsessed with.
You are the only maggot ranting about 'racial pedigrees', no sane
and decent aussie has a fucking clue what you racist shitpigs even
mean by such meaningless drivel. NED identified his exclusion
of Namatjira as being based simply and solely on being 'Arunta',
an ethnic/cultural/tribal designation.. are you now trying to claim there
is an 'Arunta' 'race'???
The fair dinkum true-blue aussies, of which you and Ned and definitely
NOT members, based on your behaviour, are decent people who believe
ANYONE from any background can be a true-blue IF THEY THINK
BELIVE AND ACT in accordance with the core values..
and as you and Ned seem completely ignorant of them, and certainly
incapable of exhibiting them, let me list an important one;
A Fair Go for ALL!
Which, as you are so THICK I need to point out, includes Arunta,
Anglo, Celt, Italian, Short, Tall, thin, male, female, old, young,
Christian, Jewish, athiest and countless other types of aussies...
and you racists CANNOT exclude someone just because you are
prejudiced against their skin colour, or parents background, or
country of origin... let alone your bigotry about 'racial pedigrees',
a disgusting W.A.P. throwback which shows how little you have evolved
towards decent true-blues, and how similar you remain to your
namesake, A.O.Neville!
>
> I don't recall him saying Namatjira "can't be a true-blue" in any other
> sense than that someone who is culturally A is therefore not culturally
> B.
Liar.. he AUTOMATICALLY excluded him because he was 'Arunta'!
No cultural audit to determine what he believed, and, NO ATTEMPT
to rule yourselves out because you ar Anglo!
The truth is, you have no fucking idea about Namatjira's 'cultural
identity',
but the fact that he was one of the greatest TRULY AUSTRALIAN
PAINTERS, one of the first to paint OUR BUSH as it reallly is, in
the TRUE colours of the aussie landscape.. the fact he captured
teh very essence of the bush in twisted gums and purple mountains,
the fact he was jailed by a bigoted Anglo racist culture for daring
to buy a beer for his mates...
ANY OF THOSE THINGS GIVES HIM GREATER CLAIM
TO THE TITLE TO BE A FAIR DINKUM TRUE-BLUE
THAN A MISERABLE WHINING PAIR OF WHITE
RACIST PRICKS LIKE YOU AND LATHAM WHO JUDGE
A BLOKE BECAUSE HE IS BORN "ARUNTA" , RATHER THAN
FOR WHO HE IS!
Now fuck off, the pair of you miserable bastards, before you make us
all puke on our keyboards!
Rohan
Neville, this is a rather poetic and solid reply!
Multiculturalism can be quite an exciting and interesting "place". We
should not take that from the people who engage it with their lives
and personalities.
Such variables make our cities and country a more interesting place.
I'm quite happy to embrace it.
Though I'm far from prepared to debate what makes one "true blue".
Appears to me that term provides us with an invigoratingly free moving
target.
Cheers,
Rohan
fasgnadh
"Rohan" <ro...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
news:f28a1552.03103...@posting.google.com...
> nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
news:<1g3nr1w.166q97e1orijc0N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> > fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
> > > then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
> > > and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
And those who publicly demonstrate they they reject a culture and
its values CANNOT be part of it;
"True Blue Australians believe in free speech,
hence the newsgroup is unmoderated. "
Any pretenders who betray the values they proclaim as central
clearly do not self-identify as adherents to that value system.
Ned and Nev both willingly rejected the values THEY had
proclaimed as DEFINING true-blues.
Any fool can see that it is their Bad Faith, and guilt at turning their
back on true-blue, which makes them seek to turn others away!
> >
> > Having ancestors who were Irish or English or Arunta does not determine
> > in advance a person's culture.
So why did Ned, who has never met Namatjira, determine
that he couldn't be true-blue, just because he had Arunta
forebears, when he didn't rule you out for not only having
Anglo forbears, but clinging to that culture?
Please explain, why do you have two rules, one for yourselves,
and one for blacks?
> > Their culture is a by-product and a
> > reflection of the society and culture they were raised in.
Everyone's is.
Why is Namatjira any more a prisoner of his traditional culture
that you?
After all he painted in Western art style, showing he moved outside his
traditional cultural forms, you show no sign of ever leaving your insular
anglo pro-british, white supremacist heritage.
Namatjira contributed to true-blue aussie culture in a way which
demonstrated his deep understanding and spiritual links to the bush, you
have never shown any cultural contribution beyond admiring
capitalist entrepeneurs who flog consumer goods!
Namatjira was actually persecuted for sharing! A genuine true-blue
attribute, wheras you are famous for EXCLUDING people,
as you are trying to do here, in cahoots with that other One Nation
bigot, Ned Latham, by denying that Namatjira can be a true-blue
because of his ethnic background!
That is as disgraceful as claiming that Carbone wasn't a true-blue at
Eureka because you say he was an Italian, or Monash couldn't be one because
you say he was a Jew, what next? you plan to ban Nino Cullotta!? B^D
> > To pigeon-hole Namatjira as a 'True Blue' against his wishes or
knowledge
> > is to deny him the 'Arunta' cultural identity he and his kin may have
> > rightly considered themselves a part of.
You have it arse about.. Ned Denied Namatjira his true-blue identity
by pidgeon-holing him as Arunta, against his wishes or knowledge!
Go back and read what Ned said;
"I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
he's an Arunta)" - Ned Latham
So it's you and Ned who are assigning YOUR determination of someone elses
right to be considered part of a culture, not me.
I am NOT being prescriptive, or attempting to EXCLUDE anyone,
you are.
I never even denied he can be Arunta AND true-blue,
just like I never denied you can be Anglo, and true-blue, except that your
behaviour shows you do not ACT like a true-blue! B^p .
> > The True Blue Aussie
> > perspective in determining culture is that "it takes one to know one".
That applies to racist bastards like you and Ned..
A true-blue cares a bout a FAIR GO FOR ALL,
Namatjira famously went to jail in the days of severe racist controls
on black peoples lives by following his cultural values of sharing
rather than your cultural values of deciding who can't join!
Naturally any true-blue can see who behaved like a fair dinkum mate.
Anyway, all us fair dinkum aussies recognise Namatjira as a true-blue
aussie, and Cathy Freeman. I've only heard two racist arseholes of
no account who are widely despised even in the tiny usenet
world they infest, say otherwise.
It takes us true-blues to know Namatjira is one, it takes you
racists to only know racial exclusion, just like Namatjira faced
when he wanted a beer.
You have not given us A SINGLE GOOD REASON,
why you claim he, automatically, can't be true-blue! A
prescriptive ruling you have only ever applied to blacks,
Chinese and other ethnic groups.
You are racists.
> > Honesty is essential to the process.
Then be honest, why do you only exclude blacks like Cathy freeman,
Namatjira and Reg Saunders.
> > You, who treat honesty with
> > contempt as some kind of throwback to hicksville, have debarred yourself
> > from ever acquiring such low level insight and knowledge.
Your position must be weak if you have to lie about mine,
simply because I disagree with you about whaty constitutes a true-blue!
You say it's ethnicity and he can't be one because he's Arunta, but you
Anglo's can be.
I say that's bullshit, there are Anglo's AND Arunta who behave like
true-blues,
and then there are Anglo's and Arunta who behave like you racist bigots.
True-blue is a set of values, attitudes, beliefs and behaviours,
No decent aussie trueblue would say, as you do, that an
aboriginal can't be one, just because like you, he comes
from a particular heritage! B^p
What a disgrace you moral maggotts are.
> > Ancestry and culture are different things.
So, we can see how Namatjira evolved from traditional dot painting
and expressed the essence of the aussie bush, a true-blue cultural
contributor if ever there was one.. right up there with A Sunburnt
Country!
And then there is you, who clings to the British monarchy.
Clearly it is you, not Namatjira, who clings to the traditional
culture of your pommie ancestors, and have never adopted the
true-blue culture of A Fair Go For All, irrespective of skin colour.
> > And, as if to get in a final
> > slap at your own face, this 'Anglo' construct you keep referring to is
> > neither a culture nor an ancestral strain.
Are you saying Namatjira's Arunta ancestors had a culture, but your
Anglo ancestors didn't?
That could explain a lot about you,
> > It is just some catch-all for
> > "people who look British",
I have your mates Ned, Enlightenment, O'Donnell, all explaining
the finer points of Anglo, Anglo-Saxon, and here you are, trying
to deny it exists! B^D
> > convenient for foreigners who can no more
> > distinguish an Englishman from a Welshman than the typical Britisher can
> > distinguish a Neopolitan from a Genoese or a Singhalese from a Tamil.
Like you label Namatjira 'Arunta' so you can exclude him, even though
you DON'T KNOW HIM, and therefore cannot apply the rule you claimed
to follow??? What a hypocrite!
You claim the divine pommie right to label the blacks as kaffirs
and keep them out of the Big House, but if someone points out
YOUR ancestry, you bristle! B^D
> >
> > To claim that there is *both* no racial difference and also no cultural
> > difference between such people is to show contempt for their deeply held
> > cultural beliefs;
Why do you ALWAYS have to bring race into it!?
You racists with your obsession with this 'race' that
you can no more define than you define culture' are
just looking for more vague, and everchanging pretexts
to EXCLUDE others.
But your attempts to be Nazi GruppenFuhrers over some
Faux-Troo-Bloo private club was defeated by the mainstream,
fair finkum aussies.
You views are disreputable minority opinions, and no one,
certainly not the true-blues, pays any attention to them.
> > for it is a denial of distinctions they have no
> > trouble making themselves,
you constanly identify with Anglo and british heritage, from the
monarchy on down.
Clearly that means we must accept the distinction you make between you,
and the indigenous true-blue culture.. in fact I bet you don't even know
2% of what namatjira understood about the bush, you pommie poser!
So, if we play by your rules, "Can't be trueblue because he is X"
then you can't be true-blue because you constantly identify as British.
> > and are a source of identity and pride to
> > them, regardless of foreign Pseudo Scientist 37939292's difficulty in
> > comprehending what is clear enough to anyone with a real need to know.
Why do you try and deny the pride and identy of non-Anglo true-blues?
> >
> > Your deliberate attempts to keep the distinction between culture and
> > race obscure
I never do! Culture is real! 'race' is an irrational nonsense none of you
can
even describe.
> > are akin to someone who insists that there is a difference
> > between goats and sheep, or cattle and buffalo,
those are different species, you moron. Nothing to do with 'race'! B^p
> > but that any further distinctions within those genres are irrelevant.
rubbish, there are white sheep, black sheep, many meaningful
distinctions.
> > They may be irrelevant
> > to a stockbroker who never has to lay eyes on any of them in the flesh.
> > But such distinctiions are far from irrelevant to ground-dwellers like
> > shepherds and goatherds, and even less so to the sheep and goats
> > themselves.
As usual you are ranting, inventing strawmen.
I do not deny differences within species, that is obvious from the
variety of individuals. So you pretend the opposite and argue against
yourself
I do contest your nonsense about race, so you make no attempt to defend
your indefensible beliefs. B^D
> > Nor will you ever make it otherwise with any amount of your
> > theory-bound wishful thinking.
I have not had to do any more than ask you racists to define 'race'
to demonstrate that you can't!
Too fucking easy! B^D
> > Your "god's eye" perspective of other people
Again you demonstrate your tendency to deify your betters, part
of your Anglo forelock tugging toward the Aristocracy, no doubt,
but it is unhealthy and inappropriate in egalitarian Australia.
Besides your jealousy makes you choke on your own green bile;
> > is neither appropriate nor relevant to those whom you seek to
> > categorize from such imaginary heights.
I ask you to define your PHONie racist categories, and you can't, so
you claim *I* categorize people!? B^D
Your craziness is showing.
>
> Neville, this is a rather poetic and solid reply!
Too bad it's irrational and false.
> Multiculturalism can be quite an exciting and interesting "place".
Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta
AND true-blue, and thus by logic, it must be impossible in their view to
be Anglo and true-blue, (Which rules out Simpson, but maybe not his donkey!
or Jewish and true-blue, etc etc...
It is a patent nonsense, and you have to ask, why do they even try to set
absurd
prescriptive boundries around who cannot be true-blue????????
Do they see themselves as incapable of actually contributing to teh culture,
so they seek power as gatekeepers and keeping others, more
suited than themselves, from entering and mixing with other true-blues?
Thats why they tried to sieze control of the NG, and betray the very
true-blue values they claimed to represent:
"True Blue Australians believe in free speech,
hence the newsgroup is unmoderated. "
Any pretenders who betray the values they proclaim as central
clearly do not self-identify as adherents to that value system.
Ned and Nev both willingly rejected the values THEY had
proclaimed as DEFINING true-blues.
> We should not take that from the people who engage it with their lives
> and personalities.
>
> Such variables make our cities and country a more interesting place.
> I'm quite happy to embrace it.
Ned and Nev rail constantly against it.
Ned hates Australian democracy adn prefers a time when women
couldn't vote and there was slavery.. neither of them love this country
as is evidenced by their hatred of painters like Namatjira, whose
work is suffused with love and understanding of the heart
of the bush.
>
> Though I'm far from prepared to debate what makes one "true blue".
No harm in debating it, cobber, thats how people share and exchange views.
The problem is when jumped up little nobodies like our
One Nation Kammeraden try and arbitrarily exclude others,
as if being true-blue was a badge, or a passport stamp,
and in their anal obsessive attempt to aggrandise themselves, they
proclaim that a great cultural contributor can't belong! B^p
Bugger that, sport!
That NEEDS to be debated, in the strongest possible terms!
> Appears to me that term provides us with an invigoratingly free moving
> target.
Ned and Nev want to define an orthodoxy, and then crucify us all
on it.
Can you seriously explain the psychological disorder that drives them to
try and say one of our greatest bush painters isn't a true-blue aussie,
without offering a SINGLE FACT as to why??????????? B^p
Jealous spivs and wankers!
>
> Cheers,
> Rohan
Neville Duguid
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> > I don't recall him saying Namatjira "can't be a true-blue" in any other
> > sense than that someone who is culturally A is therefore not culturally
> > B.
>
> Liar.. he AUTOMATICALLY excluded him because he was 'Arunta'!
That is just negative spin for: Ned objected to you trying to hijack
Namitjira from the Aruntas for re-assignment to whatever Camel you were
then trying to herd us all into.
> No cultural audit to determine what he believed, and, NO ATTEMPT
> to rule yourselves out because you ar Anglo!
And you can't retrospectively assimmilate Namitjira into a culture he
may not have belonged to and may not even have wanted to belong to. Nor
can you make him part of your own attempt to steal a generation of
Aborigines by retrospectively re-branding him with your newly stolen
brand-name.
Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had nothing to
do with his painting. His painting would have been an outgrowth of his
culture only if he had spent his formative years in the tutelage of
other artists whose methods he absorbed through imitation before
improving upon what he had picked up from them. His painting was a
one-off gift - a tribute to his individual talent and dedication as an
artist, not something he owed to any Australian culture you may be
trying to retrospectively assign him to as if he were no more than the
latest boomerang or digiridoo you were misappropriating for a logo.
Your use of repetition to keep your lies reverberating in this newsgroup
is a a further illustration of the dishonesty you both practice and
preach. Sorry, but the name 'True Blue' is already taken in Australia.
It is not reserved for students of Goebbels like yourself to sell off to
the highest bidder, but describes those brought up in what *was* the
mainstream culture of Australia until someone misappropriated that
particular descriptor for their Social Engineering experiment during the
1980s.
Enough is enough. You've already hijacked 'Australian' for your blatant
attempt at cultural nihilism. Leave the names of 'True Blue' and
'Arunta' to their rightful traditional owners.
Neville Duguid
> "Rohan" <ro...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> news:f28a1552.03103...@posting.google.com...
> > nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> news:<1g3nr1w.166q97e1orijc0N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta
> AND true-blue,
In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk bottle
at the same time. It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or more
cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively to
one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
'Crikey' at the same time?
> and thus by logic, it must be impossible in their view to
> be Anglo and true-blue, (Which rules out Simpson, but maybe not his
> donkey! or Jewish and true-blue, etc etc...
>
> It is a patent nonsense, and you have to ask, why do they even try to set
> absurd prescriptive boundries around who cannot be true-blue????????
This is sheer semantic petulence on your part. To be as pedantic as
yourself, I would now need to demand to know which you meant, a True
Blue American, or a True Blue Scotsman, all the while getting further
away from what you were actually trying to talk about.
> Do they see themselves as incapable of actually contributing to teh culture,
> so they seek power as gatekeepers and keeping others, more
> suited than themselves, from entering and mixing with other true-blues?
>
> Thats why they tried to sieze control of the NG, and betray the very
> true-blue values they claimed to represent:
Only to you (and maybe Brian) does a subscriber posting something
on-topic in a newsgroup equate to "trying to seize control" of it. It's
as if you can comprehend of no other valid reason why anyone would want
to engage in usenet discussion.
> "True Blue Australians believe in free speech,
> hence the newsgroup is unmoderated. "
>
> Any pretenders who betray the values they proclaim as central
> clearly do not self-identify as adherents to that value system.
>
> Ned and Nev both willingly rejected the values THEY had
> proclaimed as DEFINING true-blues.
A red herring whose relevance is known only to yourrself, and which you
must already have cited at least a thousand times.
> > We should not take that from the people who engage it with their lives
> > and personalities.
> >
> > Such variables make our cities and country a more interesting place.
> > I'm quite happy to embrace it.
>
> Ned and Nev rail constantly against it.
> Ned hates Australian democracy adn prefers a time when women
> couldn't vote and there was slavery.. neither of them love this country
> as is evidenced by their hatred of painters like Namatjira, whose
> work is suffused with love and understanding of the heart
> of the bush.
This is Che systematically negating everything he knows about me or
anything I have ever said - inverting it before rendering it as
graffiti.
I must really have scored a hit with "Che's The Devil" ;-)
> > Though I'm far from prepared to debate what makes one "true blue".
>
> No harm in debating it, cobber, thats how people share and exchange views.
>
> The problem is when jumped up little nobodies like our
> One Nation Kammeraden try and arbitrarily exclude others,
> as if being true-blue was a badge, or a passport stamp,
> and in their anal obsessive attempt to aggrandise themselves, they
> proclaim that a great cultural contributor can't belong! B^p
>
> Bugger that, sport!
>
> That NEEDS to be debated, in the strongest possible terms!
Well I'll be damned! For the first time in aeons I do detect some real
heart-felt resentment being expressed by Che. Looks like I hit a sore
spot with "Che's The Devil" alright ;-)
> > Appears to me that term provides us with an invigoratingly free moving
> > target.
>
> Ned and Nev want to define an orthodoxy, and then crucify us all
> on it.
>
> Can you seriously explain the psychological disorder that drives them to
> try and say one of our greatest bush painters isn't a true-blue aussie,
> without offering a SINGLE FACT as to why??????????? B^p
>
> Jealous spivs and wankers!
For the record (since it is pointless saying it to "fasgnadh") I have
never said any such thing. I don't read everything Ned (or anyone else)
posts on usenet. But from what I have read, I have never seen Ned make
such a statement. What I have seen is fasgnadh aka Che misrepresent
other things Ned has said on the topic to make it seem as if he had said
something contrary to what he did say, clearly enough for me to
understand without having to puzzle over it.
So Che is either mentally defective, or won't divulge his real reasons
for *deliberately* misrepresenting people as saying things they not only
didn't say, but expend considerable energy trying to assure him and
everyone else they never intended any such meaning. Even more
interesting is that there are trolls who do say some of the things Che
attributes to others, but he rarely seems to see any cause for complaint
against those who actually say the things he prefers accusing others of
instead.
All of which adds up to a strange and mysterious obsession indeed.
Neville Duguid
> You say it's ethnicity and he can't be one because he's Arunta, but you
> Anglo's can be.
I have never said any such thing you duplicitous fool. Nor can I be
bothered going through your whole post tagging every sentence with this
comment, even though it applies equally to every one of your cynical
deliberate lies.
> I say that's bullshit,
Of course it is. But you are talking to that guy in your mirror again. I
don't know why you bother with usenet. You don't need an interactive
medium for the type of self-invented "dialogues" you invent.
[...]
> So, if we play by your rules, "Can't be trueblue because he is X"
> then you can't be true-blue because you constantly identify as British.
"Constantly" as in never. Not once, ever, have I claimed to be anything
other than what I am, a True Blue Australian and NOTHING else. Never
have been, never will be, and am quite happy to admit I am not capable
of bunging on someone else's culture as if it were nothing more than one
of "Che Guava's" party masks.
Neville Duguid
> Though I'm far from prepared to debate what makes one "true blue".
> Appears to me that term provides us with an invigoratingly free moving
> target.
Particularly to fasgnadh who acts as though his life depends on keeping
the term as perpetually ambiguous as possible. This, off course, clashes
head on with the proponents of the newsgroup aus.culture.true-blue who
initially hoped they could come up with a good workable definition as
acceptable to as many viewpoints as possible without capitulating to
those who could accept it meaning either "nothing" or "everything" but
nothing in between.
I think, personally, that attributing such monumental importance to mere
words is unnaturally obsessive. As a true-blue Aussie I was brought up
to believe that 'sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can
never hurt me'. Sadly, there seem to be people now among us who are
determined that such a state of affairs must not be allowed to survive.
Ned Latham
in <bnqp1q$1g7v$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>:
> "The Enlightenment" wrote:
> > "Nyk" wrote:
> > > "The Enlightenment" wrote:
> > > > "Baraholka" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> > > >
> > > > Self Praise is No Praise.
> > > >
> > > > Here is some info for you:
> > > >
> > > > You may follow this link to find a company to test your racial
> > > > origins using DNA technology.
> > > > http://www.ancestrybydna.com/
> > >
> > > Commercial bullshit site
> >
> > It can identify the racial ancestry of everyone of your 46
> > chromosomes.
>
ROTFL! You think you're a negro, Guano?
You also think you're a Mongoloid?
You also ... erm, lessee now ... one race for every Voice in your
head ... are you saying that there're 427 races of Homo Sapiens,
Guano?
Name them, please.
> according to THAT VERY WEBSITE YOU QUOTE;
>
> "We've all originated from a common ancestor that lived some
> 200,000 years age"
Eve, the postulated ancestor of the *species*.
Ned
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Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > "Baraholka" wrote:
> > >
> > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> > > and his argument that race cannot be described genetically.
> >
> > Funny how the forensic use of DNA contradicts him, huh?
>
> You never presented any,
Pffft. Do a web search on "DNAPrint Genomics". Or try any of
http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/107/107230.html
http://www.forensicnursemag.com/hotnews/36h1213416.html
http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/06_03/serial.shtml
> you pathetic lying racist!
Says the pathetic lying racist who tries to obfuscate discussions of
Muslim terrorism and gang rape with rants about "Anglo" and "white"
criminals, and who has even tried to assert that paedophilia is a
strictly Anglo perversion.
> You were done like a dinner!
Only in your fevered little head, freak.
> > > Fasgnadh has provided independent scientific support for his
> > > views
Wrong. Guano's lunatic rants are not "independent scientific support".
> But Ned is a longstanding supporter of Mosley, Agora the nazi,
> Stan Pierce, Enlightenment, and all the other racists.
Wrong again, liar. I'm a long-standing antagonist of lies and liars.
> Ned himself has advanced the despicable racist notion that
> an aussie as famous as Albert Namatjira can't be regarded
> as true-blue because,
More lying by the mad dog.
> and I quote Ned "he's an Arunta"
> see below;
> ________________________________________
>
> "Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
> news:slrnbnglg...@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> ...
> >
> > Show something you think might pass as evidence that I am a racist,
> > you lying piece of shit.
>
> Oh dear. Neddles seems upset!
Oh dear. Guano's lost it completely. That, and what followed, is a cut
and paste from a message he posted on 2003/10/01, and which I demolished
in <slrnbnkaf...@arthur.valhalla.oz>:
> * Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
> * in <blbgjf$16ni$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>:
> * > Ned Latham wrote:
> * > ...
> * > >
> * > > Show something you think might pass as evidence that I am a racist,
> * > > you lying piece of shit.
> * >
> * > Oh dear. Neddles seems upset!
> *
> * Because I type some words that characterise you accurately?
> * Get back on your medication, you deluded freak.
> *
> * > He is happy to run about complaining that those who attack
> * > Anglo paedophiles should leave them alone, calling people
> * > 'racist' simply for legitimate use of the term 'Anglo'
> *
> * As with "warped Anglo appetites", you lying racist shitpig?
> *
> * > (although
> * > he's completely biased and partisan, as he doesn't mind using
> * > that term, and defends the far more abusive 'raghead', himself!
> *
> * Feel free to show something you think might pass as evidence that
> * I've defended that term, liar.
> *
> * > > Search the whole of Usenet if you like:
> * >
> * > Ned, no one who knows you and your former, now defunct
> * > racist website, has any doubts about your racism.
> *
> * There is no such thing as my "former, now defunct" website, liar,
> * let alone a racist one.
> *
> * > You have publicly opposed ever nomination of well known
> *
> * The True Blue Hall of Fame was intended to showcase battlers who
> * weren't celebrated elsewhere, not the celebrities and media darlings
> * who were all that you, with your typical ignorance of True Blue,
> * could think of.
> *
> * > and
> * > well loved aboriginals as true-blues.
> *
> * Such as Billy Dempsey?
> *
> * Oops, nope. I nominated him. And Guano showed up his ignorance of
> * True Blue yet again, by failing to ask the obvious question. Later,
> * in message <slrnab0g82....@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>, I
> * supplied the justification he failed to ask for:
> *
> * > * In Billy's case it's very simple. We went to school together, and as
> * > * adults, we drank together. In the Darwin competition, we played footy
> * > * against each other.
> * > *
> * > * IOW, we know each other.
> * > *
> * > * Billy's part aboriginal. In Darwin that didn't mean much, but he
> * > * copped a lot of shit in WA: they wouldn't even let him in a pub.
> * > * The coppers harassed him a lot. He stuck to his guns, though,
> * > * and became one of the best players in the WAFL, and as I said
> * > * before was Captain of the WA interstate side in 1970.
> * > *
> * > * A genuine True Blue battler who made good.
> *
> * Only now, over a year later (in mentioning Kathy Freeman's character),
> * does Guano show a glimmer of understanding. A very dim one.
> *
> * > You told everyone Albert
> * > Namatjira could not be considered a true-blue because he was an
> * > Arunta man!
> *
> * Guano has been trying to create and exploit confusion between
> * "true blue" (as in "genuine" or "fair dinkum") and "True Blue"
> * (the cultural designator) since before act-b was created. Note
> * the difference between what he wrote on the quoted post below
> * and the above statement: he's now putting "a" in front of it,
> * in a pretence that he meant "True Blue" in that post. He's
> * trying to force a different meaning on the whole exchange.
> *
> * > Blatant prejudice, bigotry and racism!
> *
> * And those are among your milder vices.
> *
> * > # From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
> * > # Subject: Re: Latham spits on sydney's western suburbs
> * > # Newsgroups: aus.politics, aus.culture.true-blue
> * > # Date: 2002-07-22 07:32:52 PST
> *
> * When are you going to learn how to use Google efficiently, Guano? The
> * message id is <slrnajo61p....@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>, you
> * moronic loon.
> *
> * > # > "I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
> * > # > he's an Arunta)" - Ned Latham
> * > #
> * > # That's right.
> * >
> * > In the same post Ned confirmed his racist view
> * > thet Kathy Freeman could not be considered a true-blue
> * >
> * > # > "She isn't a True Blue, because she's a mainstreamer",
> * > #
> * > # That's right. The mainstream culture isn't the culture we call True
> * > # Blue, it's the mainstream culture.
> *
> * Where, oh where, would Guano be without misrepresentation? Let's have
> * a look at the whole of that part of the post, hmm? Note his use of
> * "true-blue" throughout, and see my comment above about his efforts
> * to create and exploit confusion about "True Blue".
> *
> * > * > Ned on why he claims Cathy Freeman can't be true-blue:
> * > *
> * > * Wrong again, liar. I've said nothing that even implies she can't
> * > * be true blue.
> * > *
> * > * > "She isn't a True Blue, because she's a mainstreamer",
> * > *
> * > * That's right. The mainstream culture isn't the culture we call True
> * > * Blue, it's the mainstream culture.
> * > *
> * > * > Ned on why he claims Albert Namatjira can't be true-blue:
> * > *
> * > * Wrong again, liar. I've said nothing that even implies he wasn't
> * > * true blue.
> * > *
> * > * > "I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
> * > * > he's an Arunta)"
> * > *
> * > * That's right. The Arunta culture isn't the culture we call True Blue,
> * > * it's the Arunta culture.
> * > *
> * > * Do try to keep up.
> *
> * > If you accepted Ned's weak post-hoc racist excuse for excluding
> * > Kath, without even discussing her character,
> *
> * Her character? Her *cultural* affiliation is the most relevant factor
> * in working out what her culture is, you moron.
> *
> * And from her public acts, it's very clear that she's a mainstreamer.
> *
> * > because she was popular
> * > with aussies of all backgrounds,
> *
> * Sharon Stone was too, freak. Doesn't make her a True Blue.
> *
> * > what NEd calls 'mainstream'
> * > then the late Slim Dusty would also have to be excluded because
> * > his State Funeral was packed with the Establishment!
> * >
> * > And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
> * > then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
> * > and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
> *
> * What's this "excluded" shit, Guano? If someone's not sane, like
> * you, they're not "excluded" from sanity, they just don't have the
> * attributes of sanity.
> *
> * Simple, really.
> *
> * > It's absurd! Ned just looks for EXCUSES for what is clearly his
> * > minority hatred, bigotry and racism.
> * >
> * > Kath is a true-blue heroine,
> *
> * Bullshit. She was an athlete. Athletes aren't heroes.
> *
> * (The astute reader will notice the shift in meaning of his
> * "true-blue" here. Anyone wanna accuse him of having integrity?)
> *
> * > a lovely girl, and loved by decent
> * > Aussies everywhere.
> *
> * You could have said the same about Elizabeth Windsor when she
> * was young. Doesn't make her a True Blue, fuckhead.
> *
> * > Why do bigots like Ned
> *
> * They don't. As you demonstrate all too frequently.
> *
> * > ALWAYS
> * > have to be bitter whiners, haters and knockers!?
> * >
> * > > search the whole web if you
> * > > like: search back through the entire existence of the Internet if
> * > > you like, you useless, cowardly, lying piece of shit.
> * >
> * > Ned always gets abusive when he has been exposed as a Liar,
> * > a racist, and a fraud.
> *
> * Larf. Your diseased rantings expose nothing but your need for
> * treatment, freak. Get back on your medication.
> *
> * > To show what a hypocrite he is, he claims my criticism of Anglo
> * > paedophiles,
> *
> * But how often and how virulently does he attack non-anglo paedophiles?
> *
> * > and people like Ned who support them, are 'racist'
> * > attacks on Anglo's, when clearly they are attacks on criminals
> * > and paedophiles!
> *
> * Maybe if you attacked non-angloes with the same virulence, we could
> * imagine that you're not bigoted because you hate everyone, but the
> * fact is, you don't. Your style is to rant about "anglo paedophiles"
> * when other posters condemn those whose criminality is culture-based,
> * such as those Muslim rape gangs.
> *
> * > I AM an anglo,
> *
> * Oh? What happened to the Kelt, "fasgnadh"?
> * Was that just more posturing?
> *
> * > me mate Marky, who Ned also
> * > slanderously abuses
> *
> * Liar. But do feel free to show something you think fits that
> * statement.
> *
> * > with no effect, is an Anglo!
> *
> * Much to their shame, I'm sure.
> *
> * > Ned is a knocker, a whiner, a bitter bigot consumed by hate.
> *
> * You wish.
> *
> * > Even his mate Nev was big enough to get over being done by
> * > the true-blues,
> *
> * He was never "done" by the True Blues, you liar.
> *
> * (The astute reader will have noticed that Guano's meaning of
> * "true-blue" has shifted again.)
> *
> * > and was willing to have a go, contributing
> * > something to the true-blue culture.. but not Ned;
> *
> * Bullshit, you lying snake. Have you forgotten my poetry already?
> * Here's a litte reminder (you can sing it to the tune of "The Old
> * Bark Hut"):
> *
> * The Dummy Spit.
Readers who haven't yet read it will see it when they fetch the post
quoted above to verify that all Guano could do this time was cut and
paste a slew of accusations that had already been shown up for the
ranting lunatic bullshit that they are. This time, another little
gem about Guano. You can sing this one to the tune of the Searchers'
hit "When You Walk In The Room":
Guano's Lament.
I can feel a sick sensation in my head,
I can see a great big searchlight flashing red,
What it lights is rushing by in streaks and blurs,
And I can hear the Black Helicopters.
I can hear the Voices whisp'ring soft and low,
They are saying Satan has me booked below,
They are saying that the Gorgon says I'm hers,
And I can hear the Black Helicopters.
Maybe if I took my pills
I wouldn't have so many eerie ills
But I would have to go and see my shrink
And maybe he'd say "Guano, you're for clink".
I can feel a something pounding in my brain,
I wear a tin hat but it seems to be in vain,
I can hear the Beast behind me as it stirs,
And I can hear the Black Helicopters.
Now why aren't those two, and my other poems, on your defamatory
website, Guano?
Oh, that's right: they don't vilify and abuse the people you hate
and fear: they laugh at *you*.
Get back on your medication, freak.
----snip----
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > >
> > > And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
> > > then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
> > > and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
> >
> > Ned was talking about their cultures,
>
> Liar!
Pushing your CV under people's noses again, Guano?
----snip----
> > not the racial pedigrees you seem
> > so interminably obsessed with.
>
> You are the only maggot ranting about 'racial pedigrees',
You're the one who does that sort of thing.
You're the one who screeches out the lie that my cultural
characterisation of Albert Namatjira and Cathy Freeman is
ethnic or racial.
You're the one who rants about "Anglo" and "white" criminals
when someone brings up Muslim terrorism or rape gangs.
You're the one who tried to assert that paedophilia is a strictly
Anglo perversion.
----snip----
> > I don't recall him saying Namatjira "can't be a true-blue" in any other
> > sense than that someone who is culturally A is therefore not culturally
> > B.
>
> Liar.. he AUTOMATICALLY excluded him because he was 'Arunta'!
Culturally. Just as aboriginal Billy Demspey is a True Blue: culturally.
Get yourself an honesty implant, freak.
Ned Latham
> "Baraholka" wrote:
----snip----
> > I would like to take the challenge that Fasgnadh's opponents will not.
>
> Well done Sirrah! Ned, Nev, Putzl, Enlightenment and the other
> handful of loud but ignorant racists have all scurried away and
> refused the challenge!
Liar. From my message <slrnbibr9...@arthur.valhalla.oz>:
> * > Really? And what are the distinct characteristics common to all
> * > negroes that don't occur in any other set of populations in homo
> * > sapien sapiens?
> *
> * In combination: very dark skin; prognathous face; thick lips; large
> * gluteus maximus; long limbs; high proportion of fast-twitch muscle;
> * low proportion of body hair; oval cross-sectioned head hair; low
> * incidence of myopia, cleft palate and basal cell carcinoma; tendency
> * to sickle-cell anaemia (adaption to malaria)...
> *
> * Dunno all of them. Big dicks?
Why is it that none of you race deniers can face that, Guano?
Oh, that's right: it's because you're a mob of ideological
flat-earth morons.
Ned Latham
----snip----
> I only call racists, racists.
Liar. Not only do you call me racist despite the fact that I'm not,
you refrain from calling yourself racist, though you are.
> Based on their explicit racism in usenet,
Such as your attempt to characterise paedophilia as a strictly Anglo
perversion in <am1aqt$1kj7$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>?
"Of course, recent cultural influences, especially American sexual
infantilism has seen a dramatic rise in anglo pedophiles, and even
mature women seek to look like little girls to satisfy the warped
Anglo apetites".
----snip----
> "THE GREAT RACE CHALLENGE"
>
> Sign up now, I will use some of the standard images of a variety of
> humans and you can all show us how their 'races' can be easily identified.
Peter Wicks: ..........................................
Any other racist: ..........................................
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had nothing to
> do with his painting.
What a cretin.
These racists, not satisfied with claiming they can determine another
persons culture, and define them as excluded, can only maintain their
idiocy by claiming that painting has nothing to do with culture! B^p
They actually are so desperate to reject a famous black artist that
they will ignore and lie about one of the most inspirational artists
of the Australian this nation has ever produced.
What next from these cultural fascists and blind bigots, will they
claim Slim Dusty's songs aren't part of his culture,
or John Williamsons aren't part of his?
Oh no, they are whitefellas, Nev and Ned have different rules,
all based on skin colour.
> His painting would have been an outgrowth of his
> culture only if he had spent his formative years in the tutelage of
> other artists whose methods he absorbed through imitation before
> improving upon what he had picked up from them. His painting was a
> one-off gift - a tribute to his individual talent and dedication as an
> artist, not something he owed to any Australian culture you may be
> trying to retrospectively assign him to as if he were no more than the
> latest boomerang or digiridoo you were misappropriating for a logo.
>
Can anyone believe that twaddle!? B^D
Namatjira used Western Paints, Brushes, and Canvases and painted
in the Western art tradition.. but with a unique aussie vision which
has scarcely been matched by any subsequent artist.
If he's not a fair dinkum aussie cultural contributor, no one is!
There is no point arguing with such ignorance, because it is clearly
driven by prejudice. Ned and Nev continually invent, (with no supporting
evidence for their speculations) absurd claims such as "this black artists
work is not part of his culture".. but other artists work is! B^P
Disgraceful!
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Rohan" <ro...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> > news:f28a1552.03103...@posting.google.com...
> > > nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> > news:<1g3nr1w.166q97e1orijc0N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
>
> > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta
> > AND true-blue,
>
> In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk bottle
> at the same time. It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
> unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or more
> cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively to
> one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
> 'Crikey' at the same time?
You just did! B^D
Now because you just demonstrated your acculturation is that of a Yankee,
you can no more be a true-blue, than an Arunta could be, ACCORDING To YOUR
LOGIC!
> > and thus by logic, it must be impossible in their view to
> > be Anglo and true-blue, (Which rules out Simpson, but maybe not his
> > donkey! or Jewish and true-blue, etc etc...
And sure enough Nev just confirmed that IS his view, while he simultaneously
showd he is multi-acculturated, and therefore, by HIS logic, ruled
out of being a true-blue!
fasgnadh
> Rohan <ro...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>
> > Though I'm far from prepared to debate what makes one "true blue".
> > Appears to me that term provides us with an invigoratingly free moving
> > target.
>
> Particularly to fasgnadh who acts as though his life depends on keeping
> the term as perpetually ambiguous as possible.
Rubbish, I agree with the definitions Che advanced when you and the other
PHONies were asked what 'true-blue' meant and blatheringly revealed
that you didn't have a clue. After attacking him for daring to do what
none
of you could, provide an indicative, not prescriptive, list of some of the
Key true-blue values and attributes, you and your cronies were ultimately
forced to admit he had done a pretty good job in defining core true-blue
values.
Our difference is that I believe ANYONE holding, and acting on those
values in their life, is entitled to be called true-blue, wheras you and
Ned serially invent shifting abiguous and irrational pretexts for
excluding blacks and others
For example, in order to deny that Namatjira, the quintissential
aussie bush painter, could be a true-blue, you made the incredible
claim that his painting had no relation to his culture!? B^p
We never hear you say Slim Dusty's songs had no relation to HIS
culture... it is something you only do to black people.
..
> I think, personally, that attributing such monumental importance to mere
> words is unnaturally obsessive.
Nev now wants to exclude language from culture!
Just because he is incompetent in using it!
We have all seen him and Ned attack posts about aussie
painting, poetry and numerous other activities true-blues claim the
right to be proud about, and even to engage in themselves,
without the permission of two do-nothing, know-nothing, bigots.
Neville Duguid
> What next from these cultural fascists and blind bigots, will they
> claim Slim Dusty's songs aren't part of his culture,
> or John Williamsons aren't part of his?
But they are. Their harmonies and vocal styles clearly derive from the
earlier generations of Australian country singers and musicians who
taught and inspired them. That is ONE major distinction between them and
Namitjira. Namitjira may have helped forge a branch of Australian art
if other Aussie artists subsequently use his art as a foundation for
their own in a way that distinguishes them from overseas "namitjirists".
But Namitjira's painting style at the time he was devising it was not a
part of Australian culture any more than the Italian who invented Pizza
was part of Aussie culture simply because his invention later became
adopted by Australians.
The other thing you overlook is that there is a distinction between High
(as in highbrow) Culture and Low (or common) Culture. Aussie True Blue
culture is the Common Culture of all True Blue Aussies, i.e., it is, or
was, shared by a majority of the nation's population. It is not immune
from overseas influences, but only by observing the impact and
persistence of overseas imports over an extended period of time can you
assess what effect outside influences have on Aussie culture. High
culture OTOH is culture that is consciously aspired to, most
characteristically by parents with 'upwardly mobile' aspirations for
their children and wealthy housewives with time on their hands. It
includes piano and ballet lessons, art appreciation, foreign languages.
These are things that any Australian can be taught, but the fact that
some rich kid just got taught to play Chopin's Etude 999 (or if Che
Guava just paid for his kids to do 'Speech and Drama' to purge them of
their Aussie accents) does not make those "arts" therefore part of True
Blue Aussie culture. It is similar with paintings like those of
Namitjira. Maybe they predominate in museums and art galleries, but the
typical True Blue Aussie would not know, because s/he typically does not
frequent such places.
I doubt any school of painting is part of Aussie True Blue culture. Cave
paintings are or were part of Aboriginal cultures. You claim dot
paintings are, and maybe they are by now. But I would dispute that there
is *any* style of visual art that is part of Aussie True Blue culture.
Not just now, but in Namitjira's day as well. That is why I claim his
painting is not part of True Blue Aussie culture - because the output of
NO OTHER famous painter, black or white, is part of True Blue Aussie
culture either as far as I am concerned. Some might say Ken Done, or
Jolifee (sp?) but I do not consider commercial art or fashion industry
output to be part of True Blue Aussie culture. It is 'fashion', not
'culture' which goes for voluntary self-extinction every year.
So, if you want to claim such printing press output as part of your
'World Culture' I will concede that maybe it is on the grounds that I
would not claim to know. But your understanding of what True Blue
Aussie Culture is, is so far out of whack with the way the majority of
its participants perceive it, you clearly have no idea what you are
talking about when it comes to that topic. Why not try telling Aruntas
how to be Aruntas for a change, and give us True Blues Aussies a rest
from your missioinary work among us?
Neville Duguid
> >
> > In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk bottle
> > at the same time. It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
> > unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or more
> > cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively to
> > one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
> > 'Crikey' at the same time?
>
> You just did! B^D
>
> Now because you just demonstrated your acculturation is that of a Yankee,
> you can no more be a true-blue, than an Arunta could be, ACCORDING To YOUR
> LOGIC!
That is so vacuously silly, anyone can see you are one of those
nuisances it is best to ignore on the grounds that wasting time is not
the universal preoccupation you regard it as.
You remind me of the horde of half-wits who used to spend all their time
catching buses in Sydney. It never occurred to them that other
passengers might be trying to reach some pre-determined destination
within some reasonably finite time frame. They would catch a bus, get
off at the next stop. Then catch another one, then get off at the next
stop, regardless of where it happened to be. Typically at least one of
them required assistance from the driver with a wheelchair. Obviously
their free bus tickets were the cause of the problem which was deterring
paying passengers from persevering with public transport. I left Sydney
not long after it started, so I don't know whether the metropolitan
transport commission has any paying passengers left. Not long previously
they gave up trying to keep suburban trains running between 1 and 5 am
for related reasons. I fullly expect you will persist with your
equivalent activities until a similar fate befalls usenet..
Ned Latham
> "Rohan" wrote:
> > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And If Namatjira can't be a true-blue because he's an Arunta,
> > > > then all the Irish must be excluded for being Irish,
> > > > and all the Anglo's must be excluded for being Anglo!
> ...
>
> And those who publicly demonstrate they they reject a culture and
> its values CANNOT be part of it;
There you go. Guano himself agrees that he cannot be a True Blue.
----snip----
> > > Having ancestors who were Irish or English or Arunta does not
> > > determine in advance a person's culture.
>
> So why did Ned, who has never met Namatjira,
What makes you think that, moron?
> determine
> that he couldn't be true-blue,
I didn't, liar.
----snip----
> After all he painted in Western art style,
So did Claude Monet, you gibbering loon. Doesn't make him a True Blue.
> showing he moved outside
> his traditional cultural forms, you show no sign of ever leaving
> your insular anglo pro-british, white supremacist heritage.
Can't move out of what he's not in, moron.
> Namatjira contributed to true-blue aussie culture
Bullshit. The cultural style of his work was European. He contributed
to that cringing ape-the-Europeans cultural tradition favoured by the
establishment and their flunkies.
> in a way which
> demonstrated his deep understanding and spiritual links to the bush,
> you have never shown any cultural contribution beyond admiring
> capitalist entrepeneurs who flog consumer goods!
>
> Namatjira was actually persecuted for sharing!
He was caught supplying alcohol to wards of the state. *Anyone* who
did that and was caught went to gaol for it. Not just Namatjira.
----snip----
> It takes us true-blues
You are neither true blue nor a True Blue, Guano. You're a running
yellow dog of the establishment.
> to know Namatjira is one, it takes you
> racists to only know racial exclusion, just like Namatjira faced
> when he wanted a beer.
That is a lie. Namatjira faced no exclusion for wanting a beer. His
problem with it was that he supplied beer to his skin group, who were
wards of the state.
----snip----
> Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta
> AND true-blue,
Wrong again, liar. Neither of us has asserted that.
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> >
> > Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had nothing
> > to do with his painting.
>
> What a cretin.
>
> These racists, not satisfied with claiming they can determine another
> persons culture, and define them as excluded, can only maintain their
> idiocy by claiming that painting has nothing to do with culture!
Wrong again, moron. Namatjira's culture was Arunta. His painting was in
a style derived from European culture. Nothing to do with each other.
Or with True Blue.
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> > "Rohan" wrote:
> > >
> > > Though I'm far from prepared to debate what makes one "true blue".
> > > Appears to me that term provides us with an invigoratingly free
> > > moving target.
> >
> > Particularly to fasgnadh who acts as though his life depends on
> > keeping the term as perpetually ambiguous as possible.
>
> Rubbish, I agree with the definitions Che advanced
Gee. Guano agrees with himself. How surprising.
> when you and the
> other PHONies
Getting confused again, Mr PHON reject? In these newsgroups, it's *your*
crowd that has the PHON members, remember?
> were asked what 'true-blue' meant and blatheringly
> revealed that you didn't have a clue. After attacking him for daring
> to do what none of you could, provide an indicative, not prescriptive,
> list of some of the Key true-blue values and attributes, you and your
> cronies were ultimately forced to admit he had done a pretty good job
Bullshit. Your pathetic by-the-numbers drivel was an object of scorn.
> in defining core true-blue values.
Larf. Where's your mention of *the* core value, our indifference to
culture in valuing people?
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
----snip----
> > I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
> > 'Crikey' at the same time?
>
> You just did!
Wrong again, liar.
Ned Latham
in <1g3q2u2.1mw55qqzzer28N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>:
----snip----
> You remind me of the horde of half-wits
He *is* a horde of half-wits.
Nyk
"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bnqon1$1fv1$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au...
>
> "Nyk" <nyk...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3fa07...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > "The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:nfOnb.169940$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >
> > > "Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > > > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
> > >
> > > Self Praise is No Praise.
> > >
> > He might go off like an idiot sometimes, but he has prolly more
> > supporters than you bunch of "right-wing" tossers.
> > Certainly, more intelligence.
>
> I confess to a theatrical, some say rhetorical, flourish...
> if I did not entertain myself while dealing with such dolts,
> it would become exceedingly tiresome.
>
> The occasional verbal excess gives them a chance,
> it's like handicapping a thoroughbred. ;-)
> (and I note which of them respond only to the flippancy
> and avoid the substance like a lead enema, ...it marks out
> the particularly weak intellectual lightweights ;-)
I must say you have given many moments of cheer and cheers.
Although occasionally your like a naughty little boy poking a stick through
the cages at some mean spirited animal (I'm looking at you Nev)
Your baiting of enfeeblement though, is completely appropriate.
He really comes off like one of those Grand Wizard types you see in the
"New" KKK. All good natured unreason and psuedo-drivel.
As far as you being a white hating racist... pft.
But I'm beginning to wonder about Ned.
Sure, he's verbal.
Sure, he's agressive.
Sure, he's an arsehole.
But then, so are we....
I'm sure he falls on the opposite side of the fence from us on the "Does
Race Exist, or is it a Social Construct" debate, but does that make him an
automatic "racist"?
I fear we may be making the same fast mistake as our opponents by labeling
him just because he disagrees.
He sure don't like you though.
I had a debate/argument/slanging match with Ned just a little while ago.
I did the google thing and I find lotsa bad press. He can be a real
frothing-at-the-mouth loony sometimes, sure. But as far as something like
the "mulatto" incident...
So I'm gonna retract the "Ned is a Racist", I think.
He believes in Race, thats all.
And I guess I owe him an apology.
You get that Ned?
aw crap, i'm gonna have to make this official, ain't i.
fasgnadh
> > > news:f28a1552.03103...@posting.google.com...
> > > > nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> > > news:<1g3nr1w.166q97e1orijc0N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> >
> > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND true-blue,
> >
Everyone understand the issue? According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were !runta!? B^p
Despite the fact he is an Aussie, a proven mate, and a seminal, true-blue
Australian artist, fusing western art styles (brushes/canvas/perspective)
with aboriginal understanding of the land (form,feeling, emaining), and
use of real aussie landscape colours.. to produce a fair dinkum,
distinctive, unique, original and recognisable cultural contribution!
But Nev and Ned, despite their Anglo heritage, their failure to
contribute anything to aussie culture, (except bitching whining
and moaning about those that do!), claim they are not only true-blue,
but that they alone have the right to say who is, and who isn't!
Lets see how fast those cultural fascists run from the issue (unlike
Namatjira and Jack Thompson, who never ran from a stousch ;-)
> > > In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk
bottle
> > > at the same time.
Hey, fucktard, if you put water in a milk bottle or milk in a water
bottle, does that change anything? B^D Otherwise how did ANY
of your Anglo ancestors EVER BECOME true-blue aussies!? B^D
A few little tips, a) cultural change is possible. b) ethnicity does not
have
to define culture. Namatjira is demonstrably a fair dinkum aussie artist,
you are demonstrably not. His claim to the culture is stronger than yours,
just ask any Aussie! B^D (not your fellow One Nation bigots and
racists!)
Anyway, lets see if anyone else wants to agree with you two morons
that you can't be "an Australian" and a "true-blue" at the same time! B^D
> > > It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
> > > unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or
more
> > > cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively
to
> > > one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
> > > 'Crikey' at the same time?
> >
> > You just did! B^D
> >
> > Now because you just demonstrated your acculturation is that of a
Yankee,
> > you can no more be a true-blue, than an Arunta could be, ACCORDING To
YOUR
> > LOGIC!
>
I can't believe Nev would advance such simpleminded twaddle as he did,
and then complain that anyone who shot it to shit by pointing out it's
logical fallacies was being 'silly'! B^ But thats our Nev! B^D
> That is so vacuously silly,
Of couse YOUR 'logic' is vacuously silly, thats why I posted mocking it!
First YOU assume the right to arbitrarily assign Namatjira's culture,
you do this on the basis of the ETHNICITY of his forebears,
(this would make you an Anglo) ignoring that he almost
singlehandedly CREATED the true-blue bush painting realism,
(when his traditional Arunta mates were doing dot paintings, and your
Anglo culture was still using the colours of the English countryside!!!)
Then you declare members of this ethnicity cannot be a true-blue!
(This would mean no Anglo's could be true-blue either, unless you
are coming out as an overt racist! )
You are not fooling anyone, you racist shitpigs; EVERYTHING you
invent as pretexts for excluding one of our most original, fair dinkum
Aussie Bush painters, is equally applicable to you as an Anglo,
and known adherent to Anglo culture, from Coronation Teatowels
to Charles and Diana Mugs.
Unlke you, fair dinkum true-blues do not discriminate on the basis
of bloodlines, that is RACISM, but we judge behaviour, the actions
which confirm stated beliefs. Namatjira was a man whose work
(and life) DEMONSTRATES his love and deep understanding
of this country which few Anglo painters have
managed, and which you have NEVER demonstrated!
So tell us again, what is it about Albert Namatjira, apart from
black skin, which makes you racists so determined to enforce your
SELF-APPOINTED roles as cultural fascists!?
Any decent aussie can see that Namatjira has been
a central influence on the development of true-blue art, his paintings of
the country capture it's essence...
It is you Anglophiles with your imported lawns, your imported monarchy, your
imported forelock tugging of the monarchy, the Presidency, or any other
aristo who bends you over, and your defence of paedophiles and child
stalkers
like Ned Latham, which are shown to live and act in opposition to true-blue,
not Namatjira.
Why is it that Nev and Ned, representatives of a tiny, politically motivated
minority of One Nation fundamentalists, law breakers and racist bigots want
to continue to use culture as a weapon of DIVISION?
Why do they constantly attempt these pathetic reactionary rants where they
pretend
they have the divine Anglo right to be Massa, and decide who is in their
'club'
and who isn't? TRUE-BLUE IS NOT A CLUB, not only do you bigots
not own it, you don't even demonstrate that you can be a meaningful part of
it!
The rest is of Nevs' post is hollow abuse, mere baseless opinion unrelated
to
the facts at hand, personal attacks on me rather than debating the issue,
ignoring the rational argument because Nev's case is not rational, it is
racist bigotry of the worst kind, and he cannot defend it, so he tries smoke
and mirror distractions.
The substantive debate preceeded this point, and so most of it was cut
by Nev. I leave his irrelevant ramblings as worthy of nothing but
mockery and derision (which means that is the only part Nev and Ned
will pursue, and having turned the thread to pure ad hom, they will then
complain if I kick their arses at that as well! ;-)
> anyone can see you are one of those nuisances
Of course my rational argument is a nuisance to your irrational racism.
> it is best to ignore
That is how the majority of Aussies treat your dog-in-the-manger
racist assertion that Cathy Freeman cannot be a true-blue because
she is 'mainstream' (see how they change their pretext for EXCLUSION
at a whim, so long as they think it excludes the blacks! And yet
they don't seem to realise, they have just excluded the MAJORITY
of Aussies from being regarded as true-blues!? 8^o).
Hey, Nev, you lying piece of shit crank, YOUR ONLY NOMINATION
FOR THE TRUE BLUE HALL OF FAME WAS HARVEY NORMAN,
A **MAINSTREAM** COMMERCIAL CORPORATE CAPITALIST
SALESMAN OF ASIAN APPLIANCES!
> on the grounds that wasting time is not
> the universal preoccupation you regard it as.
It is you and Ned who have wasted the last three years passionately
defending
One Nation prejudices that Australians are simply not interested in.
Your Anglo White Australia bigotry is dated and useless, no one sees any
future
in deliberately expending energy on hating and excluding people we live
with and get along with. No one shares your PRESCRIPTIVE view of
aussie culture, as a whites-only club. You must have really hated Nino
Cullotta
as a boy, because O'Grady dealt with all of your fears and hatreds decades
ago,
you racists just shift your racism from Italians and Greeks, to Balts and
Germans and
Turks, then Vietnamese, and now Muslims.
What you ignore, and Namatjira you hate because he reminds everyone of this,
is that YOU are the strangers here, the foreign dogs-in-the-manger who
cannot
understand this land, and so reject Namatjira's great true-blue art. and are
still trying to KEEP THE BLACKS OUT.. just like you did to Namatjira,
jailing him for buying his mates a beer, when Nev and Ned would not
allow them in pubs... can you hear how their arguments have not changed;
"Namatjira can't [insert anything from vote or own land to drink or have
a bank account] because he's an Arunta, not an Anglo"
> You remind me of the horde of half-wits
No need to bring your family into this, sure they left your arse
as red and bruised as I do, but in my case it is only from KICKING IT!
B^D
> who used to spend all their time catching buses in Sydney.
What a nuisance, if you didn't have to regularly cash your dole cheques,
and deal with your sisters pregnancies to you and your dad, you all could
have had more banjo-pluckin time on the verandah!
> It never occurred to them that other
> passengers might be trying to reach some pre-determined destination
> within some reasonably finite time frame.
That is because, man and boy, (which in your case includes the females)
your retard relatives are iggerent pig-fuckers.
> They would catch a bus, get off at the next stop.
Hereditary syphillis sure takes a toll on your family IQ, Nev...
> Then catch another one, then get off at the next
> stop, regardless of where it happened to be.
When you eat from dustbins it hardly matters which suburb you dine in.
> Typically at least one of
> them required assistance from the driver with a wheelchair.
Who but the Duguids would bludge off the driver with a wheelchair?
> Obviously their free bus tickets were the cause of the problem which was
deterring
> paying passengers from persevering with public transport.
Typical redneck dipshit logic. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT YOU ARE
INCREDIBLE BRAINDEAD FUCKTARDS WITH NO SOCIAL
CONSCIENCE.
In the hands of genuine true-blue pensioners, the travel concessions are
a Godsend and assist them to shop, visit the doctor, and see friends
to avoid the lonliness to which isolated elderly people can succumb.
Why does it not suprise us that the only aussies you know are your
family 'horde of half-wits', who abuse and rort the system, just like
your criminal leader, convicted fraud Pauline Hanson, known to
honest, hard-working, decent and law abiding true-blues as
prisoner C70079! B^p
> I left Sydney not long after it started,
Sometime in the late 1700's? That explains your rancid stench
and why your opinions are all stale, old and retrograde.
> so I don't know whether the metropolitan
> transport commission has any paying passengers left.
Add it too the long list of things you don't know, and are too
stupid ro even intelligently speculate about.
> Not long previously
We think you mean, 'Not long subsequently.." but with you
English is always an unlikely option. You must be grateful for
multi-linguistic government forms, so you can read your Dole
forms in your native Gibber.
> they gave up trying to keep suburban trains running between 1 and 5 am
> for related reasons.
OK.. we have finally worked out what your long, insanely rambling rant
is about.. you miss Mussolini!
> I fullly expect you will persist with your
> equivalent activities until a similar fate befalls usenet..
Thanks for that riveting diversion about why your fucktard cousins
get on and off trains, If I understand you correctly it's because, like you,
their lives are empty and meaningless. Now, if you ever manage
to have a half-coherent thought on true-blue culture, re Namatjira,
why don't you post it in aus.trains
Neville Duguid
> "Neville Duguid" <nevi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:1g3q2u2.1mw55qqzzer28N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au...
> > "fasgnadh" aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > > "Rohan" <ro...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> > > > news:f28a1552.03103...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> > > > news:<1g3nr1w.166q97e1orijc0N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> > >
> > > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND true-blue,
> > >
>
> Everyone understand the issue? According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
> can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were !runta!? B^p
Except for one minor detail, neither Ned nor myself have ever made any
such claim. The whole "issue" is a strawman also known as the "race
card" whereby 'fasgnadh' or one of his 'good cop' sockpuppets always
introduce Aborigines into any discussion of True Blue topics that looks
like it might be starting to get somewhere.
No one can find any evidence of your strawman claims other than previous
iterations of your own self-referenced propaganda, simply because none
exists. All you do is interpret the terms 'Arunta' and 'True Blue'
racially when they are intended culturally and culturally when they are
intended racially, typically mixing both usages in a manner guaranteed
to thwart anyone's efforts to comprehend what was actually being said.
I for one have grown weary of providing grist for your propaganda mill
and will shortly be putting you back in my killfile where you belong.
> Despite the fact he is an Aussie, a proven mate, and a seminal, true-blue
> Australian artist, fusing western art styles (brushes/canvas/perspective)
> with aboriginal understanding of the land (form,feeling, emaining), and
> use of real aussie landscape colours.. to produce a fair dinkum,
> distinctive, unique, original and recognisable cultural contribution!
> But Nev and Ned, despite their Anglo heritage, their failure to
> contribute anything to aussie culture, (except bitching whining
> and moaning about those that do!), claim they are not only true-blue,
> but that they alone have the right to say who is, and who isn't!
>
> Lets see how fast those cultural fascists run from the issue (unlike
> Namatjira and Jack Thompson, who never ran from a stousch ;-)
>
> > > > In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk
> > > > bottle at the same time.
>
> Hey, fucktard, if you put water in a milk bottle or milk in a water
> bottle, does that change anything?
My very next sentence was "It can be a mixture of both." You are
obviously more intent in creating false impressions than responding
honestly and forthrightly to any point I actually make.
> B^D Otherwise how did ANY
> of your Anglo ancestors EVER BECOME true-blue aussies!? B^D
>
> A few little tips, a) cultural change is possible. b) ethnicity does not
> have
> to define culture. Namatjira is demonstrably a fair dinkum aussie artist,
> you are demonstrably not. His claim to the culture is stronger than yours,
> just ask any Aussie! B^D (not your fellow One Nation bigots and
> racists!)
>
> Anyway, lets see if anyone else wants to agree with you two morons
> that you can't be "an Australian" and a "true-blue" at the same time! B^D
If anyone is moron enough to be hoodwinked by you into believing that
Ned or myself said anything remotely like that, more fool them. All you
have done is state the exact opposite of what we *have* frequently said,
and attributed your own "revisionism" to us. That is equivalent to some
1770's contemporary saying Captain Cook never visited Australia -
without even bothering to check if he was dead first.
> > > > It can be a mixture of both,
Like I said.. What is the use of talking to some moron who, in the final
analysis, prefers talking to himself?
[ snip! ]
> > >but it is being unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully
> > >culturated in two or more cultures as someone whose acculturation has
> > >been devoted exclusively to one. I mean, how can someone reflexively
> > >exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and 'Crikey' at the same time?
> >
> > You just did! B^D Now because you just demonstrated your
> > acculturation is that of a Yankee, you can no more be a true-blue, than
> > an Arunta could be, ACCORDING To YOUR LOGIC!
> >
>
> I can't believe Nev would advance such simpleminded twaddle as he did,
> and then complain that anyone who shot it to shit by pointing out it's
> logical fallacies was being 'silly'! B^ But thats our Nev! B^D
No, that was "fasgnadh" you just responded to. You really have lost the
ability to distinguish between real people and your own echo, haven't
you?
>
> > That is so vacuously silly,
>
> Of couse YOUR 'logic' is vacuously silly, thats why I posted mocking it!
>
> First YOU assume the right to arbitrarily assign Namatjira's culture,
> you do this on the basis of the ETHNICITY of his forebears,
No. YOU presumed to do that when you accused Lisa of not putting him in
her list of "Top 10 True Blues". The fact that she had no such list and
was not even contemplating such a non-True Blue act as heirarchically
ranking people accorrding to their alleged "acceptability" to their own
birth culture, did not faze you in the slightest.
All this crap about Ned and Myself allegedly claiming Namitjira was not
a True Blue comes from the fact that Lisa did not ditch whatever else
she was doing to hastily compile an instant list of arbitrarily
conscripted Aborigines as the "Top True Blues" the moment you started
pressuring her to do so. Quite apart from all the other reasons which
have already been explained to you over and over again, she probably
*knew* by then that even if she had TOTALLY FILLED such a list with your
nominees, you would have simply switched to another strawman to beat her
over the head with instead. Like maybe "Top Ten Respecters of
Independence for Aussie Women" with yourself occupying the number one
spot, or some equally hypocritical pose coming from you.
> (this would make you an Anglo) ignoring that he almost
> singlehandedly CREATED the true-blue bush painting realism,
> (when his traditional Arunta mates were doing dot paintings, and your
> Anglo culture was still using the colours of the English countryside!!!)
>
> Then you declare members of this ethnicity cannot be a true-blue!
I have never mentioned their 'ethnicity'. YOU are the one who is
obsessed with it to the point you hear it being talked about even when
no one else apart from yourself even mentions it.
> (This would mean no Anglo's could be true-blue either, unless you
> are coming out as an overt racist! )
Q: Are you using that term racially, culturally, 'ethnically' (whatever
that means) or what?
A: You are sitting on the fence waiting to see how I use it so you can
pretend I used it the opposite way of what I did.
I am sick of your attempts to turn anything you can misquote into
another excuse of beating Aussies over the head.
> You are not fooling anyone, you racist shitpigs; EVERYTHING you
> invent as pretexts for excluding one of our most original, fair dinkum
> Aussie Bush painters, is equally applicable to you as an Anglo,
Which is precisely what I said. Namely, I do not rate the paintings of
*ANY* famous painter, black or white, as "part of True Blue Aussie
culture", you duplicitous disreputable deviate.
> and known adherent to Anglo culture, from Coronation Teatowels
> to Charles and Diana Mugs.
You think "Coronation Teatowels" are part of True Blue Aussie culture?
And you run a FAQ on the subject! Cearly you haven't a clue what True
Blue Aussie culture is.
> Unlke you, fair dinkum true-blues do not discriminate on the basis
> of bloodlines, that is RACISM, but we judge behaviour, the actions
> which confirm stated beliefs. Namatjira was a man whose work
> (and life) DEMONSTRATES his love and deep understanding
> of this country which few Anglo painters have
> managed, and which you have NEVER demonstrated!
What about you? What about the other 18,999,999 non-AlbertNamitjira
Australians? Can you pass the test you arbitrarily set in order to
"exclude" those you don't like? That is the real trouble here. You
project your own perverse dictatorial standards on to everyone else. You
go around uttering slogans hoping someone else will be stupid enough to
agree with you so you can accuse them with absolute certainty of lying.
> So tell us again, what is it about Albert Namatjira, apart from
> black skin, which makes you racists so determined to enforce your
> SELF-APPOINTED roles as cultural fascists!?
Nothing, on all counts. It is your beat-up - your fantasy - you are
giving voice to.
> Any decent aussie can see that Namatjira has been
> a central influence on the development of true-blue art, his paintings of
> the country capture it's essence...
But you are using the word 'true-blue' in a different sense than I
normally use it, and deliberately so as always, rendering your statement
quite different in meaning from any I have ever made.
> It is you Anglophiles with your imported lawns, your imported monarchy, your
> imported forelock tugging of the monarchy, the Presidency, or any other
> aristo who bends you over, and your defence of paedophiles and child
> stalkers
I have absolute contempt for a certain class of pommy epitomised by
Addinall and Brian and have often said so. To call me an 'Anglophile' is
merely to prove that you make no attempt to take on board anything I say
as opposed to what you reinvent me as saying, even when I take far more
pains than you to express myself accurately, clearly and truthfully. As
far as I was concerned, that was the main attraction of a cultural
newsgroup dedicated to True Blue Aussie culture. A place where old-time
Aussies like Slim Dusty would once again be free to talk among ourselves
in our own relaxed way without being perpetually interrogated about what
we allegedly "really meant" by people determined to misrepresent and
vilify us.
If the day ever comes when a majority of Aussies want commissars like
you standing over them censuring their every alleged thought and
utterance, then they can have you on the grounds they didn't do enough
to spare themselves such a fate.
> like Ned Latham, which are shown to live and act in opposition to true-blue,
> not Namatjira.
>
> Why is it that Nev and Ned, representatives of a tiny, politically motivated
> minority of One Nation fundamentalists, law breakers and racist bigots want
> to continue to use culture as a weapon of DIVISION?
Why do you beat your so-called "anti-racist" drum as loud and long as
you have to, to get us back on your favourite topic every time we look
like "straying" on to something else?
> Why do they constantly attempt these pathetic reactionary rants where they
> pretend they have the divine Anglo right to be Massa, and decide who is in
> their 'club' and who isn't? TRUE-BLUE IS NOT A CLUB, not only do you
> bigots not own it, you don't even demonstrate that you can be a meaningful
> part of it!
Namitjira may well have been a True Blue Aussie. My argument is that
*he*, not you, should be the one to say which culture he belongs to. YOU
might feel entitled to conscript him to *your* culture - that is one of
the ways I can tell that you are not culturally True Blue. The True Blue
way is to let people speak for themselves. Even though he is now dead,
his memory is entitled to the same respect and consideration as if he
were still alive. A True Blue Aussie would not just shove him into a
booth marked 'True Blue' like you just attempted to do to Namitjira
without ascertaining first that that is how he and his descendents want
or would have wanted him to be remembered.
> The rest is of Nevs' post is hollow abuse, mere baseless opinion unrelated
> to
> the facts at hand, personal attacks on me rather than debating the issue,
> ignoring the rational argument because Nev's case is not rational, it is
> racist bigotry of the worst kind, and he cannot defend it, so he tries smoke
> and mirror distractions.
I don't have to make a case because I didn't have any point to make on
the subject in the first place. Everything else you have attributed to
me on the topic has been your own deliberate beat-up - a sure sign you
have no real use for such a discussion group other than to fight over
who "owns" it. (Identical motivation to those "investors" who want to
own a whole street of huge empty houses while people who need somewhere
to stay sleep in their rellies' tool sheds.)
What I did say was that I could not nominate Namitjira as the No. 1 True
Blue because, apart of rejecting the very concept of such a blatant
attempt to heirarchise our egalitarian ways, I had no way of knowing
whether his primary identification was with that culture or not. IOW I
would not run the risk of trying to steal him on behalf of other True
Blues, no matter how well-intentioned, just because one megalomaniac
suddenly saw him and his legacy as a potentially valuable acquisition.
No True Blue Aussie would do such a thing, because that is not the True
Blue way.
And I was hardly going to let those who were then feigning an inability
to understand what True Blue culture even was, to brand someone whose
culture they could not possibly know a 'True Blue' unless they knew him
personally AND were sufficiently familiar with whatever culture they
were trying to decree him a member of to make such a judgment.
That is where this so-called "argument" started, and, after a million
words wasted trying to talk to a post, is how it remains.
You are the one who needs to make a case if you indeed have something
relevant or worthwhile to say - something I have seen no evidence of so
far.
> The substantive debate preceeded this point, and so most of it was cut
> by Nev. I leave his irrelevant ramblings as worthy of nothing but
> mockery and derision (which means that is the only part Nev and Ned
> will pursue, and having turned the thread to pure ad hom, they will then
> complain if I kick their arses at that as well! ;-)
Given your compulsion for projecting your own deeds and motivations on
to others, I will also close with that statement, only with "fasgnadh"
insightfully substituted for "Nev" and "Ned" ;-)
[ Snip the rest of your vile imaginings which obviously came from the
same diseased source as everything else you write ]
tipper
Define "Race" Nyk.
Then explain why it is a "Social Construct" (I'll agree that what passes for
an intelligent discussion on "race" amongst 3rd rate pseudo-intellectuals,
who are shit scared of offending anyone, is nothing but "social Construct")
I don't mind how you try to define race. It can be as hysterical as fagnuts
spittle spraying revisionism, with his adherence to discredited Marxist
Lysenkoism, or more refined like Cavalli-Sforza, take on race
Before you start, you might want to see what you might be getting yourself
into
Seven Dumb Ideas about Race
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/cavalli-sforza_ii.htm
Also try not to get as confused as fagnuts, and try and include tranzi
definitions such as "legal definitions"
You know the "one drop of negro blood" definition used by Aboriginals and
American Blacks.
<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html>
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Neville Duguid" <nevi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:1g3q2u2.1mw55qqzzer28N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au...
> > > "fasgnadh" aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > > > "Rohan" <ro...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> > > > > news:f28a1552.03103...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> > > > > news:<1g3nr1w.166q97e1orijc0N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> > > >
> > > > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND true-blue,
> > > >
> >
> > Everyone understand the issue? According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
>
> Except for one minor detail, neither Ned nor myself have ever made any
> such claim.
# From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# Subject: Re: How do you tell someone is a true-blue?
# Newsgroups: aus.culture.true-blue, aus.history, aus.politics
# Date: 2002-04-08 03:16:42 PST
#
# I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
# he's an Arunta),
..
> No one can find any evidence of your strawman claims other than previous
> iterations of your own self-referenced propaganda, simply because none
> exists.
You Redneck Racists should learn to read instead of mating with
your siblings;
# From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# Subject: Re: How do you tell someone is a true-blue?
# Newsgroups: aus.culture.true-blue, aus.history, aus.politics
# Date: 2002-04-08 03:16:42 PST
#
# I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
# he's an Arunta),
> All you do is interpret the terms 'Arunta' and 'True Blue'
> racially when they are intended culturally and culturally when they are
> intended racially, typically mixing both usages in a manner guaranteed
> to thwart anyone's efforts to comprehend what was actually being said.
Namatjira painted with Western perspective, brushes, paints
and canvas.. you have already told us your view that one
cannot be part of TWO cultures, so Arunta clearly refers
to his ethnicity when you and Ned use it, or are you liars
willing to say anything, depending on the circumstances?
"In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk bottle
at the same time. It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or more
cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively to
one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
'Crikey' at the same time?"
- Neville Duguid, unable to grasp that ALL OF US ARE MULTICULTURAL!
Namatjira did not paint in traditional dot paintings, nor did
he use traditional ochres, nor did he hunt for food.. his culture
was the mix of aboriginal, western, and his own unique contribution.
It is universally recognised as Australian, a seminal influence
in the development of fair dinkum representation of the country
we all love.. as accurate in capturing the true-blue essence
of the country as Dorothea MacKellar's "I Love a Sunburnt country"
He was never a famous celebrity like Slim.. (Nev and Ned also demand
that celebrities are struck off the true-blue roll! 8^o )
but his work was widely recognised and appears on our stamps,
where ordinary people can see and celebrate his contribution
to Aussie culture.
We true blues are sick and tired of The Men Who Come Behind,
like Ned and Nev, the whiners and wingers who say Cathy Freeman
and Slim Dusty can't be considered true-blues as they are celebrities!
Bullshit! If Aussies become successfull because othr aussies take
them to heart, who are Ned and Nev to gainsay it? Those two are
useless do-nothing dogs-in-the-manger who's only role is to tear
others, those who have a go, down! B^p
> > Despite the fact he is an Aussie, a proven mate, and a seminal, true-blue
> > Australian artist, fusing western art styles (brushes/canvas/perspective)
> > with aboriginal understanding of the land (form,feeling, emaining), and
> > use of real aussie landscape colours.. to produce a fair dinkum,
> > distinctive, unique, original and recognisable cultural contribution!
> > But Nev and Ned, despite their Anglo heritage, their failure to
> > contribute anything to aussie culture, (except bitching whining
> > and moaning about those that do!), claim they are not only true-blue,
> > but that they alone have the right to say who is, and who isn't!
> >
> > Lets see how fast those cultural fascists run from the issue (unlike
> > Namatjira and Jack Thompson, who never ran from a stousch ;-)
> >
As predicted, Nev turns rancid coward and can't defend his lies, again;
" I for one have grown weary of providing grist for your propaganda mill
and will shortly be putting you back in my killfile where you belong."
> > Anyway, lets see if anyone else wants to agree with you two morons
> > that you can't be "an Australian" and a "true-blue" at the same time! B^D
>
> If anyone is moron enough to be hoodwinked by you into believing that
> Ned or myself said anything remotely like that, more fool them.
"In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk
bottle at the same time. It can be a mixture of both"
So Namatjira CAN be an Arunta and a true-blue, just like
Slim Dusty can be a Christian and a true-blue!
> [ snip! ]
>
> > > >but it is being unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully
> > > >culturated in two or more cultures as someone whose acculturation has
> > > >been devoted exclusively to one.
I totally reject this argument by Nev that Slim Dusty
cannot be a true-blue because he is 'culturated' in Christian
Hymns, American C&W, European instruments and Western music!
What Nev is claiming here is a myth of PURE CULTURE, which not
even Slim Dusty or Albert Namatjira achieves, which is identical
to the 'PURE RACE" that these neo-fascists, Ned and Nev, proclaim
when they brand all of us Anglo-Celts as "Mongrels" because we are not
"pure" Ayrans in their filthy racist philosophy;
# From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
# Subject: Re: more lies by "f" the denier
# Message-ID: <slrnbnruj...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
# Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:31:06 GMT
#
# ----snip----
#
# > Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt.
#
# So you claim that you're a mongrel.
#
What does Ned mean by this derogatory term?
"a person not of pure race" - Ned Latham
From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
Subject: Re: Ned Latham describes Anglo-Celts as "Mongrels"
Message-ID: <slrnbo0i0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
I know of only TWO voices who do not accept that Albert
Namatjira made a seminal contribution to true-blue Aussie
culture, two whining, carping racists; Neville Duguid and
Ned Latham.
Every pretext they have advanced applies to other true-blues
like Slim Dusty, but there reasons are clear. They are willing
to sunder every lonk between painting and culture, music and
culture, poetry and culture, values and culture, in there desire
to exclude a blackfella.
When it is pointed out that their arbitrary and false barriers
would also exclude Slim Dusty, or Dorothea MacKellar, they simply
invent new layers of absurdity to their falsified pretexts.
Subject Slim Dusty Albert Namatjira Cathy Freeman
Ethnicity Anglo* Arunta ?
Celebrity YYYY YY YYYY
Mainstream YYYY Y YYYY
Mixed
Culture GMCA WAI WI
trueblue
according to
trueblues Y Y Y
trueblue
according to
NEd and Nev ? N N
Mixed culture codes:
G- European Guitar
M- Western Music, notation
C- Christian lyrics, cultural beliefs
A- Aussie content, originality
W- Western cultural influence
A- Aussie content, originility
I- Indigenous cultural influence
* - "Mongrel", according to Ned Latham, ie, "not racially pure"
fasgnadh
this is a repost;
"Nyk" <nyk...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:3fa46...@news.iprimus.com.au...
They aren't caged. Except by their own ignorance and prejudice.
They are free, to engage, or run, (or, as they usually do, engage then run.
;-)
Moreover, they hunt in packs, which should give them an advantage, (but
rarely does. B^)
> Your baiting of enfeeblement though, is completely appropriate.
> He really comes off like one of those Grand Wizard types you see in the
> "New" KKK. All good natured unreason and psuedo-drivel.
My approach in dealing with dangerous fascists, racists and Nazis
(Real ones, not some Liberal's slander when frightened by the Greens ;-)
is guided by a variation on rule 303;
'Only one thing would have stopped our movement - if our adversaries
had understood its principle and, from the first day, had smashed with
the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement' -Adolf Hitler
Pass me that stout length of 4x2 would you...
> As far as you being a white hating racist... pft.
Nothing gives me greater pleasure than them trying to pretend
that longstanding opposition to Hanson makes me a PHONie,
or that satirising their racist obsession with every crime committed
by an ethnic (but not the ANGLO PAEDOPHILES.. oh no! ;-)
makes me anti-anglo.
> But I'm beginning to wonder about Ned.
Everyone does eventually.
His parents did,
then his doctors...
> Sure, he's verbal.
but it's only grade level comprehension and logic.
> Sure, he's agressive.
but it's obsessive robo-posting spammed across usenet.
> Sure, he's an arsehole.
But you have only listed his best features! B^D
Sure he's a hypocrite and liar.
Sure he fabricates other peoples posts
Sure he wages obsessive ad hom vendetta's against
completely innocent parties based on no more than
his own delusions, personal animus, and hatred,
And he cyberstalks kids.
Sure he advocates slavery and the political opression of women.
Sure he protects paedophiles, racists and Nazis, and attacks
those who attack them.
Sure he advocates submission to dirty old perverts, rather
than resisting their advances with restrained but firm assertiveness.
but he's also witless, humourless, dull and dishonest.
> But then, so are we....
Speak for yourself! B^p
His child stalking episode shows him to be what my dad called
'a weak maggot'
in Ned's case, someone prepared to attack kids to get at their dad.
> I'm sure he falls on the opposite side of the fence from us on the "Does
> Race Exist, or is it a Social Construct" debate, but does that make him an
> automatic "racist"?
He falls on the other side of the fence from true-blues in the human
decency,
integrity, intelligence and personal hygene stakes, but that's not the basis
for him being categorised accurately as a racist.
And it's not just based on his support for the PHONIes using aus.culture
for political purposes.. despite their consistent scapegoating of ethnic
groups.
Ned has a history, he rides shotgun for every overt racist and Nazi
to post in aus.culture.true-blue, every supporter of the White
Australia Policy, and refuses to acknowledge the contribution
to Australian culture by prominent true-blue aussies such as Albert
Namatjira.
We are not talking about disagreements over aesthetics, taste is
just a matter of taste, but his attempt to PRESCRIPTIVELY
define, and EXCLUDE people from being consdered true-blue
is based on racism. His strange, evasive and idiosyncratic historical
definition of true-blue terminates with the granting of citezenship
and other rights to aboriginals. A white Anglo, monocultural
society is Ned's dream, and he despises contempory tolerant
diverse and multicultural diversity.
Mosley, tripper and Enlightenment are more overt,
"All Asians are beneath us" "
Ned is usually
more sly, inventing bogus 'cultural' arguments to attack and reject
blacks.. eg "Namatjira can't be true-blue, because he's Arunta"
but Ned hypocritically claims you CAN be true-blue AND Anglo!
Now he couldn't use that argument for Cathy Freeman, she's
clearly part of the mainstream.. so.. "Cathy freeman can't be true-blue
she's too MAINSTREAM" B^D There is only one pattern to Ned's
argument, skin colour. He merely uses vague and imprecise cultural
rambling to disguise it.
But sometimes the same derogatory racist language as his
cronies, slips out:
# From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
# Subject: Re: more lies by "f" the denier
# Message-ID: <slrnbnruj...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
# Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:31:06 GMT
#
# ----snip----
#
# > Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt.
#
# So you claim that you're a mongrel.
What does Ned mean by this derogatory term?
"a person not of pure race" - Ned Latham
From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
Subject: Re: Ned Latham describes Anglo-Celts as "Mongrels"
Message-ID: <slrnbo0i0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
__________________
Or his attack on 'perfidious jews' (sic) for killing Jesus;
# From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# Subject: Re: Did Caliph Umar Really Burn the Library At Alexandria
# Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient
# Date: 2001-05-06 07:37:15 PST
#
#
# Saint wrote in <a_aJ6.3919$7_1.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>:
# > Ned Latham wrote
# > > Adolf was a good little Catholic boy. Guess where he got the idea,
"Saint"?
# >
# > Do not be ridiculous.
#
# He got it from your stinking religion, that's where. He knew his
# catechism, did Adolf. And he knew it said "perfidious Jew". And he "knew"
that it
# was the Jews who killed Jesus.
______________________
> I fear we may be making the same fast mistake as our opponents by labeling
> him just because he disagrees.
I haven't. I call him a racist for using race as the basis of his
denigration of others, or anti-semitism, as shown.
> He sure don't like you though.
I have run rings around him, exposed him, and defeated him.
He hates me with a passion.
I think of him as too pathetic to hate, but just right as a teaching aide.
;-)
> I had a debate/argument/slanging match with Ned just a little while ago.
They all follow the same pattern, he ends up denying the
common meaning of words when cornered, inventing new, idiosyncratic
meanings for words in an attempt to hide his contradictions and basic
errors of fact, monosylabbic responses ('liar')
and then obsessive and venomous stalking of the opponent who bests him..
> I did the google thing and I find lotsa bad press. He can be a real
> frothing-at-the-mouth loony sometimes, sure.
I hold the Championship pennant for riling him, though,
...he actually publishes bogus monthly 'stats' dedicated to his vendetta!
B^D
I haven't seen so much pointless effort since Nev spent over $40 dollars
(around $6/minute) for a tape of Che on the ABC, which he transcribed
by hand (not accurately, but what can you expect from Nev ;-)
No one in their right mind would spend $6 per minute for Ned's drivel! B^D
> But as far as something like
> the "mulatto" incident...
Ned was exposed as a racist long before that...
He was challenged along with the other racists in the post
THE GREAT RACE, which preceeded the mulatto debate..
and, without checking, I recollect the mulatto debate as being
chiefly with their Bogpond Sockpuppet O'Donnel, (and
Enlightenments retreating back), not Neddles. Most of his posts
i let go through to the keeper.. too pathetic to bother with.
> So I'm gonna retract the "Ned is a Racist", I think.
Using derogatory terms like "mongrels" to describe Anglo-Celts
is old fashioned racist rhetoric, spurious nonsense about 'pure races'
went out with the Nazi's.. someone has to tell throwbacks like
Ned and Stan Pierce.
And their intent is clear. They use division for political purposes.
> He believes in Race, thats all.
A Spiritualist believes in Spirits
A Racist believes in Race.
"language is a poor enough means of communication
I think we should use all the words we've got"
- Spencer Tracy explaining why he swore is
appropriate to deal with this new PC that you
shouldn't call someone who uses racist terminology
to denigrate others, a racist! B^p
An intelligent, rational human does not use racist insults like
mongrel to denigrate all anglo celts. Especially when our
common African ancestry means none are more or less
'racially pure'.. a concept only of use to those who wish to
divide humanity, as the Nazis did, by 'putting down' the 'mongrels'.
> And I guess I owe him an apology.
Have you called him a racist without good cause? tsk tsk..how
regrettable. I prefer to do so on the firm ground of his own racism.
I'm sure Ned will let you kiss his arse, ..if you can get Nev's
head and tongue out of it first.
> You get that Ned?
> aw crap, i'm gonna have to make this official, ain't i.
Why don't you start a new NG apologising to Ned for calling him
a racist, just because he calls you a mongrel... you could call it
aus.forelock.tugger or perhaps aus.political.correctoid. ;-)
fasgnadh
> "Nyk" <nyk...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3fa46...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bnqon1$1fv1$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au...
> > >
> > > "Nyk" <nyk...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:3fa07...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> > > >
> > > > "The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > > > news:nfOnb.169940$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Baraholka" <wo...@placename.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ByLnb.233$vR2....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > > > > > fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This whole thread is a conclusive victory to fasgnadh
Aw shucks, which thread involving the dumb rednecks isn't! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA!
After months of that question being put as a challenge
to those who still believe in such 18th century gobbledegook,
tripper, one of those who has consistently refused to
accept the challenge, asks those who DON'T believe in it
to help him out! B^D
"Oh sure I believe in ghosts, yeah, i red summit that
reckins ghosts are tranzi-dimenshunal etherial thingamebobs,
it wus reel scientific.. here's a weblink, cos I didn't
unnerstand it well enough to 'splain it to youse!
Could youse 'splain it back to me!? " B^D
Sure tripper, i can explain it to you;
Humans are a single race, with phenomenal individual
diversity. In the early, pre-scientific stages of their
developnment, they made superficial judgements; (eg women
are weak, the Others over the hill are evil).
Their fears seized on those who LOOKED different. thus
old crones were deemed to be witches, and burnt.
You can imagine their horror when they encountered
black skinned brothers with less advanced technology.
(or from the opposite side, white ghosts who took
everything) Naturally they formed theories to excuse
taking everything, primarily that the blacks were
inferior (the sort of things the Japanese could have
said if they encountered Europeans three centuries
earlier, based entirely on social development, not
inherent capabilities)
Racism became one of the crimes of the millenium,
culminating in the mass extermination of Jews,
and Gypsies under the Nazis, the brutality of the
Japanese to conquered peoples, slavery, which built
the American economy, aparteid and countless other
expressions of this dangerous social construct.
> Then explain why it is a "Social Construct"
I just did, although there was no basis for it other than
misconceptions based on physical appearance, which would
equally support the fat 'race', the short 'race' and the
stupid racist 'race', it was an important belief
justifying the opression of other peoples, part of colonialism.
These days it fuctions as a means of 'divide et empera'.
It is much easier for the ruling class to rule if they
can divide people. Any arbitrary distinction will do,
religion, hair length, cafe late drinking, foccaccia
fondling, academic status, body piercing, skin colour...
This serves in the vital cause of scapegoat creation,
and deflects attention from the rorting by the real
(economic) elites.
> I don't mind how you try to define race.
I'm sure you don't, anything would be an improvement on the
hysterical, fact-free, internal contradictions which have resulted
from the racists inability to do so! B^D
No wonder you want to try and pass the responsibility
on to those you intuitively realise have a better
chance due to their innate intelligence.. those who
define racism as they define spiritualism;
Spiritualism: the irrational and dangerous belief in ghosts.
Or we could try and define what it ISN'T, which is all you
can manage;
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!
> Seven Dumb Ideas about Race
1. that it exists
2. that it serves any useful purpose
3. that a racist can explain it
4. that the red-haired race is superior to the blue-eyed race
5. that there is a red-haired or blue-eyed race
6. that it is bloody obvious blue-eyed people are different
so stop farting around and admit that it's common bloody
knowledge the blue-eyed race exists.
7. Anyone who disagrees and tries to suggest blue-green eyes
destroy the scientific exactitude and value of the blue-eyed
race theory is a wanker, just trying to confuse us
8. clearly there are as many possible eye colour configurations
as their are individuals on the planet and thus the number
of races equals the number of individuals! B^D
9. Ignore that last proof that race is such a useful construct
that it defines any cluster between 1 individual and the
entire species! B^D
10. Anyone who doubts the existance of the blue-eyed, humpbacked,
fat arsed, bald headed and small dicked race (all racists
seem to be part of this one) can see the logical refutation
of their heresy at the following website;
> http://www.vdare.com/sailer/cavalli-sforza_ii.htm
Thanks, that really helped.. now i know I must defend
the large-brain-and-penis race against all the little dick
racists, even if that means stuffing the 'mongrels' (TM Ned
Latham) of 'impure race' (TM Ned and Adolf) into ovens! B^D
Now try to be a humourless prat like tripper, and beg
your opponents to define your beleifs for you! B^D
..
> and try and include tranzi
> definitions such as "legal definitions"
Tripper has 'defined' the 'tranzi' 'race' as all those
who have opinions differing from his own.
It is the classic example of a social construction.
It saves him from thinking.
That is the fundamental purpose of racism.
Q.E.D.
Time for one last strawman, where one racist mocks
the stupidity of other racists!
Neville Duguid
> nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> news:<1g3t148.9sbqgi1wrfjlcN%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> >
> > All you do is interpret the terms 'Arunta' and 'True Blue'
> > racially when they are intended culturally and culturally when they are
> > intended racially, typically mixing both usages in a manner guaranteed
> > to thwart anyone's efforts to comprehend what was actually being said.
>
> Namatjira painted with Western perspective, brushes, paints
> and canvas..
And a phillips-head screwdriver has two intersecting slots in its head
giving a matching screwdriver more purchase than might otherwise be the
case. So what? Why spam me with stuff that has no interest or relevance
to me whatsoever?
Art appreciation classes are next door.
> you have already told us your view that one
> cannot be part of TWO cultures, so Arunta clearly refers
> to his ethnicity when you and Ned use it, or are you liars
> willing to say anything, depending on the circumstances?
>
> "In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk bottle
> at the same time. It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
> unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or more
> cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively to
> one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
> 'Crikey' at the same time?"
> - Neville Duguid, unable to grasp that ALL OF US ARE MULTICULTURAL!
>
> Namatjira did not paint in traditional dot paintings, nor did
> he use traditional ochres, nor did he hunt for food.. his culture
> was the mix of aboriginal, western, and his own unique contribution.
So, you finally admit he acquired his artistic techniques from sources
other than the True Blue Aussie culture you initially selected a victim
at random to spam with that misinformation?
> It is universally recognised as Australian, a seminal influence
> in the development of fair dinkum representation of the country
> we all love.. as accurate in capturing the true-blue essence
> of the country as Dorothea MacKellar's "I Love a Sunburnt country"
> He was never a famous celebrity like Slim.. (Nev and Ned also demand
WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products, but manufactured and
packaged by different companies. Both are as "Aussie" as each other,
although if "fasgnadh" hears someone claim one is imported he will
reflexively claim it is more "Aussie" than its locally produced
equivalent. But so what? The excuse for a man is obviously a nut case.
> that celebrities are struck off the true-blue roll! 8^o )
> but his work was widely recognised and appears on our stamps,
> where ordinary people can see and celebrate his contribution
> to Aussie culture.
Yair, right. We can all visualise it. The crowd walks straight past ANZ
Stadium on Grand Final night. Intrepid news reporter feigns surprise and
asks blonde with deliberately ripped-open blouse, accompanied by what
looks like pin-cushion on legs, standard rhetorical question:
"Where yuz all goin'?"
"We are going to see and celebrate an Acknowledged Cultural Icon's
contribution to Aussie culture. Like man, where've ya been?!!!"
> We true blues are sick and tired of The Men Who Come Behind,
> like Ned and Nev, the whiners and wingers who say Cathy Freeman
> and Slim Dusty can't be considered true-blues as they are celebrities!
"That's the one! Dusty Freeman! See, didn't I tell yaz I never forget
the name of a Acknowledged Cultural Icon?!"
> Bullshit!
Indeed. So why persist with it?
Ned Latham
> "Nyk" wrote:
----snip----
> > As far as you being a white hating racist... pft.
Then check out:
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"), forger and liar - 0006.
Message-ID: <slrnbeigo...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") presents false evidence - 0002.
Message-ID: <slrnbnpnf...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"), forger and liar - 0009.
Message-Id: <slrnbnrv0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
Particularly the last, which documents his attempt to make it
appear that paedophilia is a strictly Anglo perversion.
----snip----
> > But I'm beginning to wonder about Ned.
>
> Everyone does eventually.
Nope. Only people who assume too much.
> His parents did,
> then his doctors...
Those two statements, obviously, are lies.
> > Sure, he's verbal.
>
> but it's only grade level comprehension and logic.
The posturing establishment flunky who was educated beyond his
capacity to understand again tries to slag off someone for being
less educated than himself.
> > Sure, he's agressive.
>
> but it's obsessive robo-posting spammed across usenet.
Translation: well-organized evidence of Guano's obsessive and abusive
trolling.
> > Sure, he's an arsehole.
>
> But you have only listed his best features!
In Guano's opinion. But then, Guano's a mad dog. It's to be expected
that his idea of good features would be as twisted as his mind.
> Sure he's a hypocrite and liar.
If I were, he could post evidence of it. But what does he do?
Oh, yes: he mouths off. He has never substantiated those two
accusations.
> Sure he fabricates other peoples posts
If I did, he could post evidence of it. But what does he do?
Oh, yes: he misrepresents my attribution lines. He has never
substantiated that accusation.
> Sure he wages obsessive ad hom vendetta's against
> completely innocent parties based on no more than
> his own delusions, personal animus, and hatred,
Translation: contests lies and liars, especially the mad dog variety.
> And he cyberstalks kids.
>
> Sure he advocates slavery and the political opression of women.
Translation: democracy. See:
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") lists his lies - 0001.
Message-ID: <slrnact1q5....@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"): snip, spin and rant - 0003.
Message-ID: <slrnag2ir3....@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") has another insane delusion - 0005.
Message-ID: <slrnbfka0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
> Sure he protects paedophiles, racists and Nazis, and attacks
> those who attack them.
Translation: counters Guano's lunatic, ranting accusations against
those who disagree with him.
> Sure he advocates submission to dirty old perverts, rather
> than resisting their advances with restrained but firm assertiveness.
Larf. I showed up Guano as a wannabe poofter-basher from his own peurile
bragging about pulling a knfe on some poor coot he *thought* might be
a poofter coming on to him.
See:
Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") denies evidence - 0001.
Message-ID: <slrnabhrs7....@arthur.valhalla.net.oz>
----snip----
> But sometimes the same derogatory racist language as his
> cronies, slips out:
>
> # From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
> # Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
> # Subject: Re: more lies by "f" the denier
> # Message-ID: <slrnbnruj...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
> # Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:31:06 GMT
> #
> # ----snip----
> #
> # > Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt.
> #
> # So you claim that you're a mongrel.
>
> What does Ned mean by this derogatory term?
>
> "a person not of pure race" - Ned Latham
Larf. Guano's *still* sooking over being the butt of a play on the word.
> From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
> Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
> Subject: Re: Ned Latham describes Anglo-Celts as "Mongrels"
> Message-ID: <slrnbo0i0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
>
> Or his attack on 'perfidious jews' (sic) for killing Jesus;
Tch. Guano's desperation is leading him around by the nose again. That's
a quote from the Catholic catechism as it was in Hitler's day.
> # From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
> # Subject: Re: Did Caliph Umar Really Burn the Library At Alexandria
> # Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient
> # Date: 2001-05-06 07:37:15 PST
> #
> #
> # Saint wrote in <a_aJ6.3919$7_1.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>:
> # > Ned Latham wrote
> # > > Adolf was a good little Catholic boy. Guess where he got the idea,
> # > > "Saint"?
> # >
> # > Do not be ridiculous.
> #
> # He got it from your stinking religion, that's where. He knew his
> # catechism, did Adolf. And he knew it said "perfidious Jew". And he
> # "knew" that it was the Jews who killed Jesus.
Note the words carefully: 'he knew [the catechism] said "perfidious Jew"'.
Why is Guano attacking me for what was the Catholic Church's official
position for nearly two thousand years, but not attacking the Catholic
Church for it?
Oh, that's right: he's a ranting, hatefilled lunatic, desperate to find
some way of hanging some sort of shit on me.
> > I fear we may be making the same fast mistake as our opponents by
> > labeling him just because he disagrees.
>
> I haven't.
Guano's reason is more complex than that. I show up his lies and
misrepresentations repeatedly; In fact, I have, with the assistance
of his lunatic ranting, destroyed his credibility. And I did it
without sinking to his level.
Perhaps even worse, I defeat him artistically.
He hates me with all the fury of the frustrated fanatic and all
the envy of the jealous mediocrity.
----snip----
> > I had a debate/argument/slanging match with Ned just a little while ago.
>
> They all follow the same pattern,
False. There are two patterns.
1. In interaction with honest debaters, I either ask reasonable questions
or give reasonable answers, depending on the situation.
2. In interaction with dishonest debaters, I counter their statements.
If they get abusive, I give it back to them. And I characterise them
according to their behaviour.
Simple, really.
----snip----
> > I did the google thing and I find lotsa bad press. He can be a real
> > frothing-at-the-mouth loony sometimes, sure.
>
> I hold the Championship pennant for riling him, though,
That Guano makes his infamy a proud boast is an indication of his insanity.
> ...he actually publishes bogus monthly 'stats' dedicated to his vendetta!
That's two lies. The stats are genuine, and they show up Guano's vendetta.
> I haven't seen so much pointless effort since Nev spent over $40 dollars
> (around $6/minute) for a tape of Che on the ABC, which he transcribed
From "The Dummy Spit" (to the tune of "The Old Bark Hut"):
He got on talkback radio and asked if he could sue,
His alias had been subjected to a smack or two,
The host and guest tried not to laugh but couldn't hold it back,
And "I think you've got problems, Peter" was their crack.
But the Dummy Spit - Oh! the Dummy Spit,
No-one's ever beaten Guano at the Dummy Spit.
----snip----
> > He believes in Race, thats all.
>
> A Spiritualist believes in Spirits
>
> A Racist believes in Race.
Guano again demonstrates his inability with logic by stating truisms
that are the converses of what he wants the reader to believe.
He wants the reader to believe, from those truisms, that belief in
spirits is spiritualism and belief in race is racism, But those
converses are not true, just as the converse of the truism "a sexist
believes in sex" is "belief in sex is sexism", which isn't true.
----snip----
> > And I guess I owe him an apology.
>
> Have you called him a racist without good cause? tsk tsk..how
> regrettable. I prefer to do so on the firm ground of his own racism.
But you can't, so you lie. Gee. Can you guess how sad it makes me
that you're frustrated over that?
Larf.
----snip----
> Why don't you start a new NG apologising to Ned for calling him
> a racist, just because he calls you a mongrel... you could call it
> aus.forelock.tugger or perhaps aus.political.correctoid. ;-)
Well, there you go, Nyk. You express uncertainty over one of
the accusations that've been levelled against me and Guano goes
ballistic. Have you ever in your life seen a more hysterical
reaction to a little soul-searching?
fasgnadh
> "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> > wrote
> > nevi...@bigpond.net.au (Neville Duguid) wrote in message
> > news:<1g3t148.9sbqgi1wrfjlcN%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>...
> > >
> > > > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND
true-blue,
> > > >
> >
> > Everyone understand the issue? According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
> > can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were 'Arunta!? B^p
>
Nev likes to snip his lies when they are exposed, I like to see the truth;
> Except for one minor detail, neither Ned nor myself have ever made any
> such claim.
# From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# Subject: Re: How do you tell someone is a true-blue?
# Newsgroups: aus.culture.true-blue, aus.history, aus.politics
# Date: 2002-04-08 03:16:42 PST
#
# I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
# he's an Arunta),
Neville Duiguid is a liar and a fraud.
..
Lets
Subject Slim Dusty Albert Namatjira Cathy Freeman
Ethnicity Anglo* Arunta ?
Celebrity YYYY YY YYYY
Mainstream YYYY Y YYYY
Mixed
Culture GMCA WAI WI
trueblue
according to
trueblues Y Y Y
trueblue
according to
NEd and Nev ? N N
Mixed culture codes:
G- European Guitar
M- Western Music, notation
C- Christian lyrics, cultural beliefs
A- Aussie content, originality
W- Western cultural influence
A- Aussie content, originility
I- Indigenous cultural influence
* - "Mongrel", according to Ned Latham, ie, "not racially pure"
No decent aussie can accept the OPINION of two snakes like NEv
and Ned, that they alone, two do-nothing dogs-in-the-manger can
exclude Slim dusty from being regarded as true-blue simply because
he shares the European, American and Christian cultures! It is NONSENSE
to claim that he is rejected simply because he is not 'Culturally Pure" as
Nev has argued;
> >
> > "In the same way that a bottle can't be a water bottle and a milk bottle
> > at the same time. It can be a mixture of both, but it is being
> > unreasonable to expect someone can be as fully culturated in two or more
> > cultures as someone whose acculturation has been devoted exclusively to
> > one. I mean, how can someone reflexively exclaim 'OMYGAAAAAAD' and
> > 'Crikey' at the same time?"
> > - Neville Duguid, unable to grasp that ALL OF US ARE MULTICULTURAL!
> >
> > Namatjira did not paint in traditional dot paintings, nor did
> > he use traditional ochres, nor did he hunt for food.. his culture
> > was the mix of aboriginal, western, and his own unique contribution.
Slim did not rely solely on American C&W, nor did he sing only
Christian Hymns, his culture was a mix of Anglo-Celt, (which the
PHONies denigrate as 'Mongrel' - 'racially impure' (sic) ) Christian
Western Music and his own unique contribution! He may have played a
European guitar, but he sang with an aussie accent!
> So, you finally admit he acquired his artistic techniques from sources
> other than the True Blue Aussie culture
Of COURSE HE DID, SLIM DID NOT INVENT THE GUITAR
YOU FUCKING LOONIE!!!!!!
HE DID NOT INVENT CHRISTIAN HYMNS, OR WESTERN MUSICAL
NOTATION, OR COUNTRY AND WESTERN SINGING OR EVEN
BLUEJEANS!
But that does not prevent us from recognising his fusion of those
foreign cultural influences into a uniquely true-blue aussie contribution
to culture, Just like Albert Namatjira's.
Oh, but you can only accept that if it's a white man, you racist shitpig.
> you initially selected a victim at random to spam with that
misinformation?
No misinformation from me, you lying racist shitpig, you are the one who
snips your lies as they are exposed, and then spins new ones.
> > It is universally recognised as Australian, a seminal influence
> > in the development of fair dinkum representation of the country
> > we all love.. as accurate in capturing the true-blue essence
> > of the country as Dorothea MacKellar's "I Love a Sunburnt country"
> > He was never a famous celebrity like Slim.. (Nev and Ned also demand
> > that celebrities are struck off the true-blue roll! 8^o )
>
> WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products,
I cannot accept you beshirching the name of Slim Duty, a true
gentleman and loved by millions of aussies, by comparing him
to a 'product' !! Why don't you piss off back to protecting paedophiles
and criminal politicians and leave our true-blue champions alone!
> but manufactured and packaged by different companies.
One is indigenous, the other imported.
True-blues do not determine the imported Anglo culture
which Slim used in his music, and Albert in his painting,
to be inferior to the indigenous home grown culture,
which both developed out of their talent to enrich us all...
so why do you try and pretend that the imported Anglo
influence is more important than the local aussie one?
As Slim and Albert are both mixtures of imported cultural
influences and their own aussie creativity, we can only
assume you are prejudiced against the blackfella.
> Both are as "Aussie" as each other,
Finally! Nev agrees Slim and Albert are BOTH true-blue!
> although if "fasgnadh" hears someone claim one is imported he will
> reflexively claim it is more "Aussie" than its locally produced
> equivalent.
Hang on, that's what YOU claimed, not me, - Arunta are indigenous,
Anglos are the imports! B^D
> But so what?
Well, it shows you are a total hypocrite, floundering to support your
racism.
...
> > We true blues are sick and tired of The Men Who Come Behind,
> > like Ned and Nev, the whiners and wingers who say Cathy Freeman
> > and Slim Dusty can't be considered true-blues as they are celebrities!
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
- Ned Latham, damning Slim Dusty just because he was the
greatest recording celebrity this nation has produced!
> "That's the one! Dusty Freeman! See, didn't I tell yaz I never forget
> the name of a Acknowledged Cultural Icon?!"
You are a complete maggot to piss on Slim Dusty's name like that!
He IS an aussie cultural Icon for the decent Aussie mainstream, and just
because two whining, do-nothing, dogs in the manger like you and Ned
whinge jealously that he was a celebrity will NOT diminish him, nor will it
make your claim that such people are not true-blue ever be acceptible to
the genuine true-blues!
>Indeed
Damn RIGHT! Slim Dusty was a celebrity AND a true-blue aussie!
His funeral read like a Who's Who inside the church, and also attracted
thousands of ordinary Aussies.
It's time you marginalized fanatics stop insulting the Australian Mainstream
with your insane culturally fascist claims that you are entitled to declare
the mainstream as excluded from the rolls of true-blue aussies!
fasgnadh
"Ned Latham" <n...@news.apex.net.au> wrote in message
news:slrnbq7p...@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
> in <bntqb6$gl4$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>:
> > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > >
> > > Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had nothing
> > > to do with his painting.
> >
> > What a cretin.
> >
> > These racists, not satisfied with claiming they can determine another
> > persons culture, and define them as excluded, can only maintain their
> > idiocy by claiming that painting has nothing to do with culture!
>
> Wrong again, moron. Namatjira's culture was Arunta.
Who says? You?
I say yours is Nazi. So what?
He is clearly recognised as part of Australia's culture for his
Australian bush paintings. I have only ever heard two people try
and pretend otherwise, you and Neville Duguid, known One
Nation racists and bigots.
> His painting was in
> a style derived from European culture.
BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
Unlike certain Country and Western (Tm USA) singers whose
lyrics were taken from English Hymnals, strumming a European
Guitar, using Western scales and musical notation,
and dressed like a cowboy, Namatjira painted the bush in
AUSTRALIAN COLOURS.. TRUE-BLUE, GREEN, MAUVE
AND PURPLE.
His painting is as original, uniquely Australian in it's content,
and distinctively true-blue in it's love and understanding of
tis country, as Slim Dusty's songs.
But of course he was a blackfella, so you racists choke on it.
> Nothing to do with each other.
Ned confirms that for his band of One Nation philistines and cultural
fascists all Painting, Singing, Dancing, Poetry, Theatre, Writing ..
have nothing to do with culture! 8^o
That excludes any Anglo whose singing or writing was derived
from European culture.. like Slim Dusty.. from being a true-blue in
Ned and Nevs tiny membership of 2 faux troo-bloos! B^D
For Nev and Ned, Kulture is what they do when wrestling pigs,
or something they caught from their sisters which developed in
a Petri dish at the VD clinic.
We know from the past Ned rejects aussie sport, poetry, stories,
footy, and democracy as part of our culture.
He prefers Lyndon LaRouche, Country and Western singers who
dress like cowboys and sing Christian Hymns, and Spartans who
keep slaves and don't let women vote.
And Namatjira went to jail for buying his mates a drink, the sort of
loyalty to mates in the face of racist discrimination that a true-blue
might do, because they really care about A Fair Go,
but not Ned, not ever.
fasgnadh
They aren't caged. Except by their own ignorance and prejudice.
They are free, to engage, or run, (or, as they usually do, engage then run.
;-)
Moreover, they hunt in packs, which should give them an advantage, (but
rarely does. B^)
> Your baiting of enfeeblement though, is completely appropriate.
> He really comes off like one of those Grand Wizard types you see in the
> "New" KKK. All good natured unreason and psuedo-drivel.
My approach in dealing with dangerous fascists, racists and Nazis
(Real ones, not some Liberal's slander when frightened by the Greens ;-)
is guided by a variation on rule 303;
'Only one thing would have stopped our movement - if our adversaries
had understood its principle and, from the first day, had smashed with
the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement' -Adolf Hitler
Pass me that stout length of 4x2 would you...
> As far as you being a white hating racist... pft.
Nothing gives me greater pleasure than them trying to pretend
that longstanding opposition to Hanson makes me a PHONie,
or that satirising their racist obsession with every crime committed
by an ethnic (but not the ANGLO PAEDOPHILES.. oh no! ;-)
makes me anti-anglo.
> But I'm beginning to wonder about Ned.
Everyone does eventually.
His parents did,
then his doctors...
> Sure, he's verbal.
but it's only grade level comprehension and logic.
> Sure, he's agressive.
but it's obsessive robo-posting spammed across usenet.
> Sure, he's an arsehole.
But you have only listed his best features! B^D
Sure he's a hypocrite and liar.
Sure he fabricates other peoples posts
Sure he wages obsessive ad hom vendetta's against
completely innocent parties based on no more than
his own delusions, personal animus, and hatred,
And he cyberstalks kids.
Sure he advocates slavery and the political opression of women.
Sure he protects paedophiles, racists and Nazis, and attacks
those who attack them.
Sure he advocates submission to dirty old perverts, rather
than resisting their advances with restrained but firm assertiveness.
but he's also witless, humourless, dull and dishonest.
> But then, so are we....
Speak for yourself! B^p
His child stalking episode shows him to be what my dad called
'a weak maggot'
in Ned's case, someone prepared to attack kids to get at their dad.
> I'm sure he falls on the opposite side of the fence from us on the "Does
> Race Exist, or is it a Social Construct" debate, but does that make him an
> automatic "racist"?
He falls on the other side of the fence from true-blues in the human
But sometimes the same derogatory racist language as his
cronies, slips out:
# From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
# Subject: Re: more lies by "f" the denier
# Message-ID: <slrnbnruj...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
# Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:31:06 GMT
#
# ----snip----
#
# > Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt.
#
# So you claim that you're a mongrel.
What does Ned mean by this derogatory term?
"a person not of pure race" - Ned Latham
From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
Subject: Re: Ned Latham describes Anglo-Celts as "Mongrels"
Message-ID: <slrnbo0i0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
__________________
Or his attack on 'perfidious jews' (sic) for killing Jesus;
# From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# Subject: Re: Did Caliph Umar Really Burn the Library At Alexandria
# Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient
# Date: 2001-05-06 07:37:15 PST
#
#
# Saint wrote in <a_aJ6.3919$7_1.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>:
# > Ned Latham wrote
# > > Adolf was a good little Catholic boy. Guess where he got the idea,
"Saint"?
# >
# > Do not be ridiculous.
#
# He got it from your stinking religion, that's where. He knew his
# catechism, did Adolf. And he knew it said "perfidious Jew". And he "knew"
that it
# was the Jews who killed Jesus.
______________________
> I fear we may be making the same fast mistake as our opponents by labeling
> him just because he disagrees.
I haven't. I call him a racist for using race as the basis of his
denigration of others, or anti-semitism, as shown.
> He sure don't like you though.
I have run rings around him, exposed him, and defeated him.
He hates me with a passion.
I think of him as too pathetic to hate, but just right as a teaching aide.
;-)
> I had a debate/argument/slanging match with Ned just a little while ago.
They all follow the same pattern, he ends up denying the
common meaning of words when cornered, inventing new, idiosyncratic
meanings for words in an attempt to hide his contradictions and basic
errors of fact, monosylabbic responses ('liar')
and then obsessive and venomous stalking of the opponent who bests him..
> I did the google thing and I find lotsa bad press. He can be a real
> frothing-at-the-mouth loony sometimes, sure.
I hold the Championship pennant for riling him, though,
...he actually publishes bogus monthly 'stats' dedicated to his vendetta!
B^D
I haven't seen so much pointless effort since Nev spent over $40 dollars
(around $6/minute) for a tape of Che on the ABC, which he transcribed
by hand (not accurately, but what can you expect from Nev ;-)
No one in their right mind would spend $6 per minute for Ned's drivel! B^D
> But as far as something like
> the "mulatto" incident...
Ned was exposed as a racist long before that...
He was challenged along with the other racists in the post
THE GREAT RACE, which preceeded the mulatto debate..
and, without checking, I recollect the mulatto debate as being
chiefly with their Bogpond Sockpuppet O'Donnel, (and
Enlightenments retreating back), not Neddles. Most of his posts
i let go through to the keeper.. too pathetic to bother with.
> So I'm gonna retract the "Ned is a Racist", I think.
Using derogatory terms like "mongrels" to describe Anglo-Celts
is old fashioned racist rhetoric, spurious nonsense about 'pure races'
went out with the Nazi's.. someone has to tell throwbacks like
Ned and Stan Pierce.
And their intent is clear. They use division for political purposes.
> He believes in Race, thats all.
A Spiritualist believes in Spirits
A Racist believes in Race.
"language is a poor enough means of communication
I think we should use all the words we've got"
- Spencer Tracy explaining why he swore is
appropriate to deal with this new PC that you
shouldn't call someone who uses racist terminology
to denigrate others, a racist! B^p
An intelligent, rational human does not use racist insults like
mongrel to denigrate all anglo celts. Especially when our
common African ancestry means none are more or less
'racially pure'.. a concept only of use to those who wish to
divide humanity, as the Nazis did, by 'putting down' the 'mongrels'.
> And I guess I owe him an apology.
Have you called him a racist without good cause? tsk tsk..how
regrettable. I prefer to do so on the firm ground of his own racism.
I'm sure Ned will let you kiss his arse, ..if you can get Nev's
head and tongue out of it first.
> You get that Ned?
> aw crap, i'm gonna have to make this official, ain't i.
Why don't you start a new NG apologising to Ned for calling him
Neville Duguid
further response.
His ravings have all the coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a
squeaky door.
Like Dr Jekyll before him, Che's deterioration began with substance
abuse. In the end, the substance took complete possession of its
devotee, until it now torments and convulses what remains of his pickled
and fevered brain, inducing death throes too unsightly to dignify with
further description.
Let this be a warning to others obsessed with substances like petrol,
formaldahyde, zyklon-b. Such substances have long been known to take
over and animate in unnatural ways those who, like fasgnadh, find
themselves tempted to achieve gratification through misuse.
Su Solomon
He did you like a dogs dinner eh Nev?
fasgnadh
You should apologise for your lies in
Message-ID: <1g3v666.1rx7fu41uoton4N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>
Exposed and repudiated in my post
Message-ID: <bo5l10$3131$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>
If you were a decent true-blue, you would apologise and recant,
but you are a sputum bucket, and no one expects decency from you.
Never mind, all your fabrications have been demolished, and
you have abandoned the field! B^)
Ned Latham
spin and lunatic rant. Of this post, I've left just one small
part of it, with Nev's original text restored to show up the
dishonesty of the "response".
> Neville Duguid wrote:
----snip----
> > WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products,
>
> I cannot accept you beshirching the name of Slim Duty, a true
> gentleman and loved by millions of aussies, by comparing him
> to a 'product'!!
Just as well that's not what he did then, ay Guano? That might have
given you a conniption!
----snip----
> Why don't you piss off back to protecting paedophiles
> and criminal politicians and leave our true-blue champions alone!
Tch. Looks like those Voices in your head have got you running around in
circles again, Guano. Time you got back on your medication, freak.
The original he "responded" to reads:
> * WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products, but manufactured and
> * packaged by different companies. Both are as "Aussie" as each other,
> * although if "fasgnadh" hears someone claim one is imported he will
> * reflexively claim it is more "Aussie" than its locally produced
> * equivalent. But so what? The excuse for a man is obviously a nut case.
Hey Guano! Is it true that your shrink's having a nervous breakdown?
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had
> > > > nothing to do with his painting.
> > >
> > > What a cretin.
> > >
> > > These racists, not satisfied with claiming they can determine
> > > another persons culture, and define them as excluded, can only
> > > maintain their idiocy by claiming that painting has nothing
> > > to do with culture!
> >
> > Wrong again, moron. Namatjira's culture was Arunta.
>
> Who says?
Those who knew him. Also his own actions.
> You?
Yep. Even without the evidence of his actions I'd say it. I'll take
the word of a True Blue, or even a Lutheran missionary, over yours
any day.
> I say yours is Nazi.
You say many things that are denials of reality. Something to do
with your delusions, I expect.
> So what?
Indeed.
> He is clearly recognised as part of Australia's culture for his
> Australian bush paintings.
There are more cultures in Australia than True Blue. Arunta is one
of them, and Albert was an Arunta, not a True Blue. As late as 1955,
just four years before he died, he was went on walkabout.
Neville Duguid
He did it TO his dog's dinner, then gratuitously splattered my name on
top in a few places. (No doubt picked up that particular style of
self-expression at his art appreciation class).
If you think his ravings so wonderful, how come you never comment on
them directly yourself?
We already know the answer. It is one thing to recognize a regurgitated
dog's dinner, the normal reason being to give it as wide a berth as
possible, not to go raking through it.
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
>
> You should apologise for your lies in
> Message-ID: <1g3v666.1rx7fu41uoton4N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Exposed and repudiated in my post
> Message-ID: <bo5l10$3131$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>
In your dreams, you lying snake. Your so-called repudiation
is another of your attempts at misdirection. Revealed, FYI,
in message <slrnbqds8...@arthur.valhalla.oz>:
> * Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
> * in <bo5l10$3131$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>:
> * > Neville Duguid wrote:
> * > > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> * > > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> * > > > >
> * > > > > I suggested the girls might be just as likely
> * > > > > to receive help from whites as blacks during their epic treck,
> * > > >
> * > > > You never suggested that until after you were told it was in the
> * > > > film!
> * > > >
> * > > > Up till then you were one of those attacking the film as
> * > > > anti-white fella! Clearly you had not seen it! Have you seen
> * > > > it yet? It certainly is popular, and award winning.
> * > >
> * > > Troll. I gave my honest assessment of the film when I saw it not
> * > > long after it first came out in April last year AS YOU WELL KNOW,
> * > > since you ripped off my comments for your own derivative 'opinion'
> * > > two weeks later.
> * >
> * > Liar. See my post below of 19-Apr-2002, to which YOU responded
> * > the following day!
> *
> * Liar yourself. That response was a different message entirely:
> * message <1fayark.72yj021ny5lv4N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>, and
> * his text consisted entirely of:
> *
> * > * According to your alter-ego "Che Guava", politics is merely 'theatre'
> * > * in which lies are as valid as truth. So even if every word Bolt said
> * > * turned out to be untrue, what grounds would *you* have for complaining
> * > * about someone else using the same propaganda-generation techniques your
> * > * multiple fictional selves have been promoting in these forums?
> *
> * > > In the process of attributing all the opposite pov's to me
> * > > contrary to what I actually said, as is your usual practice.
> * >
> * > how could I misrepresent what you hadn't yet said! Stupid lying
> * > twonk!
> *
> * Stupid lying twonk yourself. Pointing to the wrong post won't get you
> * off the hook. Nev posted his impressions of the film in message
> * <1fb1kfx.trfpyv1q0lgj2N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au> of 2003/04/22,
> * and you misrepresented it and ripped it off in message
> * <9617651d.02050...@posting.google.com> of 2003/05/04.
> *
> * > > In case anyone actually cares, my initial uncontaminated impressions
> * > > of 'Rabbit Proof Fence' are in the newsgroup archive at
> * > > <news:1fb1kfx.trfpyv1q0lgj2N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au> 21-Apr-02 "Re
> * > > Rabbit proof-myths"
> * >
> * > Idiot, you posted on 20-Apr-02 a REPLY to my post of the 19th!
> *
> * Idiot yourself. That response was a different message entirely:
> * message <1fayark.72yj021ny5lv4N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>, and
> * his text consisted entirely of:
> *
> * > * According to your alter-ego "Che Guava", politics is merely 'theatre'
> * > * in which lies are as valid as truth. So even if every word Bolt said
> * > * turned out to be untrue, what grounds would *you* have for complaining
> * > * about someone else using the same propaganda-generation techniques your
> * > * multiple fictional selves have been promoting in these forums?
> *
> * > Does someone tie your socks for you? You really are a hopeless liar!
> *
> * Oh, look. Guano is projecting again.
> *
> * > > Che's blatant rip-off is in "Phillip Noyce demolishes Andrew Bolts
> * > > Rabbit proof-myths" 4-May-2003
> * >
> * > You are such a PATHETIC little lying shitpig!
> * >
> * > My post, which YOU responded to a day later,
> *
> * ... in <1fayark.72yj021ny5lv4N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>, in which
> * his text consisted entirely of:
> *
> * > * According to your alter-ego "Che Guava", politics is merely 'theatre'
> * > * in which lies are as valid as truth. So even if every word Bolt said
> * > * turned out to be untrue, what grounds would *you* have for complaining
> * > * about someone else using the same propaganda-generation techniques your
> * > * multiple fictional selves have been promoting in these forums?
> *
> * > was 19-April-02 [reproduced
> * > below]
> *
> * and is not the post Nev's referring to.
> *
> * ----regurgitated racist claptrap snipped----
> *
> * > > Notice the similarities?
> * >
> * > Between you and an arsehole?
> *
> * Between what Nev wrote on 2003/04/22
> * and what you wrote on 2003/05/04? Yep.
> *
> * Nev in message <1fb1kfx.trfpyv1q0lgj2N%nevi...@bigpond.net.au>
> * on 2002/04/22:
> *
> * > * Having said that, I found it to be relatively inoffensive and
> * > * quite reasonable entertainment, particularly for young people
> * > * able to relate to the girls' self-perceived need to escape what
> * > * they perceived as a bossy, stuffy and unworthy supervisorial
> * > * regime. The fact that the girls did not suffer any real brutality
> * > * shows that the filmmakers did not abandon truth in any serious
> * > * way in trying to pander to their audience's preconceptions. There
> * > * were plenty of incidents, which, 'reading between the lines' makes
> * > * it easy to see there was no fundamental enmity or overt hostility
> * > * between the white and black societies of that particular time
> * > * and place.
> *
> * You in message <9617651d.02050...@posting.google.com>
> * on 2002/05/04:
> *
> * > * White farmers are shown assisting them, giving them food and
> * > * clothing, and an aboriginal betrays one of them to the
> * > * authorities. It is thus not a simplistic propoganda film, but
> * > * a balanced and sensitive portrayal of the childrens
> * > * experiences that shows understanding of all the characters.
> * > * The Mission is not portrayed as brutal, but what most of them
> * > * were, well meaning but paternalistic, and frightening places
> * > * to children who didn't want to be there.
> *
> * And also, in that same post, is your misrepresentation of Nev's post:
> *
> * > * Why were ferdie, Diesel, Nev, Kaldis so quick to
> * > * accept one-sided lies and distortions about one of the
> * > * finest films to be made in Australia?
> *
> * ... etc.
> *
> * And then there's your misrepresentation of his position above:
> * "...you were one of those attacking the film".
> *
> * How do those statements fit with "I found it to be relatively
> * inoffensive and quite reasonable entertainment", you lying snake?
----snip----
> If you were a decent true-blue, you would apologise and recant,
> but you are a sputum bucket, and no one expects decency from you.
Now there's a perfect example of Guano accusing others with what
he should be saying to himself.
fasgnadh
news:3FA650...@zemail.com...
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> >
> > what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote is unworthy of
> > further response.
> >
Naturally Nev cannot respond to my words, he is so alien to
how aussies think and feel that he derides these sentiments;
"Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
Because Nev and his crony Ned have tried to argue that celebrities
like Slim, who had one of the largest state funerals ever seen in this
country,
packed with other celebrities, the aussie mainstream, and thousands of
ordinary aussies, cannot be considered as true-blues!?!??? 8^o
BULLSHIT!! say all the Fair Dinkum true-blue aussies!
Two deadshit maggots like Ned and Nev will never be able to besmirsch
the name of a genuine true-blue like Slim, a beloved celebrity for the
millions of mainstreams aussies who knew his music.
> > His ravings have all the coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a
> > squeaky door.
You cultural fascists, who try and appoint yourselves the sole arbiters
of who may be called true-blue are despised for despising Slim Dusty.
Like Albert Namatjira, blokes like Slim have contributed immesurably to
the richness of Aussie culture, and useless pricks like you just piss on
their graves!
Tell all the lies you want, I trust in decent aussies being able to see
that YOUR
WORDS condemn you, and the lies you tell have no foundation, but
are pure malice;
> > Like Dr Jekyll before him, Che's deterioration began with substance
> > abuse. In the end, the substance took complete possession of its
> > devotee, until it now torments and convulses what remains of his pickled
> > and fevered brain, inducing death throes too unsightly to dignify with
> > further description.
> >
# > > Everyone understand the issue? According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
# > > can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were 'Arunta!? B^p
# >
# > Except for one minor detail, neither Ned nor myself have ever made any
# > such claim.
#
# # From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
# # Subject: Re: How do you tell someone is a true-blue?
# # Newsgroups: aus.culture.true-blue, aus.history, aus.politics
# # Date: 2002-04-08 03:16:42 PST
# #
# # I've said similar about Albert Namatjira (not a True Blue because
# # he's an Arunta),
Neville Duiguid is a liar and a fraud.
> > Let this be a warning to others obsessed with substances like petrol,
> > formaldahyde, zyklon-b. Such substances have long been known to take
> > over and animate in unnatural ways those who, like fasgnadh, find
> > themselves tempted to achieve gratification through misuse.
>
>
> He did you like a dogs dinner eh Nev?
Nev always has a major hissy fit when he is confronted with
his irrationality.. the more he rants, the deeper his humiliation. ;-)
I find it incredible that Nev and Ned Latham would exclude someone
like Slim Dusty from the rolls of the true-blues because he was
a Mainstream performer and a celebrity!? 8^o
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
- Ned Latham
Of course Ned and Nev will claim this only applies to Black
celebrities who are popular with Mainstream Australia, but that
merely confirms their overt racism! B^p
Is any further proof needed that neither Nev nor Ned are true-blues?
Is there any Fair Dinkum aussie who would ever, in a pink fit,
agree that those two One Nation maggots have the right to pass
judgement on one of natures true gentlemen, the late, legendry Slim Dusty?
Pigs Arse!
The Official Aus.Culture.True-Blue FAQ;
http://geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/faq.html
The True-Blue Homestead;
http://geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/
The True-Blue Hall Of Fame;
http://www.geocities.com/trueblue_hall_of_fame/index.html
The Tuckerbox;
fasgnadh
> spin and lunatic rant. Of this post, I've left just one small
> part of it, with Nev's original text restored to show up the
> dishonesty of the "response".
The original, discussing true-blues Slim Dusty and Dorothea MacKeller,
which Nev compares to cereal products, reads;
> > > * It is universally recognised as Australian, a seminal influence
> > > * in the development of fair dinkum representation of the country
> > > * we all love.. as accurate in capturing the true-blue essence
> > > * of the country as Dorothea MacKellar's "I Love a Sunburnt country"
> > > * He was never a famous celebrity like Slim.. (Nev and Ned also demand
> > > * that celebrities are struck off the true-blue roll! 8^o )
> > >
> > * WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products, but manufactured and
> > * packaged by different companies. Both are as "Aussie" as each other,
> > * although if "fasgnadh" hears someone claim one is imported he will
> > * reflexively claim it is more "Aussie" than its locally produced
> > * equivalent. But so what? The excuse for a man is obviously a nut case.
>
The restored context shows the dishonesty of Neds snip and hide.
Here we clearly have Nev responding to a cultural discussion of
true-blue Icons Slim Dusty and Dorothea MaxKellar as cereal products! 8^p
Significantly, Nev does not even attempt to deny the central charge,
that he an Ned dismiss Slim and others from the true-blue roll because
they claim celebvrities are excluded! 8^o
Of course NEITHER of them can deny that because we have them on record
denouncing anyone who is mainstream or a celebrity, and claiming,
foolishly and erroneously, that being a celebrity or mainstream
like Slim Dusty or Mackellar, or Freeman, or Roberts, or ANY
WELL KNOWN AUSSIE trie-blue, disqualifies someone from being
a true-blue;
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
- Ned Latham, damning Slim Dusty just because he was the
greatest recording celebrity this nation has produced,
featured at teh Olympic games before a crowd measured
in the billions, and was buried with the largest state
funeral attemded by the entire spectrum of mainstream
Australia!
All that is left for Ned and Nev to do is
a) recant their nonsense and apologise to Namatjira and Freeman
or
b) explain why they are racists in only applying their pretexts
for exclusion to blacks.
Watch them squirm..
Ned will re-invent the common meaning of the English language,
Nev will squark like a plucked chook and kill file me, again
and both will bleat, abuse, slander, snip and run,
in feeble attempts to avoid the issue! B^D
http://www.alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxhoistw.html
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Petard.jpg
boom boom!
fasgnadh
> Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
> in <bo28fd$l2o$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> > > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > > > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had
> > > > > nothing to do with his painting.
> > > >
> > > > What a cretin.
> > > >
> > > > These racists, not satisfied with claiming they can determine
> > > > another persons culture, and define them as excluded, can only
> > > > maintain their idiocy by claiming that painting has nothing
> > > > to do with culture!
> > >
> > > Wrong again, moron. Namatjira's culture was Arunta.
> >
> > Who says?
>
> Those who knew him. Also his own actions.
Idiot! His chief cultural activity was painting, and
the Arunta never painted landscapes on canvas with perspective! B^D
You really are a philistine ignoramus when it comes to true-blue culture!
Tom Roberts did it to, and McCubbin.. So now all
Aussie painters of the bush are Arunta according to you! B^D
> > You?
>
> Yep. Even without the evidence of his actions I'd say it.
Oh but of course, you don't believe mainstream cultural figures,
like Banjo Paterson, Henry Lawson, or celebrities like Slim
Dusty, can be true-blue, as you told us;
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
- Ned Latham, damning mainstream celebrities like
Slim Dusty just because he was the greatest recording
artist this nation has produced, buried in a huge state funeral
loved by mainstream Aussies!
> I'll take the word of a True Blue,
except that you rule Slim out from being a true-blue,
because of your insane dog-in-the-manger insistance that
you alone, rather than the aussie mainstream, can define
who isn't a true-blue! B^p
Hey Ned, no one pays your opinion any attention!
Slim, one of nature's gentlemen and a genuine true-blue
had a huge sendoff, despite your ridiculous that celebrities
like him, loved by the mainstream, can't be true-blue.
> or even a Lutheran missionary, over yours
> any day.
>
> > I say yours is Nazi.
>
> You say many things
But I back it up, unlike you, with evidence of
your abuse based on Nazi concepts of 'racial purity'
# From: n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham)
# Newsgroups: aus.politics,aus.culture.true-blue,aus.flame
# Subject: Re: more lies by "f" the denier
# Message-ID: <slrnbnruj...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
# Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:31:06 GMT
#
# ----snip----
#
# > Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt.
#
# So you claim that you're a mongrel.
#
What does Ned mean by this derogatory term?
"a person not of pure race" - Ned Latham
>
> > He is clearly recognised as part of Australia's culture for his
> > Australian bush paintings.
>
> There are more cultures in Australia than True Blue.
Sure, Slim Dusty's Anglo culture is well represented, but you
never exclude whites, just blacks.
Christian cultural influences are also traditional,
Slim sang songs fronm the Christian Hymnal.
He sang country and western (American influence)
But like Albert, he took what was handed down to him,
and fused it into his own art, made something uniquely
Australian, and part of our true-blue culture.
You don't own it, you are not it's gatekeeper,
squark and flap your feathers all you wish, true-blue
aussies choose Slim and Albert, and reject YOU, you
stupid racist maggott!
> Arunta is one of them,
Anglo is another,
> and Albert was an Arunta,
Pauline was an Anglo
> not a True Blue.
In Paulines' case I agree, but not in the case of
the Anglo celts you describe as 'mongrels', people like
David Kirkpatrick, who capture our country in song, or
Namatjira, who capture it in paint.
Arunta's don't paint true-blue bush paintings, Albert did,
just like Slim dusty took Western music and his Anglo culture
and made something uniquely Australian.
> As late as 1955,
> just four years before he died, he was went on walkabout.
Slim dusty sang Anglo Christian hymns right up till the day he died,
he performed as a celebrity in front of a mainstream audience of over
a BILLION people at the olympics,
True-blues simply don't accept a do-nothing, know-nothing,
dog-in the-manger like you, who has never contributed anything to
true-blue culture, claiming the right to exclude Slim and Albert!
http://www.geocities.com/trueblue_hall_of_fame/index.html
B^)
So you can just bugger off.
>
> ----snip----
>
> Ned
Everyone does, there is so much of ned worth snipping ;-)
R.M. O'Donnell
> "Su Solomon" <su...@zemail.com> wrote in message
> news:3FA650...@zemail.com...
> > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > >
> > > what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote is unworthy
of
> > > further response.
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > squeaky door.
>
> You cultural fascists, who try and appoint yourselves the sole arbiters
> of who may be called true-blue are despised for despising Slim Dusty.
>
> Like Albert Namatjira, blokes like Slim have contributed immesurably to
> the richness of Aussie culture, and useless pricks like you just piss on
> their graves!
>
> > > abuse. In the end, the substance took complete possession of its
> > > devotee, until it now torments and convulses what remains of his
pickled
> > > and fevered brain, inducing death throes too unsightly to dignify with
> > > further description.
> > >
>
has lead to more extremely irrational behaviour than usual. Is it just a
drink or 10 too many or are you into seriously heavy traffic ?
Your own style of fascism is finally becoming too much for all of us decent
Aussies to put up with.
According to you a true-blue Aussie can only be what fagsnads demands & even
that changes a bit.
Ned & Nev appear to be Slim Dusty fans but you are accusing them of some
kind of anti-Slim Dusty-ism,,,,,, hmmmmm,,,,, I am getting tired of your
madness now.
Must go & get another stubbie in my town of Cup Day Drunks .
A Toast to your Ongoing Madness,
RMOD
R.M. O'Donnell
> Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
> in <bo5ldf$31be$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>:
>
> > but you are a sputum bucket, and no one expects decency from you.
>
> Now there's a perfect example of Guano accusing others with what
> he should be saying to himself.
>
> Ned
We all know he is a spittle drenched loon Ned, but surely this old film
review thread is long enough past not to worry about.
You are getting so bad fagsnads that I may have to be like your old mate
Marky & bring around my long range guns & offer you involuntary euthanasia.
Despite my disabilities I remain a fairly good shot.
Happy Cup Day old-kook
RMOD
R.M. O'Donnell
"fasgnadh/Che/Wicks" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com...
What was that all about old-kook ?
Aussie cereals are one reasonably dinki-di thing we have left.
You are obviously having a real rip-snorter today.
I will investigate the links below & see if they add any meaning to if all.
>
> http://www.alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxhoistw.html
>
> http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Petard.jpg
>
> boom boom!
Kook-kook-a-choo !
RMOD
fasgnadh
> "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com...
> > "Su Solomon" <su...@zemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3FA650...@zemail.com...
> > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote is unworthy
> of
> > > > further response.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
> >
> >
> > BULLSHIT!! say all the Fair Dinkum true-blue aussies!
> >
> >
Nev, Ned and Racist Moron, (all sides of the same coin ;-)
can only respond by forging my posts to make it look as
if *I* am denying the sentiments which in fact Neville Duguid
denies! There is no sign of the normal conventions indicating
text snipped to reverse it's meaning, as the real post shows below;
Here is the truth, one cannot 'debate' with those so
lacking in integrity as NEv Ned and R.M are, merely show them up;
fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote in message news:<db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>...
> "Su Solomon" <su...@zemail.com> wrote in message
> news:3FA650...@zemail.com...
> > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > >
> > > what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote is unworthy of
> > > further response.
> > >
>
> Naturally Nev cannot respond to my words, he is so alien to
> how aussies think and feel that he derides these sentiments;
>
> "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
>
That is the what my previous post said, and which
Neville Duguid dismissed as 'unworthy of further
response'
He, Ned Latham and their crony sockpuppet, Racist Moron,
regard Slim as 'unworthy' because he is loved by the aussie
mainstream and was a celebrity, selling over 100
albums, and watched by millions when he played
at the Olympic ceremonies!
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
- Ned Latham
Ned made their views explicit, and Nev and R.M. confrim it
by their actions attacking and fraudulently misrepresenting
those who claim Slim was a genuine true-blue
The difference between us true-blues and the Men Who Come
Behind, whining and sniping at the great man, even though
no true-blue would speak ill of the dead, could not be more clear!
> Because Nev and his crony Ned have tried to argue that celebrities
> like Slim, who had one of the largest state funerals ever seen in this
> country,
> packed with other celebrities, the aussie mainstream, and thousands of
> ordinary aussies, cannot be considered as true-blues!?!??? 8^o
>
> BULLSHIT!! say all the Fair Dinkum true-blue aussies!
>
> Two deadshit maggots like Ned and Nev will never be able to besmirsch
> the name of a genuine true-blue like Slim, a beloved celebrity for the
> millions of mainstreams aussies who knew his music.
>
> > > His ravings have all the coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a
> > > squeaky door.
>
> You cultural fascists, who try and appoint yourselves the sole arbiters
> of who may be called true-blue are despised for despising Slim Dusty.
>
> Like Albert Namatjira, blokes like Slim have contributed immesurably to
> the richness of Aussie culture, and useless pricks like you just piss on
> their graves!
>
> Tell all the lies you want, I trust in decent aussies being able to see
> that YOUR
> WORDS condemn you, and the lies you tell have no foundation, but
> are pure malice;
>
> > > Like Dr Jekyll before him, Che's deterioration began with substance
> > > abuse. In the end, the substance took complete possession of its
> > > devotee, until it now torments and convulses what remains of his pickled
> > > and fevered brain, inducing death throes too unsightly to dignify with
> > > further description.
> > >
>
fasgnadh
> "fasgnadh/Che/Wicks" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com...
> > n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham) wrote
> > > his usual snip, spin and lunatic rant.
>
> What was that all about old-kook ?
Don't ask me to explain Ned's usual snip, spin and lunatic rant!
Use your Mensa IQ! (snicker)
>
> Aussie cereals are one reasonably dinki-di thing we have left.
>
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!
Sanitarium WeetBix?
> You are obviously having a real rip-snorter today.
>
You don't seem able to understand even the simple things,
like Ned and Nev trying to use slim Dusty like they tried
to use aus.culture.true-blue for One Nation...
when clearly they claim he is not a true-blue, because they
have declared those who are admired by the mainstream,
or are clebrities, cannot be true-blue! I disagree,
you seem unable to even understand the issue clearly,
let alone have a view! B^p
I say "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
Neville says those views are "unworthy of further response."
Which is no suprise as Ned and Nev believe Slim is not a true-blue
because he's Mainstream and a celebrity, and the product of
what Ned calls 'impure race'! 8^p
All of those views, which I find abhorrent, were documented,
and then you snipped them and claimed Ned and Nev are fans
of Slim dusty.
They can't explain why they have recently adopted a pose of
liking him (all after my posts indicating how true-blues
felt upon his passing) when they have always maintained that
celebrities and Mainstream entertainers like Slim cannot be true-blue,
which is probably why have you to lie and forge for them!
You, having a MENSA IQ, take the assertions of those two
proven liars, despite the evidence of their blatant
self contradiction and their clear denigration of Slims
status according to genuine true-blues.. viz:
"Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies" -Me
Nevs response: "unworthy of further response."
Ned: "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
My response "Bullshit"
Your response, showing you to be no true-blue,
was to remove that context and make it look as if
*I* was saying Bullshit to my first statement, praising Slim,
and then for you to claim it is Nevs sentiment,
when he clearly dismissed it as 'unworthy'!
You are not capable of being more than one of their PHONie
stooges.
But the 'Mensa IQ' would have been funny, if Nev hadn't
already used it! B^D
See if your phenomenal intellect can actually follow what
they said and did, rather than what they now claim to believe
because we all note how they can't defend their lies,
and thats when you do your song and dance;-)
fasg...@yahoo.com (fasgnadh) wrote in message news:<db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>...
> n...@news.apex.net.au (Ned Latham) wrote
> > his usual snip,
> > spin and lunatic rant. Of this post, I've left just one small
> > part of it, with Nev's original text restored to show up the
> > dishonesty of the "response".
> ..
>
> The original, discussing true-blues Slim Dusty and Dorothea MacKeller,
> which Nev compares to cereal products, reads;
This isn't hard, dumbo, not even for you,
just read the passage and note that it talks
about aussie culture, not foreign owned
breakfast serials;
>
> > > > * It is universally recognised as Australian, a seminal influence
> > > > * in the development of fair dinkum representation of the country
> > > > * we all love.. as accurate in capturing the true-blue essence
> > > > * of the country as Dorothea MacKellar's "I Love a Sunburnt country"
> > > > * He was never a famous celebrity like Slim.. (Nev and Ned also demand
> > > > * that celebrities are struck off the true-blue roll! 8^o )
> > > >
Ned and Nev have never explained why they claim celebrities like Slim,
loved by mainstream aussies, can't in their stupid view, be true-blue;
You have seen the quote; "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
Why do they only openly espouse it against black true-blues?
Do you share their racist application of what seems, prima facie,
to be a pretext they use arbitrarily?
Do you even understand the point? B^D
Run along, lightweight, you role as a Ned clone is
clearer with every post
> > > * WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products, but manufactured and
> > > * packaged by different companies. Both are as "Aussie" as each other,
> > > * although if "fasgnadh" hears someone claim one is imported he will
> > > * reflexively claim it is more "Aussie" than its locally produced
> > > * equivalent. But so what? The excuse for a man is obviously a nut case.
> >
>
> The restored context shows the dishonesty of Neds snip and hide.
>
> Here we clearly have Nev responding to a cultural discussion of
> true-blue Icons Slim Dusty and Dorothea MaxKellar as cereal products! 8^p
>
So why does R.M. find Nevs comparison of Slim with a foreign owned
commercial product to be an indication that Nev is a Fan?
Clearly both are half-wits, or frauds, or both.
> Significantly, Nev does not even attempt to deny the central charge,
> that he an Ned dismiss Slim and others from the true-blue roll because
> they claim celebrities are excluded! 8^o
>
They just get R.M. to snip it so, like Pauline, they
can say "I'm innocent"
And R.M, that deep critical thinker compliantly agrees;
"They say they are, so they must be,
despite the clear contradictions!" B^D
> Of course NEITHER of them can deny that because we have them on record
> denouncing anyone who is mainstream or a celebrity, and claiming,
> foolishly and erroneously, that being a celebrity or mainstream
> like Slim Dusty or Mackellar, or Freeman, or Roberts, or ANY
> WELL KNOWN AUSSIE trie-blue, disqualifies someone from being
> a true-blue;
>
> "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> - Ned Latham, damning Slim Dusty just because he was the
> greatest recording celebrity this nation has produced,
> featured at teh Olympic games before a crowd measured
> in the billions, and was buried with the largest state
> funeral attemded by the entire spectrum of mainstream
> Australia!
>
>
> All that is left for Ned and Nev to do is
>
> a) recant their nonsense and apologise to Namatjira and Freeman
>
> or
>
> b) explain why they are racists in only applying their pretexts
> for exclusion to blacks.
>
>
> Watch them squirm..
>
> Ned will re-invent the common meaning of the English language,
> Nev will squark like a plucked chook and kill file me, again
>
> and both will bleat, abuse, slander, snip and run,
> in feeble attempts to avoid the issue! B^D
While their wind up toy creates this weeks diversion. B^)
fasgnadh
> "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com...
> > "Su Solomon" <su...@zemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3FA650...@zemail.com...
> > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote is unworthy of further response.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
I have asked Nev why he claims that is unworthy of response.
But the only answer seems to be that he and Ned cannot
admit Slim eas a celebrity with a mainstream following
because those teo little cultural fascists have declared
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
- Ned Latham
So they are trapped, they have to either admit they rejected
Albert Namatjira on a racist pretext (the truth)
or claim that Slim was unworthy because he was a celebrity
and mainstreamer.
Which, as I said, is utter nonsense, despite Racist
Moron O'donnell defending it!
> > BULLSHIT!! say all the Fair Dinkum true-blue aussies!
> >
> >
> > > > His ravings have all the coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a
> > > > squeaky door.
> >
> > You cultural fascists, who try and appoint yourselves the sole arbiters
> > of who may be called true-blue are despised for despising Slim Dusty.
> >
Ned and Nev are on record using their racist pretexts to EXCLUDE
true-blues, and now R.M. supports them.
I merely ask them difficult questions,
so their wind-up toy accuses ME of fascism! B^D
I feel like Bob Brown being called a Nazi for asking a
question in the house, by that Liberal toady Brandis,
who's party stagemanaged the whole Bush charade so that not
a single question could be put to the filthy foreign warmonger!
Who do the Townsville Taliban hate critical inquiry?
> > Like Albert Namatjira, blokes like Slim have contributed immesurably to
> > the richness of Aussie culture, and useless pricks like you just piss on
> > their graves!
> >
..
> Oh fagsnads/Che , I fear that having been given time off work on Cup Day
> has lead to more extremely irrational behaviour than usual.
Then they probably shouldn't have given you the time off,
as you clearly got pissed and destroyed your remaining pair of
synapses.
Who licks the toilet bowls clean when you are not on duty in the
doss-house?
> Is it just a drink or 10 too many
If you don't know how many you have had, you should stop,
while you are only incoherent, and becoming incontinent..
> or are you into seriously heavy traffic ?
I'm at home, you must have Delerium Tremors.
>
> Your own style of fascism is finally becoming too much for
> all of us decent Aussies to put up with.
Asking questions frightens you? And you with that huge IQ! B^D
> According to you a true-blue Aussie can only be what fagsnads demands & even
> that changes a bit.
Huh? You seem to have severe comprehension problems, probably due
to the excessive drinking you complain of!
My views on true-blue are NOT PRESCRIPTIVE, Ned and Nevs are;
"Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
or their racist one
" not a True Blue because he's an Arunta"
All of their pretexts, as even you can surely see, are
ONLY applied by them to blacks. Now what does that mean!?
I have merely asked why they claim Slim Dusty can't be true-blue
because he meets their criteria, twice, celebrity and mainstream
Three times if we consider his ethnicity, as they do with Albert. 8^o
Their claim that Arunta refers to 'culture' changes nothing,
so does Anglo! B^)
No point asking you to bring your phenomenal intellect to bear,
you are just their butt-plug! B^D
> Ned & Nev appear to be Slim Dusty fans
Any crook who says "I'm innocent" "appears to be!?" B^D
Piss off you gullible (partisan I reckon) simpleton!
We can date Nev's interest in Slim, when he saw
posts by us true-blues upon his death!
> but you are accusing them of some
> kind of anti-Slim Dusty-ism,,,,,,
No.. I am accusing them of something VERY specific,
Either they were racists using bogus pretexts to try
an exclude black celebrity painters but not white
celebrity singers, who both contribute to true-blue
culture.. or they mean it when they say Slim can't be a
true-blue, even though they will use his name just like they
used aus.culture.true-blue for thei political interests.
(racism)
> hmmmmm,,,,, I am getting tired of your
> madness now.
best you sleep it off, then, you don't contribute much at the best
of times.
>
> Must go & get another stubbie in my town of Cup Day Drunks .
Of course, slander against true-blues is of no real concern to you,
go climb back in your bottle...
Because Nev and his crony Ned have tried to argue that celebrities
like Slim, who had one of the largest state funerals ever seen in this
country,
packed with other celebrities, the aussie mainstream, and thousands of
ordinary aussies, cannot be considered as true-blues!?!??? 8^o
BULLSHIT!! say all the Fair Dinkum true-blue aussies!
Two deadshit maggots like Ned and Nev will never be able to besmirsch
the name of a genuine true-blue like Slim, a beloved celebrity for the
millions of mainstreams aussies who knew his music.
> > His ravings have all the coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a
> > squeaky door.
You cultural fascists, who try and appoint yourselves the sole arbiters
of who may be called true-blue are despised for despising Slim Dusty.
Like Albert Namatjira, blokes like Slim have contributed immesurably to
the richness of Aussie culture, and useless pricks like you just piss on
their graves!
Tell all the lies you want, I trust in decent aussies being able to see
that YOUR
WORDS condemn you, and the lies you tell have no foundation, but
are pure malice;
> > Like Dr Jekyll before him, Che's deterioration began with substance
> > abuse. In the end, the substance took complete possession of its
> > devotee, until it now torments and convulses what remains of his pickled
> > and fevered brain, inducing death throes too unsightly to dignify with
> > further description.
> >
# > > Everyone understand the issue? According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
Nyk
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
news:slrnbqblh...@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote
> in <db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>:
> > "Nyk" wrote:
>
> ----snip----
>
> > > As far as you being a white hating racist... pft.
>
> Then check out:
>
> Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"), forger and liar - 0006.
> Message-ID: <slrnbeigo...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
>
> Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") presents false evidence - 0002.
> Message-ID: <slrnbnpnf...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
>
> Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"), forger and liar - 0009.
> Message-Id: <slrnbnrv0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
>
> Particularly the last, which documents his attempt to make it
> appear that paedophilia is a strictly Anglo perversion.
>
this case i think he can use the same argumetn against you.
> ----snip----
>
> > > But I'm beginning to wonder about Ned.
> >
> > Everyone does eventually.
>
> Nope. Only people who assume too much.
>
> > His parents did,
> > then his doctors...
>
> Those two statements, obviously, are lies.
>
> > > Sure, he's verbal.
> >
> > but it's only grade level comprehension and logic.
>
> The posturing establishment flunky who was educated beyond his
> capacity to understand again tries to slag off someone for being
> less educated than himself.
>
> > > Sure, he's agressive.
> >
> > but it's obsessive robo-posting spammed across usenet.
>
> Translation: well-organized evidence of Guano's obsessive and abusive
> trolling.
>
I think your as guilty as each other on that count.
> > > Sure, he's an arsehole.
> >
> > But you have only listed his best features!
>
(snip another slanging match)
>
>
> ----snip----
>
> > > He believes in Race, thats all.
> >
> > A Spiritualist believes in Spirits
> >
> > A Racist believes in Race.
>
> Guano again demonstrates his inability with logic by stating truisms
> that are the converses of what he wants the reader to believe.
>
> He wants the reader to believe, from those truisms, that belief in
> spirits is spiritualism and belief in race is racism, But those
> converses are not true, just as the converse of the truism "a sexist
> believes in sex" is "belief in sex is sexism", which isn't true.
>
On this I kinda agree. I think to be a racist, you need to do more than
believe in race, you need to make value judgements along race lines.
Something that enfeeblement constantly does, and tries to prove, with his
whole "Blacks are genetically inferior criminals" rants. Ack White Sheet!
For example. I could say that I am Fattist (obesecist) as I make flippant
negative value judgements on fat people. We all have our prejudices.
But telling blonde jokes doesn't automatically make you "Blondist"
We should never let PC get in the way of a good laugh.
>
> ----snip----
>
> > Why don't you start a new NG apologising to Ned for calling him
> > a racist, just because he calls you a mongrel... you could call it
> > aus.forelock.tugger or perhaps aus.political.correctoid. ;-)
>
> Well, there you go, Nyk. You express uncertainty over one of
> the accusations that've been levelled against me and Guano goes
> ballistic. Have you ever in your life seen a more hysterical
> reaction to a little soul-searching?
>
I don't think that's ballistic, he's just a big tease. see the wink?
I might prefer aus.foreleg.humper or perhaps aus:political.haemorrhoid.
Soul-searching... where'd I put that thing....
fasgnadh
...
> > >
> > > A Spiritualist believes in Spirits
> > >
> > > A Racist believes in Race.
> >
> > Guano again demonstrates his inability with logic by stating truisms
> > that are the converses of what he wants the reader to believe.
> >
Ned just admitted my comments are truisms. They are certainly
logical, so the only way he can attack something patently
TRUE and LOGICAL is for him to SPECULATE on something as
tenuous as HIS opinion of what I might want others to believe!
That is neither logical or true, and will only be convincing
to other racists, irrational partisans and intellectual lightweights.
As is usual in these exhanges, I deal in the facts, and Ned
presents his distorted and nonsensical speculations.
Only a fool treats them both as equally worthy.. I think
one may be due at any moment; ;-)
> > He wants the reader to believe, from those truisms, that belief in
> > spirits is spiritualism and belief in race is racism,
Ned, I SAY what i mean, unlike you, who INVENTS what he
wants others to mean! B^D
You lack integrity, and intellectual rigor, but no doubt
you win an audience among the weak minded.
Continue demolishing YOUR invention, strawman;
> > But those
> > converses are not true, just as the converse of the truism "a sexist
> > believes in sex" is "belief in sex is sexism", which isn't true.
> >
> On this I kinda agree.
Wow, Two mindreaders in the one NG! B^D
If you borrow Nev's tinfoil hat, you need never respond to
what others say ever again! You just 'interpret' what they
'really meant' without reference to what they 'actually said'! B^D
> I think to be a racist, you need to do more than
> believe in race, you need to make value judgements along race lines.
So... a racist uses the concept of race to denigrate, even in
situations where race is not at issue... like this;
# Fasgnadh: "Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt." ?
#
# Ned avoids the question, and, as usual merely spits racist abuse:
#
# "So you claim that you're a mongrel"
Why does Ned respond to a question about the idiocy of racists by
using racist abuse aimed to denigrate Anglo's and Celts as 'mongrels'
instead of rational response and debate?
Ned admits he is using a racist term meaning
"a person not of pure race"?
"Not of a pure race"? Who talks like that outside
of the Aryan Broederbund? B^p
There was no discussion of 'race' till Ned introduced it
abusively, inappropriately, to denigrate Anglos and Celts.
I eagerly await Ned's demonstration that Anglo and Celt
are 'races', or you explanation of why anyone but a racist
uses racist epithets in inappropriate contexts solely
for the purpose of abuse and denigration.
> Something that enfeeblement constantly does, and tries to prove, with his
> whole "Blacks are genetically inferior criminals" rants.
Everytime I attack the overt racists liek Enfeeblement and Mosley,
the sly racists, Ned and Nev, attack me.
> Ack White Sheet!
> For example. I could say that I am Fattist (obesecist) as I make flippant
> negative value judgements on fat people.
You really don't seem to have grasped the issue, to compare
racism to fattism.
People can ACT to effect their obesity, discrimination
against behaviour has nothing to do with the odious
prejudice against people for something they have no control
over, and is as trivial and inconsequential as them being black,
or Anglo-celt.
Now you can play cute and innocent, but it's plain as day
that Ned and Nev's argument that Namatjira and Cathy freeman can't
be true-blue because they are 'celebrities' and 'mainstream'
either applies to Slim Dusty, os is pure prejudice.
> We all have our prejudices.
> But telling blonde jokes doesn't automatically make you "Blondist"
> We should never let PC get in the way of a good laugh.
Their racist opposition, applied only to celebrity BLACKS is no
fucking joke, but you are, if you pretend it is.
---------------------------------------
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> > "fasgnadh" aka "Che Guava" wrote:
> > >
> > > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND true-blue,
>
> Everyone understand the issue?
Guano's racist fanaticism vs fact.
> According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
> can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were !runta!?
Try to get it into your pointy little head, Guano. Namatjira can't be
culturally a Gypsy, a Han, a Hellene, a Maori or a True Blue because
he's culturally an Arunta.
Moron.
----snip----
> A few little tips, a) cultural change is possible.
Cultural adherence is also possible. Namatjira adhered to his. He was
initiated into his skin group (Kngwarriya) at 13, and went on walkabout
with them all his life. The last occasion was in 1955, only four years
before he died, and many decades after his European-style painting had
matured.
----snip----
Ned Latham
> Neville Duguid wrote:
> > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > > > "fasgnadh" aka "Che Guava" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND
> > > > > true-blue,
> > >
> > > can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were 'Arunta!?
> >
> > Except for one minor detail, neither Ned nor myself have ever made
>
> # From: Ned Latham (nen...@news.apex.met.au)
> # Subject: Re: How do you tell someone is a true-blue?
> # Newsgroups: aus.culture.true-blue, aus.history, aus.politics
> # Date: 2002-04-08 03:16:42 PST
> #
Nohing about "true blue aussie" there.
True Blue, n. Cultural descriptor.
Arunta, n. Cultural and Tribal descriptor.
QED.
Ned Latham
----snip----
> "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> - Ned Latham, damning Slim Dusty just because he was the
> greatest recording celebrity this nation has produced!
Liar.
1. I've made that statement only once, and it was about Cathy Freeman,
not Slim Dusty;
2. It's not damning.
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> > > > > Neville Duguid wrote:
> > > > > > "fasgnadh" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Namitjira's culture was his culture, whatever it was. It had
> > > > > > nothing to do with his painting.
> > > > >
> > > > > What a cretin.
> > > > >
> > > > > These racists, not satisfied with claiming they can determine
> > > > > another persons culture, and define them as excluded, can only
> > > > > maintain their idiocy by claiming that painting has nothing
> > > > > to do with culture!
> > > >
> > > > Wrong again, moron. Namatjira's culture was Arunta.
> > >
> > > Who says?
> >
> > Those who knew him. Also his own actions.
>
> Idiot! His chief cultural activity was painting,
... which is not a cultural activity identified with True Blue.
Moreover, his chief cultural activities (note the plural, you lying
skank), were Arunta. He *lived* Arunta.
----snip----
> > > You?
> >
> > Yep. Even without the evidence of his actions I'd say it. I'll take
> * the word of a True Blue, or even a Lutheran missionary, over yours
> * any day.
>
> Oh but of course, you don't believe mainstream cultural figures,
> like Banjo Paterson, Henry Lawson, or celebrities like Slim
> Dusty, can be true-blue,
Wrong again, liar.
> as you told us;
>
> "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> - Ned Latham, damning mainstream celebrities like
> Slim Dusty just because he was the greatest recording
> artist this nation has produced, buried in a huge state funeral
> loved by mainstream Aussies!
Liar. The only thing I've said about Slim Dusty is that he was the first
artist I ever asked for on a radio request programme.
----snip----
> > There are more cultures in Australia than True Blue.
> > Arunta is one of them,
> > and Albert was an Arunta,
> > not a True Blue.
>
> Sure, Slim Dusty's Anglo culture is well represented, but you
> never exclude whites, just blacks.
Wrong again, liar. The True Blue Hall of Fame, "exclusions" from
which you derive this bullshit of yours, was intended as a forum
for recording otherwise unknown True Blues, not celebrities (and
certainly not members of other cultures). And on the strength of
that intention, I have spoken against so memorialising celebrities
of all kinds, including, for example, Weary Dunlop.
Gee. Look. A white.
Because you're so ignorant of True Blue that the only people you
could think of to nominate were celebrities, except your uncle Len,
I have opposed every one of your nominations, except your uncle Len,
whose nomination you, in your ignorance, have never justified.
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> > >
> > > If you were a decent true-blue, you would apologise and recant,
> > > but you are a sputum bucket, and no one expects decency from you.
> >
> > Now there's a perfect example of Guano accusing others with what
> > he should be saying to himself.
>
> review thread is long enough past not to worry about.
He's helping me develop a public database of his insane behaviours. It
would be remiss of me to ignore such helpfulness.
----snip----
Ned Latham
----snip----
> Because Nev and his crony Ned have tried to argue that celebrities
> like Slim, who had one of the largest state funerals ever seen in this
> country, packed with other celebrities, the aussie mainstream, and
> thousands of ordinary aussies, cannot be considered as true-blues!?!???
>
> BULLSHIT!!
Of course it is. So why do you say it?
Oh, that's right: you're a pathological liar and a ranting lunatic.
Ned Latham
in <db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>:
----snip----
> I find it incredible that Nev and Ned Latham would exclude someone
> like Slim Dusty from the rolls of the true-blues because he was
> a Mainstream performer and a celebrity!?
Just as well neither of us did that, ay Guano? Given your hysterical
screeching over your fevered little imagination's output, what could
be expected if either of us *had* done such a thing?
> "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> - Ned Latham
Good reasons for not putting someone into a website intended to record
otherwise unknown True Blues, wouldn't you say?
Ned Latham
spin and lunatic rant. Of that post, I've left just one small
part, with Nev's original text restored to show up the
dishonesty of the "response".
----snip----
> > WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products,
>
> I cannot accept you beshirching the name of Slim Duty, a true
> gentleman and loved by millions of aussies, by comparing him
> to a 'product'!!
Just as well that's not what he did then, ay Guano? That might have
given you a conniption!
----snip----
> Why don't you piss off back to protecting paedophiles
> and criminal politicians and leave our true-blue champions alone!
Tch. Looks like those Voices in your head have got you running around in
circles again, Guano. Time you got back on your medication, freak.
The original he "responded" to reads:
> * WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products, but manufactured and
> * packaged by different companies. Both are as "Aussie" as each other,
> * although if "fasgnadh" hears someone claim one is imported he will
> * reflexively claim it is more "Aussie" than its locally produced
> * equivalent. But so what? The excuse for a man is obviously a nut case.
Hey Guano! Is it true that your shrink's having a nervous breakdown?
Ned Latham
----snip----
> You don't seem able to understand even the simple things,
> like Ned and Nev trying to use slim Dusty
... "Nev" and "Ned" being the names of two of the Voices in Guano's head.
----snip----
Messages <bo4sug$2fng$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au> and
<1g3v2qy.4wvl6484xibwN%nevi...@bigpond.net.au> are the
source of this section of Guano's rant.
> I say "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
... along with 193 lines of abuse, misrepresentation and lunatic ranting.
> Neville says those views are "unworthy of further response."
What he said was 'what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote is unworthy of further response. His ravings have all the
coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a squeaky door'.
That, of course (and as any sane person would know), refers to the
post as a whole, not to Guano's carefully selected extract from it.
> Which is no suprise as Ned and Nev believe Slim is not a true-blue
No-one in Usenet is interested in what your Voices tell you, Guano.
----snip----
Ned Latham
in <db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>:
----snip----
> He, Ned Latham and their crony sockpuppet, Racist Moron,
> regard Slim as 'unworthy' because he is loved by the aussie
> mainstream and was a celebrity,
Wrong again, you moronic lying toad. No-one is "unworthy" for
those reasons.
> selling over 100
> albums,
Trust an establishment flunky to admire Slim for all the wrong
reasons.
> and watched by millions when he played
> at the Olympic ceremonies!
So was Howard when he spoke. You gonna give us one of your hysterical
rants on *his* behalf?
> "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> - Ned Latham
Said about Cathy Freeman, not Slim Dusty.
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> > > "Nyk" wrote:
> >
> > ----snip----
> >
> > > > As far as you being a white hating racist... pft.
> >
> > Then check out:
> >
> > Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"), forger and liar - 0006.
> > Message-ID: <slrnbeigo...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
> >
> > Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh") presents false evidence - 0002.
> > Message-ID: <slrnbnpnf...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
> >
> > Subject: Peter Wicks ("fasgnadh"), forger and liar - 0009.
> > Message-Id: <slrnbnrv0...@arthur.valhalla.oz>
> >
> > Particularly the last, which documents his attempt to make it
> > appear that paedophilia is a strictly Anglo perversion.
>
> If you accuse Fasgnadh of sometimes taking your humour seriously then
> in this case i think he can use the same argumetn against you.
Yair, yair. And you think pigs can fly too, right?
> > > > Sure, he's agressive.
> > >
> > > but it's obsessive robo-posting spammed across usenet.
> >
> > Translation: well-organized evidence of Guano's obsessive and abusive
> > trolling.
>
> I think your as guilty as each other on that count.
If that's your genuine opinion, you *don't* think.
> > > > Sure, he's an arsehole.
> > >
> > > But you have only listed his best features!
>
> (snip another slanging match)
You call what you snipped "slanging match" and snip it on that account,
but leave Guano's "best features" crack in place? You're a hypocrite.
----snip----
> > > Why don't you start a new NG apologising to Ned for calling him
> > > a racist, just because he calls you a mongrel... you could call it
> > > aus.forelock.tugger or perhaps aus.political.correctoid. ;-)
> >
> > Well, there you go, Nyk. You express uncertainty over one of
> > the accusations that've been levelled against me and Guano goes
> > ballistic. Have you ever in your life seen a more hysterical
> > reaction to a little soul-searching?
>
> I don't think that's ballistic, he's just a big tease.
You're an idiot. His whole post was an hysterical screech.
Ned Latham
in <db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>:
> "Nyk" wrote:
> * > Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
(Attributions restored.)
> ...
>
> > > > A Spiritualist believes in Spirits
> > > >
> > > > A Racist believes in Race.
> > >
> > > Guano again demonstrates his inability with logic by stating truisms
> > > that are the converses of what he wants the reader to believe.
>
> Ned just admitted my comments are truisms.
Wrong again, liar. I *asserted* it: *only* of those two comments of
yours above.
> They are certainly
> logical,
Bullshit. They're truisms because they're redundencies.
----snip----
> > > He wants the reader to believe, from those truisms, that belief in
> > > spirits is spiritualism and belief in race is racism,
>
> Ned, I SAY what i mean, unlike you, who INVENTS what he
> wants others to mean!
So you *don't* want the reader to believe the converses?
I disbelieve you, liar. You've only adopted that spin because your
slimy little ploy was brung undone.
----snip----
> > I think to be a racist, you need to do more than
> > believe in race, you need to make value judgements along race lines.
>
> So... a racist uses the concept of race to denigrate, even in
> situations where race is not at issue... like this;
>
> # Fasgnadh: "Why you morons think someone can't be Anglo AND Celt." ?
> #
> # Ned avoids the question, and, as usual merely spits racist abuse:
> #
> # "So you claim that you're a mongrel"
Jeez, what a crybaby: *still* sooking over being ridiculed with a little
play on the word.
If you can't take it, nancy boy, don't dish it out.
fasgnadh
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
...
> > "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> > - Ned Latham
>
> Said about Cathy Freeman, not Slim Dusty.
>
Because you are a racist.
Slim is mainstream, and a celebrity, just like Cathy,
how come you only use it as a pretext to exclude blacks?
fasgnadh
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
> fasgnadh wrote
> in <db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>:
>
> ----snip----
>
> > I say "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
..
> > Neville says those views are "unworthy of further response."
>
> What he said was 'what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com>
> wrote is unworthy of further response.
And what I wrote, and he called unworthy of further response was;
"Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
We know why, because you and Nev have stated that celebrities
like the late Slim are not true-blue.
I don't understand your prejudice, apart from your jealousy of
successful people, and those loved by the aussie mainstream,
and you are incapable of explaining you bigotry, but it seems
clear you only apply your pretexts for exclusion to blacks.
Which decent people call racism.
> His ravings have all the
> coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a squeaky door'.
>
It's a simple clear and logical issue.. you are the one dancing round it,
squawking incoherently, and sputtering pointless ad hom.
fasgnadh
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
>
..
> "fasgnadh", wrote
> ----snip----
Lets see the context you snipped, so we know WHAT NEV
WAS REPLYING TO, EH?
The original, discussing true-blues Slim Dusty and Dorothea MacKeller,
which Nev compares to cereal products, reads;
> > > > It is universally recognised as Australian, a seminal influence
> > > > in the development of fair dinkum representation of the country
> > > > we all love.. as accurate in capturing the true-blue essence
> > > > of the country as Dorothea MacKellar's "I Love a Sunburnt country"
> > > > He was never a famous celebrity like Slim.. (Nev and Ned also demand
> > > > that celebrities are struck off the true-blue roll! 8^o )
> > >
> > > WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products,
> >
> > I cannot accept you beshirching the name of Slim Duty, a true
> > gentleman and loved by millions of aussies, by comparing him
> > to a 'product'!!
>
> Just as well that's not what he did then, ay Guano? That might have
> given you a conniption!
learn to read rather than trying to snip and deceive.
We know you have to speak for the poor weak, defeated loser,
he is too witless and dishonest to speak for himself without having
his lies easily exposed B^D
Nev the Killfile Yo Yo, too gutless and dishonest to be true-blue!
He only killfiles you when he can't answer questions,
has been caught out lying again, and can't rebut a rational
argument! B^p In other words, it's a gutless tactic in
which the coward has a little hissy spit, then tucks his
frock in his panties and RUNS FOR HIS LIFE! B^D
He's not a true-blue, he's a boo-hoo ;-)
"You put your killfile in
You take your killfile out
you do a little bleating
and retreat in TOTAL ROUT!"
fasgnadh
"Ned Latham" <n...@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
...
>
> > According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
>
> Try to get it into your pointy little head, Guano. Namatjira can't be
> culturally a Gypsy, a Han, a Hellene, a Maori or a True Blue because
> he's culturally an Arunta.
So this is an Arunta house, and anyone who lives in a bush dwelling
like this can't be a true-blue?
www.lpe.nt.gov.au/heritage/register/anh/images/anh.jpg
Gee Ned, nearly 50 years after he was granted Citizenship, and some
Whities are still trying to keep him out, eh?
Here's Albert wearing his typical Arunta Headress.. Oh MY GHOD
NED.. SLIM WORE ONE JUST LIKE IT!!!!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/central/stories/s597709.htm
Anyone here play Cricket? Anyone who plays that Anglo game
is participating in Anglo culture, and according to Ned, you can't do that
AND be a True Blue! B^D
>
> Cultural adherence is also possible. Namatjira adhered to his.
I hear you speak English Ned? The English speak English, surely
you can't be culturally English AND True Blue! B^p
> He was initiated into his skin group (Kngwarriya) at 13,
OH MY GHOD! Anyone who has been baptised in the Anglican
Church culture is excommunicated from True-Blue-dom by Cardinal NEd!
I guess your Roman Catholics and Jews will also be put by Ned the
cultural Nazi over with the Gypsies.. after all, his concept of True-Blue
is to IGNORE your real participation in aussie culture, and judge you
on your ETHNICITY! B^p
>and went on walkabout with them all his life.
Oh no.. any early Aussie explorer, or current bushwalker, even
Les Hiddens who learnt bushcraft for the Army on walkabout..
is now EXCLUDED by Ned from being True-Blue!
You are desk jockey in Canberra, aren't you Ned! B^D
Thanks for sharing with us your delightfully idisyncratic view that the LESS
time one spends in the bush, the MORE True-Blue you become! B^D
> The last occasion was in 1955, only four years
> before he died, and many decades after his European-style painting had
> matured.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAA!
Your Anglo settler culture painted the bush in in the colours of the
English countryside.. they couldn't paint a gum tree without making
it look like an Oak! B^D
And here's an Arunta view of the bush.. careful.... if you think this
is how the bush looks, you might be an Arunta!
http://www.eps.vic.edu.au/history/Albert%20Namatjira.htm
But, in Ned's view, any bloke who maintains kinship ties, and
wanders in the bush to paint it, can't be true-blue. pfffft!
You really are a petty, mean-minded bigot, and a disgrace.
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> * Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> * > Neville Duguid wrote:
> * > > "fasgnadh" aka "Che Guava" wrote:
> * > > >
> * > > > Nev and Ned just actively denied someone can be Arunta AND
> * > > > true-blue,
> * >
> * > Everyone understand the issue?
> *
> * Guano's racist fanaticism vs fact.
> >
> > > According to Nev and Ned, Namatjira
> > > can't be a true-blue aussie because his ancestors were Arunta!?
> >
> > Try to get it into your pointy little head, Guano. Namatjira can't be
> > culturally a Gypsy, a Han, a Hellene, a Maori or a True Blue because
> > he's culturally an Arunta.
>
> So this is an Arunta house, and anyone who lives in a bush dwelling
> like this can't be a true-blue?
So according to you, if an aborigine sets foot in a house he is no longer
permitted to self-identify as an aborigine?
Fuck off, fascist.
Ned Latham
in <bo4sug$2fng$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au>, his usual snip,
spin and lunatic rant. Of that post, I've left just one small
part, with Nev's original text restored to show up the
dishonesty of the "response".
> Neville Duguid wrote:
----snip----
> > WeetBix and VitaBrits are similar products,
>
> I cannot accept you beshirching the name of Slim Duty, a true
> gentleman and loved by millions of aussies, by comparing him
> to a 'product'!!
Just as well that's not what he did then, ay Guano? That might have
given you a conniption!
----snip----
Ned Latham
in <db64d59.03110...@posting.google.com>:
----snip----
> You don't seem able to understand even the simple things,
> like Ned and Nev trying to use slim Dusty
... "Nev" and "Ned" being the names of two of the Voices in Guano's head.
----snip----
Messages <bo4sug$2fng$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au> and
<1g3v2qy.4wvl6484xibwN%nevi...@bigpond.net.au> are the
source of this section of Guano's rant.
> I say "Slim Duty, a true gentleman and loved by millions of aussies"
... along with 193 lines of abuse, misrepresentation and lunatic ranting.
> Neville says those views are "unworthy of further response."
What he said was 'what fasgnadh aka "Che Guava" <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote is unworthy of further response. His ravings have all the
coherence of a demented drunk arguing with a squeaky door'.
That, of course (and as any sane person would know), refers to the
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote;
> * Peter Wicks (aka "Che Guava"), posting as "fasgnadh", wrote:
> *
> * ----snip----
> *
> * > He, Ned Latham and their crony sockpuppet, Racist Moron,
> * > regard Slim as 'unworthy' because he is loved by the aussie
> * > mainstream and was a celebrity,
> *
> * Wrong again, you moronic lying toad. No-one is "unworthy" for
> * those reasons.
> *
> * > selling over 100
> * > albums,
> *
> * Trust an establishment flunky to admire Slim for all the wrong
> * reasons.
> *
> * > and watched by millions when he played
> * > at the Olympic ceremonies!
> *
> * So was Howard when he spoke. You gonna give us one of your hysterical
> * rants on *his* behalf?
> *
> > > "Mainstream, not True Blue. Also a celebrity."
> > > - Ned Latham
> >
> > Said about Cathy Freeman, not Slim Dusty.
>
> Because you are a racist.
Do feel free to dispute my demolition of your attempt to justify calling
me that, if you can. Message <slrnbnkaf...@arthur.valhalla.oz> is
still waiting, loser...
> Slim is mainstream,
He *was*, when True Blue was the mainstream culture.
> and a celebrity, just like Cathy,
Nothing like Cathy.
> how come you only use it as a pretext to exclude blacks?
Such as Weary Dunlop? Time you got back in touch with reality, freak.
R Kym Horsell
> Kym Horsell wrote in <3f9f...@news.latrobe.edu.au>:
[fails to answer prev questions]
> > Cruel Parody:
> "False and idiotic analogy", actually.
> > Non-Theorem:
> > Constellations of stars are real and scientifically based.
> Try instead: "classification of stars is real and scientifically based".
You can't prove a negative with a single case.
In any case, the classification of stars into "types" is a
purely arbitrary thing -- like "races".
An alien civilization will probably not "see" the same number
of classes as the common schemes have it, or name the major
ones "G", "O", "A", etc, even if they recognise a H-R diagram.
Sorry, Neddly, the grouping of disparate factors is an
arbitrary thing. It falls under the same theoretical
considerations as things covered by "Arrows Theorem" and like
in social sciences and economics.
> Idiot.
At least you keep your sig line short.
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Kym Horsell wrote:
>
> [fails to answer prev questions]
Wrong again, moron. Ignored it.
> > > Cruel Parody:
> >
> > "False and idiotic analogy", actually.
> >
> > > Non-Theorem:
> > > Constellations of stars are real and scientifically based.
> >
> > Try instead: "classification of stars is real and scientifically based".
>
> You can't prove a negative with a single case.
Not proving a negative, moron. Giving you a valid analogy.
> In any case, the classification of stars into "types" is a
> purely arbitrary thing -- like "races".
Irrelevant, moron. It's real and it's scientifically based.
----snip----
> At least you keep your sig line short.
I do that out of consideration for idiots such as you.
k...@kymhorsell.com
> Not proving a negative, moron. Giving you a valid analogy.
An analogy of "it doesn't exist because of this analogy".
Pretty weak.
Face it, race, like the positions of the constellations or
the groupings into which we put them by colour, temperature or
chemistry, are all "social conventions".
To argue anything else just extends the argument that irrational
racicm is a mental defect. ;-)
>[...]
======================================
$ No I don't dislike people because of their race,
$ but because of how the race behaves,
-- Mosley Jones III <m...@here.com>, 26 Nov 2001
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> * "R Kym Horsell" wrote:
> * > Ned Latham wrote:
----snip----
> * > > > Cruel Parody:
> * > >
> * > > "False and idiotic analogy", actually.
> * > >
> * > > > Non-Theorem:
> * > > > Constellations of stars are real and scientifically based.
> * > >
> * > > Try instead: "classification of stars is real and scientifically
> * > > based".
> * >
> * > You can't prove a negative with a single case.
> *
> > Not proving a negative, moron. Giving you a valid analogy.
>
> An analogy of "it doesn't exist because of this analogy".
Wrong again, moron. An analogy of "classification of races is real
and scientifically based".
Your need to "argue" by snipping everything that contradicts your
idiotic position is, as you say...
> Pretty weak.
>
> Face it, race, like the positions of the constellations or
> the groupings into which we put them by colour, temperature or
> chemistry, are all "social conventions".
Idiot. In saying that of star classification, you have effectively
asserted that *all* classification systems are "social conventions",
and thereby made "social convention" a non-criticism in your idiotic
campaign for a new flatearth dogma.
> To argue anything else just extends the argument that irrational
> racicm is a mental defect. ;-)
Wrong again, moron. If there are any "mental defects" in this they
underlie your lot's denials of reality.
k...@kymhorsell.com
[...]
Something about "I DOOD see a bunny wabbit in the clouds, because I
understand the scientific principles of evapouration".
Ned Latham
> Ned Latham wrote:
> * Kym Horsell wrote:
> * > * "R Kym Horsell" wrote:
> * > * > Ned Latham wrote:
> * > * > >
> * > * > > Try instead: "classification of stars is real and scientifically
> * > * >
> * > * > You can't prove a negative with a single case.
> * > > Not proving a negative, moron. Giving you a valid analogy.
> * > An analogy of "it doesn't exist because of this analogy".
> *
> * Wrong again, moron. An analogy of "classification of races is real
> * and scientifically based".
> *
> * Your need to "argue" by snipping everything that contradicts your
> * idiotic position is, as you say...
> * > Pretty weak.
> * >
> * > Face it, race, like the positions of the constellations or
> * > the groupings into which we put them by colour, temperature or
> * > chemistry, are all "social conventions".
> *
> * Idiot. In saying that of star classification, you have effectively
> * asserted that *all* classification systems are "social conventions",
> * and thereby made "social convention" a non-criticism in your idiotic
> * campaign for a new flatearth dogma.
> *
> * > To argue anything else just extends the argument that irrational
> * > racicm is a mental defect. ;-)
> *
> * Wrong again, moron. If there are any "mental defects" in this they
> * underlie your lot's denials of reality.
(Snipped text restored to show up the bigoted idiocy of the "response".)
> Something about "I DOOD see a bunny wabbit in the clouds, because I
> understand the scientific principles of evapouration".
Their denials of reality continue.